1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. I'm Tamara Judge and I'm Dan Gesling and 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: you're listening to Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys, welcome 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: back to another episode of Talking a Big Game with myself, Tamor. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Judge and Ding. Super excited to be here. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I haven't seen you in 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: like a week. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: I know it's been a minute, and I've got some 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: like serious I have a serious question for you. I 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: don't want to I don't want to start things off 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: on this foot, but i have to know. 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is it? The hate that is 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: no hate? 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: Well, because so so this is the first episode we're 14 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: recording post launch, right, so we you know, we've recorded 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: some episodes in this the first one, and so in 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: the comments, like people are extremely not kind to you. 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that that's new. That's something new, and it's 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: it's going to go away. But because the show is 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: airing right now, and I'm not falling for Shannon's victim 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: act on the show because I've known her longer than everybody, 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: people are thinking that I ditched my best friend when 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: after she got a DUI and that's not the case, 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: and it will come out. But people, but not only 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: are people coming for me? Most of them aren't even 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: real people. Somebody hired bots to go after me. 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: Well, here's my question, is that, regardless of the reason, 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: like people are like super like just saying like super 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: inappropriate stuff. 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: How do you deal with that as a human? 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Oh well, last week I took xanax one day. I'll 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: tell you that I couldn't understand the amount of hate 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: when I'm actually doing something for somebody out of tough 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: love and wanting them to get better and not enabling 34 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: them with their drinking. So it's really hard. But it's 35 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: also an edited reality show and not all the information 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: comes out at once, and I've been on the phone 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: with production and they say, just wait, just wait, you 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: just gotta and I go you They're like, you know 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: better than ever I go. But I haven't really even 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: done anything on the show to warrant this hate. You know. 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: We got into one fight and I called her an alcoholic, Like, 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: I get it. My words were a little harsh, But 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: other than that, it's a lot of her playing the 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: victim in interviews, saying like tiam Ridge just left me. 45 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: It's not true, It's not the case. So people will 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: see even this week's episode, you will see a different 47 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: side of me, and I'm hoping that that hate will stop. 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: But however, somebody has hired bots. They're not even real accounts, 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: so I kind of noticed that, and Kayden really, you know, 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: he's like, don't read the comments whatever you monitor or whatever. 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: And somebody reached out to me on social media and says, 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that somebody hired bots. 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: They're going after you bad. And the reason why I 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: know their bots is their empty accounts. And they say 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: the same basic sentence reworded three different times. And they 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: also are putting it on posts that have nothing to 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: do with me, nothing to do with housewives. So it's like, 58 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: you know, when people hire them, they just they just flood. 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: Here. 60 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, because I know you in real life, like, 61 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: and I know all these things that are like I'm 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: sitting there and like the feeds are getting blown up 63 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: with all these comments. I'm like, I know who you 64 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: are as a person, Like you're a very kind, genuine, 65 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: like real person and then to see all this stuff, 66 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: like I'm getting riled up. 67 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: But I'm like, how does Tamra. 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: Like Tamra's used to it, But you know what, I 69 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: wasn't expecting it because I went into the season, you know, Shannon, 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: and I had to step away from her, which is 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: a very toxic friendship, and I felt like she wasn't 72 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: getting the help she was she needs, and I, you know, 73 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: she wasn't going to change, so I had to change. 74 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: So I had to walk away from her. And There's 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: a lot more that's to it, But I'm not one 76 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: on reality TV that plays victim. 77 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: Haama, let may ask because this is like Danda Tamra 78 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: like yeah, and like we've talked storylines and all that, 79 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: but I'm saying, like you as a human, like it, 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: are you read it? And then like what do you do? 81 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: Like physically, what do you do? Is there a point 82 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: where you're like enough's enough? Because one thing that like 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: I laughed, but I saw something on Twitter that you 84 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: were tweeted someone like, oh, you turned off comments on 85 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: Twitter because it was about your daughter, and you're like, 86 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: of course I did. 87 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: You're a loser first talking about this. 88 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever I post about my kids at all, which 89 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: is Sophia is really the only one that I post about, 90 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: and I turn off comments because one time there was 91 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: a comment you know, it was a happy birthday comment 92 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: to her, and somebody is like, oh, I hope she's 93 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: going to get a nose job when she gets older. 94 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: And I didn't see it, but she saw it and 95 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: it really kind of hurt her feelings at the time. 96 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: And of course this was like three four years ago, 97 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: and she brought it to me and I thought, nope, 98 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: nobody's commenting on my kids. 99 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: Nope. 100 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: Well, speaking of you know, hurting feelings and not hurting 101 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: feelings and turning the conversation to excitement, Caitlyn is here. 102 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: Let's bring her in, but tamer, we're not done with this. 103 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna take because I want to. We got to 104 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: talk about this the next episode. You want to bring 105 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: Caitlyn in for it. 106 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're super excited. So today we have Caitlyn Bristow. 107 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: She was contestant on the nineteenth season of The Bachelor, 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: and she ended up coming in third place. She was 109 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: later chosen as the bachelorette for the eleventh season of 110 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: ABC's The Bachelorette. She was a celebrity winner of season 111 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: twenty nine of Dancing with the Stars and the first 112 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: Canadian to ever win the show. Now, there was a 113 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: lot of drama around Caitlin. That's why we want to 114 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: bring her in. There was stuff about her appearance. There 115 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: was even some stuff being said that we need to 116 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: ask her about her producer, allegedly her producer from Bachelor 117 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: allegedly not allowing her to do Dancing with the Stars. 118 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: So let's get to the bottom of this. Let's bring 119 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: her in. Hi guys, Hi, Hi Lynn. It's so nice 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: to meet you. 121 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 4: Nice to meet you. 122 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on. We've got a ton of questions 123 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: for you, like a lot. 124 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 4: I'm very excited. 125 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: So before you jumped on, here, me and Dan we're 126 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: talking about social media hate and well, right now I'm 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: like the the hate most hated ever on my cast, 128 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: because I'm are you really? Oh yeah, I mean it's 129 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: going to change next week, but right now I am 130 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not buying somebody's bullshit on the show, 131 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not bound down. 132 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm over here getting defensive. 133 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, these people don't understand, like out of a 134 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: world of fake people, tammers the real one. 135 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: But anyway, sorry, yeah, I know. 136 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had your share of hate on social media. 137 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: The real ones always get the hate and it's it's 138 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: we're the easy ones to hate. I feel like real 139 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 4: ones are easy to hate because we say how it is, 140 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: and that gives people an opportunity to, like, I don't know, 141 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 4: clap back to what we think. 142 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 143 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 4: I always feel like people who are the most show up, 144 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 4: like the most authentically on social media. You usually get 145 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: the most backlash, but you're probably doing that on your 146 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 4: own season of television is just showing up authentically and people, 147 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: I don't know, people are afraid of bright lights. 148 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, no, I'll absolutely agree with that because 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: there's people on my show right now. I don't know 150 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: if you watch Housewives, but they're people that are like 151 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: they're fake and they're not being honest and they're like, oh, 152 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: isn't she sweet? I'm like, yeah, I don't want sweet 153 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: on reality TV. Let's just be straight right there. 154 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: I don't know how you do it. I've heard, like 155 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: the drama of Housewives to me gives me anxiety and 156 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: I don't even watch, like I'm just like it's so 157 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: it's freaks me out because I feel like you guys 158 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 4: get pigeonholed too into these like hit casting characters. 159 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I'm used to it, so. 160 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: It's like, eh, Kaitlin, you're Canadians, so like Canadians are 161 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 3: notorious for like being kind and nice. At what point 162 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: you know, in your vast reality TV career did you 163 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: like become callous because it seems like, yeah, I've dealt 164 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: with hate, but you seem like you're unbothered by it. 165 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: Not to call attention your sweatshirt you're wearing right now 166 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: that says unbothered on it. 167 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: It's funny because I am like a walking contradiction all 168 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 4: the time, Like I am, I get bothered easily, but 169 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: I wear the sweater that says unbothered. I just honestly, 170 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 4: it depends where I'm at in my cycle, what time 171 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: of a month it is. But sometimes it like doesn't 172 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 4: bother me at all, and other times I like I 173 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: want to throat chop people and like fight them in 174 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: real life. So it really it just depends because I 175 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: actually think I dealt with it better when I first 176 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: came off being the Bachelorette, which was like nine eight 177 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 4: nine years ago, and I was like, this is crazy. 178 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: People hate me for just being me, Like how funny, 179 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 4: And then over the years I actually feel like I've 180 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 4: gotten softer, Like I'm like. 181 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Wait, you still hate me, Dan, It's like, how do 182 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: you handle the hate? And I'm like, first of all, 183 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I want to apologize, Dan, because the hate that's probably 184 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: going on to your page because of me, it is 185 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: clearly my fault. 186 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: No, but it's just crazy to me. 187 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: I'll say like, yeah, oh well it doesn't bother me. 188 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm like that last week I had to take his annex. 189 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, I feel you it really, I'm really 190 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 4: up and down, hot and cold all the time. But Dan, 191 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, Big Brother fans are so nasty sometimes, like 192 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: I am. It's first of all huge Big Brother nerd. 193 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 4: Like I've watched since the I think I was I 194 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: don't know whatever age I was in two thousand and three. 195 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: Og I am an og. I love it so much. 196 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 4: And over the years, I've like forced friendships on so 197 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: many Big Brother cast members because I'm like, hey, look 198 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 4: we both have a following, let's be friends. Like I've 199 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 4: dreamt about being friends with people from Big Brother. I 200 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: remember creating a fake I tried every email I could 201 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: for this girl I was a fan of to write 202 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: her and say I was a fan. 203 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: So this is clearly. 204 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: Like back before anything, I was just making up emails. 205 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: Would who was it? Tell me? 206 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: Because I'm like an og Big Brother fan until you're 207 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: going the show and. 208 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: Then you're like, all right, I'm blanking on who it was. 209 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: I literally was this is? I mean over twenty years ago. 210 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: I'll think of it. I'll think of it and and 211 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 4: tell you. But oh my gosh, yeah, I used to 212 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: just like make up email addresses to try and get 213 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 4: a hold of her. But like now with social media, 214 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: I find and I'm sure it's the same for housewives, 215 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: but the Big Brother like fandom, whatever you want to 216 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: call them, Like I'm a live. 217 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: Feeder, they're so main So I mean, well, I was 218 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: telling Dan earlier that I just found out that somebody 219 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: hired bots to go after me. And the reason why 220 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: we found out is because it's the same sentence written 221 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: four different times, and when you click on the account, 222 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: it's empty, and it's going everywhere, even on even on post. 223 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: I'm hearing that have nothing to do with me, these 224 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: random messages. I'm like a somebody bought thoughts. I go, hey, 225 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm making in life, right, I must be pretty popular. 226 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: People wanting to spend their hard to earn money. Attack 227 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: bending you should you should do something with that, like 228 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: like get a life. 229 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: You know who Jill Zarren is theres are and I 230 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 4: don't know how you get it. Somebody made like a 231 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 4: website called like I hate Jill aron dot com and 232 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: she like bot my website. 233 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Oh that's smart. 234 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 4: You gotta get creative, like start start making merch and 235 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: be like people buy bots. 236 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure Jill Zan's already made it. 237 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: She's got she is the queen of merch. I did. 238 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: Is like what if sh is the one that's behind it? 239 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: And then like there's a whole storyline right there, but 240 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: I wouldn't pass it. 241 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: But Calyn, I want to bring this back to you 242 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: real quick. 243 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: Was there a moment when you're like when you're going 244 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 3: through all the social media and you're like a breaking 245 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: point you're like, okay, I can't keep looking at this 246 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: or was there a moment you're like, let me figure 247 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: out where like you learn. 248 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: How to deal with it. Yeah. 249 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 4: I think I got to a place where I was 250 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: like I got to stop what my therapist and now 251 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: I call it shopping for pain. I got to stop 252 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: shopping for pain. Where I go looking for it. I 253 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 4: know people are going to be saying mean things. It 254 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: just depends on how quote unquote relevant I am at 255 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 4: the time. So like, when I'm on a show, the 256 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: hate is a lot louder, and so I have to 257 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: look at that through a different perspective of, Oh, I'm 258 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: I'm in the media right now, so the hate's going 259 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: to be a lot louder. And then when I'm doing 260 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 4: like wholesome shit like toy story with my godson, It's 261 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: like nobody can hate on that. I'm just being boring. 262 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: So I just kind of like have to brace myself 263 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 4: and know when the hate is loud, I can't go 264 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: shopping for pain. And so it really just depends again 265 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: on the timing of everything. But it's it's it's really 266 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 4: important to me. I've never looked at a Reddit article 267 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: about myself and I never will and I just again, 268 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 4: you just don't go looking for it. 269 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: But enough of hate. Let's talk about the good stuff 270 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: that you have done. 271 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: Now. 272 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: You were on you were on Dancing with the Stars, 273 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: but there was some drama that went along with that. 274 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: From what I understand, I hear that your producers from 275 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: the Bachelor didn't want you on there. 276 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 4: Oh that drama. I'm like, which drama. Yeah, it was 277 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 4: not the producers, it was the man that created the 278 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 4: Bachelor franchise. He yeah, he didn't want to go back 279 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 4: to your image or something. Now, I don't know what. 280 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: I think. He just didn't like me from the get go. 281 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: I think I think actually I know, Oh, he didn't 282 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: like me from the get go. 283 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: And how do you know, Like, why do you know that? 284 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 4: Because he I mean, he made it very obvious and 285 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: he he didn't want me to be the bachelorette, so 286 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: he had called a meeting with me, and I think 287 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: he usually goes for I mean, he gets to make 288 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 4: the final decision, so he is like, you know, ahead 289 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 4: of the franchise, which I don't think he's even there anymore. 290 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 4: But he likes, you're all American girl next door, America's sweetheart. 291 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 4: And when I came on The Bachelor, Yeah, the Bachelor, 292 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: I was very much this like edgy Canadian with tattoos 293 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: and I swore and I was just like like I 294 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: came out guns blazing. I was like, I'm just gonna 295 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: be me, like weirdo. Caitlin from the small town in Alberta, Canada, 296 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 4: and I'd rather be I said, I'd rather be hated 297 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: for who I am than liked for somebody I'm not. 298 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 4: I didn't want to go on TV and pretend to 299 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: be somebody else just to get people to like me. 300 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: And I like that line. 301 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 4: Oh you can thank Kurt Cobaine for that one. I 302 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 4: got it from him. But I was like, I'm just 303 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 4: not going to care what people think, like I still 304 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: know and deep down in my heart, I'm a good person, 305 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: so I'm not. 306 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: Going to care. 307 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 4: And then I don't think he liked that. I think 308 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: he wanted, like, if there's going to be another Bachelorette, 309 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 4: I think he wanted to go with what's always worked 310 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 4: for that franchise, Like America loves their comfort food and 311 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: they always love the America's Sweetheart, and I was going 312 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: to be a change up to the franchise. And so 313 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: I don't think he really liked me from the get go. 314 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: And then the season did well, and then when I 315 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 4: came off, it was like I grew up dancing. My 316 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: mom was a professional ballerina, and I grew up dancing 317 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: my whole life. I never had done ballroom, but it 318 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: was a dream of mine to go on Dancing with 319 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 4: the Stars, and he said, I just don't want people 320 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: coming on my show who want fame. He always had 321 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: this belief that I wanted to get famous from his show, 322 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 4: and I never understood where that came from for him. 323 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 4: And he like, he was like, the gossip magazines say 324 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 4: you're just here for fame, and I'm like, well those 325 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: are gossip magazine, Like, I don't know where this is 326 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: coming from. 327 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: But it was like, I mean, it doesn't take a 328 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: rocket scientist to figure out that if you get famous 329 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: from being on TV. 330 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 4: Well, and this it just didn't add up. Like this 331 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 4: is another reason why I knew he didn't like me, 332 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: is because all he's had like four of his past 333 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: bachelor's go on Dancing with the Stars, but a bachelorette 334 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: had never done it, and so they had asked me, 335 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: and then I was over the moon excited, and then 336 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 4: he took it away from me. So then it was 337 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: such a full circle moment that five years later when 338 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: I thought I was you know, five years Yeah, it 339 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 4: was five years later. 340 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: Well not only did you go on, but you won. 341 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: I wan congratulations. 342 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: What does that mean when you say took it away 343 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: from you? 344 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I had the contract, and I didn't know. 345 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: I didn't know how contracts television worked. I didn't know 346 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: I had to like get approved from then. 347 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: You know. 348 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, Abc, ABC, both ABC shows. I 349 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: can obviously go do Dancing with the Stars the past 350 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 4: bachelors have. And so I had the contract signed and everything. 351 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: I had an entertainment lawyer that went over it. I 352 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: signed the contract. I was supposed to be announced on 353 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: Good Morning America like the next week, and he just 354 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: said like, no, You're not doing it. Oh yeah, he 355 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: just said, no, you're not. I'm not going to allow this, 356 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: and I were you crushed? Oh? I bawled my eyes out. 357 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: I wrote an email to so many people at the 358 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 4: franchise just being like, I'm not doing this for fame, 359 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 4: like dancing is really a dream of mine, Like I 360 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: would love to get this opportunity, and uh yeah, so 361 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: I've It's funny because I've talked about it, and I 362 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: always have to remember this because you guys are a 363 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: new up podcast with a different audience than me, because 364 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 4: I'm like, people are probably so sick of me talking 365 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: about this, but you have a whole other audience the 366 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 4: way I have so they're probably hearing this for the 367 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: first time. So yeah, I've He just said, I, you know, 368 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: I don't want people coming on my show for fame. 369 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 4: And I said, dancing is a passion of mine and 370 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: he said, well, Sean should be your only passion right now, 371 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 4: which is the guy that I chose to get engaged 372 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: to off the show. And I asked him if he 373 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: had more than one passion in life and he said, 374 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 4: I'm not. He said, I'm not talking about this, Caitlin, 375 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not talking about this, and and then 376 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: he hung off on me. 377 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean that's it. 378 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 3: I mean, like, that's amazing. You talked to like the 379 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: head of the whole franchise like that. I mean it's 380 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: not like that's like fake some stones. I'm not gonna 381 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: lie Like that's amazing. 382 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: I had to I had to jump through hoops to 383 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: get that guy on the phone. I was like not 384 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: taking no for an answer until he yeah, there's just 385 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: no other option for me. Wild What influenced you to 386 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 4: apply for the show for Bachelor? Yeah, I didn't. My 387 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 4: girlfriend signed me up. I was just getting out of 388 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 4: a long relationship and I had kind of bopped all 389 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: over the place he played hockey, and so I was 390 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 4: kind of all over the map and I ended up 391 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 4: being in Germany, and in Germany, I completely lost myself 392 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: to this relationship. I was depending on him emotionally and financially, 393 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: and I just became a shell of myself and I 394 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: had no friends, and I had no career, and I 395 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 4: didn't have a dollar in my bank account. And he 396 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 4: broke up with me, and I was just like beside 397 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: myself and it was totally a rock bottom moment for me. 398 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: And I had to move back in with my parents 399 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 4: at the age of like twenty seven, and you know, 400 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: go back to a restaurant job that I didn't like, 401 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: and kind of like start from the ground up again 402 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 4: and you know, get friends back. I'd lost all my 403 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 4: friends because I was never there and I was only 404 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: focused on this relationship. And my girlfriend just said to me, 405 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 4: she goes, I just see you on the Bachelor. And 406 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 4: I said, do they take Canadians And she goes, yeah, 407 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: they do, because Big Brother doesn't take Canadians. And I said, 408 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 4: if I was going to go on any reality show, 409 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 4: I wanted to go on Big Brother. And she was like, 410 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 4: they don't take Canadians, and so she sent in all 411 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 4: of my information to the Bachelor franchise and it's all timing, 412 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 4: you know, timing everything, And they didn't choose me to 413 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: go on, and they called me and they kept me 414 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 4: on file and called me about a year and a 415 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: half later to come on the next season. 416 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: So that's the thing with reality shows, and it happens 417 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: on our show as well. They don't give up people. 418 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: Just because you try out for a show and you 419 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: don't make it that season, doesn't mean you won't make it, 420 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, the two second or or fourth year out 421 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: because it happens all the time. Do you think you 422 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: were going to get chosen? 423 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: No? No, I was like, they're never going to take 424 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: someone like me. I'm so weird, I'm so quirky, and 425 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 4: like if they do, I'm going to be the drunk 426 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: girl that goes home night one from like embarrassing herself. 427 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: Like it's I thought it was going to be a yeah, No, 428 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 4: I didn't see it going the way that it did. 429 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: Well your personality, sure shine, Because then you were chosen 430 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: for the Bachelorette seasonal. Yes, what do you have to 431 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: say about that? 432 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 4: That was again hoops were jumped through to get there 433 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: because I never I was. You know, a lot of 434 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: girls go on and they want to be the bachelorette, 435 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: and they try and make it to a certain point 436 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 4: just so they can possibly be the bachelorette. Truly on 437 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: the bachelor, thought this guy's going to pick me, I'm 438 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: going to get engaged, and like I thought for sure 439 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 4: it was me, and so I had no agenda to 440 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 4: be the bachelorette. And then he dumped me and I 441 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 4: was very shocked. And then when they asked me, it 442 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: was again shocking. But I had to go in and 443 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 4: kind of like prove myself to this this guy again 444 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: who didn't want me to be the bachelorette. But I 445 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 4: remember I had to cut my bangs a certain way, 446 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: they sent an outfit that I needed to wear, and 447 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: my makeup had to be done a certain way to 448 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: go in and have a meeting with him, just to 449 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: like present myself. 450 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: Is he still a power? 451 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: I guess I still have a job. 452 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: No. 453 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: No, oh, well there you go. 454 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: I have a question for doing that show. What was 455 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: it like having that presence over you? Are you like 456 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: looking over your shoulder while you're like essentially the star. 457 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: Of the show, Like what was that? 458 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: Like, I didn't no, I didn't realize actually that there 459 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: was that kind of power until well on The Bachelor. 460 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: I had no idea. I didn't understand anything about production television. 461 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: Like when I came out of the limo, I was 462 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 4: confused why I wasn't hearing the romantic music plane and 463 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I guess that's just like well 464 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 4: you watch it back on TV. Like I didn't know, 465 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 4: and so I thought the producers ran the show now 466 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 4: until later when they're deciding for me to be the bachelorette. 467 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 4: I still didn't really see him much after that, So 468 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 4: while I was the bachelorette, I didn't feel like my 469 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 4: head was on a swivel for like the higher ups, 470 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 4: because I think they really want you to like be 471 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 4: comfortable and trust the producers, so I want. I think 472 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 4: they want you to just like fully lean into the 473 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 4: vulnerability of feeling comfortable and like like the producers are 474 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 4: almost like family. 475 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: Did you always want to do something in the entertainment 476 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: business There's just something that kind of fell on your lap? 477 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 4: Oh, I always wanted to. I like, I I have this. 478 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: I wish I still had the papers I have a 479 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 4: picture of me writing down stuff that I wanted on 480 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: a vision board when I was twenty four years old, 481 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 4: and I really wanted to be on like a competitive 482 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 4: show again. I really wanted it to be Big Brother lol, 483 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 4: and or I wanted my own radio show, and I 484 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 4: wanted to have two Golden Retrievers, and I wanted to 485 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: be an entrepreneur, and I wanted like all the things 486 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 4: where I look back now and I'm like, oh, should 487 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 4: I did it? I have all those things I got 488 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: down when I was twenty four years old, and like 489 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 4: part of it was wanting to be a dancer too, 490 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 4: and like everything just came. So there's so many full 491 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 4: circle moments. But yeah, I always knew I wanted, Like 492 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 4: if you ask any of my friends or family from 493 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 4: growing up, I was an entertainer. I would stand up 494 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 4: at the dinner table and sing O Canada before dinner. 495 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: Like I always was wanting to like make people laugh 496 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: or entertain and I just loved that side of things. 497 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 4: Like never in my life did I think that would 498 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 4: happen through the Bachelor world, but I knew I wanted 499 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 4: to do something in the entertainment. 500 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: It was a great platform, that's for sure. 501 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: And you have to. 502 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're quite the entrepreneur. I was just 503 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: reading your successfully launched multiple businesses from wine to scrunchies. 504 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: You have your own podcast. How long have you had 505 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: your podcast while right? 506 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 4: Almost almost eight years? 507 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: Wow, that's impressive. I love it you. You've done so 508 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: much with your platform. And I would say, there's a 509 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: lot of women out there that get on a reality 510 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: show and it's over and they're over. What do you 511 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: think that's what makes you successful and all the things? 512 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Is it just your drive or. 513 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: Is it what is it? I think it's a lot 514 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: of things. I think I definitely had the right team 515 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: of people around me when I came off the show, 516 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 4: because I think if it was up to me, I 517 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 4: would have just continued to be like, you're going to 518 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 4: pay me to talk about teeth whitening and waist trainers 519 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 4: and not that there's anything wrong with that, because I'm like, 520 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 4: that's that's some serious mind you sponsorship, Yeah, I don't. 521 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 4: I My girlfriend just was in the industry, and you know, 522 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 4: I came from I had a job at a restaurant 523 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: and I was teaching spin classes and making and meet 524 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 4: and so to be offered a significant amount of money 525 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 4: to post something on Instagram felt like a dream. But 526 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: my girlfriend, who used to work for Scooter Braun, called 527 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 4: me and was like, I don't care how much they paid, 528 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: you delete that off your Instagram right now if you 529 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: want to build a loyal following and a career and 530 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 4: a brand out of this. And that was in twenty fifteen, 531 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: so this was like right when Instagram was becoming something 532 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: that you could build a business off of and you 533 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: could really make money. And so she told me, I 534 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: need to be smart about it. And we hired a 535 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 4: team and some of the people on the team were 536 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 4: my friends and some people I'd just been in the industry. 537 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: And I think I just like, slowly but surely learned 538 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: on the value of of building a community over like 539 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 4: building your bank, and that the audience will start to trust. 540 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: You and you have to be authentic to your brand. Yeah, 541 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: I've done I've made those mistakes. Like one time, I'm yeah, 542 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: I promoted a vibrator and I'm like, I'm not doing 543 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: that again. 544 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 4: I did that. 545 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: I talk about it about Kitlin. Can you talk about 546 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: specific things you would do so so? 547 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: So, were you just more mindful about the brand deals 548 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: you took or you talked about like building community. What 549 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: does that look like to you in like day to 550 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: day execution, like things you do to to build a community, 551 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: not just you know, shill a product if there's anything 552 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: wrong with Yeah. 553 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 4: No, totally. And again yeah, I'm like I would have 554 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 4: done the same thing, and who wouldn't you know? But 555 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 4: for me, I think I didn't realize that I was 556 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 4: quite the controversial bachelorette because I talked about sex. I 557 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: had sex before the Fantasy suite, and it was this 558 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 4: big like thing where I was like, oh, do people 559 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 4: not talk about this? I didn't, I didn't know, And 560 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: I think I got heavily slut shamed on the show 561 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 4: and death threats and people just hated me for you know, 562 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 4: not waiting for marriage or something. I think. I think 563 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 4: a lot of people that watch that show are quite religious, 564 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 4: and you know, it was just like the craziest thing 565 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: to people. 566 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: That I religious. But they'll send you a death threat. 567 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 4: Exactly, yes, but Jesus does not did not love me 568 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 4: in their eyes for having sex. 569 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Jesus wants you dead. 570 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I felt so alone for like a 571 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: short amount of time, and then when I addressed it, 572 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 4: and started talking about how bullied I was getting and 573 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: just how much it was affecting me. I saw people 574 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 4: really like come together and other women who said certain 575 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 4: things like you made me feel less alone. You made 576 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 4: me know it's okay to talk about this. I don't 577 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: have to feel shame around this. And I started seeing 578 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: the value in like people coming together and not feeling 579 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: alone in some and so I kind of used my 580 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 4: platform as this safe space to just like talk about 581 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: things that were faux pas or talk about things that 582 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 4: were too. 583 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: Mental health as well. You've been very open about your 584 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: mental health journey. Is there any advice that you can Yeah, 585 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: others that are struggling with anxiety and depression. I mean, 586 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean I know so many people. Even my daughter 587 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: who's eighteen, she struggled with anxiety. 588 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh I'm sorry. It's such a it's I mean, 589 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 4: I feel like it's just becoming more and more common 590 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 4: to and it kind of ties into this whole community 591 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: thing because again I kept I'm such an open book 592 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: and I'll talk about anything all the time, and to 593 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 4: have my own platform on social media, it's like, how 594 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 4: incredible is this I'm having, you know, being able to 595 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 4: take my podcast on tour and see all the people 596 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 4: that listen and how you know, talking about mental health, 597 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 4: talking about anxiety has just made people feel less alone, 598 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 4: more seen a safe space in this. I have a 599 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 4: Facebook group of people that listen to the podcast and 600 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 4: it's just turned into this wonderful like forty thousand people friendship, 601 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: it feels like, and I love. Everybody talks about different 602 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: things in there, and a lot of it is mental health, 603 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 4: people struggling and what and everybody just shows up for 604 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 4: each other on there, and it's so cool, so important. Yeah, 605 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 4: it really is. I again, I struggle with PMDD, so 606 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 4: pre menstrual mood disorder, and I get it bad. I 607 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 4: go into a very dark place and I get depression. 608 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: And anxiety for me shows up in a lot of 609 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: different ways other than panic attacks. I could sit here 610 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: for an hour and tell you about my anxiety. But 611 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: I think my advice to people is again finding community, 612 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: and it's finding you know, there's so many Facebook groups 613 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: out there, there's so many people out in the world 614 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: that are ready to talk about their mental health struggles. 615 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: There's books on it, there's so many resources, there's podcasts, 616 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 4: there's things that you could do to feel less alone. 617 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 4: And I think it's like for me, I kind of 618 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 4: learned how to surrender to the depression and anxiety and 619 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: used it as a tool to listen to my body, 620 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: Like my body's trying to tell me something, like something 621 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: feels off. Maybe I haven't gotten enough rest the night before. 622 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 4: Maybe I drank too much wine that day, Like maybe 623 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 4: I did this, Maybe I need to move my body 624 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 4: a little more. And I think we all don't know 625 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: the power of our own body and intuition and gut, 626 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: and it's always trying to tell us something. So I 627 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: think it's you got to lean into what it is 628 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 4: that you need to pay attention to. 629 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: Heelen. 630 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: You talk about this Facebook group of forty thousand people, 631 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you have a responsibility or a 632 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: pressure that comes along with that, because like you're you're 633 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: the summit of the forty thousand people. 634 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: Yes, I've thought about shutting it down a few times 635 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 4: when it gets rowdy in there, because I'm like, ah, 636 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: this is on me, Like it's it's terrifying because I 637 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 4: feel a responsibility just in general with you know, everything 638 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 4: that's going on in the world. People think if you 639 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 4: have a platform, you should speak up on it, and 640 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: I don't agree with that, and so I do sometimes 641 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 4: feel this responsibility, and especially in the Facebook group, like 642 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 4: I almost think like the one point eight million followers 643 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 4: on Instagram is like lovely and wonderful and up and 644 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 4: down and scary and amazing and all the different things. 645 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 4: But that smaller community that I've built with off the 646 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 4: vine listeners feels personal. It feels really personal. It feels 647 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 4: like people are choosing to be there. They choose to 648 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 4: listen to me two hours a week. They're like, it 649 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 4: does feel a little more personal. So yeah, I feel 650 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 4: a lot of pressure because I can't be there for 651 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: all of it and I can't change people's mind and 652 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: I can't have that kind of responsibility because I'll take 653 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: it on. So again, I have to watch how I 654 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 4: show up in there, because if I'm having a bad day, 655 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 4: I actually will go in there and see that everybody like, 656 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: you know, being there for one another. But then other 657 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 4: times I'll look on there and I'm like, do you 658 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: guys forget this is my page? 659 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: They'll like be. 660 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: Talking about my ex boyfriend and how happy they are 661 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 4: for him, and I'm like, well, yes, second, Yeah, It's 662 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 4: a mixed bag of feelings in there, but yes, I 663 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 4: do feel a responsibility and it does get challenging at times. 664 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: So I mean, you've been able. 665 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: The interesting thing about you and other people we've brought 666 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: on this podcast, it's like, Okay, you have this window 667 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: and then it's not just a window anymore. 668 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: It's like you've extended it. 669 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: You've been able to morph this entire career to exactly 670 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: what you've wanted it to be. 671 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: Looking back, like, what has allowed you to do that? 672 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: I know he said you've had a good team and 673 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: that's part of it, but also internally, like I'm sure 674 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: you've had to pivot and do things like that, But 675 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: what do you if you could tie it back to 676 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: one thing that you've done to like have this longevity 677 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: in a space that could. 678 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: Go like that. 679 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 4: I do think it has everything to do with showing 680 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 4: up authentically, Like I think we see so many people 681 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: show up on the internet like in ways where you're like, 682 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 4: what are you just saying that because you have a 683 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 4: brand deal coming up with them? Are you just saying 684 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 4: that because you know that's what sounds good? Are you 685 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 4: saying that because that gets you the most likes, the 686 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: most engagement, are you like, what are you doing this for? 687 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of times, and I believe 688 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 4: this for like everybody in life, whether you have a 689 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 4: platform or you don't, for people who are listening to 690 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: this podcast or watching or whatever they're doing. I think 691 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: when you align yourself with your truest, most authentic self, 692 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 4: with the people that you surround yourself with, with how 693 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 4: you show up in the world, I think that will 694 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 4: always put you on the right path or doing things 695 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 4: that you love. And sometimes, you know, I'm such a 696 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 4: big believer in manifesting, and sometimes people think like, well, 697 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 4: can I just think about a million dollars and I'll 698 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 4: have it, Like is that manifesting? And I'm like, No, 699 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: Manifesting actually takes a lot of hard work, a lot 700 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: of patients, a lot of putting yourself in situations that 701 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 4: not a lot of other people would put themselves in. 702 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 4: It's stepping outside of your comfort zone to align yourself 703 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 4: with the right place as people in life, to go 704 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 4: where you want to go, and taking risks. And I 705 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 4: just think I've always I always think my parents because 706 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 4: they always let me be me, whether it was like 707 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 4: I was so shy in elementary school and that I 708 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: came out of my shell, and then I was a 709 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 4: wild child, and then I wanted to like get tattoos 710 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 4: and move all over the world. My parents just always 711 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 4: embraced me to be who I really wanted to be 712 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 4: and find my own path. And I just think that 713 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 4: coming out of a show, I think I really was like, 714 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 4: how do I stay humble, not get lost in this, 715 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 4: not treat it like a drug that I get a 716 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 4: taste of and get addicted to any sort of fame 717 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 4: or attention, and really build something meaningful. And I think 718 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: that always wins for sure. 719 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm the same way with my kids. As long as 720 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: you are good human beings and you are nice people, 721 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't care. Like if you want to dye your 722 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: hair blue, pink, whatever, I don't care. I just I 723 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: want you to be able to express your self and 724 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: show your creativity on your own and not me telling 725 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: you what to do. 726 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: That's that's important. Unless I was on Big Brother, then 727 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 4: I would be a line sheet and Steven of a shot, 728 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 4: I would go. 729 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: For it, including Big Brother. 730 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 3: Are there any other competition shows you think you would 731 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 3: do well on and want to be Because when you 732 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 3: say you want to go in Big Brother, I'm like, 733 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 3: when Celebrity Big Brother rolls around, you seem like you'd 734 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:24,959 Speaker 3: be a shoe. 735 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: Is it coming back Celebrity Big Brother? 736 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: Do you know? 737 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it all depends based on, 738 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: like ear the industry is. 739 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 4: I would love to, but I don't think they take 740 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 4: people from ABC. I've never seen a Bachelor person or 741 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: someone from ABC because it's like a competitive network. I 742 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 4: don't know if that has anything to do with it, 743 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 4: but I would do anything to have any kind of 744 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 4: Big Brother experience. I also loved you on Traders. Were 745 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 4: you both on Traders? 746 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: Yes, we were on Traders together. That's how we met. 747 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 4: Okay, that's okay, So I watched I can't remember how 748 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 4: many episodes, but I remember, so I was trying to 749 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: remember where I knew you from. Duh, that's it. Traders. 750 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 4: Oh you were great on Traders. 751 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a damn trader. He murdered. 752 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: No you you I know you both were really good traders. 753 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 4: I would totally do. 754 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a commitment. 755 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a commitment. 756 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: How do you feel about doing reality shows? Competition shows 757 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: where they take your phone away and you're gone for 758 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: three to four weeks? And you have no communication to 759 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: the outside. You like, it sounds great, don't. You don't 760 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: have any children, right, so you have non children. It's 761 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: hard when you have kids. 762 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 4: I have two dogs that people think they're like, kay Caitlin, 763 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 4: they're not your children. I'm like, yes they are. They 764 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: came out of my room. They are mine. But no, 765 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 4: I think I think to take my phone away and go. 766 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 4: I am such a competitive person. I love competing. I 767 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: I just like, I get so dialed in and I 768 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 4: I love not having my phone. So I feel like 769 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 4: that would be amazing. 770 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: Well, I hated it. I hated not having my phone. 771 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 3: Speaking of competing, Okay, you've recently had a moment go viral. 772 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 3: You were on Name That Tune and I watched it, 773 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 3: and so you're competing on the show. 774 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: But wait, where did you film that at? I was 775 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: supposed to do that too. 776 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 2: It was for Fox right, Ireland. 777 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: It was in Ireland. 778 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 4: I was supposed in Ireland. 779 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't do it Teddy Teddy ended up 780 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: doing it. I couldn't. It was a compe should. 781 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely do it. 782 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 3: So, Kayln, some watches I knew who you were and 783 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: like New York Bash and everything. 784 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: But there. It's endearing. It's like, Okay, there's this song. 785 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: So I was what was it? Old McDonald had a farm. 786 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: You didn't know who it was. 787 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: But and I know that movement blew up when viral, 788 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 3: but watching your reaction to it, it wasn't like it 789 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 3: just seemed like really authentic and you kind of were 790 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 3: in on the joke hosting fact, what was that like? 791 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 3: I mean, because like it's all it was all over 792 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 3: the place. 793 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 4: I know, it's so funny because I I handled it 794 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 4: much better than I thought I would, because I thought 795 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 4: when Caromo and I were backstage and we were doing 796 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 4: like a practice round in the green room, I was like, 797 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 4: I am going to murder you. I am so good 798 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 4: at this. And then we get out there and you know, 799 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 4: the lights and the cameras and the music and freaking 800 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 4: Randy and I just was so intimidated being out there. 801 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 4: And it's like so much easier when you're watching from 802 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 4: your couch or when the pressure is on and I 803 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 4: go out there and they play and you know, she 804 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 4: sets it up. The host sets it up and says, 805 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 4: all right, Caitlin, this is a gift we're basically giving you, 806 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 4: like the easiest song in the world and it's Old 807 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 4: McDonald had a farm and all I heard was da 808 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: da And I'm like, Mary had a little lamb obviously, 809 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 4: and I just there's nothing you could do but laugh 810 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 4: at yourself in those moments, because how does somebody not 811 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 4: get a nursery rhyme? 812 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: Like, right, I'm laughing at yourself is the best. 813 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't know it was because you're Canadian. I'm like, 814 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 2: I don't Maybe they'll have Old McDonald in Canada. I 815 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: don't know. 816 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: I should have. 817 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: Thought of that. 818 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 4: I should have thought of that. I blame being Canadian 819 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 4: on so many things. I don't know. I didn't know 820 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 4: that I'm Canadian. I didn't know, but I know, I know. 821 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: We got to wrap it up right now. I just 822 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for you know, coming 823 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: on our podcast and we adore you. I have some 824 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: personal questions I want to ask you, but Dan, you can, 825 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: you can leave. Yeah, it's about plastic surgery. 826 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 4: I love it. 827 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure, really, It's like it's it's it's 828 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 3: cool to interact you and finally get a chance to 829 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 3: meet and I always find it like so fascinating and 830 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 3: also encouraging and amazing when someone can take the reality 831 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 3: TV experience and essentially make it their own, as opposed 832 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 3: to like this is who you are. You're in this 833 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 3: box and you're like, no, this is my path and 834 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 3: be successful at it. It was amazing, great bucking. Do 835 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: you thanks for coming on? 836 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Waite. Can I ask you a 837 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 4: quick question me? Yeah, yes, okay, I just have to 838 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 4: on Big Brother. When you guys have to do like 839 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 4: your speeches, do someone saying like okay, now you close 840 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 4: the box and you say this ceremony adjourned, Like do 841 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 4: you are they in your ear for that stuff? 842 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, like there's a speaker and they'll be like, okay, 843 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 3: like here's what you say. So if you botch the 844 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 3: lines or you like the box falls off, they'll say, 845 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 3: just do it again. But like in terms of like 846 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: what specifically to say, not really it's not. It's like 847 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 3: they just give you like height, here's where you do this, okay. 848 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 4: And then my only other one was when you're reaching 849 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 4: inside the box for the players for the veto competition. 850 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 4: Is that rigged or is that really at random? 851 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: No? 852 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: I mean there, I think they've changed that now because 853 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 3: I think people were like peeking. But I mean it's 854 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 3: completely random, but I think some people could like either 855 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 3: feel name like a letter on a ball or whatever, 856 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 3: so they adapted. But that's how I know you'd be 857 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 3: good at Big Brother, because you're thinking about that stuff now. 858 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 3: So when the opportunity comes, I would like to do it, 859 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 3: do it, but also, like you got to hook her up, Dan, 860 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: I will. 861 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,959 Speaker 2: But don't do it like well, I'll tell you about 862 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 2: it later anyway. 863 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, guys, I know Dan has a heart accred. 864 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: I do want to ask a couple of questions now, Yeah, 865 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: it's really open about plastic surgery. And the reason why 866 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: I'm asking you this because you said you admit having 867 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: a brow lift and teeth bonding. I'm doing exactly the 868 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: same thing next week. 869 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 4: Amazing, Oh amazing. 870 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: So I have personal questions for my own the brow 871 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: How bad did it hurt? 872 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: Okay? 873 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 4: So I think I messed up on the terms. I'm 874 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 4: a browlift by botox and film. 875 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: Oh I say you were pretty young? Okay, Okay, so 876 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: you didn't, I haven't done here, and then pull the mess. 877 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: I'm much older than you, No. 878 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 4: But I am so down to do that, Like whenever 879 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 4: I've I so I've never actually gone under the knife 880 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 4: for any plastic surgery, but I have done a lot 881 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 4: of botox and I've gotten filler. 882 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: Well, the worst thing in the world happened to me. 883 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: What botox is not working for me on my forehead anymore. 884 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: It just decided Nope, not today, not today, forehead. 885 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 4: Wait, is that a thing that can happen? 886 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I hate it. Wait till you get 887 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: like fifty, but yeah it is. And people will say 888 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: we'll change it up. When I tried, it didn't work. 889 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: So my doctor's like, just get a row lift, and 890 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. 891 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: And then another thing you just did, you did the 892 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: prenubo scan. I just got my results back. This is 893 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: the second time I've done it. I can't say enough 894 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: good things about it. The first time around, I had 895 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: they found like assist on my like four different six cysts, 896 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: but they found something on my pancreas, which nobody wants 897 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: to find anything on their pancreas, and it was very small, 898 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: but I was so happy to renew redo it a 899 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: year later and it's actually shrinking, so they're like, it's assists. 900 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: So you don't worry about it. I'm like, oh, thank god, 901 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: but what a piece of mind that is, right? 902 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 4: I know so many people I actually was shocked how 903 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 4: many people, uh like, had comments on that, Like so 904 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 4: many people are like I could never do that and 905 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 4: they're too scared. And I was like, no, you should 906 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 4: be scared to not do that. 907 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: My husband wanted it not yeah really yeah, he's like no, 908 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna go the way I'm going to go. 909 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, why when you can prevent it. I 910 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: think for me, like if I can prevent it, and 911 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: I have children, like I want to be there for them, 912 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: and you know, and so to me it was I 913 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: want I had to do it. In fact, I want 914 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: to have my mom do it as well. She's seventy 915 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: five years old now, so I'm like I want my 916 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: parents to do it too. 917 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 4: I just think it's so like, what a what an 918 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 4: incredible breakthrough we can have for this. I feel like 919 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 4: we're all scared of how many people are we hearing 920 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 4: about getting cancer and this aneurysms, and so I was like, 921 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, they couldn't get me in that MRI. 922 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 4: Soon enough, I wanted to know everything and it is scary, 923 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 4: of course, but I was like so excited because I 924 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 4: wanted to know how to I want to have kids 925 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 4: and I'm thirty nine and so to know that I 926 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 4: have fibroids and like to get a like I'm get 927 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 4: ahead of the appointment with my obg yn. Like, let's 928 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 4: talk about it. Yeah, I think it's important. 929 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's the only thing I wanted to 930 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 1: talk to you about personally. But I thought, oh my god, 931 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: she had a brow lift. She's actually too young, I 932 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: would say, So it makes sense now. 933 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 4: It was just from I know, I didn't realize. I 934 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 4: didn't realize that you could do an actual browl of 935 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean, don't get me wrong. When I get to 936 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 4: an age where I feel like that's time for me, 937 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 4: I anything that makes me feel young I want to do. 938 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 4: I don't know why people have such an issue and 939 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 4: hate on people for doing these things. If it makes 940 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 4: them feel. 941 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: Good better, That's what I always say. If it makes 942 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: you feel better, than do it. Don't ever do it 943 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: for somebody else, Just yeah, for yourself. But I just 944 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: want to thank you again for coming on, thank you 945 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, and enjoy the rest of your day. 946 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 4: Thank you so much you as well. It was a 947 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 4: pleasure and I appreciate you guys having me on and I. 948 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: Hope to see you on Traders. 949 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, lead too. 950 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: They just renewed it for two more seasons. So I 951 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: keep saying they're going to run out of reality people 952 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: because they do twenty twenty each season. 953 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 4: Oh oh, there's enough reality people to go looking for 954 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 4: forty more. 955 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 3: Good. 956 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 4: I'll I know one of the casting directors. I'll just 957 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 4: go raise my hand with them. 958 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Okay, it was great meeting you. 959 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: Bye bye.