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Speaker 1: for you guys. Today we have Jessica Kent, Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: That's correct? Now, Jessica, tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: your story. You might have to be more specific because

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Speaker 1: I can ramble forever, um, please do. But I'm a

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Speaker 1: YouTuber TikToker who shares a lot of garunge e stuff

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Speaker 1: about going to prison and having a baby in prison

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Speaker 1: I just hope to change laws and inspire people to

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Speaker 1: never ending battle on the internet. Um. But yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I'm a little sad that Mark's not here because

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Speaker 1: who sees it. You're only as old as you feel

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Speaker 1: you did, you did about two and a half years

426
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 1: over a little and then you know, so you kicked

427
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: inside the jail house. Huh, kicked in jail. And that

428
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: was not the first time I've been to jail, but

429
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 1: that was the first time I was pregnant, So I

430
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: just naturally assumed that they would give me preniato vitamins

431
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: that they would give me medication for this detox. They

432
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: gave me nothing and left me to suffer. And I

433
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: didn't get a prenato vitamin until I was three months pregnant.

434
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: And it took me that long to fight and cause

435
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: a scene to get them, you know. So my my

436
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: passion for prison reform comes from very extreme trauma that

437
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: I went through. You know, in that County jail, the

438
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: women were denied period products, you know, and as a

439
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: New Yorker, that ship would never happen in a New

440
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: York prison. So I'm like, what do you mean You're

441
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: not going to give them tampons? Are you out of

442
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: your fucking mind? You know? So the seed was planted that.

443
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm gonna get through this. I

444
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonn have a baby in prison.

445
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen after that, but

446
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to fight for prison reforms somehow, sure, somehow.

447
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: Now did you know you had your your child in prison?

448
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: And your child's name is Micah Micah and that's your

449
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: daughter or son? Daughter? And how old is she now?

450
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: She is almost nine? Now? Change she's big and and

451
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: and excuse me for asking, but the father is the

452
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: guy that you're dating at the time or right different?

453
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: So um, he yeah, he has no claim to her,

454
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: no rights, writes, nothing, And he's currently waiting to go

455
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: back to prison for like the seventh time. So he's

456
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: not in the picture. What was his what was his thing?

457
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: He wasn't a drug addict though, right it was just

458
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: or he was. He's also a drug addict. Just someone

459
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: that I met that made me laugh. If you make

460
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 1: a girl laugh, you can make her do anything. Um.

461
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: And we were arrested together, and you know, I remember

462
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: telling him that I was pregnant in jail and he said,

463
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: is it my? And I knew right then and there

464
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: I'm alone like that, I'm doing this alone. So I

465
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: told him home, it's mine. I got this and she's

466
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: been mine from the start. And you know, we got

467
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: through the hardest time of our lives together. I want

468
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: to cry right now. You got your emotional Um. Yeah,

469
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: it's hard to talk about, you know, but giving birth

470
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: in prison was something that really damaged me for a

471
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: long time. Um. When I someone who doesn't know what

472
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: happens with your child when you're when you still have

473
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: a year left. What happens? Sure, Um, So two things

474
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: can happen. Either your family can come pick up the

475
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: baby and they can go through that process with the prison.

476
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: Some paperwork is done, and then they can bring the

477
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: baby to visitation once a week and you see your daughter,

478
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: her son, you know, every week. That is that what

479
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: happened for you? Or she's given us two examples, or

480
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: or what can happen is your kid goes to foster care.

481
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: You never see them until you get out, and that's

482
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: what's happening to me. I knew that that was the case.

483
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: My family miles away. They're also not very well off,

484
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: so they couldn't come down there and fight DHS and

485
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: go through all the red tape. So I knew my

486
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: daughter was going to go into the foster care system. UM.

487
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: That trauma of being physically removed from the hospital bed

488
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: while my daughter went into foster care caused so many

489
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: problems for me. UM. I had PTSD to the point

490
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: where I couldn't speak. They kept meeting infirmary for two weeks.

491
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how it was wrong with me. UM.

492
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I just knew that the only thing I ever loved

493
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: was just ripped out of my arms, and I have

494
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: to go back to g P general population and just

495
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: act like I'm okay, Well I can't do that today,

496
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: you know. And Um, I didn't get to meet my

497
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: daughter until a court hearing six months later. Wow, and

498
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: and and so here's your daughter with you. Now I

499
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: have full custody. Okay, So so how long was she

500
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: away from you? She so I got out when she

501
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: was a little over one. I got her back when

502
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: she was a little over too, so she doesn't remember.

503
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: But we are very close with the Foster family, and

504
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: that's Auntie and Um. We wanted to do that. We

505
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: wanted to keep you know, them in our lives as

506
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: much as we possibly could. But it took me a

507
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: year of fighting hair follical drug testing, therapy, child abuse testing.

508
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: I had to get an apartment as a felon, a car.

509
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: I was working two jobs, doing meetings. I mean, I

510
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: was just stretched really thin. And over the course of

511
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: that that I fought for her case, workers were telling me,

512
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: you're not doing enough. We're going to petition to suspend

513
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: your rights or to determine your rights. I said, I

514
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: will fight until I died to be her mother. You

515
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: don't understand I am. I am not the one, you know,

516
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: and I was that fierce and everything I did. They

517
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: placed her four hours away from me, so I had

518
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: to drive, which at first I had to hustle a

519
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: ride to even get there. Drive four hours, he or

520
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: for two hours, drive home four hours while all that

521
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: other stuff is going on, you know. But she's worth it,

522
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: and that's my baby and my blood. And when the

523
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: judge told me, you know, you now have sol real

524
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: custody of Mica, it was the happiest day of my

525
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: life because I doubted myself every step of the way.

526
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: I might be fierced, I might be strong, but I'm

527
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: going up against foster care. Many men and women lose

528
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: their kids every day in this country, you know. And

529
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew the statistics, and I was

530
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: terrified every day that I would never see her again.

531
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Now now Auntie and uncle, right now, they're still in

532
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: MICA's life, right, which is its awesome. Um, When when

533
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: this process was happening, did you start building a relationship

534
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: with them, and then were they under the understanding that

535
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: they may not be able to to to keep her obviously,

536
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: or did they think that Hey, we're now her foster

537
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: parents and that's it. Did they kind of know that

538
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: going into it, or is this something like a program

539
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: that you know, you you fought to to make happen

540
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: to explain that, that's a good question. So ironically, uncle

541
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: is a police officer, and I knew that when I

542
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: met him for the time, even though he wasn't in uniform.

543
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: Felons now we just know, so you know, he was

544
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: really um protective over Micah, and I could tell that

545
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: they loved her very much. But they were told that

546
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: the mother me would not be getting out of prison.

547
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know why they told them that, because

548
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not a lifer, I'm a short timer,

549
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Like this is a drug case. I'm coming home. Um.

550
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: So when I met them as six months, I looked

551
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: them in the face and I said, I will fight

552
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: every day and I'm doing what i need to do

553
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: in here, getting my g D, doing classes. I'm going

554
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: to get my back. So they knew that that was

555
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: what I was going to try to do. And then

556
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: once I got out, they saw how furious I was,

557
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: and they promised me that if it goes the other way,

558
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: they will attempt to adopt and I can move to

559
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: the same town that they're in and have a life

560
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: with them. And they fight it when you tried to

561
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: get full custody. No, they wanted the best outcome for Mica,

562
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: and that that was hard as hell for them. I mean,

563
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: they love this. Then you got to fight the establishment, right,

564
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: They just said, whatever the decides, whatever is best for her,

565
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: is what we want. And once they saw us after

566
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: a while together, they knew, you know, they knew it.

567
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: I was what's best for her, even before I saw

568
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: it myself. You know that they're an amazing foster family.

569
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: They have three biological and three adopted, and she is

570
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: a damn superhero. You know, she's an amazing mother. So

571
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I'm in your My fridge looked

572
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: like old Chinese food and like take out how to

573
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: cook food, and she's whipping up, you know, five course

574
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: meals every year and I can't do that. But love

575
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: is what matters. You know, it doesn't matter for feeding

576
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: the chicken against kale. Love is what makes the household.

577
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: And it's taking me a long time to even be

578
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: confident in my own skin, let alone, motherhead. Now, once

579
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: you got out because I and I have to ask,

580
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: because I know this is, you know, very difficult. Did

581
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: you move out of the town that you grew up in.

582
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean that you were having the drug issues or

583
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: are you in the same town? Good question. Um. So

584
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: I was selling and using in Fort Smith, Arkansas. I

585
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: pulled out to Rogers, Arkansas, so that's about forty five

586
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: minutes away. But all my connects, for the most part,

587
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: we're in prison. Um. The obstacles to get your life

588
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: together as a fellone are very call especially in the South,

589
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, Arkansas. Um. You know, they really gave me

590
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: a run for my money when it came to employment

591
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: and posing. But like I said, I fought the system. Um.

592
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I prolled out to a halfway house of ower shoes

593
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: and it really torn up in you know, a very

594
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: old used bible. That's my only possessions in the world. Um.

595
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: And at first it was really hard to get a job.

596
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: But because I didn't snitch, I could get a pound

597
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: of meth on front. I think people don't realize that,

598
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, like no one wants to rent to me,

599
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: no one wants to hire me. But I got people

600
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: saying just use my name, go to this house. I

601
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: got you you know, get a front and get get

602
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: a car, get an apartment, get your daughter, and that's

603
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: how they'll get you back in, especially if you've worked

604
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: with some of the people that I've worked with. They

605
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: don't think of it as they're putting me back around

606
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: my addiction. They see it as we're helping you get

607
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: money what you need. You know, if you want all

608
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: this stuff, you're gonna have to sell dope. Like yeah,

609
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and so did you you know, obviously you were attempted,

610
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, to to go back to that lifestyle, that lifestyle,

611
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure it's something that's still haunts

612
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: you in a way because you know, and do you

613
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: currently drink now, I don't drink very good. That's probably smart.

614
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I was tempted to get back into that old world

615
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: my first year out of prison. And I say this

616
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: all the time, if you can make it your first

617
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: year out of prison, you're good. You know, that first

618
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: year you're gonna be met with so many obstacles and

619
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: challenges and you have to continuously say no, you lose

620
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: the cell phone, get off social media, just go to work,

621
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: go to the gym, go home, focus on you, you know,

622
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: and that's hard. As hell. But that first year is

623
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: going to make or break you. How long was it

624
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: until you started into cannabis that help you not relapse

625
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: or is it just something that if you know what

626
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, yeah, So I was on parole until

627
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: about three years ago, so I couldn't smoke. UM. So

628
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: I was abstinent for the first eight years or so

629
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: in my recovery. That's a long time. UM. And then

630
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: my PTTSD and mindsomnia and tell me was the worst

631
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: aspect of that. It got really bad. And I have,

632
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, self care techniques, and I know what to

633
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: do when I'm having anxiety and when I'm having depression.

634
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: But over time I couldn't white knuckle it anymore. You know,

635
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: I was miserable. I wasn't sleeping for days of the time.

636
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Suicidal thoughts kept happening again, and I thought, you can't

637
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: do pills. You know, there's no way you can take

638
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: sleeping medication because you're gonna get addicted. You can't take

639
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: antidepressants because that's triggering, you know, even if it's not

640
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, even if it's not an opiate, it's triggering

641
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: taking those pills and having them around, having prescription bottles

642
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: around is really triggering for me. And you know, I

643
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: have a bachelor's degree in correctional Programs per services an

644
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: under in psychology, so I do know the medical benefits

645
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: of cannabis. And my family very separated. Dad is conservative.

646
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: My mom's side, they do festivals, they're hippies. They believe

647
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: in that plant, you know. So I grew up believing

648
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: in it too, and um, but because of probation parole

649
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: all my life, there's no way I could do it.

650
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: So finally I decided, you need to smoke, like it's

651
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: your only option, and I remember it's gonna cry. Um.

652
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: The first time I smoked, I was a little grd

653
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: about myself. But being able to go to sleep, like

654
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone understands, but being able to

655
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: sleep after battling insomnia is like life changing, you know.

656
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: And I realized then, like, this is not triggering for me.

657
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: This is a tool that I have when I need it,

658
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: and that peace of mind was everything to me. So

659
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't smoke every night, but it is a tool

660
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: that I have to use to go to sleep, and

661
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: that I can't even put it into words. I probably

662
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: sound like a weirdo. Crying about it, but not at all,

663
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, I I, I actually like I I understand

664
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Speaker 1: you know, your thought process because it's something that did

665
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: a lot of us talk about and we try to,

666
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, understand, and you don't understand it unless you

667
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: lived it, right, you can't understand the mind of an

668
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: addict or what you've been through unless you've actually lived it.

669
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: And then you can understand from from the outside, you know,

670
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: but from the inside, and then having the ability to

671
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: find something that gives you a comfort, that gives you

672
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: some kind of a you know, a better night's rest

673
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: or you know, absolutely, I think that the number one

674
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: point you make, and it's I think it's amazing. And

675
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: more people, more addicts, more people with issues, need to

676
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: take heed to what you said of It's not a trigger.

677
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: Every other quote unquote drug was a trigger for you.

678
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Any kind of prescription anybody in the house, you're gonna

679
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna give you PTSD. Looking at the bottle knowing

680
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: that did to you, that was prescription drugs and where

681
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: it lad and knowing that cannabis, anybody wants to call

682
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: it a drug, hug is nowhere near any way, shape

683
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: or form, uh any type of of substance that's gonna

684
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: trigger you to you know, if what we call the

685
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: reverse gateway drug. You know, everybody wants to call the

686
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: gateway drug, which would mean it be a trigger to

687
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: got high. So let me go do poke, let me

688
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: go do math. Only it worked that way. It's usually

689
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: the opposite in that for years. So do you hear

690
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: you say it like that, you know, and tear up

691
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: over it that this amazing plant helped you so dramatically

692
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: and didn't cause any of the triggers that you would

693
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: have if You'm gonna take one little drink or I'm

694
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna just take one sleeping pill is amazing. I wanted

695
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: sleeping pills. I mean, I was fucking exhausted. And you know,

696
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: not to discredit someone else's struggle with addiction, because I

697
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: don't think and recovery is for everyone. I think that

698
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: it can be triggering in very damage to others and recovery, um,

699
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: but I had to kind of re learned everything that

700
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: I know, you know, because for so long people tell

701
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: you can't smell need and be sober, you can't do

702
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: this recovery. This is not the way. It's like, well,

703
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: I have another in psychology, and I know the medical

704
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: benefits of it. You know I love cd D, So

705
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: how can we demonize THHC love CDD. We're talking about

706
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: the same plant. We're talking about separate cannabinoids. Right, you

707
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: can't say one is great another as the devil. Come on,

708
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: now that's active and once and not so um and

709
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: even the psychoactive part. While that's a that's a great terminal,

710
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: it's still not It's still not your math and heroine

711
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: or you're asked it, whatmon with that? We're gonna go

712
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: to break and when we come back, we're gonna do

713
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the high five with Jessica. Yes, make sure you check

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Speaker 1: of the show, which is the Cannabis Talk one on

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Speaker 1: one High five with Jessica Kent Craig. How old were

733
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: you the first time you smoked and where did you

734
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: get it from? Oh? My gosh, so I believe I

735
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: was about thirteen and my brother, my older brother, was

736
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: like hot boxing a car and I was always the

737
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: one that was like, I want to call on now,

738
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: and he was like, get away from me, but he

739
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: was about to get caught. Was I just get in

740
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: the car, Just John, Just get in the car. One

741
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: doesn't find out. And that was the first time that

742
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: I got high Question number two of the High five

743
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: with Jessica Kent, what is your favorite way to use cannabis? Oh?

744
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I like joints. I'm old school. Um, you know, all

745
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: smoke blunts too, but joint nice nice. I love the

746
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: I love the joints as well. Question number three, Craziest

747
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: place you've ever used or smoked cannabis? Oh my gosh,

748
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: they don't prep you for these about the way I

749
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: think in high school in the bathroom. Probably that's crazy.

750
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty. Do you get busted? No? What's funny

751
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: is I would also smoke cigarettes in the hallway. I

752
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to get kicked out so bad and they

753
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: weren't kicking me out. So do you still smoke cigarettes?

754
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: I do not. I hate cigarette? Good for you? Question

755
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: number four of the high five would Jessica can't? What

756
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: is your go to MUNCHI after you get high? Bro?

757
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: It's Cereal? Like I love Cereal, any kind of Cereal, tricks, Coco, pebbleses, puffs.

758
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: You just hit all my little sweet spots. I'm like, whoa,

759
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: They're so good? Love it. Question number five, If you

760
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: could smoke with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?

761
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Kurt Cobaine? Wow? Why? I'm a huge Nirvana fan. I

762
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: like Incesticide was the best album ever and just love

763
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: him so if I could just spend a day with

764
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: him and smoking with him, that'd be like a dream

765
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: come true. Yeah, and he was. He was Nirvana was

766
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: That was the hottest ship ever when it hit. Man.

767
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean I I just smoke with like David Grohl too.

768
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: We can I can settle for David grol Right. So

769
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: so tell us, you know, tell us about your YouTube

770
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: channel and what you're doing on the YouTube channel. Sure,

771
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: so I talk about all kinds of ship on YouTube,

772
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: my prison experience. I have a prison cooking show there,

773
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: which is just as gross as it sounds. You know,

774
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: you don't look at how it looks taste fire though,

775
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: I swear. Um. I talked about my addiction my past.

776
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: I interview a lot of people that have gone through

777
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: the same stuff that I've been through. And I'm also

778
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: really big on TikTok right now, which is total accident. Um.

779
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just my life, my life story in

780
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: my past. What's your favorite spread? It's nachos all day long,

781
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: mixed with I mean, I don't really put like noodles

782
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: in my nachos. A lot of people do that, but

783
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: I will eat a spread like they call it a log.

784
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: I'll eat that too, like nachos and a log or

785
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: the best things ever, especially if you're a little stone

786
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: to break it down for the listeners, because not everybody

787
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: knows what the spread is. Okay, So a spread is

788
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: noodles and chips and sausage and pickles and cheese all

789
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: mushed up together, and it sounds disgusting, but it's really

790
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: really good, and you have to cook it in a

791
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: bag or in a bowl with water, so people get

792
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: tripped out because you're just putting water in a bunch

793
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: of stuff together and it's like, how is this going

794
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: to be good? And it comes out and it's just

795
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: really good. It looks like a log looks disgusting. You

796
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: could add a Snickers to it if you want. I

797
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't recommend that. Uh you know it. Tell us your

798
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It's self titled Everything I Do is self

799
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Speaker 1: titled Jessica Kent, Jessica Kent Vlogs, the Jessica Kent Podcast,

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00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: and Jessicent twelve on TikTok. Fantastic and how long have

801
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: you been working on your shows. It's been a little

802
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: over two years now, nice, and do do you do?

803
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: You often talk about like your addictions as well and

804
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: everything else and you kind of just mix it all together. Yeah.

805
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I have a lot of different addiction videos. I did

806
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: a series on you know, what meth addiction is like,

807
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: what pill addiction is like, what heroin addiction is like? Um,

808
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: And I'm really raw and as open as I can

809
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: possibly be about my addiction because I think if we're

810
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: not really transparent when we're sharing about this, then someone's

811
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: going to miss something that they related to and that

812
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: might you know, push them away, or that might not

813
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: make them feel as though they have someone out there

814
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: that has been through the same thing. Sure, I'm so

815
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: proud of you for again for getting over your addiction.

816
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that. And and uh, you know, I really

817
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: think that it's important again to to have more people

818
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: step out of the green closet, but not only that

819
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: from their addictions, because a lot of us will hide

820
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: from them because of embarrassment or because of you know,

821
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: not being good enough or feeling that you know, the

822
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: people are going to judge you, and they do, you know,

823
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: and so you know, we we look at that. And

824
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here listening to you, and you have such

825
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: a beautiful voice for this, and you have you know,

826
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: you're a good looking woman, and for you to be

827
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: able to step out and tell your story, you know,

828
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it resonates with a whole lot of people.

829
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: And again, I just for me, I'm I thank you

830
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: for for sharing it on our show, because people need

831
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: to hear it, you know, people need to hear that

832
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: there's other people out there that have addictions that that

833
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: that aren't perfect, you know, and I think far from perfect.

834
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Speaker 1: If if that, you know, if you look at all

835
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: of us, we all have a actions, you know, it's

836
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: just some of us are hiding it. And I think

837
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: there's there's, you know, two types of people that you know,

838
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: there's the person that has you know, we all think

839
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: we're two two things, and when you realize that you're

840
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: only one, you will achieve more of your goals. And

841
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is the person that's sick

842
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: only wants to get better, you know. But the rest

843
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: of us are you know, I'm kind of this, I'm

844
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: kind of that, I want to do this, and we

845
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: start to, you know, spread ourselves out, and we start

846
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: to spread ourselves then and we're not really focused on

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Speaker 1: through is very powerful young ladies, So I can I

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Speaker 1: and we'd love to help you any way we can. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, so many people are going to relate to

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Speaker 1: if I'm honest, that changed the game for me. Know,

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Speaker 1: like I was hiding because I was afraid of the criticism.

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Speaker 1: But I've gotten some heat. Of course, some people have

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Speaker 1: It was hard to come out on TikTok I have there,

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Speaker 1: thank you. You know what it is, it's be proud

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Speaker 1: of yourself. Very very proud of yourself. Um, congratulations on

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Speaker 1: if you don't have a couple of haters on social media,

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Speaker 1: you haven't made it. So you so you've made it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could ignore those haters. I had to get used

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Speaker 1: thank you, ch Chan bring it. So is there anything

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Speaker 1: else that you want to share it with us before

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Speaker 1: we get on out of here? You know, just thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me and I look forward

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Speaker 1: if I can go out there and absolutely thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Jessica. That was Jessica. Can't make sure you

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