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Speaker 1: Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders to another episode

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Speaker 1: of By order of the Faithfuls, we will be recapping

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Speaker 1: season fifty of Survivor on our show today, Richard Hatch,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Survivor the first episode of season fifty,

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Speaker 1: just because there's a lot to kind of mull through

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Speaker 1: as this show is. Well, this is the biggest cast

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Speaker 1: I think they've ever had. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: Is it too much?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: For me? There was so much exposition, right, it was

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Speaker 1: a three hour first episode because you had to slog

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Speaker 1: through the first hour to kind of like remind everyone

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Speaker 1: who everyone is. What are your thoughts on the amount

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Speaker 1: of cast that they had for season fifty, Well, one.

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Speaker 3: Of the things I know about Survivor fans is that

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Speaker 3: they're rabid, and so for the fiftieth season, you know,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of people who know all of them,

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Speaker 3: who know all fifty who are out there. Yeah, and yes,

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Speaker 3: they still had to do what you're saying, introduce the

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Speaker 3: players and that took a long time. But I don't

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Speaker 3: mind the number this time because they are known and again,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to pay a lot of attention to

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Speaker 3: who these early ones are you know, Jenna and I

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Speaker 3: played together, and I thought she might have learned a

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Speaker 3: little more than it looked like she learned last night.

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Speaker 3: She was playing much harder and kind of appeared to

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Speaker 3: me to be tone deaf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a little hard and loose is how

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of it.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. Yeah, And if she hadn't, she

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Speaker 3: probably could have done better, because I think she did

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Speaker 3: learn a lot about the game and knows how to

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Speaker 3: play better than what happened. So I feel for her.

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Speaker 3: I wish she'd lasted longer, but I don't mind the

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Speaker 3: twenty four. I think that number is okay, and we'll

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Speaker 3: whittle them down just like always happens and challenges and

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Speaker 3: as the game progresses.

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Speaker 4: What did you think about?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Is he making believe that he's emotional? Like that? He

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Speaker 4: just started crying out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, by the way, another DENI you need to know, Richard,

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Speaker 1: Dolores never cries. She has a black, black heart, and

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Speaker 1: every time anyone cries, she gets very upset on TV.

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Speaker 3: So look, I love the woman because she's got a brain.

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Speaker 3: It's just like, wait, what you know, what are you doing? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you're going to start crying. You're supposed to be

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Speaker 3: a survivor.

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Speaker 4: Act like one. I do not, really, I cannot do it.

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Speaker 4: He you know that.

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Speaker 5: He starts getting a little talk about you know, you're

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Speaker 5: annoying at first, but I'm going to try to be here.

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Speaker 5: You're twenty five years old, and I remember when I

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Speaker 5: was twenty five doing this.

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Speaker 4: And then he starts crying. I'm like, I'm done, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: That is an example of your last question. This is

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Speaker 3: an example of the behind the scenes stuff. This is

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Speaker 3: stuff that Jeff as executive producer now likes. He likes this.

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Speaker 3: He calls it family fun Emily style, and what he's

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Speaker 3: trying to do is use the participants who are that

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Speaker 3: emotional and reflect for CBS and himself this kind of

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Speaker 3: emotion loving, I know what you're saying, politically correct kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff instead of hard players and exposing who we

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Speaker 3: are hard viewers. Then talk about it later.

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Speaker 5: So give me a hard player. And I want to

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Speaker 5: see somebody cry for a reason. I want to give

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Speaker 5: you a reason a cry. I want something to happen

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Speaker 5: to your friend or you had to make a decision

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Speaker 5: and you're so tired and you're so broken down. Now

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Speaker 5: you're getting emotional two weeks in and you're hungry and

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Speaker 5: you're tired, and now I'm going to give you a

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Speaker 5: reason a cry not talking.

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Speaker 3: To but in the first first episode, and the kid's

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Speaker 3: balling because this guy reminds him of his father.

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Speaker 4: Come on, was done, double rizzo, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: I also kind of felt bad for Colby in that moment,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure he's like, I know, I'm not that old,

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Speaker 1: Like why.

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Speaker 4: You know, my father's forty seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm jacked. I'm like young looking, don't call

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Speaker 5: I think he was sorry he started the conversation, and

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Speaker 5: that's like when you get to know that's like getting

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Speaker 5: to know the people. Now, I want to get to

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Speaker 5: know the people, and then I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 3: You, which thanks I know a lot of them pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Like Colby and I have history. We were on All

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Speaker 3: Stars together and I looked him in the eye and

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Speaker 3: we were in the ocean, and he had he had

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Speaker 3: some really funny lines like you know, can I call

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Speaker 3: shark you know, he was hysterical. But I'm like, listen, Colby,

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Speaker 3: if you and Kathy kick my ass out of here,

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Speaker 3: you're next. And she goes after that, listen, here's why.

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Speaker 3: And I was so clear, and you know, I get

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Speaker 3: the game. I've got proof I know how to play this.

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Speaker 3: Listen to me, pay attention. Yeah, get rid of me

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Speaker 3: at some point, but use me until you go far

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Speaker 3: enough in the game. He didn't listen. They got rid

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Speaker 3: Kathy went right after. I mean, and here he is playing,

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Speaker 3: and we'll see. I'm not seeing the same kind of

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Speaker 3: detachment and awareness with adaptability that's necessary for Colby to

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Speaker 3: go farther. So I don't know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Were you annoyed and men?

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Speaker 1: Dolores answers to by Coach's speech, this inspirational speech to

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Speaker 1: start the show, or were you no end annoyed to.

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Speaker 4: Bad so bad? Rich?

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Speaker 3: Rich?

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Speaker 5: Me and you should watch it together. Now I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: tell you right now, Like I was like.

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Speaker 4: Oh God, here we go. But do they call you rich?

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Speaker 5: I'm just curious, is people going on the show, does

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Speaker 5: anybody call you for advice before they get there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They really do. And some of them, like one

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Speaker 3: of seasons ago, called me long before she even applied,

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Speaker 3: and came to Newport and brought her friends and we

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Speaker 3: hung out and then she asked me all kinds of

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Speaker 3: got selected and did pretty well. Ah, she listened, many

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Speaker 3: have One was a professor who teaching in college, and

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Speaker 3: he had me zoom into his class and then got

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Speaker 3: selected to go on Survivor later, et cetera. So's it's

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Speaker 3: we're in the what now? Thousand almost a thousand Survivor

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Speaker 3: participants over these fifty.

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Speaker 4: Was crazy crazy and you were number one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, long time ago. Fun game, but you can

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Speaker 3: the game is still the same from my perspective, or

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Speaker 3: very very similar. They market and talk about this new

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Speaker 3: There A good player is going to be adaptive and flexible.

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Speaker 2: I could do it well.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of players there, split up into three

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Speaker 1: different tribes, and we kind of learned that the show

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Speaker 1: is going to be dictated by what the fans want,

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Speaker 1: which is I do think it's that's a fun way

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Speaker 1: of being more interactive with a gigantic fan base. The

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Speaker 1: first challenge starts, so it includes digging yourself under a log,

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Speaker 1: unlocking a puzzle, tugging a boat out into the ocean,

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Speaker 1: retrieving a torch, and eventually lighting that torch to win.

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Speaker 1: Team Batu wins. They're rewarded with flint and a giant

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Speaker 1: bonfire back at camp, I wanted to ask you this

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Speaker 1: because especially what happened to it the was it Kyle

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Speaker 2: Later on?

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Speaker 1: Is there a thought of I want to win and

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Speaker 1: I want to hustle and I want to work hard,

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Speaker 1: but I need to be safe because you know, the

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Speaker 1: most of the best ability is availability right in this game,

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Speaker 1: and if you get hurt, you're kind of screwed.

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Speaker 2: Do you go into.

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Speaker 1: Challenges being like, Okay, I want to be fast, I

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Speaker 1: I want to be smart.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I go into everything where I want

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Speaker 3: to be smart, but I don't. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: there's much hesitation when it comes to challenges, because sometimes

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Speaker 3: you have to go all out. But in Survivor, winning

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Speaker 3: challenges isn't the end all and be all. You know,

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Speaker 3: getting to the end and having the jury vote for

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Speaker 3: you is what the game's about. There are lots of players, Russell,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of players who who thought, oh I

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Speaker 3: was robbed and and you know, I've made I won

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Speaker 3: all everything. I kept winning challenges. Ozzie, who's out there now,

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Speaker 3: seasons He's played crazy, But that doesn't get you to winning. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's just a kind of a distraction. And so imagine

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Speaker 3: if on Bachelor of Paradise they fans got to tell

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Speaker 3: you who you had to date. Yeah, oh, there's a

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Speaker 3: what the game's about, and that's you being the last

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, they send you.

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Speaker 1: Know, each tribe has to send one person to compete

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I remember doing Traders and we were doing this dragon

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Speaker 1: everyone thought that I was like kind of like a

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Speaker 1: everyone else. I wonder, in a situation like this, do

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Speaker 3: Well, clearly in the beginning you have to lay back

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Speaker 3: but whether you got chosen or not, you kind of

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Speaker 3: what happens if you get chosen. There's potential for all

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Speaker 3: kinds of pop upside. Like the last night, she got

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Speaker 3: the the advantage of a block of vote and didn't

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Speaker 3: have to tell anybody. That's huge.

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Speaker 1: He touched on it earlier, but I want to really

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Speaker 1: kind of dive a little bit deeper into the ausy

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Speaker 1: and Coach trying to decide what to do with this

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Speaker 1: game and can call Ozzie was like, if you get

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Speaker 1: the key, then I won't go after it, and Coach

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Speaker 1: being like, I'm not agreeing to that. Uh, are you

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Speaker 1: on Coach's side or are you on Ozzie's side in

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great question, So deeper, let's go deeper.

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Speaker 3: I'm not on either one of their sides. Ozzie, I

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Speaker 3: hope has learned. I'm getting the sense that he's he

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Speaker 4: So life's not fair.

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Speaker 3: And when Coach sat there and intentionally didn't agree to

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Speaker 3: So I don't think of that as dirty. Make up

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Speaker 4: It backfired on Ozzie, it did, but Ozzie's not.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 4: Don't Oh, can the last game behind? Right?

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Speaker 3: You got to, you got to. And he's got to improve,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you really quickly about Mike White

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Speaker 1: with White Lotus one.

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Speaker 2: He's an incredible shape. I don't know, good for you talk.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how you get in that kind

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Speaker 1: thirty six days, you know in Thailand at they were

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking like, this guy cerebrally is really

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Speaker 3: I hope so. And it, you know, with the subtle

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of them are fan girling over him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they are, and they want to be on White Lotus.

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Speaker 3: Who want to be on white Loaders?

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Speaker 4: Meet you, right, I'm in.

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Speaker 3: The first winner of Survivor, the naked guy. Calm on,

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Speaker 3: I've gotta be on White Lotus at some point anyway. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: Know, the night I saw that, I did see that yet.

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Speaker 3: But I think he's also aware that none of that matters.

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Speaker 3: He's also still looking at them to figure out who's

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Speaker 1: Rizzo starts a fashion show, very fun like little kind

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Speaker 3: I'd have been dying for it to end, but going

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Speaker 4: Be like, let's get our head back in the game.

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Speaker 5: It's a distraction, Like you've said, these are something we

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Speaker 3: So I'd be paying attention to him, and I'd be thinking,

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Speaker 3: who's just going along? You know? In House of Villains,

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Speaker 2: Is this just what?

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Speaker 3: Heck? No, I know I couldn't believe it at first,

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Speaker 4: Just couldn't totally not acting.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm going to explain story arc to you guys

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Speaker 1: and making reality TV because I yes, it's stupid the

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Speaker 2: I thought that that was what that was good storytelling.

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Speaker 5: It was, actually it was, but it's I think what

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Speaker 3: Right sore. I love it too, as somebody who watches

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Speaker 3: great story, but also I'm thinking, eh, who cares? Who cares?

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Speaker 3: Like what it shows me is Kolbe's kind of a

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Speaker 3: I don't like him, Oh I do now, instead of

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Speaker 3: what's going on with the game. He's he's oh Rizzo's friendly,

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Speaker 3: oh Rizzo's got emotions, Rizzo's connected to his dad, Rizzo's

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know Day three challenge is kind of an epic challenge.

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Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, players crawl through mud, they have

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Speaker 3: Rich so epic, Like you said, the size of these things,

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Speaker 3: I'm going I'm watching somebody like Dolores, who's done. I'm watching.

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Speaker 5: Are you like, oh no, oh yeah, you're looking for

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah all the time. And these big challenges

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Speaker 3: show you what people can and can't do. How quickly

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Speaker 4: And that's where you'd find my weakness, you know.

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Speaker 3: But good, you know you want to know that. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, obviously Sirih has a problem getting the monkey

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Speaker 1: Is that something that you're watching is then the biggest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Siri, she's a legend. She's played, you know, so

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Speaker 3: real the precipice of danger for her when you're that Like,

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Speaker 3: it didn't look at on that on last night's episode,

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Speaker 3: but in reality, I learned that she was there for

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Speaker 3: throw it. So when that happens, there's no chance. But

437
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 3: that the rest of the team has a little frustration

438
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: and has to ask themselves, is this somebody that I

439
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: can continue to work with or would be good on

440
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: other challenges those kinds of things. She's great, but you

441
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: can't help. But what wonder is she going to make

442
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: it through this? Are they going to get rid of

443
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: her because she's just dead weight?

444
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: How do you become chosen for that? Because and this

445
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: might come across as like misogynistic, but if I'm like,

446
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: you got to throw this like five pound ball thirty yards,

447
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: I want like a guy who like maybe played football

448
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: or something.

449
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: And is that like a team?

450
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: It's logistically just smart?

451
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like a team decision, because if it is,

452
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: then there's a little bit of blame to be left

453
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: on the team to be like you should have had

454
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: her do it when you have I don't know, some

455
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: jock that would have been one throw and giant, Yeah.

456
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: But they're crazy dynamics on Traders, on Survivor or whatever.

457
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: Behind the scenes. Yeah, it's a team decision. But if

458
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: you're part of that team. How a certive do you

459
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: want to be? How a certive do you not want

460
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: to be? What do you want to let somebody step

461
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: in and look like an idiot? Who cares? If you

462
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: win the challenge, if you can get rid of one

463
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: of yours or one of the rest of them, you're

464
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: still getting closer to you winning lots of dynamics that

465
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: people don't think about. So I think, having heard she

466
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: volunteered in this case, I don't know if you guys

467
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: knew it. She volunteered to do it because she'd done

468
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: the same challenge on Survivor Australia, but the Survivor Australia

469
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: challenge at that point was a little bit different and

470
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: didn't have the thing in front of it that this did,

471
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 3: and so she found herself unable to do it and

472
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: was like emotionally destroyed.

473
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: Like defeated.

474
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, she seems really defeated by down And it's right

475
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 5: out of the box. Ye kind of knew she's starting

476
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 5: off on the wrong foot and.

477
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: They're after her.

478
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: They are they are coming for her big time.

479
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: Who was it? Was it Jen? They look alike to me?

480
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: So was it Chrissy or Jenna that wanted to take

481
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: her down right out Jenna, like you were saying, like,

482
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 5: Jenna just came out really aggressive, and.

483
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 4: She was on her radar to get rid of her

484
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: in the first place. And I'd hate to see if

485
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: Siri knew that.

486
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: She thought she had to be that aggressive Jenna did.

487
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, Chrissy, Oh, that one's not going

488
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: to go very far. I'm just saying.

489
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: Fast forwarding to the tribal council, when everyone ended up

490
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: voting Jenna over Siri, are you surprised that there weren't

491
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: more votes for Siria? Like for me, I would have

492
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: been like that was a bad play. She might be

493
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: a weak link for tribe. I could have been swayed

494
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: either way. Did you were you surprised or did you

495
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: think it was was good gameplay for everyone to go

496
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: against Jenna.

497
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think it was. There are lots of ways,

498
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: lots of reasons I would I could have kept Jenna

499
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: in and used her to help me get to the end,

500
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: But I think it was good to get rid of her.

501
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: And I wasn't surprised that so many votes were for

502
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: her because her gameplay was not subtle. And if there

503
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: isn't the subtlety to bring you further. Then I can't

504
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: trust you necessarily to be an ally, to be an asset.

505
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: You'd worry me if you're too exposed the way she is.

506
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: So I wasn't surprised that there were that many, And

507
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: because it's Siri, I wasn't surprised that she had so

508
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: few just the one vote. She's really amazing in person's

509
00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: She's as as good at kind of building relationships and

510
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: being that kind of smooth, comfortable personal person around whom

511
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: you aren't concerned or worried about, you know what's happening,

512
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: and that takes you far in a game like this,

513
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean really far.

514
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: What do you think about these these idols that they're finding,

515
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, Jennifer Genevieve finds this Billie Eilish boomerang idol one.

516
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if Billy Eilish even knows that that's being

517
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: done in her name. I like to think that it is,

518
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: but I also know producers early let's just put bad

519
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: buddy Billyl whatever. What are you thinking about the like

520
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: the like these idols that it seems like it's going

521
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: to be fun and make a bunch of twists going forward,

522
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: But I want to get your thoughts.

523
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: I think it's fun and going to be and things

524
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: are going to happen too. And I love that Genevieve

525
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: found it because I don't know if you remember her season,

526
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: but she's a hell of a player. They're there for

527
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty thirty almost forty seasons, it would

528
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: be it's hard to find play players who understood the

529
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: game and were really really playing well. But in this

530
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: these last ten to fifteen seasons, a few more really

531
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: super players have started to emerge. Like it's almost as

532
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: if they've run out of people unaware of how to

533
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: play Survivor and they're starting to get some who are

534
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: who are really really good at it. And Jeneteve is

535
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: one of them. So even though she only got to

536
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: fifth in her last season, I think the woman knows

537
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: how to play the game, and I'm really interested to

538
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: see what she does.

539
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep an eye on her.

540
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's something and with this now, the thing

541
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: is that she found it in front of other people. Yeah,

542
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: so watching who else she tells about it or doesn't tell.

543
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: It's not like the other one where you can keep

544
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: it secret.

545
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: Well, if one person knows about it. Somebody else is

546
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 5: going to know about it and it's done. You know what,

547
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 5: It's just who do you want to You know it's

548
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: going to get out, So who do you want to

549
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: tell to?

550
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: At least them feel like you're giving them something?

551
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly. You make him like you're giving them

552
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: something and like you're with them, you're.

553
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: You're with them.

554
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 5: It's us, but it's out anyway, it's out. You're not

555
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: giving them nothing.

556
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: But you're exactly what I do.

557
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: Well, you would, you would, and you did? You know.

558
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: I watched how you played. You really didn't rock people's

559
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: boat too much and that's important, you know you kind

560
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: of I love it? Yeah, now in real life, Oh,

561
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: i'd have some advice.

562
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 4: And I would take it from you.

563
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Speaking of the idols, you know, Ozzy ends up finding

564
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: one in his backpack and it's this boomerang, which is

565
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: very fun. Right, But my question to you is, if

566
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: you are Azsy, how are you using that? How are

567
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: you playing that? Going forward?

568
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, good question. Well, Ozzie needs to focus, I

569
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: think a little bit more on just what the goal

570
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: is instead of being different. He needs to be different,

571
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: but the goal is still to bond in a way

572
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: that gets the people at the end to vote you in.

573
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: So you've got to be thinking about maybe bringing somebody

574
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: into what you know secretly, maybe doing something in a

575
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: way that doesn't look as if you're schmoozing them, but

576
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: but you're you're connecting in real ways. The way I

577
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: did it was actually being real, Like it sounds absurd,

578
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: but as I was as honest as as was humanly

579
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: possible with the people I was playing with. Yeah, when

580
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: it came to game stuff that I didn't I couldn't

581
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: be honest about You've got to lie and be deceitful

582
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: without ever showing a blip of it with just Trader

583
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: as if it's yeah.

584
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 4: You're a Trader, You're an excellent trader.

585
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: I want them to pick me as Trader when I

586
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: play that game.

587
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, don't say it out loud, and people

588
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: are just going to be like, well, I heard on

589
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: that podcast that you wanted that, so we're going to vote.

590
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: For Everyone goes in wanting to be a Trader except

591
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: for me, I know, and will they.

592
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't. I don't know if they'd

593
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: picked me up.

594
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Richard, I can tell you what's gonna happen, they're not

595
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: going to choose you. And if you could get through

596
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: a couple of the first round tables without like just

597
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: being a huge threatned to everyone being scared of you,

598
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: then once traders start to dwindle down, someone's gonna bring

599
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: you into the turret.

600
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: Ah, that's it. That's a good Yeah. Yeah, that's a

601
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: good one.

602
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: I agree.

603
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: When they do, I'll be ready.

604
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet you you were born ready for this.

605
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Real quick. Ozzie does have some power though.

606
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: He's got this boomerang and he's got an extra idol.

607
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, I have this big theory about reality TV.

608
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: When I see you too much on the first couple episodes,

609
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: it means I don't think yeah last very long.

610
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 2: I'm a little nervous about Ozzie's.

611
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: Uh camera time that you're saying that screen time.

612
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about his longevity on the show because of

613
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: the screen time.

614
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think the boomerang's

615
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: gonna serve him well. I don't think it's gonna be used.

616
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: So if he's counting on that, that's not great of him.

617
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: But I think, like you, I think he's got not

618
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: just a little bit of a target because he's so

619
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: physically competent. I think he's got a target also because

620
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: he's not he's not known to play really well. And

621
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: so is that an asset to bring him along? Is

622
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: he smart? Like I don't know.

623
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: You know, we got to close out the episode talking

624
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: about about Kyle, and you know, the doctors come and

625
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Jeff comes, and you know, it makes everyone leave. My

626
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: heart breaks for the kid, Like, you know, I hate

627
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: to have anyone go out in that manner that early

628
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: in the game.

629
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: One.

630
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything like did he rupture his achilles

631
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: or was it just strained?

632
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: He did? He just had his He just finished his

633
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: second surgery about two years ago.

634
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 4: That's a bad one. That's painful.

635
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: They finished this in July and he had his second

636
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: surgery just three weeks ago. So he's still healing. But

637
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: he's Uh, he's just a good guy. And so here's

638
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: what I'd say to you, Wells when you talk like

639
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: that about I hate to see anybody go He just won. Yeah,

640
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: just got a million bucks and he's hurt, okay personally

641
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: as a human. Oh that's too bad. Bye bye, one down,

642
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: got million bye bye. Yeah, you know it's it's gotta

643
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: be you gotta in the game. Detached from that, And

644
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: what I noticed was they didn't everybody around him. I

645
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: mean the tears and the yeah, the the kind of

646
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: reaction of oh, I hate anybody leaving. On the first season,

647
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: it seemed these people aren't actors. That's something you know,

648
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: you guys know, it seemed real. You know, these people

649
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: were lost in the emotions of sad that one of

650
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: my team members. How's your team name? Even you even

651
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: remember they gave it to you yesterday? I mean, who

652
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: cares they make this shit up?

653
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 4: You know, he's my soul made, Richard, my soul made.

654
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: I love you. I'm gonna say I love you.

655
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Speaker 5: I don't throw that word around too much, but I

656
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Speaker 5: love you.

657
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Speaker 4: We get each other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just true. And I just hope they get it,

659
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, some of them as they move along. But

660
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Speaker 3: that's what I'm looking for, is for which of them

661
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: are using that to manipulate the situation. But it didn't

662
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Speaker 3: look like any of them were.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's what I thought about.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the beginning, when Rizzo was crying, when

665
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 5: he had the father talk, I'm like, please tell me,

666
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 5: this kid's kidding, but I don't think he was.

667
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: He wasn't. And that's the sad part. That's why he'll

668
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: go too to hear him talking about, Oh, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be a legend. Oh buddy, just that you're gone,

670
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: you know, just a death.

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Richard, I want to be respectful of your time,

672
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: but I have to say, like, I love your perspective

673
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: on reality amazing, Like what are your favorite reality TV

674
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: shows that that isn't survivor that we might be doing

675
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: recaps for to have you back on to see and hear.

676
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing better right than Traders. There's nothing out

677
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: there better than Traders. That show for me is well,

678
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: the game, I don't know the show. I love the show,

679
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: you know, I love Allen's drama and all the rest

680
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: of that, but all that distraction the game for me

681
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: of Traders is, I don't know, just excites me. So

682
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: that's one of them that I like a lot. I

683
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: watch a lot of them because I end up on

684
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: you know, heroes versus I end up on you know,

685
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: shows with people and I'm I'm really not sure who

686
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: they are, so I try to pay attention. I watch

687
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: all the house not all, but a lot of the howwives,

688
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: just because all my background is psychology bachelors and apply

689
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: behavioral science as Masters in Education and Counseling one course

690
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: shy of a PhD in Humanities. It's about people who

691
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: people are so housewives, so many are batshit crazy. I mean,

692
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just fascinated that they're functioning among one another.

693
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just like, Wow, somebody some stable in

694
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: the midst of it to laurs, you know, look looking

695
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: around at them, like, what the hell's happening. I love

696
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: that because it's true, you've got to wonder what's happening

697
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: in their heads.

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00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: I'm studying right now Ashley from The Bachelor, I'm trying

699
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: to get to I want to hear what you say

700
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: about her. And Brittany from Salt Lake City. I'm baffled.

701
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's something. I don't know what to make of her. Really,

702
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: the the she seems to me. Brittany, for example, seems

703
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: to me so detached from.

704
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: See put her on survivor.

705
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, from how to interact in a way that might

706
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: be helpful to her relatable to other people. I mean,

707
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: I don't I don't get it. These people know that

708
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: a lot of them, like the Beverly Hills, they're and

709
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: so they know they're privileged, you know, some of them

710
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: with they're aware that their lives are a privileged but

711
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: they're detached from how they're perceived. I think in such

712
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: a way that the the screaming and the fits and

713
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: the I don't know, maybe they're just desperate to stay on.

714
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: And some of it's intentional. But again, just like this

715
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: we were talking about before, a lot of it doesn't

716
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: seem intentional to me. It's not.

717
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 4: I don't think it is. I can tell when it is.

718
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: I can tell you.

719
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: Why do you want to slapper I want to I

720
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: want to slap her. I don't want to hear it.

721
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: The tears, the they threw her, They threw her plush

722
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 3: toy in the water.

723
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Speaker 5: I wanted to see her cry when her daughter was

724
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 5: talking to her.

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: Rich Now, when they threw the unicorn, and yeah.

726
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different. They drew her to her little pluck

727
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: stuffed animal.

728
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: In the water.

729
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: They should have cut the head off and put it

730
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 5: under her bed like the Godfather.

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Speaker 1: I agree, all right, So to take it back to

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Speaker 1: Survivor for one last question before we let you go,

733
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: prognosticate Forrest Richard. Who do you think is gonna win

734
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Season fifty after watching episode one?

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: Oh god, you know, I never I never guess. It's

736
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: just so random and there are many who could I think,

737
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: and I've given you lots of hints. So I think

738
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: Genevieve is a really, really super player. I think there

739
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: are a lot of people there who could be so

740
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 3: under the radar but so smart that they're gonna take

741
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: the whole thing. And maybe that's Camilla. You know, she

742
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 3: certainly would deserve it if she if she was able

743
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: to get that way, and her her closest ally who

744
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: they have the most experienced playing together, Kyle's now gone,

745
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: so that would be really rewarding. But until we have

746
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: more gameplay, wells, I'm at a loss. I can't even pick.

747
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: It would just be a random like any meenie MINDI moe.

748
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: I got to see what happens and how they do it.

749
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on by order

750
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: of the Faithfuls and talking. She's in fifty, episode one

751
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: of The Survivor before we let you go? What are

752
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: you working on? What do you want to promote? Where

753
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: can people find you? All that stuff?

754
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm on all the social media, not that I

755
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: pay a lot of attention to it, and you know,

756
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: I do a number of different podcasts and things. Right now,

757
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: we're hyping the House of Villain season three, that premiere

758
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: is tonight. I'm working on this. This is my passion

759
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: project deeper, exploring what's true, where reality matters. I'm trying

760
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 3: to challenge people to go beyond their way of looking

761
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: at the world, their perceptions, and recognize that we don't

762
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: all know what's true, so let's explore the possibilities, keep

763
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: more of an open mind. I don't know. I might

764
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: be barking up, barking up the wrong tree with humans,

765
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: but we'll see.

766
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm interested and whatever that is rich.

767
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: Me as well.

768
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'll ever get start. I

769
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: don't know a lot about podcasting and the people to

770
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: get it organized and stuff, but I'm behind the scenes

771
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: getting it ready.

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00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 5: Well you let us know, and when that time comes,

773
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 5: you have my one hundred percent full support.

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Speaker 3: Such a pleasure, both of you. Thank you very very much.

775
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: Man. You are hilarious. Your take on this show is

777
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: very unique and really really interesting to listen to, So again, everyone,

778
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Speaker 1: make sure you go follow Richard Hatch on social media,

779
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: find out more about Deeper, and we'll be back again

780
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: next week to recap episode two of season fifty of

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Speaker 1: Survivor right here on by order of the faithfuls, See you, guys,