WEBVTT - Melrose Minute: Don’t Shoot the Messenger

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<v Speaker 1>Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi ladies, this is such a great Morrow's Minute because

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<v Speaker 1>we had this episode that was so chock full of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that I kept noticing that really drove me

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<v Speaker 1>crazy this episode is that Kimberly and Michael are deep

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<v Speaker 1>into their affair and Alison sees them kissing just overtly

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<v Speaker 1>making out in the pot. Oh so overt, so overt,

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<v Speaker 1>and she spends all this time sort of chasing down

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Lin, confronting him. Never ever mentions telling Jane, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was so strange. So what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the and I understand not wanting to get in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael sort of says, will you did this with

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<v Speaker 1>Keith so you don't have a leg to stand on?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think? Do you confront the guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you tell the friend? Like if she finds out

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<v Speaker 1>that Ali didn't tell her, won't she be furious? Have

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<v Speaker 1>you been on either side of it or been close

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<v Speaker 1>to this kind of situation?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in your character, Alison confronts the guy, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you go right up to you follow him into the

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<v Speaker 2>laundry room and do confront him. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>interesting for Alison, who is being portrayed as kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the good girl in very midwestern and had an affair

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<v Speaker 2>not that long ago with.

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<v Speaker 3>A married man with Keith, so you do confront him.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was interesting instead of going to Jane

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<v Speaker 2>or instead of talking to Joe you know about it?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we do?

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<v Speaker 3>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, it is sort of interesting because I think

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<v Speaker 4>probably not a whole lot of time has passed right

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<v Speaker 4>in what Alison has decided to do, so I can

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<v Speaker 4>understand like that conundrum of going you know, I feel

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<v Speaker 4>so gross and angry about this, but like deciding to

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<v Speaker 4>confront the guy before going to the friend, I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's almost like confirmation, you know. And then

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<v Speaker 4>for Allison's purpose, it does sort of get worse by

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<v Speaker 4>his confirmation of it. He doesn't have a good excuse.

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<v Speaker 4>He actually doubles down and he's like mister entitled about it,

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<v Speaker 4>which is super gross. Which it does feel like the

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<v Speaker 4>next thing Alison should do is tell Jane I mean, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then on the other hand, she's miss noseybody, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Like I wish that she hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>confronted him. I know we had to do that for storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish he'd gone to Jane, because Michael totally denied

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<v Speaker 2>it in her face, gas lighting with a vengeance, with

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<v Speaker 2>real audacity, and he does that, so you're just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, jeez, that was the wrong move. Now

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<v Speaker 3>if she goes to Jane, I just wish she'd gone

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<v Speaker 3>to Jane first.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the fantasy in her mind was she would say

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<v Speaker 1>to Michael, I started to go, oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so so sorry. It was a terrible mistake. I'm never

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it again. Yeah, he would be contrite.

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<v Speaker 1>His reaction made it so much worse, right, saying yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna keep doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever had, like, were you ever faced with

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<v Speaker 4>this like dilemma of like do I tell my friend

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<v Speaker 4>something she's really not gonna want to hear, but I

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<v Speaker 4>have to be the one to deliver this news, Like

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<v Speaker 4>have you ever been in that? Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>I've ever had to do that and be I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I hear you hear about it, right, like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 4>I and I can understand them not wanting to be

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle I don't think I've ever been I

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<v Speaker 4>know that, Like, I don't know, I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Memory these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's nothing this extreme, but I have like you

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<v Speaker 1>hear that someone saw someone's husband on a dating site.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and then actual husband or an ex husband a.

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<v Speaker 5>Current that's really great.

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<v Speaker 3>Then what do you do? Do you tell the wife?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like, because because here's the here are

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeen layers of it. Right, So you have the

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<v Speaker 1>layer of do you tell her maybe they have an agreement?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe they have an agreement, maybe they have an

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<v Speaker 1>open marriage, and you're just humiliating her by telling her, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have the information. We don't know ever, what

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<v Speaker 1>goes on behind closed doors, right, So do you say

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this, because then you're hining light on something

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<v Speaker 1>is none of your business.

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<v Speaker 3>But then if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't say anything, you're the friend who didn't say anything,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to be that person, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like, then you're the friend,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what kind of friend are you? You just saw

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<v Speaker 2>that and you didn't say anything. I could see like

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<v Speaker 2>getting in trouble for that too. But then you've brought

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<v Speaker 2>this thing to the surface. What if they were sort

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<v Speaker 2>of in happy denial and then they know you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so then now there's eye on this and eye on

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<v Speaker 2>this problem in their marriage.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's so complicated, and I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think you're right, Like, there's there's a possibility.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this happens a lot where the person receiving

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<v Speaker 4>this news so desperately doesn't want to accept it that

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<v Speaker 4>they turn their anger sort of as the person who

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<v Speaker 4>delivered their message.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, yeah, that don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Shoot the messenger, but it's I think that's a really

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<v Speaker 4>classic sort of thing to happen.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's probably.

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<v Speaker 4>Like if I were ever in this position, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I would super grapple with I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 4>the one to deliver this new but I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to not Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just need to say you too, if you in

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<v Speaker 2>real life, Okay, forget the podcast, forget the characters, forget

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<v Speaker 2>I see. No, I don't want to be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Daphne has an open situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well maybe maybe she'll get mad at me.

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<v Speaker 6>Take the chance and tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>For Courtney the teller, is it time to tell her

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<v Speaker 1>that way?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, we've been holding this information I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>know how to tell you, but I thought I'm doing

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<v Speaker 6>it all.

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<v Speaker 4>I know all the passwords on the Melrose Minute. Is

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<v Speaker 4>the right time to tell you this really important information?

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<v Speaker 6>Daf Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you sitting like to keep a really personal intimate

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<v Speaker 1>conversations for the Melose minute.

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<v Speaker 4>And under the guise of like just talking about it

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<v Speaker 4>in a hypothetical way, Actually we have something.

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<v Speaker 6>To share with your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>But I totally would want to know and if I

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<v Speaker 2>let me okay, let me ask you guys, if I

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<v Speaker 2>know something, what should I do going forward? If I

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<v Speaker 2>find out anything about either of you and your partners?

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<v Speaker 3>What well?

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, wait for Melrose minute. Number one, that's supportin thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Will wait for the show actually maybe a full hour episode.

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<v Speaker 6>I just want all of it, like just yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, it'll up our ratings. Okay, but then I do

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<v Speaker 2>what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's because if the person who saw the

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<v Speaker 1>guy on the dating site, these are not intimates of mine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So right have to first of all call this person,

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<v Speaker 1>say listen, it's Courtney.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't know me well, but we're not closely.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm just a busy body.

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<v Speaker 5>You may remember me from Melrose place listen.

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<v Speaker 1>So then that I would not write like I will

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<v Speaker 1>never say that, but if it was one of my

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<v Speaker 1>inner circle of friends, I absolutely would because because of

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<v Speaker 1>what you said, Daphney, I would be so horrified if

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<v Speaker 1>one of my truly intimate friends knew something like this

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't tell me, because I would.

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<v Speaker 5>Feel like they were lying to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then I would tell, and I would say, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know I love you no matter what you choose

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<v Speaker 1>to do with this, no judgment because I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any judgment. Like people get to it they want

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<v Speaker 1>no judgment, But I just need you to know this

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<v Speaker 1>because I tell you everything and I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>have a clear channel.

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<v Speaker 4>So then I just like sort of choosing your loyalties, right,

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm I'm you're my friend, and you're the one, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>who should know what I know? Like I'm it's you

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<v Speaker 4>I want to protect and by having this information, that's

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking out for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're friends with both the couple and your

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<v Speaker 2>loyalty is to them as a couple, it's tricky, man,

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<v Speaker 2>It's really tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>Tricky, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't be a fun But people other people would

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<v Speaker 2>say because it's a but I know what I would

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<v Speaker 2>want and uh yeah, oh, just for the record.

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<v Speaker 5>Underhand on a site zip it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we have an agreement.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, no, I want to know too, but maybe

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<v Speaker 4>keep it off the Millrow's minute, I come on personal preference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah yeah, but this is uh, we'll see hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>people will our listeners will pipe in and say what

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<v Speaker 2>they would do or have had done to them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think, yeah, it'll be interesting too, Like now

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<v Speaker 1>that Jane has an idea, does she mention it to

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<v Speaker 1>her dear friend Alison, And does Alison say, listen, now

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<v Speaker 1>that you bring it up, I want to mention this

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<v Speaker 1>little tit.

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<v Speaker 3>And she would get mad at you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure then she of course do not tell me.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah no, it's it seems like that's coming.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's totally fair, like she's figured it out on

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<v Speaker 4>her own anyway sort of. But like it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>give Alison the opportunity to say, actually, now that you

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<v Speaker 4>mention it, but it is still going to open up

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<v Speaker 4>the cannon words like why didn't you tell me sooner?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so you know, unfortunately, right, it's humiliating for

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<v Speaker 1>the person who was cheated on. Right, it shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not about them. It doesn't say anything about them.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a way, you're humiliating your friend by saying, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>this person cheated on you. And it's so embarrassing when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody knows something intimate about you your life that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that reaction might be very as we said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be angry at you, like if your denial

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<v Speaker 2>is strong and like, what do you know? And then

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly you have no friend anymore. You know, I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>very you know all or nothing and very I make

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I want to know, and you're gone. If

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<v Speaker 2>you go, you're gone, You're dead to me, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>probably end up in jail because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have to kill you. But oh, that is a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>So we won't tell Daphne.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but now you're making me think she wants to know.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the other hand, I just feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>could just see, like it's boy, it's a no win situation.

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<v Speaker 6>I do have a friend who.

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<v Speaker 4>Has like a neighbor that she saw a neighbor that's

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<v Speaker 4>like married or whatever, and then but she saw this

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<v Speaker 4>neighbor so like to your point, like not a close

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<v Speaker 4>close friend, but a neighbor with somebody that wasn't her

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<v Speaker 4>husband and sort of witnessed this and she just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sort of filed it away or like, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>her place because she wasn't close enough friend.

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<v Speaker 6>To say anything about it.

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<v Speaker 4>But the neighbor, then, you know, who knew that My

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<v Speaker 4>friend saw Yeah, said you know, hey, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to let you know.

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<v Speaker 6>What you saw.

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<v Speaker 4>It's actually we do have an agreement and an open relationship,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just you know, I just wanted to just

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<v Speaker 4>so you just don't think anything's weird whatever. And it

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<v Speaker 4>was that situation where where it was explained by this

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<v Speaker 4>unique relationship and and it was an agreement and whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But the neighbor sort of even though you know it's

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<v Speaker 4>like a close.

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<v Speaker 3>So did your friend say really, so it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Just sort of like an interest your wife know about

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<v Speaker 4>the open Does your wife know that there's an agreement?

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<v Speaker 6>Is the wife in on this opening ground and so

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<v Speaker 6>that you have it? Yeah, So, like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think there are sort of some unexpected you how comes

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<v Speaker 4>to things like that, even like it's such a weird

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<v Speaker 4>thing hypothetical, and I think it's like a case to case.

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<v Speaker 4>It's based on what your relationship was with the person,

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<v Speaker 4>and like your relationship with the person, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>important for you.

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<v Speaker 6>To get involved or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And but just again it just calls Michael out for

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<v Speaker 4>just being absolutely opposite of having any consciousness at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you also don't want it to be so

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<v Speaker 1>Alison is now told Billy, and Alison will probably tell

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and then she'll tell Jake.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't want Jane to feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>The last to everyone knows it. Talking about that wuld

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<v Speaker 1>be horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I would see Alison telling Joe and then Joe marching

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<v Speaker 2>right down to Jane's I could see Joe like marching

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<v Speaker 2>right down with Alison Jane. Oh hi, Michael, that episode' here,

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<v Speaker 2>sit on down. I have something to ask.

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<v Speaker 4>Which again might sort of throw Alison under the bus, like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh really, Joe would tell me but not you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I think that that's what she would do

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<v Speaker 3>for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that we have to use our Melrose characters

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<v Speaker 4>to imagine like what we would do, Like there's so

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<v Speaker 4>many of these circumstances, like I've never really been in

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<v Speaker 4>this position.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe when the show is on Laura like, people

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<v Speaker 2>would do stuff and then say, well, what would Melrose do?

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine, they would do.

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<v Speaker 5>It being blind, so people would be nice to me.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you wonder what I really do?

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<v Speaker 5>Really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to wonder. Sometimes a script just it's

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<v Speaker 1>like your real life.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah right, how.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they know?

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<v Speaker 6>How do they know? That's exactly the type of thing

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<v Speaker 6>that you would do.

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<v Speaker 3>What's a documentary Melrose?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, going.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to our first, our original question of this Melose minute,

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<v Speaker 2>if you put it on Melo's place, we'd be like boring,

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<v Speaker 2>ho hum, Yes, it happens like every other day, somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>cheating on somebody.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We had to skip ahead to watch an episode that

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Esti's was in and we were like, what is happening?

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<v Speaker 5>It was so much going on.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, plenty, plenty of conversations.

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<v Speaker 5>Get a taste of that. Yeah, see what happens in thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>It can make us ask a lot of what would

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<v Speaker 4>I do in real life questions?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you guys, what to do?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to hear what it's good to know that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys would like to know. I'm on the fence, okay, noted.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll be very my dog's out walking with someone else.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you guys keep it carrying.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll weigh all the pros, and that's a whole other

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<v Speaker 4>Melrose minute.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, dog walkers, Yeah, alright, guys, to.

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<v Speaker 6>See you, see you for the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye,