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Speaker 1: jin Alpha, myself, me and my friend David, we also

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Speaker 1: hit that woe with the best of them, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, goes the fuck amen fellas, And I'm just like you,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I watched Uh, I watched Monk, right,

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Speaker 2: I was right there with you watching Watch a Lot Order.

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Speaker 3: Was a great fucking show. Let's Let's have our fun

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Speaker 3: was a great fucking show.

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Speaker 2: I'm not stelling the monk. I love Monk.

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Speaker 3: You kids would do well to watch a little Monk.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you would n't act that way if you watched

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Speaker 3: a little monk. The government, chips in yours are racist.

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Speaker 3: The host, the money, OLTERNI stuff.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell me.

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Speaker 3: Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring,

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Speaker 3: gold all in my watch. Don't believe me. Just watch Nigga, nigga, nigga.

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Speaker 3: Don't believe me. Just watch there it is there it is.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My

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Speaker 3: Mama Told.

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Speaker 4: Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets

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Speaker 4: of black conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: And we finally worked to prove that line. Ritchie was

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Speaker 3: only allowed out of his commodore's contract if he agreed

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Speaker 3: to adopt a white child. You think they were letting

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Speaker 3: that that that brilliant man's money go back to a

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Speaker 3: black baby, to the black community. Absolutely not. We're making

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Speaker 3: that white money again. It's the only way you're getting

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Speaker 3: And that's what they did. I'm like Stin Kerman, I'm.

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Speaker 4: David boy, and I've never been more proud to call

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Speaker 4: you my co host.

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Speaker 3: It's Julie. What other explanation is there? Just two black

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Speaker 3: people adopting a white baby and being like, Yep, this

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Speaker 4: It's I've only ever even heard of it on your

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Speaker 3: It's a bald choice, even for a very rich black

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Here's would you do it? That's I think how

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Speaker 4: we need to open this. Would you guys do that? Wow,

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Speaker 4: that's a tough question. Would I adopt a white child?

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Speaker 2: I would adopt the right kind of white child. I

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Speaker 3: Okay, I like that. I think Greek sounds nice, a

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Speaker 4: That seems nice. But if you get an Eastern European,

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Speaker 4: he could still ball.

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Speaker 3: Oh get you a Luca.

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Speaker 2: True.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know the prices of babies racially, but

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. The Eastern European same wholesale to me,

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Speaker 2: I think you're play a dangerous game. I think you

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Speaker 4: Because that's the worry that man, right two minutes in,

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Speaker 3: They're calling you Papa, and they're biting your neck, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah I got you, but now I got a vampire

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Speaker 3: Oh you're saying you can, you can weaponize this vampire.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm saying that he will have a love

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Speaker 3: When are you going to be in need of a vampire?

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Speaker 3: We agreed on vampire, and I think that qualifies as monster.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with Vinnie. I don't we should introduce our guests.

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Speaker 3: We haven't even bothered introducing him. We immediately launched into

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Speaker 3: the hilarious Vinnie Thomas.

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Speaker 6: Everybody that was more ominous than it felt.

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Speaker 2: It was just they told me to expect sounds, and

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Speaker 3: That's the hard part. It happens at any time, and

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Speaker 3: it's such a formative conspiracy theory. I think in my

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Speaker 2: True, that's all true. Everything used that is true. I

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Speaker 3: So which when? Maybe is the gayest thing you can do?

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Speaker 2: For Yeah, one thing about gay people is we have amnesia?

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Speaker 4: So my question is first, because I know we all

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Speaker 3: I'll let you answer that first, because I do have

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I believed it, but I still

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Speaker 3: I feel almost exactly the same. I didn't believe it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are not the smart who inherit the earth. It's

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Speaker 3: Bory, did you believe it when you were a young lad?

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Speaker 4: I think I believed it in the way that I

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's culture, you know what I mean, Maybe there's

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Speaker 2: I will say I I was not out in school

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Speaker 2: don't know what about piercings and tattoos and still kind

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Speaker 3: Oh you know, you don't mean disgusting in like a

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Speaker 2: It produces a sound in them that is like a

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Speaker 3: Are your parents a what older, No, but.

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Speaker 2: My mom My mom is white but Italian white, and

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Speaker 2: of your peers. It wasn't the right one, guy, but

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Speaker 2: I did get one of your peers.

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Speaker 3: Still blew.

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Speaker 2: I still blew.

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Speaker 3: You me, bro brother. We both the piercing. I did it.

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Speaker 3: I guess I U, in theory, chose correctly for myself.

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Speaker 3: But that said, it all was very rooted in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing. When I went to get a pierce,

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Speaker 2: I went with a friend and he got his. He

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Speaker 3: That's you know what I mean. That's in saying.

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Speaker 7: That's genuinely insane for y'all not to like call it

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Speaker 7: I'll do one you do the other.

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Speaker 3: Good luck. My nigga is crazy.

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Speaker 2: One of us was gonna be right. You understand, one

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Speaker 4: That's beautiful kind of.

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Speaker 3: That's the closest thing to homophobic Russian roulette I've ever

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Speaker 2: And as a direct result, I'm gay.

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Speaker 4: And that is what happened that day that Claires A

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Speaker 2: That you just said Claire's was really fucked up? Was

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Speaker 2: it not a Claire's I didn't get my ears pisthetic.

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Speaker 2: I'd be terrified. Let when they used the same whole

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Speaker 3: I got bad news. I'm a Claire's man, through and

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Speaker 4: Claire's gay, Claire's get Claire's gay.

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Speaker 3: Claire's get the money dog.

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Speaker 2: You let a teenager stab through your ear and Claire's.

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Speaker 3: Stab it was. It was a little gun that they

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Speaker 8: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a huge mistake. Of course that's not the

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Speaker 2: Your mom took you to get your ear peers.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: She was a nice lady.

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Speaker 4: I do feel like, and maybe this is this, there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you, if you were a real man, you

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Speaker 4: It on the bus.

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Speaker 3: If you were you pretended it wasn't a business filled

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Speaker 2: Did y'all have those friends who did it themselves, who

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Speaker 2: they had terrible infections. Every time I hear someone tell

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Speaker 2: They were like affected that. It was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Brother, If your ear looks like it makes a ninja turtle,

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Speaker 3: you know, if it makes so. So, you obviously bought

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Speaker 3: despite what ultimately ended up being. You ended up being

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Sometimes. I mean I had an older brother,

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Speaker 2: sure you flip the coin the right way. Dangerous game.

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Speaker 3: Again, it does not have to be a coin flip.

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Speaker 3: You could have just researched.

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Speaker 2: With someone else and you each have to get one.

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Speaker 2: That's the way it works. Research, there's there's there's no

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Speaker 2: They got like, yeah, mushroom haircuts and dangly like cross

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Speaker 4: So my little brother wears two dangling earrings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The stress I would have had wearing this colored

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm walking into with this?

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Speaker 4: I don't have the strength. Better be a goddamn school color.

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Speaker 2: We better be fighting fusion tigers or absolutely.

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Speaker 4: You know what's funny to me about this conspiracy is like,

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Speaker 2: What a terrible signal?

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Speaker 3: What I think You don't think it's a great signal.

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Speaker 4: No, we It's like if you're trying to keep something.

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Speaker 4: See I could just look at your face the first

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Speaker 4: Like it's not you know.

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Speaker 3: What I mean, It's not like here's why I thought

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Speaker 3: It always takes me a minute to remember which ear

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Speaker 3: So it's like, ah, you got to sit there and

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Speaker 3: so you just ignore it and you move on with

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Speaker 3: your life. Absolutely, it's like, oh, it's subtle. It's very subtle.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this has to have come from gay

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Speaker 2: They had they had a language, they had secret little signals,

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Speaker 2: and it was you know, it was gay years. It

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Speaker 2: was the hanky code. It was all of this that

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Speaker 2: now is impossible to understand. Like to me, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: be like a Navajo code talker and to have like

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Speaker 2: oh shit, you guys aren't hidden at all, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, grinder used to be. You just got to break

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Speaker 3: alley wait for somebody to notice.

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Speaker 4: It is interesting you said the hanky code, because I

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Speaker 4: like a big thing, but it was forever. It was

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Speaker 4: like the color and the placement said what you were into.

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Speaker 4: But I knew a lot of very boring people who

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Speaker 4: also used it, like they really co opted that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some people with the hanky code. I don't think

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Speaker 2: you need a hanky for like missionary and eye contact,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something nasty with this. What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Did I I'm curious to know how much you felt

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Speaker 3: like something like this slowed your ability to finding your

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Speaker 3: queer self, to fully coming out and feeling sort of

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Speaker 3: settled in whoever you are, despite you know, the right

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Speaker 3: or wrong ear piercing quote unquote.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think the the ear piercing. I

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Speaker 2: don't think the ear piercing slowter. I think it was

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Speaker 2: an eventuality that I was gonna get my ear pierced,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Ultimately, I do think it

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Speaker 2: was destiny. And at the end of the day, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I don't think I ever absolutely believed it.

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Speaker 2: What you're afraid of is other people's reaction to it,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily the thing itself. I think it was more

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Speaker 2: afraid of having a hole punched in me, which on

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Speaker 2: the face of it is a completely ridiculous thing to

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Speaker 2: do for what so you can stick something in there?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't even make any sense, do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Human behavior is just kind of odd to

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Speaker 2: begin with. Yeah, I think it was more scared of

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Speaker 2: getting my ear pierced than being perceived as a gay

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Speaker 2: guy with his ears pierced. And no, I don't think

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Speaker 2: the ear pierce theory had any effect at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice. There's something nice that it didn't nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is because you fear that like this is somehow

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Speaker 3: an inhibitor to people sort of being able to to explore,

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Speaker 3: to find themselves as it were, and so like, hell yeah,

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Speaker 3: if if, if a bunch of the deeply rooted homophobia

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Speaker 3: from the eighties and nineties did not break anyone's brains,

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Speaker 3: I take solace in that. That makes me feel warm inside.

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Speaker 2: Oh damn, come on, s all right, I want to

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Speaker 2: be ampho again, protect myself because.

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Speaker 3: I'm also a coward. All right, We're gonna take a break,

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Speaker 3: and when we come back, we're gonna talk more ear piercing,

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Speaker 3: right and wrong, right and left, whatever you want to

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Speaker 3: call it. Uh, And it's more of any Thomas more.

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Speaker 3: My mama told me.

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Speaker 4: Back it on up to our conversation about piercings left right, gay, straight,

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Speaker 4: who knows? Who cares?

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Speaker 3: Who knows? Who cares?

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Speaker 4: That?

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Speaker 3: So your parents are disgusted by it? What was their

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Speaker 3: reaction upon uh saying that you had gotten your ear pierced?

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Speaker 2: First of all, I just like to acknowledge David's left right,

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Speaker 2: gay straight who cares, which truly sounds like an RFK

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Speaker 2: Junior campaign's logan.

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Speaker 3: But I say it with a shitty voice and we'll

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Speaker 3: buy in. Then I'll listen to God.

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Speaker 2: I think they've they've they've calmed down a lot I

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Speaker 2: think it was when we were kids. They were very

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Speaker 2: like their reaction to every now and then my brother

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Speaker 2: or I would float the idea of getting a tattoo

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Speaker 2: why would you Why would you do that? Why would

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Speaker 2: you mar your skin? And since then my brother's got

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Speaker 2: like he has a giant half sleeve. And now I

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Speaker 2: have my little hitty bitty piercing, which I think they

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Speaker 2: you give, like like you give a baby a year

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Speaker 2: after it's.

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Speaker 3: Born, like, yeah, we don't know who you are yet,

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Speaker 3: so here's something to remind us that you're alive a.

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Speaker 2: Little place older. Now they've chilled out, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think they're cool enough with it now. I think

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Speaker 2: if I asked my mom she would she would definitely

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Speaker 2: prefer it. I didn't get it, But what do I

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Speaker 2: care about her? He's not a gay guy.

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Speaker 4: Let's go Bory. Do your parents give a ship?

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Speaker 3: Does your mom? Is she an advocate? Is she anti?

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Speaker 4: Where is she?

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Speaker 2: Oh? No?

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Speaker 4: Shed all? Which is funny because now I'm thinking about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would have made no difference. So I don't know

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Speaker 4: what I was worried about.

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Speaker 3: As far as her judgment would have made because you

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Speaker 3: wanted to do it or no.

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Speaker 4: There's like, there's other fashion things I could have done

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Speaker 4: that she would have been a lot more upset about

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Speaker 4: out than the gay.

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Speaker 2: Year, Like what kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, just like going out being ashy.

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Speaker 3: She hates that.

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Speaker 4: It's just that's not really, that's not really it was.

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Speaker 4: It's not like to be well presented.

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Speaker 3: The classic fashion taboo. Being ashy is what she'd be

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Speaker 3: upset about.

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Speaker 2: Not you know, sometimes I'll go to the beach and

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Speaker 2: I'm just ashy on the right side to let them know.

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Speaker 4: The right.

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Speaker 3: That means I want to have sex in the water.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's an adapted hanky coade. Really, Yeah, as.

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Speaker 2: You on the right with a gray hanky also on

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Speaker 2: the white side the ocean. I feel like there are

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Speaker 2: worse things I could have done, Like I think an

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Speaker 2: earring is so tame. I feel like it's a kind

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Speaker 2: of surgical invention, and on the scale of surgical invention,

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Speaker 2: like I could have gotten insane lip fillers that make

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Speaker 2: it so your upper lip can't move you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Or like what are people doing now to getting their

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Speaker 2: bucle fat remove and they look like corpses. I could

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Speaker 9: You know it's your buckley, the bucle fat fellas fellas

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Speaker 9: you bule fat yeaes right here on your cheeks and

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Speaker 9: people are getting it sucked out so they look like whoa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just handsome squid word all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, handsome squidword face. You get it sucked right out.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where they put it.

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Speaker 3: Whoa, it's none of that's no, that's nobody, none of

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Speaker 3: my business.

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Speaker 2: Where they put it.

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Speaker 3: That's hippa. You don't violate that. Now you take it out,

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Speaker 3: we talk about it. But if you where you put it,

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Speaker 3: that's hippa. But yeah to all that, my mom would

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Speaker 3: be much more angry about that. What about you? Uh No,

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Speaker 3: My mom literally took me to go get my peers

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Speaker 3: saying my mom can for me to get a tattoo

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Speaker 3: when I was sixteen, which was a massive mistake, like

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Speaker 3: and remains stupid on my arm to this day.

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Speaker 2: Tattoo, what does it say? Like hustle, hustle?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you want to hear how bad of a choice

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Speaker 3: I made. I've never told this story before.

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00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: This is this a Kelly?

440
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: It is. It's a big old picture of R. Kelly

441
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: and it says, no matter what he does, I'm a fan. No,

442
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: it's so my first tattoo. I used to do performance poetry,

443
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: and I for at sixteen years old, was playing with

444
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: the idea of going by the stage name language Arts.

445
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 3: You know, Langston, Langston becomes language Arts, I swear to

446
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: God and I I then went to arguably the most

447
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 3: amateur tattoo artists in all of my community, and I

448
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: took my step father, my then stepfather's drawing of a

449
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: microphone that then the microphone chord turned into writing that said,

450
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: you guessed it language And I took it to that

451
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: amateur artist and I said, put this as big as

452
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: you can on my on my right arm police And

453
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: boy did he.

454
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: I didn't. Devil's Advocate.

455
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: You can get behind that, bro, I assure you you can't.

456
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't done well enough. It didn't look cool, you

457
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like all of it was a

458
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: mistake in every way, shape or form.

459
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: You gotta go to the right places, you gotta find

460
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: and grow sees that and she's like, you know, I

461
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: could speak a language.

462
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: Yo. I surely had a bunch of God hearing women

463
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: around me who were like, you, you should not have

464
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: done this, sir. This is not gonna make us fuck

465
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: you at all.

466
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: God language sounds like a woman at church telling you

467
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: not to swear. It just it sounds like a warning.

468
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: It was like a last name.

469
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: It was also I really thought I was doing something,

470
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I really thought I

471
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: was like no, I.

472
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: Thought, process though, is the thing I see where it

473
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 4: like if it was just a little too far over here,

474
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: if it was just a little back, it would have

475
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: been the coldest shit ever.

476
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: But when I was a kid, when I was in

477
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: high school, I saved up enough money to get a

478
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: class ring and I wanted to get the word kraavi

479
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: written on the side, which is like Latin for I create.

480
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: But I get the ring. The letters are so close

481
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: together it looks like cream. I said. So I saved

482
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: up all of my need to get this ring and

483
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: it looks like it says cream aside and I couldn't

484
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: wear it. The first thing, my friend said, friend Gustava,

485
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: he looks at it, he goes, what does cream. Mean, what.

486
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 3: The fuck are you talking about? Talking about this is Latin.

487
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: I create. I'm an artist. She's like, Nah, that's cream, dog,

488
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: that's cream. This cream get the money because if not,

489
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: you're weird as fun.

490
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cream King of Eastern Colorado was.

491
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: Damn the Cream King. We got to add that to

492
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: your intro. Episode is over. He's locally known as the

493
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: Cream King of East Colorado. I did a little bit

494
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: of research Cream King that I'd love to go. We're

495
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: with you, Phil Reid to agree with the disagree with it. Truly,

496
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: none of this means anything. But one of the things

497
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: that there was a quote that I guess I had

498
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: never heard the official quote, but I guess the official

499
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: slogan for this was left is right and right is wrong.

500
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all ever heard it. Phrase so

501
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: sort of eighties succinctly, but that was sort of the

502
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: phrase I guess said circulated around this theory.

503
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: Wait, can I ask did you read did you read

504
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: the same querity article where there's like there's a guy

505
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: on a bench holding a rainbow flag in his faces

506
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: collapsed into his hands. Because I looked up just as

507
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: a preliminary thing, I was like gay Year, you know,

508
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: and the queerity popped up. One of the first pictures

509
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: is this guy holding a little rainbow flag in his hand.

510
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: He's sitting on a bus bench like this, and it's

511
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: one of the funniest things I see.

512
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: I did not see that, but boy, do I want

513
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: to please send it to us, because my God, does

514
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: that What a silly thing to be, like, we're gonna

515
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: show a gay person, but they're not having fun with it.

516
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: All.

517
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: The point the left is right and right is wrong

518
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: was supposedly the the slogan that was circulating, and the

519
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: theory took the rise took its rise in the eighties

520
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: and early nineties, which is sort of odd. A more

521
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: recent study shows that a list, a company that sort

522
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: of tracks online shopping behavior, says that men getting ear

523
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: rings rose by one hundred and forty seven percent from

524
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. So we're seeing

525
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: a massive uptick compared to what I guess generally generationally

526
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: it used to be.

527
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: Did y'all ever hear that it might have started in prison?

528
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: I feel like everything where it was like mighty gay

529
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: was it's like, oh, someone would make up a myth

530
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: where it started like when people would sack their pants.

531
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: They're like, you know what that means, he's actually receptive,

532
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't actually know if that's true

533
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: at all. I think maybe you.

534
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: Just made that up.

535
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's just the deep, deep fear that

536
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: you're associating with another deep deep fear. You're like, I

537
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: don't want to go to jail, and I gotta find

538
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: ways of making it so that everything could send me

539
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: to jail or make me jail gay whatever. Yeah.

540
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: I also it's kind of weird to me that the

541
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: right side is the wrong side in this context because

542
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: this I feel like the left side is traditionally that's

543
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: the bad side, right, Like I didn't go to Catholic school,

544
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 2: but then people in Catholic school used to get their

545
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: left hand beaten if they used the left hand, because

546
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: that's the devil's quadrant. Is the left part of your body?

547
00:31:52,880 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: As a lifelong leftie, yes, ah no, that doesn't makes sense. Yeah,

548
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: I'm much handed.

549
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that.

550
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: They tried to teach me how to write write.

551
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh, they like really tried to fix you.

552
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeahma. My mam had to come in and

553
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: be like you're a stupid person. My genius baby boy

554
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: is left handy. He's gifted, he's brilliant. I think they

555
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: were just really, really well, they were really willing to

556
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 4: crash out on the idea of like, I don't know, man,

557
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: he's eating glue, he's trying to write with his left hand.

558
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: We got to get him out of here.

559
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: I got you. It was that you were writing brilliant

560
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: sonnets with your left hand.

561
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: You were being I was also throwing a lot of rocks.

562
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, lady, we got problems. Here's a list. And

563
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: your mom was like, well, he could be left handed,

564
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: he could be left handed.

565
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: Alone thought that.

566
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: Left hand contains multitudes violence on those five fingers.

567
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think this massive uptick sort of speaks

568
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: to what you were talking about before, Vinny of a

569
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: different generation, right, Like, even when I was a kid,

570
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: I got my I got my left ear, piers, but

571
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: I also knew better quote unquote better than to get

572
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: both ears peers. I think that was also considered like

573
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: gay when I was a kid to some extent, and there.

574
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: Was a weird crossover period. Yeah, I remember that too.

575
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 4: There was a weird crossover period where it was like

576
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: because it feels like we're a little.

577
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: How old are you Evenny twenty eight?

578
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we can relate that the same same.

579
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: Hey man, hey man, I love blue Eto. All right,

580
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: Literally there was a weird the dad, the mom, they're

581
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: all great.

582
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: You know their names.

583
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: I don't know their names.

584
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

585
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: I do want to say though, that to that point,

586
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: I do remember being really really young and having an

587
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: earring being kind of more of a statement, and then

588
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: being having an earring being normalized but having to being weird,

589
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: and then that transition because it was like you have

590
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: to be real fly to pull that shit off at first.

591
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 4: Two ear rings.

592
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: Fluctuations of culture so fascinating because at one point, like

593
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: it was the high femme like princes, you know, performers

594
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: of the world that like they were, you know, allegedly

595
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: the kind of the sexual icons for what a man

596
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: would look, you know what I mean, Like they were

597
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: super famous. Yeah, and you know, quote unquote straight, but

598
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: they all had like ear rings, you know what I mean,

599
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: both ears whatever. They were done the fuck up.

600
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: One of Prince's album covers is him butt naked sitting

601
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: like an angel, you know what I mean? On top

602
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: of clouds. And covering his his chest and penis, and

603
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: he got so much pussy from that. He got an

604
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: insane amount of pussy off of that. And that does

605
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: does it make sense.

606
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: They really let a wolf from the henhouse on that one.

607
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: But he's such a cute wolf.

608
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: The fact you went up from fox to wolf. I

609
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: think he says everything.

610
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: I think he would describe himself the same way.

611
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: To your point about sort of like the generational changes.

612
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: One of the things that I researched or read is

613
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: it talks about how for thousands of years more than

614
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: just like since the eighties, for literally thousands of years,

615
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: it was more popular or at least as popular for

616
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: men to be wearing jewelry as their female counterparts. That

617
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: for royalty especially, they would put on lots of jewelry,

618
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: lots of they would have ear rings, they would wear

619
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 3: high heels were originally developed for men to be able

620
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: to look taller. It's crazy.

621
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: At some point you have to wear a lot of

622
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: jewelry to distract from inbreeding qualities of your face. Sure,

623
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: it's the Habsburgs would have to put on sapphires on

624
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: their ears so you didn't see what was going on

625
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: between the sapphires.

626
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: I got this big ass change so you don't see

627
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: my big ass chin.

628
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: In the sun. So the GLI distracts me.

629
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: By fuck today, I really look like my parents are cousins.

630
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: I need some aarn something because I look crazy.

631
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: It also does feel very if you just think about

632
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 4: it on the whole, it feels very American and very Christian.

633
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: The idea of not allowing that to men. Yeah, you

634
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: know what I mean, it feels very puritanical, very like

635
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: I don't even think of it. I don't see why

636
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: it would be particularly feminine even you know what I mean. Men.

637
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: It's a part of men are Dirty culture, do you

638
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: know what I mean, where it's like if a man

639
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: isn't disgusting, he's not a man. I think it's an

640
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: extension of that where it's like if you're not you know, bruised, filthy,

641
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: and you know you don't care at all what you

642
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: look like, then you are actually a lady.

643
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, which which I think I don't think whose whole

644
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 4: sense of humor still revolves around that?

645
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of stand up comics.

646
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: Brother, I think if we if we can pull this

647
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: out a little bit to almost a bird's eye view,

648
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: it does seem like a lot of this sort of

649
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: like damage that we're doing to each other comes from

650
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: at least some version of like a monarchy to a

651
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: the crossover of monarchy and capitalist societies, right where like

652
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 3: the wealthy can do whatever the fuck they want, but

653
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: we have to find ways to keep poor people sort

654
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: of locked in their pop and so you make these

655
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: weird associations where you look dusty on purpose just to

656
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: be able to prove your value in society.

657
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: And a really interesting correlation to that is that kind

658
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: of the uber rich pop stars, they could wear whatever

659
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: they want, you know what I mean, bracelets, it truly

660
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But at that same time, the people, the

661
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: normal people, the proletariat, if you will, could not wear

662
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: your flexibility.

663
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is. You have to remain malleable when

664
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: you do not have the resources to survive completely off

665
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: of your own you know what I mean. You just

666
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: wake up and you get to eat, so you gotta

667
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: you gotta stay fucking flexible. You can't afford to show

668
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 3: up with signals that sort of make people question your value. Here,

669
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: I think we did it well. I got a few

670
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: more than one of the things that that also came

671
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: up in all of this is that, and David, you

672
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: sort of spoke to the americanness of this. It turns

673
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: out in Russia it's the exact opposite that. In Russia

674
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: it's the right ear that you get pierced. If you

675
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 3: want to signal to people that you like fuck bitches

676
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: and not uh and not fuck around with dudes. It's

677
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: like a warning signal in Russia to that like, hey.

678
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 4: This guy's gonna get some pussy watch out.

679
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: Don't know that, hey watch out, fellas, it's a pussy

680
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: hound here. But more warning to gay men being like hey, no, no, no,

681
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: not over here.

682
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 4: With that kind of that's even funnier because that feels

683
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: even more so. Let me just make sure they know.

684
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 4: I mean, they could look at me, I'm dirty as hell.

685
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: But I feel like when it goes that far, it

686
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: goes from you better not to you better not like

687
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: brow like point, at some point it becomes you want

688
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: them to interact with you. You know, you're begging for

689
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: them to have some sort of confidence. He's like, I

690
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: hope we don't have to wrestle, you know, like you

691
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: just waiting for a confrontation.

692
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 8: The ladies guys in here. I don't bet if there's

693
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 8: one in here, better not. It's all oiled up and

694
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 8: fine and ship.

695
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 4: Realizing here, I'm gonna be mad.

696
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna grab that neck.

697
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: Musty backs.

698
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: Look like a record.

699
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: They also talk about it. One of the articles I

700
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 3: read that that China similar associated the right with heterosexuality

701
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: rather than homosexuality, but has since banned ear piercings completely.

702
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: They were, like, I think probably suffering the same thing

703
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: you were suffering with your friend, Like, we don't know

704
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: which is which. None of all motherfuckers get to do

705
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: it now, it was.

706
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: We can't get on the same page. I'm taking it

707
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: from everybody.

708
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: Maybe that would have been a better policy. I don't know,

709
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: because if they if they did opposite ears for each

710
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: like as soon as a baby boy is born, they

711
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: do right or left, right or left, they end up

712
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: with a fifty to fifty gay population, and that's ultimately

713
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 2: not gonna work out in the long run.

714
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: Can't do that. We already got too many, too many

715
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: girls as it is. We we we got problems. We

716
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: can't focus on this. No more ear piercings. All right,

717
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: we need to take one more break. But when we

718
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: come back I have a little bit more research I

719
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: want to run past you guys that I think is

720
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: going to illuminate this conversation ever more. So we'll be

721
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: back with more Vinnie, Thomas and Moore. My mama told me, pot.

722
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: My butt, pop, pop my butt, pop my butt, pop,

723
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: pop my butt.

724
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: Do you know what pot my butt meant to Harriet Tubman?

725
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Do you know what that meant?

726
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: It meant a whip.

727
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: And we are back whipping y'all into shape on this con.

728
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: Pop my butt, pop, pop my butt.

729
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: It's just very funny that she made her read her

730
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: own lyrics, you know.

731
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: What I mean?

732
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 4: Like, it's awesome.

733
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: You gonna watch that video. It's her mirthless grin. It's

734
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: like hot but hop my butt.

735
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: But like, why do you have to did your own lyrics?

736
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: That your lyrics? Baby girl?

737
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 6: Just say I'm out loud. Yeah, and honestly own it.

738
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 6: Wrap that ship. You should have wrapped that ship. You

739
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: should have you should have acted.

740
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: Who did it? Yeah?

741
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, fix my life, Fix my life, one of the

742
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: one of the the white whales of our podcast. If

743
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: we ever get her, well, no, we finally did everything

744
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: we needed to do here.

745
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: I think if she actually wrapped pop my butt. Yanla

746
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: would have fired a gun into the air. Just the

747
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: reaction to that would have been explosive.

748
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: She would have gone super saying too just lost the Okay,

749
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: there's a few more things I want to tell you

750
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: about this, uh, this apparent conspiracy theory. One of the

751
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: other pieces that came up was this question of signaling.

752
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: Signaling you mentioned David is sort of a way of

753
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: I guess, showing to other people. It doesn't always have

754
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: to be gay people out though I think the term

755
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: is rooted in sort of gay culture, showing other people

756
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: markings or indications that we belong to the same community.

757
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: This specific signal, I think, also gets dropped into something

758
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: called hairpinning, which I guess is or dropping a hairpin,

759
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: which is essentially the same quality of signaling, specifically as

760
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: it relates to the earring.

761
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: I guess you would drop a hairpin.

762
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 4: I don't know.

763
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: Is that dropping a hairpin as a phrase to yeah,

764
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 3: to like show a signal without having to get caught

765
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: kind of thing.

766
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: See, this is what I was talking about. There was

767
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: so much subtlety and signaling at some point it must

768
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: have been exhausting because you would have had to speak

769
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: all own different language, like in the in the seventies sixties,

770
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: to let people know, my god, just write your name

771
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: on a bathroom stall, you know, and and be like

772
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: at three pm.

773
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you said it. I was thinking it.

774
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: I was like, that seems like of all these things,

775
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: that seems like the most reasonable way to do it.

776
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, name number.

777
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: Go to the bookstore.

778
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: Go to a bookstore and just stand in the corner

779
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: reading a stupid book and people know you're not reading.

780
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 4: You know what I mean it is to get an

781
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: to get a nut.

782
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: This Garfield book ain't that long. You ain't reading that?

783
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?

784
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: Come on?

785
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: Hating Mondays that much? No one has Mondays like that.

786
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 2: Put that buck down.

787
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: But you hate Mondays? You don't have a job, you

788
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: lasagna eating bitch?

789
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I did always. I did always take an

790
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: issue with that. I never understood what was the the

791
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: the these days mean nothing to you, Garfield.

792
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah a job. Garfield worked for the DJ.

793
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: You know.

794
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: Garviel worked in the Department of Justice. He tapped phones,

795
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: he broke into houses, he arrested people. Kind of a

796
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: badass for problematic life. I think at the end of

797
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: the day, Damn damn Odi Odie was unemployed because he

798
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: got kicked in the head.

799
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: By a horse. Yeah, he was going Odi was unemployed

800
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: and he was collecting the check, but he he wasn't

801
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: making it. One of the things that they said was

802
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: made complicated for this signaling, right, because it originally it

803
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: originally sort of becomes popular in the eighties and nineties.

804
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: But the reason they claim at least that these signals

805
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: started to become problematic is because it gets weaponized by

806
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: pop culture to some extent. Right, there's actually an article

807
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: from nineteen ninety one in the New York Times, no less,

808
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: an article entitled Piercing Fat turns convention on its ear

809
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: that basically exposes in a formal way which obviously it

810
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: had probably been speculated on for a long time, but

811
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 3: sort of exposes in a formal way that the right

812
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 3: ear is the quote unquote wrong ear, or the gay ear,

813
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: and that then makes it a societal conversation and not

814
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: just this sort of communal one between gay men.

815
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: This was this happened in the eighties.

816
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: Right, This article is nineteen ninety one, But the trend

817
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: I think begins in the in the eighties.

818
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. I think there was

819
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: a lot of there was a lot of witch hunt ism,

820
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: the cultural witch hunt stuff in the eighties, Like you

821
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: remember what they were telling everyone that dungeons and dragons

822
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: was like demonic. You know, there was just a lot of.

823
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 4: Oh, there was major satanic panic as well.

824
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, satany panic. Yeah, And uh, I think it's part

825
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: of it. I think that's kind of an extension of it.

826
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: But also I think as gay people kind of moved

827
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: into just kind of society, mainstream society as a whole,

828
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that was traditionally gay became popular.

829
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: So it started to hell, yeah George Michael and the rest.

830
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 4: But talking about the other guy in WAM, nobody, he

831
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: doesn't even have a name.

832
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't, that's Wham's.

833
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think that. I think that definitely that.

834
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: I think also it's just a very conservative time, yeah, yeah,

835
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: in general in our country's history, and I think that

836
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 4: leads to to a fear around these things.

837
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're in the middle of Nancy Reagan telling

838
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: us not to fuck, not to do drugs, not to

839
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: to do, and she is meanwhile, secretly, secretly she who

840
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: we want to be doing drugs and fucking with you

841
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean that Nancy should have been like,

842
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 3: don't do drugs unless you're trying to get the best.

843
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: And that's me. Uh, that's saying my.

844
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: Reagan until I tore down that wall, we miss.

845
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: You, Nancy that said, I do think you're right that it's.

846
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: That in that bit is it's still Ronald.

847
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 5: Reagan telling him to do it to his wife. That's great,

848
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 5: this circle over job, tear down Nancy, just busting it

849
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 5: open for freedom, for freedom.

850
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: That's good because I don't think I can not if

851
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: I was president. What the stress the job would wagh

852
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 4: too heavy? I don't think I would get a lot

853
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 4: of directions as the president of the United States.

854
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: Oh you think you It would really give you a

855
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: wrecked out dysfunction to be president of the United States.

856
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: I've always felt like that job is not as hard

857
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: as they pretend like it is. Maybe I'm tripping, Maybe.

858
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 6: I'm yeah, I think I guess I've always thought they

859
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 6: were all that, so it's not that stressful of a job.

860
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: Me and David are different. We think every president is

861
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: a hero.

862
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: We have hope. We're not We're not like you alarmist.

863
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: We believe in the good.

864
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just thought they were all monsters. I was like,

865
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: there's no way these monsters are waking up stressed every day.

866
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: They're probably would the aging effect of it all.

867
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: I think what's stressful about it is the the the pace,

868
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: not the work itself.

869
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

870
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: Like you have to be a bunch of places and

871
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: you have to stay up late, But I think you're

872
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: kicking it most of the time.

873
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: It's like business.

874
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: School, you know what I mean? Like those people drink

875
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: all the time. They just happened to be doing fucking

876
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: school at the at the exact moment that they're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine being the one that got stuck in

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Speaker 2: a bathtub about that all the time. I would be milliated.

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Speaker 2: If I was tapped, I would be able.

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Speaker 4: To That's just president.

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Speaker 2: They had to get tools to get you out. Are you.

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Speaker 4: And I'm still gonna raise taxes?

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Speaker 3: You know it's crazy. I just assumed they asked him

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Speaker 3: to leave after that. I never really yes, yes, because

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Speaker 3: how are you? How are you good at a man?

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Speaker 2: How are you good about a man? He got himself

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Speaker 2: stucking about them? How's he gonna make a law, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like they were like, uh, mister Tablein, obviously get you out,

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Speaker 3: but but you're gonna have We're gonna give you twenty

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Speaker 3: five minutes to pack it up and say your eyes

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Speaker 3: to the stage at the doors. Yeah the oval office

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Speaker 3: that's closed for the afternoon, and you'll you'll find the

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Speaker 3: door is locked tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: And to drag him out, like.

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Speaker 3: No, you finished the thought, you god damn thought over here.

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Speaker 2: Diary of a Mad Black Woman, but it's half being

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Speaker 2: dragged out the.

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Speaker 3: Oval and then push down the steps in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they like, stop making those bubbles while he's

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Speaker 2: in the tub.

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Speaker 3: All right now, I think we did it. I think

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Speaker 3: this morning we did it. This was great. It sounds

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Speaker 3: like we're all in agreement that the signaling was probably

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Speaker 3: necessary at a point, but certainly absurd for us as

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Speaker 3: children to buy into. But what are you going to

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Speaker 3: do when you're braised in a toxic culture that refuses

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Speaker 3: to look at itself? I concur Yeah, all right, Vinnie,

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Speaker 3: do you want to tell the people where they.

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Speaker 4: Can find you? Season g.

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Speaker 2: You ugge.

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Speaker 4: That was just the funniest possible time to do it.

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Speaker 4: It was great.

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Speaker 3: And I want to believe you were looking for the

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Speaker 3: entire hour that we spoke.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I I had a queue up. I was

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Speaker 4: just like where do we Uh? I wanted to get

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Speaker 4: away from me. That's perfect.

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