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Speaker 2: Had you there that everybody, hope all of you guys

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Speaker 2: are having a great week. We are going to briefly

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Speaker 2: blow out the Denver Nuggets riding an early run in

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Speaker 2: going against the Detroit Pistons. I really want to dive

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some basketball. So I actually thought

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Speaker 2: We've seen these two teams when they're both really on

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Speaker 2: up a large deficit in this series, but kind of

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Speaker 2: on the back end. Jans Tartan was amazing all night.

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Speaker 2: He was the primary driver of the explosive scoring that

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Speaker 2: They can flow right up into the top of the shot.

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Speaker 2: that's important is in the playoffs, like we talked about,

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Speaker 2: the closeouts are harder, the openings are fewer and further between.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot harder to get those, you know, clean

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Speaker 2: basically fine outside of that stretch, like they came out hot,

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Speaker 2: they were defending well early. It's just this is a

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Speaker 2: when things get out of control, they can't afford to

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Speaker 2: Nuggets did defend Kawhi Leonard a little better. I just

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Speaker 2: It was out of a post double. I think of Jokic.

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Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, there was no close out it

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Speaker 2: that's the thing like Russ when he's playing within himself

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Speaker 2: not to crash the offensive. Class I almost like Russell

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Speaker 2: Westbrook in a situation where he's crashing more cutting along

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Speaker 2: but the Clippers just brought a great punch tonight, and

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Speaker 2: no shout out to you know, no shot at Cade,

433
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Speaker 2: because the reality is is this is his first time.

434
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Speaker 2: Like we talked about last night, Jalen Brunson has been

435
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Speaker 2: in what's this is ninth playoff series in the last

436
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Speaker 2: four years, so like there's obviously an experience gap there,

437
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Speaker 2: but like Cay just has to be better, and it's

438
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Speaker 2: gonna be really hard for the Pistons to overcome that

439
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 2: experience advantage that the Knicks have. So Thunder Grizzlies. For

440
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Speaker 2: obvious reasons, I was focused on the other games tonight,

441
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Speaker 2: but when I saw the report that Job was out,

442
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Speaker 2: I actually thought to myself, I'm like, the Thunder probably

443
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Speaker 2: can get this game. I think what people don't realize

444
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Speaker 2: is like that jaw factor, the pace that he plays,

445
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Speaker 2: with his ability to just draw attention in the middle

446
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 2: of the floor, that is what creates advantages for everyone

447
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 2: else to play easier brand, an easier brand of basketball.

448
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Speaker 2: And as soon as Jaw's out there, it's like, okay,

449
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Speaker 2: you have Jaron Jackson, and like he he hit a

450
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Speaker 2: tough hook in the fourth quarter over a triple team,

451
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Speaker 2: and like, there are a couple sequences where he made

452
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Speaker 2: passes out of double teams that led to decent looks.

453
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Speaker 2: But like Jared Jackson's not exactly a half court surgeon,

454
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Speaker 2: doesn't been baying. This is just a nightmare matchup for

455
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: him because he's not particularly tall, and the Thunder just

456
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Speaker 2: have all sorts of bodies to throw at him and

457
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Speaker 2: Scotty Pippen Jr. Like, it's really amazing what he's done

458
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Speaker 2: with his career, turning himself from a two way player

459
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Speaker 2: to like a legitimate backup point guard in the NBA.

460
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Speaker 2: And he had a brilliant night shot to basketball really well.

461
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Speaker 2: But like, it's just a lot to ask him to

462
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Speaker 2: create offense against the Oklahoma City Thunder defense when they're

463
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Speaker 2: really engaged. And so I thought they had a probability,

464
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Speaker 2: a legitimate probability to win that game. And I was

465
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Speaker 2: able to switch over in the fourth quarter right after

466
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Speaker 2: the Clippers put the Nuggets away and we got to

467
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Speaker 2: see some crunch time Thunder basketball. Now, Predictably, they strangled

468
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Speaker 2: Memphis offense, like I talked about earlier, not hard to

469
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Speaker 2: do with John Morant out as a team. They just

470
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Speaker 2: uped their pressure and intensity and things just got super

471
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Speaker 2: difficult for Memphis. But what I'm interested in is what

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Speaker 2: they did on the other side of the floor. This

473
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Speaker 2: was our first opportunity to look at some crunch time

474
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Speaker 2: offense from the Oklahoma City Thunder this year. First of all,

475
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Speaker 2: Alex Cruso ended up being the fifth closer, which I

476
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Speaker 2: thought was interesting they'd rather close small so that they

477
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Speaker 2: can switch. I personally think that's the right decision. I

478
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Speaker 2: think Cruso is just so good defense. He can scale

479
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Speaker 2: up defensively, like we saw in that possession where he

480
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: defended Jaron Jackson one on one and like stripped him

481
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Speaker 2: clean as he went to go to his.

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Speaker 3: Left shoulder hook or his right shoulder hook.

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Speaker 2: Like, Crusoe plays big enough and does enough defensively at

484
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Speaker 2: every single position that I think it's worthwhile to have

485
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Speaker 2: him out there as that fifth closer. In that situation,

486
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Speaker 2: we saw a steady diet of two man game in

487
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Speaker 2: the middle of the floor, whether it was Shane Ja

488
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Speaker 2: Dubb if he wanted to attack Scottie Pippen Junr or

489
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Speaker 2: Shane Alex Crusoe if you want to attack Santiel Dama.

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Speaker 2: And what I was impressed by is in the early

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter stretch, when the bench group was still out

492
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Speaker 2: there and they were starting their comeback, Shay was really

493
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Speaker 2: looking to score, and he was taking a lot of

494
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Speaker 2: quick jump shots early in the shot clock, pushing the

495
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Speaker 2: ball in transition, that sort of thing down the stretch.

496
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Speaker 2: Though he did not force the issue, he made multiple

497
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Speaker 2: reads out of doubles, a really nice drop off to

498
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Speaker 2: lou Dort outside the left block, and lou Dort made

499
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Speaker 2: like an insane shot over Zach Edy in that situation

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Speaker 2: where he just kind of like flailed up into his

501
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Speaker 2: body and banked it in. There was a pass to

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Speaker 2: Alix Cruso that led to a driving kick sequence drew

503
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Speaker 2: the double team, kicked at to Cruso. Cruso drove Chet

504
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Speaker 2: relocated up out of the right corner up to the

505
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Speaker 2: right wing, knocked down his fifth three of the game,

506
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Speaker 2: I believe, and all those threes were massive. It ended

507
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Speaker 2: up drawing the hard close out that led to that

508
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Speaker 2: big dunk that he had driving out of the right

509
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Speaker 2: slot in the fourth quarter. It was just actually like

510
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Speaker 2: really nice playing together, sharing the ball, taking the easy

511
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Speaker 2: reads that were available. The big thing like not getting rushed,

512
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Speaker 2: like getting into the middle of the floor and instead

513
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Speaker 2: of looking to shoot in traffic, looking for the reeds

514
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Speaker 2: that are there in traffic like they I've been really

515
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Speaker 2: impressed by the Thunders offense through the first three games,

516
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Speaker 2: just in the difference in their half court approach compared

517
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Speaker 2: to last year. Eighty one points for the Thunder Big

518
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Speaker 2: three tonight. They're trusting each other. There will obviously be

519
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: much tougher series for them on the horizon, but the

520
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Speaker 2: Thunder have the right approach here early in this postseason.

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Speaker 2: They're moving the ball better than they did last year.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get Jackson up here, and let's get

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Speaker 2: some mailbag questions.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it, all right, We got a lot of

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Speaker 4: questions in the chats, and I thank you guys for

526
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Speaker 4: asking your questions, and please.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the show. Let's start. Let's start here.

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Speaker 4: H If OKC makes the conference finals, what do you

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Speaker 4: think their chances would be in a series against the

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Speaker 4: Lakers or the Warriors?

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Speaker 2: So the specific thing that the Lakers can do to

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Speaker 2: the Thunder that has me more intrigued by them as

533
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Speaker 2: a legitimate upset threat. And let's let's let's contextualize this

534
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Speaker 2: entire conversation, guys. Okay, Like I would pick the Thunder

535
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Speaker 2: to win the West right now, Okay, they are my

536
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: second championship favorite behind the Celtics. I don't even know

537
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Speaker 2: how I would feel if the Lakers and the Thunder

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Speaker 2: showed up in a Western Conference final series. So much

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Speaker 2: of that depends on, like, how do the how does

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Speaker 2: the Thunder offense look against a potential Clippers matchup in

541
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Speaker 2: the second round. Lebron and Austin haven't been jump shooting

542
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Speaker 2: very well this postseason, like they do they get to

543
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Speaker 2: the point where they shoot their jump shots better. Like,

544
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Speaker 2: there's so many different factors that could go one way

545
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: or another before the series even starts. But in theory,

546
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Speaker 2: the dynamic that Houston has that causes the Lakers problems,

547
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: the dynamic that Minnesota has that causes the Lakers problems.

548
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of like six six to six eight

549
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Speaker 2: dudes that are pretty big and strong as opposed to

550
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Speaker 2: guys that are more like six three to six five,

551
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Speaker 2: And there's some strength advantages that they can go at there.

552
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: And so as a result, like Lebron and Luca just

553
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: look a lot more comfortable against Oklahoma City's defense than

554
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Speaker 2: they did against other defenses that were maybe not as

555
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Speaker 2: good reputationally as the Thunder, but that are tougher matchups

556
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Speaker 2: because they present some more physical size to be able

557
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Speaker 2: to throw at Lebron and Luca. So it's that and

558
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: then it's you know the thunderd like you saw a

559
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Speaker 2: big one late. How did Scotti p get that three

560
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Speaker 2: in the in the right corner in crunch time, Like

561
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: it comes from the way the Thunder defend, but they're

562
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Speaker 2: fod aggressive. It's a lot of low man help. It's

563
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: a lot of packing the paint, it's a lot of

564
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Speaker 2: relying on closeouts. And so when you play elite playmaking

565
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Speaker 2: talent against them, they move the ball well and they

566
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Speaker 2: can get to those openings that the Thunder leave in

567
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Speaker 2: their defense when they're trying to force turnovers by being

568
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Speaker 2: forward aggressive. And so in theory, it's the two giant

569
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Speaker 2: shot creators that are also great passers that make it work.

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Speaker 2: And then on the other end of the four, it's

571
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Speaker 2: that classic JJ Reddick. We can actually like help off

572
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Speaker 2: of some of these guys and force them to take

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Speaker 2: and make jump shots against closeouts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think that the the

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Speaker 4: lou Dort thing. He's you know, he's he's been an

576
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Speaker 4: annoyance to Luca in the past, but you only have

577
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Speaker 4: one of him. It's so different having It's why the

578
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Speaker 4: Clippers we talked along about them as championship content wal

579
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Speaker 4: they had Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Not that that

580
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: worked out, but in theory, having two and that's why

581
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Speaker 4: the Celtics are really tough to be having two six

582
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Speaker 4: six sixty seven or even bigger in the Lakers case,

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Speaker 4: creators is is just not many teams have that, and

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Speaker 4: not many teams have defenders that can throw two.

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Speaker 1: Bodies at those those two types of guys.

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Speaker 2: So really quickly, I wanted to talk about this too,

587
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Speaker 2: because we didn't have a chance the Uh, we had

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who have opinions on the lou

589
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Speaker 2: Dort foul, So let's let's discuss this for a minute. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: Jackson and I talked a little bit before the stream.

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Speaker 2: I both fouls are obviously not on purpose. I don't

592
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Speaker 2: think lou Dort turned around and was like I'm taking

593
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Speaker 2: John around and ran out tonight. Like, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's what happened. The Dort foul to me was more

595
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Speaker 2: of like a reckless play. The like you mentioned last

596
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Speaker 2: night when we were in our mail bag. You're like

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Speaker 2: a men Thompson is crashing the offensive glass every single time.

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00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: That's not exactly a super rare basketball concept, like PJ.

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Speaker 3: Tucker has made a career out of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, like there there are a lot of players

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Speaker 2: in the league that their job is to crash the

602
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Speaker 2: offensive glass every single time because that's one of their big,

603
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: biggest pieces of utility on offense. So Russell Westbrook does

604
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: for the Nuggets for instance. Right, we were just talking

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Speaker 2: about that earlier in the show. So like, to me,

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Speaker 2: like that was quite literally just a complete fluke that

607
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Speaker 2: a men Thompson was crashing the glass and he got

608
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Speaker 2: tripped up and it happened the Dort one. On the

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Speaker 2: one hand, it's like he's just trying to make a play,

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it's like, like every basketball

611
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Speaker 2: player knows what it means when you're trailing a player

612
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: and you're trying to like meet him at the basket

613
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Speaker 2: and he throws that drop off pass to the guy

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Speaker 2: right behind him, you know it's coming, Like it's almost

615
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Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of the time going to be a

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Speaker 2: high flying athlete coming right down the lane trying to dunk.

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Speaker 2: And so it's like, I I'm not it's dirty is

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Speaker 2: the wrong word, But I did. I did think the

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Speaker 2: dort play was just a little bit reckless, did you

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Speaker 2: think so, Jackson?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, sorry, it's it's Algy season.

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta cough, Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 4: It's I do think he his his front foot of

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Speaker 4: forget if his left is right, slipped a little bit

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Speaker 4: as he's turning around, and that's sort of what made

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Speaker 4: it especially awkward, because if he doesn't slip, he's jumping

628
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: and there's it's probably a very physical collision with him

629
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Speaker 4: and jaw at the rim, but he's not undercutting his legs, right.

630
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Speaker 4: So I do think that's sort of the the flukey

631
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Speaker 4: element of it. But at the same time, to your point,

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Speaker 4: it's rare in that situation when was you see, it's

633
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Speaker 4: so rare that that results in an actually successful block, right,

634
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Speaker 4: And most times you're better off getting out of the

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Speaker 4: way and not giving.

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Speaker 1: A guy an and one.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's a little dumb or reckless or just

638
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Speaker 4: unnecessary at minimum to try to make a play like

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Speaker 4: that at that point in the game.

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's the end of the in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter or anything. But what do you what do

642
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Speaker 1: you what are you trying to accomplish there?

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Speaker 4: And then additionally, I do think he slipped a little

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Speaker 4: bit which made it, which made the I packed up

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 2: To your point, like that that sort of there are

647
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Speaker 2: unwritten rules in basketball that involve the exposed athlete where

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Speaker 2: it's like, even if it's game point, you don't tackle

649
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: a guy out of the air on a fast break,

650
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: like even if it's game point, Like if you wrap

651
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: him up, you wrap him up while he's on the

652
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: ground like that. That's the thing, Like if you it's

653
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: a different type of play on a drop off on

654
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: a two on one, but like just imagine like a

655
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: two on one fast break situation where it's more like

656
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: both guys are in front and lose like a ware

657
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: that both of them are there. Like if you're guarding

658
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: the ball and the dude throws a bounce past it

659
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: the last second, Like, yeah, in theory, the competitive nature

660
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: would tell you make him earn it at the line.

661
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, you want to turn and you want to

662
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: foul him. But like if the guy's in the air,

663
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: it's you just don't. You just don't because it's not

664
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: it's just an unwritten rule in basketball you don't do

665
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: that to people that are in the air. And so

666
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: my thing was like, yeah, in theory, he doesn't see

667
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: what's happening. But like when Scotty threw that drop off pass,

668
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: like if You're running behind Scotty and you see that

669
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: drop off pass. You know, nine times out of ten

670
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: it's probably because he has an athlete trailing, and so

671
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: it was just a little bit reckless. But again, neither

672
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: of them would would be what I considered dirty. Neither

673
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: of them were. I'm certain that neither of them were

674
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: on purpose. But it just it just was a little

675
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: reckless and it was just unfortunate.

676
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Agreed.

677
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: Another question from from that game, Hey, Jason, why don't

678
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: NBA teams attack players more often when they're.

679
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: In foul trouble?

680
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: At Both Sga and Isaiah Hartenstein had five fouls in

681
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter and Memphis didn't attack either of them.

682
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Thinks loved the show.

683
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: It's easier said than done in the sense that, like

684
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: you can scram people out of mismatches, you can double

685
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: teams out of people out of mismatches. There were a

686
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: lot of Jared Jackson post ups that ended in double teams.

687
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: But honestly, like you know, we talked about it earlier,

688
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: Jared Jackson and Scotty, Pip and June, you're not half

689
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: court surgeons. They're not going to go up the floor

690
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: and be really deliberate with the way they attack, And honestly,

691
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: I thought Memphis is kind of decomposed entirely on.

692
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: An offense.

693
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: But your only matchup attacker was Jackson, like because Desmond

694
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: Bain is not a stare you down in ISO guy

695
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: like Scotty Pippen Junior is not that kind of guy either,

696
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Like Jared Jackson is the only guy that's like, Okay,

697
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: we're on an island playing ones, like I can score here,

698
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: but they weren't letting him go on one on one

699
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: unless it was Caruso. So like it's one of those

700
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: things where it's easier send than done. I don't think

701
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: Memphis was really set up.

702
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels so easy to say, and I say

703
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: the same thing, not even about specific players, but when

704
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: a team gets in the bonus with eight minutes to

705
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: go in a quarter or something, it's like, just go downhill,

706
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: just draw a foul, And it feels like it should

707
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: be easy because there is so much foul drifting in

708
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: the NBA, But it's not quite as simple. I don't

709
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 4: think as it feels like it should be.

710
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: There's a psychological element too, like when a team picks

711
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: up four fouls in the first three minutes, of a

712
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: quarter probably means they've been bitching and moaning at the

713
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: refs NonStop for that first three minutes, and so there's

714
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: a psychological element to where that that fifth foul, it's

715
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: gonna have to be a pretty substantial foul for the

716
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: ref to blow the whistle, especially in the postseason. It's

717
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: it's always it's always easier seive than done.

718
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: Like I know, it's early been a hypothetic. In a

719
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: hypothetical Clippers versus Okase's second round series, who do you

720
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 4: think would have the best player in the series between

721
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: a healthy Kawhi and Sga.

722
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: That would literally be one of the biggest swing factors

723
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: in the series. Like if the Thunder were able to

724
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: successfully load up on Shay keep Done and Derek Jones

725
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: on him all series and play him into an inefficient series,

726
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: like if Shae averaged thirty three on twenty seven shots

727
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: a game like the Shaye has a lot of game

728
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean tonight, he took like twenty six shots.

729
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: Shae has a lot of.

730
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: Games where like he accumulates volume score excuse me, but

731
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: he takes so many two's that it's not necessarily the

732
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: most efficient thing in the world. Some of the times

733
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: when he gets into these games where he goes like

734
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: ten for twenty six. If there's a universe where Shay

735
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: averages thirty three points a game in the series, but

736
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: he takes twenty six attempts to get there every night,

737
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: and Kawhi averages, you know, thirty two points a game,

738
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: but he gets there in seventeen shots every single night,

739
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: and he's just like surgical all series. By the way,

740
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: we talked about the seis miss matches, He's gonna have

741
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: a boatload of seized miss matches in that series. The

742
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: biggest fear that I would have is as you start

743
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: to kind of like dig down through the ways that

744
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: the Clippers attack, they are going to be able to

745
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 2: use Zoo on the offensive glass. They're gonna be able

746
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: to use Zoo out.

747
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: Of the post.

748
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: But okay See is going to double the shit out

749
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: of Kawhi and Zoo on all of their post ups.

750
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let those guys sit one on one.

751
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: Kawhi did it. Had a much better passing game tonight

752
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: than he did in the first two games of the series.

753
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: But like Kawhi, Leonard can struggle to handle double teams

754
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: from time to time. Zoo as well, so and then

755
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: with James Harden, you're just going up an entire stratosphere

756
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: of quality of perimeter defense talent on James Harden. This

757
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: is a series for James Harden that really lines up

758
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: well for him from a matchup perspective. Like a high

759
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: drop team with a big that sometimes gets lazy and

760
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: doesn't get up to the level like that is suicide

761
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: against James Harden because it's got all the baked in

762
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: reads that he's all naturally great at. Right and to

763
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: James's credit, he just has his three point shot going

764
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: in this postseason, which has been huge. But like, okay,

765
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: see just has so many different options they can go to.

766
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: They could switch all the James Harden pick and rolls,

767
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: double Zoo out of the post, double Kawhi out all

768
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: his post ups, and basically, I don't know if you've

769
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: seen this, Jackson, but like there have been times when

770
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: the Thunder and the Nuggets are in excuse me, the

771
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: Clippers and the Nuggets are in more of like a

772
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: dog fight where you can really see the Clippers lack

773
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: of playmaking talent, where like you'll see you'll just see

774
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: a guy a split second laid on a read or

775
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: like Zoo will make the wrong read, They'll force a

776
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: pass to a cutter that's not there when someone's opening

777
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: the corner, something along those lines. There's definitely a little

778
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: bit of a playmaking deficit sometimes with the Clippers that

779
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: I think the Thunder would take advantage of. So, like,

780
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: the Clippers are really good, and they have advantages, but

781
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: I think the Thunder are kind of built defensively to

782
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: attack their lack of playmaking.

783
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have talked on this show, especially this

784
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: past week and last night, about the concept of secondary

785
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: playmaking and the roles that Jimmy Butler and Brandon Pagenski

786
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: played for the Warriors, and the Clippers have none of

787
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: those guys. All of all of their guys after James

788
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: Trden are good at a lot of things offensively, but

789
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 4: none of them are good at making that.

790
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Zoo is okay at it in that short role.

791
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: He's gotten a lot better, but they don't have any

792
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: high level secondary playmakers. Norman Powell, Kawhi, Leonard Zoo, Derrick Jones, Kristaan, like,

793
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: these guys are all probably better off trying to score

794
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: than trying to playmake for other people.

795
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: Even in I this isn't let's let's take it in

796
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: this direction. My gut tells me that the nu Gets

797
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: have a better chance to beat the Thunder than the

798
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: Clippers do.

799
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: Do you agree?

800
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a tough one. I think so.

801
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I think so just because.

802
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: I feel like Zoo is such a superior Yokic defender

803
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: than either of the bigs of the Thunder have it.

804
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: Despite those guys being you know, very skilled defensively, he

805
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: is just such a matchup problem in a different type

806
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: of stratosphere as a defender for Yokurs than those guys are.

807
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: So because of that, I would I tend to agree.

808
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: And there's a swarming that they could do with Jokic

809
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 2: that you can't do a Zoo. Like, if you swarm Zoo,

810
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: he can Like, that's just not a good use of

811
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: defensive resources in that matchup, so he could do more

812
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: damage on the offensive glass. Uh, Like, there are definitely

813
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: advantages that the Clippers have in that series. My main

814
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: thing is I just think that I I think that

815
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: the Nuggets can consistently score against the Thunder.

816
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: That's the main thing.

817
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: They had a game they won this year where they

818
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 2: scored one hundred and twenty four points again against them,

819
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: and they had a game this year where they scored

820
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty points against them and they won.

821
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: And so yeah, so like like there is there is

822
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: a that that's the team that has a great amount

823
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: of connective playmaking, and that is on a string with

824
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: all of their cuts and their relocations, and and they

825
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: get guys into positions where they can be a threat.

826
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: And like, obviously the Thunder would have a bunch of

827
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: advantages in that series two. But yeah, I'm I I

828
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: would be I would be hard pressed to take the

829
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: Clippers instead of the Nuggets in a series against the Thunder.

830
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: I think the Nuggets present more problems for them.

831
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair.

832
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: Let's move slightly away from that the Okay, see Thunder

833
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: for a second. If Jimmy Butler misses significant time, there

834
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: was reporting today that he avoided any structural damage. He

835
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: has a deep bruise essentially, and he has been officially

836
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: listed as questionable for their their next game.

837
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: But if I.

838
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: Would imagine he plays, I think, consider it's Jimmy Butler.

839
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: But if he if he misses a game or two

840
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: or three, just you know, it's hard to set at

841
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: this point how many games he might miss.

842
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: How does that change your calculus of the series.

843
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: The fact that Golden State is going home, I think

844
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: is a huge advantage here.

845
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: I think that.

846
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: I think when Golden State really defends the Rockets can't

847
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: score on them, that's not exactly a big shock. All

848
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: you have to do is ask step Heer that that's

849
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: literally the ideology within the locker room. We have seen

850
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: what this Warriors team can do at home. They can

851
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: ride the wave of their crowd to an insane defensive effort,

852
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: and they don't need Jimmy to guard the Rockets, and

853
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: they can do enough stuff defense to transition role players

854
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: shoot better at home, the old cliche, all that stuff,

855
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: I think would put them in a situation where if

856
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: Jimmy had to miss both games, I feel like there's

857
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: a strong chance the Warriors still split at least and

858
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: maybe win them both anyway. So like not having any

859
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 2: sort of bone bone issue, bruise break and heading home,

860
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: I think, under the circumstances for what was an incredibly fluky,

861
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: incredibly scary play, this is like literally the best case

862
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: scenario for how it could have gone.

863
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think.

864
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: I don't know about getting two games without Jimmy, but

865
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 4: I think a split would definitely be on the table

866
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: if that happens, And frankly, I would bet he plays.

867
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: It's I would bet he plays.

868
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: Considering the mental of that guy, I would bet that

869
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: he plays.

870
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing earlier today, because I

871
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 2: do think the Warriors have an.

872
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: Appropriate fear of Houston.

873
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is like I think they

874
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: know Houston like hands still win this series, and you

875
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: know it is with these physical teams, like the Nuggets

876
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: won three straight games against Minnesota last year. Jokic puts

877
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: on the performance of his life in Game five and

878
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: just fries Gobert for the world to see, and then

879
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: they lose to in a row because Minnesota just physically

880
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: overwhelms them, even when it was like, like you they

881
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: were up twenty in games seven and let go of

882
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: the rope for a few minutes and all of a

883
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: sudden they were in a dog fight and they lost

884
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: the series. So like I think, I think the urgency

885
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: of Golden State, thinking that them going up three to

886
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: one is almost a must, like that's a must for them,

887
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: will probably push Jimmy towards play.

888
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: Another question from the series, Hey, Jason, can you explain

889
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: how Steph fights off defenders so well? The Rockets have

890
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: been obviously very physical with him and even though it

891
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 4: slightly bothered him and hasn't stopped him quote unquote.

892
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is this is interesting.

893
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: This has been one of the This was the difference

894
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: I was trying to draw last night when we were

895
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: talking about officiating, Like, I do believe that Steph gets

896
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: a shitty whistle when he's shooting, like the you can't

897
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: be like fouling jump shooters like that. That's the jump

898
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: shot is such a low margin for air thing, where

899
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: like if someone just barely tapped you on the forearm

900
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: with their index finger on your release, it could cause

901
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: you to miss by two feet. So like like you

902
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: like fouling jumps, fouling on jump shots, like Steph, there's

903
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: way too many of those where he's getting clipped and

904
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: he's getting pulled and he's getting grabbed and he's getting

905
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: ran over and they're not getting called. But watch any

906
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: player in the NBA who functions off ball fight for position.

907
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Just because Steph is a guard doesn't mean that he

908
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: doesn't have to deal with physicality off the ball. Have

909
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: you seen like Palabonkaro fight for post position. Have you

910
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: seen Jason Tatum fight for post position? Have you seen

911
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: Yokic fight for post position? Have you seen Khi Leonard

912
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: fight for post position? Have you seen Lebron fight for

913
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: post position? It's a fucking battle down there. Everyone's grabbing

914
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: and holding, it's swim moves. It's like it's all physical leverage.

915
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: And so Steph, by playing off the ball, has put

916
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: himself into a situation where he is susceptible to a

917
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: lot of that off ball contact. But like we talked

918
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: about last night, it's that is actually an arrangement that

919
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: works in their favor. And what I mean by that

920
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: is like Steph has gotten really really good at using

921
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: simple fakes to shed guys in back door cuts.

922
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: He'll just shove a guy to get.

923
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: Separation to run off of a screen, which, by the way,

924
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: like to me, that's legal. You know, you want to

925
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: know why it's legal, Because it's legal for them to

926
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: put their hands on Steph when he's trying to move

927
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: without the ball. It's a given a take, right, Like

928
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: that's the same reason why I've never had a problem

929
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: with the whistle that Lebron got, Lebron's trying.

930
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: To drop that shoulder.

931
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: And if you watch every Lebron left handed drive ever,

932
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: he's using that right arm like a battering ram, just

933
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: like swinging guys out of the way.

934
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: Like, so, guess what if.

935
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: Lebron's gonna do that, There's got to be contact allowed

936
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: on the other side of it. But it's all about

937
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: weaponizing that to your effect. And the Warriors just do

938
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: it through an incredible amount of attention to detailing their

939
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: screen game, the screens that flow into the screens with

940
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: their bigs, the seals that they use on their screens,

941
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: the all the off ball deception that Steph can use.

942
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: The given goes like, Steph just uses all of that

943
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: to his advantage in a way that allows him to

944
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: generate offense without having to face ball pressure. And that's

945
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: the other thing too, Like a lot of people go like, hey, guys,

946
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: why isn't Steph just running high pick and roll? And

947
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: it's like, Steph will run high pick and roll from

948
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: time to time. It's not that he doesn't do it,

949
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: but high pick and roll puts you susceptible to ball pressure,

950
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: and ball pressure is exhausting in a different way. When

951
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: you're off ball dealing with pressure, you can use your

952
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: hands so you can swim, move off of guys, you

953
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: can use both hands to push, you can do all

954
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff to fight for a position, jockey

955
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: for position. When you're dribbling, totally different ball game. You

956
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: need those hands available to dribble the basketball, and so

957
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: ball pressure can be difficult in a different way. And

958
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: I think I think Steve Kerr in the group just

959
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: wants to try to avoid you know, literally a men

960
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Thompson turning steph seven times before he gets up to

961
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: the up to the spot where he can run a

962
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: ball screen.

963
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: And frankly, I think size and physicality is it even

964
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: amplifies that to a degree, Like it's a lot easier

965
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: to separate from a six to seven athletic wing when

966
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: you were able to run around and put two hands

967
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: on him. But when you're on the ball, it's not

968
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 4: the same. Like I think it's going up against a

969
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: defender like Gary Payton, for example, as opposed to a

970
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 4: defender like Amen Thompson, it's going to both amazing defenders

971
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: off the balls. On the ball is going to feel

972
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: completely differently because you are able to grapple with one

973
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: but but not in one situation but not the other.

974
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fundamentally different. Like just this is not even

975
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: a playoff thing. Just in the regular season next year,

976
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: what every team in the NBA runs horn sets, Watch

977
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: the dudes at the elbows fighting for position. That's the

978
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: same thing that's happening to Steph when he's off ball.

979
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: It's the same thing that is off ball jockeying for position.

980
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: That's literally what basketball is.

981
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a couple more.

982
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 4: Do you still believe Milwaukee has a chance and what

983
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 4: can they do differently to flip the series?

984
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: They absolutely, they absolutely have a chance because it's very

985
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: easy to gain momentum over the course of a series

986
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: as you figure out things that work and you identify

987
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: things that don't work and you cut them out.

988
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: They could get a big.

989
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: Win at home riding that energy, get a couple guys

990
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: in rhythm that weren't in rhythm earlier, build Dame's conditioning,

991
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: build Dame's rhythm, all of that. My main concern is

992
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: we said before this, would Doc Rivers be able to

993
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: manage this whole situation?

994
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: And I like if Brook.

995
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: Lopez plays thirty minutes in game three or twenty five

996
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: minutes in Game three. That's twenty five minutes where the

997
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: Pacers just get great shots every single time down the floor.

998
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: Is he can identify stuff like the dumb low man

999
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: sequences that were giving up wide open threes in crunch

1000
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: time in game two. Like there's just a lot of

1001
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: like basic game plan and rotation stuff.

1002
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: Like AJ Green all year long.

1003
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: It reminds me of like back in the past with

1004
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: like Darvin ham with like Ruy Hachimura versus Torrian Princes,

1005
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: or like even Frank Vogel with like an Austin Reeves

1006
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: instead of a Avery Bradley, where like there's just clear

1007
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: data that shows that the Bucks are better when AJ

1008
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: Green's on the floor, Like he's good, he can knock

1009
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: down threes. And the big thing is it's this off

1010
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: ball defense. He's like always in the right spots, like

1011
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: he'll get attacked, like it'll be like I could just

1012
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: see it in Doc River's face. It's like, oh, Pascal

1013
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: Siak and win at AJ Green and hit another bank shot.

1014
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: I got to get him out of the game. And

1015
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: it's like, is Gary try locking these dudes up? Like it,

1016
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: like is Bobby Ports, like Torrian Prince, like like they

1017
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: cut his minutes in game two, but like Torrian Prince

1018
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: is another one of those guys where it's like if

1019
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: he's not hitting his threes, like you got to lean

1020
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: into AJ Green, I would leave, I would be running out.

1021
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: There a lot of groups that are like Yannis with

1022
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Kuzman portis where they're switching everything and it's like Gary,

1023
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: Trent Dame or AJ Green, just two of those three.

1024
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: And I've run a lot off of Giannis in the post.

1025
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 2: He's getting double teamed, he's passing out of it well,

1026
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: and just surround him with shooting and just try to

1027
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: lean on the fact that you're not going to give

1028
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: up as many of the easy openings from attacking Lopez,

1029
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: from transition pushes and stuff, because you have some more

1030
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: discipline defenders on the floor. Like I just I just

1031
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: am concerned about whether or not Doc's gonna do the

1032
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: right things when they.

1033
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: Get back home.

1034
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: Last one, where does Jokic rank among the best passers

1035
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: you've seen?

1036
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I've always said that.

1037
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: There is a level of playmaking talent that is just

1038
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: you're born with. It's not something that you can develop

1039
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: through repetition, Like you see guys like Tatum or like

1040
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: Kdi or brandon Ingram guys over the years that like

1041
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: developed into decent passers, but they're not like surgical half

1042
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: court playmakers, and it's just a rare breed.

1043
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: And I.

1044
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: Think that Luka and Jokic both are two of the

1045
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: very best that I've ever seen. They remind me of

1046
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: Lebron Lebron though, Like as good as Lebron was as

1047
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: a passer and he was amazing, there was just that

1048
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: next There was a lot of Lebron's passing ability that

1049
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: was predicated on like his transition athleticism and just his

1050
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: rim pressure and he was particularly great at spraying out

1051
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: to shooters. And I feel like there's a little bit

1052
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: more dynamic, like like tight window playmaking that you see

1053
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: from guys like Jokic in Luca involving like lob passing.

1054
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: Like I never thought Lebron. I want to cut him

1055
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: some slack for the Anthony Davis relationship because he would

1056
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: just end up getting that screen switched a lot of

1057
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: the times, which would shut down a lot of the

1058
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: lobs that were available. But I never thought Lebron was

1059
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: as good as like a lob passer as Jokic or Luca.

1060
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: They're both very different, but I would say I don't

1061
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: know that I've seen a player that passed the ball

1062
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: better than Jokic personally. There's a bunch of guys on

1063
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: that tier. That's maybe a question for the summer in

1064
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: terms of like actually putting like kind of nailing down

1065
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: a ranking.

1066
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's the Jokic playmaking thing, because there's

1067
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: a there's a couple elements to this question. I feel

1068
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: like the physical ability to make the widest variety of

1069
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: types of passes possible, and I think Lebron is at

1070
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: the top of that list. I mean, Jokic has more size,

1071
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 4: so maybe you give him an advantage there, but Lebron

1072
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: can make pretty much any pass he wants to make.

1073
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: And then you combine with the fl.

1074
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 4: Or understanding and envision and all those things, which is

1075
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: where I think Joki and Luca just have a slight

1076
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: edge over.

1077
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Lebron in my opinion.

1078
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just I this is we are splitting hairs

1079
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Speaker 2: between the greatest passers in the history of the game,

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Speaker 2: and like my favorite Lebron moment as a passer was

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers comeback in twenty seventeen in Game three

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Speaker 2: after they were already up two to zero and tylu

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Speaker 2: benched Kyrie and Kevin Love and Lebron let this come

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Speaker 2: back with like Shanning Fry and Richard Jefferson. And there

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Speaker 2: was a play where Emon Schumpert stripped Paul George on

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Speaker 2: a right shoulder fade around the left elbow, and it

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Speaker 2: led to a fast break, and Lebron was just going

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Speaker 2: right down the middle of the floor. And I literally

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Speaker 2: watched George Hill, who was in between Lebron and the rim.

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Speaker 2: I watched George Hill vacate the lane to run to

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Speaker 2: the corner to cover a three point shooter because he

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Speaker 2: was terrified of Lebron making the pass, and Lebron just

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Speaker 2: went down to like jackhammer smash, like Lebron his the

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Speaker 2: I feel like people have almost forgotten how good of

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Speaker 2: a passer he is, just simply because at this phase

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Speaker 2: in his career he doesn't create as much advantage as

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Speaker 2: he used to. Is that all we ought for tonight?

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Speaker 2: All right, that's all we have for tonight, guys. We

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Speaker 2: are not gonna do a film session tomorrow. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if you can tell just by watching the show.

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Speaker 2: But i am like completely exhausted and I'm in desperate

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Speaker 2: need of some sleep, So I'm gonna be sleeping in

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Speaker 2: tomorrow and getting a little bit caught up on that front.

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Speaker 2: We have a jam packed weekend ahead of us with

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Speaker 2: the Friday night slate. We have what Lakers Wolves last

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night game three, Then we have four games on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: four games on Sunday, so no film session tomorrow. I'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys live on YouTube after the final Brothers

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Speaker 2: are of the Lakers game. And just last note, if

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Speaker 2: you guys are into Star Wars or if you are

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Speaker 2: watching and or head over to my other podcast, two

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Speaker 2: Sun's podcast, we recorded a you know, thirty five minute

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Speaker 2: or so episode where we just kind of broke down

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Speaker 2: the first three episodes with my buddy Luke's make sure

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Speaker 2: you guys head over there again. A pretty shit you

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Speaker 2: guys for suporting us and supporting the show, and we

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Speaker 2: will see you tomorrow night. What's up guys. As always,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you for listening to and supporting OOPS tonight.

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Speaker 2: They would actually be really helpful for us if you

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Speaker 2: guys would take a second and leave a rating and

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Speaker 2: a review. As always, I appreciate you guys supporting us,

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Speaker 2: but if you could take a minute to do that,

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Speaker 2: I'd really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: The volume