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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's the fifth of December,

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Speaker 2: your cheese eating Surrender Monkeys, and it's time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, I am merely one half of your hosting duo.

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Speaker 2: I join you from the capital of Estadasnitos, right here

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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. Which, by the way, a Tank

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Speaker 2: of course I am joined to you by my well,

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Speaker 2: he's not I'm not a New Englander. I'm a mid

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Speaker 2: Atlantic guy, but he's the he's the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: He's mister New England himself. It's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the house that I live and we consider

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Speaker 3: New England estate here, Luke. Okay, it's it's you know,

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Speaker 3: they're the ogs of this country in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: But great to be back at it, Luke. Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: It's getting cold, it's winter time here in the Northeast.

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Speaker 3: But you know, at least we don't live in like Canada.

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Speaker 3: Or like Alaska, Minnesota or some absolute bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, where it's like minus five fahrenheit when you

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Speaker 3: Yet, or Philadelphia, where it's not only cold, but it's

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Speaker 3: like gross and just lacks culture. Sean Brady was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, BC, I'm about to I'm about to take

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Speaker 3: you to Poundtown for that. Okay, But I respect that

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Speaker 2: But I maintained, I maintained we are sports rivals, but

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Speaker 2: I like the city of Philly, and Sean Brady is

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Speaker 2: is gonna be great, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, all right, but if he wanted to enter into

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, very good. Oh you're doing a

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Speaker 3: Soon soon, that's too soon, that's.

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Speaker 2: Too soon, too soon. We like Sean Brady here, like

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Speaker 3: He's a great dude. That's the thing. He's like the

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Speaker 2: He's all right, he's a good dude, all right, But

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Speaker 2: we have Crossgate just keeps on going. We have one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll be eating a lot of crow directly from

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Speaker 3: the box, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, am kay. Hey, listen, this is the game

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Speaker 3: No, the shirt is brought to us by our friends

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Speaker 3: over there Rally, North Carolina. Nice price books and records.

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Speaker 2: All right, very goods. We'll do that. And then of

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Speaker 2: But BC, we have a lot to get to today.

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Speaker 3: So first pre game preview, Luke, can you can you

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Speaker 3: don't need you bringing yeazy on me. I don't need

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Speaker 2: end up like the There's a certain nobility in attempting,

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Speaker 2: But I will say this BC, the Sir Honorable Charles

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's the balance between our ridiculi Luke the

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Speaker 3: on there. Okay, that's all I got to say about that.

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Speaker 2: Very good, BC. I want to remind everyone about ship Station.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly way better than using the default shipping option

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke, hold on, I got a visitor here, Zoe

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Speaker 3: Look, we said this had the potential to be very big,

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Speaker 3: But is there any you know, port in the storm

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to see, we don't know what the

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Speaker 2: But that could be that two of the things that

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Speaker 2: And still we're still talking about twenty million Canadians though,

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Speaker 2: But there's two points will quickly be we want to

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a black eye for them. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 3: Here's how you can. You control it with fear, meaning

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Speaker 2: of indicate it with the way you explain to their BC.

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Speaker 2: Let me just echo that, like them cutting Derek Minner

432
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 2: to me does not. I mean, of course, it could

433
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 2: mean that they've already found something and then they got

434
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Speaker 2: rid of him for it. That that of course is

435
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Speaker 2: on the table. But to me, even if they haven't

436
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 2: found anything, just the fact that already this has caused

437
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 2: this net effect, he's he's damaged. Goods to them, they

438
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 2: were just like, no, no, like you're first of all,

439
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 2: we're just gonna take out. We're gonna cut out any

440
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: part of this equation that is even remotely involved at all,

441
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: whether he's innocent or not, you're all already under suspicion.

442
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 2: That suspicion will never really truly fully go away. Goodbye, right, goodbye.

443
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 2: So he could be totally innocent here. I want to

444
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 2: point that out, but it doesn't really matter because once

445
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 2: there is the appearance of impropriety, it's very, very hard

446
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 2: to undo. That and by the way, we'll have to

447
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 2: see if other promotions even want to sign him going forward.

448
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 2: That's the other problem too. Like James Cross is in

449
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 2: a hard way, Derek minners in a hard way by

450
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: even at a bare minimum, at a bare minimum, the

451
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 2: mere appearance of impropriety.

452
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Speaker 3: So right, and looks again, if Kross fixed the fight, dude,

453
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 3: he'll get what's coming to him. But even if he

454
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 3: technically didn't do anything wrong, he's in a potential position

455
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 3: to have to get an entirely new career when his

456
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: entire life, it seems, was building up to being where

457
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 3: he is now. Talented, ex fighter, successful coach, has a presence,

458
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,640
Speaker 3: you know, podcasting wise in the sport and all that.

459
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that's tough, But Luke, what is UFC's history

460
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 3: when things don't really you know, they got the fuck

461
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: rid of Paul Day, even if that was justified or

462
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: not right. They've dropped journalists left and right whenever they

463
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: were situation uh you know, I mean, looking even at

464
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: Helwanian one ninety nine and how that played out. They

465
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: don't mess around keep people close that they got suspicions about.

466
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: So either way, Luke, they're gonna have to make a

467
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Speaker 3: big statement and how they how they adjudicate this. Would

468
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: that be the right word, because I did feel a

469
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Speaker 3: little classy saying that adjudicate.

470
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know what like being shitty to

471
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: the media has to do with that.

472
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying. The UFC in history, uh, just shuts people,

473
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 3: just shuts people down, fighters who they thought were tied

474
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Speaker 3: up in something. You're gone, Miguel, you know, Miguel.

475
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Speaker 2: They don't want I mean again, everyone thinks this is

476
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: about financial transactions, and it is. That's obviously a big

477
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: part of it. But the real story here is that

478
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: regulators in Canada are saying they can't trust whether UFC

479
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: fights aren't fixed. That's what they're basically saying. They don't

480
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Speaker 2: know if the product is legitimate, and therefore they're banning

481
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Speaker 2: certain folks. Obviously twenty million Canadians basically from taking bets

482
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Speaker 2: on this. So that's the issue.

483
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, but it's probably like it's probably who are

484
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 3: we banned really, like Bronze Statter and a couple of

485
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Speaker 3: retired hockey players, Luke, you.

486
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Speaker 2: Know, they probably a couple retired hockey players for sure.

487
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Speaker 2: All Right, With that out of the way, let's get

488
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Speaker 2: to our top five here. Speaking of the weekend's action,

489
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Speaker 2: we start as we customarily do with the UFC. They

490
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: returned with a big crowd in Orlando, Florida. In your

491
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: main event, Stephen WonderBoy Thompson had a little trouble early,

492
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: definitely got his shit rocked early. However, persevered over time.

493
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: He stops Kevin Holland or I should I say there

494
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: was a weird issue with Mergleata, but that didn't affect it.

495
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: The fight continues. However, between the fourth and fifth rounds

496
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: the corner of Kevin Holland basically stopping the fight there

497
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: because he appeared to have a broken right hand BC.

498
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: The question is this, Did this fight prove that wonder

499
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: Boy Thompson is still a viable top walterweight contender.

500
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Speaker 3: In the right matchup. Yes, And I think that has

501
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 3: to be said because first and foremost, what he did

502
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 3: a couple months shy of forty, the effort, the energy

503
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 3: he put out, the speed and reaction time he still had,

504
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: and his willingness to exchange in you know, a fight

505
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: of the Year contender. To be fair, all though, I

506
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: think that the final two rounds of this fight weren't

507
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: anywhere comparative to how good the first two rounds were, Yeah,

508
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 3: in the right matchups. So I think this is a

509
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: weird crossroad spot for Thompson. Meaning one of the angles

510
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: we played up heading into during Friday show was, you know,

511
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: Wonderfoy still believes he's in the title picture and that

512
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 3: he can put wins together and get there. But Luke,

513
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: I really want to counter that. I think he should

514
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: change his model completely, and you can argue he already has.

515
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: In the postfight, who was he talking about potentially fighting

516
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: Conor McGregor. I mean he was making sort of smart

517
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: proclamations out there to the UFC and sort of you know,

518
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: nice guy hidden terms, which is this, if you put

519
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 3: me against Ballah Mohammed or Gilbert like you did my

520
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 3: last two fights, you know I could lose the clean

521
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: decision and kind of get handled by that. So in

522
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: that regard, Luke, I really don't think he's still in

523
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: the overall title picture or could change his recent rate

524
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: of success, but his willingness to fight such an action

525
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: friendly fight and look, he's always you know, such an affable,

526
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 3: lovable guy and all that. I think he showed you

527
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: that if he's truly in that late Twilight fun fight

528
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: other legends portion of his career, he can make a

529
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: lot of money in the short term if he's willing

530
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: to kind of adopt some of this Michael Chandler style.

531
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: Now he's not as reckless as Michael Chandler, but if

532
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: you put him in matchups where guys are not going

533
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: to take it to the ground, which this one quickly

534
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 3: became that, especially after Holland, you know, basically walked away

535
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 3: after taking Thompson down that first time, and they laughed

536
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: about it. That Thompson still has a lot left. He

537
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: has more left than you and I thought coming into

538
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: this fight. I believe, and it's impressive and it's fun,

539
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: and there is no shortage in the greater BMF landscape

540
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: of fun fights across multiple divisions for him. But I

541
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: do not believe, even with the resurgent feeling of this performance,

542
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: that he's still in the overall title picture.

543
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Speaker 2: Do you think that's fairly I think that's pretty fair.

544
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned that Holland got up off of

545
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: him when he sort of like fell on top of

546
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: him and in this kind of weird scramble, he didn't

547
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: do it just once. He did it twice. Two times

548
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: he ended up on top just by virtue of tripping

549
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: and falling or whatever could have had or the moment

550
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: there on top, and both times neglected to use it

551
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: like we talk about. I mean, Michael Bisbey's gotten a

552
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: bit of controversy because he was decrying the fight IQ

553
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: of Kevin Holland. It's not to say that Kevin Holland

554
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have good fight IQ when he wants to employ it,

555
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: but you can't say he was employing it here. He

556
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: had his opponent who probably is not much of a

557
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: threat off of his back, and Holland just let him

558
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: up two different times when his opponent is much better

559
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: than him, or at least certainly very capable on the

560
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: feet relative to him then on the ground. So like,

561
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: are there are legitimate issues there? But I agree with you.

562
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: I think he's still very fast, He's still very capable

563
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: in the right matchup. Sure he can beat good guys.

564
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: Some folks are talking about maybe a fight again with

565
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: Jorge Massbatal, although if you watch the first one, wonder

566
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: Boy wins that one pretty cleanly. It wasn't very competitive. However,

567
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: who's to say about a second one we could see,

568
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: but I don't get the sense because it wasn't really

569
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: tested here and we already kind of have the answer

570
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: when he's fighting the Balmahamas, or if he fought a

571
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: Hamsat CHAMAIV or somebody else who can really take it

572
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: to the ground on Gilbert Burns or whatever. I just

573
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: don't see any way he's gonna beat those guys, But

574
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: are the other guys he could beat? Of course. Last

575
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: thing I'm gonna say BC is, however, there's one more

576
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: thing we should keep in mind, and I'm not trying

577
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: to diminish the win. It was a great win. Fans

578
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: loved it. Wonder Boy looked great. But it was number

579
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: six versus unranked, Right, so wonder Boy got a win

580
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: technically speaking over a guy we like, but came into

581
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: this fight unranked.

582
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: But let's be fair under Thompson seemed to be ranked

583
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: too high coming in Holland seemed to be kind of

584
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 3: getting jobbed by not being ranked at all. I'll get

585
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: to Holland in the second. But what two point quick

586
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: points I want to make off of what you said?

587
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: Is to be fair, that mosvidoal loss against Thompson, which

588
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: was completely one sided was the fight that led joorget

589
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: to the wilderness. If I'm not mistaken here, that was

590
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: sort of like the boiling over frustration point of like

591
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: what am I doing? And in that fight, you know

592
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: he was following wonder Boy around and getting caught in

593
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: traps in reaction in relation to a potential rematch between

594
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: the two, I feel like Wonder Boy was going out

595
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: of his way to show everybody with the way that

596
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: he fought, which was perfectly helped by some things that

597
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: Holland didn't do as an advertisement that he's willing to

598
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: be that fun name action fighter if you give him

599
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: the chance to do that, and if you give him

600
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: the type of matchmaking that a guy in his spot,

601
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: former title challenger, very well respected but yet still has

602
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: a lot left in the tank, can produce. So I

603
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: think the idea of him and masvid All a second time,

604
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't even think about the first fight in that regard.

605
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: I think it'll be what it will be, which is

606
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: Thompson trying to make a fun fight on the feet.

607
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: But Luke, you brought up Bisbing's harsh comments regarding Kevin Holland,

608
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: and I think the reason why this ended up playing

609
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: out the way it did was basically exactly what Michael

610
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: Bisbee was saying, Luke, and I felt it watching it live.

611
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: What the heck's Kevin Holland doing? And this is the

612
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: same night where I had legitimate concerns about the matchmaking

613
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: decisions and the timing for ty tu Ivasa, which I'm

614
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: sure we'll get into. But for Kevin Holland, it's not

615
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: the matchmaking opportunities, it's the style he employed. I get

616
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: wanting to play up and be that guy and make

617
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 3: an action fight and being like, hey, we're in this,

618
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: we're having fun, we're talking to each other, we respect

619
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: each other. Let's go after it. But there became a

620
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: point where Holland was consistently on the losing end of

621
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: these exchanges. I know that's hard for a guy to

622
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 3: take when it's Holland who has big power, And there

623
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: were times early where he was hurting WonderBoy and you

624
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: wondered if he was, you know, on his way to

625
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: a knockout. But in rounds three and four, it started

626
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: to become clear that he was just getting beaten down

627
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: and taking way too much punishment and constantly absorbing the

628
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: type of punishment that usually gets guys finished, yet wasn't

629
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: trying to adapt his game plan or style. I'm not

630
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: saying it's easy in a firefight to do that. He

631
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: had an injured hand. There's a lot going on there,

632
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: but for him to never shoot and what do we say?

633
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: Come in? And I said, for Kevin Holland, if you

634
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: get caught in the wonder Boy traps, he still may

635
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: have enough left in the tank to outpoint you if

636
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: you led him on those terms. You know, I don't

637
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: know if this was Kevin Holland's plan. I don't know

638
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: if he had a plan. I don't know if he

639
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: just got in there and just fell in love with

640
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: the fun direction that this was going and figured, look late,

641
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to beat him with my power. But he

642
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: woefully miscalculated a few different things for him not being

643
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: willing to take the fight to the ground where there

644
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: seemed to be an avenue where he could gain some control,

645
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: or gain some time off after taking huge shots, or

646
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: what have you, considering other fighters had done the exact

647
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: same thing to him. Derek brunts inventory and sort of

648
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: controlled him and exposed him CHAMAIAV in the last fight.

649
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: I think that's a big fail on which direction right

650
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: now Kevin Holland is actually going. And when you add

651
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: in his retirement talk and his sort of unhappiness even

652
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: before the fight happened, with the potential rewards he was

653
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: going to get by fighting hams On in short notice,

654
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: I think Kevin Holland's gonna have to take a long

655
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: look in the mirror at what am I fighting for?

656
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: What direction am I really going? And I'm not saying

657
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: like you can't be a Touivasa or Derek Lewis and

658
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: be open and say, nah, bro, I'm here for the money.

659
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: I don't care about all your spoils and fame and royalty,

660
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: but you need to be the biggest advocate of your

661
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: own career at the end of the day. And I

662
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: think too many guys are just like f it man,

663
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm the new cowboy and the UFC will take care

664
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: of me. And even if they do quote unquote take

665
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: care of you by certain favorable matchups or by extra

666
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: money here and there, is that the best use of

667
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: your career to maximize it what you're looking for. If

668
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland is just here to have a good time,

669
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: then party on, dude. But if he's not Luke, he's

670
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: not maximizing the skill set in the hard work that

671
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: he's put in to get to this point.

672
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: I think you got to ask, And of course we

673
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: don't know the answer to what I'm about to ask,

674
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: but if it is worth asking, like why would Holland

675
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: fight that way? I mean, our own producer on the

676
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: chat here is reminding us. Of course we said this

677
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: on Friday. But you know, Kevin Holland's not just a

678
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: black belt, he's a Travis Luter black belt, like like

679
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: dude Looter doesn't hand those out man, Like that's hard

680
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: to earn and he's got it and he didn't use

681
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: it at all. So like, the question you have to

682
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: ask yourself is why does Kevin Holland fight this way?

683
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: And you could say, well, he just wants to have

684
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: fun and blah blah blah blah blah, but it's like, due,

685
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: you got to remember something, man, You do this for

686
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: a career, and you do it long enough. Now, maybe

687
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: he won't do it long enough, but if you do,

688
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: it's going to change you. It's going to change the

689
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: way your forties and your sixties look. If you eve

690
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: make it that long, you're taking brain damage you're taking

691
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: orthopedic kind of damage. It's going to have a long

692
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: term effect. If you want to make the most of this,

693
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: you gotta fight in a way that maximizes the opportunity.

694
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: Not necessarily every single time, of every single moment, but

695
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: in general, and letting up an opponent who has a

696
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: noted weakness on the ground twice doesn't speak to that.

697
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: So does does Kevin Holland. And I don't know the

698
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: answer to this. I'm not suggesting I do, but it

699
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: is worth asking why does Kevin Holland fight this way?

700
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: Part of it could be that he just doesn't believe

701
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: he actually can be a champion, So why bother putting

702
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: herself through the rigors of getting to that place on

703
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: that path which is much more difficult and arduous and

704
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: requires more out of you, versus training very hard and

705
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: fighting very hard. I mean, there could be no question

706
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: about his heart. By the way. His chin is just absurd, right,

707
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: you can say that, and he's got some pop he

708
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: hurt wonder boy. But it looks to me like there's

709
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: some internal questions that are happening about how much he

710
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: actually likes this, in what ways he actually likes this?

711
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't like training this way. I

712
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: don't like fighting this way. Only like this way, and

713
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: that's fine. But the rewards for fighting this way, if

714
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: you do want to fight that way, they are much narrower,

715
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: they are much slimmer, they are much harder to come by.

716
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: The rewards beyond that are the very significant, lasting ones.

717
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: You're making a choice to fight this way. Your record's

718
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: gonna speak to it, and in the end, your body

719
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: and your pocketbook are gonna speak to it as well.

720
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: It's an interesting trade off. I don't know. I don't

721
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: know if it makes a lot of sense.

722
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: No, I mean it's hard because we want these type

723
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: of fights. Will That fight was so much fun. I

724
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: saw a lot of people tweet and you know, fighter

725
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: of the Year contender. This feels old school, This is wild.

726
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: It shouldn't have been that good in many ways. And

727
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: it's like, I hate coming down on Kevin Holland for

728
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: wanting to be that guy, But sometimes you become that

729
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: guy when you have figured out you can't be anyone

730
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: but that guy. I'm not sure Kevin Holland has taken

731
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: that full swing. And Luke mindset is important. We found

732
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: out sort of after the fact now looking back, that

733
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: Steven Thoms said had something to prove in this fight,

734
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: and he proved it. I don't know what Kevin Holland's

735
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: true mindset was. If he was talking a lot, you know,

736
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: he was talking more about if I win this fight

737
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: and Hamsat still get some middleweight title fight, I'm quitting.

738
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: You know, it seemed like he was in in the

739
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: wrong type of mindset and and sort of acted out

740
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: on that and maybe the least opportune way or but

741
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: you know, Luke, he's the one in there who was

742
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: laying big shots and maybe he felt he was one

743
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: away from doing that to Thompson. But man, there came

744
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: a point in that fight where it looked like he

745
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: was he was drifting, and he was drifting quickly, and

746
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: and you know, that's that's when I need you to

747
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: bounce back and be smart and safe and take a

748
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: look at the situation, you know, figure out the score

749
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: in your head and try to figure out what you

750
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: need to do to win. And I don't think anybody

751
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: would have been mad at him if that led to

752
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: a succession of takedowns and some ground and pound. But

753
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: you live and you learn, Luke, he's in a precarious

754
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: spot now with two consecutive defeats, still a fun name,

755
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: still a great reputation, but he's gonna have to earn

756
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: his way back into these type of matchups.

757
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, no doubt about it. And again it's just

758
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: a weird thing. It's like you can say, oh, I

759
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: want to fight Wonder Boy on the feet, and again

760
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: he rocked him in the first although he was just

761
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it was an amazing dude. Holland's game plan

762
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: was just to march into to WonderBoy, eat shots and

763
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: hope he could deliver some back, and then the first

764
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: round he could. But this is the other part too.

765
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not gonna go for the takedown. Okay,

766
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: fair enough, but you ended up on top twice twice,

767
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: and we know he's got heavy punches. I would imagine

768
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: he's got some pretty good ground pound and he didn't

769
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: even use it. I get it's one thing to say

770
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna hunt the takedown, but if it's

771
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: fucking it, just it just literally falls underneath you, Jesus,

772
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: and you just let him up twice like you're that's

773
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: a weird, weird choice for a more premium kind of

774
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: fighter to make, and I think it speaks to something

775
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: internally about his commitment to this and everything else. I

776
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: don't know that for a fact, but it certainly raises

777
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: my mind about it. I have to say, all right, PC,

778
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: we talked about the Michael Bispin things, so let's go

779
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: to point number two. Now I realized that RDA was

780
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: in the comin event. We'll circle back to that in

781
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: a minute. I want to talk about the fights that

782
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: we mostly focused on on Friday, the ones that really

783
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: really cared about. Okay, so I was wrong about the

784
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: first fight. Although you did see Holland rock him a

785
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: little bit, there was a little something to what I

786
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: had said. This one way wrong, way, way way wrong.

787
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: Tay t Ivasa gets absolutely bulldozed by Sergei Pavlovich. Wasn't

788
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: even close for two seconds, although it did get a

789
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: little harry in certain spots. BC. Here's the question, did

790
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: Tuyvasa come back to early or is Sergei Pavlovich terribly underrated?

791
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: To be fair, both, but I do think it's still

792
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: a little bit more of the former. Meaning I questioned

793
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: Tay tooo Ivatsa's judgment. I mean this wasn't exactly Michael

794
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: Bisping on medical suspension with the State of New York

795
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: after losing his middleweight title the GSP and getting beaten

796
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: up and submitted put to sleep, you know, then fighting

797
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: Kelvin Gasolom in China and like a week and a

798
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: half noticed, just for a pay day, and he went

799
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: in there, he tried, he got knocked the hell out,

800
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: but it wasn't that far from that, Luke, And you

801
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: know that may have been the result no matter what,

802
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 3: because he fought a fighter who we weren't quite sure.

803
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: But then when you package this performance with all the

804
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: other performances, yeah, Sergei Pavlovitch is coming the hell on.

805
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: He's big, he's strong, his intentions are mean, and his

806
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: execution and willingness to go in the pocket and do

807
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: that damn. I mean, Louke, he didn't really land that

808
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: many punches and did you see Tuvasa's face afterwards? It

809
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: was carnage. So there is an element there that, no

810
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: matter what, that could have been the result. But dude,

811
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: this is not tied to Ivasa putting his career in

812
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: terms of decision making first, in terms of long term

813
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: and he's talking about he just wanted to get this

814
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: fight done and grab the payday and go enjoy the

815
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: holidays with his son and buy a six year old

816
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: son gifts. And you know, I'm all for that, by

817
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: the way, but dude, you can't live for today all

818
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: the time. It's I get that, that's his default style.

819
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: That's what makes him fun, that's what makes him dangerous.

820
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: That's why we love him. What did he really even

821
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: have to gain here? I mean that he was ranked

822
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: one spot higher than you. If he wins this fight,

823
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: he's probably in the same spot more or less than

824
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: he was coming off the loss to God, which was

825
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: he shouldn't have been in that fight. He found his

826
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: way in. It was exciting as hell. He showed that

827
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: he's got this ridiculous superpower that now we must protect

828
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: if we are tui Vasa's management, if we are even

829
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: the UFC and its matchmakers. Because when I made that

830
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: comment about, hey, if John Jones can't come back against

831
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: Anghanu for the title or Stepe, why not make a

832
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: heavyweight debut against Tuiyvasa. For him to even be in

833
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: that conversation for me to say that and actually be

834
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: like that might be a smart idea shows you that

835
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: for as long as this lasts, meaning it's hard to

836
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: keep this type of lifestyle in and out of the

837
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: cage and stay relevant against ranked fighters, But as long

838
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: as he can lean on this superpower, he could make

839
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: some very fun fights and make some memorable long term moments,

840
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: and most importantly for him and his six year old son,

841
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: make us shit a ton of money in doing it.

842
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: This felt like so high risk for little reward, and

843
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: I know it was let me get this last fight

844
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: in so then I can go take a long time

845
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 3: off and rest. But you know, I don't begrudge anybody

846
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: Luke who has a chance at a bag and they

847
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: go after it. I also don't begrudge anybody who's just

848
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: like this is how I operate, but how you operate,

849
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: they have just set you back for a while because

850
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: it was another somewhat I don't say unnecessary, but it

851
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: was another short term huge damage and you know, maybe

852
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: protecting that brand a little more coming off of that

853
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: performance against God could have made fighting guys in the

854
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: top ten to try to improve your ranking no longer

855
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: your game plan, which means from here on out it

856
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: could have been what other heavyweight can I go in

857
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: there and make war with in the main event, or

858
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: could I become a sleepy title contender just by being

859
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: relevant and having given guys really hard fights and packaging

860
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: wins here and there. This felt like bad calculus in

861
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: terms of what might what could potentially happen, and it

862
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: just so happens that it was worst case scenario to

863
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 3: do the I told you so, But I don't want to, Luke,

864
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: because toy Vasa, with all that drinking out his spit

865
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: shoes aside, showed me something against Cyril Gohan that, like,

866
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: damn man, he shouldn't have been in that fight. That

867
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: shouldn't have happened. He made have happened. Luke, he's special.

868
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: It's not gonna last long, but he's special and he's

869
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 3: fun as shit. And I wish UFC would would control

870
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: that element of the match making a little differently and say, nah,

871
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: him against pebblevit's not doesn't really make a lot of sense, right,

872
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: Let's just wait him, let him cool off, kick a

873
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: couple months off, and then we'll do something. Well, you

874
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: can still do that, but now he just got sent

875
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 3: to hell again.

876
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: So all right, Well, if you watch the replays, especially

877
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: there was a couple of big flurries that hurt tui Vasa.

878
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: On the second of them. You can watch it in

879
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: slow motion. They show the replay and what you see

880
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: is it and you see tue Vasa kind of cock

881
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: back with his right hand, and as soon as he

882
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: does that, before he can even come forward, you see

883
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: Pavlovich go right down the middle with a shot on

884
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: that same side. He went with his own left as

885
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: tue Vasa was coming with the right. Why do I

886
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: bring this up up? Because he had game planned for him,

887
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: and they knew he was gonna swing wide, put a

888
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: linear shot down the middle. You can block anything that

889
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: comes up on top of it. In other words, Pavlovich

890
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: had game plan for Tuivasa. I didn't see any evidence

891
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: that tui Vasa game planned for Pavlovitch, not not very

892
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: much anyway, not in any kind of serious way. That

893
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: got going, and I realized that once he got hit

894
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: with a big shot. For a lot of fighters, that's

895
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: out the window. But Pavlovich had a plan and he

896
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: executed it and it worked. You got to give him

897
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: credit for it, even if you want to say, and

898
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: I do want to by the way, I echo everything

899
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: you're saying about Tui Vasa, But let's focus on Pavlovich

900
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: as well in this conversation BC, because it's a guy

901
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: who I've been saying I can't quite tell how good

902
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: he is because you know, he beat Derek Lewis before this,

903
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: but Derek Lewis, we don't know where he's at in

904
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 2: his career. And the other wins who have been nice,

905
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: Maurice Green and Shamiel ab dur raki Mov, but those

906
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: guys aren't the level of his guys we're talking about here.

907
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: But there's a piece of this equation that's missing. And

908
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: I also talk about the fact that he made his

909
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: debut against Overreim and he got bludgeoned, which he did.

910
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: I rewatched that fight to see what's up. He was

911
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: twenty six when he fought over him. It was his UFC.

912
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: He lost three years. He fought Maurice Green in I

913
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: think October of twenty nineteen. He didn't fight again until

914
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: this year. He missed all that time. He was supposed

915
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: to fight Cyril Gone in August of twenty twenty. That

916
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: fight fell apart. He was supposed to fight Tom aspinall

917
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: in September of twenty twenty one. That fight fell apart.

918
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: He was supposed to fight ten Or Bosser in January.

919
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: She's been in December of twenty twenty one, and that

920
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: fight fell apart. He lost twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty

921
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: nine in terms of his years on his birth certificate

922
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: to be competing in the octagon in that time. However,

923
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: he clearly clearly got better. For thirty years old, you're

924
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: wet behind the ears and young at heavyweight, and to me, dude,

925
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: his hand speed, his boxing, his combinations, they are a problem.

926
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: I still have some questions over the long term about

927
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: how he looks because we just don't know. We haven't

928
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: seen him taken into deep water, as with really any

929
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: of these guys. He beat up dur Rokamov in round one,

930
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: Derek Lewis round one to we've also round one Maurice Green,

931
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: round one, Marcelo golm one. We don't know what he

932
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: looks like in round three, four and five if you

933
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: were to fight a gun or somebody else BC. But

934
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: I'm here to say, is Sergey Pavlovich very very, very good?

935
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: And do we now have enough evidence to conclude that yes,

936
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: we do we very much have enough evidence to co Yeah, right,

937
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: finally have a much clear sense of how good he is.

938
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: And he's six for three and he is jacked as shit.

939
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: And you know, we didn't even mention the two year

940
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: gap that he had which leading into this calendar year

941
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: that you mentioned. It looked like that's not easy to do.

942
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: It's not easy to do and pick up right where

943
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 3: you left off and you know, extend to your fifth

944
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: straight first round finish. You remember Habib after the RDA fight,

945
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: taking off two years and coming back like you missed nothing,

946
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: and Tom Cruise and you know, maybe even O'Malley after that.

947
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: You saw the suspension. But it's not often that someone

948
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: can just pick up, so he used that time to

949
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 3: get better.

950
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

951
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: He The fact that we don't have the tape in

952
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: the UFC on him even getting out of the first

953
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: round makes him very interesting moving forward to watch for

954
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: the matchmakers to know, you know, what they have here.

955
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: They don't really, no, nobody really knows. There's a bit

956
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: of a Shane Carwin element to him in terms of

957
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: that regard. But did go the five rounds before the

958
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: UFC that one time in a championship fight, so who

959
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: knows Luke, but he you could not ask for a

960
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 3: better calendar year. Three finishes, all by first round finish,

961
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: and they were I mean three wins, and they were

962
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: all destructive. Seriously, I mean he's battering, he's battering people.

963
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: Maybe the Derek Lewis one didn't give the closure in

964
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: finality we wanted. Yeah, this one did. He should cut dude,

965
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a scar. That shit was deep.

966
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got messed up real good in this one,

967
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: and by the way, he got the performance bonus as

968
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: well his first one. I believe in the UFC. I

969
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: think that's right or certainly one of the person that

970
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: first in some time. Anyway.

971
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has claimed afterwards that they screwed him out

972
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: of it last fight against Derek Lewis.

973
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: Luke, Yeah, well that's because I had the weird stopper is.

974
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: But this one was totally legit, I mean, no issues whatsoever.

975
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: So congrats to Sergey Pavlovich. He has really rebounded quite

976
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: well since Overine put him and put his lights out. Now,

977
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: b C, I want to go to a different fight

978
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: here on this card rather than the co main event,

979
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 2: because I just find this one to be way more interesting,

980
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: and I know you agree. How about old Roman Dalidse. Wow,

981
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: what a performance by him. He shined in stopping Jack Ermanson,

982
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: locks up a calf slicer, uses that essentially to anchor

983
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: himself into position from the back, and then use that

984
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: for ground and pound. By the way, I told you

985
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: I had just recently watched the full seminar that he

986
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: had done Jacker manson on ground to pound of it.

987
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: He got a taste of his own medicine here. So

988
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: you see, I'll just ask you. He hit him with

989
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: a pendulum sweep, he turned him over, had the calf

990
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: slicer from the back, then he finishes him off. How

991
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: good is Roman Dalidze?

992
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, really fucking good. So you know he's gonna have

993
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: his own mini segment with then have you seen this shit?

994
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: So hashtag holy fucking hammer this dude, Luke. But look,

995
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: it's funny Pavlovitch took those two years off and then

996
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: comes back in twenty two with three straight first round

997
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: finishes the same thing without that big gap for dalits

998
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 3: where this calendar year Luke three and oher this one

999
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: was a second round finish. But when you consider the

1000
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: caliber opponent in Jacker Manson and the method that he

1001
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 3: used to do it. These three finishes this calendar year,

1002
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: Kyle Dawkas, Phil Hawes and now Jackermanson. Dude, they have

1003
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: been fucking brutal and I put the effort on that

1004
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: for a reason, Luke. He is coming out there with

1005
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: authority to show people that when we're making these talks

1006
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: about this bin behind me, Luke, of these hammers that

1007
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: we pull out from that side of the world, that

1008
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: you better put respect on his name. And look, you know,

1009
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: I may come to him as a fan through different

1010
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: venues than you do right, particularly through Instagram, but I'll

1011
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: say this, Luke, we're not talking about mister of listmus here.

1012
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: We're talking about Roman Delidze for this division. He has

1013
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: used this calendar year to announce himself. Not that we'd

1014
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: never heard of him before, but something serious has changed

1015
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: in terms of his commitment, his execution and the nastiness. Luke,

1016
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: have you ever even seen that at a fight this level,

1017
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: the CAF slicer take his back in and pound him

1018
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: like he was freaking brock Lesner in the mirror rematch.

1019
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: I mean, this is some brutal shit, Dude.

1020
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: I've seen Obviously a lot of cap slices from the back,

1021
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: it's typically how they're done, but never in the way

1022
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: that he did it, where he was able to kind

1023
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: of scoot out the back and then roll his opponent

1024
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: onto their stomach and then go like that. I had

1025
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: someone tell me the comments that like, oh, I've seen

1026
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: I saw that at an amateur fight. Well, yeah, you

1027
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: see all kinds of crazy shit at the amateur at

1028
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: low level pros. That means nothing. You got to do

1029
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: it to a guy who's top ten in the fucking

1030
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: world in his hers real is how you do it?

1031
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, her mansion's really good. This was like with ease.

1032
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: So to that point, yeah, you can see the picture

1033
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: here that is unusual. And as the point I would

1034
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: like I'd like to make, I had someone ask me

1035
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: the other day, like, you know, went out of the

1036
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: dak is Steini style going to get figured out? And

1037
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: of course you could find some version of some skill

1038
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: set that will have an answer for it, But that's

1039
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: not really the answer. The long term answer is that basically,

1040
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: people are going to copy whatever works in MMA. They're

1041
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: going to copy some of those setups, they're going to

1042
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: copy the training, they're gonna copy what they can, and

1043
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: the betterfighters are going to make good use of it.

1044
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: It gets democratized when Anderson Silva hit that front kick

1045
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: to the face on vtor belfour. Yes you had seen

1046
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: front kick ko's and other combat related sports or whatever,

1047
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: but in the UFC that was fairly uncommon. Since then,

1048
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: it's been democratized. Basically, he basically gifted it to everyone. Now,

1049
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: cap slishers are hard to hit, but I guarantee you

1050
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: someone else is going to hit this in least the

1051
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: next couple of years or something like it, very quickly,

1052
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: because he shows you the possibility of what can happen.

1053
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: Once you get in that position, you're basically stuck that.

1054
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: There's really no good answer from there, which is why

1055
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: you didn't see him struggle. There's no real way to

1056
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: turn out from it that I'm aware of anyway, certainly,

1057
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: and so it was a phenomenal win. And by the way,

1058
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: bec you mentioned the good year he's had. We just

1059
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: talked about Sergey Pavlovich having a good year. Here's the

1060
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two for Roman Dalidze. He beat Kyle Daukas

1061
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: in round one with from knees and the clinch of course,

1062
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: the punches afterwards, he punched out Phil Hawes' lights in

1063
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: round one and he beat Jack Hermanson inside. This is

1064
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: round two, of course, but he got the sweep and

1065
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: then he got on top in that round. Remarkable more.

1066
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: You know, I went forward to fight on that about

1067
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: a minute ago. But I like that you did it

1068
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: the second time so that I can say this, the

1069
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: nastiness of the three wins is different. Dude. I went

1070
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 3: back and watched those two after after that fight ended,

1071
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, he affed up somebody else this year. No,

1072
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: it turns out Daucas Ann Hawes and Dude, he f

1073
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: them up in those fights like that was like street

1074
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: fight endings in terms of the brutality. Right. So I'd

1075
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: like to know Luke because he had a win in

1076
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: June of twenty twenty one, but then he was off

1077
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: a full year before the Daucas fight. So he'd beat

1078
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: Loreano's Sterupoli by decision, and he had lost to Trevon

1079
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: Giles before that. Uh, he was three and one of

1080
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: the U in the UFC entering this calendar year, but

1081
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: he had taken that full year off. I'd like to

1082
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: interview him. I wonder what has changed.

1083
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: In that, Luke.

1084
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you know, maybe Seian Flismus has changed

1085
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: that year. Maybe that's the secret, Luke, I don't know.

1086
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: But did you also hear John Annix say he was

1087
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: the scariest guy they've ever had in fighter interviews and

1088
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: made him feel the most intimidating. You probably didn't hear

1089
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: that because you like to watch with the volume down.

1090
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: But like I do fighter interviews, as do you a

1091
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: lot on the boxing side, I think they're very valuable.

1092
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: There are times when people come in there with a

1093
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: feeling and a mood where you're just like, oh shit.

1094
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: I like to have seen that interview Luca. That almost

1095
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: makes Roman Delede seem even scarier. That he was like

1096
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: intensifying the shit out of Ja and making him feel something.

1097
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, no doubt about it. And this is a again,

1098
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: it just seems to me like before he was kind

1099
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: of I don't know if rationing his offense is quite

1100
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: the right work, because I don't think it was a

1101
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: cardio issue, but he just didn't seem to have enough

1102
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: offensive will previously and now he does, and guys cannot

1103
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: stand up to it, and not just on the feet,

1104
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: but on the ground. As well. He's got his weaknesses,

1105
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: to be clear, but now his strengths have been majorly amplified.

1106
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: So we'll see where he ends up in the rankings.

1107
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: BC question back to you, who else on this card

1108
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: stood out to you and why?

1109
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of these names are going to prop up

1110
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: more on have you seen the shit based on their finishes,

1111
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: But this coal Car had a combined feel of like

1112
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: aging fighter redemption meaning it doesn't have to be somebody

1113
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: who's passed their prime, but when you take victories by

1114
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: Angela Hill, Kuai Guida, Michael Johnson, Eric Anders. Yeah, and

1115
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: the attitude, the method that they showed, how gutsy, how

1116
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: gritty they executed their game plan and were able to

1117
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: kind of turn back the clock in terms of the

1118
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: control they had. I was impressed across the board on

1119
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: these performances. I mean, Phil Rowe was getting the shit

1120
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: kicked out of him by Nico Price and rallied for

1121
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 3: that stiff knockout. Look, there's a few. I might even

1122
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: mentioned Matteas Nicolau, who extended that long win streak in

1123
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 3: what he announced after was the final fight of his deal.

1124
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: So we'll see if he gets re signed and how

1125
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 3: much that knockout in second round over Matt Schnell launches

1126
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: him into into a deeper level of contention here. I

1127
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: don't know who to pick who I'm most impressed with?

1128
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 3: Did one stand out to you above the rest? Because

1129
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: we can talk about each one of those if you want,

1130
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: we could.

1131
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: I don't need to go through the whole bit about them.

1132
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: I thought Michael Johnson, it was nice to see him

1133
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: get back well he had previously won.

1134
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 3: But you know, put dude, what was Ja Casey doing?

1135
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: Man?

1136
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: You thought you had the fight in the bag, Like

1137
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: Michael Johnson fought his ass off and I love to

1138
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: see it, and it was resurgent and it bought him

1139
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 3: kind of a chance out of new life. But Ja

1140
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 3: Casey was looking good in that first round and then

1141
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: he stopped.

1142
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't have a good answer for

1143
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: you to answer the question you sorry, the answer the

1144
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: question you did ask previously, like who really stood out

1145
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: to me? The one who opened the show? And again

1146
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I pronounced her last name, but it's

1147
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: what Eggy or what a gee? I don't know where

1148
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: if there's access on the name or not, but you

1149
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: asked me and what a Gee looked tremendous, and the

1150
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: best part about it was she's still putting her game together.

1151
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: She's still in development. She gets dropped early by her

1152
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: opponent Nunez, but rallied and then closed the show on her,

1153
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: showing not only does she have ability, but grit and

1154
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: determination and the ability to persevere through difficulty when the

1155
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: when the moment arises or calls for it, anyway, we're

1156
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: going a solid win by her.

1157
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna see that shit shortly. But this card had

1158
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: bangers and had the crowd. It was good to see.

1159
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: Obviously everyone's saying the same thing, because it's true. It's

1160
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: good to see these really good fight Night cards get

1161
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: out of the apex and get somewhere. But Luke, say

1162
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 3: what you will about the clientele in the state of Florida,

1163
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: which includes some of my family members. Luke, although you

1164
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: might actually be right in the end, is that those

1165
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: crowds come out, they're hungry, they're aggressive, right Jacksonville was

1166
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: the case in the past, and right here Orlando, they

1167
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: seemed to meet the energy that a lot of these

1168
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: fighters had. There were a lot of like statement performances.

1169
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 3: I mean, like we said, you know, Michael Johnson not done. Hey,

1170
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: goodwin for Clay Guita retiring Scott Holtzman. But dude, we

1171
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: were saying a lot of great things, rightfully so about

1172
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 3: Emily Dakoty and in her potential here at women's straweight,

1173
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 3: and dude, Angela Hill came in and shut her down.

1174
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: Man, I mean that was did I was very surprised.

1175
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised that hell won. I think

1176
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: that fight was close enough that it was going to

1177
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: go either way. I think the odds spoke to that

1178
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: pre fight, but just how clinical she looked and like

1179
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: clearly like she you know what, it was Funny sometimes

1180
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: fighters are far apart in talent, and then sometimes they

1181
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: are like somewhat apart in talent, but then that talent difference, however,

1182
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: my marginal may be, is amplified by snorty in the

1183
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: game and like really understanding what works for you and

1184
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: what works in the moment. She just looked like she

1185
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: knew the octagon better and she knew how to fight

1186
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: up to her strengths better, and Ducatti just didn't have

1187
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: an answer for it. And great, great win by Angela Hill, who,

1188
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: by the way, her record is very deceiving BC she

1189
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: sits today. I think her record is fifteen and twelve. Man,

1190
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: that doesn't really tell you the story at all. Sounds like, oh,

1191
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: she's almost a five hundred fighter. No, fam, she's a

1192
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: lot better than that.

1193
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is Michael Johnson coming in with a

1194
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: twenty two and eighteen and that fight and getting the way.

1195
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: It's that same feeling. But dude, that was such a

1196
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: step up performance from Hill. And if we're really being

1197
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: honest that she is what she does. It's like every

1198
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: time we think she's on the verge of entering a

1199
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: long losing streak, she'll come back and beat somebody who

1200
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: you didn't think she would and do it like this

1201
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 3: and controlling, professional aggressive fashion. I mean, I was blown

1202
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: away by that. A great performance. I could talk about

1203
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: a lot. I mean, Eric Aris was punching holes through

1204
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: Kyle Dawcas Luke. I didn't expect that.

1205
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: Nope, didn't expect that either. Kyle Dawkas. We talked about

1206
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: tytuy Vasa coming back too soon. Kyle Dawkas might have

1207
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: come back too soon as well. You know, obviously, you

1208
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: know Erica hits really hard, so that counts. But I

1209
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I didn't. I didn't like how some

1210
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: of these guys they feel like they're Wolverine. And I

1211
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: get it, right, I understand how they might believe that,

1212
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: but you got to listen to what like not just

1213
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: the doctors, but like what the old heads in the

1214
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: gym are saying. It's like, dude, take your time coming

1215
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: back from an injury like that. And I still have

1216
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: a high belief or a high opinion of him and

1217
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: the belief that he can do well Kyle Daukas, but

1218
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: it is a bit of a reset moment for him,

1219
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: for sure.

1220
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: Do you think to close on your boy? Did he

1221
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 3: get like, was it easier to achieve poontang while a

1222
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: linebacker on a national championship Alabama team or as a

1223
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: respected UFC.

1224
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: Fighter gotta be on Alabama national.

1225
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: Just you know, Southern bells, Luke, I mean, you know,

1226
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to glorify that lifestyle, but it must

1227
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: have been it must have been something special. And by

1228
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: the way, shout out to our guy Phil McKagan, you know,

1229
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: friend of the show. Uh, former college football star at Maine,

1230
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 3: Deon Sanders is your new coach of the Colorado Buffaloes.

1231
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: Luke so uh, you know interesting things going on in Boulder.

1232
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: You don't care about this at all?

1233
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: What is what is Phil coaching? Now?

1234
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: Phil was the associate head coach, so I don't. But

1235
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 3: you know, Deon's coming in.

1236
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: Am I bringing his own people? Right?

1237
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: I don't know the situation of that, but I was

1238
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: excited for you know what, You're right, I should check

1239
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: in with Phil and get those details because I was

1240
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: excited for him. I was like, Deon's coming, This is great, Luke.

1241
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it means Deon's bringing someone into replacement, which

1242
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: case not. But yeah, the dude coaching is brutal. Man's

1243
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: not like Phil's not good, He's great.

1244
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: But well, maybe Dion knows what's up. And it's the

1245
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: Deon and Phil show. Moving forward? All right, prime time

1246
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: and yeah.

1247
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about number four on the rundown

1248
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: here at BC at one on prime video five. I mean, folks,

1249
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: there are not there's a handful of more than a handful,

1250
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: but there's the list of people that I tell to

1251
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: pay attention to outside of the UFC. It's relatively small,

1252
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: relatively speaking, right, and even side of the UFCT, the list

1253
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: of small who you should actually pay attention to. But

1254
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: the point I'm trying to make is if there is

1255
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: if someone were to ask me, like, hey, who's someone

1256
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: really interesting you should pay attention to outside of the UFC,

1257
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 2: the answer is going to be anatotally Mallikin, anatotally Mallikin

1258
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: fucking demolished Nar de Ritter. I mean he absolutely De

1259
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: Ritter was never in this fight. Now understand something. De

1260
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: Rittter is a two weight world champion, or at least

1261
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: was at middleweight and light heavyweight. He still is at middleweight.

1262
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 2: Light heavyweight was a step up for him and MALAKINBC,

1263
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: as you well know, is the interim heavyweight champion. They're

1264
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: trying to figureut what's going to happen with Argent Buller,

1265
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: but he went down a weight class essentially to fight

1266
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,959
Speaker 2: de Ritter at light heavyweight and crushed him. Let's ask

1267
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: this question, how good is anatolely Mellikin terrifyingly good?

1268
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: So, like, I think we have to be careful at

1269
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: like the clowning reaction we have when when a fighter

1270
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: in a big spot at sent too hell, it's all

1271
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 3: you know, we're almost like, yeah, there you go, wait

1272
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: to dare to be great. You know that's what happened,

1273
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: So I don't want to do that because we're neer

1274
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: de ritter. You know, when he comes out of our

1275
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: show and is like, you know, I'll beat Adasania in

1276
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: Poeton the same night, I'm gonna win titles in three divisions.

1277
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: I love when people talk like that and are also

1278
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: unbeaten in a two division champion and have this track record,

1279
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: So I got I want to sit here and say

1280
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: I got so much respect for our DR to go

1281
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: up basically due to the rehydration rules, basically move up

1282
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: to heavyweight because they came in what in the low

1283
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: two twenties, so he's basically moving up to a third division.

1284
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: Although this was technically a light heavyweight fight and facing

1285
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: the unbeaten current interim heavyweight champion who was trying to

1286
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: make his big name a big moment, it just so

1287
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: happened that that was a leap not only two far,

1288
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: but way too far because of how scary frickin' good

1289
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: this guy is. Luke. I heard the result before I

1290
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: watched the fight, so what I figured was RDR did

1291
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: r DR things until he walked into a bomb and

1292
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: that was it. Then I watched that fight and it

1293
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: was systematic demolition, not just with the body shots, the

1294
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: stiff jabs and those hard right hands that every time

1295
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: they landed, you're like, oh shit, the Dutch Knight is

1296
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: you know, you can't take more than those, and his

1297
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: face was getting bright red as you can see in

1298
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: the pictures. But even separate from that, he stuffed every

1299
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: single takedown that so coming in. Luke I talked to

1300
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: RDR at length, I'm like, you know what's gonna happen?

1301
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you waiting for that opponent that can

1302
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: stuff your takedowns consistently and make this a striking match,

1303
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 3: And he almost like laughed at me, like, oh yeah,

1304
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: you know, nobody's gonna do that. Dude. Malikin came out

1305
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: and did that dominantly, just straight up shut the front

1306
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: door on him and was like, you're gonna fight for

1307
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: your life out here on this porch only that's his

1308
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: playground in the striking game, dude. It was systematic demolition,

1309
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: almost as like striking and blowing you away, as like

1310
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: you know Rousey Holm or Pacchio de la Hoya where

1311
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: you're just like, oh my god, this is the one

1312
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: side of the shit. That's exactly what it was this

1313
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: guy's already got the interim heavyweight title. Now he's the

1314
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: light heavyweight champion. He's undefeated, he's in his prime from Russia,

1315
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: and if you saw, we'll see him and have you

1316
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: seen this shit? But if you saw like his postfight interview,

1317
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 3: he's just like, I'm the best I have the best wife,

1318
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: I have the best kid, I have the best boss.

1319
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: Look at me now, Like that's through translation and I'm

1320
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: mattering the boor thing there to make it funny, but

1321
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: it's almost like he's just like, I'm a fucking badass.

1322
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: What you're gonna do about it? Yeah? What is Argent

1323
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: Buller going to do about it? What is anybody going

1324
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: to do about it? I came in here hyping RDR

1325
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: because his accomplishments were very impressive, and by the way,

1326
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: they still are. But dude, he ran into a guy

1327
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: who's coming the fuck right now. So you know me

1328
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: a year ago, I was just like, dude, I don't

1329
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: have time for one, you know what I mean? Maybe

1330
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: like I was last year when I bid in on

1331
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: PFL and was like, oh man, this cadge is pretty

1332
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: fucking smart. Dude. One's really good right now? The matchups people,

1333
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: the hammers, people going for it, the constant aggressive matchmaking

1334
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 3: of champion against champion. This was so compelling to watch

1335
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: and as for as long as it landed, it lasted.

1336
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 3: And now I can't wait to see where both guys go, because, Luke,

1337
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 3: this is as devastating a loss as r DR can face.

1338
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: And I know he's already the champion of middleweight and

1339
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 3: I know, you know he can go into the grappling

1340
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 3: divisions like he's as good as he gets on the ground.

1341
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: But dude, he got sent to hell. And it wasn't

1342
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: a It wasn't a fluke, It wasn't luck.

1343
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1344
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: I give our DR so much credit for take standing

1345
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: out on this, standing out in the rain and saying

1346
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 3: bring it. Oh oh they got fucking brought. Luke, is

1347
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: this a career altering defeat based on how freaking brutal

1348
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: and one sided that it was? That's my question to you.

1349
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: I definitely feel like, dude, like to your point, you really,

1350
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: if you guys are Amazon Prime members out there, if

1351
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: you can find a copy of the fight, however, you

1352
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: can strongly encourage you to watch. It doesn't last very long,

1353
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: less than a round, so you're not asking for a

1354
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: ton of time to sit down and take a look

1355
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: at this. I'm not I'm not doing a bit here.

1356
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: De Ritter looks like he's trying to take down a

1357
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: brick wall. Like it never it never gets close, and

1358
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: he makes several attempts, especially early from trips from the

1359
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: clinch like there it was. It looked. It looked like, honestly,

1360
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: like Twokey trying to take me down. Dude, like it was.

1361
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, but he's six four, dude, dr

1362
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: six foot four and huge and he got just decimated. Man.

1363
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: So I want to tell you about this comparison. See

1364
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: what you think of it, BC, because I haven't fully

1365
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: fleshed it out, but it's just something that courted me

1366
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: when I watched him punch. Now, in terms of personality,

1367
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: Malakin is the opposite of a name. I'm about to say, Malakin.

1368
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: To your point, you gotta watch the post by interview.

1369
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: The guys like pretty happy, lucky, he's jovial, he's intense,

1370
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: super intense, don't get me wrong, but he's kind of happy.

1371
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: He's bubbly, he's full of life, right, and I mean

1372
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: that in very positive way. Obviously, he's a terrifying force

1373
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: of nature in the cage, but in terms of how

1374
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: he punches and some of the mechanical advantages he retains,

1375
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 2: he reminds me of Fador. He reminds me of a

1376
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: smaller heavyweight who has heavyweight strength but like light heavyweight

1377
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 2: or even middleweight speed, and he uses both of them.

1378
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: He's got a wrestling background, so he could shut everything down.

1379
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: He's strong as a fucking ox, but his hand speed

1380
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: is terrifying and his punching power is all heavyweight and

1381
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: he can reach long distances with it. He can cover

1382
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: ground super easily. Like dude, he has put Everyone's like,

1383
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: oh well, he thought a guy who's not in the

1384
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: right weight class. Go look at the heavyweights. He did

1385
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: that too. They fall the exact same way. His power

1386
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: definitely carries at heavyweight. Does that comparison mechanically he functions

1387
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: resonate with you at all?

1388
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, and it's an interesting one. But he

1389
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 3: was that fricking scary, and it's like, you know, the

1390
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: easy reaction here is to go, okay, you know, I'm

1391
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 3: like where BC was? You know, f this extra organization.

1392
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: It's not as good as this or that. I don't

1393
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 3: care I don't want to see it. You could make

1394
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: that mistake. But if you go back and watch all

1395
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: these RDR fights in multiple weight classes leading nin dude,

1396
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: as soon as he gets his hands on you, you not

1397
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: only are taken down, he's already in like move two

1398
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: and a half of setting you up for the submission

1399
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: and the finish. I mean, Luke, there is something about

1400
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 3: RDR that's just next level that jumps through the screen.

1401
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,479
Speaker 3: And this dude, Mallikin didn't win this fight because again

1402
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 3: of one lucky puncher, because of size, even though he

1403
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: was the bigger man coming down, it won this fight

1404
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: because he seems to be special and dominant. So, Luke,

1405
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm just hooked on a feeling

1406
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: here and but one is checking some boxes in for

1407
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: me right now, it almost feels equivalent, not because of

1408
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 3: the side of the world they're on, but like when

1409
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: I got back into wrestling a couple years ago, pro wrestling.

1410
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: I know you don't you don't care about this or want

1411
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 3: to hear this, and you know there's WWE and there's

1412
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: strong stuff going on in the indies, but I'm like,

1413
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: you know, WW is the best, but the flavor man,

1414
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: it's not always just for me. And then I tried

1415
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: out New Japan Pro Wrestling and I'm like, oh, that's different.

1416
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 3: It's grittier, it's you know, the matchmaking, booking thought process

1417
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: is just different right now, Luke, there's something about what

1418
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: one is offering that it wouldn't work if you didn't

1419
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: have elite fighters, and it seems like they do. It

1420
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 3: wouldn't work if you didn't have awesome fights, and boy

1421
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 3: do they. But they're storytelling through the matchmaking tends to

1422
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 3: be more compelling on average than some of their competitors

1423
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: of late. Now, maybe that's the gimmick of putting champion

1424
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 3: against champions so often, which chatrean company seemed to, you know,

1425
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: almost they're willing to over abuse that formula. But like

1426
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: you exit some of these fights going oh shit, maybe

1427
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's just you're new to some of

1428
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 3: the I'm new to some of these athletes, but I'm like, man,

1429
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: I gotta follow them now out down this road. I

1430
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: gotta see storyline wise, what's coming up next with the booking,

1431
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 3: and you know they're hot right now.

1432
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: Now.

1433
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 3: At the same time, there's a quote floating around where

1434
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: Chatre's like we are bigger than UFC. There's no question

1435
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: in terms of viewership or engagement that around the world

1436
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 3: we're the better organization. No, but I'm really happy with

1437
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 3: this one product so far. So it's that you can

1438
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: be both things at once, right, Look, it's fine.

1439
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's just I don't know why, Like

1440
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: you would say something like who, who's the intended audience

1441
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: for some bullshit like that, you know what I mean?

1442
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't even maybe probably investors, probably investors.

1443
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: Right, probably investors. I'm not sure. I think it's Basher

1444
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: Ahmad or maybe it's mass Ume. I'm not sure who. No, sorry,

1445
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: not Wasshir Ahmad. I'm not sure. I think it's It

1446
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: could be Sheer Ahman, it could be Macuum. I'm not

1447
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: sure who the official matchmaker is at this point for one.

1448
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: But whoever it is, they're doing a good job. Like

1449
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: they're doing a good job. Like of all the things

1450
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: you can say about one, fine Sam, But on that

1451
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: issue of like finding and selecting good talent and the

1452
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: right permutations, they're good at it. They're real good at it.

1453
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: So that's why you get fights like this, And this

1454
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: was a bit of a blowout. But what a revelation.

1455
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,479
Speaker 2: Malachin turns out to be now BC also on this card.

1456
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: Just real quick aside, what role does Rich Franklin, Let's

1457
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: shout out Ace, who we enjoyed having on our show.

1458
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 3: Is he involved in some of this, you know, long

1459
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 3: term matchmaking and how they're trying to send people up

1460
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: or I'm not sure.

1461
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: I know he has a few administrative roles that are

1462
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: pretty important. I don't know what role he plays in matchmaking.

1463
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: We should get him back on the show and then ask. Yeah,

1464
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: for sure, I like Ace, I like Elrich Franklin, all right.

1465
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: Roberto Soldich, who folks like, well, who's that? While he

1466
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: was a two eight world champion in KSW who knocked

1467
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: out drinkis dupless Driggs dupless, is undefeated in UFC, is

1468
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: about to fight Darren Till. Yeah, Roberto Soldich is very

1469
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: very good. Had the worst fucking debut ever, kicked in

1470
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: the balls. There was no real fight. He had stopped BC.

1471
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: This hasn't happened to my knowledge, on a major platform

1472
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: since Alessio Sakara, which I watched this lot. I remember

1473
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: this very very vividly. Alessio Sakara made his UFC debut

1474
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: against the guy by the name of Ron Faircloth. Ron

1475
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: Faircloth kicked him in the balls so fucking hard they

1476
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: had to get the puke bucket out for him and

1477
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: he's drying in the middle of the octagon. A horrific

1478
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: one debut, was it not.

1479
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: That's Kish versus Harrigg levels of gross, Luke. Yeah, but no,

1480
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: Luckily this didn't have that gross element. But I gotta

1481
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: ask you, I gotta spin it back at you. Now,

1482
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 3: this is a horrific uh debut. But I've texted you

1483
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: when I was watching this, you know, on delay and

1484
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: going man chatre on the broadcast just seemed to make

1485
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 3: it feel like this is the biggest MMA free agent

1486
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: signing globally. So I expected that with some promoter you know,

1487
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: promoter speak in general. But I did text you and say, okay, like,

1488
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: how good is this guy, Luke? How good is this

1489
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 3: RoboCop guy with pitbull in the in the flag of

1490
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 3: Croatian his shorts because he looks like a badass. I

1491
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 3: don't know much about him, looks I'm a film.

1492
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: He's very good. He's very, very very good. Two of

1493
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: his losses, one was to drink stuple c, which he

1494
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: avenged and then knocked him out. And if you watch

1495
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: the second fight, it's not specially I mean it's not

1496
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: it's not like a blowout, but it wasn't. It wasn't

1497
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: like super close. Soldiers was much better. And then his

1498
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: other loss was a split decision against you know, we're

1499
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: talking like relevant relevant portions of his career was to

1500
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 2: Yarslov Amazov, right blterweight champion, right exactly, dude, we're talking

1501
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: about a guy like how he died, yeah, at exactly,

1502
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 2: and he was he was a two weight world champion

1503
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: in KSW. Like when he signed, everyone thought he was

1504
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 2: going to go to UFC. It was like a fourgone

1505
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: conclusion and then he went to one big signing by them,

1506
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:35,480
Speaker 2: big signing.

1507
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 3: All r right over on the call too. Do you

1508
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: think he tore it up in the Philippines afterwards or

1509
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 3: is this joke just abusive and not necessary.

1510
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 2: It's a little bit abusive and not necessary. There were

1511
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: some other wins, by the way at the Cup. The

1512
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 2: subsequent card, I think it was one one sixty four

1513
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: because they always do two cards back to back. Brandon

1514
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: Vera retired. I don't know if anyone saw that.

1515
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 3: I believe we're going to talk about him and later

1516
01:08:59,280 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: in the show, I've.

1517
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 2: Been okay, very good. All right, Then let's go to

1518
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: the last of NBC A bit of a boxing round up.

1519
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: Let's start with Fury. Even though that fight was stupid.

1520
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: So Tyson Fury, of course beats the fucking bags off

1521
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 2: of Ereric Chiezora stops him in the tenth round. Felt

1522
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: like you could have stopped him at any point he

1523
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: really wanted to. It was one sided BULLSHITTERYBC. Before we

1524
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: get to Choko Latito, what do you have to say

1525
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: about Tyson Fury?

1526
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean, let's like, what a waste of that many

1527
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: people in the stadium, And that was weird. By the way,

1528
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: something we didn't talk about was that they did it

1529
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: at the outdoor Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium in like thirty degree

1530
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: winter weather, which again was just freaking weird. Look this

1531
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: had I was getting nervous a little bit because it

1532
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: looked like he was gonna knock Jasora out early, and

1533
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 3: it already looked like why are we doing This's like,

1534
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on? We already talked about it.

1535
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: Ad nausey, I'm like, what are we doing here? All right?

1536
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 3: And then Chisora just kind of lingers, and then his

1537
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 3: face was getting to a level that I don't know

1538
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: if you remember Luke, when Vitali Klitschko defended this evyweight

1539
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: championship against Shannon Briggs and it became insanely one sided.

1540
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: But yet Briggs like refused to go away and took

1541
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 3: I mean really an abominal beating that left him in

1542
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 3: the hospital and like just unnecessary, meaning the fight was

1543
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 3: so one sided he wasn't going to rally to victory.

1544
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 3: It would have been one of those fights where it

1545
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 3: would have been smart for somebody to jump in and

1546
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 3: like round date and be like, okay, we know where

1547
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 3: this is going. This almost was one of those, so

1548
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: I'm glad that it didn't. But it's like, given how

1549
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: friendly they were, that played against this fight even ever

1550
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 3: being booked, and then it played against you know, it's like,

1551
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm not in I'm not here to show you on

1552
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: have you seen the shit these two hugging in the

1553
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: locker room afterwards? In Sharon Berger's I didn't put it

1554
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: in the mix because just given the landscape, I thought

1555
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: it was an unnecessary risk. I thought it was a

1556
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 3: waste of time. Would I have been this angry if

1557
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: he just picked a different, faded, aging opponent and not

1558
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: one who he beat twice already in one side of fashion.

1559
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 3: I mean maybe again, I'm not. I want fighters to

1560
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: fight more often than not for our entertainment purposes. I

1561
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: think this once or twice a year modern thing is

1562
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 3: not unless it's you know, if you're gonna do it

1563
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: for health reasons and that's the business plan you're on. Okay,

1564
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 3: but this is just this was like a worst case

1565
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 3: scenario because it felt like it was presented as a

1566
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: big thing and it wasn't, And the only thing that

1567
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 3: could have happened was negative and bad. And at the

1568
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: very least, it was good to hear Fury for the

1569
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 3: most part be like, yeah, let's fight Usick. Let's do

1570
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: this next. So that's the fight we want and need.

1571
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 3: But in Usik's face afterwards, he was like, you know,

1572
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: he was sick. If we can't figure this fight out,

1573
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 3: I'll be happy to fight Joe Joyce right here too.

1574
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 5: Now.

1575
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 3: I'd also love that fight, but how many more times

1576
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: we're going to risk the four belt unifications? So let's

1577
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: get this undisputed thing done because it makes it makes heroes.

1578
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 3: It makes legends. We'll find out who is the heavyweight

1579
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 3: of this era. Let's find it out, because Tyson Fury

1580
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 3: deserves to be in that conversation. But like a typical

1581
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 3: Tyson Fury night at the office, there are a lot

1582
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 3: of weird elements to this fight that can we just

1583
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 3: forget it and move on?

1584
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: Luke, I mean what we learned?

1585
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 3: We learned that he dodged every bullet.

1586
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Basically, everyone waited forty five minutes of a

1587
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 2: fight no one cared about to just see the face

1588
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: off between him and Usick. And by the way, Fury

1589
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: did say something after the fight that I thought was

1590
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. He was like, listen, how many times

1591
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: have you seen Anthony Joshua show up to one of

1592
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: these things to get in my face? He's like, you've

1593
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: never seen him. He's like, I'll give credit to Usik.

1594
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: Usik showed up to be right in my face to

1595
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: make this fight happen. Both promoters saying at this point

1596
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: they expect a deal to be done in a matter

1597
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: of weeks. So I will say I'm feeling a little

1598
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: bit more optimistic about that fight being made than I

1599
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: had been previously because what about it, he's such a

1600
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: wild card.

1601
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 3: What about the Fury reveal Luke that he needs elbow

1602
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 3: surgery and he has to get his risk fixed and

1603
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: he still thinks he'll be fine for March or April.

1604
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, what's possible. M's that's not that's I mean,

1605
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: obviously depends on the injury and his recovery and how

1606
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: well he does it. But that's that's not crazy. That's

1607
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: that's potentially a little a little aggressive, but.

1608
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: Okay in that regardable yay. But it felt like a

1609
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 3: waste of time and you know, just sort of a

1610
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 3: sloppy beaten I mean, it's like, did Fury look good? Yeah,

1611
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 3: in pockets, you look really good. So it's like, I'm

1612
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 3: not fearful that Fury has fallen off. Although Luke his

1613
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: love handles were comically pronounced. You gotta be honest, right,

1614
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I was.

1615
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: Like, I don't if you're ready for that jelly. I mean,

1616
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 2: them shits were jangling.

1617
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 3: Even DC was like, dude, not taking the shirt off

1618
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 3: again publicly, you know what I mean. Like it was

1619
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: like at that level, Luke, there was like extra ash cheek.

1620
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: You know. Let he who was out sand cast the

1621
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: first stone. I mean, oh yeah, pieces of shit. But

1622
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: my man's love handles when he puts a shirt on,

1623
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 2: like you like it's a coffee table. You could rest

1624
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: things on it.

1625
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. With that said, yeah, he did look good and

1626
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 3: I have no look, he's gonna be the favorite against usick.

1627
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 3: He should be. Let's make that fight for history. But

1628
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: it's like I almost was like, man, all those people

1629
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 3: came out there and stood in the cold. I mean,

1630
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 3: at least they got a barn burner in that Dubois fight,

1631
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: which we'll see and have you seen this ship?

1632
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that was a great fight. That was

1633
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: a great fight.

1634
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 3: The best thing we could say is that nothing bad happened,

1635
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: you know, nothing too bad happened. So let's survive in advance.

1636
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the fight that was most interesting.

1637
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: This will wrap up our top five of the weekend.

1638
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: So I hear another prediction I totally bombed on.

1639
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 3: Although although this.

1640
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: One was really weird, BC.

1641
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 3: Well, tell me why it was weird.

1642
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: I want to hear it, Luke, So let me just

1643
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: say what happened and Wan Francisco Estrada defeats Choco Latito

1644
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: via majority decision. I believe it was one fourteen, one

1645
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: to fourteen on one of the judges score cards, and

1646
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 2: then two of them were one to fifteen to one thirteen.

1647
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: Now Here's why it was weird because through six maybe

1648
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: seven rounds, depending on how you scored it, Choko Latito

1649
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: looked like shit. He looked like shit. I couldn't believe that.

1650
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: I wasn't well. I will grant you, I will grant you.

1651
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: Estrada looked way better than I thought he was going

1652
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: to better than I said it was even possible, So

1653
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: I'll take that l there. But BC, I'm not wrong

1654
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: about this. That was a different fight, and that was

1655
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: a different fighter from the seventh round on. Choco Latito

1656
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: from the seventh round on, Yeah, got in his face,

1657
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: his feet were moving, his combinations were flowing, and then

1658
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: the fight turned into what I thought it was going

1659
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: to be. It just took him seven rounds to get there.

1660
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: What the fuck happened?

1661
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 3: A few couple things harre so I turned out I

1662
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 3: was right, like punch drunk Pete was in my DMS

1663
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: the right before the fight started, like which way do

1664
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,799
Speaker 3: I bet this? And I'm like, dude, this line doesn't

1665
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: make any sense, Like we're asking a lot of Chuck

1666
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 3: Latito nearly two years removed from a performance that was

1667
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 3: already like turned back the clock, and even though he's

1668
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: looked good and between them, you know, I felt like

1669
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 3: Estrata was a live dog. In fact, I picked a

1670
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 3: Strata to ultimately win by decision by outworking him. That's

1671
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: what happened. But how we got to the outworking, and

1672
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: to your point, is where the fight was lost for Tacolatito.

1673
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 3: So let's be fair and honest here. It's not that

1674
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 3: he sucked early. I think his mindset and game plan

1675
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 3: was too course corrective to the scores in the rematch,

1676
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: meaning Chuck Latito got the best of a Strata in

1677
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: their twenty twenty one rematch on the on the punch

1678
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 3: numbers and also visually, most of us were like, yeah,

1679
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 3: great fight, but that's a Chucko Latito win. I think

1680
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 3: Gunza Roman Gonzalez here Chalco Latito overcompensated for that and thought, look,

1681
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come out in this trilogy and leave no

1682
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 3: doubt and make it a war. But there's a couple

1683
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 3: of problems with this. He took nearly two full round off. Now, look,

1684
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 3: that's not like rare they talked about in the broadcast,

1685
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 3: but like they did mention Floyd Mayweather, who like notoriously

1686
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 3: did that. But Floyd was a different concept and game

1687
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: plan where sometimes he needed two, three, even four full

1688
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 3: rounds like against zb Judah to figure out the speed

1689
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 3: of the angles and all that. But once he did,

1690
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 3: he left himself enough room to put that shit on

1691
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 3: lockdown and win the fight. Chuckle, Litz, you know didn't

1692
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 3: have that same luxury. You were just in two close

1693
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 3: fights against Estrada decade apart, but that second one you

1694
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,919
Speaker 3: may have loo even though you won on the punch stats,

1695
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: Like you see what the judges are looking at here,

1696
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 3: I don't have. I don't like I'm not against him

1697
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: saying I'm gonna go in there, look to push the

1698
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: action and knock him out. If that was the game plan, saying,

1699
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: let's take the judges out of it. Dude, he's an

1700
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 3: old gun sliger, d whatever the hell he wants. He's

1701
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 3: one of the one of the heroes of my boxing

1702
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 3: fandom lifetime. I love chocolates, you know, but he miscalculated here.

1703
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 3: If you're if your game plan is to come out

1704
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: and get the knockout, Why give away the first two

1705
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 3: rounds to read him when inevitably this what this rivalry

1706
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 3: has showed is that even if you're going for the knockout,

1707
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 3: it's probably going to go the distance. You are two

1708
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 3: all time greats here, probably gonna go the distance, right,

1709
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: so you give away the two rounds, and then from

1710
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: rounds two to six, Chuck Latito was uncharacteristically headhunting, and

1711
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, Sergio Morris said, at best, where

1712
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 3: he's pushing his punches, not a lot of zip on them.

1713
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 3: He was just basically putting pressure out there to try

1714
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 3: to get inside and try to make a fight. It

1715
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 3: was never reckless or necessarily irresponsible, because he's a complete fighter,

1716
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, but it did welcome the potential for more damage.

1717
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 3: And it's like he just punted away with that style

1718
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 3: those rounds by trying too hard to make it a

1719
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 3: fight without doing what he normally does better than that,

1720
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 3: you know, better than as good as anybody in this era,

1721
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 3: which is start off boxing, but build off his boxing

1722
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 3: and work through combinations to just paint this masterpiece of

1723
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 3: effective power punching that didn't kick in until he started

1724
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: coming on in round seven and eight. So look, I

1725
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 3: look back as just a real big shitting on this

1726
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 3: fight afterwards, being like, yeah, not as good as one

1727
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 3: and two. I disagree with that. I think it's better

1728
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 3: than one to be fair, it was a damn good fight,

1729
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 3: even in Chuckle Latino trying to be too much of

1730
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 3: a headhunter. There were pockets in rounds three and four

1731
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: that were as good as any pockets in this series.

1732
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: A very good action fight. This was not the Triple

1733
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 3: g Canlo three that people were trying to compare it to.

1734
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 3: But Estrada was the younger pressure guy coming in, even

1735
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,839
Speaker 3: if he didn't look great in his last home doown performance,

1736
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: and Luke he stayed to the game plan, did a

1737
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 3: strata el gayo. He put the pressure on, and for

1738
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 3: Chucko Latino it was like really good, but too good,

1739
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 3: too late? What are you doing, dude? You're a legendar

1740
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: and not supposed to fall for that. What are you doing?

1741
01:18:51,120 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

1742
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 3: I hope they can hear? Can they? Is Luke heard

1743
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 3: right now?

1744
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: Folks?

1745
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 4: Uh?

1746
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? It with the question all right.

1747
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 3: Well, Luke's asking me if you didn't hear whether I

1748
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 3: believe there should be a four fight fourth fight. So

1749
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 3: at the moment here, Estrata is up two fights, two

1750
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 3: to one in this series. But the asterisk, of course,

1751
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: is that second fight, the rematch most of us thought

1752
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 3: Chocola Tito won. I still think it's in play if

1753
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 3: they both want it now. Chocolatito basically will hear him

1754
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: and have you seen this shit? But his idea of

1755
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 3: whether that should happen is more to do with, you know,

1756
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 3: is there enough money to make it worth it for

1757
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 3: me to do it again. You could argue that Chocolatino

1758
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 3: still won this rivalry from what our eyes saw, but

1759
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: Estrata is able to say, hey, I'm two to one here.

1760
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 3: You know, it's got that Marquez Pachiel element to it

1761
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: and to a degree, but I think first for Estrata

1762
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 3: since he's still closer to his prime. You know, look,

1763
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: I'd still love a third fight between Estrata and seriously

1764
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 3: get sore rung vas Id, just like i'd like Choco

1765
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 3: Latetiro on a third fight against him. If they want

1766
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: to do something else first, that's fine, but I'm not

1767
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 3: against the fourth fight. I think the series would still

1768
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 3: call for it. I don't think there'd be commercial viewer

1769
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: fatigue necessarily, like This is never going to be a

1770
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 3: huge fight commercially, but the hardcores know what they're getting here.

1771
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 3: And I think, unlike the Vasquez Marquez great rivalry that

1772
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 3: aired all on showtime there, that fourth fight was like unnecessary.

1773
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 3: One guy was way hurt than the other, had the

1774
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 3: eye issue, and they were both pasted it and really

1775
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 3: didn't have anywhere else to go, so they went back

1776
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 3: into each other this time around, Luke, I think there'd

1777
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 3: be more significance on a fourth fight. It wouldn't be

1778
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 3: Pacqui al Marquez four, but they would have a chance

1779
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: to look at each other and say, we're both Hall

1780
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: of famers here. You know, we were both paw for

1781
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 3: pound greats, you know, Chocolato number one po for pound

1782
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: at one point. But Ristrada has been around it. We

1783
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: are going to be defined and remembered long term because

1784
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: of this rivalry. Since there's not full col and there

1785
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: still is some uncertainty, let's do our best to make

1786
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: this rivalry the best of this era. And you could say, well,

1787
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 3: what is this eras Patio Marcuz in this era? It

1788
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 3: defends where you sort of put it there, But you know,

1789
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: I think it's worth it on history alone, and yeah,

1790
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 3: we've had a I mean, I was fine with the scores. Hair.

1791
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 3: I just think this was a re because, look, I

1792
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 3: don't think Chuck Lichito looked old, which which some people

1793
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 3: were thinking in the beginning when he started off very slow.

1794
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 3: I just think it was a like Lomachenko against Teyo Fimo,

1795
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 3: you just flip that switch too late, Like Hopkins against

1796
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 3: Jermaine Taylor in the first fight, you just flipped that switch.

1797
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: To Horner was imploring him to step on the gas.

1798
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 2: I do think he looked old, you know, not the

1799
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 2: when they were Corner was furious.

1800
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this though. That was I believe

1801
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 3: after three or four in his in his trainer is

1802
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 3: Rande Capiro's father and and you know respected name. But

1803
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 3: you know, they were imploring him to stop fighting like

1804
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 3: an asshole. They were imploring him to bob and build

1805
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: off the jab and then work to the combinations rather

1806
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: than just come forward like punch punch man. I mean, so,

1807
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 3: I don't think it was so much like they were

1808
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 3: trying to wake him up to get out of like

1809
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 3: stop being old. I think it was dude, what kind

1810
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 3: of game plan is this? We didn't practice this you

1811
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean, you're too good for this. You

1812
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 3: know what he was. I think if he was as

1813
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 3: washed as Triple G was in the Canelo fight, then

1814
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 3: there'd be no reason but to go for broke and

1815
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 3: just try to be the puncher. I still think he

1816
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 3: could out box him and won this fight. He just

1817
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 3: showed us that two years ago, tougher hill of climb

1818
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: at this age, but I think it was possible.

1819
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, that is our top five here today.

1820
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate everyone who has been tuning in thus far.

1821
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 2: I got to remind everyone BC UFC Orlando was this

1822
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: past weekend and this card had hashtag Hammer of the

1823
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: Month potential all over it. BC. What do you think

1824
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 2: I think it did?

1825
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean, holy hammer. Aaron Blanchfield was the first recip

1826
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 3: recipient last week of money Lions Hammer of the Month.

1827
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 3: She's gonna accept that physical hammer trophy and has you know,

1828
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 3: you know, really fulfilled the purpose of this sort of exercise,

1829
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: which is who has been under the radar but is

1830
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 3: starting to get above it with with a big time

1831
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 3: performance UFC Orlando from I mean up and down the board,

1832
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 3: Eric Anders your boy to Phil Rowe, I mean, I

1833
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 3: mean you could people are fighting each other for this

1834
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 3: nomination in reman. Do you have a name Luke that

1835
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: you're looking at, because there was a lot to love

1836
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 3: up and down.

1837
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, let me remind every one, of course, Money Lion

1838
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 2: the only app money excuse me, you're ever gonna need.

1839
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: They have been helping us with this. They're a show

1840
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: sponsor here and we have, of course, of what everyone

1841
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: knows not to be the Money Lion Hammer of the

1842
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Month could be a boxer or an MMA fighter that's

1843
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 2: not necessarily getting the recognition they deserve. BC Each Monday,

1844
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: we planned to highland of course, the nominees on the

1845
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: show and pick a winner at the end of every

1846
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: month reward this epic Hammer Trophy, which of course we

1847
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 2: gave or we're going to give anyway to Aaron Blanchfield.

1848
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 2: She's the first official winner. And when you guys are

1849
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: watching fights over the weekend, let us know which fighters

1850
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 2: you think deserved this sweet award to hoop into your

1851
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: go to social platform and tell us who you think

1852
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 2: should be nominate and you can tag at money Lion

1853
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 2: on Twitter or at money line Ink on Instagram and

1854
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 2: then use the hashtag Hammer of the Month for information

1855
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: moneylin dot Com slash Morning Combat BC. I'm gonna go

1856
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 2: with who I said from UFC Orlando. Who started the

1857
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 2: whole card? You ask me and White Eggy, I think

1858
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: that she Yeah, dude, I think you know, it'd be

1859
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: one thing if she went in there and just battered

1860
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: the other person. She didn't have like when you think

1861
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 2: about Hammer of the Month, we'd think about complete domination,

1862
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: and there's some other people you could pick for that.

1863
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,879
Speaker 2: I welcome it, but I think her upside is super legitimate.

1864
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 2: I think her upside is huge, and I like that

1865
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: she tasted a little bit of adversity because you're gune

1866
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 2: on the octagon. If you're always just dealing, that doesn't

1867
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: really tell you the full story about someone. The full

1868
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 2: story is how they deal with adversity. She did. I

1869
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: was super impressed.

1870
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 3: That's a great vote, and we're gonna see a video

1871
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 3: of her shortly. But I gotta stay with Roman Deleede

1872
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 3: say now that I look at it, Luke, and the

1873
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 3: reason why you could say, oh, BC, that was the

1874
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 3: main card, Hey, UFC, what are we doing here? A

1875
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 3: seven fight main card that begins at ten pm Eastern

1876
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 3: on a card that's on the East coast like, this

1877
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 3: is this payback for something I said? I mean, what

1878
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 3: are we doing here? This was basically the undercard because

1879
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 3: of that. But no Roman delete. We talked about him.

1880
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 3: You'll see him shortly. It's hard for him to get

1881
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 3: that name off of my mind. But if you guys

1882
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 3: saw something different, if you're loving some of these comeback

1883
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 3: knockouts that we saw, please I mean, look, I didn't

1884
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 3: want to forget one other name. I think we're gonna

1885
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 3: talk about him soon. But Francis Marshall dropped a bomb

1886
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 3: on Rojo. You see that?

1887
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he certainly did. Twenty three years.

1888
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 3: Old, that kid three yeah, holy hammer.

1889
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: So again moneyline dot Com slash Morningcombat. Moneylon dot Com

1890
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: slash Morning Combat for your nominees, will award one at

1891
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: the end of the month. All right, b see, it

1892
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 2: is time now for the donks to ask us questions.

1893
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 2: It's time for dms from the diggity donks. As you

1894
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 2: guys know, we put up a post on Instagram. You

1895
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 2: fill it up with questions also on Twitter this time

1896
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: I saw and then folks, the producers pull questions, all

1897
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 2: right from at cease two three nine four BC. Is

1898
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: it now the time to unify the bm F and

1899
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: NMF NMF belts.

1900
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 3: So that's Stephen Thompson, the nicest MFT.

1901
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of this stupid bit.

1902
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 3: Will this belt have a presence? Will the UFC allow

1903
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 3: if they make the rematch mosaviital Thompson, Will the UFC

1904
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 3: allow him to walk with it? And will they even

1905
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 3: allow it to be mentioned on the air as like

1906
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 3: at stake or are we done with that? Luke, tell

1907
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 3: me the truth.

1908
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 2: I don't care about these belts. I really don't. I

1909
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: just don't give a shit. People are trying to keep

1910
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: the ghost of these fire things alive. Yeah, I'm I'm

1911
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: like Kylo Wren. Let the past die.

1912
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 3: You're likely the MK curse doesn't exist.

1913
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. Who's right about that? All right? From

1914
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: at V Sanchez Underscore eighty eight PC. Do you use

1915
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 2: this interesting question? Do you see any parallels between Kevin

1916
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: Holland and Kevin Lee? They both seem like they have

1917
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: all the potential in the world but lack a coherent

1918
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: game plan.

1919
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gain. I mean, if you're gonna you know,

1920
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 3: I don't see they are both named Kevin. I don't

1921
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 3: see their specifically, Well, they are close enough in the

1922
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 3: same division more or less, although they one came down

1923
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: and one came up, but you know, maybe more just

1924
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 3: from the standpoint of yet to be fully realized potential. Right.

1925
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: But like also, if anyone's going to try to make

1926
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 3: that comparison, I would counter back and say, well, you know,

1927
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 3: Kevin Lee did get into an interim championship fight, so

1928
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 3: he did. He never fully accomplished his potential in us

1929
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: calling him future champion Kevin Lee. But you know, I'm

1930
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 3: not sure Kevin Holland has achieved that much yet. Close

1931
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 3: but not that much yet. I think we all look

1932
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 3: at Kevin Holland as somebody who could be a title

1933
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 3: contender if he puts everything together. But I think Kevin

1934
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 3: Lee gave us more reasons to believe that if we're

1935
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 3: comparing him head to heads. So I don't make a

1936
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't just go no, they're both named Kevin and

1937
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 3: their UFC fighters, so this is the same.

1938
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 2: I don't think they're quite the same, right, because Kevin

1939
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: Lee was a guy and it still is a guy.

1940
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: We'll see how things go. He's training with Phil Derue,

1941
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: so he's trying to get his body right for this

1942
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: next stage of his career. Although what the fuck's happening

1943
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: with Eagle FC, I don't know. But he was a

1944
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 2: guy who had like stated very lofty ambitions and then

1945
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 2: either didn't have the ability or made like critical errors

1946
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: through the course of a fight. Kevin Holland seems like

1947
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: a guy who's just like happy, go lucky, just kind

1948
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: of fucking about a little bit. That's not the same thing.

1949
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: You know, you've never heard Kevin Holland be like, I'm

1950
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: the best fucking guy in this way class, and I'm

1951
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 2: going to prove it to you and then just kind

1952
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 2: of messed up along the way. That's not really that's

1953
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 2: not how he fights. So I get the question, but

1954
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's quite right, all right. From at

1955
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: Cole Underscore Brown eight five eight BC. Thoughts on Brandon

1956
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: Vera retiring from MMA and his overall career.

1957
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 3: You know, he was on that second card that you mentioned,

1958
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 3: not the Amazon car, but I think the debut on

1959
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 3: the Fanduelty for one, and he's it seems like he's

1960
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 3: been around forever, but he's still kind of always been

1961
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 3: that dude in a way, fun loving and but intense

1962
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,759
Speaker 3: when he needs to be, and I was really touched

1963
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 3: by the sort of promo he cut into the camera

1964
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 3: walking back to the locker room after what was his

1965
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: final fight over the weekend and just being like, this

1966
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 3: is what I love to do and I got to

1967
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 3: do this. Like it's almost like a guy who just

1968
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: seems so grateful exiting the sport what he loved to do.

1969
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 3: He probably fought longer than he ever thought he would

1970
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 3: than we ever thought he would, and fought at up

1971
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 3: you know, high level and was one champion, but just

1972
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: the joy he showed and basically it looked like a

1973
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 3: man who finished what he set out to do. He

1974
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 3: finished the course and and he was better off for doing,

1975
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 3: you know, walking in walking at the way he did

1976
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 3: and the decisions he made. And it's like we don't

1977
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 3: see people exit happy enough in the sport for obvious reasons, right,

1978
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 3: But it seemed like a guy who I was touched

1979
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 3: by his sort of in the moment encapsulation of what

1980
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 3: this represented to him and accomplishing his own dreams and

1981
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 3: all that. And you know, for a guy that never

1982
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 3: got over the hump at the highest level, but was

1983
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 3: in some memorable fights and fought the very best Luke

1984
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: I always had a lot of respect for him and

1985
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, really added to his tattoo game as the

1986
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 3: career went on.

1987
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: In the Twilight Surely, surely he did. I'd say a

1988
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: couple things about him. I he initially started his career

1989
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: out of Camp Springs Camp Springs, Maryland, and I got

1990
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: to see his camp a little bit for Tim Silvia,

1991
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: although it was after the Tim Silvia fight where things

1992
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: kind of fell apart for him, but prior to that,

1993
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 2: like when he beat Fabian Osherner. Fabian A. Scherner is

1994
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 2: like a respected coach now who's cornered numerous UFC fighters.

1995
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 2: I remember very vividly when Brandon Vera knocked him out

1996
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: and then said I'm gonna be the first two weight

1997
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 2: world champion in the UFC. He got laughed at, and

1998
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 2: of course it didn't really work. But then he beat

1999
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 2: Justin Eyler s Swerrio Silva, and then when he beat Frank,

2000
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: he beat the shit out of Frank Meer. He was

2001
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 2: seven and oh at that point, I was like, holy smoke,

2002
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: this guy's going places. And then it all kind of

2003
01:30:58,960 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 2: fell apart, and.

2004
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 3: Well, he got against Randy you know that, right, you.

2005
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, But then he fought John Jones, and

2006
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 2: then John John fucked him up, and then John ended

2007
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 2: up being the light heavyweight guy that we had thought

2008
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Brandon Veram might be because he was doing the heavyweight

2009
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: and the light heavyweight thing at the time anyway, but

2010
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: he was. He was one of the hottest commodities in

2011
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: the sport for a long time. He put Filipino. He

2012
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 2: wasn't he wasn't like training out of the Philippines, but

2013
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 2: to an extent he put a focus, i should say,

2014
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 2: on the Philippines and Filipino mma. He was able to

2015
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 2: have I think a couple of fights there, several fights

2016
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: actually in fact, through one and another thing I would say,

2017
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: BC is, you know, while things didn't quite pan out

2018
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 2: in the way that he had said after the Fabiano

2019
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Scherner win, he actually got a little extra life in

2020
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: his career by virtue of his relationship with one championship.

2021
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 2: He didn't fight a ton for them. He fought once

2022
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, not at all,

2023
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, once in twenty eighteen, once in twenty nineteen,

2024
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 2: once in twenty twenty one, and then twenty twenty two.

2025
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 2: BC he was like Gary Russell Junior of one. In

2026
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: that way, he was a champion, right right, right, But

2027
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 2: this is the point. He became a champion there, he

2028
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 2: got paid well there, They got to fight in the

2029
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: Philippines there where his family is from. Like, he got

2030
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 2: a second life in his career that I don't think

2031
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 2: a lot of people saw coming after he just got

2032
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 2: bodied by Ben Rothwell back in twenty thirteen. So good

2033
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: for him. He actually ended up having a pretty good

2034
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 2: wonder even after stumbling a little bit.

2035
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder if some of that happiness that

2036
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 3: showed was you know some I mean, look, when people

2037
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 3: seem to leave the UFC late in their career but

2038
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 3: still have a name and something left, they have the

2039
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 3: potential to make more money if they make the right

2040
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 3: choices just because of where we're at and fighter pay

2041
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 3: in the UFC today, you know, So when guys like

2042
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Cory Anderson say those statements, you get it. I wonder

2043
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 3: if he went to one and really fought out his

2044
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 3: career on much different financial terms that he was used to,

2045
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 3: and maybe that allowed him to, you know, set up

2046
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 3: his future in ways that guys exiting the sport don't

2047
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 3: always get to. So I mean everyone that's gone to

2048
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 3: one seems to say that that the money made it

2049
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 3: worth it. But you know, it's good to see Luke. Okay,

2050
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 3: we should have to drag these guys out of these cages, you.

2051
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, usually you do. I think he called it

2052
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 2: a day, and I think right on time, right on time.

2053
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: Three losses in a row. He's old. I think he's

2054
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: like forty something. Now, how old is Brandon forty five?

2055
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 2: I believe forty five? Jesus, I mean that is old.

2056
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 2: That is old. So yeah, it's a good time to

2057
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 2: get out. But he ended up having some pretty remarkable

2058
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 2: achievements as well. Okay from at Dustin Strong, just a

2059
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 2: few vows removed. If yodor Yan goes to one, how

2060
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,759
Speaker 2: big of a fight would him versus Rod Teg? B'd

2061
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: be big and BC? How would it play out on

2062
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 2: a striking only match? Rod Teng beats his ass? What

2063
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: kind of a question is that?

2064
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you'd have to do a hybrid like

2065
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 3: the DJ one, But I mean how big would it be?

2066
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:44,719
Speaker 2: Commercial?

2067
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 3: I think it'd be like for the hard course. We'd

2068
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 3: love it, right, but.

2069
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 2: I don't know it'd be huge. I don't know how

2070
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 2: big it would be in.

2071
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it'd be or whatever big. I don't

2072
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 3: think it would be big in the US commercially. I

2073
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 3: think it would be an interesting attraction. But yeah, I

2074
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 3: mean just the sexties of it, Luke, Yeah, oh yeah,

2075
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 3: let's do this thing. Let's find out. Let's not debate it.

2076
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: Let's find out, Luke, you I would love it. And

2077
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 2: then last, but not least from at emty booble, what

2078
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: was your movie of the year? Bec Sure as fuck

2079
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 2: wasn't Black Adam, which is a dumpster fire?

2080
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't. We don't. We don't tend to

2081
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 3: see these ahead of time, so I didn't. I didn't

2082
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 3: prepare for this, But I mean, it surely wasn't Thora

2083
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 3: Love and Thunder, Although I enjoyed it, Luke, and uh,

2084
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 3: I really liked Wakanda Forever. I don't know. That's not

2085
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 3: figuring into like end of your best film debates though,

2086
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 3: right like people think I'm already overrating it, just because

2087
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the experience of watching it in the

2088
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 3: theater in three D with my kids and being like,

2089
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 3: oh shit, this were really good. What what are like

2090
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: the favorites at the moment for best.

2091
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of movies this year, but I

2092
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 2: don't know if they were twenty twenty two movies because

2093
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, the Top Gun Maverick would be a

2094
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two movie.

2095
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that can't win better, that can't be nominated

2096
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 3: for Best Picture. It was like hell of a rise.

2097
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 2: But what's your favorite? Not likely to win the h

2098
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: All right?

2099
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 3: All right, Well, then, of the movies I've seen in

2100
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 3: the theater this calendar year, I'd have to go with

2101
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 3: Wakanda Forever, Luke.

2102
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 2: I would probably go with everything everywhere, all at once.

2103
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Have you seen that I did?

2104
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 3: Not?

2105
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 2: You would like that? You would like that. That's a

2106
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: really well done original take. It's a bit of a

2107
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 2: well definitely a sci fi movie in a way. But

2108
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 2: that was good. Tryathy, what else I saw this year?

2109
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 2: That's oh pray. That wasn't a great movie. That was okay,

2110
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 2: but it was good. I liked it. It was good. Yeah,

2111
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: I'd probably go with everything everywhere all at once. I

2112
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 2: think that'd be my top choice.

2113
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 3: When I see that, I'll get back to you, Luke

2114
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 3: with a review.

2115
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, you see bullshit movies. Let's just be honest,

2116
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 2: Like if it's not if it's not in English, I

2117
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 2: mean literally, you wouldn't even watch a British movie with

2118
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 2: British accents. It has to be American, so everyone speaking

2119
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 2: that American ease.

2120
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 3: My kids and I were in the theater and we

2121
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 3: saw the trailer for Creed three and dude, like, Creed

2122
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 3: two was not good and one, you know, it was

2123
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:08,879
Speaker 3: Dude three looks fricking amazing. And I got both kids

2124
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 3: fully in on seeing that and i'max when it comes out,

2125
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: and got my wife involved, which is really hard to

2126
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,839
Speaker 3: do because of the violence in the boxing that's promised

2127
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 3: in this, but she must just love Michael B. Jordan

2128
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 3: that much. But so now my kid's like, well, Dad,

2129
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 3: we should probably watch the first two Creeds with you

2130
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 3: and all the Rockies. And I'm like, you're damn right,

2131
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 3: we are. So this is gonna be a you know, uh,

2132
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, a dad opportunity here, Luke. That's gonna be incredible,

2133
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 3: just gonna be so good.

2134
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: You know, that's a very So this is a seminal

2135
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 2: dad moment for you right here. Yeah, it is.

2136
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 3: I mean, but do you think I mean, they're fourteen,

2137
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 3: do you think they can get through the slow pace

2138
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 3: of because I want to start in the Rocky one, right,

2139
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 3: but is the is the real power move to start

2140
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 3: with Rocky three because three and four such action, fast moving, exciting,

2141
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 3: amazing bangers, and then look at one and two as prequels.

2142
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 2: Almost yeah, agreed, Yes, all right, you know this has.

2143
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 3: Been on my mind for a while, but I got

2144
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 3: a lot of shit on my mind, Luke. And luckily

2145
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 3: we have a segment each week where I can share

2146
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 3: that ship with you, scar with the Globe for the

2147
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 3: good and bad, the ugly, the hus and lows, the

2148
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 3: in betweens, from combat sports and beyond. This is combat

2149
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 3: heavy though this week, because there's a lot going on.

2150
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 3: Here's the ship that's needing to be seen. Have you

2151
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 3: actually seen it? It's my feces.

2152
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 2: You should introduce this segment every time that way.

2153
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 3: Oh that's my ship, that's my ship.

2154
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 2: You had these the blue Diamond. I know we're like

2155
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: not supposed to show for these the salt and vinegar almonds.

2156
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 3: No are they laced with THHC.

2157
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Luke or I wish? I wish they're delicious?

2158
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, let's go with the UFC fight night

2159
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 3: in Orlando. We were talking about that ball kick and

2160
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 3: one FC Luke or whatever they call it. How about

2161
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 3: Natan Levy getting ball kicked by old Gennaro Valdez. Dude, yikes,

2162
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 3: took one for the home team right here, Luke, right

2163
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 3: in the old yeah and the old stick kick. What

2164
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 3: do we we get that?

2165
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 2: Live?

2166
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 3: What do we got this?

2167
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 2: Here we go, Well, we didn't get it.

2168
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 3: That's whether this whole highlight doesn't have the actual ball.

2169
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 2: Kick, doesn't have a single off to.

2170
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 3: We're off to a banging star, all right. A guy

2171
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: kicked a dick there you go. Look, let's go to

2172
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 3: Featherway Francis Marshall, who did have hashtag holy hammer potential.

2173
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 3: Here's what he did to Marcelo Rojo.

2174
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, catches him on the clinch break yep, good lord.

2175
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: And the celebrations fantastic. Dude. He's acting like like he

2176
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 3: just got a h walked up for the prices, right,

2177
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 3: I mean this is great, right, I love Joy Joy Luke.

2178
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 3: It's famous.

2179
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 2: Tina hasn't taken a beating like that since they lost

2180
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: to Saudi Arabia in the World Cup.

2181
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, joy, unspeakable joy, Luke. That's all. That's all.

2182
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 3: We're really chasing in life, right yep, Okay, a nice

2183
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 3: wholesome moment here at the Way and as Scott hot

2184
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 3: Sauce Holtzman, who would lose the clay Gueda and retire

2185
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 3: by putting his gloves in the cage, you see, it

2186
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 3: brought his son Luke for the Way. And I mean,

2187
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 3: I didn't get to have a hashtag girl moment like

2188
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 3: you and Kobe, but I am a dad of two boys. Luke,

2189
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 3: this was awesome.

2190
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, that's pretty great for both kid and dad.

2191
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 2: It's a great moment right there. That's gonna live with

2192
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: him forever.

2193
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 3: That to bring your kid to work like slam dunk

2194
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 3: moment there, Like I so, Luke. When I was at

2195
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 3: ESPN and I was hosting the Making the Rounds digital show,

2196
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 3: I used to bring my kids in when they were

2197
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 3: like six and seven and they met like Bud Crawford,

2198
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 3: Abner Mars took pictures with them, LaBamba Rodriguez.

2199
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 5: Dude.

2200
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 3: That was great. They don't remember or Kara a damn

2201
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 3: about that.

2202
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: That's the joy of being a dad. You can share

2203
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: your life with them and then they think your life

2204
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 2: is stupid.

2205
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it all.

2206
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 5: Right.

2207
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 3: Let's go to Claig Weeda Luke Scott Holtzman retired, but

2208
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 3: maybe this was part of it, Slam Dudda. Let the

2209
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 3: boys be boys, Yeah right, Dudelweda.

2210
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,719
Speaker 2: It has just been sitting dudes on their rear end.

2211
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 3: For yeah, hearn he wants to fight till he's like

2212
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 3: fifty or something. This is crazy. But let's go to

2213
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 3: Brian Barberina. Luke, he somewhat predictably got sent to hell

2214
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 3: by the legend himself. R DA. But what were your

2215
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 3: thoughts on the pre fight in the background? Okay, but

2216
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 3: what about those moves for a pretty fly for a

2217
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 3: white guy or.

2218
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 2: No, uh, that's the move I make after I walk

2219
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 2: out of the Mulka kimode after shadowing it.

2220
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 3: Good dude, you did unspeakable damage to that piece of porcelain. Wow,

2221
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:26,879
Speaker 3: all right, let's not speak about it. Luke RDA submitted

2222
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 3: Barberina on Dominant Fashion and dude, he was fired the

2223
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 3: hell up afterwards. Again, unspeakable. Joy, let's watch it. There's

2224
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 3: a lot of man love going on. I was fired

2225
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 3: up for him. Can we go full screen on this?

2226
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 3: This this show stole on? Hey, look, real question here?

2227
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 3: What kind of statement. Do you think our da madelfire

2228
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 3: like he was really happy about this fight?

2229
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm not sure exactly what the I mean. Obviously

2230
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 2: he's happy because he won, but was there anything else?

2231
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 2: I'll just say this, he was in control the whole time,

2232
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, like he didn't ever take a whole lot,

2233
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean, any damage hardly at all in this fight,

2234
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 2: and was the better guy throughout the entire thing. I

2235
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 2: think he just felt good about how clean the victory was.

2236
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 3: He called out Connor McGregor as well afterwards and basically

2237
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 3: made a speech that he's earned the right to get

2238
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 3: a fight like this and you know, fills in the

2239
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 3: gap of having this fight had fallen apart at UFC

2240
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 3: one ninety six. Do you think Wonder Boys call out

2241
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 3: of Connor or Urda's is more realistic for the UFC?

2242
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Might too, RDAs Yeah, for sure, RDA Okay, interesting.

2243
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 3: Interesting, Luke. Unfortunately, Darren, the damage Elkins had his he

2244
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 3: took it out and his life expectancy dropped to forty two.

2245
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,759
Speaker 3: But he did provide another moment here your thoughts.

2246
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean, what else is this guy gonna do? You know,

2247
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 2: like you look like this, You're built for this and

2248
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 2: not much else.

2249
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 3: I mean I get. I mean, look his heart, Like

2250
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 3: you know, the doctor was like, can you do you

2251
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 3: want to fight? He's like, yeah, I want to fucking fight.

2252
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 3: I mean, like this is what he does, Luke.

2253
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 2: That's who he is, man, and you know, not the

2254
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 2: best fighter on the world, but uh, good lord, his

2255
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 2: his spirit is alive and well.

2256
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 3: He dropped the decision to Jonathan Pierce, but like in

2257
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 3: the closing moments, it looked like he was kind of

2258
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 3: closing in on like a home run punch that might

2259
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 3: that may do something crazy dramatic, which he's known for obviously,

2260
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 3: But it's not very easy watching this guy take a

2261
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 3: take a beating on the way to the dramatic moments

2262
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 3: though that's his lot. But that's hard. But Luke, rip

2263
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 3: to a fight we got robbed of. It would have

2264
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 3: been a gift they met in the crowd for this

2265
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:43,600
Speaker 3: photo op, but Amanda Heboss versus Tracy Cortez, it was

2266
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 3: the gift that never gave Luke. Unfortunately, your thoughts do.

2267
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,520
Speaker 2: We find out what the medical issue was with Cortes?

2268
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's public, but she pulled out

2269
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,759
Speaker 3: for something and we don't know, so uh he busting

2270
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 3: her though we're not unhappy at each other. Hopefully we'll

2271
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 3: see that down the road.

2272
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I gotta see that tattoo on Cortez's

2273
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 2: left arm. It's a little it's.

2274
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 3: Her late brother he's wear or actually, let me not

2275
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 3: say that. It's a late Relti. I'm not sure the

2276
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 3: exact but isn't it like a tribute to like? And

2277
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 3: it's like somebody's wearing a UFC shirt and I think

2278
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 3: it's her brother.

2279
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2280
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so you cannot, mister, heboss that, Luke, you can't.

2281
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 2: All right, then I won't. All right.

2282
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 3: Speaking of gifts, Luke, did you see the gift wonder

2283
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 3: Boy gave this fan. It's either the gift of a

2284
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 3: hat or tepatitis, but either way, everyone looked happy about it.

2285
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Luke. He just signed it with the sweat and blood

2286
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 2: from his brow. That's gross.

2287
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 3: Will we ever do that at an MK live show

2288
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 3: or people's like, I just want if you could just

2289
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,600
Speaker 3: rub this against your bags, guys, they would be in

2290
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,480
Speaker 3: the world to me and they're like, well.

2291
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 2: You guys, t bag this with your nut oil?

2292
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 3: All right, Luke? We mentioned the holy effing hammer potential

2293
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 3: of one Roman Deliedese. Here's just a quick shot of

2294
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 3: that calf slicer into the ground and pond.

2295
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2296
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,839
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, this guy is just a scary

2297
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 3: mother effort. Look at him.

2298
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,520
Speaker 2: That is that is just next level brutality.

2299
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 3: I'm not even going to talk about his tats because

2300
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 3: I don't want him to think that I'm misinterpreting my

2301
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 3: you know my.

2302
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably a good to stay on his good

2303
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 2: side THEREBC.

2304
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 3: Maybe we shouldn't talk about anybody he's close with. We

2305
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 3: should just watch him and enjoy.

2306
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 2: Okay, exactly, that's a good idea, keep a professional.

2307
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 3: A lot of pro wrestling fans, though, questioning whether that

2308
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 3: finish looked like he was on his way to becoming

2309
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,839
Speaker 3: the first MMA fighter to successfully pull off John Cena's

2310
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 3: stf luke your.

2311
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 2: Thoughts, dude, how can girl? I just don't know how

2312
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 2: Groman can watch this. I really don't know.

2313
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 3: I've lost the taste for it after being so in

2314
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 3: it for so long, and you know, now I'm like

2315
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 3: on the outside, like is an inevitable position for me.

2316
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, right now I can't fight you on that

2317
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 3: because I'm sort of like, damn, did I really just

2318
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 3: give like five straight years of my life with that

2319
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 3: level of intensity? What did I get from that? Luke?

2320
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 3: I got a few experiences, but was that time redeemed?

2321
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: Imagine all the books you could have read?

2322
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine that your hammer of the week in terms

2323
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 3: of a nominee was Yasmine Horrigai, right twenty three years old.

2324
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 3: Luken proved a tenant.

2325
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 2: Helge or what, Eggy, I don't know, Hartighie.

2326
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,719
Speaker 3: We may have to be talking about her at one fifteen.

2327
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 3: So this is the clip of her getting legitimately rocked

2328
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 3: by Estella Nunas. But given it is a pronounced Newnas,

2329
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 3: she came to fight. I give her a lot of credit.

2330
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 2: Believe, I think she's resilience. I think it is Nuna's.

2331
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 3: Well, then you talked about Yasmine rallying. Here's the next clip.

2332
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 3: Once once she opened up an opportunity to Lambaum, she

2333
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 3: did that, Luke, and this fight was over.

2334
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 2: Some people thought the stoppage was a little bit early,

2335
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 2: and maybe it was. I'm not suggesting as much, but

2336
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 2: she was in control and it was going badly for

2337
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 2: her opponent.

2338
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you, all right, Luke, Let's keep this going,

2339
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 3: big win for her. Let's go to Fury Chasa three

2340
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 3: from London, Tyson Fury up some throwback Diddy bars. I

2341
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 3: wanted to get your reaction to.

2342
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 5: This YO check for some don't shine forever, but as

2343
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 5: long as it does, it might as well shine together.

2344
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 5: Business before pleasure. Who you know do it better?

2345
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's better than him swinging seat Sweet Caroline, than

2346
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 2: people tagging me in it on Instagram.

2347
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 3: I got a lot of people are like, play this

2348
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:29,679
Speaker 3: for Luke on tomorrow's show.

2349
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 2: It's like, you what the faypart is about? Sweet Carolina.

2350
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 2: I actually don't think anyone really likes it. I just

2351
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 2: think everyone does it like as a ritual, you know,

2352
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's possible to listen to him

2353
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 2: be like, wow, this is a great song. But I

2354
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 2: think it's like, well, ever, like you know, because we're

2355
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: all monkeys, Everyone's like, well, they're all else doing it,

2356
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 2: so I'll do it too, you know.

2357
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 3: So it's you know, you know, I had that same

2358
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 3: I had that same equation to look at when it

2359
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 3: came to fraturnit these Luke, but still was strong enough

2360
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 3: to stand on my own, you know what.

2361
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you went to community college for two years

2362
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 2: and you failed out. You don't know anything about you

2363
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 2: know nothing about college.

2364
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 3: I was on academic suspension at the time, but I

2365
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 3: don't know if it was failout. Okay, real recognized real

2366
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,600
Speaker 3: in London. When Gordon Ramsey from Kitchen Nightmare showed up

2367
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 3: to this nightmare of a fight, your thoughts.

2368
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 2: I wish you would have told him the truth like

2369
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 2: he was about like a chef who fucked up, you know,

2370
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 2: the Sooux v'd fucking chicken or whatever.

2371
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just yeah, that's uh. That would have been

2372
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 3: nice shitty takedown defense from Derek Chesaura among other follies

2373
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 3: on this night. He did show a ton of heart,

2374
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 3: but this couldn't have felt good once once Fury went

2375
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 3: for the uh double legg Yeah, there we go. Okay,

2376
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 3: that's it.

2377
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 2: I mean that's you and me after a gummy full

2378
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 2: or a tummy full of Delta eight's just try to

2379
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 2: walk down the stairs.

2380
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there, what you know, he could have

2381
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 3: run the pipe a little though, Luke, Right, No, that's

2382
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 3: just that's just okay. We mentioned that there was a

2383
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 3: weird Fury usk face off. I'm not going to play

2384
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 3: the audio, but it was Tyson yelling gibberish insults. But

2385
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 3: look at the intensity on Usik. Look, this was kind

2386
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 3: of clownish. But did it get you fired up at

2387
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 3: all of the fight?

2388
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 2: A little? Yeah, a little it did. I'm not gonna

2389
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 2: sit here and say it didn't. Yeah, look at this

2390
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 2: crazy man, you a little.

2391
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 3: Bit, dude. Fury was weird on the mic though, right,

2392
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 3: it was kind of just like loud and obnoxious, rather

2393
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 3: than like he's like he's clever, like his stick against

2394
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 3: Deantay Wilder was always pretty clever. This just feels like

2395
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 3: recycled Fury, like, oh, you're a loser, You're.

2396
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 2: You're you know, all right, you're a boom.

2397
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I want to show you a second staredown

2398
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 3: from UH boxing. Over the weekend, Arthur Betterbeeve went to

2399
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 3: promote his January twenty eighth title defense against Anthony Yard

2400
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 3: of his three light heavyweight titles. Dude, look at that

2401
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 3: he's not messing around.

2402
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 2: Dude, the fucking hammer finishing rate in boxing among champions,

2403
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 2: the only one yo.

2404
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 3: Even on that pull away, he's still kept that same energy.

2405
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 3: Luke post pull out, you know.

2406
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, not you and me.

2407
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, you gotta give him credit for that.

2408
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 3: On the undercard of the Tyson Fury About Daniel Dubas

2409
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 3: came in as a big favorite against Kevin Lorena. Dude

2410
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 3: round d Wan, he took an overhand left, got knocked down.

2411
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 3: He would go down two more times. Dude to still

2412
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 3: being wobbled from this punch, and also I think he

2413
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 3: turned his ankle. This looked like he was headed to

2414
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 3: a disastrous performance. But then Kevin Lorena stopped throwing punches

2415
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 3: and then he kind of stopped trying, and in round

2416
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 3: three all Dubois found his way back. But this was

2417
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 3: a weird fight. It was exciting as hell, but it

2418
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 3: was weird.

2419
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 2: Hard to say if it's like anything that could follow

2420
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 2: him in the future. But when he started here you go,

2421
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 2: when he started dealing, it was it was over.

2422
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:57,639
Speaker 3: So here's what's weird. That ref allowed Dubois like all

2423
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 3: day in round one through three knockdowns, which I think

2424
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 3: for WBA rule, and this was for a WBA secondary title.

2425
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 3: I think under the WBA it's got to be a

2426
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 3: three knockdown rule. So he survived those three knockdowns and

2427
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 3: was given all life to do it. Did this a

2428
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 3: quick stopage and it came after the bell in round three,

2429
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 3: so the referee would have been justified in letting it

2430
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 3: go for multiple reasons. So I mean, I'm not going

2431
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 3: to say that he wasn't hurt by the upper cut,

2432
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 3: but it was a quick stoppage.

2433
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 2: It was quick, but in the end, I still think

2434
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:27,759
Speaker 2: the right guy won, I'll put it that way.

2435
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the MMA regional scene for

2436
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:31,679
Speaker 3: the spinny shit of the week.

2437
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 2: Damn, dude, you know someone's about to take just an

2438
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 2: unweavable l when it comes from the regional scene.

2439
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 3: And somebody's doing like the like the you know, yeah,

2440
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 3: I mean, what.

2441
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 2: Is that he did the testifying in church bit where

2442
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 2: his hands go up? Wow, look at that.

2443
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 3: I feel like we've played this video before. Maybe this

2444
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 3: just happens a lot in the regionals. But hey, let's

2445
01:50:54,360 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 3: go to Phoenix Estrada Chakola Tito uh trays twah.

2446
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 2: I mean, could these motherfuckers be shaves?

2447
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 3: So look, these were guys that were on the undercard,

2448
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:11,520
Speaker 3: but look at the height difference between six foot seven.

2449
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 2: Or horse jockeys.

2450
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 3: Exactly their back. I mean, look, this whole card was

2451
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 3: the showcase of the lower weight divisions for the most part.

2452
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 3: But I mean this is like Muggy Bogues and ma

2453
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 3: New bowlbyan teammates, right, this is what are we doing.

2454
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 2: I mean, it's nice of the Lollipop Guild to send

2455
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 2: two of their members.

2456
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 3: So look, as much as the size difference is the

2457
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,719
Speaker 3: you know, accosting part of this photo. What's this trend

2458
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 3: for the double breasted suit? I see Ariel bringing it out.

2459
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 3: I gotta put this under bow ties as being like,

2460
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 3: this is a trend. I'm just not gonna follow. It's

2461
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 3: lame as shit.

2462
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:42,520
Speaker 2: You can get away with it if you're thin enough.

2463
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, nobody wants to be a fat guy in

2464
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 3: a double breasted suit. That's a good or if you

2465
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 3: have mobs avoid it. But like Eddie Hearn has normally

2466
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,839
Speaker 3: got the waistcoat, you know, that vest on the inside,

2467
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 3: like that's his go to. I would say he's fairly hip.

2468
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 3: This looks lame as shit. Yo, Ariel stopped doing that shit.

2469
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 2: Right, You've mentioned his name like ten times today?

2470
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,600
Speaker 3: How why do you know the other times were you know,

2471
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 3: like a attribution? This is this is more like a

2472
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 3: call out, like get your shit together, Okay, let's go

2473
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 3: over to uh just a little tease here of how

2474
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:21,560
Speaker 3: perfect Estrada and Chuck Latito. Where Luke, did you echo me?

2475
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 3: That was a pretty damn good action fighter. Were you

2476
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:23,879
Speaker 3: not entertained?

2477
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, once it got going, Yes.

2478
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 3: All right, man, you are salty about this card coming

2479
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,439
Speaker 3: in and out. I mean this is, you know, an

2480
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 3: arguably racist hand chop away from being the Risen Incident

2481
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 3: all over again.

2482
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And listen, you gotta love

2483
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,639
Speaker 2: old Roman Gonzales there with Cristo te im A written

2484
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 2: on his trunk.

2485
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,759
Speaker 3: Y know, that's why? What is that direct translation?

2486
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 2: So that people know, Luke christ I love you exactly.

2487
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 3: I love that man, Chocolateoo. He is a gentleman. I

2488
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 3: give him a lot of credit. I mean, he's just

2489
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 3: he's my hero. Didn't have a hero performance. Here's his

2490
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 3: question from Chris Mannix after the fight of whether he

2491
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 3: wants a fourth.

2492
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:04,720
Speaker 2: Would you like to do a fourth fight with Wan

2493
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 2: Francisco Estrada?

2494
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 3: Well, as long as they pay, well, of course, you're

2495
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 3: damn right.

2496
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 2: Luke Joo knows what's up. Yeah, you fuckers pay me,

2497
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 2: We can do whatever you want.

2498
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 3: Y y'all fight them I'll fight them for the rest

2499
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 3: of my career. Just keep keep h Yeah, there we go.

2500
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 3: Uh icon FC six from Kissimi, Florida made a lot

2501
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 3: of headlines this weekend. This is Jorge Mozvidoal's brand and

2502
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 3: here was the weigh in.

2503
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 2: That's a very Florida way in.

2504
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 3: It's like Russian mma.

2505
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 2: Wait type dude, what's the difference between Florida h M

2506
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 2: m A and Russian mma other than the languages being spoke?

2507
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,679
Speaker 2: And the answer is covid No, I'm teasing.

2508
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that outlaw spirit abides in there. So Jorge had

2509
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 3: to come out and give a cut a promo about

2510
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 3: you know you're not gonna make the money get paid.

2511
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:05,759
Speaker 3: I want you to get paid. Well, Joe the party

2512
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:10,600
Speaker 3: penefil penefield pronouncing that right. He came out there and

2513
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 3: got a victory and look he caught a promo that

2514
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 3: was so you gotta hear this.

2515
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 6: I live He and died Florida levi plord latinos.

2516
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 3: Ah, my white people in the house too.

2517
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 6: Let's fucking go America, baby, Luke.

2518
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 3: If they can change, we can change, right. Yeah, let's

2519
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 3: just shout to my wife, to my host.

2520
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 2: So he just left out all the Asians and all

2521
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 2: the black people just you know, it's like Latinos and whites.

2522
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 2: That's that's his wheelhouse.

2523
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 3: That's Joe the party. Luke, he was he was wrapped

2524
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 3: in Florida hard right there. Yeah, let's go to one

2525
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:01,240
Speaker 3: on Amazon five from the Philippines. Luke, that Caid Rutolo

2526
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 3: show broke out in his lightweight grappling title defense. Here

2527
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 3: is some clowning that he put on Mattheas Gabriel Mattheos. Yeah,

2528
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's all the same.

2529
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 2: So he goes for reverse da la Heva.

2530
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 3: And he's just I mean, what's that hand behind your

2531
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 3: back stuff? Is that like Roy Jones trying to?

2532
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because the idea is once he goes up for

2533
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 2: reverse day la Heva, he needs to peel it with

2534
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 2: his hands. He doesn't really do it, and then just

2535
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 2: kind of just stands there and lets him have it.

2536
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 2: He's basically letting him have the entry to a guard as.

2537
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 2: What's happening here.

2538
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 3: Well, look, you know, I couldn't give a shit about

2539
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 3: these grappling matches, but this highlight of him rolling into

2540
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 3: a wild heel hook attempt kind of won me over.

2541
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 3: Can we watch this.

2542
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, he's just out here. These Rutolo brothers

2543
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 2: are different.

2544
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 3: Man, Are they like and one? Are they the and

2545
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 3: one of grap Yeah?

2546
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 2: But imagine if like the guys got off the end

2547
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 2: one court and then won like an NBA championship by

2548
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 2: sweeping the competition, like.

2549
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 3: Rayfa Alston rayfah Alston won a championship as a starting point,

2550
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 3: gut right, right, didn't he? Or no he was on

2551
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 3: the heat, right, I don't I don't remember, skip to

2552
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 3: my low. Yeah all right. Well, also, Cade opened the

2553
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,720
Speaker 3: fight with this move. I look, I don't like this

2554
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 3: ship at all, but this is exciting. Watch the watch this.

2555
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a brilliant takedown.

2556
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 3: He uh oh god lord dude, that's like Big Boss

2557
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 3: Man or some ship.

2558
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 2: Right there, he reaches for the takedown on the inside

2559
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 2: with his hand palm down to get the pole and

2560
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,640
Speaker 2: if you notice, he brings him closer to him with

2561
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 2: the pole and it causes Matteo's Gabriel to like upright

2562
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: his posture, so he pulls him closer and then does

2563
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 2: the bodylock entry. That is uh, that is nice? That

2564
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: is that that that that dude is skilled. Yeah.

2565
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 3: More pictures from one over the weekend. Here's Vitali Milliken. Uh,

2566
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 3: he's your new light heavyweight champion. He's already the interim

2567
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 3: heavyweight champion. And there is the punch heard around the world.

2568
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 3: There were a lot of punches to set that up.

2569
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 3: But dude, that cross, that right cross is just from hell.

2570
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 2: He is his hand speed and power and just his

2571
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 2: got his savagery is.

2572
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 3: Here's the reverse angle. Oh god one one social team

2573
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 3: hooking us up with the reverse angle of it as well.

2574
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 3: It's just as brutal on this side.

2575
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 5: Luke.

2576
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, poor Dearrittor got backed up in Oh good lord.

2577
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:19,160
Speaker 2: I mean that probably was a shitty flight home to

2578
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 2: the Netherlands.

2579
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm a big Deritor fan too. I mean

2580
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 3: he's still the CHAMPI you know, middleway, and he's got

2581
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 3: an answer for this. But that was tough to watch, dude.

2582
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was It was one way traffic, bro. There

2583
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:30,320
Speaker 2: wasn't anything good about it for him.

2584
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 3: And here was this absolute hammer Mallequin celebrating with the

2585
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 3: boss Sha Tree Sid Youongtong. He ran right out of

2586
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 3: the cage after winning and they made sweet love together.

2587
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:43,800
Speaker 3: This was very you know, is this encouraging Luke, this

2588
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 3: is this.

2589
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 2: Whole thing went they went tip to tip BC. Yeah,

2590
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 2: it was a wonderful moment of intimacy and there's.

2591
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 3: His wife and his family was all over. I mean

2592
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 3: it was. It was a big moment, dude, So I

2593
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 3: was happy for him. Let's hear some audio here. So

2594
01:57:55,960 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 3: do you know ufc Alum Jared the Monkey God Luke? Yes, yeah,

2595
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 3: he won the championship here and made a big call out.

2596
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 3: Let's look at what happened over the weekend.

2597
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 6: Hoadcams for Chairman Crooks.

2598
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I would love to fight Dimitrius Johnson. I'm

2599
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 4: that's like a dream come true for me. So, Demitrius,

2600
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 4: I have the almost respect for you. You're the best ever.

2601
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 4: I would love to share the circle with you.

2602
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 3: Luke does that movie hat all? Jared Brooks new one

2603
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 3: champion calling out the mouse himself, Demetrius Johnson with.

2604
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 2: The weight makes sense for him?

2605
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, okay, okay. Some guy named super luc also

2606
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 3: did this really cool matrix move that you know I'd

2607
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 3: be I'd be crazy if I didn't have.

2608
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Both of these guys failed to make weight so the tournament.

2609
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah a look at that. That's just some that's BC.

2610
01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:58,520
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the Raid?

2611
01:58:59,240 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 3: No?

2612
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 2: No, oh my god, dude, and that one too. No, no, no, no, dude,

2613
01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 2: John let me this is gonna be a hot take

2614
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 2: and people are gonna hate this. Yeah the John and

2615
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 2: I love john Wick movies. I love John Wick movies.

2616
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 2: John Wick especially the first one is really good. But

2617
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 2: after that, let me just tell you that john Wick

2618
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 2: movies are a pimple on the ass of the Raid.

2619
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 2: The Raid and the Raid too are far better.

2620
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 3: Who made the Raid? Kurasawa? Look who made the damn Raid?

2621
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 2: The Raid was made like recently. It's not old at all,

2622
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:34,680
Speaker 2: but you gotta see it. It's fucking incredible.

2623
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do it for MK homework just to please you.

2624
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 3: So that's Superlek. And then we had rub group Umar Kaine.

2625
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 3: No pictures from his decision win, but here was his walkout.

2626
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 3: Are you entertained or intimidated?

2627
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:49,160
Speaker 2: Here? A little both?

2628
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little both.

2629
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean that guy is a thing you probably sexually aroused.

2630
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm guessing you know.

2631
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 3: I don't think that's necessary to make accusations like that,

2632
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 3: but he is a large and entertaining fighter to watch.

2633
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,360
Speaker 3: So shout out a group your best fight of the

2634
02:00:02,360 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 3: week though, didn't come from the one cage. It came

2635
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 3: from this planet fitness. Look, I thought this was a

2636
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 3: no judgment zone.

2637
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 2: Oh someone ringing the lunk alarm to south paws.

2638
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 3: Huh oh oh, here comes the hammer.

2639
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,600
Speaker 2: Switching stanzas old school.

2640
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2641
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 2: Look and not neither of them looks like they work out,

2642
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 2: by the way.

2643
02:00:22,240 --> 02:00:24,960
Speaker 3: Yo, nobody's do. Some people are still lifting. They're like, yeah,

2644
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:27,240
Speaker 3: this happens all the Time't isn't this an event? I

2645
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:28,600
Speaker 3: mean some no.

2646
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 2: Selfie but like, oh, ship, he got hit with a

2647
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 2: big one. Yo. The fat guy with the red on

2648
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 2: is your king, yo?

2649
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 3: Fat gym fights with guys in red shirts rule. Yeah, yo,

2650
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 3: I don't think this guy's gonna stay down though, Look

2651
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 3: at this.

2652
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 2: Oh what's up?

2653
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:43,640
Speaker 4: Now?

2654
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 2: We'll still I told you.

2655
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:48,160
Speaker 3: To rerack those weights. Yeah, oh, ships, got.

2656
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 2: You put the dumbbell back when the forty goes on

2657
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:52,120
Speaker 2: the forty asshole, Yeah.

2658
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you eat this plum.

2659
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,240
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, wearing the worst shoes you

2660
02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 2: can wear to work out.

2661
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 3: Point that out, yo, one guy lost the shoe. This

2662
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 3: this is a good workout, actually.

2663
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:04,920
Speaker 2: Right, this is more than they've done lifting weights, I

2664
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:07,240
Speaker 2: can tell you that. Look at these fucking losers.

2665
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 3: I mean, at least we didn't get asked crack and let.

2666
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 2: Me just explain something to you. If you are fighting

2667
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:13,480
Speaker 2: in a gym like this, there's no way you're winning

2668
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:15,200
Speaker 2: at life. I just want to point that out, Like

2669
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:19,600
Speaker 2: this means this is like international signal for I'm a

2670
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 2: fucking loser who looks.

2671
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 3: Oh, you don't know, he could have he could have

2672
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:24,840
Speaker 3: insulted his mom or something. You don't know. I mean, look,

2673
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 3: maybe the guy in the red you.

2674
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,120
Speaker 2: Fight, and let me say one more, look at the

2675
02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 2: fact in the back. If you fight in a gym

2676
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:34,240
Speaker 2: like this, there's no chance you're winning at life zero percent.

2677
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 3: Wow, God, good lord. If we can find out these gentlemen,

2678
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:39,520
Speaker 3: I'd love to get them on the show, if we

2679
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 3: can get their information and find out if this was

2680
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:44,880
Speaker 3: you know, I have to believe this was over a woman.

2681
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 2: Look all right, you see, I gotta get downtown, so

2682
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 2: we got to move this alone.

2683
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 3: Look, I could do this all day, Okay, I literally

2684
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 3: all right, we only have two left. You want to

2685
02:01:52,560 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 3: hear the most annoying sound in the world, like the

2686
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 3: Umar Kine video. Are you aroused? By that, Luke.

2687
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:14,000
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if this is racist for

2688
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 2: you to put this in here, so I don't think

2689
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 2: you just karate chopped the air again.

2690
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 3: Besides, come on, that's just nothing racist involved, Luke. It

2691
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,080
Speaker 3: was a very loud sounds.

2692
02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 2: That's the way you lick your teeth when you're at

2693
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:27,240
Speaker 2: Cumberland Farms.

2694
02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 3: By the way, that's not fair. That's not fair at all, Luke. Finally,

2695
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:32,960
Speaker 3: let's all get high on a new kind of ice

2696
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 3: with the snowman bond.

2697
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 2: Okay, before you even ask me, would I do this?

2698
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 2: You know what the answer is, motherfucker, And it's an

2699
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 2: unequivocal yes. You could just leave me in the snow

2700
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 2: to die after this, it's okay.

2701
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,600
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean I always wonder how people can

2702
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:54,840
Speaker 3: live in Alaska, Luke. You know, by the way, you

2703
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:58,000
Speaker 3: know Antoine, you know, six ft eight in Antwine. He's

2704
02:02:58,040 --> 02:03:01,080
Speaker 3: doing a seasonal job in Colorado working on the ski lifts.

2705
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 3: Luke's but he's you know, and and but he's still.

2706
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 2: He won't show up to that job sober one day,

2707
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,040
Speaker 2: probably day probably not.

2708
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, if if he showed you this

2709
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 3: on his property in Alaska, would would you consider moving.

2710
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 2: There to Alaska. No, I'd just rather move off Earth

2711
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:22,560
Speaker 2: than before it moves to Alaska. I mean, there's no

2712
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 2: point in like, well, why would you live in Alaska

2713
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:26,440
Speaker 2: unless you had to freedom?

2714
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 3: Freedom from what I'm gonna guess, the law or a

2715
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 3: woman that you know, an abusive one. I don't know.

2716
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 2: I mean freedom from a jury summons.

2717
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I bet you. Yeah, it's it's a

2718
02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 3: there we go. Look, I hope this. We hope we

2719
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 3: survived the bullet of another Have you seen this ship?

2720
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:47,520
Speaker 3: But there's my ship for the week. Yeah.

2721
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:49,320
Speaker 2: Not a great batch, not a great patch. If I

2722
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 2: can be honest with you, that's a solid C C plus.

2723
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, look good on paper, but you don't

2724
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 2: have enough people falling off skateboards or shit like that.

2725
02:03:57,160 --> 02:03:57,320
Speaker 2: You know.

2726
02:03:57,400 --> 02:03:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I went heavy on the weekend. I was.

2727
02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's a big weekend for highlights and moments

2728
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 3: and stuff and you know, trying to keep the fan

2729
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:05,360
Speaker 3: educated of what's going on around the world.

2730
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 2: So okay, see, all right, BC, that is it for

2731
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 2: us right now. I want to remind folks showtime dot

2732
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:13,280
Speaker 2: com get a thirty day free trophy like it. You

2733
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,360
Speaker 2: can keep it. If not, you're free to bounce. That's

2734
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:16,800
Speaker 2: one thing you can do. Second of all, what I

2735
02:04:16,840 --> 02:04:18,320
Speaker 2: would say is if you want to reach the show

2736
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:21,040
Speaker 2: Morningcombat at gmail dot com, that's gonna be the email

2737
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 2: for Wednesday's fan subs and Friday's dead wrong of course

2738
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 2: as well, we have the store Morningcombat dot store for

2739
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 2: all of the good deals BC. Any final thoughts. Before

2740
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,080
Speaker 2: I got out of here, I got to go to

2741
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 2: the Gervante Davis presser.

2742
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, have fun there. That should be awesome. Previewing the

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Speaker 3: January seventh Showtime pay per view about against Hector Luis Garcia.

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Speaker 3: There's all of our socials below. My final thoughts are

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Speaker 3: thank you for watching this episode and you know for

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Speaker 3: being for being not everybody has to be as cool

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Speaker 3: as Jaypiquett and make us metal signs. But watch our

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Speaker 3: pregame preview. By the way, Japackett makes a cameo on

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Speaker 3: the on the intro to our pregame preview with Chuck Mindenhall.

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Speaker 3: Preview in UFC two, whatever it is that thing is

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Speaker 3: up in live. You're gonna enjoy it a lot. And uh,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting accused of wiggling my toe my toes Luke

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Speaker 3: in those hot dog socks in like a OnlyFans style

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Speaker 3: a way, and I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 3: So no, you know, is somebody as somebody?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Did I miss somebody? You know? No, Tommy, we're not

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Speaker 3: that close at friends, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I mean? Alright, on that note, let's get out

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Speaker 2: of here. Thanks to everyone who watched those We have

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Speaker 2: the UFC two eighty two pregame preview with Chuck Mindenhall

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Speaker 2: and terrible pronunciations of fighters names from other countries, but

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Speaker 2: it's good analysis just the same. So for Malka, showtime,

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell and the whole crew, I'm Luke Thomas. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for watching, MK. See you next time. May all your

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Speaker 2: gains be loyal