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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey everyone, it's justin Richmond. Over the last year

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Speaker 1: I've been working on an absolute dream project over here

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Speaker 1: at Pushkin, making a podcast for the one and only

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Speaker 1: Sir Paul McCartney. The show's called McCartney A Life in Lyrics.

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Speaker 1: It's available everywhere today and it's full of insightful conversations

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Speaker 1: The two of them taped years of conversations digging into

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Speaker 1: Paul's lyrics and songwriting process, and because it's hard to

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Speaker 1: separate the art from the man, a lot of his

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Speaker 1: personal life gets revealed too, like his relationship with his

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Speaker 1: family in Liverpool, the success and breakup of the Beatles,

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Speaker 1: his time with Wings and so much more. McCartney A

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Speaker 1: Life in Lyrics dropped with two episodes today, one on

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Speaker 1: eleanor Rigby and the one I'm presenting to you here

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Speaker 1: now on Back in the USSR. If you love music

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Speaker 1: and songwriting and have ever wanted the chance to be

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Speaker 1: Plus on Apple Podcasts and all twelve episodes will be

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Speaker 1: there waiting for you. In the meantime, here's Paul mldoon

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Speaker 1: and Paul McCartney on Back in the USSR for their

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Speaker 1: new podcast, McCartney A Life and Lyrics enjoy At the

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Speaker 1: height of the Cold War, with.

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Speaker 2: The closing of the border, Soviet divisions in East Germany

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Speaker 3: At a time when two halves of the world were

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Speaker 3: the Beatles released Well, a strange kind of rock and

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Speaker 1: And will you look at me?

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Speaker 3: It's happened.

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Speaker 4: I'm going up to I'm actually a performer.

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Speaker 3: That's sir Paul McCartney. He and I worked on a

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Speaker 4: Oh she I'm a songwriter.

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Speaker 3: This is McCartney, a life in lyrics. It's a masterclass,

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Speaker 3: a memoir, and an improvised journey with one of the

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Speaker 3: most iconic figures in popular music in this episode. Back

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Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine just how puzzling it would have

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Speaker 3: The way this song turns the cultural and political world

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Speaker 3: the harmonies of the bridge were inspired by the Beach Boys.

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Speaker 3: In fact, when the Beatles went to India in nineteen

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Speaker 4: I think I was very lucky, as I say, when

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Speaker 3: Ray Charms Homestead of Georgia is suddenly transformed into the

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Speaker 4: Quite understood what it was. Yeah, that does that horrifying you? No,

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Speaker 4: I'm not really thinking there's anything for this guy to

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Speaker 4: Everyone in Russia who goes back to the Beatles period

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Speaker 3: During his time in Russia, this was two thousand and three,

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Speaker 4: You were growing up, did you listen to the Beatles?

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Speaker 4: It was it was bound by the authority Shires.

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Speaker 8: It was considered at this time a propaganda of some

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Speaker 3: It would have seemed unimaginable then that twenty years later

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Speaker 3: an act of war unparalleled in Europe since the end

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Speaker 3: in churches, once again closing the window to the outside world.

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Speaker 3: My conversation with Paul McCartney took place before the current war,

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Speaker 3: but during our time together we often spoke about the

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Speaker 3: subversive nature of art and how throughout history music has

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Speaker 3: served as a beacon of freedom.

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Speaker 4: Art is dangerous to some people. We always thought that

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Speaker 4: But I mean, God knows what the politics and the

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Speaker 6: Man, I had a bad ball.

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Speaker 11: I'm us being away on hardly you place.

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Speaker 3: Gee, it's good to be back home.

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Speaker 11: Either doing back back.

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Speaker 3: From the nineteen sixty eight record titled The Beatles, also

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Speaker 3: known as the White Album. In the next episode, Paul

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Speaker 3: McCartney tells us about how his late mother visited him

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Speaker 3: in a dream and gave him some words of wisdom.

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Speaker 5: Seeing her beautiful, kind face was very confident. I immediately

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Speaker 5: felt at ease and loved.

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Speaker 3: One of the Beatles' last hits, Let It Be, is

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Speaker 3: an answer to the band's inner turmoil and to Hamlet's

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Speaker 3: age old question to be or not to be? McCartney

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Speaker 3: A Life in Lyrics is a co production between iHeartMedia

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Speaker 3: NPL and Pushkin Industries.