WEBVTT - Introducing: McCartney: A Life in Lyrics

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey everyone, it's justin Richmond. Over the last year

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<v Speaker 1>I've been working on an absolute dream project over here

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<v Speaker 1>at Pushkin, making a podcast for the one and only

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Paul McCartney. The show's called McCartney A Life in Lyrics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's available everywhere today and it's full of insightful conversations

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<v Speaker 1>between McCartney and his friend, the poet Paul mull Doom.

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<v Speaker 1>The two of them taped years of conversations digging into

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's lyrics and songwriting process, and because it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>separate the art from the man, a lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>personal life gets revealed too, like his relationship with his

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<v Speaker 1>family in Liverpool, the success and breakup of the Beatles,

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<v Speaker 1>his time with Wings and so much more. McCartney A

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<v Speaker 1>Life in Lyrics dropped with two episodes today, one on

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<v Speaker 1>eleanor Rigby and the one I'm presenting to you here

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<v Speaker 1>now on Back in the USSR. If you love music

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<v Speaker 1>and songwriting and have ever wanted the chance to be

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<v Speaker 1>a fly on the wall for a conversation with the Beatle,

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<v Speaker 1>then McCartney A Life and Lyrics will not disappoint to

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<v Speaker 1>binge all the first season right away subscribe to pushkin

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<v Speaker 1>Plus on Apple Podcasts and all twelve episodes will be

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<v Speaker 1>there waiting for you. In the meantime, here's Paul mldoon

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul McCartney on Back in the USSR for their

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<v Speaker 1>new podcast, McCartney A Life and Lyrics enjoy At the

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<v Speaker 1>height of the Cold War, with.

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<v Speaker 2>The closing of the border, Soviet divisions in East Germany

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<v Speaker 2>were on the move, with combat forces brought into strategic

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<v Speaker 2>positions for the contest over the status of Berlin.

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<v Speaker 3>At a time when two halves of the world were

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<v Speaker 3>separated by an iron curtain. On the brink of nuclear war,

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<v Speaker 3>the Beatles released Well, a strange kind of rock and

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<v Speaker 3>roll song, be sing I'm formal dou I'm a poet,

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<v Speaker 3>a lover of not only the lyric poem, but the

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<v Speaker 3>song lyric might be. Over the past several years, I've

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<v Speaker 3>got to spend time with one of the greatest songwriters

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<v Speaker 3>of our era.

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<v Speaker 1>And will you look at me?

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<v Speaker 3>It's happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going up to I'm actually a performer.

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<v Speaker 3>That's sir Paul McCartney. He and I worked on a

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<v Speaker 3>book together, looking at the lyrics of more than one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many

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<v Speaker 3>hours of our conversations.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh she I'm a songwriter.

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<v Speaker 5>My God will that that cryptor homie.

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<v Speaker 3>This is McCartney, a life in lyrics. It's a masterclass,

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<v Speaker 3>a memoir, and an improvised journey with one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most iconic figures in popular music in this episode. Back

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<v Speaker 3>in the.

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<v Speaker 2>USSR, mobilization efforts during the last months of nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>one brought the United States Army to a strength of

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<v Speaker 2>over a million men, subsequently increasing our troops strength throughout Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to imagine just how puzzling it would have

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<v Speaker 3>been in nineteen sixty eight to hear a song about

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<v Speaker 3>somebody being happy to leave the West and go back

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<v Speaker 3>to the Soviet Union. Only a few months before, Russian

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<v Speaker 3>tanks had rolled into Prague to crack down on protests

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<v Speaker 3>against Soviet control. This nineteen sixty at report from ABC

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<v Speaker 3>News highlights the extent of the operation.

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<v Speaker 6>Russian tanks and infantry, aided by troops from East Germany, Hungary, Poland,

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<v Speaker 6>and Bulgaria, have occupied Czechoslovakia and have crushed the new

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<v Speaker 6>and relatively liberal leadership of that small country.

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<v Speaker 3>The way this song turns the cultural and political world

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<v Speaker 3>order on its head is what makes it the joke

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<v Speaker 3>of an era. As was often the case for McCartney,

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<v Speaker 3>he drew inspiration from what was happening in the wider

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<v Speaker 3>world as well as from the songs that were playing

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<v Speaker 3>on his radio.

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<v Speaker 4>Chuck Berry wrote a song called Back in the US,

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<v Speaker 4>which we were very familiar with, and so I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thought it was. It was kind of cool. It

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<v Speaker 4>was obviously a serviceman returning home, going back into the

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<v Speaker 4>ux going back into his home civilization.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck Berry had come back from a trip to Australia

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<v Speaker 3>where he had witnessed the dismal living conditions of the

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<v Speaker 3>indigenous population, and he wrote this song as a kind

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<v Speaker 3>of anthem to his glorious USA.

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<v Speaker 4>From the.

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<v Speaker 3>Delaware, glossing over the struggles of the American civil rights

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<v Speaker 3>movement at the time. Berry's song is a celebration of

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<v Speaker 3>capitalism and the economic boom of the nineteen fifties, of

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<v Speaker 3>drive ins and sizzling Hamburgers. Paul McCartney and the BS

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<v Speaker 3>loved Chuck Berry, and they loved this upbeat, celebratory anthem.

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<v Speaker 3>But not a decade at best. The Vietnam War was

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<v Speaker 3>a total failure, and the world's love affair with American

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<v Speaker 3>culture had started to wear off.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a little bit two pro us because we

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<v Speaker 4>were in the UK, so I could pokephone at it

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<v Speaker 4>in my own way. And when I saw that US

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<v Speaker 4>SR was kind of similar, then I realized I could

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<v Speaker 4>sit back in the US. I could do a little

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<v Speaker 4>parody on Chuck's idea of being back, and I would

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<v Speaker 4>have a Russian guy who'd come from America and was

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<v Speaker 4>glad to be back in Russia, and he'd come it

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<v Speaker 4>come from Miami on BOAC British Overseasys Corporation.

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<v Speaker 2>Badman kind of Bia to the second generation of jet airliners.

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<v Speaker 3>The speaker of the song the protagonist flies back to

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<v Speaker 3>the Soviet Union with the glamour of modern jet travel,

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<v Speaker 3>like that showcased in this nineteen sixty four ad for BOAC.

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<v Speaker 2>In the economy class, the standard is so high that

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<v Speaker 2>passengers can easily persuade themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're VIPs traveling.

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<v Speaker 7>First one medium drive, vodkom Ma team mixed.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you said, So, who is this man? It's easy

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<v Speaker 3>to imagine him as a kind of suave jet setter,

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<v Speaker 3>fluent in many languages, lots of charm, maybe like a

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<v Speaker 3>James Bond type. The Prime Minister's talked to Moscow.

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<v Speaker 4>They're saying it was an accident during a routine training exercise.

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<v Speaker 7>Governments change the lasted, except he wouldn't be reporting to

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<v Speaker 7>MI I six or Damn Judy Dench rather the KGB.

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<v Speaker 3>He's flying home from Miami. He's just been to sunny Florida,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe hanging out on the beach, which gets us to

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<v Speaker 3>the bridge. If the verse is setting up a joke,

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<v Speaker 3>the punchline is the bridge when our protagonist starts listing

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<v Speaker 3>the territories of the former Soviet Union Girls Wesbians, saying

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<v Speaker 3>the harmonies of the bridge were inspired by the Beach Boys.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, when the Beatles went to India in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixty eight to meditate My Love Off, the Beach Boys

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<v Speaker 3>was there too. He is even claimed in several interviews

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<v Speaker 3>that he gave McCartney the idea for that part of

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<v Speaker 3>the song.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Beach Boys fit into this, well.

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<v Speaker 4>They were big influencers round about the time. So this

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<v Speaker 4>as I'm doing a parody of Chuck, and I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing it American, but it's a it's a Russian

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<v Speaker 4>guy having all the sentiments, So I'm using stuff from

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<v Speaker 4>the Beach Boys for the parody. So when I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine Girls really knocked me out, I'm thinking California, your

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<v Speaker 4>girls and knocking me out West beyond.

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<v Speaker 8>Say and Show.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I was very lucky, as I say, when

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<v Speaker 4>I hit this little humorous vein, it seemed to just

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<v Speaker 4>sort of flow. So I hear, I know what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's in the middle. So now I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>go into detail about the countries and the territories. So

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<v Speaker 4>we got Ukraine, and we've got Moscow, and we've got Georgia. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>if I say Georgia, I think of the old American

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<v Speaker 4>song Georgia on my Mind, which I would be thinking

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<v Speaker 4>of the Ray Charles Georgia on my.

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<v Speaker 9>Mind, Georgia, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>Ray Charms Homestead of Georgia is suddenly transformed into the

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<v Speaker 3>Soviet satellite nation of Georgia. And now the joke is complete,

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<v Speaker 3>leaving behind the sun and fun of Miami and Oh

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<v Speaker 3>sweet Georgia. We break through the wall, eager to get

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<v Speaker 3>back into the USSR on board r BOAC. Yet I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I ever understood at the time that BOAC

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<v Speaker 3>was in the first line. I'm not sure if I ever.

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<v Speaker 4>Quite understood what it was. Yeah, that does that horrifying you? No,

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<v Speaker 4>not at all. I mean I'm still finding things in

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<v Speaker 4>these lyrics, but I do sometimes think, I mean, particularly

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<v Speaker 4>about this one, how amazingly ancient all the ideas are.

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<v Speaker 4>Now there isn't a USSR anymore. There isn't a BOAC,

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<v Speaker 4>and I often wonder, like you didn't get it. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think the kids get it. I'm not sure they

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<v Speaker 4>know what USSR was. It's just it's a rock and

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<v Speaker 4>roll song. But I mean, obviously the joke is that

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<v Speaker 4>identified back in the US.

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<v Speaker 10>Back in the US, back in the USSR.

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<v Speaker 3>We one song has an upbeat, rock and roll energy.

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<v Speaker 3>The subtext of the lyrics is certainly more bittersweet. The

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<v Speaker 3>Soviet Union at the time was a totalitarian state with

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<v Speaker 3>strong censorship in place.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it was always gray. So I mean, when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm writing this song, it's very much tongue in cheek,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not really thinking there's anything for this guy to

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<v Speaker 4>go back to. You know. I remember when we first

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<v Speaker 4>went to Berlin and to look over the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wall, aware of their special responsibility is on this trouble

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<v Speaker 2>spot between the free and communist worlds. American soldiers of

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<v Speaker 2>the Berlin Garrison are combat ready and alert.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, I just knew there was like a vast,

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<v Speaker 4>great expense that was beyond this wall and that we

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<v Speaker 4>were all in.

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<v Speaker 2>Technical people in Eastern Germany continue to risk their lives

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<v Speaker 2>to escape to the free world.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone in Russia who goes back to the Beatles period

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<v Speaker 4>remembers having to smuggle records or it was all very

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<v Speaker 4>you know, little rooms where you could play and you

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want people to know. You didn't want the authorities

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<v Speaker 4>to know that you were listening to this forbidden group,

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<v Speaker 4>which really we loved the idea of that that we

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<v Speaker 4>were getting smuggled along with Levi Jeans. This was like

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<v Speaker 4>true cultural arrival.

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<v Speaker 3>A little over a decade after the fall of the

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<v Speaker 3>Soviet Union, McCartney really did arrive when he was invited

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<v Speaker 3>to give a concert on Red Square in Moscow, and

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<v Speaker 3>when he played back in the US s R. He

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<v Speaker 3>felt the whole crowd rise and join in the song.

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<v Speaker 3>During his time in Russia, this was two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 3>McCartney got to meet a young Vladimir Putin, then serving

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<v Speaker 3>his first term as president. There's actually a new clip

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<v Speaker 3>of the occasion, and you see Puttin and McCartney sitting

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<v Speaker 3>across from each other like two statesmen. And then Paul

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<v Speaker 3>McCartney pops the question.

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<v Speaker 4>You were growing up, did you listen to the Beatles?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 8>Missing, Yes, it was extremely popular. It was like a

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<v Speaker 8>velp of freedom. Her music was like an open window

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<v Speaker 8>to the world.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was bound by the authority Shires.

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<v Speaker 8>It was considered at this time a propaganda of some

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<v Speaker 8>alien ideology.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have seemed unimaginable then that twenty years later

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<v Speaker 3>the same man would order Russian troops to invade Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 3>an act of war unparalleled in Europe since the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the Second World War, cracking down on any protest,

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<v Speaker 3>arresting journalists, assassinating political enemies, jailing young women for singing

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<v Speaker 3>in churches, once again closing the window to the outside world.

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<v Speaker 3>My conversation with Paul McCartney took place before the current war,

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<v Speaker 3>but during our time together we often spoke about the

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<v Speaker 3>subversive nature of art and how throughout history music has

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<v Speaker 3>served as a beacon of freedom.

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<v Speaker 4>Art is dangerous to some people. We always thought that

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<v Speaker 4>we were on the right side that if we were dangerous,

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<v Speaker 4>we were dangerous to the Russian authorities and to us

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<v Speaker 4>that said they're not that good. It's sort of that

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<v Speaker 4>was how we felt, and I think it was true

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<v Speaker 4>to a large extent that they were trying to suppress

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<v Speaker 4>this Western influence and it goes on. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>know there was a pear when you thought, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 4>all clear enough, but it's actually suppression is back big time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. It's sort of many countries now and it's

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<v Speaker 4>sort of been given a free pass and everyone's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>stimied and sort of saying no, please, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, God knows what the politics and the

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<v Speaker 4>realities are behind it for any rate. So for me,

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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of nice to just escape into a song

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<v Speaker 4>like this.

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<v Speaker 11>Blew Me by Miami bt b u Ecto bed last

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<v Speaker 11>night on the way the paperbag was on the knee.

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<v Speaker 6>Man, I had a bad ball.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm us being away on hardly you place.

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<v Speaker 3>Gee, it's good to be back home.

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<v Speaker 11>Either doing back back.

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<v Speaker 3>Case back in the U.

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<v Speaker 3>From the nineteen sixty eight record titled The Beatles, also

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<v Speaker 3>known as the White Album. In the next episode, Paul

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<v Speaker 3>McCartney tells us about how his late mother visited him

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<v Speaker 3>in a dream and gave him some words of wisdom.

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<v Speaker 5>Seeing her beautiful, kind face was very confident. I immediately

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<v Speaker 5>felt at ease and loved.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the Beatles' last hits, Let It Be, is

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<v Speaker 3>an answer to the band's inner turmoil and to Hamlet's

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<v Speaker 3>age old question to be or not to be? McCartney

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<v Speaker 3>A Life in Lyrics is a co production between iHeartMedia

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<v Speaker 3>NPL and Pushkin Industries.