1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Awesome. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I'm your host with 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the Shell 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Turner back on Entertainment tonight after being away six months remotely, 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: I've been watching y'all on that small screen. Is the 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: number one entertainment news magazine or television really the world, 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: four million viewers daily and the show one is fifth 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Emmy Award this year. Kevin the Shell on the show 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow. Please, welcome 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: to money Making Conversations. My man, Kevin Fraser, my girl 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: the Shell turn what's going on? Well, you know, it's 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas, 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary Heart, 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: which just it was it was like it was something new. 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Now everybody is doing some form, especially with social media, 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: some form of entertainment. And then to see, you know, 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: let's be honest to African American leads on this show 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: that plays a significant role on how we look at television. 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: People of color talk about that. Well, I was gonna 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: say that you know each and every day. It is 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: kind of a privilege to you look across and you 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: look at that person and you're like, okay, we get it. 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: And as you can see, like we spending an ordinate 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: amount of time together even when we're not on camera. 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean my office is right next door through the wall, 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: and and Michelle is also a crazy, amazing cook, so 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: she usually brings in food. But you know it is 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: I feel so blessed and lucky to be able to 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: look over and see someone who I can identify with 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: so much, and also someone who has no problem keep 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: me in check, say here, same here, because we battle, 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: we battle behind the scenes, but it's all like to 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: lift one another up and to have each other raise 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: our games. Because make no mistake about it, Rashan, I 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: mean you do see two people of color, you know, 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: on this show, and as you said, like the leads 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: of this show, I mean, Kevin officially is the host. 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: I just kind of try to ride his coattails sometimes. 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: But but make no mistake about it, like we get 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: the weight that that is, and as blessed as we 41 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: are to be doing it, I mean there's a weight 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: to represent um because you know, like people always say, 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: if if a kid can't see it, they can't believe it. 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: So the fact that it's Kevin and myself every single 45 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: day showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks, 46 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: like what they can be and what they can aspire to. 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it means the world to me. The world Kevin, 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Kevin just gotta see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle goes 49 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: and walks to the smoothie shop herself as folks, bringing 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: him a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this 51 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: is He is the host, as you say it. You 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: said that earlier. So he's representing. She got jokes around here, 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: because we'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there. 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: You know it's serious for Sean when he says, can 55 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: I just tell you something? So if he says that 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: within this interview, you know you're about to get some 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of man's playing craziness going on there. It is there. 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: It is with the pandemic. Yeah, changing the whole landscape, 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: because nobody was ready for that. I thought maybe a month. 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm an entrepreneur, you know, I said my staff, 61 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: they we've been zooming still, and I purchased the building 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, but I'm getting the COVID safe, so I 63 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: bring my staff back in. So it's that whole mentality 64 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: how you look at it. Even though you guys wore 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: a studio show, how did it really because when you 66 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: went to the small screen trying to make it interesting, 67 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: trying to get the celebrities to come on, Kevin, how 68 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: did that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: part of that? It was a lot because you're at 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: home and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show, 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: of course with your family walking around. Like my children 72 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and 73 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: then they were just like a man, I gotta leave 74 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: the room again. And so it became a whole thing 75 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: of kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody 76 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: be quiet. But it was kind of cool because I 77 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: think with celebrities, and I mean with Michelle too, because 78 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: here's the crazy I was just about saying. Michelle was 79 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: homeless when this first happened because her home was being finished. 80 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: She just built new house, so she was homeless. I 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: was living in a hotel for the first two months, 82 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: and then finally moved into her house, but it was 83 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: a new house, so it wasn't really all set up, 84 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: so getting it all set up and everything ready was 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: a real challenge for her. I carry around in a 86 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: crazy amount of technology with me at all times, so 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: I had cameras and stuff that I couldn't wait to 88 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: use and justify using. But I think it was also 89 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: cool because you gotta look inside our lives and you 90 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: gotta look inside of the shells lives life like, oh, 91 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: you're at home, Oh you're Oh that's what's behind you. 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: Oh that's what your living room, that's what's in your office. Yeah. 93 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: I think that it actually um lets celebrities guards down 94 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: a little bit being at home. And I think that 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: we've done some of the best work, best interviews that 96 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: we've ever done during this pandemic because I felt like 97 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: it was easier for me to just be conversational, just 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: like we're all. It kind of levels the playing field 99 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: a little bit because like we all sitting in our 100 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: living room on a bad you know, WiFi connection, um 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: just all trying to make it work, and so it 102 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of levels the playing field. So you come into 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: it a little bit differently than you do when you're 104 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, going into a hotel sitting down together or 105 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing my slippers, honey, 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: and the FedEx may and might come knock on the door. 107 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: So I'm just warning you ahead of right, And that 108 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: happened lots of times, so I thought, I think that 109 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: it actually, um was a help to us. And I 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: think that it helped my interviewing style a lot, because 111 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I just became much more that that's who you are naturally. 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: You're shells are very like I'm gonna talk to you, 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna talk to you very straight. I'm not 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: cutting anything like I'm a massager. She's like a get 115 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: right to the fact. Part of that is, you know 116 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: her news that she still works for CNN, so Michelle 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: is still like cutting edge journalists, so you will see 118 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: her on CNN and entertainment tonight. But I feel like, 119 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, Kevin, Kevin is like I always tell him, there, um, 120 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in this world whose hustle is 121 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: harder than this one right here, And like when he's 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: on his game, he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host 123 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: in the business. And don't ever tell anybody I said 124 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: that moment thing. She's just saying that he's the best 125 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: entertainment host in this business. Did you live live? We know? 126 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: has been so crazy with entertainment. You have the pandemic 128 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: and then you have the civil unrest, and and that's 129 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: why this, that's why the interview was interesting for me 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: to be a part of and talk to you about, 131 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: because you guys played it out right in front of us. 132 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: You saw the pandemic hit, and then you saw the 133 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors. Broadway shutdown, 134 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot 135 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm 136 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: like you have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active, 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your 138 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic, you're 139 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: that professional guy, you know, leave your personality. So but still, 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: how did you when when the's stalk away through these 141 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: steps the pandemic hit then George Flow and where were 142 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: you guys that Emotionally? I was broke. I'm not even 143 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: gonna lie I was broken. It was it was it 144 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: was and still is tough. I mean, you know, we're 145 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: we're taught and I don't know if you felt this 146 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: way keV Um, because he is unflappable in a lot 147 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists, 148 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: and we're both journalists to be right down the middle. 149 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to be you want to 150 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: appear unbiased, you want to just give people facts. But 151 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: when a situation like what happened this summer with the 152 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George, I'm 153 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder 154 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that, in 155 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: my are very you know, the rise up again with 156 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, so many things. Um, if we acted like 157 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars. 158 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: You know. We are black folks first and foremost. And 159 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism 160 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: and then and and and inequality also in the workplace. 161 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: That it gave me um an opportunity to have a 162 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken 163 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: out about things. So for me, I did a lot 164 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with 165 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning 166 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: of things. I was doing an interview about her decision 167 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: to step up and start protesting and start really using 168 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: her voice in her platform. And I broke down crying 169 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of the interview. And it just because 170 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't you know, it was I couldn't do it 171 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: anymore because I couldn't keep it together. And here's what 172 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: you have to understand about the whole situation. Months before that, 173 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: a few months before that, Michelle went to do an 174 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: interview UM with Oprah, Yeah, Michael Jordan and Michael B. 175 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Jordan's the Netflix building and as she came out, UM, 176 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: she had this beautiful convertible and these guys cut her off, 177 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: and you know, she honked at him, and when they 178 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: came to stop, like one of the guys got out wow, 179 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: called her and word spit on her and then drove off. 180 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: And so tensions were already high here because when she 181 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: came back, he was like, let's go find these You know, 182 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: your first reaction is like, well, let's go what happened? 183 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: I was like, where are you? Let's go find these 184 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: dudes and let's go get them, you know, because that's 185 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: your natural reaction. But then you know you have to 186 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: calm down. But what settles in on you is the 187 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: heaviness of what happened and what occurred because you have 188 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: someone who is at the highest point of her career, 189 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: someone who is a professional, who is beautiful, who has 190 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: done all these things and all these accomplishments, and you 191 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: still can't escape the fact that you get into your car, 192 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: you're a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down 193 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: and spits on you and calls you to m work 194 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: and didn't try and you know, it reduces you to 195 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: a certain place that you never want to think it can, 196 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: but it does. And so like through that, I mean, 197 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and 198 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful 199 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: and we're both blessed for it. But we also do 200 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the 201 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: scenes of really trying to make a difference in our 202 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: little point, you know, corner of the world, to make 203 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like, 204 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: the coverage that we do, the content that you see 205 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: on TV. Those are you know, things that we work 206 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know, 207 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: it's on and people don't see that. A lot of 208 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: times I had some people saying to me, well, what 209 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all, 210 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: don't ever question please please, no I'm blating rain. They're good, 211 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: but you know, respect I said that to Kevin today. 212 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: I want my respect. It was but um, but no. 213 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Like so it's still every day. You know, we're Shawn. 214 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: It's a it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's 215 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: a battle that both of us and talking to each other, 216 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: say we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it. 217 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here, 218 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: so we kind of all take direction for him. And 219 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he 220 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: just did you know this is we talk each other 221 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: off the ledge. So that's good. That's good, I will 222 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: tell you. Because of the heaviness of what had happened before, 223 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: when this happened, when the George Bloy thing happened, we 224 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: were just like, who this is crazy, because it's just 225 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: it was so much and we were at home and 226 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: so we were separated, so we didn't have each other 227 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: to kind of sit down and talk to each other. 228 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: And my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where 229 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: she's from. That was, you know, there's that other thing. 230 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: But asked attorney, who is like the wocust woman on 231 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: the planet, so I know. Kevin was like, it's forty 232 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: years for your anniversary coming up. Um Emmy Award winning 233 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: couple here that I'm talking to. What Emmy Award winning 234 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: over here? I'm taking my flowers. Okay, you got me 235 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: two times Image Award two times, two times. I know it, 236 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: I know it, I know it. You know the beauty 237 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: of Like I said earlier, I started the show Mary 238 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going. And then then 239 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started dropping in periodically, 240 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, and then it became a regular. I didn't 241 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: know he was a regular kind of regular, but I 242 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: saw him a lot. And then I guess I gotta 243 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: tell you guys about anent thainment that is so important, 244 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: that iconic music when it starts that you know, you know, 245 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: and Kevin, I gotta tell you, man a lot of times, 246 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: you just being a representative of us is so just 247 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me, and 248 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: then the share when you came on for Entertainment to 249 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: night that allowed me to see two of you guys 250 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: attractive vote for Articulate, and still the show's ratings maintained 251 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: stature still as a global presence. I just want to 252 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: let you know that just keep doing your job, because 253 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: your job enables me to do my job, and that 254 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: is all we want to do. Is I've been when 255 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: the George Floyd thing happened, A lot of my white 256 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: friends called me and they said, is it really like that? 257 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: I said yeah. I always said I had never heard 258 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: from so many of my white friends. You know what 259 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's me. Is it really like that? 260 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I said yeah. It said, how do you do it? 261 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I said, that's just part of the process, you know, 262 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: I said, you you get up, you deal with it. 263 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not, 264 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: I said, but that's part of life. And when I 265 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: see the black lives matters and I see white people 266 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: walking that and that's important to me. And that's important 267 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: when I see you guys interviewing and doing your job 268 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and interviewing white people. That's important to me. This is 269 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: not BT. I'm seeing you guys on this is not 270 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: this is not TV one, you guys on the global 271 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: presence and when you're distributing in information and then I 272 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: see the Emmys this year being played out and seeing 273 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: all these African American talents being talk about that reaction 274 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: to the Emmys and the way it was done. It 275 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: was produced by my man O, Reginald Hudling. You know 276 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: what was interesting about it is your your home and 277 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual, and 278 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: so we're like, I don't know, and so you're sitting 279 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: there and you're looking. We had a zoom with rebody 280 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: that we work with, and we're looking at what we want. 281 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: I was looking at all the people, and so as 282 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: you look at all the people, you think about their families, 283 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: their kids, their houses, what they are doing and and 284 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: what it takes for them just to survive, and how 285 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: important this moment is because this is something for everybody. 286 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: So when we want our Emmy, it was like it 287 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: was incredible because I felt so proud for those people, 288 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: those people that never you never see. I thought it 289 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: was an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to, 290 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, give us our emmy. So that was that 291 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: was really really great. But John, I think you you 292 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: were also talking about and this is important. This is 293 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: These are conversations that Kevin and I have often about 294 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: having to be the most well rounded people in the building. Um, 295 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: we have to be you know, there's the saying you 296 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good. 297 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: But we have to be so well rounded because you 298 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: can't just be focused on quote unquote the black celebrities 299 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: or the black people or whatever like we do, and 300 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: you have to build relationships with everybody, which can be tough. 301 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me, because 302 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: people don't know all the times I'm I'm as country 303 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: as country can be. Like I grew up on are 304 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So? 305 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all 306 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: don't understand like she could probably drive a tractor, drive 307 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: her I'm driving a tractor knows country music. So it 308 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: always cracks me up when you walk down on the 309 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: set and she'll play some old school country music on 310 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: Its just and it catches people by surprise. I love 311 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: watching people's reaction when she starts singing old school country 312 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: music and they're like, you know, st now by the way, 313 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: he stopped loving her today. It's one of the best 314 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: songs ever. It's so beautiful. I wish some man would 315 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: love me till dad died like that child. I listen 316 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: to sad sad. But the thing is, it's like, um, 317 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: it just goes to show you. And I think that 318 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: we've been a good representation of that because Kevin's like 319 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: this techy, weirdo guy. You know, I'm this black girl 320 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: who loves country music, who like you know, and and 321 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: and hair bands like from the eighties. I love bon Jovi, 322 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I love you know, I 323 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: just love it all. But I think that we're a 324 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: good representation of how black folks are, not a mono 325 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: with you know what I'm saying, and how um. I 326 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: think that we've gone a long way to teach the 327 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: people here that you can't judge a book by its cover, 328 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: because for a lot of times you did, like oh, 329 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: which sometimes feel like my black people go into the 330 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: black stories or whatever. But now there's much more of 331 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: a broad thinking because it's like, oh, Michelle has a 332 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: relationship with Tricia Yearwood because that's what she likes. Or 333 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, Kevin Frasier Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl. Like 334 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So those things, I think 335 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: you go a long way, um to changing stereotypes and 336 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and just showing people that 337 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: we can do all things and we can be all things. 338 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: And um, it's just the same as if I was 339 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: a blondhaired white woman. I mean, people can take to 340 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: me the same way, so and and and as advice 341 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: because I want people to hear what she's saying. We 342 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: can do insecure. I can go see Kevin Hart. You 343 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: just sat with Kevin Hart, so that The Crown is 344 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: actually my favorite show. But you can also The Crown, 345 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so you can't you 346 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: can't come up in here thinking, well, I'm gonna do 347 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and so you 348 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: have to be wellering. And that's why I wanted to say, 349 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: that's why it was important that you heard me when 350 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: I said I'm not watching b E T. I'm not 351 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: watching TV on you. I'm watching iconic individuals who are 352 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's the key. Relatable. 353 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: But we look at this the industry. You know, we 354 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie theaters 355 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I was 356 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: interview to be from last Gate. They're nervous. They don't 357 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: know if the movies are going to be ready and 358 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground. 359 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry 360 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: has showing us he can shoot a movie. He can 361 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: shoot twenty five episodes in two weeks. Man on the planet, 362 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: stop seeing on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest man 363 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: on the plane. You know. It's um, I'm not gonna 364 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: like like what I missed most. I'm a movie head. 365 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: I missed going to the movies more than anything like 366 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: that was my I would go Saturday morning the very 367 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: first movie at being there by myself just is the 368 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen. 369 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest, 370 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I 371 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but 372 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are 373 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I 374 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: think that this time for movie makers is going to 375 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand, 376 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: they get cut of what they're doing, so you will 377 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: see these people are making movies and stuff like that. 378 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them 379 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios 380 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's 381 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million 382 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith, 383 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and 384 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: now you can make a movie like, for instance, the 385 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: movie that he's making right now about uh god, I 386 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a movie 387 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: right now. They just left to make a movie now 388 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money for 389 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: an insane amount of money, So you're taking out the 390 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: the kind of equation where you have to hope people 391 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: go to the movies. These people are paying a lot 392 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: of money upfront, or you can make your money on 393 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: video demand and people will sit at home. I watched Annabellum, 394 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: the second hit video, the Man. It probably would have 395 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: taken me a week or two to get there. Yeah. 396 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about it is that what Netflix has 397 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: done for me as far as black product, is that 398 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: it premieres internationally. You know, when it premieres on Netflix, 399 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in something amazing 400 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: because you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black 401 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: doesn't sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling 402 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: like crazy. They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler 403 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: Perry in January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views, 404 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: shocked the world. And then we went into the Pandemic 405 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: and it opened up and the Five Bloods and all 406 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: these Jamie Fox movie they just came out. Was incredible. Say, 407 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: Delroy Lindo handed himself the oscar. Come on, come on, 408 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: where he's cutting down the banana leaves. He handed himself 409 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: the oscar. And if he does not get it, y'all 410 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: about to see me out here protestingated. He gotta get nominated. 411 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: He gotta get nominated. I told dear Roy, I said, 412 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: he's got nominated. He will be nominated. I mean, he 413 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: gotta get dominated. On the same page with Dear Orlando. 414 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: He should get an Oscar nomination. He should win an 415 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: Oscar for that, solely based on that one scene. They 416 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: ripped him off from Malcolm X. He never got his 417 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: due with Malcolm. They owe him one from Malcolm X. 418 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: But this is not even a makeup because he's brilliant 419 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: this movie. But I'm saying, well, I get you, I 420 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: get you. But he this isn't a makeup. This isn't 421 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: like the Denzel makeup because he should have won the 422 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't a makeup. 423 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Del Rod. There has not been a better performance this 424 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: year by a male in a movie, yes, in the movie, right, okay, okay, 425 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: in a movie than him in The Five Bloods. What 426 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: interesting thing about it is that mulan it went straight 427 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: to Disney Business, and I told us how much money 428 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: they've made so far, at least I've been looking. They've 429 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: not told anybody how many millions they made, charging people 430 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: thirty dollars. It's been rumored that if they get ten 431 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: percent of there up there um eighty million subscribers, then 432 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: they can considerate go anywhere from three hundred million dollars up. 433 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: Like you said, Kevin, that's profit. Oh they made they 434 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: made the money. But yeah, everybody wash it on the 435 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: first week it finally opened in China, which is their 436 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: market that they needed to open in. Right, Ulan is 437 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: showing you that, like if you keep it inside your 438 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: streaming service and it makes it worth it now for 439 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: these streaming services to spend that kind of money. They 440 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: looked at and they said, oh, so we can spend 441 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and people 442 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon, 443 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well, 444 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with 445 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going 446 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will 447 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only 448 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are 449 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: there is a large community, a large part of the 450 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: community who isn't who doesn't have access to the internet 451 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters 452 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: to see that movie. But I will say this that 453 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it 454 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown 455 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: our whole life, and then all of a sudden you 456 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: watch the Big Chill and and there everybody's like, everybody's like, 457 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, we love we need some Motown music 458 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing 459 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening 460 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: to all my life. So I think that it will 461 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: once again bring that music that you love so much, 462 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: give the kids something to watch, and people will watch 463 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: it over and over again. If you have a young 464 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: kid as a parent, you already own Disney Plus because 465 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: you're like, I can't have you sitting TV enough right now. 466 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: I think it'll go now. Michelle, you said that your 467 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now. In season four, 468 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: I got a sneak peek. My favorite show is Yellowstone. Okay, okay, 469 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: you know you know I'll be telling telling my black friends. 470 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: Come on board, Come on board. This is the show. 471 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: Yellowstone is like a Western Kevin Costner is brilliant, the 472 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: whole cast is crazy. The season finale was a monster. 473 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait till next summer. I'm mad. I don't 474 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: get us. I don't get a sneak preview. And Kevin, 475 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner, even though he 476 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: is a superstar, I think he's underrated. I don't think 477 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: people give him the love he deserves. I agree with you. 478 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: Underrated And I series is it's it's incredible to see. 479 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: That's what I love streaming services because it provides those 480 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: unique level of programming that we would normally get. And 481 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: that is a jewel, that is a gym. Is that 482 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: sitting out there to wait? So any other shows before 483 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: we wrap that up? You feel a flying under the 484 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: radar that people need to know about that. You guys, 485 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: let me let me just say this. Let me just 486 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: say it's okay. Hey. My problem is reality television and 487 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I like trashy reality fiancee other way, I don't do that. 488 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't do those. NY is crazy is crazy? Oh 489 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: my god, it's a great show on the planet. I 490 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: can't get it. I mean, I can sit down and 491 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: they'll get me caught in a loop and then I 492 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: host Married at First Sight all that because I love that, 493 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't. I just it's the whole experiment 494 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: of it all. I can't don't know, but I think 495 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: that if if I had to say a scripted series 496 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: that I love the most, it's Insecure, because that's so 497 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius. 498 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: She's a genius, and it's just yeah, she does and 499 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: what she does though, it just it doesn't me off 500 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: because she knows just how much to give us. And 501 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: then she taketh away and was sitting here like killing me, 502 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: killing me. This season was brilliant, like yes, I mean 503 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe one a 504 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: for me right now. I mean, and because the season 505 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: of the Crown is Charles and Diana and all that drama, 506 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: just I can't I can't wait for that. I'm I'm 507 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: excited about it early and I can't wait for the Crown. 508 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: It's just it's so amazing. Um. There was a show 509 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: ex on Hulu did show Mrs America that you can 510 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: go find on streaming that Banana is Good. Banana is good, 511 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: and it's all about the women's liberation movement and all 512 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: the power players within that movement. It, I mean, it 513 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: blew me away and I came to the party late. 514 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: Um I came to Watchman late, but I forgot about 515 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: Shirley Chisholm. That's what I mean. People forgot about Shirley 516 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina Regina is can we say, yeah, 517 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing my team. So I apologize. But I want 518 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: to say this, And the other thing that I have 519 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: been telling everybody to watch is go back and watch Reconstruction. Um, 520 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: it is a PBS Yes I did. And you need 521 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: to understand what happened in the United States because as 522 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: we look at this moment right now, a lot of 523 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: people don't understand that there was an opportunity to make 524 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: this right and that we as a nation said no 525 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: and instead went down a very different in course pass 526 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: Jim Crow in segregation, instead of going down a course 527 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: where we could have shared power. And there was shared 528 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: power for a couple of years and then everything went away. 529 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: So I think everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they 530 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: can understand what they took from people. And then you 531 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: can watch that PBS dormentary is. I just recently watched it, 532 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: like a couple of months ago. It's so, so very good. 533 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh, 534 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: she can let me just say this on I want 535 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: to say this right now that he is offered to 536 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: give me money to cook for him everything I have 537 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: her cook I just said, Michelle, where you cook every 538 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: day and bring in the food and I'll just eat it. 539 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: Here her gumbo and her at to fe is off 540 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: the chain. She can make keto healthy candy and desserts. 541 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what if. Here's what I was gonna say. 542 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, is the best show on television? Well, 543 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: it's on streaming right now. But is the Great British Bakeoff? 544 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: It's on Netflix and it is the best show on television. 545 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: Chef's Table, Yes, incredible. Yeah, that Rodney Scott interview and 546 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: Tutsie interview off the chain? Out Can I go? Can 547 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: I go? Find? I just want to sit at Tutsie's 548 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: table and you and like, please please please eight team. 549 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: It's been thirty minutes and we're still talking minutes. It's 550 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: been thirty minutes, and uh, the great part about this 551 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: whole relationship. We could continue talking, but I I I 552 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: can't let you go. Ra Sean. It's always a pleasure. 553 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, I know what you and Steve 554 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: and A are doing. Y'all doing big things behind the scenes. Coming, 555 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: It's just coming. It's coming, and I'm going to recognize 556 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: that a lot of people to recognize game. I know 557 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: it's I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know 558 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: what you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well, you know, 559 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: just aside, No, man, my life is in such an 560 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: amazing place, and uh, I've just purchased a building in 561 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: Atlanta and just uh you know my staff and just 562 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: be talking to you guys and just talk about life 563 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: and from a black perspective on a major environment like 564 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: entertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you 565 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: when I sincerely say this, I'm proud of you guys, 566 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: and you guys make a huge Black America. And I 567 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I see 568 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: why because, like you, you guys have a virtatial palette 569 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: of how you receive information, how you live your life. 570 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: So when I see you talking to different people, it's 571 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: not even out of the norm because you guys consume information, 572 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone, 573 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: you know about that? Then I know about the chef table. 574 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: You know about that. I've not bring up brought up 575 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: anything you didn't know about it. I tell everybody though, 576 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I treat entertainment 577 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: news like a beat. It doesn't matter if we're talking 578 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: about you know, um Azerbaijan, if we're talking about um, 579 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: you know Kim Kardashian, if we're talking whatever, whatever it is, 580 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: like that is your beat. So I treated like politics, sports, 581 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: whatever like you get up every day. I read all 582 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: of the trade. Understand I consume all the information. You 583 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: treat it like a beat. I will walk in and 584 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: she'll break some stuff down to me, and I'll be 585 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: like what I mean, like break it down? Well, I'm 586 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: a nut like that too. And so you guys have 587 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: not I and I interview a lot of people, and 588 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: so you guys are what you do, your experts at 589 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: what you do, beautiful people. And guess what my goal 590 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night. Come 591 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: on all this stuff we're about to drop in the 592 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: fourth course, having stuff happening with them, the game changing. 593 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: I know about it, I know about it. You guys 594 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: be safe. Thank you for coming on, Love, go for 595 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: you guys, and keep representing APP you all right, I 596 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: can't wait to see what y'all do.