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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Burnette, Elizabeth Dutton. Is that you? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: But I know you do, and I got an answer

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Speaker 4: for you. You're ready, Okay? Elvis Presley, Okay, ridiculous? Did you

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Speaker 4: know that dude had some goth in him?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: He wanted to be like rockabilly goth. He was after

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Speaker 4: that Edgier look psycho. He was really a blonde. He

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Speaker 4: dyed his hair black so he would look tough.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: I know he was a natural blonde, total blonde, like

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Speaker 2: real blonde, and he died eyebrows and hair black so

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Speaker 2: he could be like, I'm tough, Elvis. I come from

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Speaker 2: the streets.

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Speaker 4: It's like if he needed like a touch up, he'd

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Speaker 4: like see like a shoeshine guy and be like, hey man,

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Speaker 4: can you touch up my side?

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Speaker 3: What are there any pictures of him blonde?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, I can find one for you. Just

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Speaker 2: why I just picture Elvis Presley is a blonde.

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Speaker 3: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: Did he die everything? Oh? Did the apes match the carpet?

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Speaker 2: Is the question?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. If the hound dog rolled that way.

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Speaker 3: I think he was just completely bare from the neck down.

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Speaker 2: He was more concerned about his blue suede shoes.

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Speaker 3: He was he had just yes, move no hare anywhere anyway.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous, Blonde Elvis.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I am not a crook, way, my boy, Tricky Dick.

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 3: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Saren, Elizabeth, remember the Hole

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Speaker 3: in the Ground game. I talked about how La is

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Speaker 3: the bank robbery capital of the world. Completely, it's quite

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Speaker 3: a distinction, it is, well, Zaren. Yes, we're back at it.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I love it La. I love robbing banks.

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Speaker 3: I know La bank robbery. I love robbing La Banks

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Speaker 3: with you. I'm gonna be honest here. I thought I

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Speaker 3: already did this one, okay, like not the heist in

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Speaker 3: real life, but like I thought, I already told you

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Speaker 3: about it, and then I and then I remembered how

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Speaker 3: it all went down. See when I was writing my outline,

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Speaker 3: which I don't know if I've spelled this out here

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Speaker 2: Wall for a second fourth wall.

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Speaker 3: When we do these shows, the person telling the story

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Speaker 3: comes up with an outline of the story and points

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Speaker 3: that they want to make, and the other person has

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Speaker 3: no idea what story they're going to hear, so there's

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Speaker 3: no script that we back and forth. Anyway, I was

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Speaker 3: writing my outline for.

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Speaker 2: The whole Now that's how that magic trick works.

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Speaker 3: A little behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Watch what producer Dave is wearing next.

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Speaker 4: I mean every time he wears a special outfit, and

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I was writing my outline for the Hole in

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Speaker 3: the Ground Gang, and I had some intro stories that

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Speaker 3: I included amuse boosch as you often say. So I

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Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, let it have its journey.

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Speaker 3: But I'd written a chunk of it before scrapping it. Ah,

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Speaker 3: And because I'm me, I didn't save what I wrote.

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Speaker 3: Just delete, delete, delete, that's what.

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Speaker 2: You zero, lie.

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Speaker 3: Well, it gave me deja vu when I started writing

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Speaker 3: to be fair, will likely happen at some point because

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Speaker 3: you know me. Well, oh well that said. This is

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Speaker 3: the United California Bank.

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Speaker 2: Robbery, United California.

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Speaker 3: United California Bank. Of course, it's a Los Angeles based

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Speaker 3: banking institution, one hundred and seventeen bank branches throughout California.

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Speaker 3: UCB started in eighteen sixty eight as the San Francisco Bank,

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Speaker 3: and then it expanded all through southern California. You know,

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Speaker 3: sold to Sanwa in nineteen seventy two. Yeah, nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this particular branch I'm going to tell you about

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Speaker 3: was the United California Bank in Laguna Neguel An affluent community.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very nice, that's a This.

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Speaker 3: Is like it was a small branch bank in like

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Speaker 3: CPK California Pizza Kitchen.

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Speaker 4: And even though I was only inuntil then California for

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Speaker 4: a while, I still call it the PCACH instead of

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Speaker 3: People only say, yeah, you do rid of them, You

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Speaker 3: do the whole the article in front of the highway.

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Speaker 3: So I say highway five, you say the five five.

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Speaker 3: I say I'm going to get on five eighty. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just say five eight anyway. That's a

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Speaker 3: that's a Northern California Southern California distinct.

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Speaker 4: People used to say, though that they don't say anymore,

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Speaker 3: I lived in the South, they would call it number whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, number nine. Yeah, that's very much the highway system.

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Speaker 3: So now that we've gotten that up, of course, yes,

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Speaker 3: not CBK California Pizza Kitchen. There's an embankment between where

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Speaker 3: this bank is and pH, so you really I can't

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Speaker 3: see the highway from the bank, and you can't see

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Speaker 3: the Ocean from there either, even though it's right there,

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: It totally killed my vibe.

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Speaker 2: Like they wouldn't let the Google truck dragged.

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Speaker 3: The little man to the map. They don't let the

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Speaker 3: Google trucks. Sometimes that happens in like gated communities, but

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Speaker 3: then tried to look up on Google street View. But

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of a cove. I do the heist crew.

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Speaker 3: I'll get to on a moment. They made a bunch

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Speaker 3: of scouting trips to this place. They checked out the

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Speaker 3: And they weren't local. They were operating out of Ohio. Wow,

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Speaker 3: it's a long way from Ohio to Lagoon and again.

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Speaker 4: And it's not a spot you would pick. You never

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Speaker 3: Twenty four hundred miles from their base. It was back

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Speaker 3: in a warehouse in Ohio that they built a replica

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 3: I know they were practiced breaking into safety deposit boxes there.

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Speaker 3: This couldn't have been a cheap undertaking.

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Speaker 2: No, the sounds finance.

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Speaker 3: What it tells you, though, is that the expected hall is.

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Speaker 2: Going to be gay. Yes, they know something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this heist crew, let's meet them. Please come along.

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Speaker 3: We'll start with the ring leader, Emal Dincio. Okay, and

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Speaker 3: he was born in Goshen, Ohio, in nineteen thirty six.

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Speaker 3: broke into hundreds of banks at night in high school.

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Speaker 3: According to Emil quote, banks were like gifts. Somebody gives

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Speaker 3: you a gift, you take it. We weren't out there

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Speaker 2: We're looking for fun. We're young, we're dumb. We like gifts.

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Speaker 3: So Emil he was linked to a minimum dozen bank

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Speaker 3: burglaries that took place all throughout the sixties and seventies,

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Speaker 3: so this makes him one of the USA's most successful

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Speaker 3: James took care of explosives. Emil said, quote there was

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Speaker 3: top of the heat. Oh completely, So they brought in

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Speaker 3: other experienced criminals to back them up. There was Charlie

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Speaker 3: the Creep for real. Yeah totally. So he was from

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Speaker 2: Or the Broccoli Guy.

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Speaker 3: But is Brockel So he was a burglar. He's also

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Speaker 2: Oh sounds fun.

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Speaker 3: Then there was the Dencio's nephew, Harry Barber.

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Speaker 2: See I'm telling you, Harry Calf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was an accomplished thief and he was a

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Speaker 3: great getaway driver. So he was born an alliance A

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Speaker 3: moved to southern California with his family in nineteen fifty

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally go out. Moved to the desert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So it was in southern California that he learned

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Speaker 2: It's a great place to do it, especially at that

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Speaker 3: Late fifties early sixties. He got forty one speeding tickets.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so he also got his license.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, usually you can't get that high.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't. His parents were totally tired of his antics,

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Speaker 3: so they sent him to live with his grandma in Ohio, Ohio. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're like, you got to go back there. He goes

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Speaker 3: job working for Uncle Emil. So next we have Emil's

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Speaker 3: brother in law, Charles Mulligan, another crook, and lastly Phil Christopher.

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Speaker 3: He was an alarm thief and he was known as

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Speaker 3: like a super thief in Cleveland. He was the super

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Speaker 3: thief of Cleveland. So we got Emil, James, the thief

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Speaker 3: of Cleveland, Brockel, Barber, Mulligan, and.

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Speaker 2: Christopher that's on the back of a satin jacket.

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Speaker 3: Totally. This is the heist crew. Yes, they have one target,

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Speaker 3: not just the United California Bank UCB and not upright

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Speaker 3: citizens breed. No, they were also after thirty million dollars

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Speaker 3: in that day.

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Speaker 2: They knew that thirty million would be there.

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Speaker 3: That Richard Nixon reportedly got as a campaign bribe from

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Speaker 3: notorious mobster posing as a union man, Jimmy Hoffa.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So they're after half his money that he gave

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Speaker 2: to Nixon on the sly and they know it's there,

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Speaker 3: March eighth, nineteen seventy two, Ronald Barber, Emil's nephew, he

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Speaker 2: This is all this left out just hanging out.

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Speaker 4: These guys really got the Scooby Doo treatment for these

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Speaker 3: Well, the tools they were not tied to the bank

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Speaker 3: After dark, they disabled the alarm system. They sprayed surfboard

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: And the creator of the foam, Gordon Grubby Clark, in

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Speaker 3: So that hardened foam kept the alarm clapper from ringing

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Speaker 3: I love it completely. Sheriff's detective James Sidebotham.

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Speaker 3: This is what he said about this whole alarm trick. Quote.

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Speaker 3: I guess they're like trying to muffle they so the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're basically trying to blow a hole in the road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what coublamoblamo. After the blast emial,

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Speaker 3: he melted the vault's rebar reinforcements with a blowtorch sixteen

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Speaker 3: so at first the men only took the bank's loose cash,

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Speaker 3: which was like a little over fifty two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's still a good haul.

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Speaker 3: E Meal, Chuck Mulligan, Ronald Barber. They went back to

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Speaker 3: And Mulligan's like, I'll go with you. I'm a little hungry.

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Speaker 3: So he gets back to the house. The three guys leave,

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Speaker 3: so like let's go back and let's see what's going

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Speaker 3: for another almost sixteen hours. Four hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 2: The bad sledgehammer in.

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Speaker 3: Those boxes twelve million dollars in bonds, cash, and jewelry,

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Speaker 3: more than we did. Evidently they were there. Some of

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna take me to Ohio?

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Speaker 3: Now, No, we're gonna stay at California for that. So

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Speaker 3: This is the one that wouldn't open until the bank

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Speaker 3: They sent the locksmith up into the crawl space to

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: He sees the blast hole. Yeah, So once the bank

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Speaker 2: Why would people have their beloved family members in.

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Speaker 3: A safety posit I don't know, is that a thing anyway?

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Speaker 2: They calling the fbis like I didn't do this.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I had no part of this. A detective

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Speaker 2: Not James Conway quote, it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't take a detective to figure out that this burglary

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Speaker 2: Oh there were.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty five FBI agents assigned to the case.

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Speaker 2: Damn one hundred and twenty five. They really want to get.

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Speaker 3: This, Oh yeah, definitely. At this point, it's like one

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Speaker 4: It's possibly involving Nixon's thirty million dollars of bingo.

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Speaker 3: So the FEDS they had a good clue in their pocket.

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Speaker 3: One of the bank customers saved her deposit box memento currency,

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Speaker 4: Okay, it wasn't even like this is a drakma.

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Speaker 3: It was like no, not even that. It was like

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Speaker 3: even yeah, I went. Yeah, And then but she kept

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Speaker 3: she recorded all the serial numbers, like I guess she

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Speaker 2: That's a bizarre I mean whatever, they.

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Speaker 3: Have all this cash and the serial numbers for them

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Speaker 3: now they just have to find it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: So two months after the Lagoon and Nigel heist.

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Speaker 2: On May four, for the FBI.

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Speaker 3: Right May four two, the vault of a small branch

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Speaker 3: bank in Lordstown, Ohio gets broken into. It had all

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Speaker 3: Meal's crew did it. They got four hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: Which is a lot that good at that time.

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Speaker 3: Ye, why why so much cash in there?

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Speaker 2: Why so much cash?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. It was the cash for the

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Speaker 2: Oh, the Lordstown plant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so now they done did it?

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Speaker 3: So by May twenty fifth, Emil Mulligan, Christopher Barber, they're

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Speaker 3: who else we talked about HAFA teamsters.

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00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm wondering about this when the unions and

442
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: the mafia come involve.

443
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: So the FEDS they figured the guys had to get

444
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 3: from LA to Ohio, and they also had to get

445
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: from Ohio to LA. They checked rental car records, airline manifests.

446
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: Their fingerprints were found on tickets dated March fifteenth traveling

447
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: from Cleveland to LA. These are the tickets that they

448
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: had on their way to get.

449
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 2: To heist, flying to the heist.

450
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the FBI wouldn't say how they got

451
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: a tip to search thousands of United Airlines tickets in

452
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: their files. But this is where they say that the

453
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: investigation really like kicked off. This is the beginning of it.

454
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 3: So with the airline tickets as a lead, the FBI

455
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: tracked down a cab driver who remembered picking up the

456
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 3: group and driving them to ninety eight oh three San

457
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: Carlos Avenue in Southgate Total and Southgate is where Barber

458
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 3: had landed he when he was sent out as a kid. Oh. Interesting,

459
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: So there's like this house is like a cute little

460
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 3: two bed, one bath stucco house. It's only seven and

461
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: twenty eight square feet. He has a tiny house. It

462
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: was the home of Ken and Viola Barber.

463
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, those homes were built prefer to

464
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: be workers home.

465
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, exactly, So Ken and Viola Barber. Viola is

466
00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: Emil's sister and Harry and Ronnie's mom. So the cabby,

467
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 3: super nice guy from Ghana. He remembered them because they

468
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: gave him a one hundred dollars tip at the time. Wow,

469
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: they showed the cab driver a picture of meal Yep.

470
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: Generosity dooms Yeah exactly.

471
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: So now Ronald and Viola were in on this too.

472
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 3: They were subpoenaed on May thirty. First, FBI agents found

473
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: registration forms that the Dincio brothers had filled out, and

474
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: Chuck Mulligan's name was on there too when they stayed

475
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: at the Jubilee Motor Inn back in February of nineteen

476
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: seventy two, and they got records of phone calls made

477
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 3: from the motel to the Dawson house in Tustin. So

478
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: Earl Dawson lives in Tustin. June second, nineteen seventy two,

479
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: FBI agent's James Conway, James Conway and Frank Cally they

480
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: went to Dawson's house but no one was home. A

481
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: neighbor is like, oh, you looking for Earl? Like yeah,

482
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 3: we're looking for him.

483
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: He's like, where's Early Ben.

484
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: He's down at the bar down the street, and they're

485
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: like okay. So then they go down there and there's

486
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: Earl playing holding of friend. So they drag him home

487
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: for questioning. It goes on for hours. They're in there

488
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: with him drunk. Yeah, but remember how Dawson had been

489
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: a marine, so had Callie, and he used that to

490
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: establish a connection between the two. And and so you

491
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: know you quote you served your country well, Callie said

492
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: to Dawson, outside of a couple of drunk driving things,

493
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: You've never been in trouble, but these people used you.

494
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: Earl answers him quote, I was always a little suspicious.

495
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: Got him.

496
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then Dawson, while they're having this interrogation in

497
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: his house, Dawson gets a phone call Caller Mulligan, and

498
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: he's like, listen, I'm going to beat your house in

499
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: a couple hours. I need to pick up that old

500
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: smobile and go get rid of it. And uh, Dawson said,

501
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, said Mulligan told him. Mulligan's on there. Like,

502
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm kind of worried. I'm being followed right now, and

503
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and lose the tale. But go

504
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: to this bar called the Walnut Room and I'll meet

505
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: up with you there. And so special Agent Cali, with

506
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: Dawson's permission, had been eavesdropping on the phone. Can I

507
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: tell you a little bit about the Walnut Room in Tustin, California?

508
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: No, of course, yes, I want to know about the

509
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: Walnut Rooms.

510
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: Heard he is a serious dive bar in a strip mall. Yes,

511
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: it's currently between a ninety nine cent store and a

512
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: hot pot place.

513
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: Perfect. Got hungry, I don't have a headache, and you

514
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: need some tile and all. I don't know.

515
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what was there in the seventies though

516
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: it currently has a four point three Yale rating. I

517
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 3: mean it's a high rating. They have like, you know, books,

518
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: some bar maids, and that's like one of their selling points,

519
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: and they advertise as a dive bar. So anyway, that's

520
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: where they have an Instagram. So the Walnut Room, Dawson.

521
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: He gets off the phone with Mulligan, Cali and Conway.

522
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: They call their superior special agent, James Cagna Sola. He

523
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: gets search warrant for the Olds eighty eight. Judge signs

524
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: it off. It's eight at night, eight as fast as

525
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: he can. Oh, yeah, signs it off. The agents. They

526
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: popped the trunk of the car and they find the

527
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: burglary tools.

528
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: Oo.

529
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: They also found three gold coins that belonged to a

530
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: Laguna beach man who said they were lost from his

531
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: safety deposit box when it had been robbed.

532
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: Ma Cannix.

533
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Dawson heads over to the Walnut Room waits for Mulligan.

534
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 3: Mulligan breezes in at eleven at night. The cab driver

535
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 3: who took Mulligan to the Walnut Room later tells the

536
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 3: FBI that the ride he gave to Mulligan was like

537
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: a doozy. He drove Mulligan from Lax to Hollywood to Tustin. Wow,

538
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: and he had to take a bunch of side trips.

539
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: Mulligan's like, okay, cover here, no, no, no, to go around

540
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: this way, go back to that seven eleven, trying to

541
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: lose tale.

542
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: See that church down the road, go there, pull map

543
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: parking lot.

544
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So Mulligan had the cab driver sit with

545
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: him in Dawson for twenty minutes while he waited for

546
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: a tale to show.

547
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: Up, and wonder what they talked about.

548
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: I don't know. But what he didn't know is that

549
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 3: the agents were already sitting at the bar.

550
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: Exactly, just waiting, Like, could you can't hear already Mulligan.

551
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: He eventually lets the cab driver go, starts talking to Dawson,

552
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: and Dawson's like, Chuck, do you have something to do

553
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: with that two million dollar bank robbery and Lagun and

554
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Miguel and Mulligan says, now, Earle, you know me better

555
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: than that. Besides it was more like five million this guy.

556
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: Uh So they like sit there and they're chatting like

557
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 3: another hour and a half.

558
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: These guys are such the side characters of a TV show,

559
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: you know, like the seventies TV show.

560
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So Mulligan agrees to stay the night at

561
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 3: Dawson's house, okay, and they leave the bar, but in

562
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 3: the parking lot the FBI, of course, yeah.

563
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: Everywhere at the FBI.

564
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: At this point, Sheriff's Sergeant Roberts said, quote, Mulligan was

565
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: one of the coolest men I have ever seen in

566
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: that situation. Usually a guy I'll try and give you

567
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: some smart comeback, but he just didn't say a word.

568
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 3: So he keeps all the quips for his friends.

569
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: It's not giving away for free Mulligan.

570
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: They booked him in la rather than Orange County because

571
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: they didn't want the rest of the gang to catch

572
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 3: wind of the arrest. But that didn't work because a

573
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: reporter was monitoring the police scanner and got the information

574
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: right from a dispatcher.

575
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: They hear the name.

576
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Ronald Barber disappeared from his Southgate apartment and

577
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: stayed gone for eight years.

578
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: Smart man.

579
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: He wound up living under an alias in rural Pennsylvania.

580
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: That alias Tiki Barber.

581
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: So he said, quote, everybody knew that I didn't like

582
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: the cold, so I figured the last place they'd look

583
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: for me was where it would be cold. I used

584
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: to send them postcards all the time from Florida and

585
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: Hawaii wishing them Merry Christmas. I throw them off the scent.

586
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: I like that A smart move, right.

587
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: June thirteenth, nineteen seventy two. So we're like a few

588
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: months after the robbery or burglary, I should say. The

589
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: agents checked Ronald's phone records and saw that he made

590
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: calls to a lagoon in nic gall number that was

591
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: the real estate agent that he rented the townhouse three months.

592
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: The real estate agent led the FBI agents to the

593
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: town home, and then that's where they found these guys

594
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: hadn't cleaned up everything. There were dirty dishes. No, they

595
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: tried to clean up most of them, Oh really, but

596
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: they didn't clean up the kitchen. And there were fingerprints

597
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: on the dirty dishes of Dincio. The barber brothers, Mulligan

598
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: and Christopher.

599
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: I bet also in the bathroom.

600
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably June twenty first FBI agents they arrested the

601
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: alarm guy, Phil Christopher in the closet of his house.

602
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: They found I thought they read in the closet of

603
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: his house, he's.

604
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: The arrested alarm guy Phil Christopher.

605
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: Period.

606
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: In the closet of his house, Comma, they found a

607
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: paper bag that had like a little over thirty two

608
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in the majority of it still in the

609
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: bank wrappers in the vands. Yeah, there were two loose

610
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: fivers that were also in the bag, and those turned

611
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: out to be some of the memento currency. Girl yep,

612
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: that she had all the vacation money serial numbers. Zarin,

613
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: close you out. Please do you want to do? I

614
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: want you to picture it. It's June twenty sixth, nineteen

615
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: seventy two. You are an eight year old boy. You've

616
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: been peppering your uncle with endless questions about his time

617
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: in World War Two. He was in the Pacific Theater.

618
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: He tells you harrowing tales of his time and the

619
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: seabe's working day and night to shore up Henderson Field

620
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: in the Solomon Islands. He tells you of the backbreaking work,

621
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: the onslaught of artillery fire they took from the Japanese

622
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: during the Guadalcanal Campaign, the high stakes of it all,

623
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: freedom and liberty across the globe or at risk, he

624
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: tells you. He also tells you about the gold bars

625
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: he and his buddies found in the downed Japanese zero,

626
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: and how they dug a hole and they buried them

627
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: in the sandy soil along the airstrip, knowing that one

628
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: day they would return to dig them up and live

629
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: like kings. What he doesn't tell you is that all

630
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: of this is a fiction. He doesn't tell you that

631
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: he has flat feet, connect the fact that he has

632
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: coke bottle glasses and has always had them, even in

633
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: photos of from when he was a kid. He doesn't

634
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: tell you that he pushed paper at the Combined Munition's

635
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: Assignment Board in Washington, DC during the war. He filed

636
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: papers and he typed up notes. He was part of

637
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: important work, to be sure, but it wasn't death defying.

638
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Or heroic worst injury paper cut.

639
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: Yes, but you don't know that. No. All you know

640
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: is that your uncle Bart is a war hero. Who

641
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: tells amazing stories of adventure and daring do. And now

642
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: it's Monday, June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy two. School is

643
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: out and you're standing in front of your house in Youngstown, Ohio.

644
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: Cars whiz by as you stare across the street. Last

645
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: night you looked out your window and seen a man

646
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: digging a hole in the empty lot across the street.

647
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: You watched as he put something into the earth. Was

648
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: it an old buddy of your uncle, come to plant

649
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: their riches for him? You are determined to get to

650
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: what you are now sure are gold bars, untold wealth

651
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: destined for your brave uncle. You jog across the street,

652
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: garden spade in hand. You see right away that there's

653
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: a patch of disturbed earth that's been stomped down to

654
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: avoid detection. Suddenly you are at Henderson Field in the

655
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: Solomon Islands. It's humid. You hear planes and artillery fire

656
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: in the distance. Explosions detonate, and you know the enemy

657
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: is getting nearer. You drop to the ground and crawl

658
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: on your belly toward the spot in the dirt in coming.

659
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: You yell as you roll and tumble quickly to your

660
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: right and keep scooting forward. The inner life, the interior

661
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: movie playing in the mind of an eight year old

662
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: boy is a thing of wonder. You reach the hole

663
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: and you start digging. Machine gun fire rages in the

664
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: distance as warplanes buzz you. Your shovel hit something hard.

665
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: You scramble to pull it out of the ground. It's

666
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: a thermois You open the thermos and there it is bills,

667
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: a giant wad of cash. Suddenly a shadow is cast

668
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: above you. Someone stands over you. It's not an enemy combatant.

669
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: It's not one of your fellow CEB's at your mom.

670
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: She asked what you have, and you sheepishly handed over

671
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: ninety eight thousand dollars belonging to a meal Dinzio. The

672
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: next day, Dincio was arrested. Good job, Saron, Hey me

673
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: and my ma so. Ten hours after the arrest, his

674
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: home was searched and a gold plated silver dollar coin

675
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: was found, as well as a twenty dollars bill in

676
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: his mother in law's purse, and both of those items

677
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: got tracked back to the United California Job. Soon enough,

678
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: LA federal grand jury issued indictments charging Dincio, Mulligan, Christopher,

679
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: and the Barber Brothers. Let's take a break, Tiki and Ronde. Yes,

680
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: we've taken a look at the how. When we come back,

681
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: we'll investigate the why.

682
00:33:45,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: Ooh hello Elizabeth, Hello, Elizabeth, Elizabeth.

683
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: Zaren United California Bank robbery Elizabeth. Emil Dencio just go yeah,

684
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: totally totally busted. He's like, shakedown, breakdown.

685
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: You're busted.

686
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: There's his neighbor kid. Apparently his daughter wound up like

687
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: hating the neighbor kid. Really, yeah, because he's like, I

688
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: always hated that kid, the one who does yeah, yeah,

689
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: I think she went on to become a public defender,

690
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken.

691
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: Oh really, one of those like the Juliani flip.

692
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: My dad's a gangster, the public defender with her same

693
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: name and who cares. So there's a trial and I'll

694
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: talk about that. But let's look at something Emil told

695
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: that La Times on November twenty sixth, nineteen seventy. Oh

696
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: that's quote. Just wait till this thing is over. I'll

697
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: give you a story, a real story. They're a bunch

698
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: of frame artists. Oh so, Cordy Nomil quote. In May

699
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: of nineteen seventy two, high level government officials ordered FBI

700
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: agents to steal items, including flashlight batteries from my garage

701
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: to find my fingerprints to plant as evidence, and then

702
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: they used the theft to convict me for the nineteen

703
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 3: seventy two bank burglary in Laguna Neguel, California. They then

704
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: covered up the agent's theft. The FBI director falsified dates

705
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: on FBI laboratory reports, and the Attorney General at the

706
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: time ordered his assistant US Attorney, John F. Walter to

707
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: prepare and suborn false testimony for FBI and civilian government witnesses.

708
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: Of course, to get to d'anzio. I mean, like everyone knows,

709
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: he was pretty much crime boss number one, so he

710
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: thought that this would help help his case.

711
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: Apparently, in the early odds, reporter Keith Sharon he tracked

712
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: down Harry Barber, the getaway driver. He took Barber out

713
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: to dinner in exchange for details about the heist.

714
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: Why that they just hit it off? No, but they

715
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: did meet.

716
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: Up at a Denny's in Diamond bar California.

717
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

718
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: Good eggs, though, so Barbera said. It was Jimmy Hoffa

719
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: who clued in a Meal to the thirty million.

720
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: Dollars inside job.

721
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Barbera says, Hoffa told him about the campaign

722
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: money that was being kept at the Lagoon in Negel Bank,

723
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: hidden there by Nixon. Keith Sharing, the journalist said quote,

724
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: Nixon would meet with donors, and Nixon would say, if

725
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: you can give me a million dollars, you can give

726
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 3: me two million dollars. Nixon would take their extorted campaign

727
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: contributions and he would hide it somewhere in One of

728
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 3: those places was lagun in Neguel, California. It makes sense

729
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: he was from around there.

730
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: Oh, it totally makes sense.

731
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: So in nineteen seventy one, there was the nineteen seventy

732
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: one Federal Election Campaign Act, and before that there wasn't

733
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: a limit on like the methods that politicians could.

734
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Use contributions, right, Yeah.

735
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: So this deadline's approaching on the new law, and then

736
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: politicians were just like desperate to do a money grab.

737
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: How much can we get like a dry sponge.

738
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: Nixon head of the pack, which, like I'm telling you, tricky. Yeah.

739
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: And so one of his cash grabs was from the

740
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 3: International Brotherhood of Teamsters led by Jimmy Hoffa.

741
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: I wonder when he was dangling before them at the time.

742
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: Haffa was four years into a thirteen year prison sentence

743
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: for bribery and jury tampering. So Nixon made a deal.

744
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll give you a pardon. Of course, it's

745
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: going to cost you. You got to give me three

746
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: million in cash and the teamster's endorsement because that's like

747
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: a democratic endorsement.

748
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: They work.

749
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: Plus Haffa would be banned from all union activities for

750
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: eight years. So Haffa gets out in seventy one because

751
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: his sentence is commuted by Nixon. He uses his mob

752
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 3: connections to find out where Nixon is hiding the teamsters money.

753
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 3: So he's like, i'll give you three million. I'm about

754
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: to steal it right back. He wanted revenge on Nixon

755
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: because he lost his teamster's president year.

756
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: Sure, so he gets.

757
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: In touch with Dincio to steal it back. According to Haffa,

758
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: most of the money that Nixon had aside from his

759
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: teamster's money, was from extorting dairy farmers in exchange for

760
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: raising the price of milk milk. Oh and this was

761
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: infamously referred to as Nixon's milk money.

762
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's what that's wow.

763
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: According to Barber, quote Nixon was not one of our

764
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: favorite people to begin with. We were told that Nixon

765
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: was hiding some money.

766
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: Nixon wasn't even Nixon's favorite people.

767
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: So we figured he wouldn't cry to nobody. Who's he

768
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: going to cry to? He stole it himself exactly. He

769
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: can't call it cop exactly. So March two thousand and three,

770
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: Keith Sharon he wrote an article for the Orange County

771
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: Register called Bang for the Bucks. Good paper, Yeah, it

772
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: is a good paper. In it, he said that Dencio

773
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: and his crew took the job to steal the thirty

774
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: million in milk money. Emil said, quote, really, we were

775
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: after two boxes to start with President Nixon's boxes, so

776
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: we got them first and got the money out of

777
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: there and secured it. Was real nice that he doesn't

778
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: want to talk about the others.

779
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: But was it the thirty mel? Did they rob Nixon

780
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: or not?

781
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 3: They apparently it sounds like they did.

782
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: But then what did the money it gets?

783
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 3: It gets vanished. So back to nineteen seventy two. In July,

784
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 3: while he's incarcerated in a waiting trial, Dincio, he gets

785
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: chummy with a fellow burglar, Richard Arthur Gabriel. Gabriel. He

786
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: would later testify that between July twenty fifth and August tenth,

787
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: he and Dencio had about seventy five conversations during which

788
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: Dincio gave Gabriel lessons on bank robbery. Sure you know,

789
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: it was a mentor mentee situation, and he and he

790
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: fully admitted his involvement in the heightst and so Denzio

791
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: told him that he picked that branch quote because there

792
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: were a lot of rich and retired people in the area,

793
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: and there was an obstacle near the bank, so you

794
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: couldn't be seen. So he's not telling him the Nixon. Sure, Dincio,

795
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: he told Gabriel that he wasn't worried about Dawson as

796
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: a witness because Dawson was quote blind in one eye

797
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: and couldn't see very well out of the other. He

798
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: can't identify me in court. We'll see and here's well,

799
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: actually he's wrong. So not about being blind in one

800
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: I think he was, But Dawson was able to identify

801
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: Dincio in from thirty feet away.

802
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, he's got one good.

803
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: One good eye. So Gabriel said, quote, he stopped me

804
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: one day and asked if I knew anyone who owned

805
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 3: or managed an apartment or motel. He said he wanted

806
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: to be able to register so he could place himself

807
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 3: there during the time of the burglary, and then Dencio

808
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: also asked Gabriel if he quote knew a girl who

809
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: could get to say she was with him at the time.

810
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: He's just alibi shopping, you.

811
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: Know, abroad. Hey, I just see someone.

812
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: So Dincio offers Gabriel twenty thousand dollars in negotiable bonds

813
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: from the heist. By August fourteenth, Gabriel's free, he's out

814
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: of jail working with the FBI. So Dencio he was

815
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: able to eventually bond out. His family put up everything

816
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: they could as collateral, and he kept in touch with Gabriel.

817
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: There were penthals.

818
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's like, I've told you everything that I shouldn't

819
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: be telling.

820
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: So now we're fat one time at prison camp.

821
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: So he reaches out to him, like, hey remember me.

822
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: Gabriel's like, I will totally arrange for your alibi. I

823
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: got you boo. So Dncio he just he's like on

824
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: the edge of having this alibi. Gabriel's like, you just

825
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: have to call this person and set up the details

826
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: with them. I can't presume to know what you want

827
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: to say. And so Dencio calls that person was an

828
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 3: FBI agent recording the entire conversation.

829
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: So, if you're a criminal and somebody tells you you

830
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: need to make a contract with a killer or someone

831
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: for an alibi, it's going to be a federally.

832
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Federal right time.

833
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Gabriel also is told by Dncio that there's

834
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: a plot to have Dawson murdered to keep him from testifying.

835
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: I was wondering about that.

836
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: Turns around, he's like, look, Feds, I got even more information.

837
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: This guy is just a conduit of information to the

838
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: FBI that gets used in court, that little bit of information.

839
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: So Gabriel testified, and then the prosecution rested within an hour,

840
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: and then the next day, on October twenty seventh, at

841
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: the very end of the day, the jury read their

842
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: verdict guilty on all charges of bank burglary, conspiracy, and larsening.

843
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, we got I'm going to hit the weekend. Yeah.

844
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: The stolen items still needed to be recovered, though, sure,

845
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: and it was rumored that they hid everything scattered across

846
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: the country, But I mean, think about it. Didn feels

847
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: like burying it in the thermos across the street if

848
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: it wasn't for you. Over the years, some of the

849
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: items have been recovered, but the majority of it remains

850
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: missing to this day.

851
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: Really yeah, like the million of Nixon's money.

852
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: Probably many of the bank holders just couldn't remember what

853
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: they had in the boxes, and others never reported.

854
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: They have that memory work for really rich people. They

855
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: have the worst memory that some.

856
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: They couldn't even reach some of them. We need to

857
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: talk about what was in.

858
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: Your don't remember how to answer a phone?

859
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, the heist it inspired books, films, documentaries, masterminds. On

860
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: Court TV, they did an episode about it and called

861
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: a Meal's crew quote the best bank burglary crew that

862
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: the FBI has ever seen. And they said that a

863
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: Meal had quote planned it for months, executed it to perfection,

864
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: and stole millions from the ultra secure vault. It was

865
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: the most amazing bank burglary in history.

866
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: It was the best show.

867
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Oh did we hear that? A lot?

868
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: We do. There's a lot of superlatives thrown around about

869
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: bank robbers.

870
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: Director Mark Stephen Johnson. Oh, he made a movie about

871
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: the heist titled Finding Steve McQueen. Oh yeah, I've seen,

872
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: and he said, quote, it's an amazing story. It's one

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Speaker 3: of those When I first read the script, I thought

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Speaker 3: that can't be true. I kept googling it, thinking, how

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Speaker 3: did I not know about this story. This gang of

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Speaker 3: guys from Youngstown said let's go to California and rip

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Speaker 3: off the president of the US. They hated Nixon so

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Speaker 3: much they decided to go through with it, even though

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Speaker 3: they knew the risks. It's this strangely perfect footnote in

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Speaker 3: American history.

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Speaker 4: I got agree with them too, and ripping off Nixon,

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Speaker 4: how much fun would you well?

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Speaker 3: And then he also said, quote, it's such a fascinating

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Speaker 3: part of the world. It's amazing for them to come

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Speaker 3: from this part of the world and aim so big.

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Speaker 3: This is a movie about identity and people, and we

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Speaker 3: really tried to capture the spirit of Youngstown. People from

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Speaker 3: Youngstown are very proud of where they're from. It's a

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Speaker 3: tough town. You've got to fight for what you've got.

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Speaker 2: We had a.

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Speaker 3: Screening in Youngstown and people loved the movie. The only

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Speaker 3: thing they were disappointed in is we didn't use real names.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: So it was rumored that the crew never ended up

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Speaker 3: stealing Nixon's money, and that they had actually hit the

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Speaker 3: wrong bank.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm guessing is that they did not pull

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Speaker 4: off the thirty mil high.

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Speaker 3: Right, But is there a lot? Barber argues this. Barber

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Speaker 3: argues this quote, it was his, part of it was his.

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Speaker 3: Usually when somebody robs a bank, they send four or

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Speaker 3: five FBI agents. This man sent one hundred and twenty five,

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Speaker 3: so you know he was pissed. And then Barbera said quote.

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Speaker 3: That still doesn't mean he was saying that's my money.

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Speaker 2: No, it says I want to catch these guys who

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Speaker 2: tried to get I think.

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Speaker 3: It was all in one bank.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, spread around exactly. I don't think thirty million

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Speaker 4: is sitting in one box. I think there's multiple millions

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Speaker 4: in multiple banks. But in the one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: five FBI agents suggests they got part of it.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I'm with.

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Speaker 3: That, agreed, so Zaren, what is your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it wouldn't be an amazing if they

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Speaker 4: would have robbed the whole administration like they got Nixon.

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Speaker 4: They got Kissinger, they got Spiro agnew they just robbed

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Speaker 4: them all. Yeah exactly. I mean that's by ridiculous takeaway,

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Speaker 4: shoot bigger next time.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Elizabeth, smooth, so easy. I don't natural.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it.

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Speaker 2: That's because I'm interested curious what you say.

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Speaker 3: So dulous takeaway. I really I think it's clever to

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Speaker 3: spread the stuff around if you're going to hide it

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Speaker 3: if they haven't recovered most of it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 4: And Hafa, it's like interesting he hires this crew to

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Speaker 4: be his guys to pull it off, and yet they

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Speaker 4: pull it off and then get busted and just the dumbest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they may not have had the best information

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Speaker 3: to work with.

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Speaker 2: Sure was kind of dumb.

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Speaker 3: The fingerprints on the.

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Speaker 4: They're supposed to be like the best of the best.

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Speaker 4: So this is like if Oceans eleven got caught because

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Speaker 4: somebody sent a.

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Speaker 3: Postcard inclined to just I've out there.

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Speaker 4: Not fly, definitely no fly, and also not using rental cars.

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Speaker 4: Don't you have anybody buy little bum cars, buy crappy

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Speaker 4: cars for cash from towns that people don't care exactly.

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Speaker 3: See, we're much better criminal we should go.

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Speaker 2: Into crime together. We learned so much.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know. It's like a training camp. Uh, Dave,

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Speaker 3: Captain Dave, give me a talkback.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love Cheat. I love this show.

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Speaker 2: Good jobs.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Uh, that's it for today.

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Speaker 2: I always enjoy those I do.

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Speaker 3: I love the talkback so much. I love to hear

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