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Speaker 1: I Brand Whitstye with Logan Paulsen on this edition of

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Speaker 1: The Booth Review. You will learn about the sacred new

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Speaker 1: special pine tree in Austin Cyber's backyard.

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Speaker 2: And we talk about the dynamic duo of Austin Eckler

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Speaker 2: and Brian Robinson and.

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Speaker 1: Jaydon Daniel's protecting the ball, no turnovers, really managing the

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Speaker 1: game well.

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Speaker 2: And we talked you saw, we saw seesaw.

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Speaker 1: On this edition of The Booth Review. Welcome into the

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Speaker 1: first victory edition of the Booth Review podcast. I'm Brand

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Speaker 1: why's that alongside Logan Paulsen who joined me up in

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Speaker 1: the Booth yesterday for the first time. Unfortunately London Fletcher

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Speaker 1: as a personal matter that he was dealing with. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with us soon. It was great having

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Speaker 1: you in the booth yesterday and get our first win

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Speaker 1: of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great being up there. Man. You guys

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Speaker 2: do such a great job. And it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: bumber Fletchers in there because I learned something every time

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Speaker 2: he talks. But uh, you know, good first opportunity for

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Speaker 2: me and obviously easy to call a game when it's

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Speaker 2: a win, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the weirdest game ever too. Yeah, one

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Speaker 1: team scores three touchdowns, the other kick seven field goals.

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Speaker 1: A team with the seven field goals wins because the

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Speaker 1: other team didn't have their kicker to kick field goals

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Speaker 1: when they needed it most at the end of a game.

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Speaker 1: It was bizarre, really.

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Speaker 2: It was bizarre. But I mean you see stuff like

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Speaker 2: that happen. I mean you've called enough games and like.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because since World War Two, Washington's won five

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Speaker 2: And you've seen teams that have had have lost their

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Speaker 2: go like, oh, here's the safety, the third string safety,

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Speaker 2: let's get him in there, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And so obviously this is some adversity that the Giants

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Speaker 2: didn't manage very well. Apparently he pulled his groin earlier

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Speaker 2: Like that's the way you could have mitigated some of that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a decision that they made schematically from an

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Speaker 2: but I love for us obviously. And again, like it's

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Speaker 2: like you said, kicked a lot of field goals, but

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Speaker 2: it's one of those things that's like, you find a

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Speaker 2: way to win. Man, Like, what did dan Quinn say

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Speaker 2: in the in the post game when we talked to him,

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Speaker 2: he was like, it's a this is like kind of

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Speaker 2: how the division is and you just got to find

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Speaker 1: You lived this. I mean, I think we said this

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Speaker 1: dan Quinto and he came down. Nothing's easy in this league.

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Speaker 1: It really isn't. And I know people like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: Giants lost to the Vikings at home and it was

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Speaker 1: Like none of these games are easy. They never are.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is, like everyone was like, uh,

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Speaker 2: the Giants are terrible. The fans all think that, but

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Speaker 2: like that's an NFL team. That's an NFL team with

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Speaker 2: I love the adjustment. We'll talk about this more as

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Speaker 2: Brian Daball made from week one to kind of account

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Speaker 2: the thing is every week you're going to get a

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Speaker 2: But then you saw and felt.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun you bring up like Pregabe, like we

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Speaker 2: Easily. Yeah no, And I think again, those are the

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Speaker 1: You're in the locker room and after the game, a wins,

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Speaker 1: A wins, a win, Like, do you do you think about, like, boy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously you think about that sometimes, But like I think,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like there was a I forget we played

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Speaker 2: You got to find a way to get it done.

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Speaker 2: So again, like fans can say whatever they want, man,

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Speaker 2: thought they showed resiliency, Like, how many times have you

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Speaker 2: for forever, lose games like this to the Giants frankly right,

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Speaker 2: And so they stuck with it. They didn't lose their cool,

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Speaker 2: they took the points when they got them, and again,

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Speaker 2: one thousand percent. I'm not saying that's not an issue,

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Speaker 1: It's been really bizarre results against the Giants, who they

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Speaker 2: It has been weird. And again I just go back,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't care who it is, who's out there,

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Speaker 2: of the Washington Commanders, Jame of the Booth, and you

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Speaker 2: remember all these like little foibles. But most fanszon't. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we lost the Giants or giants like win the game.

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Speaker 1: In a couple of weeks when they have played Cincinnati Arizona,

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Speaker 1: no one's gonna remember how they did this. Only I

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Speaker 1: that's what matters here. And I agree, they won a

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Speaker 1: It really doesn't matter how they got to it, even

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also think it's just like it's it

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Speaker 2: It can lead to saying, hey, we're going to Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to focus too much on the kicker,

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Speaker 1: but obviously had a great day for them seven for seven.

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Speaker 2: We should focus on no man, right, Like we said.

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Speaker 1: He's been here a week. He's a ninety plus year

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Speaker 1: old franchise. He broke a franchise record after being here

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Speaker 1: for them, and obviously for him because he's a journeyman

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the other thing is that he

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Speaker 2: still might not be the right fit long term, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's great that he comes in.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to enjoy today.

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Speaker 2: But right, but what I'm saying, I think fans looking

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Speaker 2: maybe they want to go a different direction. But it's

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Speaker 2: great that a guy who's been on multiple teams comes in,

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Speaker 2: sees the opportunity and makes seven field goals, makes a

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Speaker 2: found that opportunity. And again, hopefully it works out and

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Speaker 1: Probably like, I don't live anywhere near here. You're going

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Speaker 1: We is gonna be like some kind of like sabbatical

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Speaker 1: It's a very special pine tree. Now, yeah to the

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Speaker 2: Yeah seriously, but that's a pine tree. Awesome. Feel really

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's turned Tressway into a holding savant.

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Speaker 2: He was kind of described it that say, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously one of the big deals. And if we

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Speaker 1: And on the penalties, it was three different players that

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Speaker 2: Now I don't have to go back and watch it,

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Speaker 1: and I think it gets lost in everybody's reaction to everything,

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Speaker 1: which is every single person that was playing yesterday was

435
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Speaker 1: doing their second game together ever, right, and one of

436
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,280
Speaker 1: those people was a rookie quarterback and this offensive coordinator

437
00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,400
Speaker 1: who I know as a long run as a head

438
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Speaker 1: coach in the NFL, was in college last year and

439
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,000
Speaker 1: came back and is installing this new offense. Like everybody

440
00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,439
Speaker 1: needs to understand that it's baked in, that there's going

441
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Speaker 1: to be ups and downs. And I don't really totally

442
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,200
Speaker 1: get what the overreaction to any of it is because largely,

443
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Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this because we're sitting here,

444
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,800
Speaker 1: I think largely, if you're not happy with what you've

445
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Speaker 1: seen in the first couple of weeks with the offense,

446
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're watching, honestly.

447
00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,879
Speaker 2: And again, like there's I think people this is this

448
00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,080
Speaker 2: has been my experiences. People who have criticisms of the

449
00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders specifically in this setting, they're not watching a

450
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Speaker 2: lot of other football around the NFL because a lot

451
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Speaker 2: of the issues that this team's experiencing other teams are experiencing, right,

452
00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,719
Speaker 2: like they're I think the Indianapolis Colts are a great example,

453
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,880
Speaker 2: right Obviously, Anthony Anthony Richardson is that from y Yeah,

454
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,879
Speaker 2: obviously very dynamic, explosive down the field, but down to

455
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,720
Speaker 2: down consistency is lacking, right, So you're going to see

456
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Speaker 2: some offensive inefficiencies with a young player.

457
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Speaker 1: Watch Caleb Williams. The first two weeks of his career,

458
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Speaker 1: I don't believe is like any indictment of what his

459
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Speaker 1: career is going to be. But you're not going to

460
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Speaker 1: like what you see from a completion percentage, from some

461
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Speaker 1: of the decision making, the sacks that he's taken on

462
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Speaker 1: these plays. You wouldn't like that if you saw that.

463
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Speaker 2: It's different, it's a different game. And so I do

464
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Speaker 2: think that when I look at Jade Daniels specifically compared

465
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Speaker 2: to you know, Anthony Richardson, who's the youngest player in

466
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Speaker 2: the NFL, Caleb Williams, and you know, don't talk, don't

467
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,720
Speaker 2: get me started on BONNICKX, Like, holy cow, that guy's

468
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,359
Speaker 2: having a rough outing here over his first two games.

469
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Speaker 2: Is I see a poise and I see a professionalism

470
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,040
Speaker 2: and the moment's not too big for him, right and so,

471
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Speaker 2: and the other thing is the improvement from last week

472
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Speaker 2: to this week. So last week, you know, we did

473
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Speaker 2: a breakdown on our show, the Command Center Show with

474
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Speaker 2: the film, and we talked through like he scrambled a

475
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Speaker 2: bunch and there were times where I thought he could

476
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Speaker 2: have thrown the ball. And I think when you talk

477
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Speaker 2: to the coach, you're like, oh, he missed some opportunities.

478
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Speaker 2: And this week I felt like he was a little

479
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,400
Speaker 2: bit more patient in the pocket, a little bit more

480
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Speaker 2: patient on his reads, and he was really being more

481
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Speaker 2: aggressive putting the football in a position where the receiver

482
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Speaker 2: can make a play. Now, was it perfect, No, not

483
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 2: by all mile, but was it better significantly? And so

484
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Speaker 2: I think if he again, here's a guy that is

485
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Speaker 2: like renowned for his work ethic and his professionalism, and

486
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Speaker 2: I expect that kind of improvement every single week. And

487
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Speaker 2: if we can get that, I mean he's going to

488
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Speaker 2: be a heck of a football player. And for a

489
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Speaker 2: franchise that has had a hard time finding a quarterback,

490
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Speaker 2: to me, that's you couldn't ask for anything more. A

491
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Speaker 2: guy that physically has the tools, seems to have the

492
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Speaker 2: composure and the work ethic to get better. Like irrespective

493
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 2: of how effective the offense has been, the fact that

494
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 2: he's shown those flashes to me, it's like, this season,

495
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Speaker 2: no matter what happens, is going to be a win

496
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Speaker 2: if that trajectory continues to improve. Now, it's not going

497
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Speaker 2: to be a linear progression, right of course, There's going

498
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Speaker 2: to be dips and you know, valleys and peaks like

499
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Speaker 2: with anything, but as long as it's generally trending in

500
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Speaker 2: the right direction. I mean, holy, I mean, I mean, brim,

501
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Speaker 2: you've been a fan, like probably longer than I've been alive.

502
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Speaker 2: But like, no, that's not a dig I didn't mean

503
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Speaker 2: that in a bad way.

504
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Speaker 1: But like, but how how were my age logan? It's fine?

505
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Speaker 2: How great would that be? Though? You know what I mean?

506
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Speaker 2: If this is this is the guy.

507
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Speaker 1: Like, this is why I don't want to get too

508
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Speaker 1: far ahead of myself. I've seen this long, right, yeah, yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: a specific case, but I think it's good.

510
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Speaker 2: It's good to be tempered, right, It's good to be tempered.

511
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 2: But at least, like he's answered the off season stuff

512
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 2: has been good. The first couple of games have been good,

513
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Speaker 2: and he just seems to have the right process, and

514
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Speaker 2: so I'm optimistic. Right, at least you could say that

515
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Speaker 2: probably this is.

516
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Speaker 1: The first time that they've drafted somebody in the course

517
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Speaker 1: of my lifetime watching covering, being around watching every snap

518
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Speaker 1: that this team is you know, liked. I mean, I

519
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland. I went to RFK

520
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: Stadium as a child, so I had tickets in the

521
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties as a kid going to all their games.

522
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Speaker 1: It was religion. It's religion to me, I.

523
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Speaker 2: Know, and you have like a photographic memory because you

524
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Speaker 2: remember that well, I mean in real plays and I'm like,

525
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Speaker 2: what I.

526
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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, but even you know what, like I don't

527
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: I wear the nerddom. They they're religion and family to me. Really,

528
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Speaker 1: He's what this team has been to me my whole life.

529
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: But we have not had a franchise quarterback in forever,

530
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Speaker 1: and we've had good examples of ones like I'll go

531
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Speaker 1: back to in my lifetime. Joe. Thisman was that really,

532
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately his career was cut short because of an

533
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Speaker 1: injury that occurred to him. In the interim, they were

534
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Speaker 1: able to win without having you know, quote unquote franchise quarterbacks.

535
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Speaker 1: Like people forget Doug Williams. They almost traded him before

536
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: the year before the Super Bowl. He shared time with

537
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Speaker 1: Jay Schrader in the season that they won the Super Bowl,

538
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Speaker 1: and then he ended up having this magical run in

539
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Speaker 1: an MVP Super Bowl victory. Mark Rippen was on an

540
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Speaker 1: incredible team. I liken this to Brock Berdy with the

541
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Speaker 1: forty nine ers where you won. They were outrageously incredible,

542
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Speaker 1: maybe the best team ever, nineteen ninety one they had

543
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Speaker 1: more sacks than anybody and gave up fewer sacks than

544
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Speaker 1: anybody who was a crazy, crazy season that they had.

545
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Speaker 1: But in the interim of all that, we've had these

546
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Speaker 1: moments where they acquired Brad Johnson. That was a mistake

547
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Speaker 1: to let him go prematurely than what they did the

548
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Speaker 1: hope of Jason Campbell or specifically RG three, and I

549
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Speaker 1: think RG three falls of this category because of his abilities,

550
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: that the high ceiling of what he may be able

551
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Speaker 1: to do, and so I think, and then he came

552
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: out of the gate, not unlike Jayden. It was like whoa.

553
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: It was so good, so fast that everybody thought, you know,

554
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: this is it. We're finally there and we all know

555
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: the story that went from there. But even when Dowayne

556
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: was drafted, everyone paused and said, we think he needs time.

557
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: He'll be good. Even the coaching staff was saying, give

558
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Speaker 1: us some time with him. That's what's different about this.

559
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: I think we see what the high level capacity is.

560
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: His athleticism's off the charts, like that's obvious. The work

561
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: ethic was something we were told about. We're seeing in practice.

562
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Speaker 1: I think you're seeing more because you're inside the building

563
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: more than I am, but I think you're seeing that

564
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: literally in practice. Cool, calm, collected, And I've been saying

565
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Speaker 1: this for months, and that's why I didn't want to

566
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Speaker 1: get ahead of myself. I have not seen this guy

567
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: look like a rookie yet. There is not a day

568
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Speaker 1: that I've gone out to practice and I went, oh, well,

569
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Speaker 1: that's not good. Go well if they actually do that

570
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: in a game, And the fast learning part of it

571
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: is the other thing. Like in week one, there was

572
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: literally no intermediate passing game, and I think some of

573
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Speaker 1: that had to do with he was just vacating pockets

574
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: immediately and making these choices Instinctually. I liked what he

575
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: was doing, but obviously you're not gonna win like that

576
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: long term, so things are gonna change. What happens a

577
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: week later, Like the intermediate passing game is literally there,

578
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: and I know it's like two different defenses and like

579
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: everything's all very different. But Noah Brown, who's been here

580
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: two weeks, is catching a key clutch moment at the

581
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: end of a game over the middle of the field.

582
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz is being found and incorporated in the offense.

583
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Speaker 1: They had an incredible called Austin Eckler in the third

584
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: or fourth quarter where they had the rollout throwback. All

585
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: of these things are just incredible markers of this guy

586
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: is ahead of the curve. He doesn't feel like a rookie.

587
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: And if this is the starting point, I'm again trying

588
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: to hold back the enthusiasm, but it feels like it's

589
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: going in a direction that this franchise has not seen

590
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: at that position in a very long time.

591
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very well said. It's it's And I think

592
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: the other thing is you got a staff here that

593
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: understand it seemingly understands, like with Cliff, like for all

594
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Speaker 2: of the kind of the criticism about the simplicity of

595
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 2: the offense, Like I think you see a guy who

596
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: understands how to insulate a quarterback, which is something that

597
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: we were very critical of eb last year, right, And

598
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: this is a guy who understands how to like get

599
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: them confident, bring them along, which I love. I love

600
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: to see that, love to see that that kind of

601
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: play calling, and I love to see how selective he

602
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: is about when to call shots down the field, how

603
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: the protections are. Like, He's done a lot of really

604
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: cool stuff over the first couple of weeks and so

605
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: supplement that with Jaden's own development, with what Dan's done

606
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: and how they've talked about him, how they brought him along. Yes,

607
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: it just seems like everybody's on this guy's team and

608
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: he's and he's warranted that, which is cool. So again,

609
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: like back to the game, like again the improvement, all

610
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: those things very positive and very encouraged by the whole thing.

611
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's just talk about his play a

612
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: little bit again. And you know, he is vacating out

613
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: of the pocket, right, some of it is under pressure.

614
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: I think it was a little it felt accelerated to

615
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: me in the first game against Tampa Bay that there

616
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: were a couple where you went, I gotta go and

617
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: maybe there and you look back and you go, had

618
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: you just hung in there just a little bit longer,

619
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Speaker 1: maybe there's a play to be made. Still, at the

620
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: same time, instinctually, I love what he happens. He never

621
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Speaker 1: puts the ball in harm's way. They don't have a turnover,

622
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: they've only almost had one when he fumbled the ball

623
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Speaker 1: against Tampa. There was never a point in time in

624
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Speaker 1: this Giants game where I felt like the ball was

625
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: put in danger. Ever by him. So I love all

626
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: of that. But at the same time, you know, what

627
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Speaker 1: do you think about what you've seen the first two weeks,

628
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: and maybe specifically against the Giants where he is running,

629
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Speaker 1: I think a little bit more than they anticipate. How

630
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: do you feel like he's he's working inside the pocket

631
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and in the passing game.

632
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: I think there's like the one play I was thinking about.

633
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: I think it was his first scramble on the first drive.

634
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: It was a third and nine, third and ten maybe,

635
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: and Cliff calls this play action. They're not a play

636
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: action shot, but a drop back shot, and it actually

637
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: sets up really nice. It's quarters coverage. They got Zach

638
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: running like a deep sit across the formation and then

639
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: a post behind it, and just by some miracle, the

640
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: front side safety looks like he's going to Matt Zack

641
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: bells out last second and the concept's dead, Like it

642
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: looks like it's going to be great, but it's dead.

643
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: And so Dexter Lawrence being Dexter Lawrence is getting a

644
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: great pressure allegory. He's you know, fighting his tail off,

645
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: getting in the way, and you know, with any other

646
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: quarterback where we're in a lot of trouble offensively, but

647
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: for him to kind of step up in the pocket

648
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: see the grass, able to run and get you to

649
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: a fourth and one where we're able to convert because

650
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: of his running ability on the next play, I think

651
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: it just raises the floor of the offense tremendous, tremendously,

652
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: and analytics people talk about this all the time, with

653
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 2: the ability of a running quarterback to elevate an offense.

654
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: The problem with a running quarterback is they tend to

655
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: put the ball at arm's way and they are not

656
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: very fastidious just carrying the football. He's not done that

657
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: like you just alluded to, right, So for you to

658
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: steal consistently third and longs, second and long's, fourth and

659
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: shorts because of his ability to run the football like

660
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: you're just in such a better spot. So again, like

661
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: week one, I thought he was very accelerated through that process,

662
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: very very accelerated in.

663
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: The first half, for sure.

664
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: In the first half. Week two I thought I thought

665
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: he was much more selective and much more deliberate. Obviously,

666
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: he takes two sacks off of like RPOs, which again,

667
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: if you pull it, you don't like it, ball still

668
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: got to come out throw it away. That's something that

669
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: comes with learning, obviously, but I think generally you saw

670
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: him a much better version of the player we saw

671
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: week one, and I thought you saw someone who was

672
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: more consistent playing the quarterback position.

673
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: It's all under control.

674
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what this is.

675
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: What I like about this, Like, we just haven't seen

676
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: him do and he will because everybody makes a bad play,

677
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: he will. We haven't seen him do it yet. Yeah, Like,

678
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about what's happened in the first

679
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Bill Levis is in his second year.

680
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: I liked him at Kentucky. I'm like, hey, let's give

681
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: him a shot. Let's see what happens here. He had

682
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: a preposterously terrible play in week one against Chicago that

683
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: really ruined their chance to win by just flipping the

684
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: ball out because a play broke down on him and

685
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: goes the other way. And a bad one this week too.

686
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: Go watch Caleb Williams last night and he's only in

687
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: his second game two and he's running around like Mahomes

688
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: and he throws a ball that maybe in college gets there,

689
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: but not in the NFL. He's threw it into dangerous

690
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: three Texans standing around at they intercept it. They've lost,

691
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: they could be easily zero and two if it wasn't

692
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: their defense and special teams in week one. This we

693
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: haven't seen Jade do anything like this yet. That like

694
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: the decision making. We can nitpick some of it and

695
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: say it could be better here, or you could do

696
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: this there. But instinctually, when dan Quinn said he's playing

697
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: the position, well, I couldn't agree more, especially in light

698
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: of he's only played two NFL games and I feel

699
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: confident with the ball in his hands that he's not

700
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: going to do things to hurt the team, and it's

701
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: rare to say that about somebody at his age and

702
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: experience level.

703
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again I go back to Cliff and how

704
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: he called the game, and I think the other thing

705
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: we got to like just call attention to it with

706
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: a young quarterback because everyone talks about how he instantly

707
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: young quarterback. It's like running the ball, you know what

708
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean? And I think when you look at again

709
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: the stuff that Jayden did well, which is picking being

710
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: select about when they run the football, but also the

711
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: support he got from the running backs. I mean, I

712
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: don't know what b rob statline ended up being, but

713
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: it was over one hundred.

714
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Yards seventeen for one three.

715
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: One thirty three crazy efficient Austin Eckler Like, oh my goodness, man,

716
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: Like how healthy does he look? And so having that

717
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: ability with the backs to stay on schedule like is

718
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: incredibly important. And we talked about in the booth, you know,

719
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: finding explosive plays. Shoot, it's easy as a play caller.

720
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: You have an explosive run from b Rob, you have

721
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: an explosive reception from Austin Eckler, you have a fifteen

722
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: yard game from Austin Eckler. Like, you find them with

723
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: the backs and again, Cliff's doon a good job formationally

724
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: and find those opportunities. But I'm like, that is this

725
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: is how you want to call a game for jayden Is.

726
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: Again we talked about how well he's done and how

727
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: he's handled it, but also you just deleverage him, like

728
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: you'd say, hey, we're not going to ask you to

729
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: throw the ball fifty times in this game, and when

730
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: we do, the just makes you make a good decision

731
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: and it and again, like I forgot who it was

732
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: you were talking. There was some kind of offensive I

733
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: think was Sean McVay about running the football and EPA

734
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 2: and you know, how you value EPA And he's like,

735
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: EPA is one thing and it's important to look at.

736
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: But the thing that I like about running the football

737
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: is it is a mental down off for the quarterback.

738
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: And when you have two guys like Austin Eckler and

739
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson, it lets shive it lets you feel comfortable

740
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: about giving him the down off.

741
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to the run offense then for a

742
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: minute here. So the second Quinn and Joe Whitt and

743
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: those guys showed up and they started talking about what's

744
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: important to them and physical play. You're gonna feel us,

745
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna like how we get down all these kind

746
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: of the things that we've heard about what they're talking about.

747
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I go, if you give

748
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: the ball to number eight, you're gonna like what you

749
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: get out of it. I've been waiting for this for

750
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: a year and a half since he got healed. All right, Yeah,

751
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: like I've been waiting for someone. Last year they decided

752
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: not to do this. And I don't want to go

753
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: back through what last year was because no, because I'm

754
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: not a coach or at offensive coordinator, but that didn't

755
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: feel like it was the right way to go now

756
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: this year. You know, with the profile of the team

757
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: that they have them, leaning on the run consistently through

758
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: the year feels like something that's going to happen. And

759
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: I look at Robinson and I go and I don't

760
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: want to go through a whole soliloquy of Redskins history

761
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: or Commander's history again, but he fits the profile.

762
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool when you do that, though, Like your

763
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 2: ability to recall like that is awesome.

764
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: So I'll do it real quick. You know what he

765
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: really reminds me of like Stephen Davis, Oh, George Rogers,

766
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: Gerald Riggs, these very tough running backs that when the

767
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: second half rolls around, the defense wants nothing to do

768
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: with this person. And you could see it on his

769
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: face that he wants this. He even said it in

770
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: the postgame press conference. He goes, I haven't had seventeen

771
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: in a long time. I want that. He is someone

772
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: that I think they if there is a model of

773
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: success for this offense, and I agree. As we bring

774
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: Jaden along and he becomes a more developed overall quarterback,

775
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: especially in the passing game. Leaning on Robinson, especially in

776
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: close games, feels like a game plan that works. He

777
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: is tough, he's physical, he keeps getting better and better,

778
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: and I've been waiting for feeding number eight the ball

779
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: for over a year now.

780
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm with that one hundred percent. I think

781
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: the other thing about him is he's a better athlete

782
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: than people think. So, like when he's running through the hole,

783
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: he can create through physicality and also through a little

784
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: bit of footwork and craftiness. There's a couple where it's

785
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 2: a little bit muddy, He's able to kind of get

786
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: through a couple of arm tackles and burst for a

787
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: big game. So I love that he can kind of

788
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: First off, kudos to the offensive line. I thought they

789
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: did a really good job. Kudos to the run game plan.

790
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: I thought the runs that they had in the game

791
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: plan were excellent to kind of maximize both him and

792
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler. But again, you have two guys in Austin

793
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Eckler and b Rob, Like you're saying, who can maximize

794
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: those runs? That's really the ultimate goal, right, And again

795
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: we got to you got to give credit to Jade

796
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Daniels because you just talked about his ability to scramble

797
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: to get first downs. You can run the ball more

798
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: when you're getting first downs, So I think that's kind

799
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: of chicken in the egg there. But I think to

800
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: your point, the more touches you give be Rob, especially

801
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: with a well thought out, well organized rushing attack, you

802
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: know schematically what you're getting at there, you're going to

803
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: maximize the whole offense and you're going to deleverage Jane Daniels.

804
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: So I think those guys are awesome. I think they

805
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: work really well together, you know, because they kind of

806
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: bring a different cadence. Yeah, kind of like a pitcher,

807
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. You got b Rob who's

808
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: going to be your you know, fastball right down the middle,

809
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: like you know, that's kind of the pitch you're going

810
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: to ride, but then being able to throw Austin Eckler

811
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: in there. His shiftiness has changed direction and just I mean,

812
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm been super impressed watching him, you know, in the

813
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: watching the game day, how explosive he is, and just

814
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: how that is a different variable for defenses to have

815
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: to account for.

816
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to know, and obviously you know

817
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: we're not covering the Chargers constantly, but like last year,

818
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: he got hurt early in the season and it really

819
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: changed his entire season. I think it was either groin

820
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: or ankle or something like that. Now, Yeah, and it

821
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: changed his entire season. And so when the off season

822
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: rolled around and they're making all their changes out there,

823
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all your hearing is lost. The

824
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: step not the same. Is it going to be the same,

825
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: and so you're taking you know, I don't know if

826
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: risk is the right word, because if you go look

827
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: at the contract that they gave him, it really wasn't

828
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: and they brought him in and same thing in the summer.

829
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm watching this guy going he looks every bit the

830
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: guy of two three years ago. They've got an incredible

831
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: tandem now if they can keep them healthy.

832
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's the big thing when you give

833
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: back some more touches, like that's the thing. You're always

834
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: negotiating his health. However, I think because there's two of them,

835
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: you're going to be in a good spot, you know

836
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: what I mean, because you can say, oh, here's fifteen

837
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: for you, here's ten for you, as opposed to twenty

838
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: five to everybody. And it feels like Cliff again did

839
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: a really good good job call in the game, Like

840
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like, oh, we gotta go a run

841
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: run pass. It was like, we got enough very variation

842
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: in the offense. We got enough RPO, we got enough

843
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: you know, zone read, we got enough keeper stuff that

844
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: that it's all kind of mixed in there as a

845
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: rushing attack and no one's going to get too many touches,

846
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: which is great. And again, like to your point, it's

847
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: just the physicality I think pays dividends and it helps

848
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: the offensive line and pass protection.

849
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: It was really funny, like in the preseason, you'll typically

850
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: walk out, you know, wondering about play calling. But I

851
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: remember back in the first couple of preseason games, specifically

852
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the Jets one, actually I remember leaving the booth going

853
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: I actually liked the way he called the game in

854
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: general of they were rolling people out early in drives.

855
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: He was trying to make all the quarterbacks that played

856
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: really comfortable. And I got this kind of like really

857
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: good feeling of even though I know that this isn't

858
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: a normal game, that he's got this feel to try

859
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: to make everybody comfortable. And you're seeing this early here

860
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: that Eckler. The call on the roll out to throwback

861
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: to Eckler was so perfectly timed and it was well

862
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: executed it was it was really you know, for me,

863
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's hard eye because you've played when to

864
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: pull something like that out, when the timing of it

865
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: is to hit, when do you think it's going to work?

866
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: And that was perfection yesterday when they did it.

867
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that area of the field is kind

868
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: of notorious for like your shot trick, special teams play

869
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: like some people like right when you get across the

870
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: fifty year call in that play. I think this type

871
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: of play that he called, I thought was what made

872
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: it special. Right. It's you got the jet action across,

873
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: you're faking the boot. It seems like something very kind

874
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: of benign and vanilla. It's a low leverage throw back

875
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: to the running back. You've tested their rules kind of

876
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: with the final formation. You've ended up in the movement

877
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: by the quarterback. So I think it's I think it's

878
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: the when to call it isn't that spectacular, because that's

879
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: when people tend to call those plays. It's the it's

880
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: the execution of it and how good it looked and

881
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: the result that came out of it I thought was excellent. So,

882
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: you know, and I think people give Cliff a hard time.

883
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: You know seemingly, but I've been very impressed with how

884
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: he's called the game and to your point, how he's

885
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: gotten the quarterback really comfortable, you know what I mean,

886
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: and how he's made that guy feel very like welcome.

887
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: Later, I want to revisit one thing, Terry McLaurin hasn't

888
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 1: been unlocked in this SAUFA, just so we'll talk about

889
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: that and maybe get some thoughts on how they can

890
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: maybe unlock their receiver there. But let's talk about the

891
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: defense for a little bit.

892
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: So this is we're gonna play this game brand.

893
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: You want to play the game. You want to play

894
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: the game.

895
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: Saw we saw Seesaw Baby. Let's get after it.

896
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: Fine, Logan doesn't want to talk about it.

897
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: I want to know we can talk about it with this,

898
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, because I think this is the other thing.

899
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: This is why we want to bring this up. This

900
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: want to play this game is because fans come to

901
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: me and they say, oh my gosh, the defense is terrible,

902
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: and it's just like there's context and nuance to that

903
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: which I would like to provide. So I think addressing

904
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: both takes is why I want to play the game.

905
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do it. You saw. We saw seesaw.

906
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Seesaw put the defense in there first.

907
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: Then okay, let's do that here. So what is it

908
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: you saw, Jason? You I got a mic. No, my conference, Jason,

909
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: that's a bummer.

910
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: You saw.

911
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: So Alan and Paine, we're silent, right, And I get that.

912
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: And so when I see that, I think everyone says, oh,

913
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: my gosh, like we're terrible. We're supposed to be get

914
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: up front. We're paying them all this money. What I

915
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: see is in the second half, I saw Joe Wood

916
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: Junior adjust to what the Giants were doing offensively. They

917
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: got out of playing man and man coverage. And when

918
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: you look at Tampa Bay, one of the reasons that

919
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 2: John and Doran were so effective is they were able

920
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: to bring all of these man pressures. Frankie Louvu up

921
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: the egg, Bobby Wagoner around the stunt, and we're able

922
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: to get those guys into one on one matchups when

923
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: we're in our soft cover two right, are kind of

924
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: cover two quarters were backed up off the ball, kind

925
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: of with that soft coverage contour. We don't they're eating

926
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: double teams, right, And I don't care how good you are,

927
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: It's hard to eat double teams like that unless you're

928
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence or Chris Jones. Right. So, I think Joe

929
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: Wood Junior was able to identify a weakness in the

930
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: defense and it hurt John and Doran in terms of

931
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: their production. But that's not going to be the case

932
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: every week. And I think I trust Joe Wood Junior

933
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: to look at what they're doing and say, I want

934
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: to be a man pressure team, but right now we

935
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: don't have cornerbacks to do that. What can we develop

936
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: from his own pressure standpoint and can we help those

937
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: guys still be productive while insulating our secondary. Now that's

938
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: going to take a lot of excellent coaching. But I

939
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: don't know. You've talked to joe Ah Junior, like every

940
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: time you talk to him, just like, this guy gets

941
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: it and I fully expect him and I know he's

942
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: capable of making a trag I'm not saying that specific transition,

943
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: but a transition like that.

944
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: Okay, let me go back to what you just said that, Yeah,

945
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: because that was really interesting. So you think that they

946
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: want to be something, they might not have the personnel

947
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: to actually do it, so they're kind of adjusting on

948
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: the fly to that.

949
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Definitely, in this game. I mean, you saw it too, right,

950
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: And how many times did we say, oh, they're in

951
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: man coverage and then there's an explosive play to blakue neighbors.

952
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: And again it's not the players specifically at fault, but

953
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: they were able to identify man coverage, run picks, get

954
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: guys open, and again in the secondary. They're just having

955
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: a hard time matching concepts like that right now, So

956
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: let's alleviate some of that pressure. Let's get into some

957
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: different stuff. And they did and it was effective. Is

958
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: it slowed the offense down? So how cool is that?

959
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: How many times have we talked about, oh, you know,

960
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: coordinator X didn't make this adjustment, and here, live in

961
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: a living color we see a coordinator make an adjustment

962
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: and does it hurt some of the players in the team. Yeah,

963
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: but it lets them win the football game, which I

964
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: think is excellent coaching.

965
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: Okay, then let's go back to the middle of the

966
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: line again, right, Allen.

967
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: A little odyssey there, just right? Good?

968
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alan and Pain are not both seeing double teams

969
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: all the time. That would be pretty much impossible, so

970
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: to be the case.

971
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: Surprisingly in this game, it was kind of true because

972
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: basically what they came out and and if I'm the Giants,

973
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm looking at like, where is the money invested? Where's

974
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: the strength of this team? It's on the interior offensive line,

975
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: and so what they do. We talked about this in

976
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: the booth. That's why this is so fun. We get

977
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 2: to review all this stuff. But they basically came out

978
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: with that wing wing set, the y and the F

979
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: tight end there. And when you add that to a

980
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: four man front, you get double teams literally across the

981
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: board except for one player, and they have Andrew Thomas,

982
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: So every other person in the front is getting double

983
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: team if you're not bringing a pressure. So why do

984
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: you think they ran that personnel grouping probably ten times

985
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: twelve times in that game. It's because we can get

986
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: double teams in the run. We can get double teams

987
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: in the past game, and they're gonna be good double

988
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: teams because we're gonna be soft in coverage. Again, how

989
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: many times in the first half did we see Daniel

990
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: Jones versus two shell shell check to a run and

991
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: they just would run duo right up the middle of

992
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: the field. When you run two shell in the NFL,

993
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: you will get that response. And I don't care how

994
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 2: good you are front. It's hard to stop the run

995
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: when we have seven blockers and there's only seven defenders

996
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: because there's no one to tackle the running back. Someone's

997
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: got to get off a block, and I think that's

998
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 2: what you saw there. So schematically they're gonna they're putting

999
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: a tough spot because of some of the stuff they

1000
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: had to do in the back end.

1001
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: So you expect this to be replicated, replicated the Giants

1002
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: game plan. The Bengals have a different quarterback and different

1003
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: receiver groups, so I have a hard time buying that

1004
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: they're replicating that.

1005
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: But so if I'm the Bengals look at this and say,

1006
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: like this is an effective solution and we don't want

1007
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: them to be in cover two shell So one way

1008
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: to get them out of cover two shells to run

1009
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: the heck out of the ball. I don't know if

1010
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: they're physically capable of doing that with the personnel. Like

1011
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: if you look at how the Giants constructed their own line,

1012
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of like a meat grinder set

1013
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: a deal there, Like they want to do that. Bengals,

1014
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: they want to throw the ball a lot. So if

1015
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm Joe Woo Junior.

1016
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: The Giants keep getting hit on their offensive line and

1017
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: the lack of production through the years. They've actually spent

1018
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: a lot of money and a lot of assets on

1019
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: it in recent years. Oddly, Evin Neil's not part of

1020
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: that seemingly any longer.

1021
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: He's must have fallen off bad.

1022
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Andrew Thomas has turned out to be a

1023
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: very good left tackle. John Michael Schwitz was a very

1024
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: high draft pick. They just spent money on the run

1025
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: right tackle.

1026
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1027
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're they're fixing that. And to your point,

1028
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: they looked at Washington's strength and went right at it.

1029
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. And again it's and you can maximize those guys

1030
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: inside through movement, stunts, pressures, but if we can't cover

1031
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: it up on the back end, Like, I don't want

1032
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: to call that because that's a that's the who explosive

1033
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: plays in the offense. So I understand that there's a

1034
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: bit of frustration there, but I think when you look

1035
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: at the flow of the game, it needed to happen.

1036
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: It needed to happen to slow them down and get

1037
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: us to win. And ultimately, like I think John and

1038
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: Deron would say the same thing, like the priority isn't

1039
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: me having ten tackles. It's me winning the football games right.

1040
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: Week one, they actually won a lot at the point

1041
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: of attach, they just didn't get the seas right, didn't

1042
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: finish the plays. This week gets Daniel Jones, and we

1043
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: were talking about in the booth. You have to disrupt

1044
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't see the field very well. He

1045
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: throws the ball into dangerous places. He will turn the

1046
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: ball over. I saw him against Minnesota a couple of

1047
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: times slide into where the pressure was coming from. Like

1048
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: he gets rattled. For lack of a better term, they

1049
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: didn't rattle him yesterday. So getting some kind because I

1050
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: can't believe this was true, but I cited this in

1051
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: the pregame yesterday. You know, he has the best quarterback

1052
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: rating of any Giants quarterback ever. Now, nobody would ever

1053
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: think that about him, but he does. Yes, he is ever, Yes,

1054
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: of any Giants quarterback.

1055
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: Ever ever better man.

1056
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a better quarterback rating at this point.

1057
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: Nobody thinks of him that way because he hasn't won

1058
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: very much, but he does. You need to move him

1059
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: if he stands in the pocket. He's actually very effective

1060
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: and very accurate, and he could run the ball. He

1061
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: saw that yesterday I was worried. He couldn't really not worry.

1062
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: This is a tangent. What's his quarterback rating? Do you remember?

1063
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember. It ain't great, but like it's like

1064
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: but like it's shocking, Like would you think of Eli Manning?

1065
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: You're like, what are you talking about? But if you

1066
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: actually think about Eli Manning and the complain about him

1067
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: always was it was always the viewerd in the sports

1068
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: radio world. I was is he elite? That went on

1069
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: for years, He'd win, they'd go to Super Bowl, so

1070
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: that people would ask is he elite? Because his stats

1071
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: are kind of like you know, during the course of

1072
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: the season anyway, like they did not pressure it, They

1073
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: didn't finish against Baker, couldn't get him down, probably would

1074
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: have had five sacks otherwise. And then with Daniel Jones,

1075
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they got enough consistent pressure on him,

1076
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: didn't move him around. So what do you make of

1077
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: just kind of in general the pass rush.

1078
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to that same thing we

1079
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: were just talking about, like schematically, like you're gonna have

1080
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: hard time, Like they they know what he is and

1081
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: they're gonna That's what I'm saying. This is an NFL team,

1082
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna game plan at an NFL level, Like they

1083
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: look at what they saw last week. They're gonna have

1084
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: a plan for that. And so I think that's what

1085
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: they did, and I think there's gonna be so for example,

1086
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: let's just take Cincinnati that's coming up here right if

1087
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, we're gonna throw the ball a bunch.

1088
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 2: If I'm Joe Wood Junior, I'm like, we're gonna find

1089
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: ways to bring line stunts to loop guys around. We

1090
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: know what you're doing. You watch how Dallas plays teams

1091
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: that throw the ball a lot. I e. The Commanders

1092
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: last year, Like they're able to create a ton of

1093
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: pressure with four because it's a passing down every single time.

1094
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: And I'm very confident that Joe Wood Junior, Dan Quinn,

1095
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: Darryl Tapp will find a way to maximize that. Cause again,

1096
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: when you look at individual win percentages here, they're not

1097
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: gonna be super high. But when you look at the group,

1098
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: I think you can cultivate a group that can be

1099
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: maximized here. And I think Frankie Louvi rushing the passers

1100
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: also pretty damn Yeah.

1101
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: One of the things on that you saw, we saw

1102
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: Seesaw was misstackles, which was clearly a big part of

1103
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Week one. A little bit yesterday, I agree with you

1104
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: on Louvu. Yeah, like his energy, his ability to be

1105
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: around the ball. He's a disruptive player.

1106
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: He's so disruptive and he's I don't know how he

1107
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: plays this way all the time. But like the physicality,

1108
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, like the physicality that he plays with. Like

1109
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: again there's mistackles you know, every week and again that's

1110
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: got to be correct that I'm not saying that. But

1111
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: having a piece like Louvu is incredible. Like the way

1112
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: he fits on guards. I've never seen a linebacker just

1113
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: snap the offensive line head like he almost get He

1114
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: almost knocked Malik Neighbors out of the game in a

1115
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: pursuit tackle, like chasing him from behind. Like he is

1116
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: a physical, explosive, violent guy who plays with a great motor.

1117
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: And it's I think that's a piece, right, And as

1118
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: as you build around those pieces, I think you're just

1119
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: gonna again this is a work in progress, right, But

1120
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: having that core piece, really talented piece, the little defense,

1121
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fantastic.

1122
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: It was interesting like in the spring of the summer,

1123
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: after they had signed him. I called some of my

1124
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: colleagues down in Carolina and I'm like, just tell me

1125
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: about him, And all of them were like, we don't

1126
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: know why he's not here. They were like he was

1127
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: like we we don't know why they wouldn't have brought

1128
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: him back, Like we don't, we don't get it. Like

1129
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: he was one of those they they would give me

1130
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: the reasoning behind Jeremy Chin. Oh he had these injuries

1131
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: or whatever they would say. But with Luvu, all of

1132
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: them were like, we don't know what it was. They

1133
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: didn't like that him that led him to leaving.

1134
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: They didn't understand when you watch this film, I don't

1135
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: understand what ye like. Obviously they're so we got oh

1136
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: we got so.

1137
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: Before it dropped after the game, so right, So, but

1138
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: he is still ahead of Eli Manning. Yeah, only do

1139
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: you know why a tittle is shit? He's a Hall

1140
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: of Famer, But that's not important right now. It's like,

1141
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: so Jones pre game had the best Giants quarterback rating

1142
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: ever coming into the game, even just fell by point

1143
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: two points by the great why a tittle? And my

1144
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: father is looking down on me today, so proud that

1145
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: I know why a tittle.

1146
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Is so what else we got? We got miss Tagalos paint. Oh,

1147
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: we got third down and long conversions.

1148
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: And long conversions.

1149
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that it's the Giants. Yes, I understand

1150
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: that is a big criticism. I understand why. And again,

1151
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: like I understand the frustration because those are downs, like

1152
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: much like the red zone, where you got to get

1153
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: off the field. You gotta win situational football. I will

1154
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 2: say there was a couple of those where I thought

1155
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: the Giants had Again they're an NFL team. They had

1156
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: a really good plan for man covers on third down

1157
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: because Joe what Junior is kind of shown I want

1158
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: to bring pressure on third down and be really aggressive,

1159
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: like bringing Frankie Luvu, blitzing Bobby Wagner. Uh, they did

1160
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: a good job blitzing Mike Sanderslan a couple of those.

1161
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: I get it. But the thing I would point out

1162
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: is that they did adjust in the second half. They'd

1163
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: made changes to make to alleviate some of the pressure

1164
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: on those quarters and man and man situations. And again

1165
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: it's a little disappointing until they figure out the corner

1166
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: situation because you're you're never gonna that They're always gonna

1167
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: obviously Forbes is hurt. Some other guys got to step in,

1168
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: but like, you're never going to maximize the rush until

1169
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: the secondary is figured out and Joe Junior can be

1170
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: who wants to be. And I get that that's frustrating,

1171
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: but I do like that Joe Junior said, my ego

1172
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: is not the most important thing. Winning the game is

1173
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 2: the most important thing. I love the kind of we're

1174
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: always trying to get better, We're always trying to maximize,

1175
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: and it might not be exactly what we thought it

1176
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: would be at the beginning, but it ends up having

1177
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 2: a positive result.

1178
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel the same way. I mean,

1179
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: every time I see you know that, especially our rivals

1180
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: draft somebody that high, you wonder how good are they?

1181
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: And on first glimpse the lak neighbors is gonna be

1182
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: a problem. Like he's gonna be problem for everybody. He

1183
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: reminds me of.

1184
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: So he saw that too, you know it didn't dan

1185
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: Quinn after the pressure, I mean he saw everyone saw that.

1186
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like he reminds me, we're gonna ge Jamar

1187
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Chase this week.

1188
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: He looks What was my con form coming out was Yeah, look,

1189
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: he looks like Jamar chase.

1190
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very very catches. The ball acceleration after the

1191
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: catch is just dramatic.

1192
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: It is dramatic. He's got strong hands. And again he's,

1193
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: like you said, he's still a young player. But yeah,

1194
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bagel's are going to be a very interesting matchup

1195
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: for the worst commanders.

1196
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: They are. All right, let's do one quick one. You

1197
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: saw we saw he saw on Jade Daniels again, took

1198
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: a hit, not the wind knocked out of him, lost

1199
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: his helmet a couple times of the first week, everyone

1200
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: screaming about sliding, protecting yourself. You saw, I saw.

1201
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: The competitive son of a gun is what I saw.

1202
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: So like again in the first game, I don't think

1203
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: he took any shots that were too dramatic. I mean,

1204
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: the helmet fell off, right, he's trying to score a touchdown.

1205
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: I think what I appreciate about him is he's being

1206
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: extremely selective about when to take the shot. So in

1207
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 2: this game, when he gets the win knocked out of him,

1208
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: obviously we were worried up in the booth, but he

1209
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: actually you can I think you can see his head.

1210
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: He looks where the first down marker is and says,

1211
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: I'm short. I gotta get it. And he makes that

1212
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: second effort and gets the first down, and again you

1213
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: don't want him to get hurt, but that if you're

1214
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: going to do it, let's do it on a third

1215
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: and down that you can get and we can get

1216
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: and think about it. If he gets that one and

1217
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: let's say they go through and out the next play,

1218
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: that flips the field position. And for a team like

1219
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: when you're playing a team like the Giants, those extra

1220
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: fifteen yards of field position are extremely impactful on the

1221
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: result of the game. So again, I've been very actually

1222
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: impressed with his like how he's handled himself in that regard,

1223
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: because again, he could be going totally crazy, and you know,

1224
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: just to guy Jason over there, and I watched all

1225
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: of his college film and saw him take some huge hits.

1226
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure you did as well. They were cartoonish at times,

1227
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: but I think you're seeing you're seeing him do it

1228
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: more selectively now, which to me shows a maturity. And

1229
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: we talked about his poise, all those positive things. He's

1230
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: doing it in what I would characterize is the right moments. Again,

1231
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: it's like, if you're going to do it, let's do

1232
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: it for a touchdown. In a critical moment of.

1233
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a statement that dan Quinn made in

1234
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: the middle of camp at one point where people were

1235
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: they've been harping on him, protecting himself. And I think

1236
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: some of this is just we see what we have

1237
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: in him, and we want him to have a nice,

1238
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: long career, you know. And and I think it was

1239
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: him and Adam Peters are both kind of intimated. They go,

1240
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: we're not just trying to make him a good quarterback

1241
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: right now, We're trying to have him have a long,

1242
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: successful career. And you can kind of feel that in

1243
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: the way that they've kind of, I don't know, sheltered

1244
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: him from all the media attention that would come with

1245
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: being the number two overall pick and a Heisman Trophy

1246
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: winner and in a place that's starving for a franchise

1247
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: quarterback and waiting for this turnaround, and they could have

1248
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: put him up on the pedestal and said here he is,

1249
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: our savior, showed up, and they never did anything like that.

1250
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: At the same time, all they've been doing this summer harping, harping, harpy,

1251
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: get down, get down, get down, protect yourself. And then

1252
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: there's this part of me that goes. Let him be himself.

1253
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: His instincts are great, let him play the game. And

1254
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, I also think they want to

1255
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: protect him from himself at times too. And so there's

1256
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: a balance here as we figure this thing out.

1257
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: Because if you ran him in too much, obviously, you

1258
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: lose what makes them effective, which is makes them special. Yeah,

1259
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: makes them Yeah, special is the word. Thank you, That's

1260
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: that's a much better word. So, yeah, you lose what

1261
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: makes them special. So for me, again, the helmet coming off,

1262
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't think any of those were too dramatic. It's

1263
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: the ability to decide. Again, and as a quarterback throwing

1264
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: the football, you're making the same decisions. Can I think

1265
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: about Joe Burrow. He says this all the time, like

1266
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to be extra aggressive. I'm okay taking a

1267
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 2: sack on third down, taking a big hit on third

1268
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: down because it's the money down and that's where I

1269
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: gotta be excellent. And so to me, it's the same mindset.

1270
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: He's just doing it while he's running. For a first time.

1271
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: We got another segment for you. Yeah, are you ready?

1272
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: Love segments? I would like to get nerdy with Professor Paulson. Okay,

1273
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: so let's see week one, no intermediate passing game, Jayden

1274
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: was maybe a little sped up, felt a little different

1275
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: in week two. In week two, not unlike week one,

1276
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin saw double the amount of targets and was

1277
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: actually the most targeted receiver. But you know what, the

1278
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: numbers are four for twenty two something like that second

1279
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: game in a row where he didn't even cross thirty

1280
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: yards receiving. What do you do if you'rre Cliff Kingsbury,

1281
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels, etc. To try to unlock their number one receiver.

1282
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: So I will say this, I do think the Cliff

1283
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: tried to tried a couple times to kind of take

1284
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: a shot with Terry down the field. And kudos to

1285
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: New York they did a good job matching. I already

1286
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: talked about that post where Zach's running the sit and

1287
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: Terry's over top, like, oh my gosh, that could have

1288
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: been a huge explosive play, but they played it right.

1289
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: So that happens. Sometimes there's a there's a blaze out corner,

1290
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: so like they're running heavy play action. You know, they

1291
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: got a bunch of tight ends in the game, and

1292
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 2: he runs like an inside release corner to the pylon

1293
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: and they play it correctly, Like you're hoping that they

1294
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: lose him on the pylon and he hits it, but

1295
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: they hit him correctly, So I do. And again Tampa Bay,

1296
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: there was a couple the deep shot on the sideline

1297
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: which everyone remembers. There was a deep shot up the

1298
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: seam which Jade didn't let the ball go on. And

1299
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: again Jane has since come out and said, like, oh,

1300
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: it's because like pre snap, I thought it was going

1301
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: to be dead obviously, like as he grows, that's going

1302
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: to be better. So I think they have been opportunities

1303
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: in this game. Tis did a good job matching him.

1304
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: Terry's one of our better players on offense, Like you

1305
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: don't want him behind the defense, so you're going to

1306
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: prioritize covering him. Week one, I thought it was James's

1307
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: experience that led to a lack of production. I think

1308
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 2: I think this will.

1309
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: And one near miss on them, Yeah, the first play

1310
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: of the second half could have been a touchdown.

1311
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think that that type of that

1312
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: development of the offense is going to naturally come. Like

1313
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: next week, Cincinnati might not cover Terry on the post

1314
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: and it's a eighty yard bomb for a touchdown. And

1315
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: the one thing about Cliff when you watch him in

1316
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, he's very selective about explosive play opportunities. So

1317
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: like five to six times in a game he'll take

1318
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: that shot, and it's going to look a little bit

1319
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: different each week, and it's going to be to a

1320
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: different guy, usually a receiver, but they're going to be behind

1321
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: the defension, like how did that guy get there? And

1322
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: I think as the offense develops, as it grows, as

1323
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: we get more familiar with the spacing of the offense,

1324
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: these receiver touches will come naturally because the stuff you

1325
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: look at to Zach, it's Zach winning one on one

1326
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: with the linebacker, Zach winning one on one with the safety,

1327
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: and that's a matchup favorable to Zach. These receiver targets,

1328
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: I think, are going to come more through scheme as

1329
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: we go. But you have seen flashes of that already.

1330
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 2: We just haven't connected and I think that's why fans

1331
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: are like, why the receivers of It's they just haven't

1332
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 2: hit yet. But when they do hit, they're gonna be well.

1333
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a larger question. Do they have

1334
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: explosive playmakers on the edge. And if it isn't Terry

1335
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: making that big play, who would it be, And that

1336
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: that's an open question.

1337
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean, I definitely think Terry has

1338
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: that ability. We've seen him do that over the course

1339
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: of his career. And I think again, I think Noah

1340
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: Brown showed kind of why he was a It was

1341
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: a nice addition in the game. The explosiveness with which

1342
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: he attacked the football was great. I think Oz we

1343
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: saw on the punk return in the game he is

1344
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: he can be special after the catch.

1345
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: He's got a nice physicality, had these moments in the past.

1346
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so when you look at those again,

1347
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: there's no maybe true too there, you know, there's no

1348
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: true too, like Terry's obviously the one. There's no true too.

1349
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: But they all are explosive players. And I think that's

1350
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: the thing I've encouraged about is when you look at

1351
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: Cliff again in twenty twenty one, there wasn't there was

1352
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: d hop, but he was able to find explosive plays

1353
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: to you know, Christian Kirk before Christian Kirk became the

1354
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: guy in Jacksonville and the a couple other guys who

1355
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: were maybe not as big as names, but they had

1356
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: that exploded vertical speed. So I'm very confident that as

1357
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: Jade matures these opportunities. Because even though there was a

1358
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: dig throw to Terry where Jade's a little late and

1359
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: it's like it ends up being kind of a contested catch,

1360
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: ball pops out right if he's on time, like Terry

1361
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: might catch that and turn up the field. Who knows, right,

1362
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: it's those are the things that come with a young

1363
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: quarterback and timing. And again we talked about how well

1364
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: Jade's done, but I still think there's a lot of

1365
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: room to grow to get into that top fifteen, top

1366
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: twenty kind of range of quarterback, because that's what you

1367
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: see those guys doing all the time.

1368
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: I assume you haven't seen much of the Bengals yet.

1369
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: I watched, you know, when I got home, I watched

1370
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: the end and I saw them lose at the buzzer

1371
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. Everybody does an arrowhead. That's the big

1372
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: of a deal, right. I was a touch surprised by

1373
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: their opener, scoring ten points and losing to New England

1374
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: at home. So they're zero and two on Monday night.

1375
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: It's going to be a heavy focus on them all week.

1376
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: It's a big game for them. Yeah, huge, you know,

1377
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: it's a huge game for them, and I know what

1378
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: kind of aspirations, what's going to be said about them.

1379
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: It's the only game if your dan quitted company. What

1380
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: are you talking about this week? Because obviously they're going

1381
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: to be an extraordinarily motivated group on Monday night zero

1382
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and two at home.

1383
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the one thing is defensively, they don't

1384
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: have like any elite personnel necessarily, they have that defensive end.

1385
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: His name escapes me at the moment, Hendrickson, Hendrickson, thank you, yes,

1386
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: But outside of that, there's not They've they've unfortunately, because

1387
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: of all the money they've invested under the offense, have

1388
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: had to kind of let those guys go, right. I agree,

1389
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates is out in Atlanta now doing his thing,

1390
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: So I think the offense here can be very productive,

1391
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: the Commander's offense potentially. I think defensively, you're gonna have

1392
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: a tough sled, right. But I think that's the great

1393
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: thing about football. It's it's not you know, offense first defense,

1394
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: it's how our combined team plays against your combined team.

1395
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: So if we can possess the football the way we

1396
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: did against the Giants, keep the defense off the field,

1397
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: play a field position game, put them in advantageous situations,

1398
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: and then Joe Whi Junior can come up with a wrinkle.

1399
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they can't win this game, because I

1400
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: do think there's a path. It's a slight margin, but

1401
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: I think the lack of defensive elite talent on defense

1402
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: for the Bengals gives us a window. Especially with how

1403
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: a fish in our offense has been between the twenties.

1404
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: We just need to capitalize on some of those trips

1405
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: in the red zone.

1406
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: The Wey revisit Neighbors was targeted eighteen times ten catches.

1407
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: Day had a hard time keeping in front of them.

1408
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: Assuming t Higgins plays, Now you got Chase and Higgins

1409
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: and Burrow, who's an extraordinary quarterback. If you're Joe Witt,

1410
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about what the secondary does?

1411
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: So if I'm thinking, I'm thinking, hey man, let's make

1412
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: him go on eighteen play drives. Like I know, Joe

1413
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: Burrow is a special player, and he's very patient, and

1414
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: he's probably the closest thing to Tom Brady, you know,

1415
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: in terms of how he handles himself in the pocket,

1416
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: but I'm going to make him be patient, make him

1417
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: be patient. Keep everything in front. Let's not mess around

1418
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: because one of the things. So obviously, the Cincinnati offense

1419
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: was semi effective before Jamar Chase came. It became a

1420
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: top five offense because of the explosive plays Jamar Chase brings.

1421
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: Don't let Jamar Chase behind you. Keep everything in front.

1422
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: It's going to be a frustrating game for fans, I

1423
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: would think, because it's going to be a bunch of

1424
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: hitches and outs and we're going to rally to tackle

1425
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: and hopefully and they're going to go on long, long drives.

1426
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: But if they make a mistake penalty, false start, incomplete pass,

1427
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: that's where you have to capitalize on those second and long,

1428
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: third and long situations. And it's again small margin, but

1429
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: that's how I would approach this again. Just try to

1430
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 2: limit the explosive plays from that offense and if.

1431
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: B Rob's got another seventeen to twenty carry game, let's

1432
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: do that.

1433
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I think that's one hundred percent right.

1434
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: Like we talked about it, with the ball control, can

1435
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: you manage and control the football, keep your defense fresh,

1436
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: put a little pressure on that offense to be more aggressive.

1437
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: Let's see you go out and score first. They got

1438
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more aggressive. Does it get

1439
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: them out of their game plan? Does Joe Burrow change

1440
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: his mindset? Those are all things that are important. Game

1441
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: flow will be very, very important this game.

1442
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: So we are officially on to Cincinnati. As Bill Belichick

1443
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: would say, We're on to Cincinnati. We're lowg it Up brand.

1444
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week for the next ex.

1445
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: Boots were the