1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: Hi. 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll discuss reasons we now know that 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we. 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife on our episode today, 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: we have a collection of stories that I think will 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: really excite you. We're going to dig deep into a 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: brand new report from the newspaper The Washington Post that 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: shows how near death experiences are finally hitting the mainstream news. 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: You'll hear about a young mother and her experiences during 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: a c section, and a man who traveled out of 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: his body to visit his hometown while in a coma. 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: We're also going to explore the story of Scott Jansen, 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: a hospice social worker and a die hard atheist who 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: thought deathbed visions were hallucinations until he saw something impossible 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: that changed his life forever. And later we have the 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: scary and miraculous story of Greg Morris. He was the 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: victim of a brutal home invasion, died for fifteen minutes, 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: and traveled to a paradise so real, so physical, that 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: coming back to earth was the hardest part. But before 34 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: we get into those incredible stories, I came upon a 35 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: special clip of doctor Laney Leary describing her own near 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: death experience. She is the author of the book No 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: One Has to Die Alone, and her story explains exactly 38 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: why she does the work she does. I'll play her 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: words for you now. 40 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: I was twenty nine years old. I went to the 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: dentist's office. They were using laughing gas at the time, 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: I had never had a drink, never used drugs, never 43 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: smoked hardly ever took aspirin. I think my body just said, 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: what is this? And I went into anaphylactic shock. So 45 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: one minute I was in the dentist's chair, the next 46 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: minute I was up on the ceiling looking down at 47 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: this body. And as I looked at my twenty nine 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: year old body, I felt as though it was just 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: a piece of clothing. I had a fondness for it, 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: I knew it, I had used it well, but it 51 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: was time to go to the Salvation army. I wasn't 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: connected to it. I felt no fear, no pain, no anxiety. 53 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: The dentist was freaking out, and I was trying to 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: talk to him from up there and say it was okay, 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: but of course he didn't get it, and I had 56 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: also within this. I had no sense of time. There 57 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: was no anxiety, there was no sense of passing time. 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: So I don't know how long I was up there 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: in the corner. But the next thing I knew, it 60 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: was as though I had turned around and I was 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: going into a tunnel, and my mother, who had been 62 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: dead for fifteen years, was right at the tunnel I 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: can still see it. And she was beautiful and whole 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: and vibrant and healthy, and she did not die that way. 65 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: She was healed. 66 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: Her arms were outstretched to me, and we communicated telepathically, 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: so our mouths didn't move. But I thought and she received, 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: and she thought and I heard, and I thought, I 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: miss you. And what came back to me was I know, 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: as though her arms were around me, and I was 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: not able to tell her I loved her before she died, 72 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 3: and I said I love you, and she said, I know. 73 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: And my ego was not present, because my ego here 74 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: would have said I wanted to stay with my mother 75 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: for years and years and tell her every single first 76 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: date I had in my wedding and all about my child. 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: The ego was not present because I knew from a 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: soul level at that moment that she had always been 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: with me, We had never been apart. I knew that 80 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: I still know that, and so with that, I was 81 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: drawn into a tunnel that to me, the words I 82 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: can describe it are almost an opalescent blue, beautiful, And 83 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: at the end of the tunnel was a pinpoint of light, 84 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: and I couldn't do anything but go towards it. And 85 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: so I went toward this light. And as I got 86 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: to this light, it became bigger and brighter, almost like 87 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: looking into the sun. But it wasn't painful to look 88 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: into this light. And the light was in front of me, 89 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: and then the light was around me, and then I 90 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: was in the light, and then I knew I was 91 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: the light that as a drop of water in the 92 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: ocean is not separate, the light and I were made 93 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: of the same substance. 94 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: And I was home. 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: Bliss doesn't come close to the word, but I knew 96 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: in that moment that I was forgiven for anything I 97 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: thought was unforgivable. I was loved beyond all measure in 98 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: a way that I'd never been loved before, and I 99 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: wanted to stay there. And again, in the same telepathic 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 3: way as with my mother, I heard a voice that 101 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: said to me, and you can call this light whatever 102 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: you want, because words really get in the way of 103 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: what it was. But this light said to me, you 104 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 3: must go back. And with all the kutzpah I had, 105 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: I responded and said, and the light said, you have 106 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: work to do, you must go back, And again I 107 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: yelled with everything I had. Oh And then I felt 108 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: and I heard like a churning, like I was in 109 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: a blender coming back down through the tunnel. And the 110 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: next thing I knew, I was in the dentist's chair, 111 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: and the dentist thought that he had resuscitated me so 112 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: he can have the credit. And my life changed as 113 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: a result of that. Now, when I came back, I 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: was disoriented in a way of now what, because I 115 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: wanted to stay there, and my sense was if I 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: got to be back here, it better be good. And 117 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: because it really the difference, the comparison was that this 118 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: is like sledging through mud compared to the ease and 119 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: the love that's there. And it was shortly after that 120 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: experience and I was having these feelings of now what 121 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: that I was reading a newspaper fully open. I turned 122 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 3: the page and there was a full page article on 123 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: hospice and there were yes, just came up off the page. 124 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: And I've been working in hospice ever since. 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: Laney's story is so moving because it shows us the 126 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: purpose of these experiences. She came back with a mission 127 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to help others transition without fear. Just recently, the Washington Post, 128 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: one of the most respected newspapers in the World published 129 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: a major feature titled These people experienced near death. Here's 130 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: how it changed their lives. One of the most beautiful 131 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: stories they reported is about a woman named Krista Gorman. 132 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Years ago, Christa went into cardiac arrest while giving birth 133 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: to her daughter. She describes being on a hospital bed 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: feeling a sense of peace, and then suddenly her vision switched. 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: She wasn't looking from her eyes anymore. She was looking 136 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: down at the scene of her daughter's birth from up above. 137 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: She told the reporter, I didn't know it was my body. 138 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: It was like watching a movie. Then of force tugged 139 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: at her. She was pulled right through the wall of 140 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: the hospital and into a bright space, landing in a lush, 141 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: green landscape. She became one with it, she said, I 142 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: just merged with all of it. I was the flowers 143 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: and the water and the trees, and it was completely blissful. 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: She said she could have stayed there eternally, but she 145 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: chose to come back, and when she woke up, she 146 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: faced what so many experiencers face, the difficulty of explaining 147 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: the unexplainable. She admitted she became paranoid about sharing it, 148 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: fearing that she was making it up, but deep down 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: she knew I was so fundamentally transformed that I know 150 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't making it up. The article also shares the 151 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: story of Valerie Kirkis, a sixty year old from Portland, Oregon. 152 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: Just a year ago, she had a cardiac arrest and 153 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: was gone for four minutes. In those four minutes, her 154 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: consciousness traveled. She had a vision of being in San Francisco. 155 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: She saw a red street car, and on that streetcar 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: were her deceased loved ones, And as she approached, she 157 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: saw her mother with her arms outstretched waiting to hold her. 158 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: Valerie was shocked back to life before she could reach 159 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: her mother's arms, but the impact was immediate. She said 160 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: she felt completely renewed, like I was a whole new person. 161 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: Not all the stories in this Washington Post report were 162 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: about the tunnels of light. The article bravely includes the 163 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: variety of NDEs, proving that each journey is unique. Take 164 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: kir Whitson. He suffered a heart attack and was in 165 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: a medically induced coma for a month. He wasn't in 166 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: a heaven of clouds, but in an in between world. 167 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: He describes his consciousiness traveling around his hometown witnessing interactions 168 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: as if he were watching a movie. He told the reporter, 169 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 1: I cannot shake this feeling that my consciousness, my soul, myself, 170 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: my mind was out and about while I was trying 171 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: to survive, and now that he's recovered, he feels a 172 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: little sadness. He said, I knew it was special and 173 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: unique and that I was privileged to have it, But 174 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: now it's over. It's like going on a great trip, 175 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: and now I only have the memories. The article also 176 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: highlights how these experiences shatter our fear of death. There's 177 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: the story of a man named Takata. During his nd 178 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: he found himself in a large area that reminded him 179 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: of an airplane gate. He saw a tunnel with light, 180 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: but people there stopped him, tapped him on the shoulder 181 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: and said, you have to go back. Before this happened, 182 00:10:54,200 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: Takata was terrified of dying. Marietta Polivanova from the University 183 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: of Virginia notes that nearly seventy percent of survivors experience 184 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: a change in their spiritual beliefs. They become more empathetic, 185 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: less materialistic, and more appreciative of life. However, the article 186 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: also does a great service by acknowledging that not every 187 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: MD is blissful and that is okay. It tells the 188 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: story of Mercedes Samich. She was only twenty four having 189 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: an emergency C section. She started bleeding profusely and felt 190 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: herself floating into black nothingness. It was peaceful, but then 191 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: she panicked about leaving her baby. She had to choose 192 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: to float back. For Mercedes, the experience wasn't filled with angels, 193 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: and it left her feeling isolated because it didn't match 194 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: the happy stories she's heard others tell. And then there 195 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: is Peter Cotter. He had a cardiac arrest at sixty four. 196 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: He woke up with a memory of being underglass, pounding 197 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: on it and screaming to his medical team, don't let 198 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: me die today. Even though it was terrifying, Peter says 199 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: it changed his life for the better and that it 200 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: made him a much less selfish person and more concerned 201 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: about the people around him. This is the key takeaway, 202 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: my friends. Whether the experience is a blissful merger with 203 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: nature like Krista, a reunion with mom like Valerie, or 204 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: a scary wake up call like Peter, the result is 205 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: the same transformation, a shift away from self and towards others, 206 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: a realization that consciousness is real and powerful. We are 207 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: more than our bodies. When we come back from the break, 208 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: we're going to dive deeper into another incredible story, this 209 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: time from a man who was a complete atheist working 210 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: in hospice, whose life was turned upside down by what 211 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: he witnessed at the bedsides of the dying. We'll be 212 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 213 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 214 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 215 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: In our first segment, we looked at how the mainstream 216 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: news is finally waking up to the reality of near 217 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: death experiences. We heard about Laney Leary's journey and the 218 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: stories from the Washington Post. Now I want to take 219 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: you into a different kind of story. It's one thing 220 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: to hear about a near death experience from someone who's 221 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: had one. It's another thing entirely to hear about the 222 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: afterlife from someone whose job it was to help people 223 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: die and who didn't believe in any of this. The 224 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: story comes from a recent CNN report about a man 225 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: named Scott Jansen. Scott is a hospice social worker in 226 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and he's been doing this work for thirty 227 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: three years. But when he started, he wasn't a believer. 228 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: In fact, he describes himself back then as a knee 229 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: jerk atheist. He was an existentialist. He believed that life 230 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: had no inherent meaning, There was no soul, no spiritual order, 231 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: and absolutely no afterlife. When his dying patients would ask 232 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: for prayer, he would awkwardly change the subject. When they 233 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: talked about seeing dead relatives, he dismissed it. He said, 234 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: I assumed it was a bunch of nonsense. I knew 235 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: about deathbed visitations, but I thought they were disease related hallucinations, 236 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: deprivation of oxygen, that it must be the morphine. He 237 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: was certain, he was logical, but he was wrong. His 238 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: transformation began on a crisp autumn day when he went 239 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: to visit a patient named Buddy. Buddy was an elderly 240 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: man who had just lost his wife May. Now Scott 241 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: had known this couple for nine months, and May had 242 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: suffered from severe Alzheimer's disease. She was bedridden in all 243 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: the months Scott had visited. He had never heard May 244 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: speak a single word. He had only seen her open 245 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: her eyes once. She was, for all medical purposes gone, 246 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: But on this day, Buddy seemed different. His depression had lifted. 247 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: When Scott asked him why, Buddy said she was talking 248 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: to the angels in the last hour. God let me know. 249 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Then Buddy asked want to see. He brought out a 250 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: camera and showed photos he had taken of May in 251 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: her final moments. Scott looked at the photos and he 252 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: couldn't believe his eyes. The woman he knew as slumped 253 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: and non responsive was sitting upright in bed, and she 254 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: was smiling. Her eyes, which Scott described as illuminated blue, 255 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: were wide open and looking at something Scott couldn't see. 256 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: She was gesturing with her hands, talking to invisible visitors. 257 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: But he told him that in those final moments, May 258 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: looked at him, thanked him for taking such good care 259 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: of her, and then turned back to the unseen figures 260 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: and said it's beautiful. An hour later, she died. Scott 261 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: tried to rationalize it. He said he knew about terminal lucidity, 262 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: where the brain has a final rally, but this was extreme. 263 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: Her brain had been eroded by advanced dementia. Neural networks 264 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: were destroyed. How could she recognize buddy? How could she 265 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: speak in full sentences? And most hauntingly, what was she 266 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: seeing that made her smile like that? That was the 267 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: first crack in Scott's armor. But the universe was not 268 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: done with Scott Jansen. He had another patient named Evan, 269 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: a World War II veteran in his nineties. Evan was 270 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: deeply depressed and had been praying for death. But one 271 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: day Scott walked in and found Evan's gloom had vanished. 272 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: Evan told him a story from the war. He said 273 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: that during a brutal battle, he was carrying a wounded 274 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: soldier on a stretcher. He slipped, the soldier fell, and 275 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: the man died right in front of him in a 276 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: horrific way. That night, Evan was crying on his cot, traumatized. 277 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: He looked up and saw a soldier sitting at the 278 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: end of his bed. But this soldier was wreathed in light. 279 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: The figure didn't speak, but communicated a message telepathically, we 280 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: are all loved and connected. The vision visited him a 281 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: few times during the war and then stopped. But now 282 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: forty years later, in his hospice room, Evan told Scott 283 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: he's back. He said the glowing soldier had sat by 284 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: his bed the night before and told him I'm here 285 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: with you. I'm going to help you over the hill 286 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: when it's time to go. Evan died shortly after telling 287 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: Scott that story. Scott tried to brush these things off. 288 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: He was a professional, after all, he was grounded. But 289 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: the stories coming and they were getting harder to explain. 290 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: He visited a young father who was dying of brain cancer. 291 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: The man was devastated that he wouldn't see his children 292 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: grow up, but on one visit, his mood had completely shifted. 293 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: He was calm. He told Scott, I had a visit 294 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: from a little boy. He was about my kid's age. 295 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: He seemed happy, and he told me everything is going 296 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: to be okay, and I'm here to help you. The 297 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: man told Scott that he had told the little spirit 298 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: boy he wasn't ready to go yet because one of 299 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: his children had a birthday coming up, so the spirit 300 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: boy agreed to come back the following Tuesday. Scott Jansen 301 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: remembers that moment vividly. He said, and guess when he 302 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: died Yep the following Tuesday. These weren't just hallucinations, they 303 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: were scheduled appointments. But the moment that find finally clinched 304 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: it For Scott, the moment that turned him from a 305 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: skeptic to a believer wasn't something he saw in a patient. 306 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: It was a memory that these experiences forced him to 307 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: unlock from his own life. Years earlier, when Scott was 308 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: just twenty three and a graduate student, he was sleeping 309 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: in his apartment during a snowstorm. Suddenly, in the middle 310 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: of the night, he was jolted awake by the sound 311 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: of a loud ambulance siren. It wasn't outside, the sound 312 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: was coming from the corner of his bedroom. He heard 313 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: the siren, he heard the sound of a gurney being 314 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: rolled on asphalt, and he heard a man's voice yell, 315 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: bring it here quick. Scott jumped out of bed. He 316 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: looked out the window. The street was empty, silent, snow. 317 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: He checked his eyes in the mirror. He did math 318 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: problems to make sure he wasn't having a mental breakdown. 319 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: He was wide awake. He eventually went back to sleep, 320 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: telling himself it was just a vivid dream. The next morning, 321 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: his phone rang. It was his father. His father told 322 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: him that his uncle Eddie had been killed in a 323 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: car accident. Scott asked what time had happened. It was 324 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: the exact same time Scott had been woken up by 325 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: the phantom siren in his room. Later that day, Scott's radio, 326 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: which had been broken, suddenly turned on by itself. It 327 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: started playing the Beatles song Let It Be, and as 328 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: the music filled the room, Scott felt an overwhelming wash 329 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: of peace and comfort. The Beatles were his uncle Eddie's 330 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: favorite band. For years, Scott had buried that memory. It 331 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: didn't fit his atheist worldview. But working in hospice, seeing 332 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: the impossible photos of May, hearing about the glowing soldier, 333 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: witnessing the Tuesday appointment, he couldn't deny it anymore. He 334 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: realized that his scientific worldview was actually small and limited. 335 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: He said, I'd hear people talk about spiritual surrender, and 336 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: back then my knee jerk response was hell, no, you surrender, 337 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: not me. But today Scott Jansen is a believer. He says, 338 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: whenever people ask if I believe in God, I say yes, 339 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: I believe there is a unifying, conscious energy or force 340 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: that connects all of us. I think we go back 341 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: to our source. His sister says, he's a different person now. 342 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: He's less judgmental. He sees the good in everyone. He 343 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: values all life, even removing bugs from his house instead 344 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: of killing them. And perhaps the most beautiful change is 345 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: how he treats his patience. He no longer changes the 346 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: subject when they about the other side. Three years after 347 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: seeing those photos of May, Scott was called to the 348 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: home of a patient named Reba who had just passed 349 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: her husband. Cliff was standing by her body, heartbroken. The 350 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: funeral home men were there to take her away. Cliff 351 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: asked for a moment, can we have a prayer? First? 352 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: The old Scott would have refused, but the new Scott, 353 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: the one who had seen the truth, took Cliff's hand. 354 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: He closed his eyes and he prayed, Dear God, we 355 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: thank you for the life of Reba and the lives 356 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: she's touched. When he finished, Cliff hugged him, crying and said, 357 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: thank you, brother Scott. This story is so important because 358 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: it shows us that evidence doesn't just come from having 359 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: a near death experience ourselves. Sometimes it comes from simply 360 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: paying attention. It comes from witnessing the profound, unexplainable peace 361 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: that descends on the dying. It comes from seeing the 362 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: impossible clarity of a loved one who has returned to 363 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: say goodbye. Scott Jansen went looking for the end of life, 364 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: and instead he found proof of the beginning. And speaking 365 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: of proof, sometimes the evidence isn't a quiet whisper or 366 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: a vision. Sometimes it's dramatic, a physical journey to a 367 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: place so real you never want to leave when we 368 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: come back. I'm going to share the story of Craig Morris. 369 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: He was the victim of a home invasion, a brutal 370 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: attack that left him dead for fifteen minutes. What he 371 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: saw in those fifteen minutes, the colors, the feelings, the 372 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: absolute reality of paradise will make you rethink everything you 373 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: know about where we go from here. And here's a 374 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: bit of nd trivia for you. We assume when we 375 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: leave our bodies that we will see things just as 376 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: we do now with two eyes looking forward. But researchers 377 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: have found that this is not the case. Many reporters 378 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: report what is called omni directional vision. They don't just 379 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: see in front of them, They can see three hundred 380 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: and sixty degrees around, up, down, and even through objects, 381 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: all at the same time. It suggests that once we 382 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: step out of our physical bodies, our limitations vanish and 383 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: our awareness expands in ways our human brains can't even 384 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: begin to comprehend. We'll be right back. You're listening to 385 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 386 00:25:35,840 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: Coast am Heirinormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 387 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. We've been exploring stories that 388 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: have made headlines, stories that challenge our understanding of life 389 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: and death. But the story I want to share with 390 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: you now hasn't been in mainstream news yet, and honestly, 391 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: it's one of the most dramatic, terrifying, and ultimately beautiful 392 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: accounts I've heard. It proves that even in the midst 393 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: of the worst human violence, the soul remains untouched, safe 394 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: and loved. This is the story of Craig Morris. In 395 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty two. Craig was sixty six years old. 396 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: He was living in Panama, Central America, and he had 397 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: gone up into the remote mountains to help a friend 398 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: who was ill. They were staying in a little unfinished 399 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: two bedroom house on the hill. It was simple living, 400 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: no glass in some of the windows, and the electricity 401 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: came from a generator. One Tuesday night, they were just 402 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: sitting in the living room having a cup of tea 403 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: when suddenly the lights went out. It was pitch black. 404 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: Craig grabbed a flashlight. He assumed one of the dogs 405 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: had knocked a loose cable, so we went out to 406 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: the back door to check the generator. He knelt down 407 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: in the dirt he saw the cables. They hadn't been 408 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: knocked loose. They had been cut severed. Craig said, in 409 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: that flash of a moment, I just thought, that's not right, 410 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: something's wrong. That is the last thing I remember. He 411 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: didn't hear footsteps behind him. He didn't feel the blow. 412 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: He had been struck in the head with a crowbar 413 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: by men in military fatigues who were raiding the house. 414 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: The blow was massive. It killed him instantly. Craig said, 415 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: I was looking at the back of a generator and 416 00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: now I'm standing in paradise. It was instantaneous. I was thinking, well, 417 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: I must be dead, But how can I be here 418 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: if I'm not dead. I don't remember dying. He was 419 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: standing in a meadow, but it wasn't like any meadow 420 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: on earth. He described it. It was incredible. It was 421 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: like a rainbow wrapped in a valley. I could see 422 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: way in the distance a river, and I'm checking out 423 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: my body. I'm wearing a white robe. I wasn't wearing 424 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: any shoes. I was standing on grass, and the grass 425 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: was beautiful green, and it felt like silk, as if 426 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: I could feel every blade of grass on my feet. 427 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: This is what we call hyperreality. His senses weren't dull, 428 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: they were superhuman. Craig looked at a tree about thirty 429 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: feet away. He said, I could see every little nook 430 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: and cranny and the texture of the bark. I could 431 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: focus at thirty feet away and see the tiny details 432 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: of the veins in the leaves. And then he looked 433 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: past that tree to a mountain a quarter of a 434 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: mile away. I noticed if I looked, I could see 435 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: the leaves on those trees, and they were a quarter 436 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: mile away. That was really cool. He realized he had thoughts, 437 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 1: and when he thought them, he heard his own voice 438 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: in surround sound. He asked out loud, if I'm here, 439 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: then I must be dead, And immediately a voice answered him, 440 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: that's correct, you died. You're dead. Craig said, he felt 441 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: an overwhelming sense of acceptance. This is home, Welcome home. 442 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: This is where I'm supposed to be. He wanted to explore. 443 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: He thought about the river he saw in the distance, 444 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: and just by thinking it, he began to move. He said, 445 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: I realized I wasn't walking anymore. I just took off, 446 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: flying over the meadow. So I stopped. I didn't realize 447 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: I stopped, But as soon as I stopped thinking, my 448 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: body just slowly floated right back down until I was 449 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: on level ground. It was paradise. But then something pulled 450 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: at him, a heaviness in his heart. He remembered his life. 451 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: He said, I've got five biological sons. I've got two 452 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: step kids. I've been their dad for twenty years. They're 453 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: my closest friends, and I'm thinking they're going to be devastated. 454 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: Even in the perfection of heaven, the bond of love 455 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: for his children was stronger. Craig made a choice. He said, 456 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: I can't stay here. I don't want to stay here. 457 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to die like this. Somebody took my 458 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: life from me, so I said, in my mind, I'm 459 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: not going to stay here. I'm not going to die today, 460 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: not like this, and I put my hand down. The 461 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: moment he made that decision, the moment he asserted is 462 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: will to live. He was slammed back into his body 463 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: and he wasn't in paradise anymore. He said, I was 464 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: instantly back in my body here on earth, and oh 465 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: my god, I was gasping for air. I had been 466 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: dead for fifteen minutes. My hands instantly shot up to 467 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: my head. The pain was unbelievable. Blood is coming out 468 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: of the side of my head like a garden hose. 469 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: He was lying in the mud in the dark, surrounded 470 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: by the men what attacked him. They had flashlights pointed 471 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: at him. One of the men jumped down, straddled him, 472 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: grabbed his shirt and screamed in Spanish, Oh my god, 473 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: he's alive. They were terrified. They knew they had killed him. 474 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: And this is where the story becomes truly harrowing, but 475 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: also miraculous. These men were not done to incapacitate him. 476 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: One of the men took a rifle, pressed the barrel 477 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: directly into the back of Craig's leg, and pulled the trigger. 478 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Craig screamed, he felt the pain. He said, the pain 479 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: felt like a welding torch inside his leg. They tied 480 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: him up with zip ties. They interrogated him about money, 481 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: but Craig, having just come from a place of infinite power, 482 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: did something incredible. He looked the man right in the 483 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: eye and screamed, you already killed me Once, he said, 484 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: the man's eyes went wide with fear. The attackers eventually left. 485 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: Craig was alone, bleeding, shot and battered in the mud. 486 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: He knew he had to save his friend inside the house, 487 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: he crawled. He dragged his shot leg through the mud. 488 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: He braced himself on the wall to stand up. He 489 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: found a knife, freed his friend, and then realized he 490 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: had to go for help. This man, who had been 491 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: dead minutes earlier, managed to crawl up a hill, find 492 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: his truck keys in the mud, get into his vehicle, 493 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: and drive a manual transmission truck with a bullet hole 494 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: in his left leg, the leg you use for the clutch. 495 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: He drove for an hour down the mountain, fighting unconsciousness, 496 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: until he finally found a security guard station and got help. 497 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: But the miracle wasn't just that he had survived the attack. 498 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: It was what the doctors found later, Craig said, in 499 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: the afternoon, a doctor came by and he asked me, Hey, 500 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: have you seen the X rays of your legs? And 501 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: I said, no, sir. He showed me four pictures and 502 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: he says, these bullets never touched your bone. Think about that. 503 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: A high powered rifle pressing directly against his calf, fired 504 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: point blank. Craig said, the bullet split in two and 505 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: moved all around inside my leg, but never touched the bone. 506 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't meant to lose the use of one leg. 507 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: Within seven days, Craig was walking. He cut off his 508 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: own cast because he didn't need it. He was playing 509 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: basketball Shortly after. Craig was asked if the memory of 510 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: the other side has faded or if the trauma of 511 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: the attack overshadowed it. His answer is why I'm telling 512 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: you this story today, He said, no, not at all. 513 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: For many weeks afterwards, I would have dreams and I 514 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: would relive it over and over. It was as if 515 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: I was in a lucid dream and I was there again. 516 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: That was more home to me than where I am 517 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: right now. He said. The experience changed him comple Lately. 518 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: I haven't feared death since I know that this life 519 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: is but a blink of time. This body is so temporary, 520 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: it really is. And you know, when I was on 521 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: the other side and I was flying, I felt like Superman. 522 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: You realize how free you are when you're outside of 523 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: this earthly realm. Craig's story is extreme, it's violent, it's terrifying. 524 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: But in the middle of that darkness, there was a 525 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: light that could not be extinguished. He died, he went home, 526 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: He felt the grass, saw the leaves, flew with his mind, 527 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: and felt a love so total that it is still 528 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: with him. And when he chose to come back, his 529 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: body was protected in a way that defies physics. His 530 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: story teaches us that no matter what happens to our 531 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: physical bodies, whether it's cancer, a car accident, or something 532 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: senseless as an attack, is indestructible. We are not these 533 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: fragile bodies. We are supermen and superwomen flying over meadows. 534 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: We are consciousness that can see For miles, Craig said 535 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: something that I think sums it all up. He told 536 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: the doctors, who are amazed at his survival, that it 537 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: was the human will to live. But then he corrected himself. 538 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: He said, no, I don't believe that for a minute. 539 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: I think the strongest force in the universe is your 540 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: soul's will to love. That's what brought him back, love 541 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: for his children. When we come back for our final break, 542 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: I've got another story to tell you. And all of 543 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: these stories Laaney's, Scott's Craigs, and what they tell us 544 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: about our lives right now is if death is nothing 545 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: to fear, then life is everything to live. And here's 546 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: another bit of near death experience trivia for you. We 547 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: often think these experiences are rare, something that only happens 548 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: to a lucky few, But did you know how incredibly 549 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: common they are. A famous Gallup poll estimated that over 550 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: eight million Americans have had a near death experience. That's 551 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: a big number. It means that if you are in 552 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: a room with thirty people, statistically at least one of 553 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: them has peaked behind the curtain. It just goes to 554 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: show that the afterlife isn't a distant memory. It's the 555 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: reality that touches people's lives every single day right here 556 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods. So next time you're with a group 557 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: of people or just one or two, talk about near 558 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: death experiences and see if they or someone they know 559 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: has had one. We'll be right back. You're listening to 560 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 561 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: Coast AM Normal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 562 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain. We've been traveling through headlines 563 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: from CNN and the Washington Post about near death experiences, 564 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: then the social worker by the bedside of the dying, 565 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: and the scary attack with poor Craig Morris. But in 566 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: our final segment, I want to share a story that 567 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: hasn't been in the news just yet. It was sent 568 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: to me directly by the International Association for Near Death 569 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: Studies or ians dot org. It is a raw account 570 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: from a woman who calls herself Waterlight, and it offers 571 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: one of the most detailed and profound explanations of why 572 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: we are here. Her story begins during the height of 573 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: the pandemic in late twenty twenty. I just thirty six 574 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: years old. She contracted COVID on Christmas Day. By January second, 575 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: she was in a desperate state. She said, I could 576 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: not talk, really, I could barely breathe. I was too 577 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: afraid to call nine one one, because something in my 578 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: spirit told me that if I went to the hospital, 579 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: I would not be coming back. Just before the end, 580 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: she had a phone call with her cousin, Carrie. Carrie 581 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: had just called her out of the blue, sensing something 582 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: was wrong. She said, I spoke to her about what 583 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: I was experiencing, that I did not feel like I 584 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: was part of my body, and that I was going somewhere. 585 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: The last thing I remember is her telling me to 586 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: not go anywhere, to just stay where I was. The 587 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: phone call ended, I closed my eyes and I couldn't 588 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: breathe anymore. But I wasn't afraid. I was just tired, 589 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: and at that moment, in her bed while her children 590 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: were downstairs, she died suddenly. She was no longer in 591 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: her sick body. She was in a place she calls 592 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: death consciousness. She described it vividly. It's a darker place, 593 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: like a shadow land. I could see various landscape differences, 594 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: like hills and valleys, but it is many dark colors 595 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: and shades. I wasn't afraid. Standing in the shadowland, she 596 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: looked into the distance and saw something breath taking a 597 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: little to the left, she saw a horizon that looked 598 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: like a sunrise and sunset combined. She called this place 599 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: beyond consciousness. She said, the warmth that I feel from 600 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: this place is greater than the come comfort of a 601 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: warm blanket. But also, imagine entering a room full of 602 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: everyone you have ever loved before. It is pure love. 603 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: And I remember feeling like that and seeing everyone. Well, 604 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: that is where I needed to be, almost like a party. 605 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: I want to be there. She wasn't there yet, but 606 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: she realized she wasn't alone. There was no physical person 607 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: with her, but she felt a presence. She realized she 608 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: had access to total knowledge. It was like a telepathic 609 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: voice in her mind that could answer everything, and because 610 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: she is an inquisitive person, she started asking big questions, 611 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: questions we all have. First, she asked about the dying 612 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: process itself. The voice explained to her that while the 613 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: body might look like it's suffering on the outside, the 614 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: consciousness is actually protected. She learned the pain caused by 615 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: dying isn't fully registered in your consciousness, so there isn't 616 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 1: much suffering. But those in death consciousness are still present. 617 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: They can hear you, they can fill your touch, and 618 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: they can understand what you say from your heart. Then 619 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: She asked the question that haunts so many of us, 620 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: why do we suffer so much here on earth? The 621 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: answer she received is radical, The voice told her. Living 622 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: consciousness is one of so many lies, so many stories, 623 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: and absolutely none of the matter. Much of it is 624 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: made up by other living beings that want rules, regulations, 625 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: and control. Once you realize this, none of it matters. 626 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: She was told that many of our ideas about karma 627 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: and punishment are just human inventions. She said that suffering 628 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: isn't connected to a spiritual karma beyond the living. Therefore, 629 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: phrases like you reap what you sew is very much 630 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: a living consciousness concept. It does not come with you 631 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: when you die. So if the rules don't matter and 632 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: the karma doesn't follow us, what does and what's the point? 633 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: The voice was clear. Love is the only thing that 634 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 1: can cross transitional levels of consciousness. The love you give 635 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: and the love you receive can pass with you. It 636 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you did or who you were. All 637 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: that matters is who you helped, who you loved and 638 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: who loved you. The amount of money, your job, your looks, 639 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: mistakes or perfection, none of it matters. After you die, 640 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: you won't remember any of those details. They don't exist 641 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: where you go. Think about that freedom, all that pressure 642 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: we have to be perfect, to be successful, to be 643 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: as somebody, It all dissolves. Only the love remains. She 644 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: also learned incredible things about our planet. She was shown 645 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: that nature is far more alive than we realize. She said, 646 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: trees are very much living beings that speak, have consciousness, 647 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: and exist to help us. Water has its own consciousness, 648 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: probably the most powerful consciousness on planet Earth. It is 649 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: not just life. It has its own consciousness and carries 650 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: all answers to any single question you could ever ask. 651 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: She learned that we must honor the earth and live 652 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: in harmony with it, not just as a resource, but 653 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: as a fellow living being. She also asked about suicide 654 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: and death. She learns something that might bring comfort to 655 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: those who have lost someone to She was told living 656 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: humans do not actually get to choose whether to die. 657 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: Death happens to all of us, and we must honor 658 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: that transition because it is sacred, beautiful, and justified spiritually, 659 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: even if we do not understand it. She wanted to stay. 660 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: She wanted to walk into that beautiful beyond consciousness where 661 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: the party of souls were waiting for her, but she 662 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: felt the pull of her children, the lives she was 663 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: connected to. Here, she realized she didn't have a choice. 664 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: Returning was incredibly painful. She said. It was only after 665 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: I came back into my body and realized my pain 666 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: and how terribly sick I was, that all of the 667 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: feelings of grief, sadness, and anger occurred. For two weeks, 668 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: she fell into a deep depression. She had touched a 669 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: pure love and now was back in the heavy, slim, 670 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: ludging through the mud feeling of earth, just as Lany 671 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: Leary described. But she didn't stay in that sadness. She transformed. 672 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: She realized she was not the same person who had 673 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: died from COVID in that bed. She even changed her 674 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: name to Waterlight to honor the piece she felt when 675 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 1: she was floating in that waitless state, and she came 676 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: back with gifts. Her psychic abilities, which she had glimpsed 677 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: as a child, were now wide open. She said, I 678 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: can now lucid dream, and it is here that I 679 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: also meet with spirits. I received messages from the deceased 680 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: for other living people. She also developed a power of vision. 681 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: She said, I can touch objects and see who is 682 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: sick or what another person is feeling. I can also 683 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: find missing objects for people. It can be in another state, 684 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: and I can tell them where something is located. She 685 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: even went back to school to get a degree in 686 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: botany because now she can hear plants speak with the trees, 687 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,240 Speaker 1: and she wants to help bridge the gap between western 688 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: science and the consciousness of nature. She experienced. Her life 689 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: is now dedicated to service, to healing, and to reducing suffering. 690 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: As she put it, I suffer much less and can 691 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: now help others suffer much less. This brings our journey today, 692 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: my friend, into a full circle. In the beginning, we 693 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: heard doctor Landy Leary's words, who was told by the light, 694 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: you have work to do, and she came back to 695 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: serve the dying in hospice. Next we heard about Scott Jansen, 696 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: the skeptic who realized that a scientific view was too 697 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: small to contain the reality of the soul, and who 698 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: learned to say yes to the spiritual needs of his patients. 699 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: Then we heard about Craig Morris, who survived brutal violence 700 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 1: and came back with the absolute knowledge that the soul's 701 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: will to love is the strongest force in the universe, 702 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: and now water light confirms it all. She tells us 703 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: that the rules, the status, the money, it's all a distraction. 704 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: The only thing that crosses the threshold is love. The 705 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: evidence is mounting from the pages of major newspapers to 706 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: the personal transformations of people just like us, my friends. 707 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: The world is waking up to a simple yet powerful truth. 708 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: We are not our bodies. We are connected, and we 709 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: are eternal consciousness, and that means how we live today. 710 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: It really matters if trees have consciousness, if water holds answers, 711 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: if our loved ones are just a thought away, then 712 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: the world is not a lonely place. It is crowded 713 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 1: with help, guidance and love. So my challenge for you, 714 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: should you choose to accept it, is to live like 715 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: you know this is true. Forgive someone not because you 716 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: have to, but because holding onto anger is just living 717 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,879 Speaker 1: consciousness baggage that won't come with you anyway. Love fearlessly, 718 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: appreciate nature, and know deep down in your heart that 719 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: you are safe, you are eternal, and you're never ever alone, 720 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: and you are deeply loved. Remember come visit me at 721 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: wedotdie dot com. At the bottom of the page. Just 722 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: enter your name and email address. I've got a bunch 723 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: of free goodies there for you, including a copy of 724 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: my book We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life 725 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: after Death. Every Sunday two o'clock New York time on Zoom, 726 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: I host a free Sunday gathering inspirational service with some 727 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,760 Speaker 1: friends of mine, and there's a medium demonstration included. People's 728 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: loved ones come back with messages from all over the world. 729 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: I'll do my very best for you to continue letting 730 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: you know that you are a divine soul, You're having 731 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: a human experience, and you are loved and every day matters. 732 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to 733 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 734 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 735 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 736 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,359 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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