1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. A 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: little bit of a lovely start there. Appreciate all of 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: you hanging out with us. We are in South Florida, 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: hanging out with a lot of the people here who 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: are helping make the show run in the South Florida area. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: We appreciate all of you all over the country, and 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: we hope you're having a good early start to your weekend. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: Several different stories that are floating around out there. Pressure 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: building in the Senate as Dianne Feinstein and John Fetterman's 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: health is becoming more and more of an issue. 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: Elon Musk is going to be on Tucker Carlson Monday 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: and Tuesday of next week, but he weighed in with 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: a strong take on this new trans battleground. We certainly 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: as we finished the show yesterday with you discuss the 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: fact that there was a twenty one year old Air 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: Force guy who was arrested for potentially leaking all of 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: these documents on discord. It effectively looks like he was 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: sharing them with his friends kind of in a way 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: to brag Stephen King under fire, the famous author for 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: saying men can't have babies, which is kind of a 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: reflection of where we are. Carol Markowitz from the New 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: York postal join us at one thirty. Brian Dean Wright 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: will be able to break down this information leak and 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: also the latest on Ukraine. One of bucks buddies from 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: the CIA will be formally formerly we're both formally of 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: just to be clear at two thirty, so that should 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: be an interesting conversation. But Buck, I saw this and 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: it's getting a lot of attention online and I'm curious 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: what your analysis of this would be. Elon Musk says 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: he tweeted any parent or doctor who sterilizes a child 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: before they are a consenting adult should go to prison 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: for life. Now the prison for life component, I'm not 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: sure that I believe it. 37 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: Should be a life sentence. 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: I actually do agree with him that if you are 39 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: a parent and you are in any way involved in 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: your child having surgery, which means that child could never 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: have a child him or herself, that should be a 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: crime that should be considered child abuse. And I do 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: think it's evidence that a guy like Elon Musk is 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: weighing in here of how the limits of tolerance as 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: it pertains to the trans agenda are starting to run 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: into a firewall of resistance from somewhat reasonable people nationwide. 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Look, Elon is doing phenomenal stuff and doesn't have to, 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: so I think there's always a moment we should take 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: to say that people who are on the front lines. 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: He's the richest man on the planet met right, They 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: go back. 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: And forth depending on where that's as the stock is 53 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: pretty good place to be in terms of wealth, and 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: he's sleeping on a couch on the seventh floor of 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: the Twitter headquarters so that he can try to actually 56 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: create a public square. 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: This is really not just even about Twitter and social media. 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: This is about the Internet. This is about setting a 59 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: standard of we're going to have a place where ideas 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: can be shared freely. Now, it's a struggle, it's a fight, 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: just like the First Amendment is a struggle in a fight, 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: and it's not all clear all the time. But I 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: think Elon deserves a tremendous amount of credit from all 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: of us for what he's trying to do now on 65 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: the trans policy issue. First off, some of you I 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: know we have listeners up in Washington State are familiar 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: with what just happened. They Washington State Legislature passed SB 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: fifty five ninety nine Senate Bill fifty five ninety nine. Clay, 69 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I read that the text of the bill this morning 70 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure that I knew exactly 71 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: what it does. And it me now that miners. So 72 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: people who are not yet eighteen in the state of 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Washington can run away to a shelter, whether private or 74 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: state funded, and they can have no parental notification. So 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: you're thirteen or fourteen year old can run away to 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: a shelter and have no parental notification under the following 77 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: two circumstances. Now, keep in mind they're going to say, well, 78 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: what about child abuse. Child abuse is already an exceptional 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: law that has nothing to do with this. This law 80 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: doesn't even address that. That's already statute. The law is 81 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: about transgenderism and abortion. So if you're fourteen year old, 82 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: you're fifteen year old runs away from home as a 83 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: parent because he or she thinks he is transgender and 84 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: wants to have gender affirmation procedures and surgeries, they do 85 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: not have a duty to notify the parents of the miner. Now, 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: that is what the bill does in Washington. I want 87 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: ever to be clear, they are legislating this stuff right now. 88 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: They don't want you focus on it. They don't want 89 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Clay and me here focused on it. They just want 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: to pass these laws to take away your most essential 91 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: parental rights. They want to lie about the protection of 92 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: parental rights in education in the case of Florida, and 93 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: other things. And you know there's also just so we know, 94 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: it's not just Washington. In California. This mom, we have 95 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: some audio from her. She spoke about how her her 96 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: name is Aurora Regino, and she spoke about how her eleven. 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Year old daughter. 98 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: Eleven year old daughter. 99 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Was encouraged by the school therapist after one discussion to transition, 100 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: and the school actively hid this from her as a mom. 101 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: Can we play the audio please of an Aurora mom, 102 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: Aurora Regino, talking about what happened with her one year old. 103 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: She's speaking at the Chico School board meeting. 104 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: My daughter was distressed and began questioning her sexuality, so 105 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 4: she decided to reach out to a wellness counselor at 106 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 4: her elementary school. The day my daughter shared with her 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 4: guidance counselor that she felt like a boy. The counselor 108 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: immediately affirmed this new identity. From then on, the counselor 109 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 4: continued to have one on one meetings with my daughter 110 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 4: without my knowledge. During one of those one on one meetings, 111 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: my daughter told the counselor she wanted to tell me 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: about her new identity. The counselor ignored her requests and 113 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: did nothing to support her and letting me know what 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: was going on at school. Throughout her transition, my daughter 115 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 4: changed very quickly, was bullied, and as a result, was 116 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 4: very unhappy. And because her school kept this transition a 117 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: secret for me, she was on her own. I'm a 118 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 4: busy working mother, just like the rest of you. Before 119 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: this happened to our family, I would have not believed 120 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: this was going on in our schools, especially at the 121 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 4: elementary level. 122 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: This is policy Clay in California. You know that they'll 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: caulp and you have kids. I don't, but I know 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: what the policies are because I'll read it about it. 125 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: They'll call home before they'll give a kid a tylan 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: all the school nurse will call I do I have 127 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: permission to give you know so and so a tilan All, 128 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: he's running a fever. I got a headache that there's 129 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: parental permission. You show up as an eleven year old 130 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: boy and say I think I'm a girl, and the 131 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: school says, great, we're gonna call you a different name, 132 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna dress like a girl when you get here, 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: and we're gonna hide it from your parents. Yeah, it's crazy, 134 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: it's absolutely insane. 135 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: And I have gotten those calls because I've got a 136 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: fifteen year old, a twelve year old, and an eight 137 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: year old. They go to the school nurse because they 138 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: don't feel that well. They think they need to come home. 139 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 2: They've got an upset stomach. Can we do some sort 140 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: of you know, can we give some sort of like 141 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: your point, tyland All, can we give some sort of 142 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: drug that might help out a little bit? You get 143 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: those notifications. I eleven years old. I think it just 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: brings home and bucket the story you're talking about in Washington. 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: What comes to mind for me is you run away 146 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: from home because you think that you're a different gender 147 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: than you actually are, and you can lose your parental 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: rights if that occurs. And I also wonder what sort 149 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: of care can you get. And this is just getting 150 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: into the nitty gritty of it. These surgeries are very expensive. 151 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: So if you're fourteen years old, then you are suddenly 152 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: having you're a girl and you've decided that you're a 153 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: boy and you're having your breast removed, that isn't a 154 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: cheap surgery. So what kind of gender affirming care is 155 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: the state of Washington potentially providing to miners whose parents 156 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: are clearly opposed to it? And how in the world 157 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: is that considered to be acceptable for a state to 158 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: get involved? 159 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: In California, Washington, these states, these deep blue states, if 160 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: they aren't already as a matter of law and policy, 161 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: going to be places where miners have taxpayer funded abortion 162 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: and sex change surgery protected from their parents' knowledge, because 163 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: it is implicit in all of this, or you maybe 164 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: even argue explicit in what's going on in Washington that 165 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: somehow the state legislature of Washington has a better sense 166 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: of whether your minor child should be able to sexually transition, which, 167 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: as we know, isn't even possible. The word itself, transition 168 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: is a lie. You don't transition to any other gender, 169 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: You just change some of your superficial physical characteristics to 170 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: mimic that of the other gender. The state of Washington 171 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: is saying this is something that we know better than parents. 172 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: This woman in California saying that her eleven year old 173 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: was transitioning without crazy without her knowing, and honestly, an 174 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: eleven year old would be what a fifth grader? Yeah, 175 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean you think of honestly, the cowardice among psycho 176 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: biatrists and psychologists nationwe unfortunately, it is by far the 177 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: most left wing cohort of medicine. They can actually look 178 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: at this. Surgeons, you know, fixing stuff, fixing heart, saving lives, 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: the most conservative, psychiatrists, psychologists the most liberal. I mean, 180 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: they're basically up there with like anthropology professors in college, 181 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: all Democrats, communications, all Democrats. They won't, though, the psychiatrists 182 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: and the psychiatric community won't speak out about the fact 183 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: that all the data shows an overwhelming number of people 184 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: who are particularly you know, pre adult or teenager's adolescens. 185 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: They grow out of it, and if. 186 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: You do, that's the whole concept of a tomboy. That's 187 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: why I said, fifth graders, how many of you out there, 188 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: yourselves or your kids or your friends when you were 189 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: that age. How many of you knew a fifth grader 190 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: who pre puberty thought that she was inclined to be 191 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: a boy. She ran around with boys, had short hair, 192 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: and then grew up and became a totally normal girl 193 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: when she hit this idea. That's why, that's why I'm 194 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: focusing on the fifth grade element of this book. This 195 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: is absolutely indefensible that this could ever occur. 196 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: If if someone came to you and they were severe 197 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you're a psychiatrist, and you were and 198 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: they were severely anorexic or had severe bolimia, which are 199 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: effectively anxiety disorders, manifested through obsession with control of food 200 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: and appearance, and said I'm fat, and a psychiatrist said, 201 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: you know what, You're right, You're right, we got to 202 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: restrict those calories because of health reasons. Here, you're gonna 203 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: feel better. We would all understand that that is monstrous malpractice, 204 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: that persons should lose their license and probably go to prison. Right, 205 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: we would all understand that because people can die from that, 206 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: as we know, people can die from anorexia. Now we 207 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: have children, I mean, eleven years old is a child, right, 208 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, sixteen seventeen, you're an adolescent, and 209 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: you know you could start to have more fifth gradation 210 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about fifth grader ses, Okay, And you know, 211 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: even at sixteen or seventeen, you're still not an adult. 212 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Your parents should be able to weigh in. But at 213 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: eleven you haven't even started pure. You don't know anything 214 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: about anything when it comes to your body, your physicality, 215 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: and that they are trying to set up the mechanisms 216 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: of the state so that you have to be gender 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: affirmed when someone goes to seak counseling, and it can 218 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: be even shielded from parents by the school and by 219 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: the state. Now this is anyone says, why do you 220 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: guys talk about this stuff so much? This is the left, 221 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: the vanguard. This is what they are trying to do. 222 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: They're trying to assert control over your children that supersedes 223 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: your own as loving parents as a matter of law, Clay, 224 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: how far away are we from somebody saying, and I'm 225 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: sure people are gonna tell me this has already happened 226 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: in different but I mean a widespread policy of you 227 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: won't affirm your twelve year old's gender, the state will 228 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: take the child away. That's a form of child abuse. 229 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: How far do you think we are from that? 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: Not very far in the Blue States. And this is 231 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: part and parcel of what is going on in our 232 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: country right now. Where if you're listening to us and 233 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: you're in Washington State, we love our Seattle area, our 234 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: audience there Spokane. We know you guys are sane. This 235 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: is why many people are leaving a place like Washington 236 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: State or California, because this is a form of madness 237 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: that has spread. And the inclusiveness, which is what the 238 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: baseline of this should be in the mind of the 239 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: left wing, has moved into an exclusionary insanity. And I 240 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: don't know how they get cured of this. That's what's 241 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: scary to me, Buck, because you're right, this just keeps moving. 242 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: What is going to be a moment If you believe 243 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: that an eleven year old should be able to change 244 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: their gender, the parents shouldn't know. If you believe a 245 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: kid who is a teenager should be able to run 246 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: away from home because the parents will not allow you 247 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: to get gender altering surgery, these are to me forms 248 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: of insanity that have now spread into the vanguard of 249 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: a political party. And look, this is where Joe Biden 250 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: if he actually had any mental faculties. You cannot tell 251 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: me that seventy eight or eighty year old Joe Biden 252 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: believes that fourteen year old girls should be getting their 253 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: boobs chopped off. 254 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: But see this, This actually shows you the fundamental lie 255 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: at the heart of Joe Biden's presidency, Joe Biden's election. 256 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: The campaign, it was you can trust me, I'm a 257 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: mad I'm a really old guy, and ever that was 258 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: all crap. He his White House is pushing for the 259 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: most radical gender and transgender ideology of imaginable. 260 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: And I don't they don't think he understands any of 261 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: this is that's one. 262 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: He's just he's just the mechanism. He's the trojan He's 263 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: the trojan horse. He's the mechanism of pushing this stuff through. 264 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: And also, I want to come back here in a second, 265 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: because someone spoke out in favor of hiding this from 266 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: the parents, favor of hiding this from parents at the 267 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: same school district meeting, and it was a lady who 268 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: happens to have a beard. You need to see the 269 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: velf described lady. But the lady has a beard, and 270 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: I think would be either of us in an arm 271 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: wrestling contest. So make of that what you will, But 272 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: it was an activist who came forward to speak, and 273 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: we will address the comments of the bearded lady in 274 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: a moment here. We'll get to that in just a second. 275 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,359 Speaker 1: The market has been brutal. Everyone's talking about inflation. It's everywhere. 276 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: Clay and I recently met with Dutch Mendenhall. Dutch is 277 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the founder of rad Diversified. 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We had just been talking 294 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: about how there's this fight in California over whether parents 295 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: should be notified of kids transitioning. Well, we did want 296 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: to let you hear from an activist, a transactivist who 297 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: was introduced as a squeaky Saint Francis, a self identified feme. Well, 298 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,239 Speaker 1: well you know what, let's hear how this individual identifies 299 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: play it. 300 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: I will speak loud for those who cannot speak. I 301 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 5: am a proud he she they them whatever. I am 302 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 5: a boyfriend to a beautiful woman. I am a girlfriend 303 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 5: to a handsome trance man, and I'm also a girlfriend 304 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 5: to an incredibly beautiful woman. Growing up in this town, 305 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 5: my mother always told me to. 306 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: Look at it. We got the idea. He goes on, 307 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: I just point out, I mean, so this this individual 308 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: is saying he's a girlfriend, he has, he looks like 309 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: he outweighs both of us and has a beard. 310 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: He's a bearded man in a dress. And when you 311 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: showed me this video, I thought to myself, this can't 312 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: possibly be real. He has to be in on a prank. 313 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: And somehow he has three girlfriends and boyfriends. And I 314 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: can't even keep up with all the different derivations. 315 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: But I mean, just by way of observation, I do 316 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: believe he qualifies as a bearded lady. 317 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 2: Legitimately, I think, yeah, so go get signed up three 318 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: of them. Maybe there's a fourth. Maybe you could be 319 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: the next boyfriend or girlfriend of the bearded man, bearded lady, 320 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. 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This twenty one year old I think it's 340 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: still fair to call somebody in that age a kid. 341 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: I understand some of you out there are going to say, oh, 342 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: he's too old to be called a kid, But twenty 343 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: one year old kid effectively, in my opinion, not very 344 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: highly placed inside of the United States military. And he 345 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: got caught months after he did it for posting classified 346 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: documents on a discord server that he and buddies were 347 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 2: interacting on. And I was doing some research or reading 348 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: on this this morning, Buck, and it sounds like these 349 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: were just kind of guys who found themselves together online 350 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: where they would share funny memes, they would share a 351 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: variety of different sort of topical interaction and it really 352 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: kind of took off during COVID because all of them 353 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: felt isolated. They weren't able to have normal interactions as 354 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: they generally would. And I don't know when I and 355 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: I'm curious if you would agree with this. When I 356 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 2: read about what this kid was doing, it doesn't feel 357 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: like this was some grand expose where he has a 358 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: strong opinion on what's going on with the war in 359 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 2: Ukraine or Russia relations or anything else. And maybe I'm 360 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: looking at it from the perspective of a dad who 361 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: has a fifteen year old who is active on discord 362 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: and he's on there with his teenage buddies and they 363 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: just kind of interact during the course of the day 364 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: and when they get home and they share funny things 365 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: with each other. And for people out there who don't 366 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: really understand this discord as I understand it based on 367 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: seeing the way my kid uses it is basically your 368 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: own private message board that you can control who comes 369 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: in and out. 370 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: You have to approve somebody private repost. It's like a 371 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: private Reddit. That would be a good way to describe it. Yeah, 372 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: So you know, look, I know the laws about classification 373 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: because I had to abide by them when I was 374 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: in the CIA, and actually you have to keep abiding 375 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: by them once you leave. You sign a very substantial 376 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: and very scary looking NDA, and you know there's prison 377 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: terms attached to a lot of things. I understand that 378 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: there are some people, some conservatives, particularly right now, who 379 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: I respect a lot like a lot and think do 380 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: great work, who are already saying that this is a 381 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: snowed in like situation. He's a heroic whistleblower, and he's 382 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: effectively what I laid out yesterday was there is a 383 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: threshold for which letting people know the truth can you 384 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: can argue supersedes your obligation to protect classified information. You 385 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: can argue it. It gets to be very tough, right 386 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: because it's also all right, well, did you really Now, 387 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: let's go through that for a second, because that's the 388 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: claim that's being made. Did this guy redact things that 389 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: have nothing to do nothing to do with whether the 390 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: government's lying about Did he redact sources and methods? Redact 391 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: maybe something that might indicate where we're getting information, say 392 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: either from within the Russian Intelligence Services, which is I mean, 393 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: people can die because of this stuff. Individuals can lose 394 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: their lives because of this I saw somebody you know, 395 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: earlier today, I think it was the former DN I 396 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: Ratcliffe on Fox and he was saying, well, this is 397 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: in the same line as he named all these leakers, 398 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: and I said, hold on a second. The Snowden leak 399 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: is different from the Hansen leak or the aldrich Ames leak. Right, 400 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: these are different individuals selling names of people who are 401 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: sources for the federal government to the Soviets at the time, 402 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: who will then execute these people. That's you're basically murdering 403 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: people for money, right. That's different than letting people know 404 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: about as Snowden did a massive dragnet surveillance operation that 405 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: the government was lined the American people about these things 406 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: should not be all put in the same bucket and 407 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: treated the same way. There are distinctions here. So then 408 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: that brings me to this, Jack, how do you text say? 409 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: And I may be mispronouncing that because I'm clearly not 410 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: the expert on. 411 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: So that brings me to let's just say to Jack 412 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: here and what he did to people who are saying now, 413 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: the only way that what I'm telling you right now 414 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: is wrong and it may be wrong, is if there's 415 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: additional information we don't know, which is always the case 416 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: with an early situation like this, and or the Washington 417 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: Post in New York Times are entirely fabricating narratives around 418 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: this from other sources and everything else. But I mean, 419 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: all I can do is go on with the reporting 420 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: is that has been presented so far. Based on the 421 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: reporting so far, what you said, this looks like a 422 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: young guy who had access to super sensitive material, who 423 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: was sharing that material with his friends. That seems like 424 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: he essentially was just trying to be like, hey, look 425 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: at this cool stuff. At no point did he make 426 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: an effort to take it to anybody in Congress, his 427 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: chain of commands or distre widely period. He didn't decide 428 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: to distribute this to everybody. Okay, So if we want 429 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: to talk about a heroic leaker narrative, you'd want to 430 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: find out, Okay, well, who's the person that looked at 431 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: this and said, oh my god. The American people need 432 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: to know because based on what we're told, I understand 433 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: this could be New York Times, you know, deep state 434 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Washington Post stuff. But based on what we know so far, 435 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: there's no basis to believe that he even thought he 436 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: was doing some public service with this. What it seems 437 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: like is he's a young guy who was working really 438 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: on the IT side, not an analyst, not a high 439 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: level policy guy, and the military intelligence circles at all. 440 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's, you know, twenty one years old. He 441 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: saw stuff that was marked super secret that had to 442 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: do with Ukraine that would be interesting, and he allegedly 443 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: put it in unsecured forums, went through the process of 444 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: photographing and everything else. So I understand that because we 445 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: are being lied to about Ukraine, okay, and the Ukrainians 446 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: are not winning the war also true. I mean I've 447 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: known that. I've been saying this to you and on 448 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: the show for a long time. Ukinan are not winning 449 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: this war. People look at this guy and immediately say, 450 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: I think he's a leaker. Sorry, I think he's a whistleblower. Right. 451 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I look at this and I say, you're creating motive 452 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: for him by saying that that is not yet, not 453 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: yet rooted. In fact, if we have more, if it 454 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: comes out, if there are court filings that show us 455 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: that actually he thought that we're heading toward nuclear war 456 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: and create I will come back and I'll say, all right, 457 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: you know there's something else here. Based on the people 458 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: around him and his own actions, it looks like he 459 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: just thought this was cool stuff to share and it 460 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: got out there. And I haven't looked at and I 461 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: haven't been able to see Clay what exactly was in 462 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. But there are some things the government should 463 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: keep secret. Actually, I know this sounds like, Oh, I 464 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: was in the CIA, and there are some things that 465 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: if you just put it out there, people are gonna die. Yeah, 466 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: you're not helping anybody. You're not helping transparency. 467 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: The motive is to me fairly significant in many ways here. 468 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: I also wonder whether his lawyers are ultimately going to 469 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: decide what is his best defense, because if you are 470 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: some person who believes that the government the Edward Snowden angle, 471 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: and as you mentioned the Hansen scenario, if I remember correctly, 472 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: that was a guy who was giving away spies to 473 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: fit essentially be executrect. So his motivation was he murdered 474 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: for hire, except he was, you know, he wasn't. He 475 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: was just getting money from the Russians. Can you remember 476 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: a classified document scandal where the motivation was I'm just 477 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: trying to impress my buddies. No, that doesn't mean that 478 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: it hasn't happened, but. 479 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: Has it has I will say it has happened, but 480 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: it has usually happened at a at a very low level. 481 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: And actually at point you know, there was a guy 482 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,239 Speaker 1: who he was actually pardoned, I believe by Trump, who 483 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: took a photo on a submarine deleted it from his 484 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: phone immediately, but he just thought like, oh, this is cool, 485 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: like I might want to show this to somebody and realize, 486 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: oh wait, I shouldn't be taking this photo. And I 487 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: think they sent him for eighteen months something like that. 488 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: There have been people who just like to run their 489 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: mouth about classified stuff and share things they shouldn't have 490 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: told journalists things. Usually when they tell a journalist to 491 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: classified stuff, it's not because they want to be some whistle. 492 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: It's because they want to feel important. It's because the 493 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 1: New York Times, who, by the way, some of these 494 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: big journalistic enterprises totally burden their sources on this stuff. 495 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: People end up going to prison for talking to them. 496 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: So it's a horrible idea to do. And there's a 497 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: balance here. It's not as straightforward as everything. There are 498 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: some things I will repeat, there are some things that 499 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: if a government is going to fight wars, and if 500 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: a government is going to have intelligence agencies, it needs 501 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: to keep secret. That's not to say they aren't using 502 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: that as an excuse to cover up a lot of 503 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: bad activity. They aren't overclassifying. I know all this stuff 504 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: in detail, but to just like throw stuff out there 505 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: about the Ukraine, I mean, according to the New York Times, Clay, 506 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: there's something about collection. This is, according to the New 507 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: York Times reporting on it, collection about Russian intelligence services 508 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: that we have. That's you don't that shouldn't be out there. 509 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: There's no base. That's not helping the American people. That's 510 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: just making it harder for us to know what the 511 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: Russians are doing. 512 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: To me, it seems like he was just trying to 513 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: impress his buddies. Again based on my knowledge of discord 514 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: and also the fact that it took months to even 515 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: realize that this was out there. So he posted it 516 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: I think initially in December of twenty twenty two or 517 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 2: something like that, if I believe, and then it took 518 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: months for it to finally circulate around for somebody to 519 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: say Hey, look at this. The one thing I'm nervous about, 520 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: Buck is the Biden administration is one hundred percent going 521 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: to use this as a reason to spy on even. 522 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: Well, we can come back to they're already talking to this. 523 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: But I would just say for anybody, I know some 524 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: people people have had clearances, and there's a lot of 525 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: you who are listening. Now you know what I'm talking about. Okay, 526 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean by some things. Otherwise it's 527 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: in here and say, okay, so if somebody finds out, 528 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: like in the Pentagon, what our response plan is in 529 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: detail to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, can they just 530 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, throw that up on Facebook because they're a whistleblower. Man, 531 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: they're a whistleblower really, because we're gonna have our guys 532 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: flying in you know F eighteen's and F twenty two's 533 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: and whatever, trying to deal with this. You want the 534 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: Chinese to know. I mean, this is no things need 535 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: to be secret. Everybody. I think people have got on 536 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: the right have gotten a little too like oh, it's 537 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: like all right, we need to be very clear about 538 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: what we're talking about here, what was released and for 539 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: what purpose? 540 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: If he had gone to the New York Times in 541 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: the Washington Post to want to release these documents. To 542 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: your point, they might have given him up, but it 543 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: would certainly aid in a bet the argument that he's 544 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: a hero. I also question, because it challenges some of 545 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: the conventional narrative associated with what's going on with Ukraine 546 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: and Russia, whether the New York Times and the Washington 547 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: Post would have even been willing to publish it, I. 548 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: Mean back in the day, so that would be a 549 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: fascinating and I agree with you, I'm not sure. I 550 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: think they might have when it hurt. It all depends, 551 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: As you know, folks, Leaks that hurt the American administration 552 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: when it's a Republican are always by the big media 553 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: companies like New York Times Washington Posts always to be celebrated. 554 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: Leaks that would hurt the Obama administration, the Biden administration, 555 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: those are national surity run, those are national security threats. 556 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: We can't do that. We're Americans. First, they would say, well, 557 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: it actually wouldn't say that, but you know, they would 558 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: say they wouldn't run it. 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We've got a 585 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: lot to talk about coming up here the next hour. 586 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: I just want to let you know our friend Carol 587 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Markowitz of the New York Post. We'll discuss a bunch 588 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: things with her, including you know, I was I was 589 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: just trying to have my coffee this. 590 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 6: Morning with Carrie, you know, newlyweds and all that. We're 591 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 6: just hanging out, having a nice quiet moment, and sure 592 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 6: enough on the TV. On the TV, it pops up 593 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 6: that there is this ad with an actor who is 594 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 6: eating putting with his fingers. 595 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: Very so you saw that on my yeah, this morning? 596 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean because I and I saw the ad. I 597 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: was thinking, wait a second, like what, and then I 598 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: realized this is a Make America Great inc. Ad with 599 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: Rohn DeSantis apparently eats putting with his fingers, and this 600 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: is the this is the thing they're going with. I 601 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I was sort of like, is this really oh? 602 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: And he's eating the pudding like he's going to eat 603 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: your social Security or something, is what they were saying. 604 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: So we can talk to Carol about that, because I 605 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: was legitimately sitting there just a little bit like what 606 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: what is this? What is going on here? It's such 607 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: a strange I don't know. 608 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they're already going after DeSantis pretty hard. I mean, 609 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: we've got Fox News on in the studio and probably 610 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: a lot of people out there watching uh Fox News 611 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: and listening to us have seen these ads. Again, it 612 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 2: kind of goes with the conversation we have with Patrick 613 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: bet David yesterday. DeSantis is going to announce in like 614 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: a month, but Trump has been hitting him pretty hard 615 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: for the last several months, and so the question is 616 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: going to be what, assuming that DeSantis runs, what is 617 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: that DeSantis launch going to look like? And how quickly 618 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: is he going to engage in the fray because remember 619 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: the first debate is August on Fox News in Milwaukee. Fuck, 620 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: that's gonna be here really soon when you think about 621 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: how rapid that is going to arrive. And we'll see 622 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: whether Tim Scott jumps in the race. But so far, 623 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say Nicky Hayley that that 624 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: whole universe, nobody has really made any aggressive move where 625 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: you look to him and say, Okay, Trump has got 626 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: a contender. 627 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: Here, Why why doesn't Why don't any of these other 628 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: candidate Obviously Trump is number one in the polls, None 629 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: of them are, none of them are even vaguely criticizing 630 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That's a very interesting strategy if you're going 631 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: to try to win a primary, to not actually criticize 632 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: the guy who's in front. I'm just I'm just noting. 633 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean, for Trump, it's obviously great, But for Vivek 634 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: and for Nikki Haley, I mean, are they all just 635 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: running to be in the Trump cabinet? Because that's what 636 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: it feels like. It feels like they're all running to 637 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: be in the Trump cabinet, which kind of makes me think, 638 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: like why run at all? Right, like, just let Trump 639 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: be the nominee. But I guess the attention and everything else, 640 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: I think. 641 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: I mean, look, you could make a case that Trump 642 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 2: has got the entire campaign seated, that he wants these 643 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: guys to run because he wants. 644 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: It's a two man fight. But these other people, it's 645 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: like there's two people squaring off in a bar fight, 646 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: and then these other people in the background who are like, yeah, 647 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: like throwing a chair, you know, just. 648 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: Like the Royal Rumble where every now and then somebody 649 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 2: just gangs up on somebody else. Because I haven't tell 650 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, you guys can call in eight 651 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 2: hundred and two eight two two eight a two because 652 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: I think Buck's analysis here is pretty clear. DeSantis is 653 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: clearly in second place right every poll that you look at, 654 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: yet he's getting attacked way more as the number two guy. 655 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: The other candidates only attacked Dissenta. Yes, okay, that is 656 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: what is happening. We all see it. We all understand 657 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: what's going on, which I understand. You know, they're allowed to, 658 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: but I'm also allowed to note so you're not really 659 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: running for president. Just just you know, Vivek and Nicky 660 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: and and whoever else is you know, throwing their their 661 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: hat in the ring. They're not really running for president. 662 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: So it's now we could say this about other people 663 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: who have you know, there have been tons of people 664 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: in the pat what was it Mary and Williamson on 665 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: the demo She's running again, by the way, she's running again. 666 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Look r F. Kennedy RFK Junior is running. Some people 667 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: do it for attention, but generally, you know, somebody of 668 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: the name recognition that we're seeing with, say like a 669 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley, you would expect there to be an actual 670 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: effort to get ahead of her competitors, but not Trump. 671 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: Not Trump, you would. 672 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: Be attacking the person who is the leader if you 673 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: really want to be president. 674 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: And that's who's supposed to get all the heat, not 675 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: the number two guy who's not even announced yet. Right. 676 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: Just look, I'm just observing objective reality here. I think 677 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting situation that's playing. 678 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: Well, That's what we said also for Trump, if you 679 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: analyze this, the more people who run, the more likely 680 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 2: it is he's going to get the nomination. So so far, 681 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: Nicki Haley, Asa Hutchinson, I mean, come on, some of 682 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 2: these guys are just laughing. 683 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: Well, he just wants attention, clearly, But some of the 684 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: others you thought maybe would want to see if they 685 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: could get some numbers. Yeah, and so far it hasn't happened. 686 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: Maybe that will change somewhat when it actually gets to 687 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: August and we have that legitimate debate. How many people 688 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: are gonna watch that debate. By the way, I mean 689 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 2: that's everyone. 690 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: Everyone. We must see TV. There's also must listen to radio, 691 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: which is this show, and also AM radio in general. 692 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: There's a threat to am radio out there right now. 693 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: It's political, it's technology. Technology, we want to talk about it. 694 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: We come back and stay with us.