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Speaker 1: with another episode of information and instructions to help you

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Speaker 1: navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,

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Speaker 1: Attorney Jamica Western.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, how are you good? Thanks for having me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely and hard things at the Western Law.

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Speaker 4: They're great, they're growing, they're changing, starting a new partnership,

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Speaker 4: so you know it's exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that park West, Yes, you know you

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Speaker 1: parted it up with Seanda Parker. Yep, you know, great name,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it's right there in your face, like

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Speaker 4: I mean, I wanted to be West Park because I'm

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Speaker 4: it to be West Park, But of course there's West

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Speaker 1: Well, park west sounds good because you know the p

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Speaker 3: Sounds better anyways, you know, was my ego.

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Speaker 1: It's smooth, It's really small. How is collaborating going from

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Speaker 1: like being your own business entity and being your own

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Speaker 1: Shana Hies, that working out?

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're still doing the same growing pains, just

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Speaker 4: like you would start any new relationship. But being a

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Speaker 4: and so it's collaboration is really key. She has a

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Speaker 4: so it just adds a new lens to everything. We're

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Speaker 4: able to pull our money together, just go over different ideas,

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Speaker 4: You can, I guess, double your money, double your profits

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not just just you thinking of new

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Speaker 4: So and the fact that she's able to she may

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Speaker 4: Yes, just because you're guilty doesn't mean your rights weren't

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures. If

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Speaker 3: And I don't see why people don't quite understand that.

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Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with what you did, what

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Speaker 1: What if a person has a history of violence against women,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I only have had maybe two cases dealing with children.

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Speaker 1: I had asked. Uh. The reason why I asked that

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Speaker 1: I absolutely do believe that that he has a penchant

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Speaker 4: You're like, I mean, I think that was a really

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Speaker 1: But how do you get three or four of those? Though?

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Speaker 3: Just like I just wanted him to leave. I didn't

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Speaker 1: See. I don't believe in taking money out the pot either.

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Speaker 4: And it's not really that it's a balancing test because

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Speaker 4: not actually deliberating.

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00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: And thinking about what they're doing, you know what I mean.

438
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: And then once you're in the system, once that arrest happens,

439
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 4: whether or not the case gets dismissed, that arrest now

440
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 4: you're in the system.

441
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: And say, for instance, if you have if.

442
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: You have a dw I, it could have it could

443
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 4: be dismissed, or you might be on probation. But anytime

444
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 4: you get pulled over, they're gonna see, hey, he got

445
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 4: a DWI last year. It's ten o'clock tonight, nine times

446
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 4: out of ten he's been drinking, So now let me

447
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 4: start that investigation. And so that that's when you have

448
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: people with multiple d wis. So I mean, that's just

449
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 4: where we are with it.

450
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like, that's a good point that

451
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: you made about how they look at your history, because

452
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with driving with a clean record.

453
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: Like I have a clean driving record. I haven't always

454
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: had a clean driving record. So in the past, if

455
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: I got pulled over, they're looking for this, this, that,

456
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 1: and the third. But once I clean my record up

457
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: and I fought every time. Every time I got a

458
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: speeding ticket or whatever type of traffic ticket I would get,

459
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I fought it and I got it off my kept

460
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: it off my record. Now when I get pulled over,

461
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I get the benefit of doubt because I have a

462
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: clean driving record, yep. And so the same thing happens.

463
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: If they see that, you know, they, like you said,

464
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: they get behind you and they running those plates and

465
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: they see, oh, you got too drunk, too drinking and driving.

466
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh he probably drunk right right about now. Let me

467
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: pull him over exactly. And if they follow you long enough,

468
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: you're going to commit a traffic infraction. Yeah, if they

469
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: follow you long enough.

470
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: You're driving too slow.

471
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, driving too fast right limit. I didn't know that

472
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: they could. That could be suspicious. Actually driving the exact

473
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: speed limit could be suspicious.

474
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: You failure the turn signal, the light on top of

475
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 4: your license plate went out.

476
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: Like it's just any it's just anything.

477
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: And so to me, I just don't believe in again

478
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: weaponizing a system, even with parents. Parents do it to

479
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: their own children. You know, you know, Tyron is out

480
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: of hand. I'm tired of him.

481
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: Next time, I'm going to call the police.

482
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 4: And then it's just like, you know, I let him

483
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: sit in there and you know, let him learn his lesson.

484
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: But it's just like now you have started this cycle

485
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: that anytime something happens, he's going.

486
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: To be the one that's going to get arrested.

487
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 4: And so when you say criminal history, that's one thing

488
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 4: I hate is like the fact that your criminal history

489
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: can be used against you in the way that it does.

490
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 4: Because what is the purpose of me paying my debt

491
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: to society if you're gonna continue to just bring it

492
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 4: up and throw it in my face?

493
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Right?

494
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense.

495
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of like buying a car and forever paying

496
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: a car note, Like, damn, I was supposed to pay

497
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: this car I paid his car, you know, last year,

498
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: But here we are, y'all still sending me invoices to

499
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: pay this car note. Like I've already paid the car off.

500
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: You want me to continue? Oh, I pay that car

501
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: off fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, but y'all still

502
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: sending me invoices to pay the note. Y'all still telling

503
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: me that I'm behind on payments.

504
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad, But don't get me wrong.

505
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: I'm not saying everybody who's caught up in the criminal

506
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: justice system is innocent.

507
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.

508
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 4: But sometimes it's just like y'all can't just give people warnings.

509
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what they do they do? They just pick and

510
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: choose who they're gonna get that one to two.

511
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: That's true.

512
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: They got a latitude, just like judges. They have a

513
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: lot of latitude, and I personally think that they have

514
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: too much. I think the judges have too much latitude.

515
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: I think the police have too much latitude. They get

516
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: to decide, well, you know what, I'm gonna give you

517
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: a break, you know what you're going in. It all

518
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: depends on a lot of latitude, depends on attitude, and

519
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times, and a lot of times it

520
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: depends on their skin color. You know. Yeah, let's say,

521
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: God forbid, I'm involved in a criminal case. I go

522
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: to court on the first day. What should I expect?

523
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: Do you have a lawyer or not?

524
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm broke?

525
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you go in, like I said before

526
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: my video, you're gonna go in. You're gonna speak to

527
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: the judge. The judge, may it monitor your video on Instagram? Yes,

528
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 4: so the judge is gonna pretty much admonish you. So

529
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 4: depending on what kind of case, If you have a DWI,

530
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 4: the judge is gonna to figure out was it a

531
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: drug DWI or was it you know, alcohol, So the

532
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: judge may say, hey, you're gonna get Depending on what

533
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: your BAC was. We're gonna get you a breathalyzer, deep

534
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: lung device that you have to blow into inside of

535
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: your car. You might have to do random your analysis.

536
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 4: You may have to do a few drug classes. This

537
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: is all why you're just on bond.

538
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Right.

539
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: You can't have your firearm, you can't pick up any

540
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: new cases. The issue what happens with with bond is

541
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 4: the longer you're on bond, the more your risk is exposed.

542
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: Because you're on bond for a DWI. So if you're

543
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: driving your car and you get pulled over, like I said,

544
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: they're automatically gonna suspect that you probably are driving under

545
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: the influence again, right, Or they're gonna just make sure

546
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: you have your breadth lodge of device you're in a

547
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 4: car that has a breathalyzer. Or they're gonna make sure

548
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: the person you're riding with, the woman that y'all don't

549
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: have a protective order in place and you're violating that.

550
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 4: They just look for different things to I feel like,

551
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: bring you back to jail. That's why I said probation,

552
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: all of that bond, all that stuff is just slow

553
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: walks back to jail. You know, what I'm saying. And

554
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: so the longer you're on bond there there's people what

555
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: people don't understand. People are on bond two three years.

556
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: The dockets are backed up. Especially with COVID happening, we

557
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: were already backed up. So if you're on bond and

558
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: you pick up another case in a different county or

559
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: something like that, right back in jail, and then a

560
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: case that I was working on getting dismissed, they taking

561
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: that offer off the table.

562
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: So it's a lot that goes into it.

563
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: But for your first seting, just to get back to

564
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: your point is they'll ask you whether or not you

565
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: want an attorney. If you can't afford an attorney, they'll

566
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: appoint an attorney for you, or if you need time

567
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: to hire an attorney, they'll let you and they just

568
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: reset the case and then the your case goes on.

569
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: It's just a number of resets intil your case gets resolved.

570
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a time where you had a

571
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: case that took such an emotional toll on you where

572
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: you had to step back to protect your energy.

573
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: No, not really, because at this point in time, I

574
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: kind of cherry picked my cases in the beginning.

575
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: In the beginning when God career heaven error.

576
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: Yes, so, yes, yes I have, but it wasn't to

577
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: the fact that I had to withdraw from the case.

578
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: It just showed me that these are the type of

579
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: cases that I really don't want, and so I just

580
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: don't take them right right.

581
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: Would you take a case that involved, I guess, a

582
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: client that had to snitch on a dangerous person? What

583
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: do you think about snitch culture?

584
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: First of all, snitch on a dangerous person. People aren't

585
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: really that dangerous anymore. I kind of came up in

586
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: a time and a place where there were certain consequences

587
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: for people who did.

588
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: Snitch or rat or tell.

589
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: And then I also grew up in a time where

590
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: people kind of were stand up guys like, hey, I'm

591
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: you know I did this.

592
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: I'm the one who got caught. And that's just it.

593
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: Nowadays, I mean, everybody's telling on everybody.

594
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: It's just really not worth it.

595
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're gonna commit a crime, you might

596
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: as well do it by yourself, because people are just

597
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: not holding up the way they used to. So to me,

598
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: it's just it's not even worth it at all. And

599
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: my business partner, she had a client the other day

600
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: and he was ready to tell on everybody, and he

601
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: hadn't even gotten a recommendation from the State of with

602
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: the punishment was gonna be. And I was just like, geezh,

603
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: tell God on Jesus, like, what's going on here? It's

604
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: just very pervasive.

605
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: Do you ever recommend that your client snitch?

606
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't recommend it. No, but I.

607
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: Will if it's part of a plea negotiation that they

608
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: want to take. I have to buy law let them know, like, Hey,

609
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: the state wants to give you this, but exchange in

610
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: exchange for it, you're gonna have to give them this.

611
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: And if they stipulate, it's gonna be in the paperwork.

612
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: So I mean, I can't judge at this point. I'm

613
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: just trying to get my client the best and the

614
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: most fair punishment that's possible. You know, he's gonna people

615
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: gonna preserve themselves. I mean, that's the first law of nature,

616
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: you know.

617
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: Have you followed the Young third case?

618
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: No?

619
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 4: Not really, not really, not at all, because only because

620
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: the way that I follow things. Sometimes I watch the news,

621
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm on social media, and a lot of times

622
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: those those outlets have inaccurate information. Again, it's biased information.

623
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: It's it's information that's just leaning toward one side, and

624
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: we don't know what all discovery the state has what

625
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: they're presenting. So I just try to work on my

626
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: own cases. I have enough cases of my own, enough

627
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 4: discovery of my own that I have to watch that.

628
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: I really don't care about what's going on with these rappers.

629
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if it's yeah, yeah, you know,

630
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: AI has been taken over. All of these industries have

631
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: been affected by AI, and one way or the other,

632
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: how has it affected the law industry?

633
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 4: Well, I did see where somebody just got reprimanded by

634
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: using a motion where AI created precedents. So all the

635
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: cases that were in the Yeah, all the cases that

636
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: were in the lawyer's file were made up cases. And

637
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 4: so he kind of from what I heard, he kind

638
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: of got reprimanded by the judge because I mean, that's

639
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: just lazy lawyer.

640
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: That seemed like that should be grounds for taking his certification.

641
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's g I mean, I don't know

642
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: if it's that harshses. Well, he didn't make up the cases.

643
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 4: G GTP made up the cases, But what he didn't

644
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: do was his due diligence. Because I think AI is

645
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: going to be a source.

646
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: You know you.

647
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: If you don't get on it now, you're gonna be

648
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: on the others, on the wrong side of history. So

649
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: you might as well use it to your advantage. But

650
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: don't abuse it. Don't make your whole case be based

651
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: on something you didn't even read over yourself. If that's

652
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: like letting a junior or an intern work a case

653
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: for you and you're just presenting it like it's yours.

654
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: If you let an intern work your case, you should

655
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: be dismissed.

656
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: Why an attorney is one person turns work on everything.

657
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: Okay, what about a murder case?

658
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 4: There are certain aspects, there are certain aspects of a

659
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: murder case that an intern can be useful for.

660
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: That's true research, yeah, research, But but you can't you

661
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: can't use an intern to argue.

662
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna write it now. Interns can

663
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: write briefs and memos and motions and stuff like that.

664
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 4: It's still the attorney that has to sign that motion

665
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: and adopt that motion, is it is though?

666
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 3: It's theirs? So yes, they do it all the time.

667
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about arguing the case?

668
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: And now, no, you can't, No, you can't argue the

669
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: case because quite naturally, they're not gonna they're not gonna

670
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: have to Well, first of all, they're not the attorney record,

671
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, So that's going to be

672
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: something different. But I feel like for me to get

673
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 4: up and are you emotion before the court, it has

674
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: to have something. It has to have my stamp, my

675
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: personality on it. Because that's like if I read a

676
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: speech right now, if you wrote it, I'm gonna read

677
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: it with a different type of tenacity than if I

678
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: wrote it and I feel it in it's mine, you know.

679
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: What I'm saying.

680
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: How much do you litigate?

681
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 4: I haven't been in trial in a few months. I

682
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 4: sat with someone in that case ended up getting dismissed

683
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: on the trial day, and then my last trial it

684
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: got dismissed day trial.

685
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do your family members try to get you

686
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: to represent them for free?

687
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of family here.

688
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

689
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 3: Or yes, but you know I charged my daddy.

690
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you charged your own daddy.

691
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: My mama made me do it. Why does she make

692
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: you do He was just like, we're not even.

693
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: He was one of my first cases actually when I

694
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 4: got out of law school, and she was like, no,

695
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna do this right, you're a licen's attorney.

696
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: Everybody, you know, he would have had to pay somebody else.

697
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: He needs to pay you.

698
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: I would pay my daughter, you know, my daughters.

699
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, my daughter's going to law school too in August.

700
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Its beautiful, Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, I would. You know,

701
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: I pay my daughter. You know, I paid. She works

702
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: for a firm right now, so she can't represent me,

703
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't know how long she'll be there,

704
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: but you know, like I would absolutely pay my daughter,

705
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, top dollar.

706
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 4: I was just I was just so glad that he

707
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: chose me and he trusted me, and I worked that case.

708
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: So I still end up getting him deferred adjudication because

709
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: he was there was just nothing I could do.

710
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, If we.

711
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: Defer adjudication is pretty good.

712
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 5: It's good.

713
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's as close as that as a diversion

714
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: as you can.

715
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

716
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but he did what he did, and

717
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: there was you know, facts are tricky things, you know,

718
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: and bodycam is another tricky thing. So it was just

719
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 4: you know, I couldn't I couldn't expose him to trial

720
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: because I knew he was gonna lose.

721
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, now do you Uh. There's a lot of

722
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: talk in the black community about the talk. The talk

723
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: meaning this conversation that black parents have to have with

724
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: their children in relation to dealing with the police when

725
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: they're acoustic by the police or pulled over in traffic

726
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: by the police. What their mannerism should resemble? What do

727
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: you tell? What have you told your children about the police?

728
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: The talk?

729
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: I tell my children the same thing that I put

730
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: on a lot of my videos. The thing is is

731
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: you can talk, and you can talk, and you can talk,

732
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: until you are faced with that type of authority, you

733
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 4: really don't know what you're gonna do, especially if you

734
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 4: are somehow wrong in a situation. Because we have been

735
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: conditioned to respect different levels of authority, right, and so

736
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 4: when we get nervous, you know, our you know, flight

737
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: or flight instincts kick in, and so sometimes I can

738
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: knowledge is only power if you actually act upon it. Right,

739
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: So I can tell you all day long, don't talk

740
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: to the police.

741
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: Right.

742
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: I got pulled over going to one of my favorite

743
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: brunch spots and he's like, where you had it. I'm like, Graces,

744
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: I didn't have to do that.

745
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: That's my spot.

746
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: I didn't have to do that, you know what I mean,

747
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: But because I felt like I ain't doing nothing wrong,

748
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: you know. But that question leads to another question, and

749
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: then another question, and then another question, and then now

750
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: we're separating you from your friend to make sure y'all

751
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: stories are the same. Then when it's not the same,

752
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: they're bringing the dogs out because it's suspicious. It's just

753
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 4: a lot of things that happen. So I just try

754
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: to tell my children, like, hey, don't do this, stay calm,

755
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: call me, put your phone on record. But that's a

756
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: lot of things to think about. When an officer is

757
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: right there breathing down your neck.

758
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: Well, you may not have time to call mom or

759
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: dad because you know, and you don't want to come

760
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: off like you're reaching for someone. You know, like they

761
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: see you're reaching for something. They will open fire on

762
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: a black person.

763
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: But that's why I said, when they light you, when

764
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: they first light you up, that's what you need to

765
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 4: be recording or on the phone with somebody, letting them

766
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: know what's happening where you are, turning on your location,

767
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: sending your location things like I that's like the biggest

768
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: thing my daughter will tell you. I'm not even so

769
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 4: much worried about my daughter because I have twins.

770
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: But when my son is out.

771
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 4: And he tells me he's getting pulled over, I'm trying

772
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 4: to get out of my bed and go to where

773
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: he is, as opposed to just listening on the phone,

774
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: because I have to make sure it is right. He

775
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: gets pulled over far more than my daughter does. And

776
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 4: I just always wonder what it is.

777
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: Black males, I mean black males in public enemy number

778
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: one in the United States of America, Like it don't

779
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: matter who do more killing and more raping and more

780
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: breaking the law. You know, we're on default with public

781
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: enemy number one, And so we have a different set

782
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: of experiences in this country, particularly when dealing with the police.

783
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: So when I spoke at I spoke at my law school.

784
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: I went to South Texas and you know that's you know,

785
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: predominantly white school. And when I was talking about the experiences,

786
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: like what would I tell my people to do when

787
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: they counter police officer, they kind of looking at me

788
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: like that's kind of you like selling out. We know

789
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: our rights, we have rights, and we can do this,

790
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 4: and we can say that. And I'm like, yeah, you

791
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 4: can ask the officer like what the aff did you

792
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: pull me over for? Like it's you see that a

793
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: lot on social media where they just really handle police

794
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: officers and get treated kindly and fairly. I tell my son, listen,

795
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: if you don't do nothing else, you better just do

796
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: what the officers is and we can deal with that later,

797
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: because I want you to come home.

798
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: That's a scary thing about dealing with the police and

799
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: just moving into society. And this black skin is that

800
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: when you talk to these different people in different cultures,

801
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: especially people in law school. Like I remember speaking at

802
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: U of Aged law school about maybe twenty years ago

803
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: or so, and I was telling them about my experience

804
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: in America, specifically Houston growing up, and they were looking

805
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: like like they couldn't believe it, like it was unbelievable,

806
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: like I was an alien or something. It was a

807
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: total different experience from them. And this is why. And

808
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: people keep in mind, these are lawyers. These are supposed

809
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: to be people that are smarter than the average person.

810
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: They're supposed to have a little bit more worldly knowledge

811
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: than everybody else. These are lawyers representing human beings. These

812
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: are people who are supposed to have a certain level

813
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: of education when it comes to sociology, and these people

814
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: have no clue about the experience that black people face

815
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: in the United States of America. And these people are

816
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: going into the courtrooms prosecuting, judging, and representing black people.

817
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have judges on the bench criminal cases who've

818
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: never practiced criminal law. I think the best thing that

819
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 4: could have ever happened to me was me actually growing

820
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: up in the hood to do the practice that I'm practicing.

821
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 4: Growing up in the hood and seeing these things happen,

822
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: and then having some experience and going to law school

823
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: ten years after I graduated undergrad so that was more

824
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 4: experience that I had. There's people who are going to school,

825
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: and they should do that, because that's what I encourage,

826
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: you know, children to do, is to go straight through.

827
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: But you really don't learn a lot of life experiences

828
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 4: by doing that. You are very educated, but I think

829
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: that you look at things from rose colored glasses when

830
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: you don't have that type of experience and you're representing

831
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 4: people who come from a different socio economic background and

832
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: you don't understand why they do some of the things

833
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 4: that they do.

834
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so that explains why some of these

835
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: people can be so heartless. I mean, how heartless do

836
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: you have to be to give a person seventy years

837
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: for stealing a snicker out of the store. Yeah, okay,

838
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: they got some prize, but in this particular instance, all

839
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: they did was still a sneaker. But they still a snicker.

840
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: They don't.

841
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 4: That's what I said. I feel like you can. You

842
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: should be able to look at a case for what

843
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: it is and look, yeah, you might have priors, but

844
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: how long ago are the priors?

845
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: You know?

846
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, is that person working right now?

847
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: That person is the person married, It has the person

848
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 4: contributed to society, like there are so many things that

849
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: but again, it still goes back to your criminal history

850
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: and what you have accepted previously. And that's why I

851
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: feel a lot of you you would be surprised people

852
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: want their cases over, even people who are on bond

853
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 4: in the free world. They will tell me, I'm tired

854
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: of this case going on. I need this case to

855
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: be over, get me time served. I'm a business owner,

856
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: so it's just like, Okay, you're a business owner, but

857
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 4: you're twenty two, you know what I mean, So who's

858
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: to say you're not going to get in trouble again,

859
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 4: or who's to say somebody's not going to pull your

860
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: record and your business explodes and they're like, hey, I

861
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: don't want to work with you.

862
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: You know, you.

863
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: Got this robbery case or this theft case from when

864
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 4: you were seventeen or eighteen, and it just sprowls out

865
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: of control, you know what I mean. People just a

866
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: lot of people don't care about their criminal record. They

867
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: don't because you don't. You don't appreciate it until you

868
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: don't have it anymore. You know, you're filling out an

869
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 4: application for an apartment, you know that you're gonna get it.

870
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: A person who has an assault on their their background

871
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: or a drug case, they're not getting that apartment. They're

872
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 4: getting in somebody else's name. And so that's when you

873
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: really open up your eyes and realize, like, Okay, they

874
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: got one over on me because I have all this

875
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: stuff on my record and then they're calling me trying

876
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 4: to get it expunged and it ain't coming off.

877
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or who's to say that? You know, who's to

878
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: say you want to be falsely accused? You know, because

879
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: you in your mind you can say, well, I ain't

880
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble again anyway, And so I'm just

881
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna take this case and get it over with it.

882
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: This just resolved to stay. And you know, sometimes there

883
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: are people who know that know your past, know you

884
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: have a past, and they'll accuse you of something, knowing

885
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: that they about to make your life a living hell.

886
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: People get falsely accused all the time, and it's not

887
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: always on purpose, it's just on accident. You are an

888
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: average built black male with a black T shirt on

889
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 4: the ball head.

890
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: How many people you think are walking around like you?

891
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: We don't think all black people look alike, but black

892
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: people think other cultures look like I might think a

893
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 4: lot of white people look like you. Don't think they

894
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: think we look like.

895
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: They do?

896
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 4: You know, So it's your eyes can deceive you, and

897
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 4: all it takes is an allegation for you to be arrested.

898
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: That's it. Why is it so hard to prosecute police officers?

899
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 4: I think it has a lot to do with the

900
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 4: immunity and things like that. Inherently, people just want to

901
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: believe that police officers are good people.

902
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

903
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: I think, you know, there's a very weird thought process,

904
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: and that's my own little conspiracy theory about a person

905
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 4: who actually wants to be a police officer. I want

906
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: to talk about it, but I have a little thing

907
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: about police officers that I just police socer.

908
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: I would never date one, I would never marry one.

909
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: That's just not my thing, you know what I'm saying,

910
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 4: because it's to me, there's a certain level of thought

911
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: that will go into you want to choose that as

912
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 4: a career. It's no slight on police officers, because there

913
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: are good police officers.

914
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: I watch body.

915
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: Camp all the time, probably more than the average person

916
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: would know. I've seen how they conduct their procedures, and

917
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: a lot of them are above board. But when I

918
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: see it go wrong, it goes really wrong, you know.

919
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: And a lot of times they just they're not up

920
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 4: to date on what the law is.

921
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: They really don't know.

922
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: Some people are new and rookies, so they don't really

923
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: know what they can and can't do, so they just

924
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: do it. And then you're in jail. They don't care anymore. Yeah,

925
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: your case may be dismissed. That's after a year that

926
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: you've been you know, fighting a case. It doesn't matter

927
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: to them, but your life has been completely overturned.

928
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that mindset you're alluding to, that mindset that

929
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: makes someone wants to be a police officer.

930
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 4: But it's just I don't I'm not trying to get canceled.

931
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: I just it's just a certain person. There's certain people

932
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: you can do jobs.

933
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: It's some that that is some, it's some, not all,

934
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: but for those some, I mean, sho feit wad what's

935
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: that mindset?

936
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, just like there's different industries.

937
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: People become lawyers because they, you know, are interested in

938
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: just and being fair and things like that. And you

939
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: see it throughout my throughout my life. You know, you

940
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: we talk all the time, and you you you know

941
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 4: that I'm a naturally curious person.

942
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: I ask a lot of questions stuff like that.

943
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: And so there's a certain personality that good teachers have,

944
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

945
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: And you can see what type of person a good

946
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: teacher is, you.

947
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. A lot of officers just I

948
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 4: don't know, they just have a certain personality they do

949
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: and I mean, I like a superiority.

950
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: That is that is that is yeah, because it is

951
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: what it is. And I do salute the ones out

952
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: there who are good I really do know some good

953
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 1: police officers. I mean I know them personally, really really

954
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: good dudes somewhere in my family. Uh. But those other

955
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: there are those, and they all attest to it. The

956
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: good police officers will attest there are those who are

957
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: on the force who have a chip on their shoulder

958
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: because they wasn't shipping school. You know, they wasn't ship

959
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: growing up in the neighborhood. They didn't get the girls.

960
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: Nobody cared about what they thought. Now all of a sudden,

961
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: they got a badge and a gun and authority, and man,

962
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna remind you every single day when they put

963
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: that badge one, they put that gun on, they put

964
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: that holster on, they put that vest on. They feel

965
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: like Superman and it's world shut. They like to holler

966
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: at you. I guess they get trained to say. They

967
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: get trained to talk loud, you know, to assert themselves.

968
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 5: Put it down, you shut up right now.

969
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: They like to talk real, real, live. They like to

970
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: make sure that their voice is projected. I'll just be

971
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: waiting on somebody to talk like. They give them that

972
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: same type of image, like.

973
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 5: No, you shut up.

974
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: What's your name?

975
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 5: Officer?

976
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: Who they do that?

977
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: What department.

978
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: Are you want they do do that? I see it

979
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: all the time, it happens.

980
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 4: But there needs to be more police officers, more good ones,

981
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: were good ones.

982
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got it. We got a shortage of good

983
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: police officers. How do we fix that?

984
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: Would you encourage more people to go?

985
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: We absolutely need more black people to become police officers.

986
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: And I know that some of you guys who are

987
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: police officers right now, y'all get a bad rap because

988
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: of you know, you're working within the system that is

989
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: that it's made really that was that was built on

990
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: destroying us. It's built on making sure that we get

991
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: over sentenced and persecuted, prosecuted. I got it, you know.

992
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: But there are people out there that respect what y'all do,

993
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: the good ones. I'm talking to the good ones, only

994
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: the good ones. Only the rest of you. Motherfuck but

995
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: you you're dirty, low down bastards. But you know, I

996
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: would I would employ those people out that might be

997
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: on the fence or whatever, may not necessarily know what

998
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: you want to do to become police officers, because you know,

999
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: and you know, police officers make a pretty decent living also,

1000
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: and most police officers do not have to deal with

1001
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: a bunch of a tension every single day they don't

1002
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: have to deal with. And most police officers are never

1003
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: going to have to pull their gun out in their

1004
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: entire career. They won't even have to pull a gun

1005
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: on somebody in their entire career. But it's a trip

1006
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: to how how the bad police officers do pull their

1007
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: guns out often. Uh, And they're like a microcosm of society,

1008
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: of society because the majority of people in each culture

1009
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, and each ethnicity group, it's there. The bad

1010
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: side is only like a small percentage. I'm talking about

1011
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: the ones who uh just commit crimes and wreak havoc

1012
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: on the neighborhood and society at large. It's a small

1013
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: percentage who commit most of the times. And uh, that's

1014
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: how it is with something this this police, these police,

1015
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: the policing. The majority of these guys who do the most,

1016
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: it's a small it's a small percentage, but that small

1017
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: percentage is responsible for ruining life. They kill people, They

1018
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: actually take people's lives, they give They are responsible for

1019
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: people spending the rest of their lives in prison. They

1020
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: uproot families, they destroy families, They destroy human beings lives,

1021
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: and so their jobs. Are their jobs are more consequential

1022
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: than others. Yeah, you know, the things that they do,

1023
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: the step that they take uh two uh to do

1024
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: their job oftentimes ruin other people's lives.

1025
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: There's I mean.

1026
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 4: The thing is is there's bad apples in every industry,

1027
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I don't want to

1028
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: make it seem like, you know, it's all bad because

1029
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 4: we need all we need police officers. We definitely need them,

1030
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 4: you know, to provide law and order. Yeah, we need

1031
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 4: good police or to be done in decency, in being

1032
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 4: fair and and not policing out of fear because I

1033
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 4: think the biggest issue with policing and over policing and

1034
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 4: black neighborhoods is the fact that they're just so afraid

1035
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: of black men.

1036
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: See, I don't I don't think that they're afraid. Here's

1037
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: why I think that. Here's why I don't think they're afraid,

1038
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: because they sign up for it. They sign up to

1039
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: go to the hood them motherfuckers, be at them motherfuckers

1040
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: being high school. Like I'm going to be a police officer.

1041
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the academy, and I want

1042
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: to work the black neighborhood because the black neighborhood. I'm

1043
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: going to the poor black neighborhood. I'm going to be

1044
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: able to violate people's rights. I'm gonna be able to

1045
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: steal dope, I'm gonna be able to sexually assault people.

1046
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to abuse people and harm people,

1047
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna have to pay any penalty.

1048
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: I don't think that there's a lot of people's life's

1049
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 4: goal thinking about in high school to recavoc on the

1050
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 4: black community.

1051
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: Not a lot.

1052
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: But when I say they fear us, is there's a certain.

1053
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: Level of violence that is associated with something happening between

1054
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 4: black men. Right, So if you see two white men

1055
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: arguing in a restaurant, you just look at them, maybe

1056
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 4: take your phone out.

1057
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: Hispanics, Asians.

1058
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 4: But it's something about when two black men are having

1059
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 4: an altercation, you know how ugly it can get, you

1060
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And so if we know that

1061
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: about each other, not saying it's everybody, but they just

1062
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: come in with a certain level of fear, and they

1063
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: also want.

1064
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: To get home to their families too, you know what

1065
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 3: I mean.

1066
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying it's all of them, but there

1067
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: is a level of fear that they have.

1068
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I think their level of fear has more to do

1069
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: with our potential to be successful human beings, to be good,

1070
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: decent people, to have a good life and a good family.

1071
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: That's their level of fear. Their fear of being having

1072
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: violence perpetrated against them. They don't fear that because they

1073
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: got the guns and they got the posse. They're the

1074
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: biggest gang in America. They got the guns, they got

1075
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: the possible, they got the guns, they got the vest,

1076
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: they got the gang, they got the authority, they got

1077
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: the backup by the government, the most one of the

1078
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: most powerful governments in the world. Them motherfuckerus don't fear

1079
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: us physically. They do not fear us because they got

1080
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: all the goddamn.

1081
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: Pod Understand, you could have power, but a lot of

1082
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: times the person who's most afraid will shoot.

1083
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: But my point is, I'm saying them bitches come in

1084
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: the game trying to kill black men. They want to

1085
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: kill black people. They want to harm, they want to

1086
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: hurt black people. They look down on black people. They

1087
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: want to come. When they come to the academy, they

1088
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: don't want to go work. I'm not saying, of course, oh,

1089
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about them, low down, low frequency motherfuckers. They

1090
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: come into the game wanting to work the black neighborhoods

1091
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: because they know that it's going to be little to

1092
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: know oversight. They know that they can commit crimes against

1093
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: the people in those communities and those crimes will go unchecked.

1094
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: They come in the neighborhood I live in currently, that

1095
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: shit ain't happening. That's gonna get shut down day one.

1096
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: When I roll through my neighborhood and I see the police,

1097
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: they do like this. And mister Dennis, when I was

1098
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: growing up, do you know, I never had an instance

1099
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: where the police was polite to me. The police never

1100
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: spoke to me. All the years, my eighteen years growing

1101
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: up in the hood, I never see the police was

1102
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: never friendly. The police was always very aggressive. They always

1103
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: had either a stoic look or a mean look. And

1104
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: the only time I would see them laughing is laughing

1105
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: when they would laugh at black people's pain. And maybe

1106
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: that was a body on the ground and they were

1107
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: over there cracking jokes about something or whatever. I don't

1108
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: know how you laugh when people are grieving, but they

1109
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: find a way to do it. The only time I

1110
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: would see them they would they never spoke. It was

1111
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: like they have a US against them mentality. That's why

1112
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: them hoes don't need to be working in our communit unities.

1113
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: They don't really need to be working anywhere, but especially

1114
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: where black people live. They should not be there because

1115
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: they're not for the people. If you you should not

1116
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: work in any community that you're not a part of.

1117
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: If you're not part of that community, you shouldn't You

1118
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: should not be able to work there. You should not

1119
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: be able to benefit from that community if your ass

1120
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: don't live there. That's my thoughts, especially when it comes

1121
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: to policing. But it's got to be a broader discussion

1122
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: because just saying that white officers should not work in

1123
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: black communities is not enough because they could still kill

1124
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: black people when black people cross that line. As soon

1125
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: as they cross that track, cross that bridge, you know,

1126
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: past that light, now they're fair game. They're still fair game.

1127
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: So the goal should be to get rid of these

1128
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: police officers who are basically clan members. They come in

1129
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: and they got a chip on their shoulder when it

1130
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: comes to black people. Think about so many people that

1131
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: you've seen on the internet. I'm sure you're on the

1132
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: internet a lot, and you see a lot of comments

1133
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: and stuff that people make. A lot of people make

1134
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: disparaging comments about black people. Those people become police officers oftentimes.

1135
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: So my point is that there's no that's really it's

1136
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: almost like it's not almost like I personally believe that

1137
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,959
Speaker 1: they have decided that, yo, we need to hire these

1138
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: type of cops so that they can harm black people.

1139
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: I think that there is a movement all over America

1140
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: when you want to be a police officer, Oh you

1141
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: don't like black people. Oh you come on, then you

1142
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: can be the dumbest basket in the world. You can

1143
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: be slow as hell. You ain't gotta probably even pass test.

1144
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: Your only test. I sometimes believe the only damn test

1145
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: is that you don't like black people. That's how you

1146
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: become a police officer. And what's up with the so

1147
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: called good police officers who allow these dudes to do

1148
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: what they do. You ain't done nothing, you ain't hit nobody,

1149
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: you ain't violated nobody, but you was Dare you stood by.

1150
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 3: Their acquest to it? If they don't do anything?

1151
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, maybe maybe that's something that AI can

1152
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 4: help with in policing and and things like that. You know,

1153
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 4: who knows, because at the end of the day, I

1154
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 4: agree with your saying, but how are we going to

1155
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 4: change it, because there's no way to legis. We could

1156
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 4: make laws and all that kind of stuff, but you

1157
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 4: can't legislate a person's heart. If they don't like black people,

1158
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 4: if they don't like brown people, and they are going

1159
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: to perpetuate that to their next generation, the next generation,

1160
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: the next generation, how are we going to ever overcome it?

1161
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: So it's two ways. One one, uh, you hold them accountable.

1162
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: They they have to be held accountable. That's number one.

1163
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: That that that would be the most you know, silvil

1164
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: way to deal with it. They held accountable for their

1165
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: actions through the courts. You know, you do this, you

1166
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: get this, you do this, you get this. Ain't no

1167
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: more passes just because you're a police officer. You know

1168
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the business just on just like black

1169
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: like black like, they hold black officers accountable. Black officers

1170
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: get held accountable when they get when they own the bullshit,

1171
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: when they when they crossed that line. Remember Mohammed Moore

1172
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: out of uh was it what's uh state with? I

1173
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: think it was Arizona somewhere I can't remember. But the

1174
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: black officer who killed the woman from Australia, Remember she called.

1175
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: She called the police. Police shows up at our house

1176
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: and the cop she walks up to the cop car

1177
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: and and the black officer shoots her from the passenger seat.

1178
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: He got spooked. He didn't know what it was, so

1179
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: he put a gun shot. Well that's the woman who called, y'all,

1180
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: and he killed her. And they didn't have to do

1181
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: no marching, wasn't no protestant, wasn't no boy gotten. They

1182
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: simply ran his ass straight through the system, gave him

1183
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: a twenty year sentence. First of all, fired him real

1184
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: quick like this gave him a twenty year sentence, gave

1185
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: her family a bunch of millions of dollars, and that

1186
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: case was over. I think they came back and reduced

1187
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: his sentence later, but they straight up railroad to him.

1188
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, no, you do this. They know how

1189
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: to hold black officers accountable. That's why you don't see

1190
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest reasons why you don't

1191
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: see black officers commend as many crimes as you see

1192
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: against the people as you see white officers doing, because

1193
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: black officers know they're gonna be held the countable, so

1194
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,479
Speaker 1: you hold them accountable first and foremost you know, through

1195
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, through the legal system. But then the other

1196
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: one I can't really talk about. But y'all know what

1197
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: the fuck I'm talking about. You dig what I'm saying.

1198
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 1: I mean because that and that that always work. Because

1199
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something that I know about America

1200
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: my time living here. America don't really respect nothing but

1201
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: blood and violence. I mean money, money, money and violence.

1202
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: You know, money and blood. That's it. That's all America

1203
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: really respect. If you want somebody get get somebody off

1204
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: your ass, and you want to get somebody's attention, talk

1205
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: about some some some blood you know, or some some money.

1206
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna get their attention just like that.

1207
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: I agree with you, and I think two things can

1208
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: be true at the same time. But I think that

1209
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 3: largely what people see are these major cases that go on.

1210
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: It really starts.

1211
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 4: On those small, low level cases where you're not gonna

1212
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 4: be able to actually see, uh, discrimination happen, even with

1213
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 4: a body cam, just officers being nasty to people. I

1214
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 4: think it starts there, pulling people over, pulling one certain

1215
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 4: type of group of people over more than you do others.

1216
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 4: I think that there should be auditing in place of

1217
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 4: what officers do yearly, how many people they arrest, what

1218
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 4: the demographics are with the reason with the outcomes where

1219
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: charges filed on this group, was it dismissed against this group?

1220
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 4: So of course with consequences and repercussions, But we have

1221
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 4: to get to the bottom of like who this person

1222
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 4: is as an individual, how do they treat people? Because

1223
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: they are supposed to be community servants, correct, and most

1224
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 4: people just fear officers.

1225
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 3: Or just a them at all costs.

1226
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 4: When these are the people we're supposed to be able

1227
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 4: to walk up to and shake their hand and tell

1228
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 4: them thank you and things like that. But as far

1229
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 4: as those major ones where people whereas police shootings, that's

1230
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 4: when it's it's too far gone when it comes down

1231
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 4: to that, these officers, a lot of them are nasty

1232
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 4: in a way that people don't understand. When we as

1233
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 4: lawyers are watching body camp, it's just like, you didn't

1234
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: have to slam this person on the car, You didn't

1235
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 4: have to make them lay down on their stomach in

1236
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 4: the road and rain. Why did you do that? What

1237
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 4: was the point of that? And it happens a lot,

1238
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 4: and that's stuff that y'all you know, regular people don't.

1239
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: See, I got the answer the reason why they do it,

1240
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: because they're uncivilized, much uncivilized. Only an uncivilized mutt would

1241
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: do something like that. And I'll take it even further,

1242
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: an uncivilized high on crack, cocaine, meth, peels alcohol mut.

1243
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: That's who do that. These uncivilized MutS, And they all

1244
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: over the place. They're all over the place, and even

1245
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: when they get caught up, they still get the benefit

1246
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: of doubt.

1247
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 4: But I just want you to know too, just just

1248
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 4: in all fairness, the black ones are just as bad too.

1249
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, yeah.

1250
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 4: Proportionally they're not well there, Proportionally there's less black that's why.

1251
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: That's But that's why I said proportionally because if you

1252
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: look at if you look at if you take all

1253
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: the black officers, and you take the percentage of black

1254
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: officers who overstep their their their their their their authority,

1255
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: who stretch their authority and blow people's heads off, and

1256
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: ship you compare that to the white officers who blow

1257
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: black folks heads off. It's very, very, a very small

1258
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: percentage of that get down like that, you know. So

1259
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 1: let's keep in mind that there is a difference between

1260
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: the black how black officers operate and white officers operate.

1261
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 1: Because I can tell you this, when I get pulled

1262
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: over by a black officer, I am a whole lot

1263
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: more conference, a whole lot more at ease than if

1264
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: I get pulled off at a white by white officer.

1265
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: When I get pulled off at by a black officer,

1266
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: it's more like I'm getting pulled over by an officer,

1267
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: a cop, right, just a cop. He's a black cop.

1268
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm more at ease. But when I get pulled over

1269
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: by a white boy, it's like, I hope this motherfucker

1270
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,440
Speaker 1: ain't the one who got it on his mind. See,

1271
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: I gotta think, like, as a black man, this is

1272
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: the and every black man listening to me know what

1273
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. As a black man, when a white

1274
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: officer or even these days are hispanic officers sometimes pull

1275
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: you over, you gotta think, is this the one who

1276
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: got it on his mind? Because some of them come

1277
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: to the police force with that on their mind. They

1278
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: joining the police office, they're joining the police department so

1279
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: that they can kill black people in particular. That's a reality.

1280
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: It is, that is a reality. Uh So you know,

1281
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: we got two options. That's what it is. You know,

1282
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is. I'm just saying that, you

1283
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: know it, you got accountability on one side, and you

1284
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: got you know, you got you know, blood, and then

1285
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: you got money. You know what I'm saying. That's what

1286
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: it is. You know. Like, so that's not a foreign concept,

1287
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's how you you know, and

1288
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: a America, that's how you keep people off your ass.

1289
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's not a foreign concept at all.

1290
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: And even the cops out there that's listening know what

1291
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's not a foreign concept. You know,

1292
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: the first law of nature self preservation. But you're gonna

1293
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: do just sit around, just let somebody violate you in

1294
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: yours You just gonna take the violation and just keep

1295
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: on moving just because the law said this or that.

1296
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of like just allowing your child to run

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Speaker 1: over you just because the law say you can't put

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Speaker 1: your hands on them, you can't discipline in a certain

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Speaker 1: way or whatever. Nah, if you gonna come in here

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: and raise them, if you're gonna pay for this tuition,

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, if if you gonna buy these clothes and

1302
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: put provide the roof you know, and the utilities, and

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna get them all these nice things that they want,

1304
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: and you're gonna sit here and coach and teach and

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: preach and counsel and love and God. Then Okay, I

1306
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: listened to what you got to say, But until then,

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: kick rock, sucker, I ain't trying to hear none of that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's funny that you say that,

1309
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 4: but I have a lot of assault cases with parents

1310
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 4: against their children too, So I don't I don't know

1311
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 4: if they took that approach to tell the police officers

1312
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 4: to kick Rocks, but.

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Speaker 3: They definitely went through the process of going to jail

1314
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 3: and have you know assault of a child on that record.

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Speaker 1: Well, but there are there are and I'm glad you

1316
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: mentioned that because there are parents out there who do

1317
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 1: assault their children. And I think that there's a difference

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: between discipline and abuse me too, you know what I'm saying.

1319
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: So if it's disciplined, you know, I'm with the parent,

1320
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,919
Speaker 1: But if it's abuse, you know, I'm with the system.

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm with the people, you know, because I'm with the child,

1322
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: because you know, if you are putting hands on your

1323
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: child to the extent where you're breaking skin. Your child

1324
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: requires medical attention. Nah, Pardoner, that ain't abuse. I mean

1325
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: that ain't that ain't discipline. That's abuse, and your ass,

1326
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: your ass should be in jail.

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01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: I don't believe in what soft parenting?

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01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: Soft parenting? Uh, what do you mean by soft meaning.

1329
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 3: No physical discipline?

1330
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 1: I think that you can physically discipline a child early

1331
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: on if you if you do it the right way. See,

1332
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: you have to invest in the outcome, you know, like

1333
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: you're raising human beings and you have to think to yourself,

1334
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: nobody really loves somebody that puts their hands on them.

1335
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: You know, you got to think about what the meaning

1336
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: of that when you put hands on a human being.

1337
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: When kids are very small, you can little tap here,

1338
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: tap that, or mind you don't stick your hand or

1339
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: that that's gonna harm you. You tap them so they

1340
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: don't hurt themselves, right you. Oftentimes you correct them so

1341
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: that they don't hurt themselves. The tap is to correct them, right,

1342
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: It's not to make you feel better. Oftentimes parents beat

1343
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: their children, put hands on their children, swing on their

1344
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: children because they lost their temper. They're being childish, they're mature.

1345
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: They really don't supposed to have children in the first place,

1346
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: because they ain't fixed themselves. Before they brought another child

1347
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: and human being into the world, they really wasn't qualified

1348
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: to even have children, but they had children anyway, and

1349
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: now they don't know what the hell to do when

1350
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: they scream and they cry, they don't know that if

1351
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: a child is crying most of the time, if it's

1352
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: an infant, most of the time, the baby's going, it's

1353
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: because the baby is wet, you know, the baby need

1354
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: a change diaper, or the baby is hungry, you know.

1355
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: And the next thing is perhaps the baby is ill,

1356
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: so you take them to the hospital. You check that out.

1357
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: Those three things check out. That's it. That's pretty much it.

1358
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of parents parents don't understand that, you know,

1359
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: a lot of they don't understand that, hey man, crime

1360
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: is part of the game when you're raising children, you know.

1361
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: Like so when it comes down to putting hands on children,

1362
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think that it's a problem. If corporate

1363
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: punishment is your first instinct, if that's your first go to,

1364
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: if that's your primary go to, you are doing something wrong.

1365
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 1: And if you're still hitting you're having to put your

1366
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: hands on kids at fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen. You've done

1367
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: something wrong. You're doing something wrong. Now, I do know that.

1368
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: At sometimes you ain't had no problems. You had no problems,

1369
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: You had no problems in all of a sudden fifteen,

1370
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, he signing up football players, he's sizing up

1371
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: the girls that he the guys that he's competing against

1372
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: for girls and stuff like that, and he figured like,

1373
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: if he can handle this guy, he probably can handle

1374
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: daddy and all that. So I know those days come right.

1375
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: I know that happens. But if physical punishment, it's your

1376
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: first instinct with your child. When your child commits an infraction,

1377
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: you're doing something wrong. And I just don't believe in

1378
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: that shit. The most effective thing for most kids is

1379
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: that you take something away from them, you take away

1380
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: their privileges, and that I know worked for my kids.

1381
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: For me, Look, I got enough ass whoopings for a

1382
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: whole tribe, you know, a whole African tribe. I got

1383
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: ass whoopings. It did not help. It didn't help. In fact,

1384
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: when I went out and did certain things, I did

1385
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: it because I felt like my mom, I don't care,

1386
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: no way, I'm gonna get it. I get whoopings and

1387
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: stuff for shit, I ain't even do you know. I

1388
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: get beatings that I felt like I didn't deserve. I

1389
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: get you know, you know, hit slapped or whatever. So

1390
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: all that beatings and shit didn't do nothing to me.

1391
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: It made me. Know what it made me do. It

1392
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: made me go out and rec havoc on the community

1393
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: they at large. Made me go out to the school

1394
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: and recavoc on my schoolmates and classmates. That's what it

1395
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: did to me. People talk about, well, you know today,

1396
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: you know a lot of these kids they need ass whoopings,

1397
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's a lot of money in these

1398
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: comments right now going just yeah, they need to ass whoop,

1399
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: they need to ask whip. But have you ever thought

1400
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: thought that a lot of kids who are in detention

1401
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: centers and who are doing time in prison right now,

1402
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: who have been slaughter than the streets probably got their

1403
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: ass whipped too much?

1404
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 3: Perhaps, Yeah?

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01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: You know, so, yeah, I do think that. I do

1406
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: think that they're sometimes, you know, there's a time, but

1407
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: as far as swinging on your child, putting your physical hands,

1408
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,839
Speaker 1: swinging on a kid, handling your child like there's somebody

1409
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: in the streets that ain't it, calling your daughter a

1410
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: bitch a hope, motherfucker. This nigga is talking to your child,

1411
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: your child like that, like a person in the streets.

1412
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna get what you get. They gonna get you back,

1413
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,799
Speaker 1: sooner or later. You're gonna get it. You don't understand

1414
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: it now because you ain't that smart. You ain't got

1415
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: enough sense, you see, But they gonna get you back.

1416
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna get it one way or another, even if

1417
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: they don't personally put hands on you, the way they

1418
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: treat you, the way that they deny you access to

1419
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: your grandchildren. Oh, you're gonna feel it. Sooner or later.

1420
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna feel it. Hey, let's let's let's switch gears

1421
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: for me. Let's let's turn the corner and go to

1422
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: the go to the civil side of things, the civil

1423
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: side of it. Let's say I was involved in an

1424
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: accident and I need an accident attorney. But what's the

1425
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: first thing that I do And what's the first thing

1426
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: that people typically do when they get in an accident.

1427
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the first thing that they do

1428
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 4: wrong is they get on social media and they say

1429
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 4: they show the picture of the car if it's mangled

1430
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,480
Speaker 4: or whatever, and it's thank you. God, I walked away unscathed.

1431
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 4: I'm walking, I'm dancing.

1432
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: You can't give them no money now.

1433
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 4: Right two days later you got you're in the neck

1434
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 4: race because at adrenaline had you pumping that you're alive,

1435
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 4: and now you're hurt. You're really hurt, and you've been

1436
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 4: on social media. You got to post up. And I

1437
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 4: think that's one of the main things. I think a

1438
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 4: thing that they don't do enough of is take enough pictures.

1439
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 4: A lot of people, you're just you have a one

1440
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 4: track mind. You're focused on your vehicle and what's going

1441
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 4: on with your car, and you don't take a picture

1442
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 4: of the whole scene so we can see what's going on.

1443
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 4: I've gotten pictures from people and I don't even know

1444
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 4: what part of the car it is. And so I

1445
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 4: think that we have these beautiful things called smartphones and

1446
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 4: we record almost everything, but when it comes down to situations,

1447
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,759
Speaker 4: people act like they're scared to take their phones out.

1448
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 4: And a lot of times with car accidents, people are

1449
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 4: afraid of, you know, because they've been having a lot

1450
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 4: of road rage situations going on. So people don't even

1451
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 4: want to get out of their cars anymore to assess

1452
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 4: the damage, because now you're having an altercation with somebody

1453
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 4: on the side of the road who could very well just.

1454
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: Push you in the traffic, put out a gun in

1455
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: shoot right.

1456
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 4: So I think that if they just stay calm, know

1457
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 4: where everything is, call their attorney, get the medical medical

1458
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 4: treatment that they need, exchange information, make sure that if

1459
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 4: they have witnesses, they stay on the scene. Let the

1460
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 4: witnesses give their version of the facts. That's going to

1461
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: support your version of the facts, because if you go,

1462
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 4: if you don't wait for the police, you'll be surprised

1463
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 4: at how people conjure up different stories when you could

1464
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 4: clearly see what happened. You know, I had somebody who

1465
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 4: told me that my client backed up into them. He

1466
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 4: clearly ran into my client, and he told his insurance

1467
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 4: company that my client backed into him rammed him.

1468
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: So what's your viewpoint on gun control.

1469
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 4: I believe in our Second Amendment right to bear arms.

1470
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 4: I have firearms in my house. I believe that their tools,

1471
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 4: just like any other tool, well, you have to have

1472
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 4: proper education. I think that you have to have proper training,

1473
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 4: you have to know what's at stake when you have it,

1474
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 4: and you just have to be overall responsible. In terms

1475
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 4: of regulation, you can't regulate a criminal. Laws aren't for criminals.

1476
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 4: Laws haven't stopped criminals from committing crimes since the beginning

1477
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 4: of time. I think that it's people who are irresponsible

1478
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: with some of the rights that they're given that we

1479
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 4: have situations that we have, you know, just everybody is

1480
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 4: not supposed to have everything. Now, in terms of us

1481
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 4: just having open carry right now, I don't think there's

1482
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 4: been a problem with it. It kind of was scary

1483
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 4: at first because you think that it's just going to

1484
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 4: be this lawlessness and these vigilantis just walking around with

1485
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 4: firearms in their hands.

1486
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: But it's just it just hasn't been like that. I

1487
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 3: believe that.

1488
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 4: Even convicted feelings should be able to restore their rights

1489
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 4: and carry firearms because if I have a felony for

1490
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 4: credit card fraud, what does that have to do with

1491
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 4: me protecting myself?

1492
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: So that's just you know, my view on it.

1493
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, going to what you said earlier, like I think

1494
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: that you know, once you serve your time, your debt

1495
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: is paid. Like like, let's say I don't care what

1496
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 1: the crime is, I don't care what it is. If listen,

1497
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: if you're gonna let me out of jail, give me

1498
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: my rights. You know, if I'm that much of a criminal,

1499
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: if that, if I'm if I'm a danger to society,

1500
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: do not let me out. Don't let me out of jail.

1501
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: If I'm a dangerous to society. But if I if

1502
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm let out of jail, if I'm released, I should

1503
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: have all my rights restored. Give me, give me a

1504
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 1: shot at getting it all the way right. Since I

1505
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: have to steal a bide by the laws like everybody else,

1506
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: I still got to pay my taxes like everybody else.

1507
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: I still can't just drive reckless if I want to.

1508
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: I can't drink a drive, you know, like if you're

1509
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna take my if you're not gonna treat me like

1510
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: the rest of society, the rest of the citizens. If

1511
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to have my full rights restored, then I

1512
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: should be able to drink a drive. I should be

1513
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: able to just ride around shooting people and if I

1514
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: want to, uh, I should be able to not have

1515
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: to pay taxes. I'm treat me specially, like, give me

1516
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: all a special treat The.

1517
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 4: Only pushback I would give you is the fact that

1518
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 4: you just said earlier, what about that man who has

1519
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 4: three different assault cases on his record. If you feel

1520
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 4: that same way about him yourself, you have to feel

1521
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 4: the same way about him whether or not he has

1522
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 4: three convictions on his record, he gets out of prison,

1523
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 4: he gets another sault case on his record, that still shit.

1524
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 4: You should only judge him by the one that's before you.

1525
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 4: So it's just like people often vacillate between you be

1526
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 4: surprised at when we talk to jury's how people believe

1527
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 4: that certain things should go for one way and certain

1528
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 4: things should go another way.

1529
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 3: They believe that if you're.

1530
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 4: Sitting across from them at the table defending your case,

1531
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 4: that obviously something must have happened.

1532
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 3: You must have done something.

1533
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 4: If you don't testify your own trial, you must be

1534
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 4: guilty of something. Because if I was being charged with something,

1535
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 4: I'd want to tell my side of the story. So

1536
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 4: people often go back and forth about what should happen

1537
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 4: and what shouldn't happen, And usually when it when it

1538
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 4: when they make it personal, then that's when they can

1539
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 4: be fair.

1540
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when they when they do testify, they say, oh,

1541
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: you think he's smarter than everybody else. He's trying to

1542
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: testify to put a fast one on us. So you're

1543
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: just like, you're damn it if you do damn if

1544
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: you're don't.

1545
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 3: I think you're damned if you get arrested.

1546
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 4: Like just putting yourself in that cycle, not saying you

1547
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 4: put yourself in that cycle, just being in that cycle period.

1548
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 3: It's just a tragic situation because I.

1549
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 4: Know for a fact that there's sometimes where I know

1550
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 4: my client didn't do something, but they just don't represent

1551
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 4: vent themselves well. So I'm not about to let you speak.

1552
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 4: You know, I tell the jury when I pick a jury.

1553
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 4: Some people think, like if you look up and to

1554
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 4: the left and you're thinking about your answer, that that

1555
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: is indicative of a liar, right. But I had a

1556
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 4: speech impediment growing up, and so sometimes I have to

1557
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: stop and think of the word I need to say.

1558
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I'm trying to pull a fast one

1559
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 3: on you.

1560
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 4: That just means that I don't know what to say

1561
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 4: at that particular moment, and I don't want it to

1562
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 4: come off as a lie. So public speaking is probably

1563
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 4: the one of the biggest fears that people have.

1564
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 3: You do it quite well.

1565
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 4: You probably would be an excellent witness in your own case,

1566
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 4: but a lot of people just don't present themselves well

1567
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 4: talking being judged, having a you know, state your case.

1568
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 3: People just don't do it well. They just really don't.

1569
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 3: And so I think that.

1570
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 4: Is a big just not getting caught up in that

1571
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 4: system like and having a go off all the way

1572
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 4: going all the way that far. That's why I try

1573
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 4: to keep my case dismissed on the front side.

1574
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

1575
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: First and foremost, don't let them capture you. Don't get

1576
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: caught up in the system. That's first and foremost. Just

1577
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: don't get caught up in the system at all. But

1578
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: if you do, make sure you contact your nicol Western

1579
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,480
Speaker 1: because she is going to fight for you passionately.

1580
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 5: I do.

1581
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, people don't understand how much good lawyers because there

1582
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 4: are you know, bad lawyers. I'm a pretty young new lawyer,

1583
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 4: and so I'm still trying to make, you know, a

1584
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 4: great reputation for myself, provide you know, excellent service and

1585
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 4: then doing a.

1586
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 3: Great job with your cases. You get a reputation in

1587
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 3: the courthouse.

1588
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 4: If you're just playing cases out, if you don't do

1589
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 4: the work on a case, if all you're doing is

1590
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 4: getting people time served, as opposed to actually looking at

1591
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 4: the discovery and all that kind of stuff. You know,

1592
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 4: I have clients I argue with all the time and

1593
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 4: you're not Just be patient, Like, let me do what

1594
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 4: I need to do.

1595
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 3: Just be patient.

1596
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 4: I want to get dismissals are better than fighting with

1597
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 4: these people at trial. Just be patient.

1598
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 3: And so.

1599
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 4: I run cases by other attorneys like, Hey, is this

1600
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 4: what I need to be doing. It's a lot of

1601
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 4: hours I think about cases at night. I'm researching stuff

1602
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 4: at night. So it's a lot of stuff that lawyers

1603
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 4: do outside of the money that you pay them, especially

1604
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 4: if they really believe in a case, because your name

1605
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 4: is tied to these cases, and so it's just like

1606
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 4: you're in front of your peers presenting cases, so you

1607
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 4: want to do a good job.

1608
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Is it any easier for you as a lawyer to

1609
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 1: represent your client when he's in the free world versus

1610
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: being locked up.

1611
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 4: It's easier because I'm going to have more access to

1612
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 4: my client, being able to call my client if I'm

1613
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 4: looking at something and it's not right, It's definitely gonna help,

1614
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 4: as opposed to me having a schedule of time to

1615
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 4: actually go down to the jail. And then sometimes some

1616
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 4: attorneys don't see their clients until their next court date,

1617
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 4: which could.

1618
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 3: Be two months down the line.

1619
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 4: I don't want my person just staying in there, because

1620
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 4: really they're accumulating time. So the next time I see them,

1621
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 4: I could, you know, they could very well be eligible

1622
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 4: to get out.

1623
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 3: But who wants to do Like, jail.

1624
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 4: Is not a good place. I go to visit the jail,

1625
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 4: and I cannot stand doing that. So I can't even

1626
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 4: imagine being in jail having questions for your attorney and

1627
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 4: have to wait until the attorney comes to see you.

1628
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been in that situation, and have also been

1629
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 1: in a situation where attorney is not returning my phone call.

1630
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: And when you're locked up and your attorney is not

1631
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: returning your phone call, they're not trying to visit or anything.

1632
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: You're pretty much just in limbo. And man, it can

1633
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: run your high, it can run you hot. I've seen

1634
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: a few guys who when the attorney finally did show up,

1635
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: they attack them.

1636
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it happens, And I mean when you're

1637
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 4: in jail, nobody comes to see you enough, not your family,

1638
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 4: not your girlfriend, not your kids, and definitely not your attorney.

1639
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 4: You know, And a lot of times with people. Got

1640
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 4: to understand, I don't know how much you paid your attorney.

1641
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 4: I don't know how your attorney works, but.

1642
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: Well that was one of those on the cheap that's

1643
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: back when I didn't have none.

1644
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's unfortunate that you have to stay in

1645
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 4: custody for whatever you whatever your reason is, if you

1646
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 4: couldn't get a bond and you couldn't bond out.

1647
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 3: But my schedule doesn't.

1648
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 4: Permit me to come and see you every day or

1649
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 4: however many times you want me to, because I also

1650
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 4: have other cases.

1651
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,640
Speaker 3: So that's another thing too.

1652
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 4: When you're picking an attorney, you need to pick an

1653
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 4: attorney who's going to have time for you.

1654
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 3: If you're picking.

1655
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 4: Somebody who has five hundred cases on their docket and

1656
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 4: you don't want to deal with the associate or another

1657
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 4: attorney you know, being put on your case, if you

1658
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 4: don't want to deal with that, then you're going to

1659
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 4: have to make arrangements to pay for that. Yeah, because

1660
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 4: an attorney is one person. It can't be in all

1661
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 4: these different counties all at the same time.

1662
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: Right right. That's a good point because when you know

1663
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: those lawyers who run these meals, who have like five

1664
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: hundred clients, a thousand clients. The name sounds good, it

1665
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: sounds good, but how personal are they going to be

1666
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: with you and your case? You know, and when you

1667
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: are you're going through something. I don't care what it is.

1668
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: You know in your mind, you know you are the

1669
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: only client they have.

1670
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that's why you have to know what

1671
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 4: type of attorney is gonna match your attachment style.

1672
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 3: Right.

1673
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 4: So, if you're super anxious and have anxiety and have

1674
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 4: a lot of questions and you want to google what

1675
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 4: your attorney says and then ask questions about what you

1676
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 4: found on Google and all those kind of things, if

1677
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 4: you have an attorney who does not have time for that,

1678
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 4: then you are going to be often upset. Yeah, there's

1679
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 4: some clients who just like, here's the money, handle your business,

1680
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 4: let me know when I need to be in court

1681
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 4: or whatever you need for me, and that's it. So

1682
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 4: you just have to manage your expectations on that consultation.

1683
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 4: I know, I'm not gonna be everybody's cup of tea.

1684
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 4: You know, people already have in their mind like, hey,

1685
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 4: I be saying our Instagram.

1686
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 3: She'd be out too much. Whatever.

1687
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 4: You know, I need to I need a white boy

1688
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 4: or I need this lady over here.

1689
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 3: So I never care.

1690
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 4: When I'm not chosen to be somebody's attorney because I

1691
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 4: don't like complaints. I know what I'm gonna do with

1692
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 4: certain cases before I even start getting the discovery in

1693
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 4: the case, and I know how it work, so I

1694
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 4: know I don't need a person who's anxious who's gonna

1695
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 4: always be calling me and want me. Now, if you

1696
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 4: can call my office and my assistant and my paralegal

1697
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,839
Speaker 4: can give you the information you need.

1698
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 3: And that's that, then it's cool.

1699
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 4: But if you need me and a lot of people

1700
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 4: want their attorney, it nothing sounds right unless it's coming

1701
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 4: from my attorney's mouth to my ear, then that may

1702
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 4: not be the attorney for you.

1703
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 3: There's thousands of attorneys, you.

1704
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying, So you know, nobody's forcing anybody

1705
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,719
Speaker 4: to hire an attorney that you don't think is going

1706
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 4: to put your case in their best interest, you know.

1707
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: Well said, ladies, and gentleman Jamika Western, thank you for

1708
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: coming on, Michelle, thank.

1709
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 3: You so much for having me. It's been a long time.

1710
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Is that anything that you want to

1711
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: leave the people with?

1712
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 4: And then you can call my office. Western Law Office

1713
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 4: is two eight, one, three, nine, seventy eleven, seventy six.

1714
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 4: If you have a criminal matter, if you have a

1715
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 4: civil matter, even if you have a family matter. I

1716
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 4: know a lot of family law attorneys, different laws, different

1717
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 4: areas of practice that I don't take. It's better to

1718
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 4: be referred by a lawyer that you trust to get

1719
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 4: you the lawyer that you're going to be good with.

1720
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: So there you go. Well, I said, no more talk.

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by a King and brought to

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Speaker 2: you by the Black Effect Podcast Network at iHeartRadio