Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Hell that for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?
Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woof woof? And Dan and Tye
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls. My
Speaker 1: name is ty Hildebrand joining me as always still over
Speaker 1: there and very cold Chicago. Lloyd Andrewwstein, how you hold up?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm making pizzas I work out inside sometimes. And Gus
Speaker 2: Melson is a UCF legend. Of course, I'm great.
Speaker 1: Gus Melson. You kind of stole my thunder there because
Speaker 1: I was going to play a breaking news sound. We'll
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Speaker 1: I played a game this weekend. Felt pretty good to
Speaker 1: shake off a bit doing. Okay, we're now in year
Speaker 1: two of Navy. Started out too, and I all got
Speaker 1: a prime like four star recruit to come to Navy
Speaker 1: and play quarterback and serve his country. Things are changing, man,
Speaker 1: Things are changing. We're working on it, but got a
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Speaker 2: Have you had Have you been fielding any offers to
Speaker 2: become a new team's head yet?
Speaker 1: No? No, we went six and six last year, so
Speaker 1: the new offers aren't exactly too plentiful right now.
Speaker 2: How loyal do you feel to the midshipman?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm madis for the long haul. I'm
Speaker 1: in it for the long haul, at least for the
Speaker 1: nice mode lolo brand. Okay, shedding that brand, man going
Speaker 1: going fresh here airing it out. I like it. Of
Speaker 1: course we do have a Patreon as well at for
Speaker 1: ballers dot com. Listen here is this is breaking news,
Speaker 1: hot off the presses. I'm not going to play the
Speaker 1: sound if you're going out to Verballers dot com. If
Speaker 1: you look at our tears, you'll see that one of
Speaker 1: the things we're doing in the off season is reverting
Speaker 1: back to a concept, a thing, a topic list that
Speaker 1: has long been very popular in the verballer hood, and
Speaker 1: that is the off topic content. Dan. We've done a
Speaker 1: couple shows like this over the years, and it seems
Speaker 1: each time we do it gets a little bit more popular.
Speaker 1: So your recall we did what was it The Pop
Speaker 1: Punk and Emo Show with Bill Barnwell a few years back.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of them have been with Bill, right,
Speaker 1: you have all of them. I don't think all of them.
Speaker 2: I think we did sports video games with Bill. We
Speaker 2: did pop punk, emo, Internet things.
Speaker 1: We did do with Bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, we'll do at least one of these
Speaker 2: in the spring with Bill period.
Speaker 1: As part of what we're doing on Patreon, we're going
Speaker 1: to be doing one of these per month. It's a
Speaker 1: Patreon only release. The release this week is going to
Speaker 1: be you and I not only deep diving our historic
Speaker 1: careers as youth and or high school athletes, but also
Speaker 1: talking about where we feel right now about youth and
Speaker 1: high school athletics.
Speaker 2: Right of course, Oh there's so much. So there's our
Speaker 2: personal stuff, there is the general archetypes. There are just
Speaker 2: I mean that we have to dip in on what
Speaker 2: it's like now, right just to see what that world
Speaker 2: looks like in the present tense and not just what
Speaker 2: it was in like nineteen ninety six. So youth sports
Speaker 2: and everything surrounding. So we're going to talk what Okay,
Speaker 2: so it's our own experiences. We're talking getting to and
Speaker 2: from games, teammates, snacks, practice games, facilities, equipment, you name it.
Speaker 1: We're going every kids got their own baseball helmet. Now
Speaker 1: what is this world coming to? Yeah? Gen Z re
Speaker 1: Ballers one more time is where you can find all
Speaker 1: that info on the Patreon Dan. So we got a
Speaker 1: Tuesday show, a Thursday show, and then the off topic
Speaker 1: show is going to drop a little later on in
Speaker 1: the week for the Patreon subs and only the Patreon
Speaker 1: subs Dance. Yeah exclusive. Today's show, we are talking about
Speaker 1: what happens if Hell freeze is over. You may be
Speaker 1: wondering why are we playing an eight bit version of
Speaker 1: Hotel California? Dan, Care to explain yourself?
Speaker 2: I myself, I'm wondering too. The Eagles had a Hell
Speaker 2: Freezes Over tour. That's a reunion tour, like they're never
Speaker 2: going to get back together until Hell freezes over. And
Speaker 2: then they got back together and called it that. Have
Speaker 2: you seen the Eagles documentary?
Speaker 1: By the way, I believe it's.
Speaker 2: Just called the Eagles TI, Hi, you need to see
Speaker 2: the Eagles documentary. Why it's well, first of all, there's
Speaker 2: so much acrimony and hate in the band that it's
Speaker 2: like a It's a two part like four and a
Speaker 2: half hour documentary, and the first part is the original
Speaker 2: story of the Eagles, like how they came together and
Speaker 2: they had these common friends and this is what recording
Speaker 2: this seminal album was like, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And then the second part.
Speaker 2: Is later stage Eagles And I'm not even a big
Speaker 2: Eagles fan at all. I just like wild stories about
Speaker 2: seventies and eighties rock, I guess. And the second part
Speaker 2: is like they just hated each other and kept going
Speaker 2: on tour because people kept wanting to see that. You
Speaker 2: have to watch it. Let me see where it's streaming.
Speaker 2: The Eagles documentary is streaming. It looks like Amazon.
Speaker 1: You can watch it. Yeah, you can watch a history
Speaker 1: of the Eagles on Amazon. This is how you know
Speaker 1: it's the off season here on the solid verbal as
Speaker 1: we talk about Eagles documentaries.
Speaker 2: But I might see the sane I might say that
Speaker 2: you don't have like well formed Don Felder thoughts.
Speaker 1: I may have an appetite for a show like that.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think you need another topic for one
Speaker 1: of our off topic shows. Hey, maybe we'll just do
Speaker 1: a documentary episode. I'm down with that. Okay, so today's show,
Speaker 1: Hell Freezes Over. We've been doing the thing the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. By the way, we're totally steering into
Speaker 1: the whole cold theme right now. I was trying to
Speaker 1: harvest the day after Tomorrow, trying to find some clips
Speaker 1: out of there, because you recall there's that deep freeze
Speaker 1: of course scene, but they're real. There's like no good
Speaker 1: sounds in there that I could yank, So I'm glad
Speaker 1: we went this direction instead. Anyway, Look, we've been looking
Speaker 1: at teams that are down and out or teams that
Speaker 1: are on the cusp for the last few weeks. Now,
Speaker 1: of course we had the Valentine's show, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm gone Now this one we're looking at from a
Speaker 1: different perspective. We're so used to talking about teams that
Speaker 1: are low. What do they have to do to get
Speaker 1: to the Promised Land? What about a team like Alabama,
Speaker 1: A team like Alabama, team like Clemson that has ruled
Speaker 1: the roost for ah gosh, recent memory, all of recent memory,
Speaker 1: Dan per two, has to happen, not part say, what
Speaker 1: has to happen for Hell to freeze over and for
Speaker 1: a team like Obama to come crashing down to earth,
Speaker 1: loosely connecting real world events that affect us personally to
Speaker 1: college football, vague concepts. It's what we do here, ty
Speaker 1: on the Soliverble, That's what we do. That is the
Speaker 1: anthem of the off season. Before we do though market news.
Speaker 1: Not going forward like I usually do, but still getting.
Speaker 2: Happy with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do we have? Gus Melson is back, baby.
Speaker 1: UCF has named gust Melzon it's new head football coach.
Speaker 1: You'll recall he was fired back in December after eight
Speaker 1: seasons at Auburn. He went sixty eight and thirty five,
Speaker 1: was thirty nine and twenty seven in SEC play, obviously
Speaker 1: took Auburn to the National Championship game in his very
Speaker 1: first season back in twenty thirteen. He emerged really just
Speaker 1: this weekend as the leading candidate to replace Josh Hypel
Speaker 1: takes over at Tennessee, and he has now officially gotten
Speaker 1: the job. Quote. I'm thrilled to be the head coach
Speaker 1: at UCF, and I truly look forward to being part
Speaker 1: of Night Nation. Thank you, Gus. So look say what
Speaker 1: you want about Gus Balazan. This is a good hire
Speaker 1: I think for UCF. Yeah, I agree, I think this
Speaker 1: is a splash hire to go out and get Malason
Speaker 1: late in the cycle, to bring a guy down there who, look,
Speaker 1: there's an incredible amount of talent in South Florida that
Speaker 1: he can work with. We know he's got an offense
Speaker 1: that's very attractive to skill talent. And again UCF seems
Speaker 1: to find a guy who can come in and do
Speaker 1: the thing on offense. If nothing else, they will be
Speaker 1: very exciting to watch when they have the football correct.
Speaker 2: Some mixed results in hiring assistants at Auburn, but the
Speaker 2: track record is overwhelmingly positive, even with the mediocre down
Speaker 2: years and the inconsistencies and the struggles finding and developing
Speaker 2: quarterbacks at times. Certainly there were highs to the Jarrett
Speaker 2: stinnam era and Cam Newton and you know, you look
Speaker 2: back and there were some really you know, Nick Marshall,
Speaker 2: they're promising dudes. But I think what he'll be able
Speaker 2: to do at UCF is continue the successes. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you know, if he goes eleven and one
Speaker 2: at UCF this year, next year, whatever, I don't know
Speaker 2: how long he's going to be there. With how much
Speaker 2: turnover there is among the SEC and I guess acc
Speaker 2: coaching ranks if he's going to stay in the Southeastern footprint.
Speaker 2: But yeah, kind of seems like a no brainer. Should
Speaker 2: be able to recruit very well, has recruiting connections across
Speaker 2: the region, and Lord knows that there are going to
Speaker 2: be transfers available from Miami, Florida State, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia,
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, that kind of thing to help populate that roster.
Speaker 2: So I would imagine u CF is going to position
Speaker 2: itself very well. I'm curious to see who he hires
Speaker 2: to round out that staff, But yeah, UCF is one
Speaker 2: of those jobs, one of the group of five jobs
Speaker 2: along with I suppose Houston that geographically has positioned itself
Speaker 2: in a really nice place. Memphis. Boise State doesn't have
Speaker 2: the geography, but has the track record of winning where
Speaker 2: what you know, going to Tennessee, South Carolina schools that
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily set up infrastructure wise, roster wise to succeed,
Speaker 2: Whereas you know, inheriting, Dylan Gabriel's pretty good start, pretty
Speaker 2: good start if you're Gus Malson. So I expect impressive
Speaker 2: things from Malson and the Knights. I do as well,
Speaker 2: any other news here jumping out to you. Penn State's losing.
Speaker 2: It looks like Tony Banks co d C. So it has
Speaker 2: been with James Franklin, Brent Prye. I think he's a
Speaker 2: secondary's coach as well or safety's coach for Penn State.
Speaker 2: Looks like he's going to Tennessee to become defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: for Josh Hipel. Just a connected world. I don't you
Speaker 2: have strong Tony Banks not oddly opinions. No, oka A
Speaker 2: State's defense has largely been good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of a bump step back this year, but nonetheless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean it's always a good sign. I
Speaker 2: will I will maintain this. Always a good sign to
Speaker 2: have your coaches hired away from your staff instead of
Speaker 2: having to fire them. You don't have to pay them,
Speaker 2: You get paid, and it's a good reflection on your
Speaker 2: head coach in terms of hiring practices. So that's hopefully
Speaker 2: it all works out for Tennessee. I saw Oregon's twenty
Speaker 2: twenty starting quarterback Tyler Shuck announced his entry into the
Speaker 2: transfer portal. It certainly seemed like that job is going
Speaker 2: to be wide open, and I know I and a
Speaker 2: lot of Oregon fans had high hopes for him going
Speaker 2: into this year with Joe moorehead and it seemed like
Speaker 2: his numbers I think don't tell the full story. Times
Speaker 2: he did struggle and it didn't seem like the long
Speaker 2: term answer for Oregon. But I hope he finds a
Speaker 2: good home somewhere else, be it on the West Coast
Speaker 2: wherever that whoever. In a lot of teams need a
Speaker 2: hopefully quality quarterback, and he is at his best equality quarterback.
Speaker 2: So hope it works out. And I think he's immediately eligible.
Speaker 2: I think he has both because of the way that
Speaker 2: eligibility has worked after the twenty twenty season and because
Speaker 2: of how quickly he graduated. I believe he has three
Speaker 2: years of eligibility remaining, so Brady White situation, if you will,
Speaker 2: which is great.
Speaker 1: I hope it works out.
Speaker 2: I hope he finds a place in locks in and
Speaker 2: is a good quarterback all right, But Oregon is I
Speaker 2: think decent enough in terms of depth of quarterback right now.
Speaker 2: Looks like Anthony Brown's.
Speaker 1: Probably gonna start the season, which I hope is good.
Speaker 2: I hope somebody who is inconsistent and tore both acls
Speaker 2: at Boston Coe, which works out surrounded by better talent.
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that a better situation. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be surrounded by a number of talented receivers,
Speaker 2: are now experienced offensive line as Joe moorehead calling the plays,
Speaker 2: and they have a couple of blue chips behind him,
Speaker 2: including one true freshman who's pretty well regarded in Ty Thompson.
Speaker 2: So we shall see, we shall see. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to the playoff for winning a
Speaker 2: national championship necessarily with that quarterback room. But incremental improvement
Speaker 2: is always good.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, Okay, yeah, we'll see. Let's get to our game, Dan,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Hell freezing over. So I think we
Speaker 1: have to come to an understanding here. Right out of
Speaker 1: the shoot. We've got got a handful of teams listed.
Speaker 1: We've got Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Notre Dame Georgia.
Speaker 1: So whats what we're asking here is what would it
Speaker 1: take for each of these programs the spiral out of
Speaker 1: control and at a minimum fall down from the pedestal
Speaker 1: where they currently find themselves. So, like, we could start
Speaker 1: with Alabama or Clemson, since those are the two most
Speaker 1: obvious ones. But I think we have to ask first
Speaker 1: and foremost about each team what happens if the coach leaves.
Speaker 1: That's the most obvious thing. That's the low hanging fruit.
Speaker 1: We're not going to do the thing where we talk
Speaker 1: about rules and fractions because rules and fractions could obviously
Speaker 1: be an unforeseen event that affects any of these schools
Speaker 1: in a very negative way. That's also low hanging fruit.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I have some thoughts here on some
Speaker 1: of these teams. I know you do as well. Why
Speaker 1: don't we start with Alabama?
Speaker 2: Should we define what we mean falling from glory and help,
Speaker 2: raising over and careening back down to ours? Like sure,
Speaker 2: from from glory to Gasparilla, glory to gain. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that a team is going to utterly collapse
Speaker 2: and get the death penalty. Excuse me, English, go one
Speaker 2: and eleven. But you go from winning double digit games
Speaker 2: to seven point two to eight point one games a
Speaker 2: year over a seven year spam.
Speaker 1: It's like a Miami situation we talked about Larry Koker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a number of all of these teams
Speaker 2: that we've listed have koreem back down to Earth at
Speaker 2: some point for reasons that I think is.
Speaker 1: An important point that I wanted to remind everyone of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though it seems like there is no possible way
Speaker 1: in Alabama or a Clemson or in Ohio State is
Speaker 1: going to come back down to Earth, we have seen
Speaker 1: it time and again. It happens. It's going to happen
Speaker 1: again for all of these schools without fail. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: there's okay, so we can discuss all that here, but
Speaker 1: it will happen at some point.
Speaker 2: It goes without saying, like you mentioned that, not only
Speaker 2: do you have to talk about coaching changes, but yes,
Speaker 2: let's get it right out of the way right now,
Speaker 2: if either one of these if any of these schools
Speaker 2: loses a coach and hires a bad coach, it can
Speaker 2: very easily happen. I think we need to go into
Speaker 2: some more of more detail on a more granular level,
Speaker 2: like what specific to these schools could because Ohio State's
Speaker 2: context is very different from Notre Dame's context and Oklahoma, Oregon, Bama, Clemson, Georgia, whatever.
Speaker 2: Even though you know there are some overlaps in terms
Speaker 2: of conference with say Clemson and Notre Dame this past
Speaker 2: year or Alabama and Georgia whatever, what we're gonna get
Speaker 2: specific to those schools because there are certainly Oh you
Speaker 2: start a bad quarterback.
Speaker 1: And you became bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, that happens to everybody, literally everybody. We're going to
Speaker 2: try and avoid the the layups, the guppies.
Speaker 1: Of an answer as best we can. So, okay, let's
Speaker 1: that being said. Let's start with Alabama. Yeah, Alabama, your
Speaker 1: national champion, Nick Saban, greatest coach of all time, Nick
Speaker 1: Saban leaves, Nick Saban decides, well, could you give me
Speaker 1: a Nick Saban stays in the koreem as well, do
Speaker 1: you have that within you? I think so? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean I think it needs to be said that if
Speaker 1: Saban leaves, I don't know if a Korean's out of control,
Speaker 1: but that's probably the best chance of it happening, right, agreed,
Speaker 1: of course? Yeah? Yeah. Obviously Bama is so well rounded
Speaker 1: at this point that you can't just point to, like
Speaker 1: you said, a bad year or two at quarterback and
Speaker 1: that being the tip of the iceberg that leads to
Speaker 1: the downfall. I think the angle here is more centered
Speaker 1: around recruiting, particularly with teams around Bama getting good enough
Speaker 1: that it's harder for Bama to recruit. So, for example,
Speaker 1: we talked about Miami, how Alabama was moving into that
Speaker 1: South Florida territory, building a pipeline for itself, siphoning off
Speaker 1: some of that top talent. But if Florida State gets better,
Speaker 1: if they rise up, if Florida can continue itch trend,
Speaker 1: if Georgia can continue itch trend, if Miami could reclaim
Speaker 1: the swagger. There are a lot of ifs here as
Speaker 1: a game of hypotheticals, mind you, even if Gus Melson
Speaker 1: can come in and poach a couple kids, more recruiting
Speaker 1: competition for that talent over humble cycles, I think is
Speaker 1: one way that you could start to see things trend
Speaker 1: in a different direction.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's based in reality, because.
Speaker 1: None of this is based in reality. But continue, No,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: There are certain things about Alabama that are based in reality.
Speaker 2: The things that are based in reality about.
Speaker 1: Alabama is.
Speaker 2: An influx of quarterbacks, slash systems, slash coaches doing interesting
Speaker 2: enough things to undermine Nick Saban's ability to coach an
Speaker 2: eleven twelve win team consistently because of innovation that Nick
Speaker 2: Saban has generally capitalized on. But he hasn't been at
Speaker 2: the forefront. He hasn't been in the forefront of running
Speaker 2: the spread. He hasn't been at the forefront of playing
Speaker 2: up tempo, of using RPOs. You know, there was that
Speaker 2: inflection moment or moments when we were talking about the
Speaker 2: SEC banning you know how quickly teams can play, and
Speaker 2: it's saying, you know, is this what we want football
Speaker 2: to be? So I think what it is is actually
Speaker 2: innovation because I don't think anybody's going to pay closer
Speaker 2: attention to the little things that Nick Saban does because
Speaker 2: he keeps having to overhaul his staff every year and
Speaker 2: nothing changes. They just keep winning national championships or vying
Speaker 2: for national championships. They're in that playoff conversation. They're of
Speaker 2: that caliber. So what it is is, essentially, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Tennessee and South Carolina and LSU each find their own
Speaker 2: version of Hugh Freeze's system slash Johnny Manziel slash, the
Speaker 2: combination of Steve Spurrier and Steve Garcia, Steven Garcia guys
Speaker 2: like that. I think if we get a perfect storm
Speaker 2: of that every year, I think that's the closest thing
Speaker 2: because I don't think the recruiting is ever going to
Speaker 2: fall off. The track record is too vast and too
Speaker 2: deep that no coach is there a coach right now
Speaker 2: that could come in to the SEC and say, my
Speaker 2: track record is analogous or within arm's reach of what
Speaker 2: Nick Saban has done in terms of winning and developing
Speaker 2: NFL council.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just signed the best class of all time,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: So being out recruited or seeing recruiting fall off in
Speaker 2: an appreciable way I don't think is based in reality.
Speaker 2: I think it's much more that more and more talented
Speaker 2: coaches take SEC money. Like if Ed Orizron doesn't work out,
Speaker 2: all of the sudden, lsu hires Lincoln Riley, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden they become unbelievable killers in a way
Speaker 2: that they only were that one season with Joe Brady
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow. Like, I think that's where we're heading,
Speaker 2: That the conference becomes oh stacked and top heavy with
Speaker 2: coaching and quarterback and overall talent that the conference just
Speaker 2: can't help but to beat itself up. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: side of that, Yeah, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I think it has to come from within the SEC too,
Speaker 1: From within the walls, coming from within the house, within
Speaker 1: the walls of the SEC is the best chance of
Speaker 1: this conflict rising up because look, for college football fans,
Speaker 1: at least to some extent, the Clemson rivalry between Clemson Alabama. Look,
Speaker 1: it's still interesting, maybe not as interesting as it used
Speaker 1: to be because they're in it every year, But that
Speaker 1: is not going to destroy Alabama. What would really take
Speaker 1: a toll on Bama as if it found a counterbalance
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the SEC. And to be fair, everybody
Speaker 1: in the conference has ripped their hair out for the
Speaker 1: entire Nick saban Era trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: get to be that counterbalance. No one's really done consistently yet,
Speaker 1: I think at a.
Speaker 2: Minute, and the ones, the ones that occasionally do, are
Speaker 2: only that dangerous for blips.
Speaker 1: A couple of years.
Speaker 2: It's LSU for a season, or they are kind of
Speaker 2: half a team with an amazing defense, but they can't
Speaker 2: put it together consistently on offense. What they didn't cross
Speaker 2: the fifty in a national championship after beating Alabama nine
Speaker 2: to six earlier in the year. It's ole Miss imploding
Speaker 2: under Hugh Freeze. It's Georgia not quite getting over the
Speaker 2: hump teams like that where nobody's been able to put
Speaker 2: it together with any sort of consistency, with Auburn being
Speaker 2: the closest.
Speaker 1: And they still fired their coach. You know, the the LSU,
Speaker 1: The combo of LSU and A and M in the
Speaker 1: SEC West is really interesting to me. Sure, that's really
Speaker 1: interesting to me. And I do think that Jimbo Fisher
Speaker 1: is slowly but surely going to build up A and M.
Speaker 1: We'll see what Orgeron could do. He had a tough year,
Speaker 1: want to turn over obviously weird year with COVID. But
Speaker 1: you know, provided they can continue to build those programs,
Speaker 1: that would be some interesting competition for sure for Alabama
Speaker 1: it already is, but to see those teams take their
Speaker 1: game to another level would would help this argument. Well,
Speaker 1: isn't there also still the even teams that lose consistent
Speaker 1: consistently in the SEC, with some exceptions, generally have an
Speaker 1: appealing element to their team. Be it the Kentucky defense,
Speaker 1: be it you know, how feisty. I suppose it an
Speaker 1: unquantifiable way. Arkansas was this year with a real quarterback
Speaker 1: and an improved defense, and Mississippi State for forever had
Speaker 1: like this kind of dangerous offense with times an NFL
Speaker 1: quarterback and Dak Prescott like there were, there are always elements.
Speaker 1: So I think if the competence floor is raised in
Speaker 1: that every week Alabama plays a team who's at least
Speaker 1: very good at one point three, things that becomes interesting.
Speaker 1: That becomes quite interesting. Alabama is still going to win
Speaker 1: ten games a year. But if that, if that opens
Speaker 1: Alabama up to losing fifteen thirteen to Arkansas one random,
Speaker 1: weird year, that changes things, That changes the calculus. But
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that still remains five steps away.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, you know one other thing here about Bama
Speaker 1: and then we're going to move on to Clemson. And
Speaker 1: here's why I bring you.
Speaker 2: Need to also tell me is there anything internal about
Speaker 2: Alabama that would worry you internal?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So we internally at Auburn that there was pressure and
Speaker 2: there were factions, and Alabama there's a ton of pressure
Speaker 2: to win. And so obviously if we're going to happen
Speaker 2: by now where Nick Saban didn't want to deal with
Speaker 2: the internal politics both within the athletic department and the
Speaker 2: booster community to Alabama and everything going on, he'd be gone.
Speaker 2: But he has organized all those things behind him in lockstep.
Speaker 1: So I think that's it.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's it in terms of internal hope
Speaker 2: because a lot of places it's not wanting to deal
Speaker 2: with the politics, relationships running sour with the AD and
Speaker 2: with whoever the chancellor, and then it's then a coach
Speaker 2: will find a way out to go.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that for Saban. Hard to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a legend. Yeah. What I was going to say is,
Speaker 1: you know, one of I think the common themes that
Speaker 1: will have certainly with Clemson, I at least want to
Speaker 1: discuss it with Clemson and some of these other schools
Speaker 1: here the prospect of assistant coaches leaving, that's not has
Speaker 1: it affected Bama? Not as big a deal for Bama
Speaker 1: right they are maybe by at all sheer force of
Speaker 1: will from Nick Saban and his ability to organize and
Speaker 1: create a system that's plug and play for new coaches
Speaker 1: and players and the like, that has not been something
Speaker 1: that has really slowed him down. We've had this story
Speaker 1: now for what feels like five years running about assistance
Speaker 1: leaving going elsewhere. To your point from earlier, when these
Speaker 1: guys are in demand, that obviously speaks highly of your program.
Speaker 1: But we've seen it time and again, big time assistants
Speaker 1: are leaving. Alabama keeps getting better.
Speaker 2: So we talk about how it could potentially and it
Speaker 2: would need a lot of different elements to go wrong
Speaker 2: for Alabama with Nick Saban. What is an Alabama team
Speaker 2: who is built to win big? They pour resources into
Speaker 2: the program, unlike many and most of all schools and
Speaker 2: college major college football. So the resources are there, the
Speaker 2: reputation is there, the NFL draft factory is there, the
Speaker 2: high profile elements to the program is there. Alabama is
Speaker 2: as big as it gets. You can't hire the wrong coach.
Speaker 2: But is there anything specific about Alabama post Nick Saban
Speaker 2: that worries you? Because I have a couple of things. Well, yeah, primarily,
Speaker 2: nobody's Nick. That's the number one thing.
Speaker 1: Nobody's Nick Saban, And it's very difficult to try and
Speaker 1: match that. To that point, though, we have seed some
Speaker 1: recent success with Ryan Day taking over for a legend
Speaker 1: in his own right in aben Meyer one full season,
Speaker 1: one full season, right, and I have that written down here.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk more about that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there is some precedent, at least here in the early
Speaker 1: going that it seems like that situation is going to
Speaker 1: work out well. I do think it's going to have
Speaker 1: to be somebody who has familiarity with the program, who
Speaker 1: coached under Sabin. I was probably not Sarkesian at this point,
Speaker 1: but somebody like that that the Alabama brass will be
Speaker 1: comfortable with, who can establish some means of continuity going
Speaker 1: from Saban serving as that bridge to the next generation.
Speaker 1: It's going to take somebody who.
Speaker 2: Knows maybe, yeah, And that's what we've seen across the
Speaker 2: country with some of these teams, not Notre Dame, but
Speaker 2: across the number of these teams.
Speaker 1: There's that familiarity.
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley was the coordinator at Oklahoma before taking over.
Speaker 2: Same goes for Ryan Day. Mario Christobal was in that
Speaker 2: role at Oregon and so that certainly helps. And Clemson
Speaker 2: had a receivers coach in Dabo Sweeney before he took over.
Speaker 1: So that helps.
Speaker 2: My worry with that is the expectations at Alabama, given
Speaker 2: what Nick Saban has done, are unmatchable. I mean, Urban
Speaker 2: Meyer won how many national championships at Ohio State. One
Speaker 2: that's matchable. I mean, he had Ohio State playing on
Speaker 2: a crazy level, but they win the first college football
Speaker 2: Playoff and then don't, so the expectations for keeping the
Speaker 2: train going. I don't think anybody can possibly succeeded Alabama
Speaker 2: after Nick Saban, directly after Nick Saban, whoever it is,
Speaker 2: is going to get fired within four years. Even if
Speaker 2: it's Dabosweeny, he's gonna get fired.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to Dabbo. Let's talk about Clemson. So
Speaker 1: I asked this question to Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated
Speaker 1: when I had him on the show, I think a
Speaker 1: year ago, and it was almost verbatim, like what does
Speaker 1: it take for Clemson to fall back to Earth? And
Speaker 1: he didn't really have a good answer for it, but
Speaker 1: his answer was staff changes. If we saw staff exodus, right,
Speaker 1: So Brent vannables, if he leaves, if the offensive staff
Speaker 1: will leaves, if we've got coaches who are suddenly so
Speaker 1: in demand that they have to take these jobs, and
Speaker 1: Dabo is now looking to put in place a new cabinet,
Speaker 1: what kind of effect would that have? Now? But by
Speaker 1: now I think it's pretty well known how Dabo got
Speaker 1: his start at Clemson. He was a relatively inexperienced coach.
Speaker 1: He got the head role, and he decided that he
Speaker 1: wanted to allot a lot of his budget to go
Speaker 1: out and get the best assistant coach is possible to
Speaker 1: help support him. That model has obviously worked. Clemson's a
Speaker 1: juggernaut now. But if at this point some of those
Speaker 1: coaches were to leave, what kind of downstream effect would
Speaker 1: that have? Clemson is still obviously a place where people
Speaker 1: would want to go and coach, but any kind of
Speaker 1: mass turnover if Brent Vannables decides to leave and take
Speaker 1: ahead job at some point in time, you know, so
Speaker 1: much of that program is built around a really solid defense.
Speaker 1: If he leaves, what happens is that something that can
Speaker 1: be replaced. We have not seen what Dabbo can do
Speaker 1: with the like a Saban level of coaching turnovers, So
Speaker 1: that to me seems like the most obvious place to
Speaker 1: go first. Here.
Speaker 2: What's interesting to me about Clemson is how patient are
Speaker 2: they now versus how patient were they with Tommy Bowden
Speaker 2: winning seven games every year in the two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven eight games compared to win and I had to
Speaker 2: give myself a refresher. But in twenty ten Clemson went
Speaker 2: six and seven. They lost the Minukey car Care Bowl
Speaker 2: to USF offensive coordinator of that Clemson team Billion Napier
Speaker 2: billion fired ye Billionnapier defensive coordinator Kevin Steele. Kind of
Speaker 2: a dream staff if you were to look back on
Speaker 2: it now in terms of what those guys have done since.
Speaker 2: And certainly you can point to what Kevin Steele did
Speaker 2: at Clemson and which cost him his tenure at Clemson.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't a fit by the end of things.
Speaker 2: But the patients with an unknown, which Dabosweeney very much
Speaker 2: was when they hired him, and then in twenty ten
Speaker 2: when they have a losing record, and since then they've
Speaker 2: only had double digit win seasons. So what does that
Speaker 2: patience look like? If they replace Dabbo with somebody who's
Speaker 2: pretty good or good or interesting or coming from across
Speaker 2: the country something like that, and they go six and
Speaker 2: seven in their third year, what are the expectations now
Speaker 2: after I mean three of the four of the last
Speaker 2: five years they've won fourteen, fourteen, fifteen and fourteen games.
Speaker 2: What does that patience look like? How is Dabo's calculus
Speaker 2: change that program? I think the danger coming from the
Speaker 2: call in the house doesn't really exist because the acc
Speaker 2: is at a point where who is legitimately dangerous? Which
Speaker 2: grouping of teams right now could we even envision being
Speaker 2: legitimately dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's hard to see. To me, it's hard to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I don't see an existential threat there.
Speaker 2: I think the existential threat is obviously Dabbo leaving. But
Speaker 2: even if Dabo stays there, it's that he has grown
Speaker 2: so powerful there that maybe the drive to keep hiring
Speaker 2: and maintaining the assistance and that culture there where he's
Speaker 2: become an emperor figure, not just figure figure, not just
Speaker 2: like Nick Saban has done, but he has done it
Speaker 2: in a place that essentially hasn't seen this level of
Speaker 2: success in what thirty years. Danny Ford was good in
Speaker 2: the eighties, but they were okay with seven win seasons
Speaker 2: in the nineties and two thousands. So knowing that and
Speaker 2: knowing that he has that status, how motivated is Dabbo
Speaker 2: on the throne If he has to do what Nick
Speaker 2: Saban does, which is completely overhauling his staff every or
Speaker 2: every two or every two and a half year or
Speaker 2: something like that, that to me is the great unknown.
Speaker 2: So I think you're right on that.
Speaker 1: The other point that I'd bring up is Clemson has
Speaker 1: had really good quarterback play in recent memory. Is that
Speaker 1: a slight against Kyle Parker It kind of is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hit twenty home runs and through twenty touchdown in
Speaker 1: a single year. But if you look at the track
Speaker 1: record at Clemson of quarterbacks, go back to Taj Boyd.
Speaker 1: You know, let's go back ten years, TODJ Boyd full stout, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson, obviously, Trevor Lawrence. They have really hit on quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It seems like the dj UIL is going to be fine. Sure,
Speaker 1: but if there is a year where they miss or
Speaker 1: two years where they miss, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: as confident in Clemson digging out from that as I
Speaker 1: would be in Alabama.
Speaker 2: What level quarterback miss would would take them from the
Speaker 2: playoff to you know, the Minukey car care Ball if
Speaker 2: that still exists. I mean, like aus Kelly Bryant was
Speaker 2: a replacement level quarterback and he took him to the playoff. Right,
Speaker 2: So we we are talking, can can we do an
Speaker 2: exercise that we promise is not I don't think what
Speaker 2: is definitely gonna come off as insulting, Like I'm looking
Speaker 2: at this year's quarterback efficiency rankings. These are like the
Speaker 2: most efficient quarterbacks across the country and conference games. So
Speaker 2: could Jack Plumber perdue part time starter take Clemson too
Speaker 2: the playoff? No, Max Duggan.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to throw a TCU quarterback out,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna say yes.
Speaker 2: So Adrian Martinez. I think all of these answers are
Speaker 2: probably yes, just because the acc that defense Travis etn
Speaker 2: I know it was a different line this year, but
Speaker 2: I'm just if you're averaging out for talent.
Speaker 1: Reason, consider that no quarterback at all, just like they.
Speaker 2: Start Amari Rodgers. That's a quarterback, like an emergency quarterback.
Speaker 2: Chase Brice. Yeah, Chase Price would not have been able
Speaker 2: to take Clemson too the playoff to me, but you
Speaker 2: might have to go pretty far down this like filter
Speaker 2: Covid could take Clemson to the playoff.
Speaker 1: I know they're so good at all the other positions,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like if you get like a
Speaker 1: year or two in there with really down quarterback play,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, though, there is an element of if Clemson
Speaker 2: has the eighty fourth most productive quarterback in the nation
Speaker 2: but is still surrounded by crazy five star talent up front, receiver,
Speaker 2: running back, defense, doing everything, you know, shouldering the load.
Speaker 2: You're getting the absolute best quarterback transfer to Clemson, aren't you?
Speaker 1: More than likely? Yeah, it's not gonna last more than
Speaker 1: a year. JT.
Speaker 2: Daniels is going to Clemson. Whoever that that headline transfer
Speaker 2: portal quarterback is just can go to Clemson and immediately
Speaker 2: step in and succeed. So it's hard to see at
Speaker 2: Clemson quarterback issues for multiple years existing. I think it's
Speaker 2: the laziness. I think it's the attrition, and I think
Speaker 2: it's what what does Clemson look like in terms of
Speaker 2: how attractive it is? If Dabbo leaves for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: He leads to start like a talk podcast for the
Speaker 1: Ringer could see it.
Speaker 2: How attractive is an open Clemson job? Premium premium results
Speaker 2: these past few years, superpower results. What type of name
Speaker 2: does Clemson attract? Is it internal with Venables or Tony
Speaker 2: Elliott or are they are they taking a big swing
Speaker 2: with Lincoln Riley or whoever. I don't know why Lincoln
Speaker 2: Riley would leave Norman. He's got a very good at
Speaker 2: a home. But I don't know, all right, do you
Speaker 2: I see?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Clemson still like it's not a headline
Speaker 2: program in terms of national awareness in the way that Alabama,
Speaker 2: Ohio State are, even though the results are there. I wonder,
Speaker 2: I wonder what type of external name Clemson can attract.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 2: It's not as obvious as one of the other schools
Speaker 2: we're talking about, so that to me.
Speaker 1: Is an issue.
Speaker 2: It's attrition internally and it's externally. What can they attract externally?
Speaker 1: Let's go to Oklahoma since you mentioned Lincoln Riley. Okay,
Speaker 1: first things first, as we've been acknowledging with each of
Speaker 1: our teams here, in all cases the coach leaving will
Speaker 1: be somewhat catastrophic. Lincoln Riley going to the NFL will
Speaker 1: be really catastrophic for you think, So I do, I
Speaker 1: do explain. I think he is about as good of
Speaker 1: a candidates you're going to find who you can get
Speaker 1: him when he's young and perhaps willing to stay for
Speaker 1: like fifteen years. Yeah, it's sort of rare to find
Speaker 1: those guys anymore. And he seems really happy there, seems
Speaker 1: to be building something there, and to lose somebody like that,
Speaker 1: in effect, you're kind of starting over, So that'd be
Speaker 1: a big deal. And I also think the way that
Speaker 1: he has put his brand on the program has been
Speaker 1: really notable. You know. The other point I have here
Speaker 1: is if he goes a year or two missing that
Speaker 1: high level quarterback play, Oklahoma is not good enough on defense.
Speaker 1: They haven't been to kind of make up the difference
Speaker 1: for an offense that can't score right. So, I think
Speaker 1: I think that's a very obvious thing to point out.
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley leaving going to the NFL, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the program goes from there. Clearly,
Speaker 1: you know a historic program that's going to attract top
Speaker 1: coaching talent. But to start over with somebody in a
Speaker 1: different mindset, that's the problem. And then you're not fully starting.
Speaker 2: Over if you hire internal like Lincoln Riley was, if
Speaker 2: you hire you know, Alex Grinch or somebody like that.
Speaker 1: Correct, But is Alex Grinch gonna pump out multiple Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winning quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: No, it's an unsustainable pattern. But yeah, I understand what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think some combination of link in either leaving or
Speaker 1: missing a few years at the quarterback position, specifically at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, since that's really where he's made his Hay.
Speaker 1: Some combination of those two things could be enough to
Speaker 1: take this program in a much, much different direction.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma is the one I might feel the best about
Speaker 2: actually in this situation. Who the hell are you scared
Speaker 2: of in the Big Twelve right now? Unless you play
Speaker 2: Kansas State literally every week on the schedule, Who are
Speaker 2: you actually scared is going to rise up to become
Speaker 2: a superpower? I guess you could be concerned about Texas,
Speaker 2: but kind of been there, done that. We're talking about
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkisian, who I have high hopes for given what
Speaker 2: I've seen out of recent offenses, but being an offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator is very different.
Speaker 1: We called him seven win Steve for a resent. That's right,
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: So Oklahoma is a place that all the resources are there.
Speaker 2: The pressure to win national championships is not there. The
Speaker 2: pressure just win the Big Twelve, be a national contender,
Speaker 2: get into the playoff, you know, ring some bells of
Speaker 2: other powers occasionally, or decent teams whatever. Oklahoma's better positioned
Speaker 2: to succeed in their conference in the long term than
Speaker 2: maybe any of these teams, just because of what their
Speaker 2: schedule looks like. It's a mess of a middle class
Speaker 2: of flawed teams that do some things well. But right now,
Speaker 2: Iowa State's interesting. I don't know how long people think
Speaker 2: Matt Campbell's going to be an ames. I hope it's
Speaker 2: for a very long time. But that doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: a sustainable partnership because he's just going to attract that
Speaker 2: much attention. So Oklahoma should be able to whether it's
Speaker 2: internally externally, what will help Hell to freeze over and
Speaker 2: see Oklahoma back in the I guess the depths of
Speaker 2: where they were in the Bob Stoops era, which is
Speaker 2: holidayble type games or whatever Ali Mobile, whatever the analog is.
Speaker 2: Now what that game is is basically not just missing
Speaker 2: on quarterbacks, but missing on more defensive coordinators. Lincoln Riley
Speaker 2: was also the guy who kept Mike Stoops on board
Speaker 2: for I think almost assuredly too long. So that's an
Speaker 2: issue that if they keep having to win fifty one
Speaker 2: to forty eight games, they're going to keep losing more
Speaker 2: and more. So the defense has taken nice steps forward,
Speaker 2: but you lose Alex Grinch and you make another dut
Speaker 2: of a higher well, that's that's a pretty bad issue
Speaker 2: that's hard to overcome no matter how good. You are
Speaker 2: detracting the nation's best quarterbacks. But I still think Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: because of how well set up they are to succeed
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve, will attract a bigger.
Speaker 1: Name than Clemson.
Speaker 2: I think Clemson set up to win an acc But
Speaker 2: Clemson is dabbo, whereas Oklahoma has had you know, they've
Speaker 2: had blips of of bad runs. But we're still talking
Speaker 2: about Bob Stoop is an all time great college football coach.
Speaker 2: I think he was just inducted in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: You talk Barry Switzer, you're talking now Lincoln Riley, Like
Speaker 2: there is it's very clearly a school that's going to
Speaker 2: set up a coach to succeed. I think it's bad
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator hires and I guess Texas fully becoming a
Speaker 2: full on super how Yeah, that was the other assumption
Speaker 2: that I was going to push back. There's like nine
Speaker 2: s's at the end of that word guess, well, of course,
Speaker 2: But let's unpack that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we've been waiting a while for
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. To the middle class of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: Let's say to rise up and make it a much
Speaker 1: deeper conference. Now, look, week in week out, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of offense generally in the Big Twelve, and we've
Speaker 1: seen strange upsets pretty much every year in that conference.
Speaker 1: It just happens, the thing. But I can't say for
Speaker 1: sure that we've really seen that many teams from the
Speaker 1: so called middle class bubble up to the point, maybe
Speaker 1: outside of Iowa State, bubble up to the point where
Speaker 1: we start to consider them among the upper crust. I
Speaker 1: feel like the conference needs to get deeper as a whole.
Speaker 1: At the same time, some of this stuff is going
Speaker 1: wrong for Oklahoma, you know, threats again coming from within
Speaker 1: the conference to knock them down a peg at the
Speaker 1: same time that they're struggling at quarterback and their defense
Speaker 1: is a mess. It's going to take a confluence of
Speaker 1: events like that. If Lincoln's going to be there for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, they're going to need some combo like
Speaker 1: that to knock them back a pig is.
Speaker 2: Does he have that status, by the way, that first
Speaker 2: name only status, if Lincoln's going to be there.
Speaker 1: I mean, on this show he does, because we're we're
Speaker 1: obviously boys with Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2: But yeah, of course, yeah, it's tough to see. But Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's going to down to defense, the NFL
Speaker 2: calling Lincoln Riley's name, and I'm trying to think what's
Speaker 2: specifically problematic about Oklahoma and the open market looking for
Speaker 2: a coach, because it's been a while. They went after
Speaker 2: Bob Stoops after he was a defensive coordinator at Florida.
Speaker 2: So just I think that the ADS in a really
Speaker 2: good spot, and I think leadership has given everybody a
Speaker 2: good reason to trust the Oklahoma front office or whatever
Speaker 2: we want to call it. Yeah, I think that's what
Speaker 2: it is. I think it's some element of maybe Alex
Speaker 2: Grinch isn't ready if he's the next guy, if Lincoln
Speaker 2: Riley Lee's for wherever next year in the NFL, and
Speaker 2: it's a bad coach, but it's going to have to
Speaker 2: be a bad coach in concert with defense conference and
Speaker 2: some level of just you know, maybe losing the AD.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's hard to see. It's hard to see that
Speaker 2: that conference just still seems so shallow at the top,
Speaker 2: Like how many times is Oklahoma State? How many times
Speaker 2: is Mike Gundy beaten the Sooners twice in fifteen years?
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, sixteen years?
Speaker 1: You want to play a little bit of three d chess. Sure,
Speaker 1: what if the reason Lincoln Riley Lee's and the reason
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma freezes as part of hell freezing over of
Speaker 1: course continue is because of the college football playoff system. Huh?
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is because the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve is finding itself in these odd situations where it's
Speaker 1: left out in the cold. A young, upstart, ambitious coach
Speaker 1: like Lincoln Riley just does not get the opportunity as
Speaker 1: much as he would like to play for a slash
Speaker 1: winter national championship. Right, So, rather than deal with this
Speaker 1: goofy college system, Lincoln decides, screw it, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the NFL. I can play it out, play it off
Speaker 1: the way we're supposed to in any mature sport. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And I'm leaving Oklahoma, Yeah, I mean, anybody who loses
Speaker 2: their great coach is gonna suffer likely. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think what's unique to Oklahoma, though I'm trying to. I
Speaker 2: suppose it is that element of not garnering respect in
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve and being left out in the cold.
Speaker 2: But I internally, is there anybody upset at Oklahoma with
Speaker 2: where the Sooner stands? With so I can't they've had
Speaker 2: It's not like they've got undefeated and been left out.
Speaker 2: You lose Iowa State, you lose to Kansas State. I
Speaker 2: mean that's that's sort of the reality. So yeah, not
Speaker 2: only is it Lincoln Riley leaving, but it's a coach
Speaker 2: coming in screwing up recruiting in concert with I think
Speaker 2: Texas becoming a superpower for ever asleep the Godzilla under
Speaker 2: the Does Godzilla sleep way down deep in the ocean?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? I don't know. I believe it is.
Speaker 1: So I think that's it.
Speaker 2: But that's only one game. If Texas is a superpower,
Speaker 2: you're only going eleven and one.
Speaker 1: And them again. Okay, I'll go to Ohio State here,
Speaker 1: so they're more interesting to me, I think so. I
Speaker 1: highlighted Ohio State on my list here as the singular
Speaker 1: most interesting team in this discussion. Ohio State, unlike the Alabama, Clemson,
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma discussions, is very different. I don't think we
Speaker 1: can say for sure that if Ryan Day leaves, they're
Speaker 1: gonna tank because we only got one full season really
Speaker 1: out of Ryan Day. It was a very good season,
Speaker 1: and what we saw from them this year was again
Speaker 1: very good. Justin Field's a very good quarterback. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen Ryan Day with a quarterback other than Justin Field.
Speaker 1: So I think this is actually a lot more to
Speaker 1: be determined then you might think just looking at recent
Speaker 1: recent expectations, recent results. I mean, he had Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 1: as an interim if we count that. But yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I this, like I said earlier, this is an example
Speaker 1: of a legendary coach leaving Ryan Day. Assuming from within
Speaker 1: you're one in year two, pretty good. I think it
Speaker 1: will absolutely take the rise of someone else in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten East to counterbalance Ohio State and siphon off recruits. Now,
Speaker 1: but does that knock them to eight and four? And
Speaker 1: it doesn't knock made him four? Right, But you got
Speaker 1: to start somewhere, and I think the immediate starting point
Speaker 1: is Ohio State not winning the Big Ten Championship or
Speaker 1: Big Ten East every year. Got to start there. Now,
Speaker 1: Can Penn State get there? Maybe? Maybe can Michigan get there?
Speaker 1: Feeling a lot less confident about that one as of late,
Speaker 1: but those would be the two obvious candidates in the
Speaker 1: East to jump up. Maybe Michigan State put something together
Speaker 1: a couple of years in the future, but in the
Speaker 1: short term, I think it's either Penn State or Michigan
Speaker 1: to rise up and start knocking on the door. I
Speaker 1: will be very interested to see what happens this year,
Speaker 1: not because I think it's the start of any great
Speaker 1: downfall for the Buckeys, but Justin Fields is going pro
Speaker 1: and we are going to have an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: that new quarterback situation and see what Ryan Day can do.
Speaker 1: One of the other things that we've seen recently with
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Ohio State has been very, very good. Again,
Speaker 1: I can't emphasize that enough, but we've seen some deficiencies.
Speaker 1: One of the things that Ryan Day came in and
Speaker 1: did year one was fix the defense, because defense in
Speaker 1: the last year of Urban Meyer was sort of a mess.
Speaker 1: So he came in, he fixed some things, He made
Speaker 1: them a better school. But I'm curious to see if
Speaker 1: he can continue to steer clear of those deficiencies now
Speaker 1: in the short term, because eventually, if you have enough
Speaker 1: of that, it starts to add up. I feel like
Speaker 1: with Day, as compared to some of these others. We
Speaker 1: could talk about Mery crystal Ball in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but today especially, I don't feel like we have enough
Speaker 1: data to really make an accurate assessment on what it
Speaker 1: would take for them to freeze over.
Speaker 2: So you almost think he there's a very slight chance
Speaker 2: and I don't think either one of us believe this,
Speaker 2: but there's a slight chance that there is some mark
Speaker 2: Helfrich Larry Kocher after the guy I do keeps it
Speaker 2: going for a stretch, but not necessarily on the level
Speaker 2: of an all time predecessor.
Speaker 1: It's diminishing returns, right, and we've seen it time and again.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean Ryan Day's back coach, And you're right, I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think that he's going to
Speaker 1: go that route, but I think it's a bit of
Speaker 1: an incomplete right now. He happened to take over at
Speaker 1: Ohio State maybe at the time that they were getting
Speaker 1: like the best quarterback to ever go to Ohio State,
Speaker 1: and justin fields, you can say you went about that
Speaker 1: and they were good elsewhere, produced a lot of great
Speaker 1: defensive talent, no doubt, but they were gettable on defense.
Speaker 1: This here sure watched an Indiana game. They're gettable, right,
Speaker 1: like they weren't social National championship. Watch the National Championship.
Speaker 1: But how much you can hold that against them going
Speaker 1: against an Alabama remains me seen, but you know, they're
Speaker 1: not as bulletproof, and I just am not totally convinced
Speaker 1: that Ryan Day is just going to be on this
Speaker 1: glide path to the playoff every year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there are a couple of things that are interesting
Speaker 2: to me about Ohio State because infrastructure wise, they are
Speaker 2: so well equipped. The recruiting department and just the sheer
Speaker 2: volume of people that goes into Ohio State winning is
Speaker 2: crazy impressive. They have to recruit in a way kind
Speaker 2: of nationally they I mean, you look at the footprint
Speaker 2: of this last amazing recruiting class and there's not a
Speaker 2: ton of Midwest footprint. So they have to go out there.
Speaker 2: There has to be charisma, there has to be that effort.
Speaker 2: I think there will be, but I think the danger
Speaker 2: is in well one, Ryan Day has coached in the
Speaker 2: NFL and so I don't know what that appeal is
Speaker 2: long term. But if Ohio State keeps blitzing through the
Speaker 2: Big Ten and losing in it's close, big fashion whatever
Speaker 2: to the powers in college football, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's going to feel like he hit his ceiling at
Speaker 2: Ohio State and then it's it basically just takes a
Speaker 2: coach to come in and say we're going to play
Speaker 2: smash mouth football and get away from what attracted players
Speaker 2: to Ohio State, and all of a sudden, you're turning
Speaker 2: off players in Arizona or Georgia or North Carolina who
Speaker 2: want to play a very specific way. I think that's
Speaker 2: an element to it. I'm not really worried about Ohio
Speaker 2: State playing in the Big Ten and not necessarily playing
Speaker 2: in huge games, as Michigan and Penn State are now
Speaker 2: kind of down and there's no real obvious team in
Speaker 2: the Big Ten that is shaping up.
Speaker 1: To be a long term rival near their level.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a huge issue because I think, honestly,
Speaker 2: these kids just want to be developed into NFL players,
Speaker 2: and Ohio State's a great place to do that, and
Speaker 2: at a number of different or every single position.
Speaker 1: So I'm not terribly worried about that.
Speaker 2: It's more right now about where Ryan Day's eyes are,
Speaker 2: who Ryan Day actually is long term, because what we
Speaker 2: know about urban Meyer and Nick Saban is that they
Speaker 2: are just built differently. They are cyborgs. Nick Saban has
Speaker 2: handled things way better off the field than urban Meyer did,
Speaker 2: but to be able to maintain that level of excellence
Speaker 2: is historically incredibly rare. Ryan Day might be that guy,
Speaker 2: or he might just be, as you mentioned, a good
Speaker 2: coach but not an all time coach. You're set up
Speaker 2: to succeed at Ohio State, but you also have to
Speaker 2: bring in that your own ability to maintain. So that
Speaker 2: to me is still a giant question mark. Is the
Speaker 2: Ryan Day element? And what does he deal look like
Speaker 2: with attrition? He inherited a lot of these guys. Now
Speaker 2: he lose Jeff Hafley, and he brought in a couple
Speaker 2: of his own guys. I think the guys from Michigan, right,
Speaker 2: Greg Madison and Al Washington. Madison just retired. So what
Speaker 2: does Ohio State look like in terms of Ryan Day's
Speaker 2: connections and ability to attract coordinators? Because as good as
Speaker 2: Ohio State looks to be for the foreseeable future, that
Speaker 2: just means they're gonna be losing dudes for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: So the attrition thing seems very real, especially if you're
Speaker 2: hiring assistants from other parts of the country. Say, that's
Speaker 2: worrisome that there is absolutely no proof at this moment
Speaker 2: that Ryan Day in year four or five can keep
Speaker 2: making incredible decisions, because as we saw with urban Meyer,
Speaker 2: he made some bad.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly. I think the risk is always a
Speaker 1: little bit higher, clearly when you've got a newer coach.
Speaker 2: I don't think of how State fans look fondly back
Speaker 2: at the Greg Ciano defenses all the time.
Speaker 1: No, not all the time. Yeah, this is a big
Speaker 1: year for Day. It is a really big year for
Speaker 1: Ryan Day. And obviously, look there's a lot more to
Speaker 1: it just a quarterback position. But this is a guy who,
Speaker 1: to your earlier points, been really good at coaching quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: came in with a really good one to help lead
Speaker 1: him through years one and two. Who's the guy after
Speaker 1: Ryan Day? By the way.
Speaker 2: That he takes like, you know, the Cincinnati Bengals job,
Speaker 2: or he takes I don't know what NFL jobs might
Speaker 2: become an open sooner or something like that.
Speaker 1: The Texans job. I could see that being a Matt Campbell.
Speaker 2: Jeff Haffley, you really like Jeff promising love Jeff Haffley.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, could be Matt Campbell, could be
Speaker 2: Jeff Haffley. It's interesting names.
Speaker 1: Let's go rapid fire quick here through all right, three
Speaker 1: other schools. Let's start with your Oregon Ducks. Dan. First off,
Speaker 1: we've seen it recently. Yeah, we've seen it recently ago.
Speaker 1: Are are you confident in the crystal Ball era at
Speaker 1: this point that he's got them on the straight and narrow,
Speaker 1: that that there's a nice upward trajectory We talked earlier
Speaker 1: Tyler Schuck is transferring out Anthony Brown with at the starter.
Speaker 1: That does not leave me feeling uber confident. But I
Speaker 1: do still feel like Oregon's done a really good job
Speaker 1: in the recruiting trail and that ye, crystal Ball is
Speaker 1: building towards something greater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all signs point to a nice run.
Speaker 2: The the issues are while they lost this year, to
Speaker 2: callan Oregon State inferior talent teams that put together a
Speaker 2: better win and took advantage of Oregon mistakes like pretty
Speaker 2: good teams do. So he has not built a killer
Speaker 2: on the field. Now, they had a ton of opt outs, whatever,
Speaker 2: But I'm not here to excuse things. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day, you got to win your games. I
Speaker 2: think the quarterback issue should be Okay, the problem to
Speaker 2: me with Oregon and why they come back down to
Speaker 2: earth because I think He's just he's always going to
Speaker 2: recruit well, and his assistant hires have been very good.
Speaker 2: And Joe Morehead and Andy Avlos. Now we'll see with
Speaker 2: Tim de Ruder and whoever is after Joe Morehead, who
Speaker 2: I assume is not going to be terribly long for
Speaker 2: Eugene maybe another year, maybe two, just because he's from
Speaker 2: somewhere else. I think the issue is going to be
Speaker 2: an element of being too stubborn in wanting too much
Speaker 2: control over in his case the offense, and Oregon is
Speaker 2: just is Eugene Oregon going to attract an aid list
Speaker 2: coach if Mario Christabal takes Oklahoma or Georgia or something big,
Speaker 2: if he wins big at Oregon Miami, who knows what
Speaker 2: level coach does that attract. Matt Ruhle chose Baylor over Orgon,
Speaker 2: Willie Taggart chose Oregon. They paid him well and he
Speaker 2: left right away to go back home to take a
Speaker 2: dream job for two years. So how well can Oregon
Speaker 2: both attract Chip Kelly was an internal hire as offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Mike Blotti had a West Coast footprint and was an
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator at Oregon.
Speaker 1: He was internal.
Speaker 2: What does Oregon look like in terms of an open
Speaker 2: market coaching hire. I think it's a B plus destination
Speaker 2: in terms of how attractive it is to the best
Speaker 2: head coaches and coordinators across the country. But I don't
Speaker 2: think it's a no brainer to pick up your family
Speaker 2: and move to Eugene, Oregon. As somebody who did that,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a no brainer. Not my family,
Speaker 2: that would have been weird. But it's a medium sized
Speaker 2: town in central West Oregon. It's kind of far away
Speaker 2: from the hot beds of college football, especially with the
Speaker 2: Pac twelve where it is right now.
Speaker 1: So I think that's ultimately what it is.
Speaker 2: It's as as popular as Oregon is with some younger
Speaker 2: players and as good as they've built their reputation as
Speaker 2: a cool place to play football in practice, what are
Speaker 2: they able to attract in terms of a head coach.
Speaker 2: That's that's the worry to me as an Oregon fan.
Speaker 2: Why they go back to becoming a Holiday Bowl team
Speaker 2: is so it was a good internal hire of Mario
Speaker 2: Cristobal that seems to be working out really well.
Speaker 1: It's just it's tough.
Speaker 2: It's still to me, is just very tough because if
Speaker 2: you don't have somebody like that. You either need that
Speaker 2: like schematic genius like Chip Kelly was, or a guy
Speaker 2: who can attract talent and you know, players of coaches
Speaker 2: to Eugene, which Mario Christobal is. If you're just a
Speaker 2: pretty good coach, you are going to just go to
Speaker 2: pretty good bowl games at Oregon. It's hard to overcome that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I think back to the Chip
Speaker 1: Killy era and it was just so unique. It was
Speaker 1: so unique that it gave distinct cred to that program.
Speaker 1: People wanted to play for Oregon. Yeah, because of the uniqueness,
Speaker 1: because of the offense, and because it was so flashy.
Speaker 2: He was pouring points on NFL defense is in La p.
Speaker 2: Carroll defenses, pouring points, beating them up.
Speaker 1: And christ of Ball is just not that kind of coach.
Speaker 1: He's just not right. But that doesn't mean he can't
Speaker 1: have a lot of success. And it also doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that the early returns haven't been there, because I think
Speaker 1: they have so Obviously some of the schools we're talking
Speaker 1: about at the end here are a little bit more
Speaker 1: prone to spiraling out. Does not seem like Oregon's trending
Speaker 1: in that direction, but something.
Speaker 2: No, they I mean It's a lot shakier a net
Speaker 2: right now in Eugene than it is in probably Tuscaloosa, Columbus, Clemson, Norman,
Speaker 2: much shakier net.
Speaker 1: The other school we've got listed here is Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: It may Brian Kelly leaving is an interesting thing. It's
Speaker 1: interesting for everybody. So I'll just sort of omit it
Speaker 1: and I'll talk more about the I think structure of
Speaker 1: the program right now. There's a lot of pressure, whether
Speaker 1: they admit it or not, about Brian Kelly winning the
Speaker 1: big one. And we saw the big time win in
Speaker 1: November over Clemson at home. Backup quarterback for Clemson, James
Speaker 1: Skolsky out for Clemson, but you win that game in overtime.
Speaker 1: That was a big deal, big deal for the program.
Speaker 1: You go in the AEC Championship game, you get drilled
Speaker 1: by Clemson, play in the playoffs, you get drilled against Alabama.
Speaker 1: M I don't know how many more situations like that
Speaker 1: are in Brian Kelly. I don't know how long it
Speaker 1: is until eventually the boosters and those in the program
Speaker 1: just get fed up with not winning that that big one.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame very much is the victim of its own expectations.
Speaker 1: It's always been that way. Now that they're here, the
Speaker 1: expectation is that Notre Dame is going to reclaim its
Speaker 1: former glory. And I hate to break it to folks,
Speaker 1: but that is just not realistic. That's not reality. What
Speaker 1: is that a reference to?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What era?
Speaker 2: Because as I can as I can tell right now,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame has won four straight double digit seasons for sure.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking national championships. I'm talking national champions early
Speaker 1: nineties Notre Dame, sure, sure, late eighties like eight teams
Speaker 1: that were just giant killers and consistently in the hunt, realistically,
Speaker 1: in the hunt for national championships. If they don't get
Speaker 1: there soon, I'm very curious to see what kind of
Speaker 1: effect that has on the program over the short to
Speaker 1: medium term and if that would be enough to force
Speaker 1: Kelly out, force Kelly into a state of mind, like
Speaker 1: what is it with these people? What do I have
Speaker 1: to do? I've built a good program. What do I
Speaker 1: have to do? Notre Dame, like you said, has been
Speaker 1: a double digit win team now pretty consistently, and they've
Speaker 1: been solid. The way that he's built this team has
Speaker 1: been rock solid, but much to the point of what
Speaker 1: you point out with Oregon, you know, there are always
Speaker 1: a few position groups or a bad coach hire away
Speaker 1: from things feeling like they're getting out of control. I
Speaker 1: remember back a couple of years when the quarterback position
Speaker 1: was unsettled. I went four and eight one year. Remember
Speaker 1: that was a time I think fire. Yeah, that season.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, maybe more so than any of these other schools,
Speaker 1: has been at that very questionable level recently. And you know, Kelly,
Speaker 1: to his credit, he was able to pull it together.
Speaker 1: But I just think it underscore is the point that
Speaker 1: sometimes in these situations, when you're not a juggernaut like
Speaker 1: an Alabama or a Clemson, all it takes is a
Speaker 1: few things to start to go sideways, to give the
Speaker 1: impression that the program is caving, to give the impression
Speaker 1: that a change is needed. I don't know how likely
Speaker 1: that is, but I'm very curious to watch this season.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see what happens at quarterback this
Speaker 1: season because that's the face of the program. Ian Book
Speaker 1: was there for three years. Were hateum. He was very consistent.
Speaker 1: He won a lot of games. Whether it's Jack Cohne
Speaker 1: or Tyler Buckner or somebody else, We're going to have
Speaker 1: to see now what Tommy Reese can do with a
Speaker 1: new quarterback, with Brian Kelly can do with a new quarterback.
Speaker 1: This is not a program that has a whole lot
Speaker 1: of a recent track record developing that position. Now, I
Speaker 1: think they've got depth elsewhere and they're could be very
Speaker 1: good along the lines again this season. I hope that
Speaker 1: the skill position out wide will be better and facilitate
Speaker 1: a much better year at quarterback in the passing sense.
Speaker 1: But I think if we're talking about how does this
Speaker 1: come off the swivel, I think it could ultimately come
Speaker 1: off the swivel with Notre Dame and its own base,
Speaker 1: its own fan base, its own booster base being the
Speaker 1: ones that eventually drive the coach out force a new start.
Speaker 1: I don't know who would take that job. We've talked
Speaker 1: about that one until we're blue in the face, and
Speaker 1: that new start maybe not being as promising as one
Speaker 1: would hope.
Speaker 2: I mean Notre Dame fired three straight coaches, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: So not only would Brian Kelly leaving, who's done a
Speaker 2: very good job there hurt, but the track record and
Speaker 2: obviously these are different people making different decisions, but in
Speaker 2: terms of Notre Dame. Who Notre Dame attracts. Bob Davey
Speaker 2: doesn't work out. Ty Willingham doesn't work out, Charlie Weiss
Speaker 2: does not work out. There's something about Notre Dame. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's baked into the DNA. Unofficially, Brian Kelly has a
Speaker 2: four and eight year and twenty sixteen Charlie Weiss in
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven they go three and nine. Ty
Speaker 2: Willingham as a five and seven year. Bob Davey has
Speaker 2: a five and seven year nineteen ninety nine. The big
Speaker 2: difference between Notre Dame and the rest of these schools,
Speaker 2: besides being independent, is a private parochial school. Right, It's
Speaker 2: different recruiting to Notre Dame. They've recruited some very good classes.
Speaker 2: But when you recruit a top eighteen class one year
Speaker 2: like Brian Kelly did, I think a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: as compared to a top five class, if that class
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, If that class doesn't pan out, that's
Speaker 2: a pretty big issue. And hasn't been able to find
Speaker 2: a quarterback and now that hasn't. When I say a quarterback,
Speaker 2: I mean a really strong quarterback. If you believe that
Speaker 2: Ian book was that that's fine, but obviously in bigger
Speaker 2: games in December January it didn't really work out with
Speaker 2: Ian Book and Notre Dame's offense. So there's that element
Speaker 2: to things with Brian Kelly. So if Brian Kelly's there,
Speaker 2: how does Notre Dame kareem back down to Earth. Well,
Speaker 2: it's hits in recruiting, it's saying it's top recruits, top quarterback,
Speaker 2: saying I don't necessarily want to play for a private
Speaker 2: parochial school in the middle of Indiana that hasn't developed
Speaker 2: a quarterback into an NFL caliber draft pick in quite
Speaker 2: some time, depending on what you think about Deshaun Kaiser
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Clawson in their NFL careers their Notre Dame careers.
Speaker 2: So what Notre Dame has been able to do has
Speaker 2: been crazy impressive. But a combination of quarterback maybe some
Speaker 2: of those schools on their schedule, be at ACC schools
Speaker 2: or the traditional powers that they tend to schedule in
Speaker 2: USC and Michigan, whatever. If those teams get better and
Speaker 2: then that paired with a couple of those ACC programs,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's on the rise. Clemson certainly is at an
Speaker 2: incredibly high level. We'll see about Miami and Florida State
Speaker 2: if all of a sudden outside of Notre Dame on
Speaker 2: the schedule, if that element improves. And Brian Kelly is
Speaker 2: somebody who hired Brian Van Gorder to be a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: True, yes, So.
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly has a dud hire of a coordinator in him.
Speaker 2: Like maybe you learn from that, you don't make that
Speaker 2: mistake again. But Brian Kelly is capable of making an
Speaker 2: absolute dud hire of a coordinator. So that, to me
Speaker 2: is also kind of worries some in terms of minicky
Speaker 2: car care levels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's again he corrected that emphatically with
Speaker 2: Elco and Clark Lee.
Speaker 1: He's done a great job. And I think Marcus Freeman's
Speaker 1: another strong hire. Sure coaches are allowed to make mistakes,
Speaker 1: it's how they recover from mistakes that's really important. And
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just the margin for air is
Speaker 1: it's just different at a place like a Notre Dame. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's just different because there are some of the variables.
Speaker 1: You've got, the high academic standards, you've got you know, what,
Speaker 1: do kids want to go to Indiana up play like.
Speaker 1: All these things that you've mentioned I think are very,
Speaker 1: very true, and so it's a different situation. There's subtleties.
Speaker 2: My brother went to college in Indiana. I had a
Speaker 2: great time visiting him.
Speaker 1: Went to Purdue. It's great, all right, Final one, Georgia,
Speaker 1: we're running long over time. I'm looking.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Brian Kelly's coordinator hires over the years.
Speaker 2: Mike Denbrock.
Speaker 1: I mean den Brock was a guy brought with him
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Chip Loong was an improvement but didn't work out a
Speaker 2: long term. Okay, I think that's actually I think that's
Speaker 2: actually something to pay attention to me. I think you're
Speaker 2: right about Marcus Freeman. I think he will have every
Speaker 2: opportunity to uh to keep Notre Dame's recent defensive success.
Speaker 1: Going Final Final one, Georgia, Kirby Smart takes over seemingly
Speaker 1: overnight starts to turn that program around. Now it's important
Speaker 1: to say turn around is relative, because Mark Rickt was fine.
Speaker 1: Mark Richt was decidedly above Monikey car care levels. Oh.
Speaker 2: I like this as like a college Football Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame induction introduction.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Mark Richt was fine. Place he was fine,
Speaker 1: which is also the name of Mark Rick's first album,
Speaker 1: Polite Applause Continue. But Kirby Smart comes in takes them
Speaker 1: to a different level. I'm curious to get your thoughts here,
Speaker 1: curious to get Georgia. Obviously, if Kirby Smart leaves, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the low hanging fruit. But yeah, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: place that's that.
Speaker 2: I mean, George is a place that's set up to
Speaker 2: succeed like crazy. I mean, Athens is a great town.
Speaker 2: The school puts a ton of resources into the program.
Speaker 2: The sec East is not you know, wall to wall
Speaker 2: killers like it's it's a place that's built to succeed
Speaker 2: in a way that many schools aren't. But it's they're
Speaker 2: a bad coach, They're probably always going to hire higher,
Speaker 2: They're always going to to bring in at least a
Speaker 2: good quarterback. They're gonna have good quarterback options in normal seasons.
Speaker 2: George is a harder place to me. It's almost like Norman.
Speaker 2: It's a harder place. The expectations are there without recent results.
Speaker 2: So I think patience is going to be a huge issue.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were very patient with Mark Rick, who had,
Speaker 2: you know, a really good amount of success, but they're
Speaker 2: a patient until they're like, okay, this has run its course.
Speaker 2: But what do they look like now that they've gotten
Speaker 2: used to top two three recruiting classes? They make a
Speaker 2: national championship game, That's my point. They they're winning the East,
Speaker 2: you know, most seasons of most recent years. Obviously Florida
Speaker 2: took it this year. But expectation wise, patience wise, I
Speaker 2: think there's this this sense of Kirby could be in
Speaker 2: La Gus Malsan was far more inconsistent in terms of
Speaker 2: on field results. But I think there is that element
Speaker 2: of Georgia saying we have hit our ceiling with Kirby smart,
Speaker 2: that we can't break past the Alabama glass.
Speaker 1: And I think it would be a mistake. And then
Speaker 1: to go out and you know, take a chance with
Speaker 1: somebody new. I think there is that. I think it's
Speaker 1: a patience Hubris thing with Georgia for sure. A right,
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