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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon.

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Speaker 2: This week's guest.

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Speaker 1: We've had him on back in twenty twenty one. My

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Speaker 1: uncle Bill Harmon, one of the best teachers on the planet,

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Speaker 1: my dad's fourth brother, so the youngest of the Harmon brothers.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why I wanted to get him on

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Speaker 1: is at age seventy three, he went back on the

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Speaker 1: bag for Bill Hass last week in the MX caddying

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Speaker 1: on the PGA tour. Caddied for Jay Haas for so

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Speaker 1: long and as much as being a player and was

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Speaker 1: part of Billy's DNA, as much as being an instructor.

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Speaker 1: As part of his DNA, what is the biggest part

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Speaker 1: of his DNA is.

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Speaker 2: Being a caddie.

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was fascinating to talk to him

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Speaker 1: about that experience with Bill last week and to kind

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Speaker 1: of get his views. He's an old school guy, speaks

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Speaker 1: from the hearts from the hip and it's a good one.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to Billy, our friends at Cobra

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Speaker 1: Golf have a new driver out. It's the Dark Speed

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Speaker 1: three models this year tailored for different types of players.

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Speaker 1: The LS model that's low launched, low spin, So that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the one that if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get that spin down, if you're hitting down on that

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Speaker 1: golf ball it's spinning too much, the LS will be

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Speaker 1: the one for you. They've got an eight degree LS

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Speaker 1: model eight degree launch are Loft, which they kind of

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Speaker 1: think of as their kind of race car. It's their

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Speaker 1: fastest one. So if you're looking for speed, if you're

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Speaker 1: looking for distance, that eight degree in the LS take

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Speaker 1: a look. Then you've got the X, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of combo of both worlds. It's got low spin, it's

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Speaker 1: got super fast ball speed with a lot of stability.

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Speaker 1: It's got a new forward weight which is going to

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Speaker 1: help people kind of maximize where that spin is and

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Speaker 1: maximize the spin they're getting off the driver. And then

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Speaker 1: you've got the MAX which is the most forgiving of

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Speaker 1: the three highest MOI, and that's going to be the

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Speaker 1: one that if listen, if you're not hitting it in

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Speaker 1: the center of the face all the time, that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the one that you're going to want to get.

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Speaker 1: Cobra Golf their drivers. I like them, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I like the way they look I like the way

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Speaker 1: they feel, and I like the way they perform. If

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a new driver in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: give the Cobra Dark Speed a good look. And now

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get to a really, really fun

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Speaker 1: and informative interview with my uncle Bill Harmon. My guess

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Speaker 1: is my uncle Bill Harmon Philly. We had you on

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Speaker 1: the pod in the first year in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's so many stories going on in

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Speaker 1: professional golf right now, and it seems to be all

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Speaker 1: about money and fighting, and I think your.

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Speaker 3: Story about you know you going back at how old

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 2: What do you?

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Speaker 4: What do you?

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Speaker 2: How old?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Seventy three, seventy three?

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Speaker 1: You caddied last week on the PJ Tour for Bill

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Speaker 1: Hoss at seventy three years old. It's me it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's nobody out there caddy and that's your age.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's some old guys out there, but there's

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Speaker 4: I think Hiller Coffy has me, uh Fluff might be

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Speaker 4: might little older than I think I am, but there

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Speaker 3: How did it come about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the history, we've talked about it before,

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Speaker 1: but when did you start caddying for Jay Hoff?

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Speaker 4: You know, I started with Jay in nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: I've worked for.

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Speaker 4: My brother Craig at Oakhill in the seventy seventh season,

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Speaker 4: and I got just totally soured on the country club business.

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Speaker 4: My dad told me that I had a thirty mile

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Speaker 4: So I actually left Craig early. I couldn't finished the

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Speaker 4: and Lex called me up and said Jay just won

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Speaker 4: the San Diego Open. Looking for a caddy he's exempt.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever heard this whole story,

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Speaker 4: Orlando in two weeks at Rio Pinar's where they played

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Speaker 4: with my luggage and I had forty dollars to my name,

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Speaker 4: and it was a twenty dollars cab fair. And I

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Speaker 4: somebody that I knew, and they asked me what I

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Speaker 4: was doing there, and I said I'm Caddy and they

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Speaker 4: said for who Jay Haas, And they said, well, we

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Speaker 4: just found out that he failed to commit. So now

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Speaker 4: I got twenty dollars to my name, I got no job,

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Speaker 4: got my shoecase with me. At this time, I'm overtaking

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Speaker 4: your father as the biggest jerk in the family. It

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Speaker 4: was I going into this thing, which in the.

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Speaker 3: Old days, you know, I mean, obviously we.

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Speaker 1: All complished that even with him, and obviously we all

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Speaker 1: know who my dad is now and who he's become.

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Speaker 1: But if you think about the four brothers, you know,

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Speaker 1: my dad, Craig, Dick who sadly passed away and left

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Speaker 1: us too early, and yourself, you and my dad were

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Speaker 1: the black sheep, and Craig and Dicky were the straight arrows.

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Speaker 2: And you wouldn't think.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: you see who my dad, who Butch Harmon has become now,

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Speaker 1: they don't realize what a what a He was a

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Speaker 1: lost soul and.

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Speaker 3: A rebel, sure, you know, and you know didn't have

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Speaker 1: So it's no surprise that in the seventies that you

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Speaker 1: and Buchie were well fighting for low Man on the

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Speaker 4: They had a Monday qualifying, so I was looking to

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Speaker 4: see if I just knew anybody because I had to

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Speaker 4: get one hundred dollars from somebody. I mean, I couldn't live,

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Speaker 4: I have no job, I don't have a place to stay.

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Speaker 4: I got a suitcase. So Terry Deal was from Rochester

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Speaker 4: every Deals, Yep. I'd played junior golf with them. I

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Speaker 4: went out on the course and lo and behold, Lynn

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Speaker 4: Strickler was caddying form. I'm not really ashamed of this story,

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Speaker 4: but the truth is that I did have a good

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Speaker 4: So I finally talked to Terry, tell him I'm shooting bad.

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Speaker 4: Lynn thinks on the greatest guy in the world, and

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Speaker 4: I still love him to this day. And Terry says,

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Speaker 4: New York. I'll fly you up there. I'll give you

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Speaker 4: heck of I feel like a millionaire. So I fly

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Speaker 4: up to Rochester and I tell Craig my story. Of course, this,

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Speaker 4: you know, goes through the family. Another Billy story, not

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Speaker 4: a Butch story, this time of Billy story. And when

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Speaker 4: So in the meantime Craig had called Dad to say

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Speaker 4: up here going to drive Terry Dial's car. My dad

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Speaker 4: says to Craig, will give him one thousand dollars. I

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Speaker 4: don't want him walking around with nothing, and I'll write you, okay,

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Speaker 4: which my dad is a very genderous man. So now

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Speaker 4: I got fifteen hundred. I'm liking this tour well, fifteen

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Speaker 4: So now I pick up Terry's car and I'm driving

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Speaker 4: and I swear to God, about an hour outside of Manhattan,

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Speaker 4: Do not take a left. Do not take a left,

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Speaker 4: remember I spent six hundred, so that wasn't too bad.

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Speaker 4: So I still had nine hundred and twenty. But now

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Speaker 4: I have to drive straight through. I'm tired, I'm beat up,

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Speaker 4: and I'm so disgusted with myself. Why did I make

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Speaker 4: two college kids. A little cardboard sign says Fort Lauderdale.

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Speaker 4: I pull over and I said, you're my guys. I said,

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Speaker 4: there's only one stipulation. I'm paying for everything, but I

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Speaker 4: we're going straight through to Fort Lauderdale. And that's how

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Speaker 4: my caddy life started. In the very first tournament ch

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Speaker 4: basically my first week on tour, other than, of course,

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Speaker 4: you know, catching clubs like Javelin's coming at me, heading

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Speaker 4: for your dad in the sixty nine Canadian Open. But

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Speaker 4: that's how it started.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you look at what the

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Speaker 1: PGA tour has become today with all this talk about

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Speaker 1: live and the money and all of this stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is still just it is an amazing organization.

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Speaker 2: It's an amazing product.

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Speaker 1: You know when you look at caddying in the seventies

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Speaker 1: event where there's courtesy cars and free laundry and there's

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 4: Bones and everything.

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Speaker 1: Bones mackay has made so much money caddy and he

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Speaker 1: could probably fly private.

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Speaker 2: Oh I thank you, probably could. The caddying has become.

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Speaker 4: But I think, h when we were when I started,

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Speaker 4: I think the first three tournaments at j one that

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Speaker 4: I caddied for in first place was forty thousand. But

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Speaker 4: forty thousand was a lot back then, and so if

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Speaker 4: first bridge is forty, that's what first prize is. And

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Speaker 4: so and I look back on those days. None of

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Speaker 4: us had any money. The caddies, we took great care

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Speaker 4: of each other. If someone needed a hundred to get

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Speaker 4: out of town, you gave it to them. Many weeks

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Speaker 4: we slept three or four in the room, and there

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Speaker 4: was a camaraderie there that happens when people are poor.

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Speaker 4: I mean that, and you bond together in different ways

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Speaker 1: Your relationship with Jay Hoss has been you know, he's

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Speaker 4: That's a factual statement. So the same guy that showed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're cautying for someone that you watched.

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Speaker 4: that good young players are bringing good young players out

436
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: to caddy form and then once they at the drift

437
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 4: of all the ins and outs. But you have so

438
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: much information today, which is good, and so I think

439
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 4: the obviously, I think the quality of caddy and has

440
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: probably improved, just as the teaching is improved and stuff

441
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 4: because of information. But you were lucky and your dad

442
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 4: and I were lucky. You see, we learned to teach

443
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: before we had this information. So you and I and

444
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 4: your dad have the benefit of using our eyes before

445
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: we had all this stuff, which makes you doubly good.

446
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 4: And so I think the caddies today it's a more

447
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 4: of a profession to us, to be honest with It

448
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: was a big party, it really was. And there wasn't

449
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: that much money. We were, you know, every town was.

450
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: We were in the circus.

451
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: You know.

452
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: I think it was more fun then, but for the

453
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 4: living they make now, and uh, you can see it,

454
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: you can see it. We played with Chess and Hadley

455
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 4: and Is caddy Barry bw they called them. He's great caddy,

456
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 4: very professional, really good. I watched to him, I watched

457
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: him interact. I like watching that interaction. As you know,

458
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: all the years you've been out there, Brooks has had

459
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 4: a great caddy for a long time.

460
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: Ricky Elliott one of the best, you know.

461
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 4: And I think what people don't realize about caddying is

462
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: there's a rhythm to it, and every player has a

463
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: different rhythm. And every when I caddied for Curtis Strange,

464
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: he would uh no, stone would be unturned on a

465
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 4: selection between an eight and a nine iron. You know

466
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 4: it'd be a discussion like Warren Peace or something. But

467
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: if the next week I caddied for Lanny, I you know,

468
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 4: I'd get the ordage. I'd say, all right, we got

469
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 4: one seventy to the front. That's one eighty six to

470
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 4: cover the left bunker. It's what do you like? Wait

471
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: a minute, I haven't even gave me the final you know,

472
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean tell you where the pin is?

473
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: Well do you like?

474
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: And so you have to get into a rhythm. And

475
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: if you don't caddy for a guy like with Bill.

476
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 4: You know, I caddied format the President's Cup in Australia

477
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 4: when he won the fed Ex Cups. I don't know

478
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 4: what's that fifteen years ago or whatever it was. I

479
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: don't even know how long ago. So you're always a

480
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: little bit uncomfortable because you don't know when to step

481
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: in and say something. So when I caddy for Jay,

482
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: I knew when to say something. I knew when to

483
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: shut up. I caddy enough for Curtis to always shut

484
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 4: up Lannie. I tell the story that we were in

485
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 4: South Africa. I think it was maybe the first sun

486
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 4: City event that they advertised a million dollars winner take all.

487
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: I think everybody got a hundred. We played in the

488
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: Skin Game in Durban, I believe the weekend before with Payne, Stewart,

489
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: Curtis and Bernhard Langer, and Lanny won about two hund

490
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand there. So I was already up, and

491
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 4: he's he's tied for the lead after two rounds with Longer. Now,

492
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: Lanny's the fastest fire in the world, and Longer is

493
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: the slowest fire, you know. And it's you've been down there.

494
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: It's one hundred and ninety degree it is. It takes

495
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: his skin off your ears. And the second hole was

496
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: a par five and Langer drove it in the junk.

497
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: It's one of my great stories of all time. And

498
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 4: Lanny hit a beautiful drive and that long narrow green

499
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: with these necks in it, and the pin was way

500
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 4: in the back right, two eighty six to the flag,

501
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 4: but it's elevated a mile, so it's you know, two whatever,

502
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: two fifty or something. And he said, really like Billy

503
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: Bow and I saw I at three wood left. We'll

504
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: have a nice angle to pitch to it, you know. No,

505
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: he says, I can peel a driver off that bunker

506
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: and you get it close. He says, you know, it's

507
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: such a lanny comment, but he means it though it's

508
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: not bs for him. So I'm like, what does guy

509
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: just say he's going to hit a driver for a

510
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: million dollars? You know, he's going to get a deck.

511
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: And he hit the best shot I've ever seen in

512
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: my life. Maybe he started exactly where he said he

513
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: was going to hit it. It started cutting. The green's

514
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 4: like sixty yards deep. It lands about ten yards into

515
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: the green, and it starts rolling at the hole like

516
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 4: a putt, and it's getting closer and closer. Next thing

517
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: you know, the people go nuts. He lips it out

518
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 4: two feet by the linger has chipped out. He hits

519
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: like afore iron on the green about forty feet and

520
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: he makes it for Bertie. So Landy gets in there

521
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: with this kind of interesting setup. You know, he's probably

522
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 4: gonna get upset. I'm gonna tell the story. But the

523
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: day before we were on the putt and green, he

524
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 4: asked me to hold their umbrella over him. It was

525
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: so hot, and I'm holding this umbrella in South Africa saying, boy,

526
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: I've really come a long ways in my life. And

527
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: he said, how's my setup, Billy boy? And if you

528
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: ever remembered, every one of his angles was different, I said,

529
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: what ho you button?

530
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: What ho?

531
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: You man?

532
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: He started doing all this on page Yeah, I'm in

533
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: a lot of tournaments that, I said. I know, I know,

534
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: it's just joking, you know. So he gets in there

535
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: and he misses it, no way, and he reaches over

536
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 4: the backhanded.

537
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: He misses that.

538
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: He makes five. Langer makes three.

539
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 4: You've been over that course, haven't you? No TV though, anyway,

540
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: the third hole is very tight, and he would hit

541
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: a four wood and if it's one of those holes,

542
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: if you drove it out of play, you make triple.

543
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: So of course his driver head cover was made out

544
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 4: of mink. You know what I'm talking about. I put

545
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: the pin in and the first thing I see is

546
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: the mink head cover on by the bag. He's not

547
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: going the layup, you know. So now I don't really

548
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: caddy for him. You know, I've caddy for him a

549
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: few times. But am I in a position to give

550
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: him a speech?

551
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: You know? Right?

552
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: So I said, I'm thinking, as I'm walking to the tee,

553
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 4: you know, maybe he's just hot. Now I can hand

554
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: him this wee wood or do something. Well. He's standing

555
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: on the other side of the tee, which means I

556
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: don't want to talk to anyone so much for this

557
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: this story. So he had these slacks made, you know,

558
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: tailored slacks, I think from a company in Cincinnati called Hamilton.

559
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: We've got this kind of memory. And he had a

560
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: pocket where he kept a ball. He had a ball

561
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: pocket and a coin. The ball fit in there perfectly.

562
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: Tell me this is this is such a Lanny Watkins story.

563
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: So I love Lannie, by the way, He's great. And

564
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: so I'm watching them over there. He's not looking at me,

565
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: you know, he's not looking at me, like, please talk

566
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: me out of this bad decision.

567
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: Bill.

568
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: You know.

569
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: So Langer, after taking twenty seven minutes to hit his layoup,

570
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: Lannie walks on the tee and he pops the ball

571
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: out of this pocket like a pimple, and the ball

572
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: starts rolling towards the tea mark. It's rolling and he's

573
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: walking after it. And where it stops is where he

574
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: hits it from with the driver off the deck, off

575
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: the deck, doesn't tee it up nothing, and hits the

576
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: exact same shot he hit on the second hole. The

577
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: brittish shot you ever saw.

578
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: On your light.

579
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: So now I'm thinking, you know, we got thirty four

580
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: holes shot back. You know, I'm going to be Bob

581
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: Rotello before Bob Rotello, you know. So I come up

582
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: with this brilliant speech. I said, I come on, Landing,

583
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: you know we're really playing good. You know all the

584
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: bs that you'd say rolling one back got thirty four holes.

585
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: Just got to be patient. He looks at me, said Bill,

586
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to clean it up. But he says, hey,

587
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: it's the podcast.

588
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: You can say that.

589
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: The billy boy patience is for fucking losers. Don't ever

590
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: tell me to be patient. I want it fucking right now.

591
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 4: So I said, Okay, in the last ten minutes, I've gone,

592
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: oh for everything, everything that I'm thinking and as good

593
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: is wrong. Everything that I've said to him is basically,

594
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: get as far away from as as you can here, chuck.

595
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: And so.

596
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: That was my best Landy's story, And I loved him.

597
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: He was great to work for, uh me, he was

598
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: great to work for it really, and his bottom was

599
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: truly real, really truly real, and he could hit the

600
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 4: shot that he was talking about. He could always back

601
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: it up, and he been a good putter. I'd say

602
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: he was an average putter for a great place. And

603
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: I think it's hard to be a great player without

604
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: being a really good putter anyway, wouldn't you say that?

605
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think.

606
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: You know, there may be bej but on the whole,

607
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: if you're an average DJ would be able to get

608
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: it that good, you know. So I thought if he,

609
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: if he ever was a good putter man, he would

610
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: have won double the tournaments he wanted to think because

611
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: he was actuate.

612
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: So you talk about the rhythm and about you know,

613
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: if you don't caddy for someone all the time understanding them.

614
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: So the obvious question, seats is what do you think

615
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: makes a great caddy?

616
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: Questions? A very easy answer, A great good player.

617
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say that.

618
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: Well, I say this and some of my true caddy

619
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: friends don't like it because every now and then I'll

620
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: put it on Facebook, er shop. This is how I feel. Well,

621
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: you've been out there, so you can dispute it. You

622
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: know more about this stuff than I do.

623
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, I learned from I learned from my dad.

624
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: But but you told me early on find good players, right.

625
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: Okay, bad player, good caddy, bad player, Okay, good player,

626
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: bad caddy. Good player, good caddy, good player, slightly better player,

627
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: That's what I would say. But if you and play,

628
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: don't make a difference how good you can put.

629
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: So I look at I look at the relationship that

630
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to watch up close, you know,

631
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: both from Brooks and Ricky Elliott, but also from DJ

632
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: and his brother one right, AJ, Right, I mean absolutely,

633
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: I think they I think both of those two, Ricky

634
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: and and and Austin.

635
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 3: I think they're both world class caddies. I think they

636
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: do a great job.

637
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: I think they have a great understanding of the player. Obviously,

638
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: the AJ has a great understanding of his brother.

639
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: I think Brooks and Ricky Elliott at this point might

640
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: as well be brothers.

641
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean, they're as close as you can get.

642
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: Let me, let me speak.

643
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: I only I've never met Ricky. I've met Brooks. He

644
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: couldn't pick me up, pick me out of a lineup.

645
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: So I don't really know either one of them at all.

646
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: Five Majors. But okay, so I figured out one time

647
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: that caddies asked at least a thousand questions of tournament,

648
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: and you can't say I'll get back to you in

649
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: five minutes on that. So you have to have an

650
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: answer right like this all the time. So think of

651
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: the back nines on Sundays that Ricky has caddied for

652
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 4: Brooks and the great decisions as he's had to make

653
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: that Brooks has trusted him with and he has to

654
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: make them like that. And so you know, if you're

655
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: playing the seventeenth told Augusta on Sunday and the pins

656
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: in the back right and you're tied for the lead, sure,

657
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: let's go for it. Let's get it back there. But

658
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: if you go six inches too farts on the eighteenth

659
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: t and you make six with a good shot, by

660
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 4: the way, So as a caddy, what do you do there?

661
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: I think you have to protect going long and hope

662
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: the pre eighteen getting a playoff. But that decision has

663
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: to be made just like that. Their intense scrutiny, an

664
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: intense pressure. So at that point he's reading Brooks, he's

665
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: reading the yards. Maybe they have a perfect yardage, and

666
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: that happens a lot when players win, and you know that, yeah,

667
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: you get the looks, you bet and last week and

668
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: Bob Hope, I call it the MX bill and I

669
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: had in between the yardages fifty times I say, you know,

670
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: to the wrong pin placement, So you know, Claude, a

671
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: lot of the players the ball doesn't curve as much now,

672
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: but they don't really like hitting easy shots into left pins,

673
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: not for the most part, because they'll.

674
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: Be in the hanging out for the right.

675
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting statement. They don't.

676
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: They don't, and they might not like hitting hard shots

677
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 4: into right pin placements. So these are looks and these

678
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: Ricky has to know all of these tendencies with Brooks,

679
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 4: and then he has to know him on the back

680
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: nine on Sunday because that might be different. And so

681
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: what Ricky's done with Brooks is brilliant. What Stevie did

682
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: with Tiger brilliant, okay, And so you have to know

683
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: so much about it, and you have this much time

684
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: to process this information.

685
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: And you're expected if they're asking you, if the player

686
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: is asking you, he's expecting you to be right.

687
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: I don't think any of the golfing public has any

688
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 4: idea how hard it is to caddy in the sense

689
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: that you could ask you could answer nine and ninety

690
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: nine of those questions correct and then give the wrong

691
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 4: club on eighteen. There's no other profession in the world

692
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: that you get a ninety nine point nine and maybe

693
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: get fired, maybe get fired, so that the caddies are

694
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: under intense pressure. That's why I loved watching Barry and

695
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: Chess and Hadley work because I know what it means.

696
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 4: But I will tell you when I started caddying, there

697
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: were a bunch of old caddies out there. Hall and

698
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: laid the lynch in these guys, they almost hated each other.

699
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: They because they didn't have all the information you had

700
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: to get your notes yourself. And I remember sitting in

701
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: a bar, I think we're in Orlando, and a guy

702
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: named Roy, older caddy. Roy was caddying for Andy Bean.

703
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm not going to mention the caddy that I was

704
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: sitting with because I don't like to knock them off

705
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 4: their pedestal a little bit because he was a great

706
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 4: caddy and he caddy for major winters and stuff. But

707
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: Andy Bean hit this ball over the green. Now I'm

708
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: just sitting there watching it on TV. This guy went

709
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: nuts with happiness that Roy gave him the wrong club,

710
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: and I realized that they were actually competing like the

711
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: old players were competing. So they didn't really love each

712
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: other back then. I said to David Graham one time,

713
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: I said, why do you think you guys were so tough?

714
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: He said, we weren't tough.

715
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: We were broke.

716
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: So those caddies were always broke. So they were actually

717
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: happy if Big Griff pulled the wrong club because that

718
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: many couldn't caddy. See I've got no guts, she couldn't caddy. Well,

719
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 4: it's not easy to pull the right Colory time.

720
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: We're talking, we've talked about the you know how caddying

721
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: is different today versus now.

722
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: I mean you've seen I don't think there's probably.

723
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: In the last forty years of guessing up close, there

724
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: isn't a great player.

725
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: That you haven't seen in the heat of the battle.

726
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: Not many.

727
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, OK, And I'm talking because you've caddied in President's Cups,

728
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: within the Tiger generation, caddy when Tiger was playing. So

729
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: what is a common denominator, Billy, of all of the

730
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: great players that you've been lucky enough to see, all

731
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: the great champions are is there something that they all have?

732
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: I would say a great portion of them had the

733
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: ability to take the information in that their caddy was

734
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 4: given them and then stand on their own two feet

735
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 4: and make that decision. I've spoken to Fluff, Stevie and Joelicabo.

736
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 4: All three of them told me that Tiger was very

737
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 4: easy to caddy for never blamed them one time for

738
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: bad club. So Tiger created an environment where it was

739
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: okay to fail, so you can't. I always thought players

740
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: that intimidated the caddy was they were hurting themselves because

741
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: now the caddy is always going to make a conservative call,

742
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: so he didn't get his asked to that. Joe and

743
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: Stevie and Fluff all told me that, you know, and

744
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 4: Jay has is that way. You know, they want to

745
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 4: stand on their own two feet. Now, there are some

746
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 4: that liked to be coddled, as you know, but I

747
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: always felt they're really great ones. Trow Frank Beard told

748
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: me something. And you're out there, you're out there and

749
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: you see these great young players. He told me one time.

750
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 4: This is before you had all the information, that he

751
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: never met a great player that didn't trust his intuition.

752
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: That's Delani trusted his intuition when he said, no, if

753
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: I peel a driver off that bunker, I can get

754
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: it close. See what I actually told him was the

755
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: smart play, but he could feel he could smell this shot.

756
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: You get visualize it, you could smell it, you know,

757
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: And he just he looked at me like, come, Matine,

758
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 4: I got this close and he did it. You know.

759
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, golf is a solo sport.

760
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a big rickey fowler fan. I don't

761
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: like this wee stuff in interviews.

762
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: I just don't.

763
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I just I'll tell you what

764
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: my you know what Peve is. I'll tell you what

765
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 4: my pet Peeve is. And I saw it this week

766
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: and it drives me nuts. It's these putting stations that

767
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: they all put up, how much of a grinder they

768
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: take up, which kind of means I'm not allowed to

769
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: putt it that hole even though I'm trying to warm

770
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: up before the round. That's your hole. Now. Can you

771
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: imagine what would have happened in the olden days, guys

772
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: who would have been sculling chip shots into these players' heads,

773
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: they would have been cutting to these holes on purpose

774
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: and making a scene and getting right up in their

775
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 4: grill and say, listen, Pali, you don't own this goddamn

776
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: hole for all of us. But I think it's very selfish,

777
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 4: I really do. I think it's very poor etiquette. It's

778
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: not a practice around. It's fifteen minutes before the tournament,

779
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: and you're looking for a hold of plot too, and

780
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: you can't find it. And they got these elaborate things,

781
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: and they got the levelers, and then you get the

782
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: caddy and the player doing aim point from two and

783
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: a half feet and they're backing up by you know,

784
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: they're doing the Macarene or something. You know. I mean,

785
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: it drove me up a wall, I'll tell you that

786
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: right now. Boy, And I wish there was an old

787
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: timer out there that were just start chipping balls into

788
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: these people. Just bore one right into the guy's stomach. Oh,

789
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was your hole. I

790
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: didn't see your name on that hole, you know. So

791
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 4: I think it's really poor etiquette. It's selfish and self centered.

792
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: That's my rant for the day.

793
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: We'll go to something. We'll go to something positive.

794
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: Billy, what's the best shot you've ever seen in competition

795
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: from a player you weren't caddying?

796
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 4: Oh?

797
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: Boy, that.

798
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: Probably two and it was because nobody else could do it.

799
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 4: And you've seen that, you've seen it with Jay Tiger. Yeah,

800
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: the first one was at Augusta. In the second hold,

801
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 4: Jay was paired with the Sevy. What year, oh boy

802
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: was in the I want to say early eighties, okay,

803
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: And he drove it kind of down left center, but

804
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 4: he drove it on the down sofa one of those moguls,

805
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: and the pin was over it in the back blocked,

806
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: so he got nothing. Hitting a three iron, you know,

807
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 4: if you can put it in the middle of greenish,

808
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: great shot, Yeah.

809
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: Because back then they don't.

810
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean when in the eighties you were, you would

811
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: go into some of those holes with longer cloths.

812
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's hitting a three iron now, and so

813
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 4: i'm i'm you know, I'm imagining what he's trying to do.

814
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: I think he's going to try to hit something low

815
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 4: and maybe run it up in between the bunkers and

816
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 4: either bunker's going to be fine, either bunkers. And he

817
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 4: hits his shot and as you know, there's some huge

818
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 4: trees up there to the left. He hits it over

819
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: the trees or a cut three hundred feet in the

820
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: air and he stops at like ten feet from the hole. Now,

821
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: you couldn't get an l wedge. They didn't have L

822
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: wedges back then. If you were on the if you

823
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: were hitting an L wedge from the left side of

824
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: the fairway from eighty yards, you couldn't have got at

825
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: that post. So he not only did you have to

826
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: have the talent, you had to have the imagination, but

827
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 4: there was another factor. You had to have the guts

828
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: to try it to Chops. The other one was it

829
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: was right before they had the open, maybe a year

830
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: or two before they open the Tory Pines, and they

831
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 4: lengthened the course. So Jay's playing with Tiger the last round.

832
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: You know, Jay's like forty nine years old, looks like

833
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 4: he's got the head cover on his driver when he

834
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: hits it. Compared to Tiger, what year is this, I'm

835
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 4: going to say, oh four maybe, okay, oh four yep.

836
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna say it was maybe a year or

837
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: two before they they just lengthened it.

838
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

839
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 4: It was unbelievably a cloudy, cold day at Torry Pott

840
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: and Jay birdied eight nine and ten and that put

841
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: Tiger in Jade about tide for fit. But they were tied.

842
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of cool as even hanging with

843
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: the guy, and it was I remember, like it was

844
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: just there was two hundred and thirty seven downhill and

845
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: the wind's coming in left or right. I mean, it's

846
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: just everybody's nightmare. Elevated tea into the wind with a slice.

847
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: And at the time Jay had a five wood and

848
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 4: like a three iron, but it was like a two

849
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: and a half iron. We are trying to figure out

850
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: every way imaginable can we get a three iron on

851
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 4: the front of the green and just try to make

852
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: a par because we don't want to hit the five

853
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 4: wood up in the air because you can just see

854
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 4: this thing floating over to the thirty creek or something,

855
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 4: some big toe pop up over there or something. There's

856
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: no way or you're seeing anything good even as a caddium.

857
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: Come on, put that thing ten feet behind your right foot.

858
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: And finally, j being the cool guy that he is,

859
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: said Okay, I'm a tour pro. I should be able

860
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 4: to hit the five with So he hit a beautiful shot,

861
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: kind of drew it back into the wind pin high

862
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 4: about thirty feet left of the whole pin. Hi beautiful shot.

863
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 4: It was there the whole way. And one thing I

864
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: always loved about Jay, Jay always knew who was better

865
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: than him, and he admired it getting beat by people.

866
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: He didn't think they were as good as him. But

867
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: he understood the Watsons and Trevino's Jack Tiger. He knew

868
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 4: that they had physical capabilities. He didn't, not that he

869
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: wanted to lose to him, but he understood it. So

870
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: Tiger took out this foe iron and he hit this shot,

871
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: and I swear that clubs stopped at waist high. You've

872
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 4: seen him do it, and DJ can do it too.

873
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: He just does it.

874
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: And he hit this thing. It looked like it was

875
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: about twenty feet off the ground and it just started

876
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: out as the hole and it stayed at the hole

877
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 4: and it never got higher. And he carried it in

878
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 4: there about twelve feet from the hole and it was

879
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 4: like the first time you saw a giraffe. He didn't

880
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: believe it, you know. And we were walking off the

881
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: tee and because Jay would always do this, he went

882
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 4: to me, how about that shot, which was his way

883
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: of saying, I give So we get down there and

884
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 4: Jay's putting from the left, Tigers lining up his putt

885
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 4: and I've always gotten along with Tiger, you know, because

886
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: I met him when he was young for your dad.

887
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: And I don't bother him and never asked him for

888
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: an autograph. I know how to leave him alone, and

889
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 4: I know, but he's very nice to me if he

890
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: sees me. He couldn't be any nicer because I'm not

891
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: a threat to him. I don't bug him, you know.

892
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: And so he's kneeling down reading this putt and I

893
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: kneel down next to him and I said, you know, Tiger,

894
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: you really haven't been on tour that long. Really, I said,

895
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: you might not want to be looking in our bag

896
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: on part of threes. We're shot makers.

897
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: And he goes with a He's.

898
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: Got a great smile when he smiles when he's in

899
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: comfort Zony with a big smile of his he said, man,

900
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 4: I didn't know they made fairoy woods. It went dead short.

901
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: But if I can tell one more story, Tommy Lamb,

902
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: who used to caddy for Bob GOLDI anyway on Jay

903
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: at this point he's canty for Faction and they're tied

904
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: with Tiger going to the last round of bay Hill.

905
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: You know what kind of a shot maker's paradise. And

906
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: I got to preface this story by I think the

907
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 4: next week was maybe the players. Tiger shot sixty six,

908
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: Brad shot seventy five. Tiger told Jay, he said, I

909
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: saw the worst round of golf I've ever seen in

910
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: my life on Sunday with Brad Faction, the worst ball striking,

911
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: he said. As I was going back home, I went

912
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 4: through Brad's round. He shot seventy five, and I thought,

913
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 4: if I had my best short game ever, I would

914
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: have shot eighty one. He shot seventy five. So I

915
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 4: kind of heard this story, didn't think much of it,

916
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: so I don't know. A year or so later, I

917
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: said to Tommy Lamb on Thomas, how do you get

918
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: get paired with Tiger Mutch? To get along on his

919
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 4: ow was great? So let me tell you the story

920
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: about bay Hill. Well, I already kind of heard this story,

921
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 4: he said, bad facts and playing. You can't even believe

922
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 4: bill where he says, he's hitting in the concession stands,

923
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: He's hitting it all over the place, He's shooting ninety

924
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: and we get to the last hole and somehow we're

925
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: still in third place. And as you know, that's a

926
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: you can make anything on that hole. He says. In

927
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 4: my mind, I'm begging him to drive it in the

928
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 4: rough so we can pitch out and the worst we're

929
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: going to make his five and we're going to get

930
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: fourth place. See, and I'm going to drive out of there,

931
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: and I hope I don't get arrested. So we're between

932
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: six and seven iron, and I'm not giving him a

933
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 4: seven iron. No wait, because he didn't hit a ball.

934
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: So I talk him into six and he hits the

935
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: only solid shot of the day and it carries into

936
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: the back bunker, which is fine with me because I

937
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: know you're going to get it up and down. So

938
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: I run up to pick up the divot and somebody

939
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: hits me on the calf for a club and I

940
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 4: look up and it's Tiger. He said, type Sho has

941
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 4: got a big smile and his base and said, I

942
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: bet you didn't see that shot coming. He said, how

943
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: do you caddy for this guy? And Tommy said, just

944
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: the way I did. Safety first, you know, so as

945
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: you know the interactions between the players is I always

946
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: wanted to be on the bench at a baseball game,

947
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: or on the dugout, or on the football game. And

948
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 4: when you're a caddy or a coach, you are the bench.

949
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: Nick dunlop An amateur winning a PGA Tour event.

950
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: What a story.

951
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: And I thought I thought he was going to struggle,

952
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: and he had a little wobble. But I mean JT

953
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: and Sam Burns were the ones that were struck down

954
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: the stretch.

955
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: I think it's all you need to know about golf.

956
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: When I met Jay Hass, he told me his story

957
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 4: his first west Chester Classic. Alex Alexander was over at Wingfort,

958
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: so he went over to see Lex. You never met

959
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 4: my dad, so you can imagine what that was like.

960
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 4: He said, boy, your dad was great to me. I

961
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: couldn't believe how much he knew about my amateur career.

962
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 4: I said, it was his business. He knew who was good,

963
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 4: you know. And he was giving a lesson and turned

964
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: that grip over.

965
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: You know what he was doing.

966
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: He was imitating my dad with his hands. You know.

967
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: He had a plaid coat on and stripe pants and everything.

968
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: And he said he was getting ready to leave. I

969
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 4: was sitting in the cart with him. He kind of

970
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: hit me there, right, get out of here. I got

971
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: to go, and he said. He started to drive off,

972
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: and he stopped and he said, Jay, I just got

973
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: one thing to tell you. He said, I don't know

974
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: what he meant by that's why I'm asking you. He said,

975
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 4: what's that? Mister Harmony says, the clubbing ball don't know

976
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: your name. He left, and so he said, what does

977
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 4: that mean? He said that actually was his way of saying,

978
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: you can be as good as you want to be.

979
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 4: Because Nicholas and Palmer and Watson and Travino, they don't

980
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: have a patent on shooting sixty seven. They're not the

981
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: only ones that can do it. So the club and

982
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: ball doesn't know who's swinging the club. And that was

983
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 4: his way of saying, you're good and believe in yourself. Well,

984
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 4: the club and ball didn't know he was an amateur.

985
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 4: Now the beauty of golf, and you know this is

986
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 4: no matter how good you are, you have to perform

987
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 4: every shot, every shot. Sam Byrn's world class player, world

988
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: class player. You know what, he made too bad swings.

989
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: You know what it's happened to every player that's ever lived.

990
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: You make wrong, bad swings at the wrong time. And

991
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 4: the club and ball didn't know that Dunlop was an

992
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: amateur and he made good swings and he grinded it out.

993
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: But you you came up with the key there. It

994
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: was a passing comment, but it wasn't. He overcame adversity

995
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: early on, and that's what you can't teach, right, Yeah,

996
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: that cards as soon as it happened. Oh he's going

997
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: to start falter.

998
00:52:59,320 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: You know what he did?

999
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, little pitch shot on eight, you know, in there

1000
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: like that, And as you know as a coach, sometimes

1001
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 4: the nerves will show on pitch shots. Yeah, where you've

1002
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 4: got to have great touch. And he came right back

1003
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 4: in a beautiful shot. So your comment was passing, But

1004
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 4: to me it wasn't. It meant that he had whatever

1005
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: it took inside. And I'm not too sure you can

1006
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: teach that. You can make people better at it, but

1007
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: the people that have it naturally, I don't know. You know,

1008
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 4: Brooks is the only player I've seen since Tiger that

1009
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: will say I'm going to win this thing tomorrow and

1010
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 4: a major championship.

1011
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: And he has that in it.

1012
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 4: No, he does, and he's the only one that will

1013
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 4: say it, and it bothers people because then he backs

1014
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: it up. But I don't think you can teach that.

1015
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: You told me that when he came on tour. He's

1016
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: not afraid of anything. No, he never asked me to

1017
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 4: pick him for the Presidents Cup team. We had a conversation.

1018
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't tried to get it.

1019
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: Hadn't done enough, you know, for whatever reasons whatever, But

1020
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 4: you said that to me. See, I remember this stuff

1021
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: because I actually look at people's insides more than now

1022
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 4: than I look at their swings.

1023
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1024
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: No, why because you can't be on tour and have

1025
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 4: a bad swing. We really can't. You can't be good

1026
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 4: enough to have one of those two hundred cards and

1027
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: have a bad swing. No, it might not look good,

1028
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 4: it might not have well, you know, as an old

1029
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: pro from the Northwest, Jerry Mold said, well, you know,

1030
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 4: some Sam Snead would have They would have thought he

1031
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: had a bad swing when the symmetry police showed up

1032
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: and started drawing the lines.

1033
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1034
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: So I'm a I have such respect for the talent

1035
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: of these players. It's unbelievable how good they are anything.

1036
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is.

1037
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're coming out there younger and younger

1038
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: and they I mean, I've said this a lot recently.

1039
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: There's no apprenticeship now.

1040
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean you remember when you played, when when you

1041
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: when you were trying to play, when my dad was playing,

1042
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: and then when you were caddying early if somebody was

1043
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: a rookie, there was a two to three.

1044
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: Year apprenticeship maturation, need to.

1045
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 4: Learn the role tournaments or they're good and you.

1046
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 3: Know, And it's not like Jay hows when he turned

1047
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: pro he'd won.

1048
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: A boatload of college tournaments.

1049
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: He won the double A well.

1050
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean it was an amazing But I think the

1051
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: kids this generation, they have so much access to information

1052
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: to fitness, but they just have so much more and

1053
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: they can dial the equipment into basically just match whatever

1054
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: they do and they have no fear.

1055
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: They just don't eat because I.

1056
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: Haven't been to a tour event in quite a while,

1057
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 4: and you're out there all the time. So maybe when

1058
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 4: pick up on it as much as I do, there

1059
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 4: was a time when there were about four or five players.

1060
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 4: When they were on the range, you knew that the

1061
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 4: sound of their ball was different. Yeah, And your back

1062
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: could be to them and you'd say that Tiger's hit

1063
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: an iron shot over there, yea, Or let's Trevino buzzing

1064
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 4: some wedge. You could even be a wedge. And Bill

1065
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 4: was on the range first day practice around hitting balls

1066
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 4: and there's a guy about fifteen yards away, but he

1067
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: was kind of a little bit in front of me,

1068
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 4: so I couldn't really see you. It was now, I'm

1069
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 4: telling you, this ball was coming off his club and

1070
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 4: this guy was this strap and looking guy, and I'm

1071
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 4: watching these shots and I'm listening to them and they

1072
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: are just so good. Wyndham clark Us opened it and

1073
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 4: I said, why am I? Hey, I didn't even recognize him.

1074
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 4: I've seen in my life other than on TV. And

1075
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 4: plus he was ahead of me, so all I could

1076
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 4: see was his back, and I was just like, Wow,

1077
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 4: this is what the game has become. It's really something.

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00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 4: The quality of golf today is incredible, and I believe

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00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 4: that they do set the courses up too easy for

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00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 4: the abilities that they have. I really do. I don't

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: really like watching thirty under them. Yeah, I don't like

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00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: watching your driving a wedge. I just don't like it.

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00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 4: You know, Wingfoot, a great player, had a great week.

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00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: E Chambeau the only guy that broke car yep, and

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00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 4: you know what, tied for tenth six over Jean and

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00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: wing Foot played short. Remember the ball it was run,

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00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: was up, but it was running. They didn't driving wedge

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00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 4: to the ninth tall six yards, but they made you

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00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 4: drive it straight and they made you plan from there.

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Speaker 2: So I don't really like.

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: Watching thirty thirty five hunder. I really don't. I like

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00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: to see, uh. I like to see somebody have to

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: make four powers on four hard holes coming in to

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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 4: win a tournament, that's right. And so I've kind of

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 4: become disenchanted with watching pro golf, and I'm disenchanted with

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00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 4: all the noise and all that stuff, and I've lost

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00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: a little bit of just every holes are driving a

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00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 4: wedge and every hole, every part finds are driving a

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Speaker 4: six iron. I don't know, it's just and they can

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00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: all do it. It's not like fun guy's doing it.

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00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 4: Everybody hits it long. You know, Jill hits the three

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00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: hundred yards and he's like one hundred and Thirtieth's joke

1103
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: really is we were playing with Shoffley and Canley in

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00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 4: a practice ground and you know, Bill says, yeah, they're

1105
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: you know, doesn't look like much. They're twenty yards ahead

1106
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 4: of me, but that's two clubs. Yeah, you know, they're

1107
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 4: going to get their wedge closer than my seven iron.

1108
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 4: Every time w's four rounds. It's a kind of a mismatch,

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00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 4: you know so, but you see it and you're you're

1110
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: part of it, and you teach it, and you know

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00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 4: the power game, and so it's cool for me to

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00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 4: watch it up close. And I have great respect for

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00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: how good they are. They're really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're going to I mean, the story in

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00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: Patty and for Bill this week or last week and

1116
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: then getting to Caddy for Jay with all the history

1117
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: at New Poor Country Club. It's it's a pretty special

1118
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: life that you've been lucky enough to live.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've said this a lot, and I'm old enough

1120
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: to look back on it and realize this. You're kind

1121
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 4: of in the middle of it, and I hope you

1122
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 4: realize it at all. The Harmon brothers and you at

1123
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 4: our four we're pretty ordinary people and we've lived an

1124
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: extraordinary life because of golf. Yeah, we really have to

1125
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: forget your accomplishments. As a teacher, I don't like the

1126
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: word accomplishments. I like the word experiences. You know, I

1127
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: saw you when Brooks wanted Aaron Hills, and I saw

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00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 4: you hop in the cart. I didn't think about how

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00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 4: much money you made and all that stuff, how much

1130
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 4: money you made. I thought about how cool. It must

1131
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 4: have been. That's part right now. I mean that, And

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00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 4: those are the things that you're going to remember. I

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 4: believe when my dad was dying, I was in the

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: hospital room with the one time I was too sure

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Speaker 4: what he was going to say to me. I'm sure

1136
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 4: your brother, Butch wasn't either when he was alone, and

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 4: he was the opposite of what I thought. And he

1138
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: said to me, and I'll never forget this, he said,

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01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 4: you know, Bill, I lay here and I know what's

1140
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 4: going to happen. And I can honestly tell you I

1141
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: never think about one of the masters. I never think

1142
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: about being the pro wing foot or sending all that stuff.

1143
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 4: All I think about is family and friends. All the

1144
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 4: other stuff that I thought was important is stuff. But

1145
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 4: that ride in the cart that's important. It is it

1146
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 4: is get a big check and you get all this stuff,

1147
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 4: and that's great. But was that your first major with him?

1148
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 4: It was yeah, yeah, see, and I knew that. And

1149
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 4: so when I look at that stuff, those are the

1150
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 4: things that you're going to remember. You'll spend the money.

1151
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 4: You know, eventually one of your rolexes will break, and

1152
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 4: hope you get it. You never forget that moment. And

1153
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 4: that's what it really is all about.

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Speaker 2: To me, thank you for saying that.

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01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 3: It's been great talking jests.

1156
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: We we missed you and we'll hope to see you soon.

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: In good job last week.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll accruit a lot of stories in the next

1159
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Speaker 4: three years when you have me on again.

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Speaker 3: You got it. I love you, brother to you.

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Speaker 1: So that was my uncle, Billy Harmon. Billy was always

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Speaker 1: my favorite uncle. And you know, when you get to

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Speaker 1: talk to someone, you know he's in his early he's

1164
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: in his early seventies. He's been around the game his

1165
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: entire life. He has seen so much of golf instruction.

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01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: He was a great player, but I thought his insight

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01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: into kind of caddying and what it kind of takes,

1168
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: what it's like. As I said in the intro, Billy

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01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: is a golf instructor. That's what he's known for. But

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01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: the DNA of of who he is as a as

1171
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: a person was forged by the years that he cardied

1172
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. And anytime I can talk to

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Speaker 1: somebody like Billy, that kind of old school kind of

1174
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: Raycantur type, you know, storytelling, it's just it's amazing for

1175
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: me and I think you can hear how much I

1176
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: was laughing in the interview. Billy's always been my favorite uncle.

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01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: He's been out of all my dad's brothers, he's been

1178
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: easily been the most supportive.

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Speaker 2: Of me in my career.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I can't thank him enough for everything

1181
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: he's done for me. And I think it's just a

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Speaker 1: cool story. I mean, he's had a very unique life.

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: He's battled adiction and you know, he has turned his

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01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: life around, and you know he is a deep, deep thinker.

1185
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: And hope everybody enjoyed that one, because I know I did.

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01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,160
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