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Speaker 1: with us. Joining me, Ash Wilcot, judge lawyer, you can

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Ellen kill Lauren, Let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Chelsea? Tell me everything's giving the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the crime line, the timeline, Ellen, because that's what's

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Speaker 1: so important. Kelsey disappeared on November twenty second, which is

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Speaker 1: A lawyer Ashley Wilcot, Ashley weigh in on what we

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Speaker 1: have ferreted out so far. Well, you know, I do

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Speaker 1: But Ashley, how can you even fix your mouth to

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Speaker 1: She's a flight instructor, isn't that right, Ellen Kilaurin. She's

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Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe she had some freak out of it.

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Speaker 1: So now Nancy's embarrassed me because you're right, I'm so happy.

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Speaker 1: believe that Chris Watts is so volatile and his parents

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Speaker 1: are still standing behind him, and I would not be

427
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: surprised if at some juncture Chris Watts tries to contest

428
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: his guilty plea, be careful what you ask, my dear,

429
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: for you will surely get it. He could get a

430
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: trial if a judge went along with that, and I

431
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: believe the state would seek the death penalty on him.

432
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: But Ellen Colorin, I want to talk to you. What

433
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: is a new evidence you've discovered? Well, as we heard

434
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: in the nine one one call, I think that one

435
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: very important thing here is even though people on Chris

436
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: watt side of things, including his family, will say he

437
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: was the best guy ever, he was the greatest guy ever.

438
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Chandan's friends knew that something was up, and they knew

439
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. He claimed that Shannons went on a

440
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: playdate and brought her two daughters, But as her friend

441
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: says in the nine one one call, the car seats

442
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: are still in the back of the car. Another friend, Cassie,

443
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: who's among several people who are frantically looking for Shannon

444
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: Watts that morning, says to Chris, where are you get

445
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: over to your house or I'm going to call the police.

446
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: The police are going to bust down your door. And

447
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Chris said to her, don't call the police. But fortunately

448
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: Nicole Atkinson did call the police and they were there

449
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: waiting for him. No matter what Chris Watts tries to

450
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: claim or tried to claim about how his daughters were killed,

451
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: one thing say undisputed the fact that he put those

452
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: bodies into a tiny little aid in space. And when

453
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: he first confesses to investigators about how he disposed of them,

454
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: they can't believe it. They are incredulous that he was

455
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: able to get those bodies in there. And the first

456
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: investigators to go out to the scene saw that there

457
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: was hair on the opening to one of those oil tanks,

458
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: but Chris Wats insisted it was no trouble at all.

459
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: It was easy. There's no way that's true, And that

460
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: tells you everything about what you need about what kind

461
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: of person Chris was at that time. Alexis Dreschuk way

462
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: in on what we have learned not only from this

463
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: novel One Call, but from the text that Ellen and

464
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: you have managed to obtain. So Nan was texting with

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00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: her friends. She was gone on a business trip the

466
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: weekend before she was murdered, and she was telling them

467
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: that she was afraid her mirror over, that there was

468
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: nothing that she was going to be able to do

469
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: to fix it. She had fallen out of love with her.

470
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: He wasn't physical with her when they were on vacation together.

471
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: There was and she just said, I'm afraid there's nothing

472
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: I can do. And she was in a panic. This

473
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: is her marriage, that had been years, they'd been together forever,

474
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: they two children, one on the way, and all of

475
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, on the turn of a dime, he had

476
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: stopped loving her and stop being affectionate. She was frantically

477
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what she could do, and that's

478
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: what the text messages show. They show she says, well,

479
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: what if there's nothing I can do? What if this

480
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: is really really over? I'm that a lot. I don't

481
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: know what to do. And her friends were writing back

482
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: and saying there must be an explanation because they'd all

483
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: seen their wonderful relationship. Everybody had seen them together. He

484
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: was a great husband. They whether they were so cute,

485
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: They were so excited that they were having another baby,

486
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: that's about to do a gender reveal party, and instead

487
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: she knew that he was seeing So he had spent

488
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: sixty two dollars at a restaurant, and she found that

489
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: out while she was with her friends, and that is

490
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: more money than one person would have spent at this

491
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: restaurant because they looked up online. He said he had

492
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: salmon and beer, and her friend looked it up with her,

493
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: and salmon and beer did not crist sixty two dollars.

494
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: So these friends knew that this marriage was a crisis.

495
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: So when she was texting them about how unhappy and

496
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: how scared she was for the future of her marriage,

497
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: they knew that there was something wrong too too. Joseph

498
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, death investigator, author of Blood Beneath My Feet

499
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: on Amazon. You're right about at least one of the

500
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: children fighting back. The four year old daughter, Bella, did

501
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: fight back, and this is how we know that as

502
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: he strangled her before it shoving her little body into

503
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: an oil drum. Because Bella actually bit her own tongue

504
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: as she tried to stop her dad from suffocating her,

505
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: and the autopsy reveals that her body was totally scraped

506
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: as he tried to cram her body through a very

507
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: small hatch in an oil tank where he hid her in.

508
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: Baby sister, Celeste. Can you just imagine the horror and

509
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: that little girl's mind as she fought for her life. No, No,

510
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I absolutely can't, Nancy. Uh. And it just out of

511
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: nowhere in this environment which you feel very very safe.

512
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: You know you talked about how she was crammed into this,

513
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: into this space. Uh, this hatch in the top, this

514
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: eight inch hole. Can I say something real quick? In

515
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: my research that I've found, do you know what the

516
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: name of those hatches are are called? On top of

517
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: those tanks? And this is rife with irony, Those are

518
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: actually referred to as thief hatches, Nancy. And I find

519
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: it interesting here because he literally stole these little girls

520
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: lives unaware, this person that was that was tasked with

521
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: taking care of them, with loving them, with providing for them,

522
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: stole their lives and just jammed them and stuffed them

523
00:31:51,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: away like a piece of garbage. Helping me. I'm not good,

524
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: my daddy, daddy. And you are hearing Chris Watts's daughter

525
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: in her car seat singing my daddy as a hero.

526
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: The same day Chris Watts that then killed her, her

527
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: little sister, the mom, Chananne and the baby. And right

528
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: now I'm looking at texts between Chananne and her friends

529
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: and she's now talking to her friends. What am I

530
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: going to do? What am I going to do? She says,

531
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: I can't do this alone with three children. I'm not happy.

532
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: And the friends trying to talk her into keeping baby

533
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Nico because she desperately wanted the baby boy, and she says, Chananne,

534
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: I keep asking him again and again, but because he

535
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: ignored me when I asked did he want the baby?

536
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: And he said no? So to Karen Start and York psychologist,

537
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? She's writing text to

538
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: her friends Chris does not want this baby, that he's

539
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: happy with Bella and Celeste. He thought he wanted another baby.

540
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: How I got this out of him? I said to him,

541
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: do you want me to abort? You? Know? Nancy? What

542
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: would have been amazingly wonderful at that point was for

543
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: her to realize that that is a terrible sign. Here's

544
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: a guy who enjoys being a father, once had a baby,

545
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: he has this whole thing where they're a great family,

546
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: and now he's saying he doesn't want the baby after

547
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: she's already pregnant. That is a sign that something is very,

548
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: very wrong, and unfortunately she didn't realize that. You know,

549
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: to Lee Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, divorce lawyer, I've

550
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: said it a million times, Kathleen, why not just get

551
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: a divorce for Pete? Say? I don't. I don't understand

552
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: this thinking people have a misconception of what a divorce

553
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: really entails. I'm a mediator and I tell people that

554
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: come in to see me that we are required to

555
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: mediate so many issues before we even head into litigation

556
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: or hearings. And it's not a process to be afraid of.

557
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: That's why I offer at my office a consultation at

558
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: no charge. I've been doing that for thirty years because

559
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: we need to squash that myth that a divorce can

560
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: be so terrifying and destructive. It's really not. It's really not. Nancy. Well,

561
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Kathleen. You've got the husband

562
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: saying abort the baby. She's already at fifteen weeks, okay,

563
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: so that she's in her third month. Let me ask

564
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: you about the possibility that Chris Watts is going to

565
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: contest his guilty plea. You know that's happened many many

566
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: times for someone comes up with an excuse, they contest

567
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: their guilty plea, they get a trial. You know, the

568
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: Colorado has the death penalty. He's a narcissist. He is

569
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: never going to be wrong and it's always going to

570
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: be a self focus. I would not be surprised if

571
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: that comes down the pipes. Look at the Scott Peterson.

572
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: We're God of Habeas Corpus, that dear Lord in heaven exactly.

573
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, here's another issue, Jessicott Morgan, you have carefully

574
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: you're the forensics expert, Professor Forensics at Jackson State University.

575
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: What do we learn from the bodies that implicates him? Well,

576
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, I think that for me when I'm when

577
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the autopsy reports on these these four

578
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: actually four innocent innocent here the would see see the

579
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: youngest she was, there is little or no trauma or

580
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: anything that's that's going to give you an indication of

581
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: how she was killed. I think a lot of that

582
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: is through process of elimination, going back to her older

583
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: sister with Bella. When Chris Watts and I can say

584
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: this in the affirmative. Now, when Chris Watts suffocated Bella,

585
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: he forcefully held his hand over her face or put

586
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: a pillow her face to the period to the point

587
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: where she's convulsing and and ripping the interior the little

588
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: attachments of tissue in her mouth as well as biting

589
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: her tongue with nan. She's got a single mark on

590
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: the right side of her neck. There's like actually hemorrhage.

591
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: If people just feel to the right side of the

592
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: cartilage on their neck, there's an area in there called

593
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: strap muscles, and she's got a focal area of hemorrhage.

594
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: That's why I think she was probably you know, everybody,

595
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: every lady in the audience that has been pregnant, you know,

596
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you can't get comfortable. She's probably sleeping on her left side.

597
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that he approached from her right rear and

598
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: wrapped his hand around her neck from the rear and

599
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: choked her out. And that's how she got this mark

600
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: on the right side of her neck, because she's laying

601
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: on the left side of her body to try to

602
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: be comforted as she sleeps with baby Nico in her womb.

603
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's also amazing, is it true. Alexis Tresha,

604
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: writer online dot Com that Chris Watts is already getting

605
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: love letters, love letters behind bars. He killed his wife

606
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: and children, and women are writing him love letters. It's

607
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: not like he was tried and there's some question about

608
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: his innocence. He pled guilty, okay, so nobody can have

609
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: the illusion that he's wrongly convicted. He pled guilty, and

610
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: women are still writing him. They want to sleep with

611
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: him behind bars. They are still so we ever became

612
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: so many letters from women. These are and written ten

613
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: page letters and cursive, curlycue writing with heart emojis, draw

614
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: hearts and smiley faces, just telling Chris that they think

615
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: he looks like a beautiful soul and they feel a

616
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: connection to him, and they he should because they just

617
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: know that they have a you know, a good way

618
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: that they can really bring him out of these dark places.

619
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: These women are crazy that are writing to him. And

620
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: it's not just one. There are multiple letters of people

621
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: they're writing him. They send pictures of themselves so that

622
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: he can see how beautiful they are and just say,

623
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: don't you see that we have this connection. I can

624
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: help you, I can be the one, and I feel

625
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: a love that I'm sending towards you. It's really disturbing

626
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: that people do this. This man, he killed his entire

627
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: family and he confess, he confessed to the police that

628
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: he killed them, and they still think that he's this

629
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: wonderful man because he's so good looking. He's not good looking,

630
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Quin saying that Alexis he's not good looking. When I

631
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 1: look at him, I just see the devil. We wait

632
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: as more of this investigation unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story,

633
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,