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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 2: It's a production of iHeartRadio. And there you are here.

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Speaker 2: I am Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Look at me.

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Speaker 2: I've been over here waiting for you for three hours?

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Speaker 2: Have you at a three minutes? I just walked in.

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Speaker 1: Felt a little bad.

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Speaker 2: I just walked in, Atio, So I got a question

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Speaker 2: for you. You're here, Yes, sir? Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, you do want to share with me?

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Speaker 1: Well. Research indicates seventy nine percent of shoppers are drawn

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Speaker 1: to themed products and sixty nine percent actively seek out

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Speaker 1: limited edition formats.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you this because I have a mashup. And

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Speaker 1: before I get into it, you want to blame someone,

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Speaker 1: Blame Simone Rodriguez.

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Speaker 2: Is that your other name? No?

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Speaker 1: She goes by Scorpio Crochet on Instagram. Very talented.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: She sent us a DM and said she'd never forwarded

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Speaker 1: something as fast as this. God and it had a

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Speaker 1: picture on this sort of meme and a picture sure

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Speaker 1: of this what I'm going to tell you about. Underneath

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Speaker 1: it it said toilet's gonna look like Chernobyl right after.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, buckle up, buttercup, I'm talking to you.

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Speaker 1: So have you ever watched that show Stranger.

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Speaker 2: Things the first season and I got bored.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've never seen it, but it's got like a

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Speaker 1: bald lady, bald little girl. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: think they're all old people now, yeah, they're all.

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Speaker 2: Grown up totally. They got to be going on for

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Speaker 2: like eighteen years something like that.

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Speaker 1: It's been a longer than SVU anyway. So they teamed

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Speaker 1: up with Doritos.

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Speaker 2: And toilet company teamed up the.

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Speaker 1: Toilet Stranger Things.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, I'm so on the Chernobyl toilet.

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Speaker 1: Toilet, toilet Duck and Doritos are back together. No toilet,

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Speaker 1: Doritos and Stranger Things. You know, I guess there's a

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Speaker 1: new season coming out or they're a rest home.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be the last one, right, I would pray.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I just like making these cracks

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Speaker 1: like I'm an insider. So they have like old school

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Speaker 1: looking bags of chips, like the old style Doritos, like

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Speaker 1: the or whatever. Yeah, so they're doing that. But then

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Speaker 1: they have something and apparently it looks to me like

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Speaker 1: it's only in the UK, which is a bummer because

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Speaker 1: I honestly would try this.

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Speaker 2: Maybe should travel there.

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Speaker 1: It's Dorito's black Garlic dip never had black garlic. I

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Speaker 1: have a friend who ferments garlic to make black garlic.

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Speaker 2: Of course you do, and yeah, of course you food.

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Speaker 1: It has a creamy texture, bold flavor profile, and charcoal

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Speaker 1: black color. It's you know, kind of for Halloween. Also

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Speaker 1: Rob Possier, he's the marketing director at to Rito's. You

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Speaker 1: can blame him. He said, the black garlic dip is

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Speaker 1: designed to elevate the snacking experience, perfectly pairing with our

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Speaker 1: chips for memorable moments. He sounds like's brother, you just

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Speaker 1: think about your elevating your snacking experience. You're just like

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Speaker 1: going to town on a bag of Dorito's by yourself,

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Speaker 1: light of television, sitting on the floor in your own filth,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, this is a memorable moment. This is

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Speaker 1: I'm showing you a picture. I'll have them put it

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. It doesn't so much look black. It looks

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Speaker 2: Qu construction product blue.

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Speaker 1: It changes hours, it doubles as it it's a new

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Speaker 2: Yes, it would glue.

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Speaker 1: From amalgamated Dorito's brands.

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Speaker 2: It looks horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. The end it's two pounds fifty in

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Speaker 1: the UK when it comes out, So all of my

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Speaker 1: UK pals out there try it. Let me know, I'll

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Speaker 1: be envious because I would kind of like to try

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Speaker 1: a black garlic dip. Sure, what if it's like Tom, you.

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Speaker 2: Know I love you do Love Tomb, Yeah, so it

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Speaker 2: could be equivalent, just.

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Speaker 1: So it's like black tomb. Yeah, ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll go with that stamp and ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Well, you got a second cause I got some mony

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Speaker 2: ridiculous for you.

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Speaker 1: I got all day.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay. There have been a few escape artists that

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Speaker 2: we've featured on this show, but I gotta say not

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Speaker 2: since PCP Super Spy Guy, have we had such an

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Speaker 2: epic chase, especially not one that devolves as many vehicles

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Speaker 2: four wheels. He's coming by land, he's coming by sea.

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Speaker 2: Because Elizabeth, he is this guy. He tried like a

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Speaker 2: hell to get away. He was like, cowgun, take me away.

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Speaker 2: It's a whole caper of escapes and it's certified ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: Hest and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, I'm gonna start howling all the time.

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Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Like a Howler. There you go. That's that would work,

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Speaker 2: like Howler monkey, no tail. So, Elizabeth, what do you

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Speaker 2: know about New England?

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Speaker 1: It is a new version of Old England. It's in

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Speaker 1: the United States.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's charming, upper right corner on the map. Well,

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Speaker 2: the state's there. They're very different from what we have

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Speaker 2: and for a Californian like you or ostensibly me, it

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Speaker 2: can be weird how small the states are. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: it's wild, Like you can be in Massachusetts and then

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Speaker 2: driving around it can feel wild, like we drive four

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally from here there, Yeah, but like four

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Speaker 2: all about to say, Elizabeth, please allow me to introduce

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Speaker 2: you to life in small town Vermont, specifically Walcott, Vermont.

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Speaker 2: That's where our story begins.

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Speaker 1: That they make Ben and Jerry's Yeah, that's okay, where

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Speaker 1: it is right there? Wait, Elbean, that's main.

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Speaker 2: That's main. Yeah, with the duck boots.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that Massachusetts. That's the Bay Colony.

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Speaker 1: I love a good fisherman sweater. I've been to Boston.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Is that New England, Massachusetts? Yes, it

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Speaker 2: is so. Walcott, Vermont was named for a signer of

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Speaker 2: there is General Oliver Walcott, Okay, Oliver, Yeah, Oliver Walcott,

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Speaker 1: Sixteen hundred, yes, small all right.

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Speaker 2: Now, just to be New England. Confusing an insular in

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Speaker 2: the town of Walcott, there's also the village of Walcott, oh,

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Speaker 1: It's like a Russian nesting dolls of Walcott pack.

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Speaker 2: And I know that it's a virtue to be parsimonious,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the new Gidea Center Walcott.

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Speaker 2: the small town is not exactly a prosperous place to live.

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Speaker 2: figure media income. It's thirty four thousand, seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense for a rural area.

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Speaker 2: Now add in the average income for a man in Walcott,

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Speaker 2: right off the bat, Elizabeth, do you know about the

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Speaker 2: poverty line in the US, and like how it's calculated.

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Speaker 2: It's not calculated by household income, which is what I

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Speaker 1: That is a year? You know, I want to say

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Speaker 1: it's something absolutely insanely low where you think there's no

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Speaker 2: You're close yours, You're spot on.

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five, for one person, the poverty line

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Speaker 1: It's in real life federal. It's across the IRL. It's

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Speaker 2: That, well one hundred percent. But that's for all of

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Speaker 2: that's federal, so it doesn't matter if you're in California

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Speaker 2: in your household, the poverty line is thirty two thousand,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars. I bring all this up

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Speaker 2: be because none of those are reasonable amounts to live on. No, like, no,

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Speaker 2: twenty six thousand dollars twenty six, six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: per month. That's before taxes are taken out. And then

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Speaker 2: have you seen the price of meat lately? I mean, no,

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Speaker 2: wonder Hamburger Helper is flying off the showw you know

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Speaker 2: I just did. Anyway, that's the backdrop for this story.

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Speaker 2: Hard times in rural America and the poverty that grips

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Speaker 2: the people in those regions, which is very real.

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Speaker 1: And there are rural areas in every state in the Union.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent, maybe one thousand percent. How big a

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Speaker 2: percent can I get out the President's way up there.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go that far, but thirteen thousand percent, So.

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Speaker 2: This is the backdrop that basically this was what motivates

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Speaker 2: today's anti hero the hard times in a rural America. Sure,

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Speaker 2: by the way, this story is something of a two parter,

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Speaker 2: so let's start with part A or part one. Now.

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Speaker 2: On December first, twenty twenty, our anti hero Eric Edson

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Speaker 2: saw an opportunity. There was this trailer parked behind a workshop.

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Speaker 2: Sitting on top of the trailer was a mini excavator

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Speaker 2: or as your nephew would say, excavator excavator. Now, along

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Speaker 2: with the excavator was also a DR Power wheelbarrow, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: in case you don't know what a DR Power wheelbarrow is,

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Speaker 2: I'm here to help. According to the dr website quote,

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Speaker 2: the pro Power wagon can haul up to seven hundred

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Speaker 2: pounds with ease, features a powerful electric starting engine, and

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Speaker 2: a modular cargo bed with removable end panel. So you

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Speaker 2: The bags of cement, they were like the icing on

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Speaker 2: I assume he's driving around, like hitting up different people

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Speaker 1: Listening to Madonnas this used to be my playground most likely.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be real, like, where are you going

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Speaker 1: The local consignment shop.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's very small town. There's not much town's over

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Speaker 2: So this thief he complies. He pulls over on the

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Speaker 2: trying to get away, right. Edson's taking side roads, He's

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Speaker 2: But he like he thinks he can ditch this small

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Speaker 1: For the blight.

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Speaker 2: Exactly probably most likely, I mean about it. So now

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Speaker 2: where should I go? He goes back into town. According

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Speaker 2: were successful. They catch up to Edson at this like

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Speaker 2: So at this point in the Lamielle County Superior Court,

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Speaker 2: that's reduced to seventeen months in prison. Wow. Now that

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Speaker 2: the dukes of hazard of meth. Now, next up we'll

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Speaker 2: get into his much wilder chase. It was so epic

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Speaker 2: even the Coastguard got involved.

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Speaker 1: What.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but first these messages and will be back in

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Speaker 2: a bit. We're back, Elizabeth. Hey, So now and he

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Speaker 2: right yeaheah. They don't act like we're from New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: It's much more like we're from Vermont.

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Speaker 2: The fun fact Burlington Cote Factory was founded by a librarian.

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Speaker 1: That's a beautiful story.

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Speaker 2: Not founded in Burlington, Vermont, as I've always assumed. So

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Speaker 2: turns out the answer is nothing. No, I can't, I can't. Burlington,

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Speaker 2: Vermont is a charmingtown. I've been through there numerous times.

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Speaker 2: That was in the nineteenth century. So that's the longer

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Speaker 1: All about Burlington Vermont?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Well, another great question, Elizabeth. I'm just you're coming

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Speaker 1: Oh is that what this is is? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Burlington is where Eric Edson, our Crimer the Day, is

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Speaker 2: escape artist. The story goes on August twenty fourth, twenty

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Speaker 2: Sierra Trading Post on five five five Shelbourne Road, come

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Speaker 1: We'll just put it back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, no, no, I got it in my hands,

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Speaker 2: I think he got out the door because, as the

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Speaker 2: trading post employee asked Edson to return the merchandise to

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Speaker 2: head off. Whoa, and partially pulled an item that appeared

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Speaker 2: apparently this employee thought to himself, I don't get paid

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Speaker 1: Well, he's pulling a gun out of the kangaroo pocket

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Speaker 1: in his hoodie. Exactly, No, were some outdoor gear.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to know the stolen goods, his

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Speaker 2: haul of merch it consisted of one a backpack, eleven shirts,

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Speaker 2: water jug o. Yeah, definitely not worth getting your head below.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Altogether, the stolen booty was valued at a grand total

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Speaker 2: of three hundred and seventy four dollars. Yeah. So once

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Speaker 2: the employee backs off at this point, Edson runs over

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Speaker 2: August thirtieth, twenty twenty three. Yeah, two officers from the

434
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 2: Burlington PD are called out to do a welfare check.

435
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 2: It seems someone has spotted this dude quote passed out

436
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 2: in a running vehicle. So now these two officers respond

437
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: to the call and they quickly locate the vehicle and

438
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,479
Speaker 2: the still passed out man. Officers step out of their

439
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: patrol car. They walk over to the vehicle and I

440
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: assend like I'm imagining the tapping night stick on the window.

441
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: Sure anyway, Oh, I forgot to mention the vehicle matched

442
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: the description of the car using the robbery at Sierra

443
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: Trading Post a week prior.

444
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh detail.

445
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so their officers have a reason to believe this

446
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 2: might be the same guy the robber who, as I

447
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: remind you, flashed what looked to be a gun. So

448
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: the Kausea cops approach. They're a little bit wary about

449
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: confronting the passed out man because he could wake up,

450
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 2: get scared, start blasting. However, since it is their job

451
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 2: to wake come up. They carefully rouse the man and

452
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 2: they check to see if he's still alive. Elizabeth, he

453
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 2: is still alive, very much alive, indeed. And when he

454
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: wakes up and there are two police officers staring down

455
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 2: at him through the window, he gets heated. No, and

456
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: I quote from the police, he became belligerent and uncoopered. So,

457
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 2: but that's not all. Apparently the man was no fan

458
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 2: of cops, so or perhaps he was worried that they

459
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: were there about the whole Sierra Trading Post incident. I

460
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: don't know what his motivation was, but what I do

461
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: know is this, since his car was already running and

462
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: he's now wide awake and in the driver's seat, there's

463
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: only one other thing he needs to do, which is

464
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 2: pressed down on that gas battle which is empty, right,

465
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: it's right there, So he puts it in gear and

466
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: he floors it. Problem was, the cops were apparently on

467
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: either side or somehow close enough to the car that,

468
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: as the police report states, quote, he fled at a

469
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: high rate of speed, assaulting both officers with the vehicle

470
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 2: and the process. So they go off their feet. And

471
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: I don't want you to worry about them. They were uninjured.

472
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: They just got knocked down, knocked back, eyes with how

473
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: I imagine it. Anyway, the cops raced back to their cruiser

474
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: and began to chase them in, but try as they might,

475
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: my old land pirate Eric Edson gets away His getaway

476
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: vehicles next spotted where he abandons it in a place

477
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: called the North Avenue Cooperative. Now I was thinking, oh,

478
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: this is Ramont North, I have a new cooperative. I

479
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: bet it's some like commune, like a bunch of like

480
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: aging hippies that are wrong. It was described in local

481
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: news as quote a manufactured home park in Burlington's New

482
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: North End. Okay, so I'm pretty sure that means like

483
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: in newspeak, a trailer park.

484
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: Trailer park.

485
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, the officers from Burlington PD attempt

486
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: to seize the abandoned vehicle, but while they're waiting for

487
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: the tow truck the cops they spot a man watching

488
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: them who's not too far away. He seems to me

489
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: watching them with intent. So, as you guessed it, it's

490
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: the purp Edson are police have Eric blocked his access

491
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: to what I assume is his stolen vehicle, so he

492
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: does the next best thing. He hooks it. He runs off,

493
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: but he doesn't run for very long because next thing

494
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, he steals a bicycle and he attempts to

495
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: get away on his new hot bike. Also, it seems

496
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: he may have still had the same firearm, because multiple

497
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 2: eyewitnesses later claimed to have seen him brandishing the handgun.

498
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: So he's on this hot bike waving a handgun around,

499
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: like get away from me or whatever. So he's riding

500
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: around a small town on a stolen bike waving a gun.

501
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: Doesn't take Edson long to do the math. He realizes

502
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: he's going to get caught, so he's like, how far

503
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: can I go fling on two wheels? I'm going to

504
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: need a new getaway vehicle. Yeah, Elizabeth, you want to

505
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: guess what he steals next?

506
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: I have no idea what he could be stealing.

507
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: For your first hint, Edson rides his stolen bike down

508
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: to a place called Apple Tree Bay. Once there, he

509
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 2: ditches the bike. He spots a much better getaway vehicle,

510
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: a sailboat.

511
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And he's like a sailboat, not even

512
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: like a craft.

513
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: No, No, that would be like makes too much sense.

514
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: He's like, I almost something I could live on. So

515
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: he's like time for this lampirate to take to the seas.

516
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: So that's exactly what he does. He steals the sailboat

517
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: and like Enya and the Orinoco Flow, he tries to

518
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: sail away, sail away Christopher Cross. Right. So the police

519
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: they can't just commandeer sailboats and they're like tarn it.

520
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: So then they do the next best thing. They contact

521
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: the coast guard. We're going to need you to bring

522
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: in somebody. And they're like, just name the boat, right, Yeah,

523
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 2: he's on a lady's pleasure. It's just come up. So

524
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: they asked the coast guard to catch this purp.

525
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: Right.

526
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't take the coast guard long to spot Edson

527
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: in his stolen sailboat. I don't know if he's like

528
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: just like like, you know, tacking incorrectly. When you run one.

529
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: Motor to get out, you know of like, uh, you

530
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: know a harbor, harbor, you.

531
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: Don't you don't go very fast, No you're not supposed to.

532
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: But it also just can't.

533
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: Then once you get out in the open seas, you

534
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: still don't go very fast.

535
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: Whole tail in a sailboat with the motor. Now, but

536
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: when the winds up and you get yeah, sure, get

537
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: some speed, but still you could be all America's cups

538
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: slicing through the water.

539
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: It's like a coast guard cutter.

540
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, forget about that. You know, game over.

541
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: So they intercept him on the open seas pretty quickly

542
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: and using their coast guard boat. I don't know if

543
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: it was a coast guard cutter, but it'll say a

544
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: coast guard boat. They forced Edson to turn back for land.

545
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: They're like, go back to where you belong.

546
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: They just like circled around in like the donuts.

547
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: So at this point Edson is fully committed to getting away.

548
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: He's like, I've come too far. So he doesn't give up.

549
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: He damned does not the coastguard to tell him what

550
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: to do or board his stolen sailboat. So he does

551
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: head for the like what they're what they're telling him to do.

552
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: He heads for land, but he doesn't stop there. He

553
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: just runs right into land. He runs a sailboat aground.

554
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm taking like I'm talking like. He smashes the

555
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: boat into like the base of a cliff, a place

556
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: called rock Point, which I have to assume these are

557
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: rocky cliffs, sure, because I do know that all I

558
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: know is this, I'll tell you what I do know Edson.

559
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: He can't just like run aground on sandy shores. One

560
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: there's the keel of the sailboat. I think something deep

561
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: because eventually he's forced to leap from the boat onto

562
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: wet rocks. And what we do know for sure is,

563
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: as the police report states he abandoned the craft.

564
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: It's like he's going out of his way at every

565
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: step to make it worse.

566
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: The next Edson continues on foot, he now does his

567
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: patented Edson move. He runs off into the woods, and

568
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: the one the woods that surround the cliffs at Rock Point.

569
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: So at this point, you know, it's like when in doubt,

570
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: head for the woods. That's what my daddy taught me exactly.

571
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: So at this point, officers the local Colchester Police Department

572
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: arrive on the scene to help catch this slippery purf.

573
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: But those officers, they're up at the top of the cliffs,

574
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: and thus they couldn't locate Edson down where he is

575
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: because he's below them and he's run into the woods.

576
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: But they can see him kind of like darting between

577
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: the trees. So they call out to him, like, hey, buddy,

578
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: where have you surrounded, come out with your hands up.

579
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: The cops trive this multiple times to quote, make contact

580
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: and start negotiations. So now we have a multi jurisdictional

581
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: task force of officers working the same scene. You have

582
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: the Coast guardsmen from the Coast Guard working the shore.

583
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: You have the original Burlington cops working alongside with cops

584
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: from the Colchester PD. They're soon joined by officers from

585
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 2: the University of Vermont PD, along with canine cops from

586
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: the Essex Police Department. Total task force. Meanwhile, the Burlington

587
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: PD turns to yet another agency for help, the Vermont

588
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: Department of Fish and Wildlife. Everybody, he's in the woods Elizabeth.

589
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: They're like, well, that's your jurisdiction. So, according to BPD,

590
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: as the police the latter report and their bulletin on

591
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: the ongoing manhunt, quote, it was thanks to their efforts

592
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: that BPD personnel was able to get on to shore

593
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: to search the Rock Point area. Now, altogether, with all

594
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: this assistance, this task force of multiple law enforcement agencies,

595
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: they still cannot find or locate Edson or apprehend him.

596
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: Even with the canine unit on the case. This time,

597
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: he's able to evade the dogs so he escapes fully

598
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: into the woods. So the police, the cops, they turned

599
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: to the public for help. They put out bulletins with

600
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: photos of Edson and they basically tell the public, if

601
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: you see this man, call us for now. Up to

602
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: August thirty first. One week later, the Burlington PD put

603
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: out yet another police bulletin. It's an update on their

604
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: manhunt and the update is Edson is spotted in a

605
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: neighboring town in nearby Fairfax, Vermont. Their officers informed the

606
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: public quote, police are seeking the public's help and locating

607
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: a man who was involved in an armed robbery and

608
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: pursued in Burlington last week. Police release surveillance photos of

609
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: Eric Edson today. The fifty two year old has wanted

610
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: for the robbery of a man on Goose Pond Road.

611
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: Edson has also wondered for the theft of multiple vehicles

612
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: in Cambridge and Fairfax. So you want to take a

613
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: guess at what new to him vehicle Edson at this

614
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: point has stolen for his prolonged flight from the law.

615
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

616
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Stop guessing, Elizabeth, you never guess.

617
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I'll never guess it.

618
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: As the Fairfax PD explained in their bulletin. Edson has

619
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: quote been most recently seen operating a full sized John

620
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: Deere tractor in the Fairfax area. No, but his means

621
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: of transportation at this point are unknown.

622
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: He's just going for slower and slower vehicles.

623
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: He's like, it's slow, let's wrong, I'll do it. So

624
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: he's now got this big hass green and yellow John

625
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: Deere tractor as his getaway vehicle in small town from

626
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: hot I also, I have to assume he is not

627
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: sober for most of his Did he stole a John

628
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: Dear tractor?

629
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: Tractor jack? Somebody like out there in the field just

630
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: shoved him off.

631
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: No.

632
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: I think he came upon like a basically a house

633
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: and he saw the tractor was just sitting at jack

634
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: up on a guy get off the track, shoves him off,

635
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: his hand in his pouch pocket for his exactly stealing

636
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: a full sized tractor. That just smacks of being high

637
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: as hell. In my book, that's methad logic, right. And

638
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: it's not like he's gonna steal a tractor and be

639
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: like I'm going to make a run for the Canadian border.

640
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Now, there's no logic to any of them.

641
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: None whatsoever. You cannot find a path to loge.

642
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: I want to stop and say, now, honestly, how do

643
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: you think this is going to play out?

644
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be laughing, But apparently the police chief of Burlington,

645
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: John Murrad, knew that people would be laughing because he

646
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: came forward to warn the public that quote. Because of

647
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: the unusualness of mister Edson's various modes of flight, from

648
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: cars to bikes, to paddle boards, to sailboats to tractors,

649
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: it's easy to lose sight of the fact that mister

650
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: Edson is a dangerous person. Don't you laugh?

651
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Guys, He's silly, but he's dangerous.

652
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still likely ar yeah, his packet. He also,

653
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: by the way, the gun could be a water gun.

654
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: Nobody has seen him fire it or even really get ready.

655
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: You know, it could just be like, hey, I got

656
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: a gun. It could could be a toy gun. Who knows. Anyway,

657
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: So we have this dude probably flying high on math,

658
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: possibly armed with the fire arm, possibly arm with the

659
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: water gun, whatever, stealing whatever he can go that goes slowly. Yeah,

660
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: So and to go where where is he trying to get?

661
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: To question? Well, because you know I joked earlier about

662
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: making a run for the border. Yeah, but it's not

663
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: like he was actually close to the Canadian border where

664
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: they are in Vermont. It's like sixty miles, like fifty

665
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: to seventy miles, So i'll say sixty miles away. That's

666
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: a bit of a drive on a John Deere tractor.

667
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: That is.

668
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: Now, that's like a plot of like a movie, you know,

669
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: trying to make the run for the border.

670
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: You have to stop and fill up that tank right now.

671
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: The next update the please share with the public is

672
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: that Edson's still at large, is driving around the area,

673
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: but he'd stolen a new vehicle. Oh no, don't worry.

674
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: I won't make you guess this time. I'll just tell

675
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: you what it is. Or rather I'll let the Burlington

676
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: and Fairfax pd tell you. According to the latest bulletin

677
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: on the ongoing man hunt, Edson had stolen yet another

678
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: slow moving get away vehicle, as a Burlington DPD put

679
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: it quote. Surveillance footage showed Edson on Goose Pond Road

680
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: in Fairfax on Wednesday. One image shows him approaching the

681
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: door of her residence. The second shows him operating a

682
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: stolen dump truck. A dump truck Elizabeth, he's now harmed

683
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: in dangerous hi giraffe eyebrows driving a stolen dump truck

684
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: around the backwards of Vermont.

685
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: You gotta give him credit, though they haven't caught him yet.

686
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Right, it's apparently working. So how far can he possibly

687
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: get in a stolen dump truck? And what is he

688
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: going to steal next? Well, rather than tell you that,

689
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: I'd like you to close your eyes and I'd like

690
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: you to picture it. It's a calm Thursday in September,

691
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: September seventh, twenty twenty three, to be exact. And you, Elizabeth,

692
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: are working as a game warden for the Vermont Department

693
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: of Fish and Wildlife. It's early afternoon, just after lunchtime

694
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: for lunch, you enjoyed one of those bowls of ruffage

695
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: you like rabbit food your coworkers like to call it. Anyway,

696
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: Just after you finish your rabbit food lunch, your radio

697
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: squawks to light A tip has been called in. The

698
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: notorious land pirate Eric Edson has been spotted all no

699
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: longer driving the stolen dump truck. You hear the report

700
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: that he's been seeing on the Lambiel River paddling what's

701
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: presumed to be a stolen kayak. You know you're not

702
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: that far from the river, so you run to your truck,

703
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: fired up and head over to the location where Edson

704
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: was last spotted. When you arrived there, there's a makeshift

705
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: task force of multiple law enforcement agencies in their vehicles.

706
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of cop cars from neighboring towns parked

707
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: alongside trucks from your co workers at the Vermont Department

708
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: of Fish and Wildlife. You hop out and use your

709
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: radio to find out the latest. Your radio squawks again

710
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: with a report back. Edson is still on the river.

711
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: You head down to the water's edge, not far from

712
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: Vermont Route one oh four A, and you stomp your

713
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: way through the underbrush of twigs and summer dried leaves.

714
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: You hear someone a splashing in the river. When you

715
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: break through the woods, you spot it there. He is

716
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: paddling like hell, headed up river. You call out to him, Eric, Edson,

717
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: we have you surrounded. Edson spins around on a kayak

718
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: and spots you on the northern bank of the river.

719
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: Then he cranes his neck around the other way. It

720
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: sees all kinds of cops pushing through the woods on

721
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: the southern bank of the river. He decides to chance

722
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: it on your side. He paddles towards you on the

723
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: northern bank. You snake through the trees and try to

724
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: catch up to him before he can disappear again into

725
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: the woods. You call out again, Edson, freeze, you're under arrest.

726
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: That's about as useless as bring an all beef franks

727
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 2: to a vegan pot. Look Edson sets foot on dry

728
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: land and immediately starts running. You give chase. The twigs

729
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: and leaves sound beneath your hiking boots. You're far faster

730
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: than he expects you are. You draw within about twenty

731
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: feet of him to get away. He decides to double

732
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: back for the river. He stops running when he reaches

733
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: a wide flat rock at the river shore. He turns

734
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: back and yells, oh innocent. You look at him like

735
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones, and you coolly tell him I don't care.

736
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: In response, he turns towards the river and he jumps

737
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: off the wide flat rock with a mighty splash. He

738
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: drops back into the river. Then he attempts to slim across.

739
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: You watch from the shore as he tries to make

740
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 2: it across that wide, slow moving river. He does make

741
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: it on the southern bank. He crawls out, sopping wet.

742
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: He waves back at you and then disappears into the woods.

743
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: You can hear the cops on the other side as

744
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: they spot them, and they release the dogs. Moments later,

745
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: you're radio squawks to life again. Eric Heedsen has been

746
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: caught near the Georgia Mountain Road. You may not have

747
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: caught him, but you're damn sure glad you did your

748
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: part to bring in the most wanted man, the ever

749
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: slippery Eric Edson. Nice work, game Ward and Elizabeth, thank you.

750
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: As soon as he's busted, Eric Edson requests a medical evaluation.

751
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: That means fire and rescue. You have to come out.

752
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: And now we got a larger task force. Members of

753
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: the Milton Police Department and the Franklin County Sheriff's Office

754
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: I just keep naming. They're also on the scene to

755
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: provide support when Edson's taken into custody. Not to mention

756
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: the Colchester and the Essex Police departments who also dispatched

757
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: resources to assist. What a chase. It was like the fugitive,

758
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: except in your case. Eventually, you and all these cops

759
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: and game Wards and Coast guardsmen, you all finally get

760
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: your man. So let's take a little break and now

761
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: he's been caught. Catch a breather, and when we get back,

762
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: we'll find out what justice looks like for a land

763
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: pirate in Vermont. That look like we're back, Elizabethaber. You

764
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: ready to hear how this mad methkaper comes to a

765
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: tiger close? Yes, well, now that Eric Edson is caught,

766
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: what does justice look like? Well? Edson goes to court

767
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: the very next day, on Friday, just one day after

768
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: all you apprehended him, and just like he said to you,

769
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: he denies it was him. I'm innocent, as the local

770
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: headlines proclaimed, armed robbery suspect who evaded police for a

771
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: week denies charges in court, which makes perfect sense. I

772
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: mean he's facing multiple charges. Of course, you know he's

773
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: going to do his best impression of the singer Shaggy

774
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: and say it wasn't me.

775
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: He's got to have a public defender, and they're always

776
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: pushing for just kind of deals.

777
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh pretty much. So when he's standing there in the

778
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: Crittenden County Superior County Criminal Court, Edson enters a not

779
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: guilty plea at his arraignment. The charges he's facing, by

780
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: the way, are assault for how he tossed the two

781
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: cops from the wellness check sure when he first fled.

782
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: And then also he's got the original robbery charges from

783
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: the Sierra Trading Post and forget that which involved a

784
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: weapon allegedly, right, and then you have to add in

785
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: all of the stolen vehicles. For instance, Elizabeth. For just

786
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: the stolen sailboat, Edson faced quote two counts of unauthorized

787
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: use of a boat and three counts of careless and

788
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: negligent operation of a vessel as the result of the

789
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: alleged theft of a sailboat. Yeah, so he's facing multiple

790
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: charges just from the seilboat. And then you add in

791
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: the stolen bike, the stolen John Dear tractor, don't forget

792
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: the dump truck. Each of those separate charges with the

793
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: related driving charges anytime he got he was He's not

794
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: like he was speeding, but you know, reckless endangerment. Of course,

795
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: there's also the charges for running from the law. Naturally,

796
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: the judge recognizes that Edson is what we call a

797
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: clear flight risk. Yeah, that's his whole mo. So the

798
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: judge orders have held without bail. Edson gets locked up

799
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: the north West State Correctional Facility in Saint Albans, Vermont.

800
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: Perhaps his time behind bars allows him to like sober up.

801
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he eventually realizes what sort of

802
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: time he's going to be facing. So because he recants,

803
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: he's not guilty, plead Instead, Edson takes a plea deal.

804
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: Like you said, he gets offered a pleae deal. Yeah,

805
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: but that was just the local charges. Edson was still

806
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: facing federal charges Coastcard.

807
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

808
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: So you see, the day after he was first caught,

809
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: a federal grand jury had been convened, and the federal

810
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: grand jury returned to simple one count indictment based on

811
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: the Hobbes Act. What's well, on November eighth, he settles

812
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: those federal charges because he accepted an offer from the

813
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: US Attorney's office that was to settle the charges that

814
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: he violated the Hobbs Act. And as you are wondering, Zaren,

815
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: what the heck is the Hobbs Act, I asked the

816
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: bust question the absolute best. I'm really glad you asked,

817
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: because according to the Department of Justice, the Hobbs Act

818
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: quote is prohibits actual or attempted robbery or extortion affecting

819
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: interstate or foreign commerce. Maybe maybe wondering how does that

820
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: apply in this instance? Well, luckily the DOJ helpfully explains

821
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: on its website. Although the Hobs Act was enacted as

822
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: a statute to combat racketeering and labor management disputes, the

823
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: statute is frequently used in connection with cases involving public corruption,

824
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: commercial disputes, violent criminals and street gangs, and corruption directed

825
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: at members of labor unions.

826
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: And I still am not seeing how that.

827
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm guessing Edson qualifies as a violent criminal because at

828
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: the Sierra Trading Post having been gone, it starts us

829
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: all off. Or perhaps he's a one man street gang.

830
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: Who knows, or perhaps the maybe the Sierra Trading Post

831
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: was a member for labor union this was I don't know.

832
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: But in response to his plea deal in December of

833
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, Edson was convicted and sentenced to four

834
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: years in federal prison with a subsequent three years of

835
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: supervised release, which means he got less time for this

836
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: one than the first one I told you about.

837
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is justice.

838
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: And so ends the mad Methkaper of the Land Pirate.

839
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: The Burlington bandit. So what's a ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth.

840
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: Let's see, I think stay off drugs.

841
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

842
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: And always you always have to think through like what

843
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: am I seeking here? What relief do I seek? Or

844
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: what outcome am I seeking?

845
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: And I'm just.

846
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: Really curious, like if you were to sit him down

847
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: and try and get him clear headed and say, how

848
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: do you see this completely playing out?

849
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, totally. I don't think he's the endgame. I

850
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: don't think he ever had one. I mean based on

851
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: his like, oh, I'm going to steal the dump truck,

852
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm a steal a tractor. I think he was very

853
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: much as you know some of like the life coaches

854
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: that some of the Buddhists might say is live in

855
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: the moment. He was very much living in the moment.

856
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: Well, and as I harp on impulse control, yes, he

857
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: has zero.

858
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: Slow and low. It is the tempo.

859
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: Well, it's like the thought crosses his mind and he

860
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Speaker 1: just does it. There's zero impulse control. So his impulse

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Speaker 1: is I have to run. I have to get away.

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Speaker 1: They can't catch me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can't get caught again? Are you going back?

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Speaker 1: So there's a boat, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And also sailboats that seems fun.

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Speaker 1: You know who doesn't like them?

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Speaker 2: The other ones run out again, this doesn't run out

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Speaker 2: of wind.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I can just go forever, Zaren, what's your

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Speaker 1: ridiculous Oh thank you for asking?

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Speaker 2: What day is it? My birthday is? Wow. Well, since

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Speaker 2: you're interested, I will say this, how many Keystone cops

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Speaker 2: in Vermont did it take to catch him? How many

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Speaker 2: agencies did I list off? I mean I lost track personally,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: Human hours dedicated to this one right goofball?

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm just I was blown away, like how many?

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Speaker 2: Like I'm like, you guys like there's like thirty five

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Speaker 2: cops involved, maybe seventy five. I have no idea. This

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Speaker 2: is a ridiculous number. And then you guys are still

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Speaker 2: like it took them weeks to catch up.

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Speaker 1: That's what I can.

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Speaker 2: And these are small towns. It's like, can you just

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Speaker 2: like cordon off the parts of the streets and be like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I know he's in the woods and stuff, but I mean, like.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, if he were down in the South.

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Speaker 2: It would have shot him. No, they had when I lived.

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Speaker 1: Down there, on the news, when people would do these

889
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Speaker 1: sort of things. They drag their mama out and the

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Speaker 1: mom wol you got to come in. You got to

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Speaker 1: come in. You cannot do this. You are hurting me,

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Speaker 1: you are hurting our family. And then like you know,

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Speaker 1: the next day he turns himself in.

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Speaker 2: I like that. We both went into junior immediately. You

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Speaker 2: just know exactly that is so true though, this is

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Speaker 2: exactly what would happened in this out. They would they

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00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: pull out mama and she a big, big mob either

898
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Speaker 2: one whoever's living, and he's the oldest woman in the family, right,

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Speaker 2: and she's gonna like shame him for what he's done and.

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Speaker 1: Tell him like this, this ain't right. You have got

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00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: to come home. You've got to turn yourself in.

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00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: And nine times nine times it's amazing. So you in

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Speaker 2: the mood for a talkback and watch this all down

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Speaker 2: talkbacks pretucerd can you favor us with one? Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: because I love ge.

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Speaker 3: Hell over, dude. Just someone goes out to a visit.

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Speaker 3: But check out the Note Gallery. It has everything from

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Speaker 3: art forgeries and how do you say cucumber. Alec Baldwin

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Speaker 3: did a podcast on.

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Speaker 4: It, and the art director of the gallery who only

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Speaker 4: bought the forged painting because it had a signature that

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Speaker 4: misspelled Jackson Pollock's name.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Oh my god, that's incredible typo.

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Speaker 2: But is that legal protection?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Pollack Colick Pollick. Yeah, that actually could that's good cover?

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Speaker 2: Right? Is it a crime off by one letter? Go?

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Speaker 2: I love it well as always. You can find us

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Speaker 2: online Ridiculous Crime on social media that's mostly Instagram and

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Speaker 2: on blue Sky you can find uh, you know, the

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Speaker 2: good links. So there you go. And also we have

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Speaker 2: our account Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube. There you see

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Speaker 2: we have our website ridiculous Crime dot com, which I

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