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Speaker 2: Welcome, It's good that you're here.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot to cover it today, and I

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Speaker 3: want to start because I'm not gonna have a whole

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Speaker 3: lot of time with him. The mayor of San Jose,

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Speaker 3: Matt Mayhon. We've had him on the past because he

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Speaker 3: came out. He was one of the first most prominent

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Speaker 3: Democrats to come out against proposition to go him out

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Speaker 3: in favor of Prop thirty six, which, if you remember November,

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Speaker 3: made the theft a real crime again in public drug

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Speaker 3: use and made fentinel crimes possible because fentinyl. There weren't

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Speaker 3: too many ways to punish people involved in the fentinel trade.

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Speaker 3: So Prop thirty six passed overwhelmingly because most Democrats supported

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Speaker 3: it as well. And Matt Mayhon is now taking on

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Speaker 3: another issue that has been controlled by progressive thought for

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Speaker 3: some of the cities. And what he is now proposing

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Speaker 3: is that a homeless person gets three offers of shelter

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Speaker 3: and after that you could be arrested, even put into jail.

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Speaker 3: Now how this would work. That's why we have mine.

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Speaker 3: The mayor of San Jose, Matt Mahon. Welcome, How are you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, John? Doing well? Thanks for having me back. Good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to have you on.

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Speaker 3: So explain how your proposal would work, these three offers

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Speaker 2: What would be the protocol for.

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Speaker 1: This, Yeah, well, it's as you described it. We've I'm

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Speaker 1: calling it responsibility to shelter, the basic idea being when

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Speaker 1: San Jose, we're mostly building what we call interim housing.

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Speaker 1: We're converting old dilapidated motels, doing tiny homes and prefabricated

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Speaker 1: modular units, so we're mostly building individual rooms. I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about a big old barracks with hundreds of people

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Speaker 1: about pretty dignified stuff. We were making a commitment. We're

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Speaker 1: the theory is we need to do repeated outreach. I

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Speaker 1: I'm all for giving people multiple chances. We pay to

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Speaker 1: if somebody's saying, yeah, I know you just built that

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Speaker 1: and so there has to be accountability. Now, what I'm

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Speaker 1: proposing is, at that point, the city would have the

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Speaker 1: these services we're repeatedly asking and you say no thanks,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather just stay here, living by the train tracks

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Speaker 1: or wherever you might be. At that point is the city.

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Speaker 1: We're out of tools. I mean, we have to get

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Speaker 1: this person over the county, which is the provider of

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Speaker 1: That's great. I want people to get the help that

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Speaker 3: That's always been where the conversation stopped with a lot

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: We all know about it.

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Speaker 1: What's that There hasn't been an answer, right, I mean

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Speaker 3: The answer is that you have to force them, you

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Speaker 1: Out has to be a consequence.

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Speaker 3: And so then let a judge take care of what

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Speaker 1: That's right. We just built a new site here with

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Speaker 1: counties have been able to kind of say, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's unacceptable. We can't leave people out there to die

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what happened is happening here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: been very frustrating to hear a lot of sanctimonious talk

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Speaker 3: are going, well, what is this compassion You're talking about

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Speaker 3: the dying of an overdose in the street doesn't seem

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Speaker 3: like it's a warm, friendly way to treat them. How

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Speaker 3: much did all this shelter cost? Because once again, here

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Speaker 3: here in La it's costing the city a million dollars

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Speaker 3: anybody's been able to move in for obvious reasons. What

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well most of the it's a great question.

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Speaker 1: And I, as we may have discussed last time I

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Speaker 1: that we could solve this problem at a million dollars

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Speaker 1: a door. It just doesn't scale. We can't raise taxes

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Speaker 1: So that's that's really a non starter. If you actually

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Speaker 1: for everybody who's out there, we've really prioritized prefabricated modular units.

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Speaker 1: The unit itself is pretty low cost that you can

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Speaker 1: The real cost is in finding the land, preparing the site,

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Speaker 1: so you can do food service, or have counseling root

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Speaker 1: It starts to add up. And so what we've found

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Speaker 1: is you're on the order if you want to give

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Speaker 1: at the low end, eighty thousand to well over one

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Yeah, but you know it should be

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Speaker 1: one size fits all. I'm okay with some congregated shelter

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Speaker 1: because we have to be pragmatic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so, I know. Only I've got you for

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Speaker 3: a couple more minutes. I want to ask you about

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Speaker 3: the other issue you were in the news for this week.

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Speaker 3: You have a new proposal, and this is for the

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Speaker 3: top city officials, council members, heads of departments in San

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Speaker 3: Jose that if they don't hit milestones, I guess the

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Speaker 3: solving problems, they're not going to get pay raises.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about this, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, pay for performance. It's actually how most of our

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Speaker 1: at a very high rate. We ought to, at a

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Speaker 1: minimum every year debt goals, measure performance against those goals,

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Speaker 1: we've got to keep pace with the market and attract

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Speaker 1: new people when roles open up, so fine, but any

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Speaker 1: pay raise beyond that shouldn't be automatic or assumed or

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Speaker 1: in a titlement. It should be because you've set aggressive goals,

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Speaker 1: you've measured your performance, and you've shown the public that

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Speaker 1: you've actually moved the needle, moving people off the streets,

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Speaker 3: Are you getting a lot of resistance from a fellow

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Speaker 3: Democrats city council members on this pay race thing and

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Speaker 3: also on your homeless proposal about after you know, three shots,

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Speaker 3: they can't get arrested and be jailed, be forced into treatment.

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Speaker 3: What kind of Because all these ideas have been just

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Speaker 3: nobody was allowed to speak of them out loud for

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Speaker 3: the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not the most popular guy in the building.

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Speaker 1: a contrast with the insiders, with people who are in government.

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Speaker 1: Think about it every day. I have been here a

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Speaker 1: as you say. When I go talk to the community, though,

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Speaker 1: it's nine out of ten people say that makes sense

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Speaker 3: bucks more than most other places. And it's like, why

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Speaker 3: do people put up with this because all the regulation

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Speaker 3: and all the taxes and all none of it had

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Speaker 3: had any effect on the climate.

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Speaker 2: They've tried it twenty years. Twenty years.

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Speaker 3: You let them get away with abusing you. I feel

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Speaker 3: like everybody in the state of Stockholm syndrome. They've like

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Speaker 3: developed a romantic relationship with their captors, their oppressors. Really,

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Speaker 3: I honestly think a lot of people in the state

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Speaker 3: are midt Leo. I just don't know of another species

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Speaker 3: anywhere in the world where they would willingly allow the

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Speaker 3: government to jack out the price of gas an extra

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Speaker 3: two bucks just for the heck of it, and double

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Speaker 3: the electricity costs and then claim they're out for the

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Speaker 3: working class.

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Speaker 2: The working class are the ones that get crushed.

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Speaker 3: The wealthy tech millionaires don't care what the price of

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Speaker 3: gas is or the price of electricity. It's it's all

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Speaker 3: the regular people again, the normal people. You're getting crushed.

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Speaker 2: So it's good news there.

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Speaker 3: We come back, we'll start explaining what's going on with this.

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Speaker 3: This wanna be terrorist that got a green card was

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Speaker 3: going to Columbia and was starting big protests against Israel

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Speaker 3: and against America's support of Israel. It's those college protests

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Speaker 3: from last spring. Well, uh, Mahmood Khalil one of the activists.

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Speaker 2: They want to.

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Speaker 3: Deport him, and uh, we're gonna talk. We're gonna hear

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Speaker 3: from Tom holm when we have a clip, he says

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Speaker 3: Tom Holme. Holman says Khalil is a national security threat,

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Speaker 3: and then Royal oaks to come on right after the

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Speaker 3: two o'clock news to explain the legal details on whether

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Speaker 3: they can't actually kick a Green card holder out for

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Speaker 3: this sort of behavior.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on Demand from KFI A sixty.

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Speaker 2: Coming up after two o'clock, we're going to talk with.

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Speaker 3: The ABC News legal analyst Royal Oaks to explain the

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Speaker 3: legal details of what I'm gonna tell you about right now,

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Speaker 3: and that is the Trump administration trying to deport Mahmood Khalil.

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Speaker 3: He was a grant student at Columbia University, and he

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Speaker 3: was the troublemaker who whipped up those huge protests at

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Speaker 3: Columbia that went on seem forever. Now he's here under

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Speaker 3: with a green card. And I remember when this whole

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Speaker 3: situation blew up last year, just looking at the participants

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Speaker 3: and the leaders, I thought, how many of these graduate students,

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Speaker 3: these college students are from a foreign country, and we've

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Speaker 3: given them a visa or some kind of legal residency

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Speaker 3: in this case of green card, and maybe they're getting

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Speaker 3: us subsidizing their educations. And now they're taking the freedom

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Speaker 3: they have in America to block Jewish students from attending class,

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Speaker 3: to terrorize Jewish students, and also to disrupt the entire university.

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Speaker 3: I'm one of my sons went, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: mention the exact universe city. But he went to a

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Speaker 3: real good one and a university prone to all kinds

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Speaker 3: of protests, protests that would make the news and see

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Speaker 3: him on TV. And I said to him, I go,

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Speaker 3: what are the normal again the word normal? What are

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Speaker 3: the normal students think?

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Speaker 2: And he says, they all hate it.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a pain in the neck because you

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Speaker 3: have pathways throughout the school, you know, the sidewalks blocked

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Speaker 3: off by the police or by the protesters. It takes

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Speaker 3: you an extra half hour to walk all the way

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Speaker 3: around the campus to get to your class.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's most.

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Speaker 3: Of the most of the students thought it was just nonsense,

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Speaker 3: even if.

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Speaker 2: They privately agreed. They're there, they're there to do business.

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Speaker 3: A university is a place of business for the students

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Speaker 3: whose families are paying tens of thousands of dollars to

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Speaker 3: go I mean Columbia University. I mean, I bet you

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Speaker 3: that's seventy five thousand dollars a year at least, And

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Speaker 3: then you have these lunatics like Mahmood Khalil.

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Speaker 2: Turns out he was hearing a green card.

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Speaker 3: And he's denying Jewish students, American citizens, the right to

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Speaker 3: get educated, the right to go to class. Well, the

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Speaker 3: hell is he And I figured, you know what, bit

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Speaker 3: you we got to stop leading letting these these students.

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Speaker 2: In the country. Block him, don't let him set.

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Speaker 3: Foot off the plane, cancel their visas, deport him, send

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Speaker 3: him back, get rid of these programs that allow them in.

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Speaker 3: They just come here to cause trouble out. That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, Khalil's green card was revoked by the Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: They were going to deport him, but a federal judge,

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Speaker 3: Jesse Furman, has intervened and he wants everyone to appear

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Speaker 3: in court and from an order that Khalil be allowed

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Speaker 3: at least one phone call on Wednesday, and it's today

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Speaker 3: and then Thursday. And because apparently the ICE people weren't

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Speaker 3: letting a letting him make any calls. Here is Tom Holman.

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Speaker 3: Trump'sporters are describing Khalil.

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Speaker 5: This is actually direct directly contractor the United States Foreign Policy.

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Speaker 5: That's a Secretary of State. That's a charge on the

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Speaker 5: Secretary of State. We consider a national security threat. When

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Speaker 5: you're on campus, they say, and I hear your freeom

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Speaker 5: of speech, freedom of speech, freedom speech. Can you stay

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Speaker 5: in a movie theater and yell fire? Can you slander somebody? Bourbon?

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Speaker 5: Free speech has limitations, But when you go to college campus,

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Speaker 5: you incite protesting and locking down and taking over buildings

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Speaker 5: and damaging property and handing out leaflets for hamas who

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Speaker 5: is a terrorist organization coming to this country either on

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Speaker 5: a visa or becoming the resident. Ailing is a great

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Speaker 5: privilege where there are rules associated with that. You might

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Speaker 5: have been able to get away with that stuff on

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Speaker 5: the last administration, but you want in this administration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, screaming support for a terrorist organization and blocking Jewish

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Speaker 3: students from going to class. Yeah, revoke the green card

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Speaker 3: when we come back. Royal Oaks, ABC News Legal Analyst.

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Speaker 3: He's going to go through the legal path whether revoking

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Speaker 3: is possible under the rules the constitution. We've got in

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