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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he is Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, Elliott. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. And it is a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: a backdoor work Wednesday for the players here at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco inside the SWBC Mortgage studio. Here it
Speaker 1: is Talking Cowboys. And does Taco Tuesday grow into what
Speaker 1: are what would we call Wednesday? I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: we'd call Wednesday, but we survived a Taco Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: now we the big mystery here is what happens with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys roster now that Robert Quinn is back at practice.
Speaker 1: As the team heads out to the practice field at
Speaker 1: this hour and they have until three o'clock this afternoon
Speaker 1: to make a roster move. And hello, Mickey, how are you?
Speaker 1: I am doing fine? How are you very well? About you?
Speaker 1: Rob doing well? Sir? And Brian brought us Brian very
Speaker 1: busy over there. I'm sorry, I'm laid on marriscope up
Speaker 1: and run. I'm laid on periscope. I'm sorry about folks,
Speaker 1: I am. And let's start with the fact that this
Speaker 1: is Dolphins week. Yeah, yes, and it is, in the
Speaker 1: words of a former Cowboys coach, Iowa State Week. Oh.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was twenty five years ago next month
Speaker 1: that the Dallas Cowboys traveled to Cincinnati to take on
Speaker 1: Iowa State. And that was a close game. It was
Speaker 1: an Owen seven Iowa State cyclone team, wasn't it, Mickey, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was and uh yeah, they almost came back to
Speaker 1: nip him in the bud. Huh Is that like the
Speaker 1: comment in the paper Tuesday? You know, back in the day,
Speaker 1: there was one press conference a week for the head coach.
Speaker 1: There were there were availability these after practice, but there
Speaker 1: was one of these that you just heard, the Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett press conference, which is basically a daily thing, which started.
Speaker 1: I guess when when did that start? Made it what
Speaker 1: every day? Yeah? But Barry okay, week after he would
Speaker 1: but there would be one where you're in the meeting
Speaker 1: room there and it's a it's a big deal. It
Speaker 1: was a Tuesday, and at his Tuesday press conference that week,
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys were preparing to play the Owen seven
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. Barry made the comment that it's kind of
Speaker 1: like when you go play I always state and getting
Speaker 1: your team ready to play a team that hadn't won
Speaker 1: a game. Basically, I think it's the day thing started
Speaker 1: with Bill. Okay, but and that was because Bill was
Speaker 1: still good at these press conferences. So then what was
Speaker 1: very memorable. The Bengals played the Cowboys off their rear
Speaker 1: and then the handshake after the game was interesting. What
Speaker 1: was it, David Shu David Shula. Yeah, yeah, David Shula
Speaker 1: was the head coach of the Bengals and he had
Speaker 1: some choice words for Barry in the post game handshake.
Speaker 1: That was funny. David Schula got fired from here after
Speaker 1: the eighty nine season though, right right after night. But Sula,
Speaker 1: it was the coach of the Bengals, you know, that
Speaker 1: gave it a twenty three twenty game is very close game.
Speaker 1: So the word awarning there is despite the fact that
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins are thirty second in the league in
Speaker 1: offense thirty second in the league in defense, once upon
Speaker 1: a time, the Cincinnati Bengals at seven played the Cowboys
Speaker 1: off their feet. Yeah, I feel like the only real
Speaker 1: chant that the Dolphins have in this game is if
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick does try to turn this into a shootout,
Speaker 1: if he just if he just goes toe to toe
Speaker 1: with with Dak Prescott and both teams, you know, can't
Speaker 1: I mean, let's see if Dallas can't get pass rush
Speaker 1: and Fitzpatrick gets the ball out. You know, DeVante Parker's
Speaker 1: really their best option throwing the football down the field too.
Speaker 1: They're going to take some shots. They took some shots
Speaker 1: against Baltimore, they took some shots against New England. And
Speaker 1: Parker has the ability to elevate. He's a big, tall,
Speaker 1: long receiver that can go get the football. So we've
Speaker 1: seen and I brought it up yesterday with with Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: that he took an undermanned Tampa Bay team into New
Speaker 1: Orleans in Week one last season and turn it into
Speaker 1: a shootout type of a game where he dueled where
Speaker 1: he dueled Drew Brees and then they came away with
Speaker 1: a victory. Does magic was born? Yeah? See, that's that's
Speaker 1: where you know he's capable of lighting up a defense.
Speaker 1: If you don't get pressure on him, the ball comes
Speaker 1: out quick with him. Had they had success these first
Speaker 1: two games, absolutely not. But that's the one hope that
Speaker 1: they have that they you know, if Dallas doesn't get
Speaker 1: the pass rush doesn't affect the way he throws the football,
Speaker 1: that he will sit there and get the shotgun snap
Speaker 1: and just keep firing it and that, and that's their
Speaker 1: best chance to win. That's the man. That's their only
Speaker 1: chance to win in this game. That and taking the
Speaker 1: ball away. You saw what happened. You know, Washington takes
Speaker 1: a I believe they scored first after a Dack interception,
Speaker 1: got the ball at to dallas thirty eight yard line
Speaker 1: and was able to cash in. So, you know, Cowboys
Speaker 1: have to keep their mistakes at a minimum as well. Well,
Speaker 1: what you worry about is this team comes in with
Speaker 1: nothing to lose, right, so they can just zing it
Speaker 1: around and whatever. But let's put this thing in perspective.
Speaker 1: They've had two games and they've totaled twenty three first downs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like what eleven and a half a game. No,
Speaker 1: there's no question they've ruggle and that's why they're O
Speaker 1: and two. Both these losses have been at home though, too.
Speaker 1: They've averaged one hundred and ninety two yards a game,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety two, and they've averaged one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty yards a game passing so Fitz magic. I
Speaker 1: don't know when it's gonna sprout up, but two pick
Speaker 1: sixes I believe last week in the second half. I mean,
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to do anything offensively or defensively.
Speaker 1: If you look at these numbers, have you ever seen
Speaker 1: a team or seen a Cowboys team go up against
Speaker 1: a team that has ranked last in the league in
Speaker 1: offense and defense. I realize it's just two games, but
Speaker 1: it's probably happened, right, maybe not dead last. They just
Speaker 1: have trouble sustaining drives. I mean they're five of twenty
Speaker 1: five on third down through two games. Fifty nine to
Speaker 1: ten followed by forty three to nothing doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: this league, I think, I think maybe one time in history,
Speaker 1: because they matched an all time record getting outscored by
Speaker 1: nine two points in two consecutive games. This league is
Speaker 1: a strange Lady boys, Oh, I know, I know, you
Speaker 1: can't take anything. I never thought that. I never thought
Speaker 1: that New England would roll into Detroit last year and
Speaker 1: taking ll You know, I mean, there's there's there's games
Speaker 1: that happen, and I'm not trying to blow smoke up
Speaker 1: everybody's ass here and say that this game, and Mickey's
Speaker 1: absolutely right, they're god awful. Okay. The chance they have, though,
Speaker 1: is they have a quarterback that's not afraid to throw interceptions.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid to throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: He's tough as all. He's the toughest s ob quarterback
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life as far as taking
Speaker 1: hits and getting up and keep playing. And if Dallas
Speaker 1: does turn the ball over, but you don't know, trust me.
Speaker 1: I was on a team at LSU, seventh ranked team
Speaker 1: in the country. It was beaten by Miami, Ohio because
Speaker 1: we turned the ball over five times. It happens. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, I'm just you know, I'm just putting it
Speaker 1: out there. You know, we can we can roll through
Speaker 1: all these numbers and everybody can agree on it. But
Speaker 1: what was the score of the Dolphins Patriots game last
Speaker 1: week with three minutes to go in the third quarter?
Speaker 1: I believe it was thirteen to nothing. It was sixteen
Speaker 1: to nothing. Sixteen to nothing, yeah, yeah, So I mean
Speaker 1: it was thirteen nothing at halftime, so they were hanging
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. And if you go back and look
Speaker 1: at the at the game, even early in the game,
Speaker 1: they've got a simple little third down conversion that the
Speaker 1: wide receiver just drops. They had had they had a
Speaker 1: tip things, they had a tip ball that went. They
Speaker 1: threw the ball to to their running back in the
Speaker 1: flat and he knocked the ball up in the air
Speaker 1: and they gotta gotta pick Collins, gotta pick six off that.
Speaker 1: So again I'm just saying though, I mean, well, Dallas
Speaker 1: win this game. Yes, that probably will win this game.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that they're gonna beat him forty
Speaker 1: three to nothing. And they played against two of the
Speaker 1: hottest teams in the league the first two weeks exactly,
Speaker 1: there's no questions the road. So also a very young
Speaker 1: football team and getting younger by the trade. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick mayka Fitzpatrick's one of them, but look at the
Speaker 1: moves they made at the end of training camp. You know,
Speaker 1: they trade away Tonsil, they trade away he Stills, they
Speaker 1: cut Dwayne Allen, Bryce Butler, there's a lot of they're
Speaker 1: they're starting over, they're getting very young, and that's a
Speaker 1: big part of why they've struggled in these first two games.
Speaker 1: And you're facing a Cowboys team that's young but has
Speaker 1: gained a lot of experience in the last twelve months.
Speaker 1: They traded away one other guy too, by the way,
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. Yeah, everybody kind of leaves him out of
Speaker 1: the equation that I was getting went down in. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to everybody
Speaker 1: else out there. That's referring to the trades they've made,
Speaker 1: And it's the trades they've made since the season started.
Speaker 1: They started getting rid of guys in the offseason. Two
Speaker 1: and all they got for Robert Quinn was a sixth
Speaker 1: round draft choice. We'll see if yeh, we'll see if
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn can do what he needs to do. Here
Speaker 1: Quinn talk here. Yeah, well they're gonna you know, they
Speaker 1: seem pretty confident that the hands ready to go. Now
Speaker 1: they got to see how much he can do. My
Speaker 1: guess is that he doesn't do more than with DeMarcus
Speaker 1: laur did in the first game of the year. And
Speaker 1: I think his snaps were thirty somewhere thirty two right right, So, so,
Speaker 1: and now, from what I understand, Crawford's probably not ready
Speaker 1: to go. Eighteen snaps last week, not probably. I think
Speaker 1: you think he's out. Yeah, I think he's out. Crawford
Speaker 1: not practiced today tells me a lot. And then that's
Speaker 1: why I brought up the point yesterday about potentially keeping
Speaker 1: Taco if you're the front office, because you're not sure
Speaker 1: what's going on with with with Crawford's injury. To me,
Speaker 1: I don't think Crawford's playing this game. And so and
Speaker 1: if that's the case, If if they don't keep Taco,
Speaker 1: then you understand how down they are him absolutely on
Speaker 1: his attitude and and because it's almost like they need them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if they don't keep them, then I think that
Speaker 1: speaks volumes of what they think about they would rather
Speaker 1: go with, They would rather go with everybody else but Taco,
Speaker 1: who who we all talked about. And this by far
Speaker 1: was his best preseason since he's been here. But if
Speaker 1: they move on from him. But I liked what Mickey
Speaker 1: said yesterday or the day before. I believe it. But
Speaker 1: if but Crawford's not playing, so now you start taking now,
Speaker 1: start taking all these guys off the field for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: By the way, if this kind of evens the playing
Speaker 1: field a little bit, you know, oh Thompson's playing safety today,
Speaker 1: maybe instead of Woods. Oh, okay, Oh, Robert Quinn's playing?
Speaker 1: Who's playing? Riding Quinn? And Dorne Armstrong? Okay, who's playing?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean no, no, Now you don't have
Speaker 1: Crawford to help out with the loss of Woods inside. Sure,
Speaker 1: he can't go. Sure, So now Tristan Hill's gonna have
Speaker 1: to to suit up. Yeah, and Christian Covington's you're starting
Speaker 1: nose tackle that one doesn't bother. I'm just saying you much.
Speaker 1: Your depth is this, Yeah, you're playing a game with
Speaker 1: You're playing a game with players that might be similar
Speaker 1: to what the Dolphins starters are. That's where you have
Speaker 1: to be a little bit cautious about this game as well.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with Covington. But then what happens if you
Speaker 1: have one more inside, no question, then you're you got
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson college college MALIEK. Collins could play the one,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to have to play the
Speaker 1: one this week and have it he'll have and he'll
Speaker 1: play the three, the three. Yeah, yeah, well Covington, he'll
Speaker 1: play the one. Will start rotate guys through that, and
Speaker 1: then you don't have your you don't have the ability
Speaker 1: to move Crawford inside on passing downs to be a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Yeah, next to Collins, next to MALIEK Collins,
Speaker 1: So yeah, you start getting then you're one injury away.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we hear all about this depth and it's
Speaker 1: all great when you have all your starters there, But
Speaker 1: then when those guys are the starters, then what do
Speaker 1: you have and they get a rash of injuries at
Speaker 1: the same position, you can get yourself in trouble. People
Speaker 1: are on the unperiscope they think I'm picking the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and say I'm picking the Dolphins. Look, it's just the NFL.
Speaker 1: I just played sense like brought us is picking the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is go ask the nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: nine Washington Redskins. I totally agree with that, a team
Speaker 1: that should not have won, gained about all year long,
Speaker 1: and they went in there and winning the game. What
Speaker 1: thirteen to three or some business like that, Dallas will
Speaker 1: win this game. But to think it's gonna be forty
Speaker 1: three to nothing, I don't think so. I just I
Speaker 1: could say you start taking players out and playing with
Speaker 1: backup players, And Mickey made another point right there. You
Speaker 1: start playing with backup guys. Now things start to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more equal, is it? Is it going
Speaker 1: to be perfect? No, it's not, but it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more equal. I mean, think about it at safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Xavier Woods can't go okay, okay, go on good,
Speaker 1: We got Darien Thompson. Well, now what happens with one
Speaker 1: more injury? Then you're back there with Frazier or Wilson
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. Yeah, it could be donovand Wilson's time. And
Speaker 1: then you start slinging it around sort of what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys due to the Redskins right when they had the
Speaker 1: injuries at the cornerback position, no Dunbar, no Morrow. They
Speaker 1: had to have a rookie in the slot Moreland and
Speaker 1: then and then uh Rogers Kmarti gets hurt, and what
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys do? Hey, we're going three wide every
Speaker 1: play here because you don't have guys to cover us.
Speaker 1: Don't forget about the wide receiver position because gallop while
Speaker 1: they have depth at receiver, and we saw it clearly
Speaker 1: with Devin Devin Smith last week. What's table on Austin's
Speaker 1: status this week? They had it. They had to make
Speaker 1: a move last week to account for him. And now
Speaker 1: you know you don't have gallop Police for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, So do they have to make another roster
Speaker 1: move to help your numbers at wide receiver. I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about the overall group because the offense has
Speaker 1: been what it's been for two weeks and they've still
Speaker 1: got weapons. Devin Smith as a proven commodity, sure, but
Speaker 1: they may have to figure out their depth there as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, it's what was the what was
Speaker 1: what pac Man say in two thousand and eight when
Speaker 1: they were playing the Rams. It's the Rams, the Rams, dude, dude,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the worst teams maybe ever.
Speaker 1: Uh Now, they didn't have rong finger game and no, no,
Speaker 1: he was out, he was out. He warmed up, but
Speaker 1: he didn't play. Brad Johnson, right, Brad Johnson played, couldn't
Speaker 1: hit the broadside of a barn. Still, Still, nobody gave
Speaker 1: the Rams a chance and they kind of blew them
Speaker 1: out because they were The point is to what y'all
Speaker 1: pointed out, it's the NFL and games. It I don't
Speaker 1: think people realize how hard it is to win an
Speaker 1: NFL football game, no question, no matter who you're playing against,
Speaker 1: no question, it's the whole I know it's the whole
Speaker 1: they get paid too, but it's really true. The Rams
Speaker 1: hadn't won a game that here. It changed the roach.
Speaker 1: It was Jim Haslett's first game Introm's the Rams, dude, Dude, dude,
Speaker 1: it's the Dolphins, dude. It was Brat Johnson. Dude. So
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, as we approach a three o'clock deadline
Speaker 1: where they need to make a roster decision on who
Speaker 1: goes what, what do you think they're choosing between? Well,
Speaker 1: I think they probably already made it because whoever you're
Speaker 1: going to release you, I'm not going to practice him, right.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked. I ask that question to walk
Speaker 1: off because I'm like, do you got to practice all
Speaker 1: your guys? He said for the most part, And I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: who who? Now we need to check and see who's
Speaker 1: not practicing. Well, it does make sense to wait because
Speaker 1: you get through this practice and if somebody were to
Speaker 1: get hurt in practice, it might impact your decision on
Speaker 1: where your depth is and things of that nature. So
Speaker 1: I understand why they haven't officially made a move yet,
Speaker 1: and I understand why the league has it where it's
Speaker 1: Wednesday at three o'clock where you make the roster move
Speaker 1: rather than Tuesday at three o'clock, because that way the
Speaker 1: suspended player you can actually see him on the practice
Speaker 1: all to see where he is. Ye as well, they
Speaker 1: got to make the move regardless. Yeah, I don't get
Speaker 1: why it's Wednesday instead of Saturday for sand who did
Speaker 1: not report, but it is what it is. That's the NFL.
Speaker 1: Someone want to go check out practice or do we
Speaker 1: want to give it a couple of minutes and then
Speaker 1: we do have a break. We want to wait a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes to get to make sure everybody's out
Speaker 1: on the practice field so we can check to see
Speaker 1: who's not there, or go ahead. It's a long walk here,
Speaker 1: it's like ten feet away from it. Make you take
Speaker 1: your phone and go out there in the practice field,
Speaker 1: all right, And so we are going to take a
Speaker 1: break and if we haven't determined who's not on the
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Speaker 1: is a Wednesday here at the Star in Frisco, and
Speaker 1: after a couple of days off, Cowboys players back at
Speaker 1: it today and back out on the practice field. Wednesday
Speaker 1: is an outdoor practice. They're out there right now. Mickey
Speaker 1: is checking it out. Brian and I went out there
Speaker 1: as well, just to get a gauge on who is
Speaker 1: on the practice field and who is not on the
Speaker 1: practice field. And we had to like a forty five
Speaker 1: second glimpse of who's out there, and my back hurt.
Speaker 1: So getting it out of that. Chairs now appreciate someone
Speaker 1: had to hold down the follow like David Hellman and
Speaker 1: those guys that are out there watching practice right now,
Speaker 1: because I'm getting reported Taco was not on the field.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if that in fact holds true. Okay,
Speaker 1: we will keep checking that as we go along here.
Speaker 1: That may tip us off to something, you know. It's
Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, is when you look at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pass rush in these first two games, and in fact,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett even talked about it after the Redskin game
Speaker 1: that they need to improve the pass rush. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a healthy Robert Quinn, what does that do
Speaker 1: for their pass rush? Well, if it's a healthy Robert Quinn,
Speaker 1: he gives you another weapon on the outside. He gives
Speaker 1: you a different dynamic than what you have from Crawford. Now,
Speaker 1: Crawford will would continue to start Crawford was healthy, he
Speaker 1: would still continue to be your right end and then situationally,
Speaker 1: you would see Quinn and come into the game and
Speaker 1: rush and they kick Crawford down inside. So then you'd
Speaker 1: have Collins, Crawford, Quinn, and Lawrence as your four primary
Speaker 1: pass rushers. So Robert Quinn still has something left on
Speaker 1: the tool belt, and he said mean not to what.
Speaker 1: He still got something in the tank. But he's got
Speaker 1: stuff in the tool belt. And you start talking about
Speaker 1: how Lawrence rushes with all the different variety of moves
Speaker 1: that he goes with, the rips, the swims, the dips,
Speaker 1: the stutter step that he used. Robert Quinn's very similar
Speaker 1: that way himself. So now you have two pass rushers
Speaker 1: that have that kind of ability. If Robert Quinn can
Speaker 1: go back to his days, and we've seen him at
Speaker 1: Miami have some a little success, the rams is where
Speaker 1: he had his big success, you know, rushing, getting that
Speaker 1: wide nine technique and coming off the edge and then
Speaker 1: causing problems there. He's fresh, he's healthy, the hand, everybody
Speaker 1: feels like the hand is going to be in good shape,
Speaker 1: ready to roll. So we'll see how it all plays
Speaker 1: out for him. But yeah, he still can rush the passer.
Speaker 1: He's still capable of affecting the pocket, and now you
Speaker 1: have two legitimate you get the push from the inside,
Speaker 1: and you have guys like Lawrence and Quinn and those
Speaker 1: guys coming off the edge. The pass rush will improve
Speaker 1: in that way. They just have not. They played against
Speaker 1: a couple of quarterbacks that are veterans, savvy quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: go back ball out of hand, Get back ball out
Speaker 1: of hand, get back ball out of hand. And they'll
Speaker 1: play another one this week that's that way too. This
Speaker 1: guy will get rid of the ball quickly. But yeah,
Speaker 1: as you can see in the highlights right there, his
Speaker 1: ability to break down tackles, I think is where he's
Speaker 1: made a living throughout his career. That lanky ability to
Speaker 1: kind of move keep the blocker's hands off him and
Speaker 1: then allow him to rush the passer. Is he an
Speaker 1: underrated run defender as well too? Yeah, it's hard got
Speaker 1: to get around the edge because for how much he
Speaker 1: plays up the field, he's able to keep things wide
Speaker 1: and then and not allow you to hook him, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's one of the reasons why though
Speaker 1: they really like Crawford over there, that's because, yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's that edge setter on the right side. If you
Speaker 1: don't have him. You need somebody that can do that. Yep,
Speaker 1: absolutely perhaps, And and you know, the concern on Crawford
Speaker 1: is it is how long is he going to be
Speaker 1: bothered by this hip injury. It is already week three
Speaker 1: and here we go. You know, we've got a long
Speaker 1: season here as we all. So yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be about managing him. And again, you know it's the
Speaker 1: it's a game against the Dolphins this week, you probably
Speaker 1: sit him and get him ready for Saints and then
Speaker 1: the Packers the following week after that. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just not going to be easy for a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys that you know. Brit Brown and the
Speaker 1: training staff did a really good job with all these
Speaker 1: guys getting him back on the field and and trying
Speaker 1: to give him a chance to at least have some
Speaker 1: success as as healthy players. He's a tough dude. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has played with a lot of stuff in the past,
Speaker 1: shoulder all that kind of stuff. But yeah, he's probably
Speaker 1: in that mix. You know, they gave him practice off
Speaker 1: Wednesday last week, and when he does get back, if
Speaker 1: it's this week, if it's next week, you may have
Speaker 1: to manage him. That's probably they're gonna have a plan
Speaker 1: for Sean Lee. They're gonna have a plan for for
Speaker 1: probably Zach Martin throughout the season to get through the
Speaker 1: back injury that he's got as well. See anything out there, Yes,
Speaker 1: I did not see Tyrone Crawford out there, and I
Speaker 1: did not see number ninety seven out there either. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. We have not heard a injury on him,
Speaker 1: So maybe they just decided that's it. Yeah. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought we had a good plan, though
Speaker 1: yesterday I did too. I mean, so that tells you
Speaker 1: what I said earlier. There's there's a role of dissatisfaction.
Speaker 1: There is, there is clear dissatisfaction. The general manager came
Speaker 1: out yesterday and said he had not given up on
Speaker 1: the player. So that just tells you the potentially the
Speaker 1: avalanche of like Mickey said, he's a healthy player. So
Speaker 1: it's not a you know, not something that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we found out taco you know, burned his
Speaker 1: hand cooking last night or something like that. He's not
Speaker 1: here for a reason. And so if that's the case,
Speaker 1: and they have injuries at defensive end and a brand
Speaker 1: new player coming in, that just tells you right there
Speaker 1: that they are ready to move on. And so I
Speaker 1: believe I said it yesterday, Like at what point does
Speaker 1: this come to ahead? You know? And we'll see if
Speaker 1: it does. But you know, when you take to social
Speaker 1: media and what does Jason Garrett always say, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the guiding light, is this roster and what's best
Speaker 1: for the team. And when you go to social media
Speaker 1: and you and you voice your displeasure, that's that puts
Speaker 1: you at odds with the organization. Now, that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff can be repaired, but um, it just it made
Speaker 1: me curious of like, how do you go about repairing
Speaker 1: and at what point do you can you can you
Speaker 1: do that? You know? And and maybe we're at that point.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. And when you ask
Speaker 1: questions about no Crawford, you know, Quinn can't play the
Speaker 1: entire game, it's like, well, you know Armstrong, Carrie Hider,
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, and oh what about the other guy? So now,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's playing his hand this
Speaker 1: way or not, because the way Taco might be looking
Speaker 1: at it, or his agent if he clears waivers, if
Speaker 1: they indeed make him the guy that's released to make
Speaker 1: room for Quinn his one point three seven six million
Speaker 1: dollars base salaries guaranteed, so they got to pay that.
Speaker 1: The four hundred and eighty thousand of it next year
Speaker 1: is guaranteed, so they have to pay that. And then
Speaker 1: you have pro rated signing bonus still for next year
Speaker 1: that will go into your cap. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: an expense. You Now, if you traded him immediately, it
Speaker 1: was going to be four million dollars, So that also
Speaker 1: would tell you their level of dissatisfaction and maybe not
Speaker 1: with his performance with everything else. Yeah. Um, but again
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if he clears waivers, he's still gonna make
Speaker 1: as much money as if he was here. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: from his standpoint, and then if you're thinking, well, surely
Speaker 1: you could get a seventh round draft pick for him
Speaker 1: or something in a trade. That's the big thing. His
Speaker 1: base salary at one point eight million dollars, the team
Speaker 1: that takes that takes him on in a trade would
Speaker 1: be responsible. But guys, for a guy that's a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: that's cheap. That's right when you know that the team
Speaker 1: is going to release him. But if you don't want
Speaker 1: to fight other teams, but you're also looking at the
Speaker 1: guy that holds a fifth year option too. So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if he is something, he magically he continues,
Speaker 1: maybe he develops somewhere else. And a guy who did
Speaker 1: show something in the preseason, there's no question if you're
Speaker 1: if you put on if you watch his preseason tape
Speaker 1: from this year, you're going to say he looks like
Speaker 1: a different player. Though on that rams game, he looks
Speaker 1: like a different player. And so you know, with all
Speaker 1: that being said, you know somebody might say, hey, at
Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars, we could do a lot
Speaker 1: worse of claiming this contract. We could do a lot worse.
Speaker 1: So I you know, I mean, I hey, Mickey's right
Speaker 1: about this. There's clearly clearly a big divide between him
Speaker 1: and coaches, teammates, you know. But again, I'm just taking
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones to his word that he said, hey, I
Speaker 1: haven't given up on him. But but you know, he's
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones would accuse him of just acting out and
Speaker 1: doing what he wants to do. Well this case, you know,
Speaker 1: he's saying, hey, listen, I'd like to keep this guy
Speaker 1: if we could, and then they're saying, no, no, we
Speaker 1: need to move on. For what it's worthy, and Rappaport
Speaker 1: just tweeted, the Cowboys are still keeping the door open
Speaker 1: for a possible trade of Taco, but if nothing comes
Speaker 1: to fruition, they plan to move on from him. Here
Speaker 1: you go. So, so him not practicing today is about
Speaker 1: to preserve his health in case they have to trade him.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work at three o'clock today, then there'll
Speaker 1: be an official release maybe that says that they've they've
Speaker 1: activated Robert Quinn and they've put Taco Charlton on wacause
Speaker 1: lasting something. If Quinn's gonna play Sunday exactly, so you
Speaker 1: have to you have to part ways with somebody or
Speaker 1: if he's going to practice tomorrow, right back too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and and again you always run the risk of
Speaker 1: a guy going out there and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: going oh yeah him straight and then now yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: and I'll keep your options open. Yeah absolutely, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean the guy you're getting ready to get rid
Speaker 1: of that too. But I mean, if you think you're
Speaker 1: that guy, you'll come up with a phony injury so
Speaker 1: you can get paid some more. But he's gonna get
Speaker 1: paid anyway. So yeah, that's that's the beauty of being
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick and getting guaranteed money, right,
Speaker 1: and these days, first round draft picks all get guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: So se so so everybody that says, see what teams
Speaker 1: do you know? They everybody should have guaranteed money. But
Speaker 1: sometimes it backfires on you too. It helps the players
Speaker 1: are these first round picks to have guaranteed money. Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna see this is not gonna be the first
Speaker 1: contract that we see that somebody's got a guarantee that's
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Just the way these contracts. It's
Speaker 1: a way of getting these guys into camp early. But
Speaker 1: it's also now the guaranteed money is going to be
Speaker 1: something that people to your point about a team who
Speaker 1: maybe would acquire him, Sure he's got salary. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can also look at it this way that, Okay, if
Speaker 1: he went through waivers, what they're paying in his base
Speaker 1: salary is only about a million dollars more than what
Speaker 1: they would be paying him claimed him off waivers, no question,
Speaker 1: no question. And if they're if your team, like the
Speaker 1: Dolphins who need players robs right though, you might not
Speaker 1: just you you might not want to just fight. You
Speaker 1: don't want to fight. Maybe it's like yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if it cost us a seventh round pick, a conditional
Speaker 1: seventh round pick to take a look. If Taco's active
Speaker 1: four games, then we'll give you a seven. There's nothing
Speaker 1: that that's that's smart football. If your roster is very depleted, yes,
Speaker 1: in pass rush, maybe you go ahead and you make
Speaker 1: a move, especially if you've got maybe a bundle of picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people have compensatory picks too. You can trade those now
Speaker 1: too as well. Saying the other thing, we don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on in that locker room. Yep, you know
Speaker 1: he might have ostracized himself as teammates. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I said yesterday. It's I and I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I was asking the question, like, how does that play
Speaker 1: in with your teammates? And when you walk back into
Speaker 1: the building and you've said, I assume that's what he meant,
Speaker 1: free me like, I don't know if it meant I
Speaker 1: want out of here or I just want to play
Speaker 1: on Sunday. But either way, how does that play with
Speaker 1: your teammates? How's it play with your coaches? That's the
Speaker 1: question I had. Because it's three weeks into the season,
Speaker 1: everybody's all in right now. Everybody's all in for what
Speaker 1: you're trying to do. Why do I think, though, and
Speaker 1: I was listening to what you're saying, why do I
Speaker 1: think this is just the cherry on top? You know what,
Speaker 1: I ain't three years of steadily building to this moment.
Speaker 1: He's just I mean, he's a different cat. Well, he's
Speaker 1: also extremely frustrated, you know, after that, and not just
Speaker 1: but on him too. I know, yeah, that's on him,
Speaker 1: not just with the team. But it goes back to
Speaker 1: what Jerry was saying on the fan yesterday, the expectations
Speaker 1: that come with being a first round pick, and that's
Speaker 1: part of your job. You're professional. Mickey said, You're getting
Speaker 1: paid either way. But he SAIDs you know, remember after
Speaker 1: the preseason opener in the forty nine ers locker room
Speaker 1: visiting locker room, he really kind of opened up about it.
Speaker 1: How you know, I've stopped worrying about what people think
Speaker 1: about me, because if I if I play very sensitive gap,
Speaker 1: if I played poorly, I'm terrible. If I do good,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh well, it's not gonna last. And then
Speaker 1: he said it's he sounded like a guy that would
Speaker 1: be open to a fresh start back then, and he
Speaker 1: remember he made the mention out of the blue. No
Speaker 1: one asked him. He goes, yeah, and me and my
Speaker 1: agent have talked about this. It was it was kind
Speaker 1: of cryptic. It was cryptic, and it was like, WHOA, Okay,
Speaker 1: but have been more to it than that. Yep. Interesting.
Speaker 1: It's on him though, too. I'll say that again, absolutely, Brian.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to jump on you or make
Speaker 1: here anybody else. But I'm just saying though, you know,
Speaker 1: he we we talk about him in a in a
Speaker 1: positive light, you know, like, oh, we had a really
Speaker 1: nice preseason this year. Yeah, well, well what about the
Speaker 1: first year? The second year? I mean, there were flashes,
Speaker 1: but no consistency, and that's and that's a problem. You know,
Speaker 1: the opportunity is there for him right now here with
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford's injury, there is an opportunity. It's the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would love to have a former first round draft pick
Speaker 1: who is bought in and being acting in a professional
Speaker 1: manner whatever Byron Jones to who they can plug in
Speaker 1: in a rotation with Robert Quinn this week. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying a guy buying in. I mean, the cow
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't want to do anything with Taco Charlton.
Speaker 1: But it's come to this point apparently, so all right
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Speaker 1: good read man. That was mickey you add lib that one, Well,
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, straight off the page. No, there's no
Speaker 1: copy here. Yeah, there's just points, all right. You know what.
Speaker 1: You're all welcome to do this if you want. Let's
Speaker 1: see how y'all do this every day. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and pronounce some of those words that you
Speaker 1: threw at us last week. That's right. I can bring
Speaker 1: that one to you. Do that. That would be fun. Well,
Speaker 1: remember the phone number five to two nine seven if
Speaker 1: anyone who would like to give us a call, give
Speaker 1: us a call. There anything going on on periscope ran
Speaker 1: anything going on on Paris, wos not. They're arguing with
Speaker 1: each other on periscope. People are People are like they're
Speaker 1: talking about though that, and you know, maybe I could
Speaker 1: throw it out there, but they feel like, though that,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you like to have seen Taco instead of Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1: It's Joe Jackson. I mean, it's Joe Jackson done enough
Speaker 1: for you in these first couple of games to maybe
Speaker 1: think that, you know, hey, wait, maybe Taco needs a
Speaker 1: well is it I know it's because of the flexibility
Speaker 1: if we haven't seen him play tackle yet, But was
Speaker 1: it just so far gone with Taco that he was
Speaker 1: never going to get a shot I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because what we kept hearing in camp was he's coming along,
Speaker 1: he's playing hard, he's playing pretty well, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's inactive for Week one. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: came as a surprise to me. But you're right about
Speaker 1: the position flex and it may be more important now
Speaker 1: because of Tyrone and Antoine, depending on what their status is,
Speaker 1: if they can't go, if they both can't go this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about a player in Taco Charlton,
Speaker 1: who was a two thousand and seventeen first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: meaning the Cowboys still had him under control for the
Speaker 1: next three years, including this year. Sure and so and
Speaker 1: another team wouldn't too to acquire him in a trade.
Speaker 1: That's why you know to trade. So you just don't
Speaker 1: have to fight. If you think. If you're a pro
Speaker 1: personnel guy and you're sitting in an organization, you're saying, listen,
Speaker 1: this is who we're playing with. You guys keep telling
Speaker 1: me about our team. Look at our team. Look. I mean,
Speaker 1: say I'm at the Buccaneers or someplace like that, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you guys keep telling me you don't like
Speaker 1: our ends, you don't like this guy. You don't like this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a guy. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: college guys. Tell me what you had on the reports. Well,
Speaker 1: we kind of thought he was this this okay, let
Speaker 1: me show you this film of the Rams game. Let
Speaker 1: me show you what he's capable of, you know, let
Speaker 1: me show you what we might be getting here if
Speaker 1: we if we claim this guy, that's that's the cell
Speaker 1: job for pro guys around the league. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: maybe that's something like a pro guys saying, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: we do need to trade for this guy. Let's kicking.
Speaker 1: Let's kick a seven, a conditional seven to them and
Speaker 1: try and get this guy and see if we can
Speaker 1: make it work. And I need to correct myself. Mickey
Speaker 1: said it right. He's at one point four million this year,
Speaker 1: one point eight million next year exactly. So if you
Speaker 1: acquired him in a trade, so basically have him take
Speaker 1: off the two games he's already missed or already been
Speaker 1: paid for this year. I mean, you're basically looking two years,
Speaker 1: three million dollars, that's what you'd have him four plus
Speaker 1: another to me, to me, that's a cell. That's a
Speaker 1: good sell. If I'm a pro guy and another team
Speaker 1: trying to get this guy or trying to try his
Speaker 1: agent trying to sell. Yeah, I think, and if he
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, you're lett him go and you're not
Speaker 1: on the hook. No, that's what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 1: go a conditional seven to Dallas, your conditions and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: if he's active four games, will give you a seven
Speaker 1: in two twenty one or two thousand whatever, I mean
Speaker 1: that to be next year, but they just you just
Speaker 1: do it at this point absolutely. Yeah. So now you're
Speaker 1: now you're at a point where you saying, okay, we
Speaker 1: could take a look at this guy for three weeks.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't work out, well, you would be on
Speaker 1: the hook. You you inherit his contracts. So if you
Speaker 1: would be on the hook for the guaranteed money next
Speaker 1: year too, well, not but much. It's like a minimum,
Speaker 1: a rookie minimum. But that's what I'm saying. Though. You
Speaker 1: you have a player that you have control over, and
Speaker 1: he might be better than the guy you're running out
Speaker 1: there every week that's causing to lose football games. So
Speaker 1: I was trying to go through my memory bank that
Speaker 1: fades when you get older. I don't remember a cowboy
Speaker 1: being released mid season who was a first round pick.
Speaker 1: We talked about it at lunch. What you know, I
Speaker 1: know guys that didn't finish their contracts and you had
Speaker 1: to go back to eighty two with um. Was it
Speaker 1: Rod Hill? First round pick? He only played two years here?
Speaker 1: So Bobby Carpenter finished his deal. Bobby Carpenter finished his
Speaker 1: four years low Claiborne didn't. Mo did, Felix Jones did?
Speaker 1: Mike Jenkins did? I thought they traded Bobby carpentered the
Speaker 1: Rams for offensive lineman and then that offensive lineman had
Speaker 1: the holding call in the Roy Williams getting in touchdown
Speaker 1: got ended the game see Young Memories. Yeah, I am
Speaker 1: blanket on that. You might be right on that one.
Speaker 1: I know they was Colombo got injured, I want to say,
Speaker 1: and so they put that guy in. It was game
Speaker 1: one against the Redskins, and Romo had a game when
Speaker 1: he touchdown, but the Refts called it back and so
Speaker 1: I didn't account. I don't know where's Wikipedia when you
Speaker 1: needed that? Wasn't a guy that had the heart attack?
Speaker 1: Was it Alex Barron? Yes, Alex Alex Barron. No, that
Speaker 1: wasn't him. But regardless you you can't think of one, Okay,
Speaker 1: and so after just two years, not after two years
Speaker 1: that he was Bobby Carpenter was traded for Alex Barron
Speaker 1: as he's right after the O nine season, and he
Speaker 1: was an OH six draft first round pick six seven,
Speaker 1: So it was after his third year. So he was
Speaker 1: in his fourth year going into his fourth year. Very good,
Speaker 1: Okayden Gates, So two guys show more often Caden with
Speaker 1: him put like two guys were let go after injuries.
Speaker 1: Mike Sharad had two broken legs and so he only
Speaker 1: played one year. And then um, Billy Cannon junior had
Speaker 1: a neck injury his rookie year and eighty four and
Speaker 1: what about retire Robert Shaw, that was a center from
Speaker 1: Tennessee injury? Didn't he he had an injury though, that
Speaker 1: was like seventy nine. Yeah, that's someone. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a good player. He wasn't a bust. He had an injury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Let's go to Mark in Nebraska here on
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. Hello, Mark, Hey, how's it going great? Good?
Speaker 1: I was just curious. So I know that everyone I
Speaker 1: know most of the organizations. Real Jeff Heats supporter, I
Speaker 1: know he's a good guy who works hard and everything,
Speaker 1: but I think he takes bad angles and he cares
Speaker 1: more about a hit than he does a tackle. But
Speaker 1: I was just thinking Jalen Ramsey is once out. We
Speaker 1: spent a first round on to Mario. We're going to
Speaker 1: resign him, hopefully. I know that it's a premature, given
Speaker 1: that we just did it last year, but there is
Speaker 1: there any chance that we can make a move for
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey because we wanted him anyways. Yeah, but was
Speaker 1: if if things hold true, if they're a fact looking
Speaker 1: for two first round picks, then I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trust me. I was in the administration that last time
Speaker 1: gave two first round picks for a player, and the
Speaker 1: owner wanted to strangle everybody in that room at that time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't you know to me the jail,
Speaker 1: this is what I said. I said this on one
Speaker 1: to five three yesterday. I would be very comfortable trying
Speaker 1: to work a deal with Byron Jones. And I'm saying
Speaker 1: this with all sincerity. To me, I know what Byron
Speaker 1: Jones is. I know what he can bring in this
Speaker 1: locker room. I know how he goes about his job,
Speaker 1: I know how heart he plays but I also know
Speaker 1: what I would worry about is if you traded for
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, Yeah, you get a great player, no question.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is going to hold out on you the
Speaker 1: very first opportunity he gets, like next year. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is immediately going to say, I want twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play for this rookie deal. You
Speaker 1: have to pay me. And then so all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now all this work that you've tried to do to
Speaker 1: kind of manipulate your cap and make it work with
Speaker 1: all your players. One of the reasons why you have
Speaker 1: one of the better teams, better rosters and National Football
Speaker 1: League is because you've got guys that have willing been
Speaker 1: willing to take some deals. So that's where I think,
Speaker 1: to me, I don't see them. I don't see them
Speaker 1: giving up two ones. The reports are a team is
Speaker 1: offered a one and a five teams offered one and
Speaker 1: a player. I just don't think that you can creatively
Speaker 1: come up with a package that Jacksonville would be happy
Speaker 1: with other than two first round picks. And I just
Speaker 1: don't see this organization doing that. I would do everything
Speaker 1: in my power to try and resign Byron Jones to
Speaker 1: the best deal you can get for him and the
Speaker 1: best deal you can get for yourself, and play with him.
Speaker 1: I know what type of player he is, I know
Speaker 1: what type of person he is, and I want him
Speaker 1: in my locker professional and I like Jalen Ramsey going
Speaker 1: into the draft, no question. Since then I figured out
Speaker 1: what kind of person and personality he is. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had a home run with their pick as Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: And by the way, just one other thing on that,
Speaker 1: you go ahead and give up your first round pick
Speaker 1: in the day tomorrow, you're gonna say next year, boy,
Speaker 1: I've got a hole. I need to draft somebody. Question
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