WEBVTT - If Hell Freezes Over... 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome to the solid verbal. Hell that for me, I'm 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.160 a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.080 be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.000 Edith Steak is that woof woof? And Dan and Tye 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.200 welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls. My 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.439 name is ty Hildebrand joining me as always still over 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:32.040 there and very cold Chicago. Lloyd Andrewwstein, how you hold up? 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:33.159 I'm good. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.800 I'm making pizzas I work out inside sometimes. And Gus 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.440 Melson is a UCF legend. Of course, I'm great. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.840 Gus Melson. You kind of stole my thunder there because 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.120 I was going to play a breaking news sound. We'll 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.919 play that in a second. Okay, okay. Solid Verbal at 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.960 gmail dot com as always is the email address. Don't 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:59.680 forget to follow along on social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.880 all the usual hotspots. We've added a twitch in there. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.520 I played a game this weekend. Felt pretty good to 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.800 shake off a bit doing. Okay, we're now in year 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.360 two of Navy. Started out too, and I all got 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.800 a prime like four star recruit to come to Navy 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:20.960 and play quarterback and serve his country. Things are changing, man, 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.960 Things are changing. We're working on it, but got a 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.080 twitch brand, the great rebrand slash solid verbal. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.720 Have you had Have you been fielding any offers to 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.360 become a new team's head yet? 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.480 No? No, we went six and six last year, so 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.880 the new offers aren't exactly too plentiful right now. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.880 How loyal do you feel to the midshipman? 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.080 I feel like I'm madis for the long haul. I'm 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.960 in it for the long haul, at least for the 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.440 nice mode lolo brand. Okay, shedding that brand, man going 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.880 going fresh here airing it out. I like it. Of 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.000 course we do have a Patreon as well at for 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.280 ballers dot com. Listen here is this is breaking news, 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:03.800 hot off the presses. I'm not going to play the 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.760 sound if you're going out to Verballers dot com. If 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.160 you look at our tears, you'll see that one of 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.000 the things we're doing in the off season is reverting 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:19.160 back to a concept, a thing, a topic list that 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.000 has long been very popular in the verballer hood, and 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.919 that is the off topic content. Dan. We've done a 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.359 couple shows like this over the years, and it seems 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.160 each time we do it gets a little bit more popular. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.040 So your recall we did what was it The Pop 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.800 Punk and Emo Show with Bill Barnwell a few years back. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.160 I mean, all of them have been with Bill, right, 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.280 you have all of them. I don't think all of them. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.080 I think we did sports video games with Bill. We 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.359 did pop punk, emo, Internet things. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:49.960 We did do with Bill. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.160 Yeah, okay, well, we'll do at least one of these 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.880 in the spring with Bill period. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.840 As part of what we're doing on Patreon, we're going 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.480 to be doing one of these per month. It's a 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.080 Patreon only release. The release this week is going to 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.200 be you and I not only deep diving our historic 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.680 careers as youth and or high school athletes, but also 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.040 talking about where we feel right now about youth and 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.280 high school athletics. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.040 Right of course, Oh there's so much. So there's our 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.640 personal stuff, there is the general archetypes. There are just 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.720 I mean that we have to dip in on what 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.400 it's like now, right just to see what that world 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.080 looks like in the present tense and not just what 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.600 it was in like nineteen ninety six. So youth sports 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.280 and everything surrounding. So we're going to talk what Okay, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.480 so it's our own experiences. We're talking getting to and 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:52.760 from games, teammates, snacks, practice games, facilities, equipment, you name it. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.040 We're going every kids got their own baseball helmet. Now 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.360 what is this world coming to? Yeah? Gen Z re 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.400 Ballers one more time is where you can find all 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.200 that info on the Patreon Dan. So we got a 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.160 Tuesday show, a Thursday show, and then the off topic 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.960 show is going to drop a little later on in 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.040 the week for the Patreon subs and only the Patreon 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:19.080 subs Dance. Yeah exclusive. Today's show, we are talking about 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:25.520 what happens if Hell freeze is over. You may be 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.400 wondering why are we playing an eight bit version of 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.679 Hotel California? Dan, Care to explain yourself? 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.039 I myself, I'm wondering too. The Eagles had a Hell 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.840 Freezes Over tour. That's a reunion tour, like they're never 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:37.880 going to get back together until Hell freezes over. And 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.839 then they got back together and called it that. Have 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.240 you seen the Eagles documentary? 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.120 By the way, I believe it's. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:49.360 Just called the Eagles TI, Hi, you need to see 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.760 the Eagles documentary. Why it's well, first of all, there's 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:59.200 so much acrimony and hate in the band that it's 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.760 like a It's a two part like four and a 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.640 half hour documentary, and the first part is the original 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.800 story of the Eagles, like how they came together and 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.120 they had these common friends and this is what recording 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.159 this seminal album was like, et cetera, et cetera. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:16.960 And then the second part. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.279 Is later stage Eagles And I'm not even a big 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.080 Eagles fan at all. I just like wild stories about 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.240 seventies and eighties rock, I guess. And the second part 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.640 is like they just hated each other and kept going 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.359 on tour because people kept wanting to see that. You 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.000 have to watch it. Let me see where it's streaming. 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.680 The Eagles documentary is streaming. It looks like Amazon. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.080 You can watch it. Yeah, you can watch a history 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.839 of the Eagles on Amazon. This is how you know 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.120 it's the off season here on the solid verbal as 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.600 we talk about Eagles documentaries. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.560 But I might see the sane I might say that 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.840 you don't have like well formed Don Felder thoughts. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.800 I may have an appetite for a show like that. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.120 Right now, I think you need another topic for one 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.200 of our off topic shows. Hey, maybe we'll just do 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:06.039 a documentary episode. I'm down with that. Okay, so today's show, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.359 Hell Freezes Over. We've been doing the thing the last 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.040 couple of weeks. By the way, we're totally steering into 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.599 the whole cold theme right now. I was trying to 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.000 harvest the day after Tomorrow, trying to find some clips 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.919 out of there, because you recall there's that deep freeze 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.400 of course scene, but they're real. There's like no good 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.520 sounds in there that I could yank, So I'm glad 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.000 we went this direction instead. Anyway, Look, we've been looking 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.960 at teams that are down and out or teams that 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.200 are on the cusp for the last few weeks. Now, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.400 of course we had the Valentine's show, but that's what 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.760 I'm gone Now this one we're looking at from a 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.159 different perspective. We're so used to talking about teams that 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.440 are low. What do they have to do to get 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.800 to the Promised Land? What about a team like Alabama, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.159 A team like Alabama, team like Clemson that has ruled 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:02.640 the roost for ah gosh, recent memory, all of recent memory, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:08.560 Dan per two, has to happen, not part say, what 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.840 has to happen for Hell to freeze over and for 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.280 a team like Obama to come crashing down to earth, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:22.400 loosely connecting real world events that affect us personally to 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.480 college football, vague concepts. It's what we do here, ty 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.800 on the Soliverble, That's what we do. That is the 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:35.920 anthem of the off season. Before we do though market news. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.520 Not going forward like I usually do, but still getting. 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:39.880 Happy with it. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.560 Okay, what do we have? Gus Melson is back, baby. 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:52.120 UCF has named gust Melzon it's new head football coach. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.960 You'll recall he was fired back in December after eight 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.880 seasons at Auburn. He went sixty eight and thirty five, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.240 was thirty nine and twenty seven in SEC play, obviously 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.800 took Auburn to the National Championship game in his very 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:12.200 first season back in twenty thirteen. He emerged really just 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.920 this weekend as the leading candidate to replace Josh Hypel 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.600 takes over at Tennessee, and he has now officially gotten 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.880 the job. Quote. I'm thrilled to be the head coach 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:27.360 at UCF, and I truly look forward to being part 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:32.599 of Night Nation. Thank you, Gus. So look say what 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.760 you want about Gus Balazan. This is a good hire 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.960 I think for UCF. Yeah, I agree, I think this 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.680 is a splash hire to go out and get Malason 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.400 late in the cycle, to bring a guy down there who, look, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.720 there's an incredible amount of talent in South Florida that 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.400 he can work with. We know he's got an offense 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:58.480 that's very attractive to skill talent. And again UCF seems 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.200 to find a guy who can come in and do 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.000 the thing on offense. If nothing else, they will be 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.199 very exciting to watch when they have the football correct. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.040 Some mixed results in hiring assistants at Auburn, but the 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.200 track record is overwhelmingly positive, even with the mediocre down 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.880 years and the inconsistencies and the struggles finding and developing 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.400 quarterbacks at times. Certainly there were highs to the Jarrett 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.520 stinnam era and Cam Newton and you know, you look 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.320 back and there were some really you know, Nick Marshall, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.360 they're promising dudes. But I think what he'll be able 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.360 to do at UCF is continue the successes. I don't 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.360 know how you know, if he goes eleven and one 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.520 at UCF this year, next year, whatever, I don't know 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.120 how long he's going to be there. With how much 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.240 turnover there is among the SEC and I guess acc 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.559 coaching ranks if he's going to stay in the Southeastern footprint. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.160 But yeah, kind of seems like a no brainer. Should 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.760 be able to recruit very well, has recruiting connections across 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.160 the region, and Lord knows that there are going to 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.680 be transfers available from Miami, Florida State, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.760 Georgia Tech, that kind of thing to help populate that roster. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.280 So I would imagine u CF is going to position 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.720 itself very well. I'm curious to see who he hires 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.520 to round out that staff, But yeah, UCF is one 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.720 of those jobs, one of the group of five jobs 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:23.000 along with I suppose Houston that geographically has positioned itself 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.360 in a really nice place. Memphis. Boise State doesn't have 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.920 the geography, but has the track record of winning where 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.880 what you know, going to Tennessee, South Carolina schools that 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.000 aren't necessarily set up infrastructure wise, roster wise to succeed, 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.480 Whereas you know, inheriting, Dylan Gabriel's pretty good start, pretty 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:48.840 good start if you're Gus Malson. So I expect impressive 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.040 things from Malson and the Knights. I do as well, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:57.160 any other news here jumping out to you. Penn State's losing. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.800 It looks like Tony Banks co d C. So it has 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.720 been with James Franklin, Brent Prye. I think he's a 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.600 secondary's coach as well or safety's coach for Penn State. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.679 Looks like he's going to Tennessee to become defensive coordinator 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.079 for Josh Hipel. Just a connected world. I don't you 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.599 have strong Tony Banks not oddly opinions. No, oka A 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.839 State's defense has largely been good. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.760 Yeah, kind of a bump step back this year, but nonetheless. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.640 Yeah, So, I mean it's always a good sign. I 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.880 will I will maintain this. Always a good sign to 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.160 have your coaches hired away from your staff instead of 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.400 having to fire them. You don't have to pay them, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.640 You get paid, and it's a good reflection on your 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.320 head coach in terms of hiring practices. So that's hopefully 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.440 it all works out for Tennessee. I saw Oregon's twenty 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.679 twenty starting quarterback Tyler Shuck announced his entry into the 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.800 transfer portal. It certainly seemed like that job is going 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.280 to be wide open, and I know I and a 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:53.920 lot of Oregon fans had high hopes for him going 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.200 into this year with Joe moorehead and it seemed like 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.400 his numbers I think don't tell the full story. Times 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.800 he did struggle and it didn't seem like the long 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.880 term answer for Oregon. But I hope he finds a 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.760 good home somewhere else, be it on the West Coast 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.120 wherever that whoever. In a lot of teams need a 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:17.520 hopefully quality quarterback, and he is at his best equality quarterback. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.120 So hope it works out. And I think he's immediately eligible. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.800 I think he has both because of the way that 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.440 eligibility has worked after the twenty twenty season and because 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.320 of how quickly he graduated. I believe he has three 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.439 years of eligibility remaining, so Brady White situation, if you will, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.000 which is great. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:36.840 I hope it works out. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.079 I hope he finds a place in locks in and 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.959 is a good quarterback all right, But Oregon is I 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.880 think decent enough in terms of depth of quarterback right now. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.280 Looks like Anthony Brown's. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.880 Probably gonna start the season, which I hope is good. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.440 I hope somebody who is inconsistent and tore both acls 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:02.440 at Boston Coe, which works out surrounded by better talent. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.960 I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that a better situation. I mean, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.000 he's gonna be surrounded by a number of talented receivers, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.560 are now experienced offensive line as Joe moorehead calling the plays, 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.800 and they have a couple of blue chips behind him, 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.720 including one true freshman who's pretty well regarded in Ty Thompson. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.120 So we shall see, we shall see. I don't I 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.280 don't think you're going to the playoff for winning a 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.720 national championship necessarily with that quarterback room. But incremental improvement 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:32.280 is always good. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:39.760 Anthony Brown, Okay, yeah, we'll see. Let's get to our game, Dan, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:47.800 let's do it. Hell freezing over. So I think we 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.400 have to come to an understanding here. Right out of 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.200 the shoot. We've got got a handful of teams listed. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:59.000 We've got Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Notre Dame Georgia. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:03.640 So whats what we're asking here is what would it 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.719 take for each of these programs the spiral out of 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.160 control and at a minimum fall down from the pedestal 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.880 where they currently find themselves. So, like, we could start 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.200 with Alabama or Clemson, since those are the two most 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.760 obvious ones. But I think we have to ask first 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.520 and foremost about each team what happens if the coach leaves. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.960 That's the most obvious thing. That's the low hanging fruit. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.120 We're not going to do the thing where we talk 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.200 about rules and fractions because rules and fractions could obviously 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.600 be an unforeseen event that affects any of these schools 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.800 in a very negative way. That's also low hanging fruit. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.640 But beyond that, I have some thoughts here on some 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.760 of these teams. I know you do as well. Why 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:49.920 don't we start with Alabama? 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.120 Should we define what we mean falling from glory and help, 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.680 raising over and careening back down to ours? Like sure, 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:02.680 from from glory to Gasparilla, glory to gain. Yeah, I'm 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.040 not saying that a team is going to utterly collapse 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.440 and get the death penalty. Excuse me, English, go one 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.720 and eleven. But you go from winning double digit games 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.320 to seven point two to eight point one games a 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.160 year over a seven year spam. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.160 It's like a Miami situation we talked about Larry Koker. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.000 Yeah, I mean a number of all of these teams 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.160 that we've listed have koreem back down to Earth at 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.280 some point for reasons that I think is. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.120 An important point that I wanted to remind everyone of. Yeah, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.520 even though it seems like there is no possible way 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.240 in Alabama or a Clemson or in Ohio State is 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.520 going to come back down to Earth, we have seen 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.440 it time and again. It happens. It's going to happen 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:54.960 again for all of these schools without fail. Yeah, well 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.400 there's okay, so we can discuss all that here, but 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:59.880 it will happen at some point. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.200 It goes without saying, like you mentioned that, not only 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.040 do you have to talk about coaching changes, but yes, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.200 let's get it right out of the way right now, 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.440 if either one of these if any of these schools 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.480 loses a coach and hires a bad coach, it can 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.880 very easily happen. I think we need to go into 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.720 some more of more detail on a more granular level, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:25.080 like what specific to these schools could because Ohio State's 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.760 context is very different from Notre Dame's context and Oklahoma, Oregon, Bama, Clemson, Georgia, whatever. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.920 Even though you know there are some overlaps in terms 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.400 of conference with say Clemson and Notre Dame this past 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.880 year or Alabama and Georgia whatever, what we're gonna get 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.160 specific to those schools because there are certainly Oh you 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:44.840 start a bad quarterback. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:45.080 And you became bad. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.720 Yes, that happens to everybody, literally everybody. We're going to 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.000 try and avoid the the layups, the guppies. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.400 Of an answer as best we can. So, okay, let's 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:01.720 that being said. Let's start with Alabama. Yeah, Alabama, your 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:06.600 national champion, Nick Saban, greatest coach of all time, Nick 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.440 Saban leaves, Nick Saban decides, well, could you give me 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.920 a Nick Saban stays in the koreem as well, do 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.600 you have that within you? I think so? Yeah. I 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.840 mean I think it needs to be said that if 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.520 Saban leaves, I don't know if a Korean's out of control, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.520 but that's probably the best chance of it happening, right, agreed, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.840 of course? Yeah? Yeah. Obviously Bama is so well rounded 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.119 at this point that you can't just point to, like 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.119 you said, a bad year or two at quarterback and 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.600 that being the tip of the iceberg that leads to 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.960 the downfall. I think the angle here is more centered 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:48.640 around recruiting, particularly with teams around Bama getting good enough 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.720 that it's harder for Bama to recruit. So, for example, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:56.440 we talked about Miami, how Alabama was moving into that 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.760 South Florida territory, building a pipeline for itself, siphoning off 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.680 some of that top talent. But if Florida State gets better, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:09.040 if they rise up, if Florida can continue itch trend, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:13.479 if Georgia can continue itch trend, if Miami could reclaim 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.880 the swagger. There are a lot of ifs here as 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.760 a game of hypotheticals, mind you, even if Gus Melson 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.360 can come in and poach a couple kids, more recruiting 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:27.720 competition for that talent over humble cycles, I think is 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.280 one way that you could start to see things trend 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:31.040 in a different direction. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.240 I don't think that's based in reality, because. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:36.920 None of this is based in reality. But continue, No, 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:37.560 I know. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.040 There are certain things about Alabama that are based in reality. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.960 The things that are based in reality about. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:42.600 Alabama is. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:49.400 An influx of quarterbacks, slash systems, slash coaches doing interesting 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:54.199 enough things to undermine Nick Saban's ability to coach an 0:18:54.240 --> 0:19:00.720 eleven twelve win team consistently because of innovation that Nick 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.760 Saban has generally capitalized on. But he hasn't been at 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.200 the forefront. He hasn't been in the forefront of running 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.920 the spread. He hasn't been at the forefront of playing 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.040 up tempo, of using RPOs. You know, there was that 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.920 inflection moment or moments when we were talking about the 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.040 SEC banning you know how quickly teams can play, and 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.679 it's saying, you know, is this what we want football 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.960 to be? So I think what it is is actually 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.399 innovation because I don't think anybody's going to pay closer 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.600 attention to the little things that Nick Saban does because 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.600 he keeps having to overhaul his staff every year and 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.480 nothing changes. They just keep winning national championships or vying 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.680 for national championships. They're in that playoff conversation. They're of 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:48.920 that caliber. So what it is is, essentially, I don't know. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.800 Tennessee and South Carolina and LSU each find their own 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:57.440 version of Hugh Freeze's system slash Johnny Manziel slash, the 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:03.440 combination of Steve Spurrier and Steve Garcia, Steven Garcia guys 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.200 like that. I think if we get a perfect storm 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.679 of that every year, I think that's the closest thing 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.480 because I don't think the recruiting is ever going to 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.600 fall off. The track record is too vast and too 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.360 deep that no coach is there a coach right now 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.119 that could come in to the SEC and say, my 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.040 track record is analogous or within arm's reach of what 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.800 Nick Saban has done in terms of winning and developing 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:28.639 NFL council. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.440 I mean, he just signed the best class of all time, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:31.919 right right. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.560 So being out recruited or seeing recruiting fall off in 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.120 an appreciable way I don't think is based in reality. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.840 I think it's much more that more and more talented 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.919 coaches take SEC money. Like if Ed Orizron doesn't work out, 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.520 all of the sudden, lsu hires Lincoln Riley, and all 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.080 of a sudden they become unbelievable killers in a way 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.560 that they only were that one season with Joe Brady 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.879 and Joe Burrow. Like, I think that's where we're heading, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.520 That the conference becomes oh stacked and top heavy with 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.800 coaching and quarterback and overall talent that the conference just 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.880 can't help but to beat itself up. Yeah, I think 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.760 side of that, Yeah, I don't see it. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.880 I think it has to come from within the SEC too, 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.600 From within the walls, coming from within the house, within 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.960 the walls of the SEC is the best chance of 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.480 this conflict rising up because look, for college football fans, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:34.120 at least to some extent, the Clemson rivalry between Clemson Alabama. Look, 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.000 it's still interesting, maybe not as interesting as it used 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.879 to be because they're in it every year, But that 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:45.080 is not going to destroy Alabama. What would really take 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.080 a toll on Bama as if it found a counterbalance 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.920 somewhere else in the SEC. And to be fair, everybody 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.280 in the conference has ripped their hair out for the 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.200 entire Nick saban Era trying to figure out how to 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.040 get to be that counterbalance. No one's really done consistently yet, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:02.720 I think at a. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.359 Minute, and the ones, the ones that occasionally do, are 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.880 only that dangerous for blips. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:12.040 A couple of years. 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.080 It's LSU for a season, or they are kind of 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.080 half a team with an amazing defense, but they can't 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.680 put it together consistently on offense. What they didn't cross 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.360 the fifty in a national championship after beating Alabama nine 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.480 to six earlier in the year. It's ole Miss imploding 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.639 under Hugh Freeze. It's Georgia not quite getting over the 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.080 hump teams like that where nobody's been able to put 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.720 it together with any sort of consistency, with Auburn being 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:36.800 the closest. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.920 And they still fired their coach. You know, the the LSU, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.720