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Speaker 1: Money. We all take val We are the authority on

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Speaker 1: all things R and ladies and gentlemen, what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I am Tank, I'm Ja Valentine and this is the

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Speaker 1: R and B Money Podcast. The authority, the whole new authority.

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Speaker 1: Now were whole new authority. It's getting different. It's different today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we will tell you. We talk about we're talking about

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Speaker 1: we know what we love. We get it. This is different.

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Speaker 1: First of all, man, thank you all so much, Thank

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Speaker 1: and so we had to they had to bleep out

423
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: piste off. We also changed and we had to change.

424
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: The song of the vigion was called piste off. What

425
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: year is this? Oh God, it's kind of be like

426
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Run was no, but we changed it.

427
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: The baby come back we had We had to change

428
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: the baby come back because they would come back, don't leave,

429
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: but was piste off. That's gotta that's gotta go. But

430
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: we just gotta can you change the old situation? But

431
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: the point is back then today today that yeah, thats

432
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: the off. Yeah, piss the funk off, Single Man Mother

433
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: streaming on all platforms exactly, on every radio stage. That

434
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: just goes, y'all fun along, we come back, go back,

435
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: you you you win, you win, you want and then

436
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: you you gave these other three guys an opportunity to

437
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: join the winners, the winner circle. When did you get

438
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: to a point where somebody put some real paperwork and

439
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: wanted to have a real conversation with you? Like? How

440
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: come long did that take between you guys doing talent

441
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: shows to you guys getting to that office and then

442
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: about five years and then the real monumental change came

443
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: when I went to a Courtis Mayfield concert and met

444
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: Dick Griffy shout. That's when it happened. A big guy

445
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: who looked like a professional football player. You guys know what.

446
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Dick looked like. Him and my father friend, they were friends, right,

447
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: And he walked up to me. My wife and I

448
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: were at the concert after it was over, and he

449
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: walked up to me. He said, listen, I can make

450
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: you guys a big, big group. He said, you remind

451
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: me a lot of Ladders Night and the Pips, But

452
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: I think he can be better. Well, I looked at him.

453
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: He looked like a football player. And we had heard

454
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: this every time we get around people of influence. They

455
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: would say, man, y'all need to let me do something

456
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: with you. But it never happened. He begged me. We

457
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: actually we met for three different occasions before I would

458
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: bring him in for the whispers because I didn't know.

459
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I really didn't know. I don't know, bullshit into or what.

460
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: But he was serious. So about a month later, now

461
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: about six months later, we met in my cousin's garage

462
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: with Dick Griffy right here in Los Angeles, and he said,

463
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I want to be your manager. And the question is answered,

464
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: when what you said? That's when we he was our manager.

465
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: We didn't really have a record company, but he managed

466
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: us to go up against labels and have discussion. So

467
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have so lord. This time he was he

468
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: was a promoter. He Don Coneius put black acts that

469
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: you now see the day that had never been heard

470
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: on television and did Griffy promoted them. He was the

471
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: biggest black promoter in the United States. He would take

472
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: these his first He's the first one that took Stevie

473
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Worst Country too. And then he also, I didn't know

474
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: that's how he came into the business. Yeah, yeah, And

475
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: then he and Don hooked up. They basically said I

476
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: have the television and you promoting, so let's They created

477
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Soul Trained Records. And now we get into the controversy.

478
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: These two men to the most brilliant guys that I've

479
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: ever met in my life. They couldn't get along. I

480
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: can see that. I can see that to this day. Man.

481
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: We we said, had these two guys been like Berry

482
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Gordy and had a little less ego to get along,

483
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: they'd have been the biggest black entrepreneurs. They'd have been

484
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: the jay z of the day. Don had television, he

485
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: had the ability to promote acts over the country, so

486
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: between the two of them, they would have had it

487
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: locked up. But they couldn't get so they started Soul

488
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Trained Records together. They started so it was Don's Dick

489
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: came up with the name and Don liked it and

490
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: it became Old Trained Records. But maybe three or four

491
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: years into it, they clashed and you guys are signed

492
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: to Soldier Record. At the signing, we're the first act

493
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: signed to Soul Train Records. We went on the road

494
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: one day, came back the next and Locks was on

495
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: bad Locks was on the record company. Because because they

496
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: fell out, they felt normal record company it was gone.

497
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: Just like all the acts that they had. Don felt

498
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: that his television career was It was kind of ingevity

499
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: with Dick. Dick was like your father. They were a

500
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: great friend. Dick was a hustler, but a good but

501
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: a brilliant hustler. Guy went to the Navy, could have

502
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: went to Annapolis, that's how smart he was. Chose to

503
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: be a hustler. Don feared that he didn't like his

504
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: television thing being associated, so they parted ways to Street.

505
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: But just think had they put it, had they kept

506
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: it together, can you imagine that? That's exactly because you

507
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: said he was too street. The potential is just scary.

508
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: It could have happened. But what we learned from that,

509
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: sometimes when it ain't meant to be, they meant to be.

510
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: How good they should have been the giants they could

511
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: have been the first black presidents is for as unconcerned.

512
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: But and then the other lesson that was learned is

513
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: how dangerous that ego is, because that's all it destroyed. It.

514
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: Ego messed up other young acts the black community. They

515
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: could have ruled the whole black community. But again ego

516
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: stepped in. Good sense stepped out. But the good part

517
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: about it is that with Di Griffy, even when they

518
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: were going through their thing, there was never any fear

519
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: for the whispers because the Griffy's we had so much

520
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: confidence and who he was. He was a hustler and

521
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: you knew if he said he was going to do something,

522
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: he was was done. He says, don't worry about cohost.

523
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm form a new company. It's gonna be call Solo Records.

524
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna be my first artist on that label. And

525
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: he put the energy and went out and found producers

526
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: like the Leon Silvers of the industry and put them

527
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: with He says, I want to I want to shake

528
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: this like like the Motown world Motown. And he put

529
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: it together and got writers after writers after writers, and

530
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, his ability, his A and our ability was incredible.

531
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Dick Griffy was in A and our genius. So he

532
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: would sit down, we would listen to songs. He says, yeah,

533
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: this song is a song would be good for you.

534
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: And so when we did our first first project with him,

535
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to take up all the songs.

536
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: He said, Now you know, you know Nigga's got enough

537
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: hits right there, So enough for y'all. I gotta spread

538
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: this wealth to other groups like you know, like, yeah,

539
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: well let me give you I tell you a lot

540
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: of people didn't realize, like Leville said, he was a

541
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: great A and R guy. To give you an example

542
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: of how nobody would never notice. Let's take the Lakeside

543
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: song Fantasist boards. You know the raptors in there, they

544
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: take a long okay, that was in the middle of

545
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: the song. Did griefly said, hey, take the that there

546
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: and open your song up with that. With that, open

547
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: it with nobody with and even then said, man, you

548
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. But he was the president.

549
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: He said, take that rap. Put it in front the

550
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: biggest record they ever had. Just like he told the deal,

551
00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: y'all gonna let baby Face sing? Okay, Still baby Face

552
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: came to us and said, man, the deal don't like

553
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: none of my songs, said everything I right. None of

554
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: the deal wanted to be prince they had when you

555
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: hear two occasions my my mind, you know, in the

556
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: mood they didn't want they didn't like none of them songs.

557
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: We were down in Atlanta at they didn't want to

558
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: hear none of them. Facing l A who at the

559
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: time was was Kenny Edmonds and l A Read. They

560
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: weren't at that time submitted those songs. We heard them.

561
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: We went crazy. He was. We told baby Fat, you

562
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: were meant to write for us. He said, I'm so

563
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: glad because my group they don't want. But now you said,

564
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: you guys remember the right. In all fairness to them,

565
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: he's saying that, and I agree with it. He send it.

566
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that they didn't want him, that they

567
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: were young imps for then they didn't want to be

568
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: whisper want group nothing personally, ain't nothing. But that's not

569
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: But we don't want. We don't want to be that.

570
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: We that young guy with that he ringing is here

571
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: and the girls are going crazy. That's who we want

572
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: to be. But what we understood, we knew the one

573
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: thing we've always knew. We knew what we could do,

574
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: and that's it. Don't be trying to be something you're not.

575
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: We know we can't wrap it. You ain't never heard

576
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: us try to rap because we know what that don't

577
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: mean if we don't like it. But we understood what

578
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: baby face he was hearing what we actually could do.

579
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: And when we heard that music, we say, man, and

580
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: we took it to Dick. As a matter of fact,

581
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: to show you, we actually tried to sign him. We

582
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: had a company called black Dad. We wanted to sign preference.

583
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: No no, you can't. No, no, you can have the song,

584
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: but I won't. Hill. Well, just like leg Side was

585
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: signed the Midnight Star, that was their act. Y'all know

586
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: how that works. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm sorry. The

587
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: deal was, yes, exactly, broke his first his first two occasions.

588
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, the house direct Yeah, absolutely, all of

589
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: these things are under one umbrella. Here's a difference. What

590
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: I always called the hustle mentality that I favor because

591
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Dick was a hustler. He gave the acts the freedom. Yeah.

592
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Barry Gordy worked in Detroit for the motor

593
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: industry and he was a more kind of structured. The

594
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: difference between Berry Gordy and Dick GRIFFI both bringing in

595
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: their own way. But I always say that Dick brought

596
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: the hustler mentality to music in relating to younger acts

597
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: because he was from the street. He would give you

598
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity to come and explain to him what you

599
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: were trying to do with the song. Leon Silvers was

600
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: in his prime, he was beginning to be who he

601
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: would become as a producer, and man, Dick will sit

602
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: there and listen to you all night Berry. Gordy on

603
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: the other hand, if you know, Motown had great stars,

604
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: but you know the story they brought what's going on,

605
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to put it out. He was

606
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: like my mother told us, that's a little too. That

607
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: was the key difference. He was going with the formula.

608
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: He was going with the formula because he came like

609
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: us from that earlier generation. That didn't make him that

610
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: daring that you guys were daring so so great about

611
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: what y'all did, because but but we all know that

612
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: Moretown is what it is and his storically speaking, it's

613
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the greatest black record company there ever was. But dig

614
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: Griffy that was that's what he was trying to imitate.

615
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Was very Gordy. But we had this stable baby face

616
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: Leon Midnight Star, Uh Dynasty Shalamar like this little company

617
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, as y'all know, was to become everywhere

618
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: somebody somebody has to do a story, yeah, because because

619
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: it's just it's just crazy because Leon Silver's they think

620
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: everything was written by Leon Silver's the earlier hits were.

621
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: But Leon was smart enough to say, I'm gonna get

622
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: a staff of writers that are hungry. And what I'll

623
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: do is I'll a and r there stuff and add

624
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: my little flavor to it, like almost like a school

625
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: for writers. And he would, I mean, just because you

626
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: wanted the Leon Silver's records. If if he was attached

627
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: to it, he was attached to it. It wasubilate and

628
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: he and he gave them the freedom too, because I mean,

629
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: he came with some stuff. I remember we did a

630
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: song and they're looking back at it was the funniest

631
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: thing in the world. He gave. He gave to Scott

632
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: He says, okay, said I want you to say, you know,

633
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: I want you to do your scat. You know you

634
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: want and I want you to say and you know

635
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: what that means, hey, Scotti, let that mean? And then

636
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: you know, after he did a scat and guys like, man,

637
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that. That's the craziest thing. What were

638
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: you talking about? Wind up being one of the biggest

639
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: songs that we had. But that was the genius of him.

640
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna find a way to you, Scotty Scatt.

641
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: Where most people ran away from it, he found a

642
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: way to embrace it. And the same thing with and

643
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: be goes on. Leon silver has had a way that

644
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: when he was in the studio with you, because at

645
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: that time he didn't have a drummer, so he would

646
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: get on his knees and just hit the base drum

647
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: with basically hit the bass drump. He had a little mallet.

648
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom. Did he do that? Then he would

649
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: get the snare and then he would do the SnO,

650
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: he was in the tem he had it in his head.

651
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't a drummer, but he had in his head.

652
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: And when he finished, when he finished one, we saw

653
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: it from the bass drum up and then the things

654
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: that he did was amazing about him. And I'm a

655
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: witness to it because what he asked me to do,

656
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: because I didn't know the finished product, I thought it

657
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: was crazy. So I'm fighting with my guys about doing

658
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: it that something I'm not doing that? What you mean?

659
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: What that? What does that mean? So you know, but

660
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: what he would end up doing because he knew the end,

661
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: what was going in and when we heard Man, when

662
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: we finished and the beagles on, we knew that like

663
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: thank god we had our first. One of the fund

664
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: things we love we love to ask is like your

665
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: your your your feelings after your first hit record, your

666
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: your movements after your first hit record? What did you

667
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: what did you buy? I'm glad you asked this, Chris,

668
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: because we get this. We get asked this a lot,

669
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: and we have you get three difference first of all,

670
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: and this is the most young people that need to

671
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: understand that. This shows you how one record can change

672
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: your life completely. We went from I went from being

673
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: able to get my clothes out of the cleanness to

674
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: not having to be able to put them in the

675
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: cleaners if you could. I don't know if that makes

676
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: any sense to you, but we went Our lives changed completely.

677
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: One day you over here and then next day you

678
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: way over here. And for you Squares, that means that

679
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: he didn't have to wear the same thing twice. I

680
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: can finally give myself out of the famers. But and

681
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: the beat goes on. Now. We did know the night

682
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: that we finished it that it was our first year record.

683
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: What we didn't know it's how our lives were gonna

684
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: change because from that point on, and answer to your question,

685
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighties seven, everything we had

686
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: was either platinum or go yeah, talk about it, Yeah.

687
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: Records I'm not even trying to crack the rip. I'm

688
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: just telling you, honest god truth. But to go from

689
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: what you said, like from from poor to that, I

690
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: can't even think of a word to describe how great

691
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: it was. You asked me, what did we bout like?

692
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: I remember, I went, I shouldn't even be seeing it,

693
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: that's the truth. I wouldn't bought Mercedes, and I took

694
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: the money out of my foot get it, yeah, put

695
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: it into you didn't believe check from you asked me

696
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: he was a walking band, would not put his money

697
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: and I would not put My mother used to say food,

698
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: do you know what exactly? Do you know what the

699
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: bank is? Yeah? Yeah, mama, But I trust the bank,

700
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: you know. And I as an Oakland hustle, I wasn't

701
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: only one up in old we all mentality. Everybody had that.

702
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: But any when I when I wasn't bought my first Mercedes,

703
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: they thought I was a drug dealer because I had

704
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: all the cash, and I guess said, sir, let's sir, uh,

705
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: we need to check check. I know how about you

706
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: would cost thirty seven thousand, three hunds something. But I

707
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: had all the money on me. So but again that's

708
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: what we went. That's what the hit record did from

709
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, Lordship Thank You. The funny part is

710
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: what happened to me was once my first purchase was

711
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: a nine eleven ninety Porsche. And it was funny because

712
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: I went to the dealership to get this portion and

713
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm standing there and nobody's helping me. They're just looking

714
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: at there, and I'm welcome at this Porsche that's on

715
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: the floor, and I'm saying, man, this is so bad. Yeah,

716
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: the anthracite gray wheels everything I wanted. And I stood

717
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: there in that place for about forty five minutes before

718
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: anybody say anything to you. Nobody said nothing to me,

719
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: So I decided I'm gonna leave. You know, I'm piste

720
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: off now. So I'm walking out about this time. There's

721
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: another sales just coming on shift. He says, uh, can

722
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: I help you? I said yeah, I said, because obviously

723
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: nobody in there who wants my money. He said, what

724
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: do you What are you here for? I said, I

725
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: like to buy that seventy nine thirty on the showing

726
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: floor there. He says, really, I said yeah. He says, well,

727
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: what can I do? I said, well, I wanna pay

728
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: cash for it. I want that car, so can you

729
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: here's five thousand dollars. I'll be back with cash your

730
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: check for it. Because I didn't do the check in

731
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: and savings. I didn't do that. Yeah, I didn't do

732
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: the leg and so I bought that car. And I

733
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: think walk you were in the store. You went in

734
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: the store and some guy told him, says, oh, yeah,

735
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: well I just sold this to this guy who sings

736
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: with the whispers and he says his name was. He said, yeah,

737
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: that's all I sold it to. So I learned my

738
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: lesson from See, he kept us in the left and

739
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: right leg. Nick would keep his in his drawls. He

740
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: slept with his money in his drawers. That's stopped after

741
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Nick went and sat down on the toilet in the

742
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: middle of the night, and god, he had his money

743
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: in the draws and pulled his pants down and flushed

744
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the toilet and everything. He too much money, didn't know

745
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: what to do with it. He flushed and he flushed

746
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: this all this money down the toilet and he went

747
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: running down to the front catch tanker. That's some way

748
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: you where, because I'm willing to go in. That was

749
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: the last time he put his money in his draws.

750
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: That's how crazy things were back in the day. We

751
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: just got too much money. He that was the second

752
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: thing he did. The first thing he did me and

753
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: him was blowing my mom my house. Yeah, that's the

754
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: first thing him for any cause and all that he

755
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: went down there later with it. My mom couldn't believe it.

756
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: But that was the greatest feeling in the world world

757
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: to go by your parents. They're here. My dad had

758
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: passed by then, but man, you tell me how to

759
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: this day, I just think about it, and I just

760
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: get happy because we we had been around. This is

761
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: crazy in nineteen eighty. We had been around ten years

762
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: before that. So we weren't that's the good thing that

763
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: happened to us. We weren't young and foolish to the point.

764
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: We had been striving for ten years. So when they

765
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: finally happened, even though they bought the cars, mostly we

766
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: did some sensible things with it. And you didn't get

767
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: you didn't know. I got it later. But the first

768
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to do is see my mama smile.

769
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's that's that's what. Here's the question.

770
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Is it pertains to business? Um, just so we can

771
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: get some more information out there. How did you feel

772
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: about looking back on it, the structure of your business

773
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: at the time, like in terms of the fairness or

774
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: the unfairness of it, or the things that were just

775
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: so glad out of control that you know, should have

776
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: been a certain way and weren't. Like what was happening

777
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: at that time. It was structured to a point where

778
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: you were only meant to go so far. As a

779
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: black artist, you know that the structure of the business

780
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: was made was was made too. You come into a

781
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: record company, they signed you to a deal and depending

782
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: on who you are, the cloth that you had before

783
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: you got there, you might get eight points as an artist.

784
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: Eight that's crazy and it eight points. Then Stevie came along,

785
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, with his success that in Motown, and he

786
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: was a writer, producer and he could talk about owning

787
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. But in our era, you were

788
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: just trying to get the exposure. You would do anything,

789
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: and it limited you just were limited. You couldn't get

790
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: but only so far, you know. Uh, as especially as

791
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: a young black stand up vocal groups, stand up vocal

792
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: groups were they were always afraid that them five guys

793
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: might mess with some white women. So they were they were.

794
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: They were things that happened with the temptations in the

795
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: Four Tops. And you know, traveling through the South had

796
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: to be careful because you represented, here's five good looking

797
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: black man standing up doing and young girls invariably gonna

798
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: come in. You know, they're gonna like so you know,

799
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: so you were just limited in terms of your ability.

800
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: And then it depends on behind intelligent you were. You know,

801
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: if you were, did you understand do you know about

802
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: publishing copyrights? No, we were young. We just wanted to

803
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: be on stage. We wanted the girls the screen. We

804
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: didn't learn about that. Dick Griffey was the guy that

805
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: educated us about publishing. You know, Nick was our only writer.

806
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: But we understand, we didn't understand publishing the way you

807
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: guys did. And even you know, writers weren't compensated with

808
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: the way they should have been to this day. But

809
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: the but here's the ratio. If a hundred million was

810
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: made back then, you actually, well, how much of that

811
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: should I get from a fair standpoint? But you were lucky.

812
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: If a hundred me was made, you might get to

813
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: three thousand maybe dollars. That's that's if a hundred million

814
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: is generated. You now today you know what records generating.

815
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: We're talking hundreds of millions. If you're not even knowing

816
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: what you didn't have a clue of what that was.

817
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: You didn't know what it was when you say no,

818
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: we didn't know what was generated. Because I mean, first

819
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: of all, back then, even now, when you see a

820
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: hunting me didn't make me faint. I don't know about you,

821
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: But back then, not only would you faint, you may

822
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: not ever fucking wake up a hundred million dollars. Nobody

823
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: ever dreamed that kind of bunny was being even made.

824
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: You know, but then you're going along with the obedience

825
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: of being a black person that comes into play, whether

826
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: you would you know, so you didn't even get to

827
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: what like, well, we never got to that. No, No,

828
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you stayed in your place,

829
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: and you know you did what you were supposed to.

830
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: You were obedient. Let's put it like you're happy with

831
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: a little happy with a little one. So Huney bellion

832
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: was genuine. You wouldn't have probably believed it anyway anyway,

833
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: because those numbers don't even make sense, don't make sense,

834
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, that's why we say the young people today.

835
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: But we don't have to because young people like you,

836
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: you understand a huney million dollars don't mean that much

837
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: to you. It's a lot of money, but you understand

838
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: what a hundred million dollars is. In our day, we

839
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: had no clue, no clue what a hundre million dollars.

840
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't even you don't think about that, you know,

841
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: y'all do. I remember having a conversation with my with

842
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: with my father and couples, guys and uncles, and they

843
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: were talking about sports and how they used to look

844
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: at athletes and they used to be like, that's they

845
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: ain't got no money like us. Absolutely, they used to

846
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: really look at like you know, because it was just

847
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: a different time. It was a different time, and you

848
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: know what guys were getting in the streets compared to

849
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: you know what guys were getting legally. Absolutely, you know

850
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: that at one point that was the way to get rich, absolutely,

851
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: to get really rich. Absolutely, it was more so in

852
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: a in a legal way. Absolutely, we didn't have all

853
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: of these ways, you know from now with music or

854
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: with acting, or with you know, with sports sponsorships and

855
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: you know all these other things that that all the

856
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: ancillary things that come along with it. Now, before it

857
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: was just like oh yeah, if you want that Cadillac,

858
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: nobody get to house. Absolutely, so I completely, I completely

859
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. I also want to know, from

860
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: the road sense, how did that work because obviously you know,

861
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: you have you have the you have the deal structures,

862
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: and you have the way that that works out. Like

863
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: you said, you were lucky if you're getting eight points

864
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: with most people don't understand the eight points breaks down

865
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: to eight cents pennies, you know what I mean because

866
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, they they've made all

867
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: of these terms, you know what I mean that where

868
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really just look into it. You're like,

869
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: you can, you can. I mean the sad thing is

870
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: you can have a conversation with some of the artists

871
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: that are out now and they don't even know what

872
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: that breaks down to, even with all of this information. Yeah,

873
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: that's the sad part. Now, Like like Tanks said earlier,

874
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: we we we listened to you guys with grace and

875
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: at a different you know, it's the scales are tipped

876
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: in a different way because you guys had no idea.

877
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: There was no way to truly find out. And to

878
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: our fault, we weren't educated enough to know that to

879
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: ask the question, if there's a hundred pennies and the

880
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: eight is gone, what happens to the other ninety two?

881
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: That's common sense. But when you want to be on

882
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: stage and you want the exposure, the business was built

883
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: on that, That's what I'm talking. The business was on

884
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: the sexy of that. They just want to say, They

885
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: just want to they just want to sing to them

886
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: girls after the show as well, worried they want a

887
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: little wine, a little woman, right, Yeah, yeah, maybe the

888
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: don't taste. Yeah, they manipulated and in such a way

889
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: because you know, the gifted are very much invested in

890
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: the gift. We're very much invested in the gift. Like

891
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: we're always trying to figure out how to be better

892
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: within our gift. At no point do we stop and say,

893
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, well, let's talk about those

894
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: eight points, because sometimes the math doesn't correlate with the gift.

895
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, we just we just I'm just here the thing.

896
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, we're gonna pick Okay,

897
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: you gotta are you gonna pick that up about exactly

898
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: exactly there for us. And even in the beginning of

899
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: my career, like the things that I could have done

900
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: with my early success, I didn't know to do. Yeah,

901
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: nobody showed me, nobody telling me. Yeah, nobody was like,

902
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: now with this, since you have a top three record

903
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: on the Hot one hundred, this is what you should

904
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: go ask what and what you should turn that as

905
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: exactly and then now you can be your own. But

906
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: you know the advantageous I went on the business side

907
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: to tell you that I was still being conditioned to

908
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: to be a player. Yeah, I was being conditioned to

909
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: stay a player. We want you to be the best

910
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: player you can be. Yeah, but you gotta stay on

911
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: the team. You look, you look at the way that

912
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: like I said, we go back to the terms, We

913
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: go back to just even the way it was worded,

914
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: the masters slave. People don't even know about that. And

915
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: then and then the owner, you know what I mean.

916
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: So if you if you're looking at music, they put

917
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: it right in front of But this thing is do

918
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: you own your masters? You know what I mean? And

919
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's a quote that I put on

920
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: on one of my pages that says, uh, you know,

921
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: we we own our own masters, you know what I mean.

922
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: The masters don't own us. That's right, and that's something

923
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: that you know, at one point we had to make

924
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: that decision for ourselves. And if you look at it

925
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, you will approach it differently. That's right.

926
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: If you look at it like, Okay, if they own

927
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: my masters, they own me absolutely. I don't think you

928
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: would thank you or give them up as fast. But

929
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's ever though. That's never really

930
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: put in front of someone to make that decision. Even

931
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: beyond that, even when we went on the road and thinking,

932
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: you get the test of this because we've all gone

933
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: through the same things. You go on the road, you

934
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: make all of this money as long as your socket

935
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: is for right soccer literally. But the other side of

936
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: it is that we weren't given the tools to sit

937
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: down at We never had a dinner table where the

938
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: whole family sits down and your dad says, you know,

939
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: you should put your money into this stock, or you

940
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: should not necessarily go out there and buy them gold

941
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: chains and cars and and that kind of stuff. Maybe

942
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: before you even buy a house, because the house is

943
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: the worst investment. Maybe you need to go out there

944
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: and buy you a bunch of apartment buildings or or

945
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: or buy you a shopping center or or something like

946
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: a parking something where you can have residual income coming in.

947
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: We didn't have those conversations, so we were actually not

948
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: knowing what to do with our money. So what we

949
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: do is we pop bottles, the gold chains, we had

950
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: the cars, We get a house, We bang a bunch

951
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:36,479
Speaker 1: of girls, and then get caught up with ye yeah,

952
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: what else did you do? But they excited excignment don't

953
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: last long when you're married and the wife find out,

954
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: oh ship on that half, they get ahead and they

955
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: get at a moment exactly. So then you want end

956
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: up saying, damn, I suked up really bad, you know.

957
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: And so if you get that second chance, which a

958
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of people don't get, to reboot yourself and start again,

959
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: that your hundred times. If you get that second chance,

960
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: you don't do things. You know what I'm saying. That's

961
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: that's what I was asking about this the road. Ah

962
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: And and when you guys get this this records are

963
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: these records because you guys have multiple records. It's not

964
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: like just the one record. We can go down the

965
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: list how is that? Is it connected or is it

966
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: separate at that point because you know now they'll even

967
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: try to get a piece of your performance. So back

968
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: then it was completely separately, not thinking about the other

969
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: side of your business because you're and that's why I asked,

970
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: you're doing sellout business in the countin and separate and

971
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: apart from royalties and publishing two different sets of income.

972
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: And as you say, when you're selling out fifteen thousand caters,

973
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: Luther at his height was going I mean, he was

974
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: with CBS, selling plenty of records, but I guarantee it

975
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: was separate and apart. In our case, it definitely was.

976
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't associate the two with each other.

977
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: You just we did that because you were just And

978
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: then you get a royal statement and that's when you

979
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: start argument and they even got to have money off

980
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: the road some lawyers, but from the road, as you say,

981
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: you start arguing. They never gave me a chance to

982
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: argue because they never sent me a royalty statement. You

983
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: never gotta wait. You gotta be getting in my first

984
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: sale and those I didn't manage eight to two thousand dead,

985
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: I saw one royalty. Are you kidding me? When we're

986
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: talking about to day, I saw one. But he's seriously,

987
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: at that time, I was just playing my game. I

988
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: understand my time, So you were being blinded by that.

989
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: But then the times where I wanted to ask those

990
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: tough questions and I did things. You know what I'm

991
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: saying that that that kind of you know, put me

992
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: in a bad position. Um, you know, I really had

993
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: to be smart about how I fought that battle because

994
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't have the money to fight it. Yeah, exactly.

995
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't know if at the time, you know

996
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, with the time that I had, I

997
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: just need to focus on music. But when you got

998
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: more money, got way more money, we got way more acts.

999
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: They keep going, keep going in that lower yourselfice. I

1000
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: got to focus on a record that's going to change

1001
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: the verbage, the negotiations. So I gotta focus on that.

1002
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: And that's what I did. Understandable. Yeah. Um, now we're

1003
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: talking about thirty five years later to think about that still,

1004
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: what are years later and this what's happening with us?

1005
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: And here we talked about forty years later. You went

1006
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: eight years and didn't see a royalty statement, So one

1007
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: that is amazing to me I've walked away from a

1008
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: lot of money as a means to an end, just

1009
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: so I can get to the other side, get to

1010
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: the next step, get to the next step. Wow, that's amazing,

1011
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like, you know, it's

1012
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: funny because when people watch it or people see it,

1013
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, they see the videos and all of these

1014
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: steps I say, they don't know, like, while some of

1015
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: these videos are out that you know, some of us

1016
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: are reaching in the ash tray, you know what I'm saying,

1017
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: digging out coins to put gas in. They don't realize that.

1018
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: And that was very much where I've been trying to

1019
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: get to the next moment. And the cost of that

1020
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: video was on the dotted line. Come come, that's what

1021
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: when you see you start arguing. But see I say

1022
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: this though in our case, we weren't educated, now that

1023
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: I understand it, we met my gardener, I manager now,

1024
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: and I thought I was a pretty educated guy. But

1025
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't because if you educated, you have a sense

1026
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: of being curious about what's happening to you. But when

1027
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: you're doing what we like, you we out there performing,

1028
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: the girls, having fun, and you don't want to look

1029
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: when they charge you for that video. You didn't even

1030
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: know he was being charged. You thought they were paying

1031
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: for it, because that's what you thought. You meet someone

1032
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: that explains to you how this is a business industry.

1033
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: It's called show, but it's business. And until you understand that,

1034
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna be victimized by We certainly were. But I'm

1035
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: amazed that as younger as young as you are. Yeah,

1036
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: do you remember. I remember I was talking to one

1037
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: of the lakes side and he said to me, and

1038
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: it may sound funny, but it blow your mind. Man,

1039
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: how do you go on to and come home and

1040
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: be broke? Yeah, yeah, that's correct, that was happening, but

1041
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: that's what was happening. I've seen it. He we on

1042
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: to have played sold out. Remember we were laughing. We

1043
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: went to the record store. They they met these girls

1044
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: and they brought in the babies and all that. They

1045
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: called off the girls and their kids signing. You know,

1046
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: they had the limos and they had about five or

1047
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: six limos. Every limo there was paid for, record company

1048
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: paid for. Gladly didn't have no problem making you look good.

1049
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: But when you get back home that you yeah, you mad,

1050
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: this is what that's what your negative here And young kids.

1051
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: Y'all can thank God for y'all's podcast because you guys

1052
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: can explain this. Two young kids that are in this industry,

1053
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, let they have to understand, be educated and

1054
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with flying coach at nothing, nothing unless you're

1055
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: six six. Yeah, you're comfortable and the rel you know,

1056
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: it's the flights get further. You want to later? Yeah, Europe.

1057
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: You don't need to fly first class from San Francisco

1058
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. You're the play Wait things all sold out,

1059
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: I go tomorrow. Let's get to the minds man, Let's

1060
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: let's get to the r. You want to talk to

1061
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: this brother because they've been doing this a long time.

1062
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, they got they got minds on them, got

1063
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: minds on the second of our show, Top five. Okay,

1064
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't normally have to keep over this. Okay, today

1065
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna keep it simple. We want to

1066
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: know whispers whispers whispers your top five R and B

1067
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: artists M M male female group, five different us gonna

1068
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: say the same thing, but we're probably gonna we're prepared.

1069
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: It was your gree on and the next you. Okay,

1070
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: come on, let's just get it. Somebody kick it off.

1071
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: It's easy to me. It's easy. I start out with

1072
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: Donny Hathway, no question, go down from him. I go

1073
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: to Marvin gay After Marvin Gaye, I go to Jesse Belvin,

1074
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: and then I go to two females. That's fall as

1075
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, and it's just me that I'm my all

1076
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: time favorite. One is white, one is black. The black

1077
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: one is as a James for me. The white one

1078
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: is carrying carpet. Yes, yeah, that' see what's going on.

1079
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: The two greatest female singers as far as I'm concerned,

1080
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: Ada and Caring. That's my father. Okay. Probably for me,

1081
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm probably got a mixture of old school and new

1082
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: school um NK and Cole one of my greatest my mom,

1083
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: hipp you to this guy, Jackie Wilson, one of the

1084
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: greatest singers performers on planet Earth. Me being a tenor dey'll.

1085
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: Finally William Hart, one of my favorite tenor singers ever

1086
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: on this planet. That that I like female singer wise

1087
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: would be Many Rippington because she was singing in the

1088
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: stratosphere before any of these ladies came along. I knew

1089
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: there was a stratosphere, and the last one would be

1090
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: Marvin gay because I like where he comes from emotionally.

1091
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: I could always count on him to say something that

1092
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: will bring tears to your eyes. And I knew every

1093
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: masterful song that he came out with was based on

1094
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: whatever emotional thing that he was going through, So I

1095
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: could we've had broken hearts, somebody tore our hearts out

1096
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: of our chest, So he would have a song. Did

1097
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: you play that and just kind of sit in your

1098
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: own little pity session and listen to that song all

1099
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: the time. So Marvin get those would be you know,

1100
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: those would be my people. Scott did not have. We

1101
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: both Danny Hathaway, But I kind of put in mind

1102
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: the people that I revere the most. There's a combination

1103
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: of how will they could sing, but how great a

1104
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: writers they were? For me, Critis Mayfield the greatest black

1105
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: writer if you had the choice of colors, which when

1106
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: you choose my brother? When I heard that, um, I

1107
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: admire him for his He wasn't a great vocalist, but

1108
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: his writing ability made me Marvin Gaye just natural. Two

1109
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: greatest female singers to me that ever lived Aretha Franklin

1110
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: number one, especially the young area, and Whitney Whitney was

1111
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: God given. She just that thing that you saw she did.

1112
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: Did you look at her eyes when she was in

1113
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: that jogging suit, she was looking how amazed that we

1114
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: were amazed that she could do that. Didn't you see that?

1115
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: Because she did it so easy? She said, what what

1116
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: they what they're tripping about? That girl was so gifted

1117
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: to me. That's it for me. She just had to

1118
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: flap foot it just yeah, yeah, yeah, now that was

1119
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: less are amazing? Okay, okay, let's get another list, one

1120
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: another list on UM Top five R and B songs.

1121
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: You get tricking that's hard? That was that is hard? Well,

1122
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: Number one, What's going on? Kick it off? Kick it off? There?

1123
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: That's that's the one song that Marvin made that he

1124
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: brought in other people. They were having a good time.

1125
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: It just evolved into the greatest as far as I'm concerned.

1126
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: That song. My wife and I we danced to the

1127
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: whole album and Mom got so many different songs on there.

1128
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: But What's going On? It's one of my favorite songs

1129
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: of all time. And then Luther who the Bad Truths,

1130
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: has a song called what is the title of it?

1131
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: His vocal gymnastics to me, I ain't heard nobody. What

1132
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: is the song I'm thinking up? The hit, the hit record,

1133
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: the ad Yeah, whoo whoo. Man, it skips me. But

1134
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: his vocal gymnastics on it the house not ho No, No,

1135
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: he's talking about his hit record. Uh that it was

1136
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: a hit. But I love I love you said the song.

1137
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: You had a song. But what I what I related

1138
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: to is how he executed it as a vocalist, Luther

1139
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: Andro's male vocalist to me, And I mean, I've been

1140
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: around a lot of years and I heard a lot

1141
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: of singers. Luthor for me, this is what I like.

1142
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: You said songs right, Well, I related to the guy. Yeah,

1143
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess that's what I'm doing. Yeah, go ahead,

1144
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start out with what I say. Songs

1145
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: R and B probably one of the biggest, but it

1146
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: was just one of my favorite. That would be me

1147
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: and Mrs Jones that that that to me was when

1148
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: he did that, it brought in a whole new and

1149
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: then another song one of my favorite songs and it's

1150
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: R and D. Then go you said, boy, why are

1151
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: you coming with all these white acts? What you won't do?

1152
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 1: Do love? To me? That was one of the greatest

1153
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: written R and B songs, And when I found he

1154
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: was white, I was stunned. I'm just being I said,

1155
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: wait a minute, how in the world one of the

1156
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: greatest songs was ever recorded for our concern? So those two,

1157
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: me and Mrs Jones, And then of course I can

1158
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: leave about Jesse Belvan. That's before you guys. Yeah, yeah,

1159
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: put us up on that, put us up on. Yeah.

1160
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: He he had a song called good Night Love and

1161
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: night my love. I'm gonna listen, go listen to start

1162
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: saying to my wife from now on and not my love. Yeah,

1163
01:14:51,120 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: don't worry with it, don't worry you're around. Good Night

1164
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: my love. Well for me, you probably never heard this song,

1165
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: but I always like her because it was a song

1166
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: that was written by this young lady. She's not here

1167
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: anymore on this planet, but she took she when she

1168
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: wrote the song, because that's how I met my wife.

1169
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: I met my wife through Tina Marie, because my wife

1170
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: should sing with Tae Marie. So she happened to be

1171
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: on the cruise. But she wrote a song for us

1172
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: called Butter Butter, and she says, this is what a

1173
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: woman wants to hear from you. Guys. And when she

1174
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: sat there on her keyboard in her house and played

1175
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: that song, I was like, oh my god, Yeah, that's

1176
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: what a woman wants to hear. So but it was

1177
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: done by us. So it's one of my favorite songs. Uh.

1178
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: You mentioned a song. I think it's called here my Dear. Yeah,

1179
01:15:54,479 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: you were my wife to me. You know when he

1180
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: with some of the things he said in that man

1181
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 1: just wanted captivating everything inside of you. That was That's

1182
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,520
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs only because of his delivery

1183
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: and I could hear the pain in his voice. That

1184
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: was one of it. And uh, any del Phonic song

1185
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: because it didn't make any difference anymore between Tom Bell

1186
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: and Linda Creed, who wrote some of the greatest songs

1187
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: in the stylistics he wrote for them. He wrote for

1188
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: del Phonics too, you know last week and uh, any

1189
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: of you know la la Lala means I love you,

1190
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff in the tone and him having

1191
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: that little baby thing kind of thing that he did do.

1192
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: I remember him gonna tell you the Sqol story. I

1193
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: remember when I wanted to be a vocalist and I

1194
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be in a group. My father wanted me

1195
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 1: to be a saxophone player. But it was nothing sexy

1196
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: to me and that saxophone thing at all. So I

1197
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: went to see the Delfonics. I went to see the Delfonics,

1198
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: and I saw this nigger come out with William Hard

1199
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 1: and sing women into a trance where literally back in

1200
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: the day, you know, he wouldn't be doing that stuff

1201
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: now today, but he was. He must have slopped women

1202
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: in front of the stage. And I was like, oh,

1203
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: that's the nigger I wanted I want to be. So

1204
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: I went home and start working on my tenor as

1205
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: hard as I could, because that, I mean, I just

1206
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: didn't find anything with playing a saxophone. But I knew

1207
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be out there and I wanted

1208
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: to sing. And all the women that you could get

1209
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: was like my mode. I didn't think like what the

1210
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: Scott didn't want to say. I didn't think about no

1211
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: damn money. I just want the different type of currency,

1212
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: different different and so you know, but any of the

1213
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: Delfonic stylistic songs, you know, all of those things, that's

1214
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: all I listened to when I first met them. So

1215
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: when they heard me sing for the first time, you know,

1216
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: because me and Scotty became friends. I went to see

1217
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: them performance, and once again this girl turned me onto him.

1218
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 1: But I went to see them at a performance, and

1219
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to meet the whispers. So I decided, Okay,

1220
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: how can I meet the whispers? Okay, if I go

1221
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: with somebody, fine them, Nigga's gonna let me. Sure enough,

1222
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: he invited me back, probably dying scoop on what I had.

1223
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, But it got me through

1224
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: the door. And then me and Scotty became friends. And

1225
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: I started picking up all picking him up all the time. Uh.

1226
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: You know when he was coming in l a from

1227
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: from the Bay Area and uh, one day I was

1228
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: taking him back to the airport and uh, delfonic song

1229
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: came on and I started singing, not even thinking because

1230
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: I used to sing in my car all the time

1231
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: with nobody in there, and now I looked around, ding,

1232
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm singing in front of this nigger. He's a professional singer.

1233
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: He said, Man, Man, I didn't know you had that

1234
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: pretty falsettle with. Why don't you tell me you're saying?

1235
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: I said, man that you know, our friendship is not

1236
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,440
Speaker 1: based on that. But I would be at every performance

1237
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 1: hoping one of them niggas getting to take take their place.

1238
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: And it happened, you know, it happened, and I was

1239
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: able to slide into there, and and it took me

1240
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: a year before I walked on stage. I sang back

1241
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: behind the background in the wings, but my mic set

1242
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: up there and sing and I could always sing. But

1243
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: Nicholas Carwell was my business obstacle to get through because

1244
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: he was a choreographer. He said, this nigga got two

1245
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: left feet. He ain't gonna make it. And Scotty begged him.

1246
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: He says, no, man, he don't use drugs. He's wearing

1247
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: Penny loafer shoes v Next sweaters. He's clean. He's clean,

1248
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: he don't use no drugs. He's the guy. So Nick,

1249
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, you know, said well, we're gonna do a

1250
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: national audition and if we don't find another and them

1251
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 1: knew that audition, then I'll work with him. And they

1252
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: didn't find. Anybody in history is made. I've been with

1253
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: him now forty eight years, you know, fifty plus years.

1254
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: So he sunk back, stays for two years, Yeah, because

1255
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't entertain and then I went through the same thing. Yeah,

1256
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: he didn't know what you If you wasn't right, If

1257
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: you wasn't right, you're not getting on that stage again.

1258
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: But I was behind the band or something to Literally,

1259
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 1: I didn't get behind the band. I was in the wing.

1260
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: Nobody even knew I was standing on the wing for

1261
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 1: people that stage, you know, stage crew. They knew I

1262
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: was standing there singing. But you know, but Nick, and

1263
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: every night after we performed either today, I would rehearse

1264
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: all day with Nick. Then at night we rehearse again.

1265
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: And I did that for almost two years. Yeah yeah,

1266
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: And two years later yeah yeah, And in Oakland, California,

1267
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: I got there thinking I'm gonna be in the wings again,

1268
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: and you said, okay, because I'm telling them all the

1269
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: time I'm ready, but I'm not sure if I'm ready.

1270
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: But I'm telling them ready, I'm ready, and said now

1271
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: that you're not quite ready yet, you know. And this

1272
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: one night they said, okay, you think you ready? I said, yeah,

1273
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Okay, it's not you're gonna get dressed, We're

1274
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna go and stage. Remember that I never shake that

1275
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: much in my but you know, muscle memory from doing

1276
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: it all the time, it kicked in and it just

1277
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: got better and better because what people don't understand negative time,

1278
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: when you're just standing there doing nothing, how do you

1279
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: hold yourself. You can either look awkward or you can

1280
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: look g right, So people don't understand that in the performance, saying,

1281
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: Nick would always say, you have to hold your hands

1282
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: a certain way. You have to look like you can't

1283
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: look like you're thinking. You know, if you mess up,

1284
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: don't even worry about it, just catch it at the

1285
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: next spot, says they most likely won't know, you know,

1286
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: But that's what Nick taught me, and when them too,

1287
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: because when they walked out and niggas was like from

1288
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: the time they said ladies and gentlemen, the whispers from

1289
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: that point walking out, it was all choreographed to the everything, everything, everything,

1290
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: every bow, every I mean, every little minu thing that

1291
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't see was choreographic. And I had to

1292
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: learn all that took me two years. Wow, you know

1293
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. Okay, here we go.

1294
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this in pieces. This is called the

1295
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: R and B Votron. We're gonna build your R and

1296
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: B singer. Okay, this is the whispers R and B Voltron.

1297
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: We're looking for who you want the vocal from, who

1298
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: you want the styling from, who you want the performance

1299
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: style from, and who you want the passion from. So,

1300
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: m wow, where you getting the vocal from? Something? With you?

1301
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking right at you, Mr Feeling, Mr. I gotta

1302
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: sing it my way. You're talking about being see the

1303
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: problem and this is this is a fascinating question scepted

1304
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 1: because in my mind, who I wanted do for feeling

1305
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: ain't necessarily the person, because there's a difference between seeing

1306
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: with feeling and performing on the stage. Telling me who

1307
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: you want, well, you know who I want for feeling.

1308
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,759
Speaker 1: There's only one Dannie hath Towait for feeling. But Danny,

1309
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: excuse my friends, I loved him to death. But Dannie

1310
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: was short guy with a big capple and his whole

1311
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: thing was that's that's comes from the voice, as you

1312
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: might be shocked to I say, in terms of performing, well, no,

1313
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: this is just the vocal. This is vocals. Donnie, have

1314
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: the way for me done? I love that. You can't

1315
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong with that down there you were

1316
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: performing somebody else? Are you gonna spread this around? Okay?

1317
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: Who you getting the style from? Then? In terms of

1318
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: how they look on stage, the drip, that drip Marvin Gaye.

1319
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, dressed like Marv. This is getting different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1320
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm coming with Yeah. Well, I don't know what you're

1321
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna ask me, but he said, who are you getting

1322
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:06,839
Speaker 1: the performer style from? How did he get down on stage? Wow,

1323
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: that's easy for me. I can't believe you ain't eveything

1324
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: performing and it's probably people. Well it's not before they

1325
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:22,520
Speaker 1: know who he is. But James Brown, well, James performing

1326
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: before me, before he could throw it off. And it's amazing. Yeah, performing,

1327
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: he said, performing right, James Brown and Bobby Brown and

1328
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Chris browning before me. But those two Brown you can't miss.

1329
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: With James Brown and Bobby Brown performing, my god, Yeah, tough.

1330
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: Young I watched him, watch him giving you a ship,

1331
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: the whole room, the whole group, everything they needed. I'm

1332
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: glad you said this kind and you know he's so young.

1333
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking and but you gotta give it to performing

1334
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: that category. That's a different hole, you know. Alright, one

1335
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: more piece, one more piece and all and all of

1336
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: you guys can chime in on this. Who you get

1337
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: the passion from the heart of your artists who give

1338
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: it all that guy. Well, yeah, well, I'm gonna tell

1339
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: you something that we work with him all the time,

1340
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: and I watched him perform, and he gives one hundred

1341
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand percent every time he sings a song.

1342
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: And that to me is um um oh Jay's um.

1343
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: He gives one of the whole three pieces exactly. That

1344
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: is very very true. Good pig he did all the time.

1345
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: Anybody want to add to that, anybody with those for passion,

1346
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: for passion, I think Eddie LeVert is it? Yeah, I

1347
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: go with Eddie. Yeah, yeah, he gives you, He gives

1348
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: you all. I went on tour with with with him.

1349
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: I was on tour. I was opening for Jason Kid,

1350
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: I was opening for Baby Face, O Jays and Pata Bellow.

1351
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Is that right? That's a favorite of Al Hayman Man. Yeah,

1352
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: I know you're young, but I need somebody to feel

1353
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, no kidden, Yeah, I said, brother Al Hayman,

1354
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: whatever you need, I'm in this is this will be

1355
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: schools to be paid education. You should have been paying

1356
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: him paid education. And I watched I watched Eddie every night,

1357
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: and Eddie, we'll come and watch my show, no kidding, come,

1358
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: And then Baby face with you know, say, hey, man,

1359
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: you should come out and sing some of the you know,

1360
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: the song I wrote, all the songs that I wrote. Second,

1361
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: you should come sing some of those with me. Not

1362
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: come out man. The information I got from that tour. Yeah,

1363
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: and then Patty come out there just oh my god. Up.

1364
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: Well you know what we do it. I got to

1365
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: give it to him to Luther. We tour it with

1366
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: him for a couple of years. Vocally, Lucy was strong,

1367
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: didn't was incredible, you know, And I'd asked him, I said,

1368
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: because don't you get horse? You know? He told me

1369
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: that you know, he didn't. He said he you know,

1370
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: he would take lemons and but not much. He said,

1371
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: what really does it for me? It's not singing? It

1372
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: just rests. I said, So that's that's because he'd go

1373
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: out on stage and his voice was so silky, you

1374
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. He was, and he hit

1375
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: the notes every night every night. But you said it rest.

1376
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: He that's what he's said. We don't rest. Yeah, we

1377
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: don't rest. And I'm I'm victim of that because I'm

1378
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: like the class clown. I got to crack the jokes,

1379
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, I got to have a feverage too. You

1380
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: know I'm running the midnight Oh it's then I'm gonna

1381
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 1: work out like and that's counter completely counterproductive. It is

1382
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: to keeping that instrument show. Yes what Luther told me.

1383
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I never used lemons and

1384
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that either, but I noticed after two or

1385
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: three days, I'm gonna be holes. You got to get

1386
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: some rest and not use them vocal cords. And he

1387
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: told me that's that's what it is, because I can't wondering.

1388
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we boy the fourth night, you

1389
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: hear everybody you could tell Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

1390
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: everybody sound Yeah, yeah, I don't know what he did,

1391
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: but he didn't have that problem. Okay, well we got

1392
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: we got one more second for your man. We can

1393
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: and let y'all get away without getting to the brought

1394
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: of the most supports segment, especially when we got the legends,

1395
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: especially y'all got y'all got the best, you got the

1396
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: best story. There were no camera phones back, no cameras

1397
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: at all. Y'all got away with so much. Yeah, so

1398
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: we got a segment of the show. It's called I

1399
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: ain't saying on that name, so the story can be funnier,

1400
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: fucked up, funny, and fucked up. The only rule is

1401
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: you can't say nobody's names outside of the members of

1402
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: the of the of the Whispers. Okay, you know what

1403
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean. So right now we're about to get the

1404
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: whispers the whispers. I ain't saying no that well, I guess,

1405
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: uh baby close, yes and no names. But I think

1406
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: probably the craziest things that have happened to me back

1407
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: in the day, many years, many moons ago, Um, you know,

1408
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: doing my thing, met a young lady out on the

1409
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: road and uh, he took it back to the hotel.

1410
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: And this was the place sometimes we go to places

1411
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: where we're there for more than one day, so you

1412
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: have one that day and then you get another one

1413
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: the next thing. So so I wind up having this

1414
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: one girl, and then you know, next night, I meant

1415
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: another one that I really liked, so I decided open

1416
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 1: to take her back to the hotel. Well, the first

1417
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: one came back to the hotel uninvited, So she's sitting

1418
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: in the lobby waiting on me to roll in. So

1419
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: I rolled in with the other one on my arm.

1420
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: She said in there, She's like, uh, what's going on?

1421
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, uh, I'm with her, you know.

1422
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 1: She says, oh, no, no, no, no, no, you're not

1423
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: with her tonight, you're with me. And I said no,

1424
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: I'm with her. So you're gonna have to go home.

1425
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: Says no, no, no, anything like that. You with me.

1426
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: So get on the elevator. She gets on the elevator, Rember,

1427
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: I go up to my floor. I get off the elevator.

1428
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: She gets off the elevator too. I got one on

1429
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: the left, one on the right, so I take the

1430
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: other one. I said, okay, you're going in the room.

1431
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: I'll be here there. I gotta handle this. So the

1432
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: other girl said no, I'm we're all going in this

1433
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: room together. And I'm like, no, you can't come into them.

1434
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: And she said no, we were all gonna be in

1435
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: this room. We're all gonna party tonight together. I'm like, no, baby,

1436
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: you can't be in here. You know I'm with her.

1437
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: You go home, Gonna call you tomorrow. It's just no,

1438
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: it ain't going that way. So I tried to go

1439
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: in my room. She was pushing to go in the

1440
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: room with me. So I'm like, okay, wait minute, you

1441
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: know you need to stop all this. I'm trying to

1442
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: be cool. So I try to go in the room again.

1443
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: By this time people here. It's out in the hallway

1444
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: and Leon Blue, who was our musical he was actually

1445
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: our stage manager at this time. His buddy of mine

1446
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: were still close his leaves. We just went to his wife's,

1447
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: his new his a wedding. But anyway, he peeps out

1448
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: the door and he sees me out there, and he's

1449
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: eyeballing the argument. So after about the third time he

1450
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 1: trying to get in my room, I'm piste off. I'm

1451
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: mad now because she's interrupting my flow. So I put

1452
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: my hand on her chest and push her back. So

1453
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: she stumbles back and she breaks her heel on her shoe.

1454
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: So I decided, don't care. I'm going my room. I

1455
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: told you i'll see you tomorrow. Take up, you know.

1456
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: And she says, huh no, they ain't going down like that.

1457
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: And I heard clicker, and I turned around and she

1458
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: falls out a little thirty eight. I'll remember the day

1459
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I died. It was all polished girl. Hand Well then

1460
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Leon Blue and I don't think you're gonna come down

1461
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and help me? His dog go clicker. Now I'm standing hallway,

1462
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, so now I gotta go different. Baby,

1463
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 1: You don't you don't want to show I don't want

1464
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that. But I didn't know.

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01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: Ye she did. But we're standing in the hallway fifteen

1466
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: minutes arguing. I guess he went back to his room

1467
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: and called for college. The elevator opened. I've never been

1468
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: so relieved in my life. Too, big ass white policemen

1469
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: came and walked down the hall and so me pitching

1470
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 1: out and said she got guns. Part about it. He

1471
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: didn't hesitate or say anything about the gun. He says, Maam,

1472
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: you gotta go. I think he's gonna go, and you know,

1473
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: take her down, says you gotta go, and she's I'm

1474
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: not going. Anybody says, ma'am, You're either gonna go or

1475
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna take you to jail. So he doesn't want

1476
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 1: to be He doesn't want to be with you, doesn't

1477
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: want to be bothered with you. You gotta leave. She

1478
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: walked over to me before she left, and she said,

1479
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your ass to start up. From that point.

1480
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: On the other two days that we were there, I

1481
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: had a bodyguard every day because I didn't know she's

1482
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: gonna come back and shoot me or not. And so

1483
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: from that point on, I learned keep him for apart,

1484
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: don't be doing it in the same city. Stick with one.

1485
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: How you whispered to man? That was my crazy still,

1486
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: the whole whisper to half a whisperation, the whole whisper

1487
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 1: to everybody that I was like, Man, that scared me

1488
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: the daylights out of me because I was like, they

1489
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't say nothing about the gun. I just gotta you

1490
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: gotta go, yeah, you know, And now that, yeah, we

1491
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: got a little here. Wow, Who's who's next? Who got

1492
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: something else to kind of intertwined because we ended up story.

1493
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: We were in Buffalo, New York. It's been years ago

1494
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 1: with the huge jazz artists. He's now gone. He had

1495
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 1: a record called was a Dukie stick BIG's talking about.

1496
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: We were opening for him, and in those days, the headliner,

1497
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: you know how it is, they get everything. So we

1498
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: get to the sound check and all of their instruments

1499
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: are covering the entire stage and all is left is

1500
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: about a spot as big as this table for us

1501
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: to perform. And we said, are the intromant is gonna

1502
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: be moved back? Or can you know? Because we couldn't

1503
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: even get the five of us on that. He said, no,

1504
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: that's it, that's your space. So Scottie said, no, no, no, no, no,

1505
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,759
Speaker 1: we gotta have more space in this. He gets piste

1506
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 1: off and he attempts to kick the drum set with

1507
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: his feet and one of the roadies came to stop

1508
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 1: him from kicking it, and Scottie turned around and Cole

1509
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 1: cocked that man and it was on. It was fighting.

1510
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 1: They called the police and our trumpet players said Scotty

1511
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: and walked, y'all got to get out of here, and

1512
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: then you go back to the hotel as if this

1513
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: never happened. And he said, when you get back to

1514
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: the hotel, get under the bid because they coming for you.

1515
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: Eat and they're gonna find you because but this is

1516
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: the only and we both got under the bed, and

1517
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: of course the bed kind of went like but we

1518
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: got under. We got under that. The funniest part about

1519
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: it is that when we went to the room to

1520
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,719
Speaker 1: find out where they were. The guy you're talking about, John,

1521
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: he was our saxophone player, trumper trumper player, and I'm like, what, Scott,

1522
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 1: he's cracking up. Points you look out of the bed.

1523
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: They laying out like this. They actually come and took

1524
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: us to jail, but said, yeah, the police came to jail.

1525
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: We went to jail, both of Nick Nick paid off

1526
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 1: with basically how we end up getting out of jail.

1527
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: They end up taking us to jail with a little

1528
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: little funny. He got pressed charges. Yeah, he pressed charge

1529
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: and the police came, but Nick did is went to

1530
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 1: their road manager, paid them off and they dropped it.

1531
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 1: We spent overnight and they came and got us show

1532
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 1: that night. Mr show was over and the artists when

1533
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: you wish I could tell you, but he's artists. He

1534
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: died a few years ago. Piano player. Well, that's the

1535
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: only way that could they could hurt us because they

1536
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 1: knew our show, with our routines and the twins and stuff.

1537
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: If you could not give us enough space then you know,

1538
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 1: and there's other artists that done that too, you know

1539
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 1: that would give us a little space because they said,

1540
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: we don't need I don't need the heat, and long

1541
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: as I don't happen. I don't know this, this segments

1542
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know and we're not calling no name, but I

1543
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: will say this much to who if you gets to

1544
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: who that was, because he's no longer with us. We

1545
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 1: end up being the greatest friends in life. And it

1546
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: wasn't him that it wasn't so much as if it

1547
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: was really his people. It has people because he would

1548
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: have never he would have never even went that route.

1549
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: And he was the greatest guy. I don't want to

1550
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: call his name because the seconds, well, let's put it

1551
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: like this. We later ended up and ended up doing

1552
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 1: one of our biggest Christmas songs that he produced. Wow, yeah,

1553
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 1: it worked out. Somebody had to catch those hands. Yeah,

1554
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: some good time. That's what you're crazy. That's what's crazy. Crazy.

1555
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people caught hands. But let me say

1556
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: this to you YouTube and particularly said it in the beginning,

1557
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: but we have to say it again because the fact

1558
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: that you two young guys I thought enough of us

1559
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 1: to even allow us to do this. Yeah, a man,

1560
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: we don't take that for not. We appreciate it. We

1561
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: want you to know we appreciate we didn't even get

1562
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,919
Speaker 1: into maybe we could do it another time. This platform

1563
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 1: gives us the opportunity to say to our people some

1564
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:50,799
Speaker 1: things that we normally would have never got to do exactly.

1565
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: We thank you all for that. Yeah, we appreciate it.

1566
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: We don't take our granted. Man. Yeah, looks that you

1567
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: just appreciate old school. You know, heard that stuff on

1568
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, and so trained talking about R and B

1569
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: is dead stuff, And I'm like, what the heck are

1570
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: they talking and just trying to spark us. Come at y'all.

1571
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: You didn't say hip hop. Yeah, y'all say R and beach.

1572
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Everybody love you for money? Listen, we are we are

1573
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: we first of all, we love you. Um, we are

1574
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: not scared of the part two. So don't worry about that.

1575
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 1: I heard that anytime. You got it. Know what I'm saying,

1576
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: to be doing of our cattle. Yeah, it's so good,

1577
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: be honest with you. We didn't even get to next time.

1578
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 1: We'll get catalog talk catalog. You don't talk to that catalog. Yeah,

1579
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: you know anything about catalog to roll things. That's a

1580
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: bunch of them. The works, the works, you know what

1581
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm said, the bodies works. Um. First of all, let

1582
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: me say we love you, We appreciate you, thank you,

1583
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: thank you, you are. You are held in high regard.

1584
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: Thank you over here. You know what I mean. And

1585
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: so um, we can't thank you enough. We can't thank

1586
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 1: you enough for the work um, and we can't thank

1587
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: you enough for just being here and get giving us

1588
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 1: these jewels and this information, and you know, because that's

1589
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 1: that's where we all suffer, you know what I mean.

1590
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: We suffer from things we don't know, you know what

1591
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 1: I mean. And so these these places, things, people, all

1592
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: of this that you have that you've we need it.

1593
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. We need it. If we're gonna do better,

1594
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 1: it starts, it starts with the information. Thank you. Um

1595
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: so UM, I can't I can't wait to do this.

1596
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk catalog talking, and I can't

1597
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: wait for you to hold lesson in high regards by

1598
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: giving us one of them smashes. That's easy. That's easy

1599
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: because because I really get to tap into my phone,

1600
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: into my imaing. I really, I really get to be talented.

1601
01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 1: I get to be talented. And you're doing something. You know,

1602
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 1: we're ballads. That's where you know, that's where we come from.

1603
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 1: So you come from that same school. So I know

1604
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: you've got something, you got something deep in us. Between

1605
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,520
Speaker 1: the two of you, I can extend that bar, turnarounds

1606
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 1: to sixteen and you know they throw a special four

1607
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, we can get creative that's that's easy,

1608
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: and it's a musk. It has to be done. I

1609
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: want to say to YouTube, just keep doing what you're

1610
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 1: doing doing, don't change. Just keep doing what you're doing

1611
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: and it'll be fine. Well I'm tanking. I'm Ja Valentine

1612
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: and this is the arm by Money podcast, the authority

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01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: on all things are in and this y R Money,

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01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: R and B Money is a production of the Black

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01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio,

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