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Speaker 1: Should we talk about Karma the president of campaign or

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Speaker 1: your bike?

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Speaker 3: I need to get back in chip so yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Hi everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs

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Speaker 2: Tennis podcast. I'm here with Caitlin Thompson Andrea Pekovic has

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Speaker 2: decided to head back to Germany for a little bit,

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Speaker 1: She was here for three weeks salad similarly, eating unhealthy foods,

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Speaker 1: working morning in and Nate, although you were too, and

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Speaker 1: you're still here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still here. I'm a trooper. No, she's gone back.

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Speaker 2: I think she's doing some work. But anyway, everyone, I

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Speaker 2: sent out a tweet earlier today to get a few

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Speaker 2: questions from you, and we're going to get to those.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to those, one of the pending

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Speaker 2: things that I put out on Twitter, I think on

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Speaker 2: Friday of last week was the surprise of Naomi Osaka

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Speaker 2: given the old Flicky rou to the old whim for

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Speaker 2: because I have many and I did tweet out something

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Speaker 2: do you mean? And I said, you're a man, you

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Speaker 2: don't understand these things. But what are your thoughts on this, Caitlin?

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Speaker 1: I like that you've gone from an outright aggression on

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Speaker 2: It's growth, Caitlin.

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Speaker 3: It's growth. It's proud of you, It's growth.

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Speaker 1: I am shocked.

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Speaker 1: Not that necessarily the whim fa set Naomi Osaka partnership

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Speaker 1: She sort of had some comments about it, Junction One

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Speaker 1: A mercenary vibe out there that said they haven't done

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Speaker 3: Intact, when I leave situations for sure, and you want

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Speaker 2: When situation and be like you kind of got what

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Speaker 1: similar conclusions, but from pretty different places. And one thing

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Speaker 1: that I will say, having gone to journalism school, having

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Speaker 1: worked in newsrooms at the Washington Post, having worked at time,

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Speaker 1: is that if you're an investigative journalists, which I am not,

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Speaker 1: but I have PubL and worked on Pulitro Prize practice

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Speaker 1: winning packages of investigative journalism, the one thing you don't

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Speaker 1: do is an investigative journalism journalists make yourself the story

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Speaker 1: is make yourself the story ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

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Speaker 1: You lose credibility and you don't get people on record

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Speaker 1: who should be on record. I can tell you that

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Speaker 1: Ben's reporting would be a lot better if people would

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Speaker 1: talk to him. He doesn't have to be friends with them,

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Speaker 1: but he does have to make them feel like he's

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Speaker 1: not going to burn them. So the truth is, you know, which.

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Speaker 2: Is why I don't write a lot of shit on

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Speaker 2: Twitter or you know, throw people on the bus on

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Speaker 2: my podcast, because I like I like relationships.

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Speaker 1: I actually, you know, and also sometimes you can be

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Speaker 1: more influential or have more effect if you're advocating behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes or talking behind the scenes. In the case

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Speaker 1: of you know, why is Ben sitting at home because

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Speaker 1: during this US Open, it's not really his racket.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's not even because of Alex vere If.

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Speaker 1: It's because of Ben, and I would love to see many,

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Speaker 1: many more investigative journalists in the mix, it would.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I defended him for so many years,

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Speaker 1: despite him growing in sort of increasing problematic, especially on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: is because we need this function of investigative journalism.

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Speaker 2: You have been you have from the very get go, Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: I know I can say this on the record, is

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Speaker 2: that you have been a huge proponent of more journalists

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Speaker 2: being real journalists in tennis, and not just like because

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Speaker 2: it is hard to be a journalist in tennis, because

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Speaker 2: you need to be able to just like every other sport,

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Speaker 2: you need to curry favor, You need to have the

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Speaker 2: players like you. They give you soundbites, they give you

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Speaker 2: good interviews, you know, blah blah blah. And we see

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Speaker 2: it often where some of these journalists going there and

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Speaker 2: ask the just the dumbest, lamest questions. And that's one thing.

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Speaker 2: But we do need journalists that do ask the hard questions.

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Speaker 2: But then again, like you said, don't make it about themselves.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that became such a compromised.

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Speaker 2: Because would you not agree that a journalist who is

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Speaker 2: really a true journalist would go in there and if

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Speaker 2: you are in the right, would be the first one

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Speaker 2: to write about you in the right right.

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Speaker 1: I sat next to two journalists when I worked at

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post. One was Dana Priest. The other one

485
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Speaker 1: was Crystaliza. Crystalis is famous. He's on TV. He's a pundit.

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Speaker 1: He talks on TV all day about who's up, who's down,

487
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Speaker 1: political blah blah blah. He's on Twitter all the time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would accuse him of being a journalist.

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Speaker 1: Dana Priest kept her mouth shut, kept her head down,

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Speaker 1: won a whole bunch of Pilitzer prizes, and changed laws

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Speaker 1: with her investigations, especially when I was there, into the

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Speaker 1: Walter Reed Medical Center and in the way was treating veterans.

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Speaker 1: That is what an investigative journalist does. And I think

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Speaker 1: Tennis needs plenty and I'd like to, you know, just say,

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Speaker 1: in no way, shape or form whatever, hang a staffer

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Speaker 1: out to dry a free answer who decides to change

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Speaker 1: his persona and become essentially indefensible. That's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a different vibe.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, well I think you've answered that

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Speaker 2: question as well as you could. No, but I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Twitter's sort of just acsessible anyway, Like

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Speaker 1: half the time I'm getting made fun.

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Speaker 3: Of for whatever.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, I think had I not gone through

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Speaker 1: several years of having like death threats from sir or

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Speaker 1: like you know, in entire countries decide I'm person and ungraded,

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Speaker 1: I would have taken maybe a little bit more personalthing.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is like nothing on Twitter matters nobody.

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Speaker 1: You guys want to cancel your subscriptions.

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Speaker 2: None of you read it in actual fact, if I didn't,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I've got a lot of like

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Speaker 2: followers on Twitter for my standard, and I'm like Jesus

513
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Speaker 2: like for me to get stuff across. It's nice to

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Speaker 2: be able to get it out there. But then the

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Speaker 2: hate that comes on Twitter is just insane, especially from

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Speaker 2: certain fan fandoms. Standems you know if you say something

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Speaker 2: a little bit that's tough about their favorite player, it's like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, and you don't need to say anything

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know what you're talking about yet, But there.

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Speaker 2: Are a lot and you know it's one line and

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Speaker 2: it's not sometimes how you feel, you know, in a

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Speaker 2: whole context about a player. But you have to also

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Speaker 2: say things that, whether it be a critique or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And you know, those are the questions we're going to

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Speaker 2: get too.

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Speaker 3: Should we get in? Should we get in?

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Speaker 2: I just want to say on Zubo has pulled out,

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Speaker 2: Eager pulled out of Korea, On has pulled out. Nobody

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Speaker 2: went to Guadalajara, although a big shout out to Olivia

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Speaker 2: Goodeki from Australia, Australia who got through qualifying and made

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Speaker 2: the final with no coach. It's not even get into that. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's been a little bit. She's had a lot of

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Speaker 2: coaches over the last few years. But live. If I

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Speaker 2: can say anything to you publicly, my god, if you

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Speaker 2: can find someone to really help you, do it, because

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Speaker 2: you're too good to be languishing.

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Speaker 3: I feel, as we know a coach.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that I didn't even think

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Speaker 2: of that, but listen, I'd be happy to help her

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Speaker 2: at any time. There you go. I threw out a name.

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Speaker 1: Wait just a moment on Korea because they did lose

543
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Speaker 1: Pagoula Shiantek Emma at Kano is now in the mandra

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Speaker 1: They love her.

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Speaker 3: In Asia.

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Speaker 1: We are doing something in Korea. We are doing a

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Speaker 1: fun VIP party with our racket Career and our friends.

548
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Speaker 1: No more bego score in the original beer company. Follow

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Speaker 1: her Instagram. It's going to be very fun. I'm very jealous.

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Speaker 3: I'm not flying to Soul right now, which is what

551
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Speaker 3: I was supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: And Soul is great too. Soul is great.

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Speaker 1: I know it could be getting the best officials in

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Speaker 1: the world. Anyway, Korea, despite not having some of the

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Speaker 1: biggest names, will be a good time just because of

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Speaker 1: how popping off that tennis is. But the larger point remains,

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Speaker 1: the schedule is killing everybody.

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Speaker 2: The schedule is killing area.

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Speaker 3: It's killing everybody, you know.

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Speaker 2: I do remember having to go to Europe after the

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Speaker 2: US Open. Asia is like another It's just it's just

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Speaker 2: an added h right, It's more hours. You know, everybody

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Speaker 2: who goes back to Europe after the US Open. Europeans

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Speaker 2: like to play in Europe. Now they've got to go

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Speaker 2: back home and then back to Asia, and then Americans

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Speaker 2: are got to go over to Asia. It's like it's

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Speaker 2: a I mean, the only people benefiting people that live

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Speaker 2: in Asia. Great, you know, Japanese players, Chinese players, players

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Speaker 2: from that region of the world. They're like, great, this

570
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Speaker 2: is great for us, But man, it's a bear. It's

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Speaker 2: a bear to have to go to Asia and then

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Speaker 2: you've got to go to Guadalajara. Like what after the

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Speaker 2: US Open? Fuck? What are we doing? WTA Like, get

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Speaker 2: it together, Matt.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, I love Mexico tournaments.

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Speaker 1: It's just see, like with all of the different tournament,

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Speaker 1: why can't they be all in the same period of

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Speaker 1: the calendar?

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Speaker 2: Have them before.

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Speaker 1: We've got a great tournament in Manorree, We've got a

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Speaker 1: great ternam in a Caapolca. We've got a great tournament Guadalajara.

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Speaker 1: Why not just put them all in one place so

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Speaker 1: once you're in Mexico you're there for a while.

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Speaker 2: No, really, Caitlyn, you think that's smart. Come on, I mean, no, God,

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Speaker 2: make it easier on the players. So I have to

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Speaker 2: travel sixteen hours to get to another time.

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Speaker 3: People figure it out.

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Speaker 2: No, it's like they should have a couple before Palm

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Speaker 2: Springs in Wells, Okay, a couple before the US Open.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense. Two back to back weeks in Mexico,

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Speaker 2: and Mexican fans are the absolute best, right, they're the

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Speaker 2: best anyway. Davis Cup was also over the last week.

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Speaker 2: Australia made it through to the last night. So did

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Speaker 2: the Americans.

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Speaker 1: Australia beat the Czech Republic? Yeah, we beat the Czechs

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Speaker 1: been the Australian.

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Speaker 2: But the question I asked you about it is, how

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Speaker 2: do you feel about this format? Like playing like four

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Speaker 2: teams in one country four teams in another country. You've

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Speaker 2: got you know, there's a whole home tie sort of,

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Speaker 2: but not really because when you've got France playing Australia

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Speaker 2: in Spain, that's not a home tie for anybody. I

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Speaker 2: know the players aren't super happy about it. How do

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Speaker 2: you solve this? I have one thing I would like

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Speaker 2: to see because I watched the Solheim Cup this week,

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Speaker 2: you know, the women's golf. It's like the I have

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Speaker 2: to I hate that I have to describe this because

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Speaker 2: people should know, but it's like the female version of

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Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup.

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Speaker 3: When I say that, I don't know the cup is

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Speaker 3: for you, definitely. I don't know how it's but it's

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Speaker 3: a team. It's a team, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Such a great vibe. It's fun. It makes it's golf

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Speaker 2: that's fun, which is I guess what the Live to

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Speaker 2: I tried to do as well with music and the

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Speaker 2: stands were going bonkers, like literally, the Americans the Europeans

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Speaker 2: would go to hit off and it was like crickets.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how nerve wracking it is to be

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Speaker 2: in front of like ten thousand people in a massive

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Speaker 2: stadium around you and you're about to hit off your

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Speaker 2: first shot at a golf on a golf course. It's like,

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Speaker 2: what the fuck? It's so quiet, which they're used to

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Speaker 2: granted golfers. But then the Americans came up to hit

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Speaker 2: and it was going The music was pumper and people

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Speaker 2: were screaming USA, USA, and these players hit off the

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Speaker 2: first hole with music and the fans going bonkers, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, golf, this is what it should be,

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Speaker 2: which is, as I said, what the Live tried to do.

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Speaker 2: Make it less, you know, snobby and quiet and all

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Speaker 2: that shitt of shit because I go to golf all

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Speaker 2: the time. I have so many friends that played golf,

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Speaker 2: and I know you, I mean literally, I try not

633
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Speaker 2: to walk when I put My friend who was playing

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Speaker 2: is like about to hit. I'm like, what if I

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Speaker 2: make a noise? You know what I mean. So it's like,

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Speaker 2: it was fun, But tennis needs something like this, and

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Speaker 2: is it a team competition. It's a team competition, so maybe.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's Smart Churs Europe and so it's your

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Speaker 1: cumulative scorers.

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Speaker 2: Scores for days. It literally came down to the last,

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Speaker 2: like three players on the last day, even though the

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00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Americans had a really big lead going into Sunday, it

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Speaker 2: came down to the end. It was so exciting and

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Speaker 2: it was so great. Tennis needs something very similar and

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Speaker 2: they need to do it every two years. So enough

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Speaker 2: with Davis Cup and Billy Jean King Cup. As much

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Speaker 2: as I love them, they were my favorite weeks of

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Speaker 2: the year. But if we're going to continue to have

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Speaker 2: Labor Cup and Hopman Cup and Blah Blah Blah Cup

650
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Speaker 2: and this exhibition and that exhibition, Davis Cup and Billygean

651
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Speaker 2: king Cup are suffering and they're they should be the

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Speaker 2: root of the youth of tennis watching in their home countries.

653
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: And I miss the home and away ties. Understand if

654
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: you're going to do it in one place, but do

655
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: it every once every two years and make it a

656
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: true destination where people go and travel, like the Soiling Cup,

657
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: like Ryder Cup, where they make a trip out of it,

658
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: you know, instead of like I can't even keep up

659
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: with the Billy Jean King Cup and Davis Cup anymore.

660
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, aren't you going to the village where I

661
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: am going?

662
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to take the show to the

663
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Billy Jean King Cup and actually give it some you know,

664
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: gravitas and like some publicity and all that sort of stuff.

665
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: But you know, the Tennis Channel I think is maybe

666
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: covering it. But it's like it should be a bigger

667
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: event every I think it should be every two years.

668
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: It should be opposite the Olympics. It should never be

669
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: the year of the Olympics ever. Okay, your thoughts.

670
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: There's so many things to react to there. I were

671
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: kill Labor Cup immediately.

672
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: I just in the interest.

673
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: You have to prune, right if you're gonna plant some

674
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: seeds that you want to have.

675
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: I only need to get together and do something about it.

676
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Because Labor Cup gets amazing crowds. It'll be interesting to

677
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: see what happens with no Rafa, no Roger nob.

678
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, does it get amazing crowds or does Roger just

679
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: get amazing crowds Rafa. I don't mind exhibitions. I don't

680
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: mind that things are not for a score. We got

681
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: one of Madison Square Garden with men and women amazing

682
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Amm Navarro, La, Ben Shelton and Carlitos are coming the

683
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: beginning of December to Madison Square, which is awesome. Which

684
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: is where the year end championships used to be played,

685
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: which is so cool.

686
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: You've played a.

687
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Year in championships at Madison Square Gard time playing the

688
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: WTA finals, which is so cool.

689
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: It's just these things become Chamberlain watching me believe that.

690
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 3: No, that's insane. Okay, he loved tennis, but he was easiest,

691
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: but and a crowd.

692
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: It was easy to spot. I sat with him a

693
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: couple of times, and he loved tennis. He just loved it.

694
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was a whole I just think, you know,

695
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't mind this. I was on a podcast Friday

696
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: and they're like, what do you think about uts? And

697
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: the thing in the format? Fact, that's another thing, and

698
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: I don't mind it.

699
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't care about the formats. What I care about

700
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: is are these things good for the players? Does it

701
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: make for good tennis? And most importantly does it promote

702
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: the sport? Because it's easy to follow, easy to find

703
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: and make sense in the meta.

704
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Narrative, and easy to get behind. And so that's always

705
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: the issue, which is just like, I.

706
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: Know they want to do this super two and there's

707
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: this all big talk about it, la la lah. But

708
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: what would be actually interesting is after the US Open

709
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: is over, they have a couple of really big team

710
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: events and just literally make the US Open the last

711
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: tournament where outside of the WTA and ATP finals where

712
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: they have you know, points or whatever it is. And

713
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 2: after the US Open, that's the end of year. Number one,

714
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: we played Davis Cup, we play fed Cup, and we

715
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: play the WTA Finals and I T finals. That to

716
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: me makes sense.

717
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: I agree.

718
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: What do you think of that, listeners, I'd like to

719
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: hear what you think about it. Yeah, I think I

720
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: just came up with that out of my ass right now.

721
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: I think it's smart and I think it makes sense,

722
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: which is which phase of the year are we in? Okay,

723
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: we're in the team part phase.

724
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess what if Asia wants to put

725
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: it on because they put a lot of money into tennis,

726
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: because China has a lot of money, probably most of

727
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: it is ours, and they have put on the team's

728
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: event there.

729
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: And also China has a fantastic woman and a fantastic man,

730
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: both of which medaled at the Olympics. So it's not

731
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: like it's a bunch of you know, AstroTurf. There could

732
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: be some real grassroots stuff. No. I think my issue

733
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: is just more the things that feel one off and

734
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: cannibalize the other stuff. Is the is what starts to

735
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: feel unnecessary, tiring for the players, obligatory and just and

736
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: give them a lot of money, put these events on

737
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: and give them a lot of money, but it also

738
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: just makes for the tennis worse. Like, how many players

739
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: did you see play the uts Cup who did not

740
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: play the US Open? Like everyone gave Nick whatever reviews

741
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: they gave Neck for commentating during the US Open. Nick

742
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: played in the uts he didn't play in the US Open.

743
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't know that. I wasn't paying attention.

744
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: He played two days of exhibition tennis, and then he

745
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: bounced and okay, put on his sweat urt and back retat.

746
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to some questions before we get onto

747
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: that train again. All right, Cola City, Hey, why are

748
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: we making the ball kids grab the sweaty towels again? Thanks? Gas,

749
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeh TP. I think the only ones

750
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: doing it the w T nine. I'm so over it

751
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: because you know, back in my day, the heat was

752
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: just the same. The sweat was coming off me just

753
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: the same. It's like we didn't have ball kids running

754
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: the towel to us every point. Go and watch some tennis.

755
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the greatest. One of the best finals was

756
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: Steffi Graft playing a Rancher Sanchez for Curry and I

757
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: think it was five all on the third of the final, okay,

758
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: and it was hot that day, and I remember them

759
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: they played like an eighteen minute game.

760
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember that. Just go and yeah, it's famous,

761
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: but unbelievable.

762
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: I think after like that sixteenth minute, Stephie finally ran

763
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: to her chair, ran to her chair, grabbed a towel,

764
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: teeled herself down and then ran back. I was like,

765
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: one time she went to the towel one time in

766
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: eighteen points in a final of the US Open. If

767
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: that was now, she'd be taking the towel every she

768
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't be because she's not that player. But these players now,

769
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: like tw I got ased, tell I got ased, tell

770
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: Ooh a double fault towel. I'm like, are you fucking

771
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: kidding me? Wear a sweatband, wipe your face just like

772
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: all of us.

773
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: Do you know what?

774
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: Use your shirt? Like like like Taylor Fritz does every

775
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: time he lifts his shirt up and wipes his face.

776
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: It's like, you don't need a towel. It's a reset.

777
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: And I understand it's all mental now, but it's like,

778
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, if you can't get over there and

779
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: get your own towel in twenty seconds, too bad. That's

780
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: how I feel about it.

781
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: So they go, we have a racket superfan Mark Shapiro,

782
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: who's a hospitalist, who says that it is appalling to

783
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: him that the CDC and other health protocols are not

784
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: being fun and these are Germ vecetors.

785
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: So from the person, look at what's his name, pukin

786
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 2: in the towel, Hey boy, boy, give it that towel enough.

787
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: I'd be like giving him the middle finger. You'll get

788
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: your own, damn puky towel.

789
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: Tweter from Colver City. We are agreed with you.

790
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: Here we go. Okay. If a three point three or

791
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: three point five player wants to improve to the point

792
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: of winning tournaments, what should they focus on? Oh?

793
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: Well, now's your big opportunity, coach.

794
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm not good with the three point three five players.

795
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: I'm married to one.

796
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: Oh really, uh huh, So what would you tell her

797
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: to do better?

798
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: You know what? I love that she does naturally whether

799
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: she deserves to come in or not, because she's not

800
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: constructed the points she does.

801
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I like about it.

802
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: The answer to this is find what you're good at

803
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: and get better at that, yes, and don't harp on

804
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: the negatives of what you don't do well. Okay, So

805
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: that is the key.

806
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: Clear rights under the net.

807
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: I was not a great returner of the ball, but

808
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: I was like, if I get this return in, everything

809
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: else is really good. Yep. So that's what you need

810
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: to focus on. You need to focus on the positives

811
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: and practice those over and the things you don't do well,

812
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: practice those at nauseum as well, and you might get

813
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: that little bit better to turn.

814
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but everybody's give to a four point.

815
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: Everybody has to run us or US flex I like

816
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: that name, all right, Philwin who always writes to us,

817
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: what would happen if players boycott at towour events if

818
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: they do not like the two week Masters, they'd get

819
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: a big fit zero on their rankings, and it counts.

820
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: So they players have a certain amount of ranking, a

821
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: certain amount of tournaments where they count their rankings for

822
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: their end of year ranking, and so you do not

823
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: want to zero on your ranking because that counts.

824
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: But explain that it counts for your bonuses, for your everything.

825
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean where you're ranked at the end of the years,

826
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: your bonuses. Like if you're a number one in the world,

827
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: you might have something written into your contract clause that

828
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: says you get six million dollars or three million dollars

829
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: for being number one in the world from Nike or

830
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: On or Wilson or whatever. So it's super important rankings.

831
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: Not only fan seeding, but also don't they get fined

832
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: if they scime.

833
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Masters, they get fined and they get a zero points.

834
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: So the main answer is check book your chap book.

835
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, players don't care if they're really well off,

836
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: don't care much.

837
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: About Yeah Novak job doesn't care about missing out the

838
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Master's one thousands.

839
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: Then one know that there's a lot of other players.

840
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: Thoughts on Rafah nixing Labor Cup last minute from glam

841
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: Spin Tennis, Well, I'm not surprised he's not one hundred percent.

842
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: Why would you waste your body on something that's not

843
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: worth anything to you other than money, and God knows

844
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 2: he doesn't need the money. So I think he pulled

845
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: out because he's trying to get prepared for Australia. That's

846
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: my thoughts.

847
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: Also, without Raja, I don't know that he has much

848
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: of a reason to be there.

849
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: No, I think he truly wants to play one more year.

850
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm saying that, but I think he

851
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: really does, and I think if he puts in the work,

852
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: he feels like I could give it a good go

853
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: next year and then be done. Okay to run, Asaurus

854
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: reflects again, let's pretend that you coach Serena after the

855
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen US Open.

856
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: This one's directed to me with her to.

857
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Win some more Slams. That's hard for me to say

858
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: because I wasn't in her day to day life after

859
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, but I think I would loved to have

860
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: coached her after that period of time. I would have

861
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: just done what I did when I was working with her,

862
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: is just you know, built her confidence to the point

863
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: where she believed so much in her own game and

864
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: herself that she probably would have maybe got through some

865
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: of those finals. I also would have probably given her

866
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: better game plans.

867
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's.

868
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: Reservoir Duck wants to know how rich do you have

869
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: to be to make it into the top ten as

870
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: an American player. I think that's a dig on my

871
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: tweet from the other day about when I said, you

872
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: do not get into the top ten because you're a

873
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: daughter of a billionaire. Okay, it doesn't fucking happen. Okay,

874
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: you have to actually put in the work to be

875
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: in the top ten in the world, and you won't

876
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: see Amminavara and Jess Pagoula like off, you know, having

877
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: a drink at a local pub the night before their match.

878
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: They are approaching it just like any person who grew

879
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: up like me with a garbage man and a Milkman

880
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: as dad, like, you have to put in the work.

881
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: It comes down to you. I was around a lot

882
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: of wealthy kids who had talent who never made it

883
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: because they were lazy.

884
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: Yah, And I would actually say super.

885
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: Talented people that were poor and they didn't make it

886
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: because they were lazy. That's what it comes down to.

887
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jess Pigola drives to tournaments when she's in the States.

888
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, she's billionaires

889
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: should exist and we shouldn't.

890
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: Andanavara went to college Okay.

891
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, these are those two are particularly bad examples

892
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: because they also didn't tell if it's like ton of

893
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: cut off money. Yeah, but didn't he and his dad

894
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: have some sort of schism where like he didn't get

895
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: the money or I don't know, good Scoop, I think.

896
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, don't don't quote that, but I feel

897
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: like at some point he kind of made his own

898
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: has made his own path.

899
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: Okay. Tennis man, should there be a defined off season

900
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: in tennis for any reasons? Hell? Yes, and all the

901
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: reasons stop. Like I said, I think it needs to

902
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: finish after the US Open, have a couple of really

903
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: big team events, after that where everyone's happy, they're getting

904
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: paid a shitload of money, but the points aren't an

905
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: important thing for them because that's why they have to

906
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: go and play. So that's what I think we should do. So, yes,

907
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: there needs to be more of an off season. We

908
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: don't have an off season in tennis. I'm going to

909
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 2: tell you right now. When I played twenty two years,

910
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: if I took two weeks off of tennis, that was

911
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: too much. It was like, I take a week off

912
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: of tennis, a week off of getting in the gym,

913
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: and then when I came back it was torture. When

914
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: you take one week off of being in the gym

915
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: or on the tennis court, comeback is really hard. So

916
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: that's why players have to keep going and that's why

917
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: we have burnouts. Is it possible for the WTA to

918
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: change rules for the next year about mandatory events after

919
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: players complaints, Well, listen, I think that's a bigger story.

920
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: And as I said, we need to have mandatory events

921
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: because we need to guarantee these tournaments that are putting

922
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: a lot of money that they have the best players

923
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: there and that's why they're mandatory events. But we have

924
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: to be more strategic where they are and how many

925
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: we have and how close to each other. They are

926
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: like this whole Cincinnati Toronto back to back mandatory weeks

927
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: are stupid.

928
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: They are like, well, this came up because Ego, I think,

929
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: was flying to and from Europe in between two American

930
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: tournaments and that felt like, yeah, she's right, that's insane.

931
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: That schedule makes no sense. And she's either penalized by

932
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: the national team or she's penalized by the WTA, But

933
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: either way it's a lose lose And it's like the way,

934
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: the route in which these players have to take to

935
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: get from one way together makes absolutely no sense. I mean,

936
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: you know me, I would tear up the entire calendar.

937
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think, yeah they need to. Okay, passive passive,

938
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: passive Pasivo. Is Pagola at her peak performance. No, I

939
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: think she can win a Slam. I think after what

940
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: she did at the US Open, she can look at

941
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: herself in the bear and go ooh yeah, because when

942
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: you get to a final, you go, oh, if I

943
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: can get to another final, I know I can win

944
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: that tournament.

945
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

946
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: I think against many, many, many other players in the draw.

947
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: That was Jessica Polo's match. She played a good match,

948
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: and I.

949
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: Think the only thing that really stopped her from winning

950
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: that was maybe this the thought of can I win it?

951
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean subconscious arena saga?

952
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lorena, something like a ceiling is higher

953
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: than most people, but against almost anybody. Listen, Jess Pogola

954
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: wins that slam last year.

955
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: It's Coca.

956
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, oh with yes, because she has a great

957
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: record against Coco. Though, Let's not forget it, but let's

958
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: do a deeper dive into Coco serve? Did Rutick rework it? Also?

959
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: Can she change her forehand grip? Can anyone at that

960
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: level change their grip? Thanks? And best? Do you wait? Yes?

961
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: You can absolutely change your grip. You can ask Caitlin.

962
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: Yes, at the level that I'm playing at, you can

963
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: change your grip you have.

964
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: You can change your grip slightly. It does take time.

965
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: You can absolutely change your serve, There's no question about it.

966
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: I think she needs to change the grip a little

967
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: on the serve. I think that's half the problem.

968
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: Do you think it is? You pronated? I wrote it down.

969
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: I wrote this down the other day because I didn't

970
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: want to forget. If you have a certain grip you're

971
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: It's amazing how you as a tennis player knows what

972
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: your where your racket face is as you're about to

973
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: hit a ball, right, So when you know your grip

974
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: is and it's it can be completely subconcios. It's most

975
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: of the time very subconscious. When you go to hit that,

976
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: you go, oh, my grip's going to do this, So

977
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: I need to do that with my body to get

978
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: the result I want. Right, So with me, I didn't

979
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: have a super I didn't have a Western grip. I

980
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: had like a I don't even know, like content not continental, but.

981
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: I had like a very late semi Yeah, you.

982
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Probably no better than me. I'm terrible with the grips,

983
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: but I was like like the names. But of course

984
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: I knew I didn't have a grip that allowed me

985
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: to get a lot of spin on my forehand. I

986
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: tended to use my body too much because I had

987
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: quite a straight arm on my forehand. Like I've been

988
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: given shit with my forehand technique through the years. But

989
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: it's like like Lisa Raymond, my old doubles partner, she

990
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: had such strong like forearms she could like use her

991
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: top spin on her forehand, so easily, and she could

992
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: flick it and flick a lob and flick across court

993
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: forehand and then she could whack it down the line.

994
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: Me I was a little bit like, oh, I had

995
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: to take this big swing, and because I knew that

996
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: I didn't have spin on my forehand, I tried to

997
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: use my body. So it's like it's all this the

998
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: chicken before the egg thing, right, So I think she

999
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: knows course of her grip, she has to sort of

1000
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: fall away. It's like it all goes together.

1001
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Right.

1002
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: When you have a technique that's wrong, your body adjusts

1003
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: to try and get the result you want. And that's

1004
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: part of the problem with her serve. So she falls

1005
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: down with her left eye, her body opens up to

1006
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: her her elbow is too low, which I think could

1007
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: help her. So if she got her elbowup a little

1008
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: bit high and changed the grip a little bit, she'd

1009
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: be like, Oh, I don't need to fall down like

1010
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: this because I can pronate better on my serf. But

1011
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things. So to answer your question, yes,

1012
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: you can change it, and it will be better if

1013
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: she does.

1014
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 3: And I think she's still young.

1015
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, such that, like we saw with a Rena Soblenka,

1016
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: who kind of played through a different technique change.

1017
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: I mean Thomas.

1018
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: Musergat hit by a car and was hidden fourhands from

1019
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: a wheelchair on the Santa Scuot, Like, you can do it,

1020
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: anything is possible.

1021
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: It's just will change her serf and won the Austrai

1022
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: Open because of it. Really, yes, absolutely, and it wasn't

1023
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: a dramatic change, but it was a change and I

1024
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: saw it immediately. She got a ball toss further behind

1025
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: her head, she started hitting kickserves because she also the

1026
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: year before she won the Austrain Open, I was caught

1027
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: side doing a match in new Haven, Connecticut and Haven,

1028
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: Connecticut and she double folded like twenty times in that

1029
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: match and I was like, oh my god. And then

1030
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: at the Autrain Open she changed her swing a little bit,

1031
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: she changed her ball toss, and god knows guess what

1032
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: she did. She won the Australian Open that year and

1033
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: she had a very good second serve that was not

1034
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: going to break down previously not the case. So you can.

1035
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: And she was thirty at the time, so don't tell

1036
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: me you can't change it, all right, John Doe is

1037
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: my beloved Meddi going downhill. I feel like he might

1038
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: retire from the sports soon. Great US Open coverage, Thank you, John. No,

1039
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going downhill. I think that he

1040
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: just happens to have come across two unbelievable players of

1041
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: the next generation in our craz and Sinner, because if

1042
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't lose to Sinner likelihood he gets to the

1043
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: final of the US Open.

1044
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: And he was in the final of the Australian Open.

1045
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: That's right, so I mean, and he was up two

1046
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: sets to love, So let's calm the farm. Don't worry.

1047
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Meddi's going to be fine.

1048
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: Also, like a lot of his players who's been around

1049
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: for a minute, like their period of adjustment when somebody

1050
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: knew with a new game, their highs and lows, you know,

1051
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: like we just come to expect, like, oh, well, Maddie

1052
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: wants now, so he's going to be in every final.

1053
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: It's like, no, they have.

1054
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: Tullis And if he'd had a better schedule in Australia,

1055
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: maybe he would have won this straight and open. The

1056
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: dude was up two sets of love and he ran

1057
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: out of gas. The guy played sixty five million hours

1058
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: of tennis in Australia and most of it passed two am. Yeah, okay,

1059
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: so that did not happen. No, mate, he's not gone anywhere. Okay,

1060
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: maybe someday. Do players get paid for Davis Cup and

1061
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: Billy Jean King Cup games? Yes, they do. They get

1062
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: paid by the ITF, and this year's money for the

1063
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: Billy Jean King Cup is quite significant because they've got

1064
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: great sponsors now. So yes, the players do get paid

1065
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: by the ITF and by their federations. Some pay the

1066
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 2: some pay from the federations, like Tennis Australia does because

1067
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: we have quite a lot of money, as does the USTA.

1068
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other smaller countries that don't have the money,

1069
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: like a you know, Kazakhstan. Kazakstan actually they probably had

1070
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: a lot of Bulgaria. Yeah, Indonesia. They're not going to

1071
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: be paying their players probably, so okay. And last question

1072
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: from some maybe someday again, if Monicas sell Us hadn't

1073
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: been stabbed, how many more Grand Slams which simply have won?

1074
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: Not forty kline forty. I was there that day. It

1075
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: was a sad.

1076
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: We have a very long piece about this in the

1077
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: current issue of Racket, written by Joannett Howard, the only woman,

1078
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the only reporter to have interviewed Monica before, during, and

1079
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: after in The Times. I encourage you to read it.

1080
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: It won't answer the question about how many slams, but

1081
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: everyone's accurate assessment is plenty.

1082
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Speaker 2: What I can tell you being so close to Stephie

1083
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: and being around and being in the same age group

1084
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: as Monica, she would have won a lot and it

1085
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: took away one of the greatest rivalries in tennis with

1086
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: Steffie and Monica. Steffie was, you know, sort of like

1087
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: the eager Sabalanca situation. You know, Steffie was so good

1088
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: on all surfaces. As his ego, She's won of years Open.

1089
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: You know, Sabalanca is a little bit up and down

1090
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: on clay and things like that, but you know Sabalanc

1091
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: Steffie was so good on grass, I'm on fast coughed,

1092
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: and Monica was just so dominant on clay. And they

1093
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: had one of the greatest French Open finals in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety two.

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Speaker 1: I was there.

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Speaker 2: It was two of the greatest competitors I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen Monica keep going,

1098
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: and I think arguably she would have won well over

1099
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: fifteen grand slams in her career. But also, you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the things you also have to remember is

1101
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Speaker 2: that you don't know what someone's also going to go

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Speaker 2: through in their life. Now, she could have done all that,

1103
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: she could have also got injured a year later. She

1104
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: could have had a met Look at Naomi Osaka. I mean,

1105
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: look like Naomi was going to win fifteen grand slams

1106
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: herself and then you know she has a little bit

1107
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: of a mental you know, breakdown and can't handle the

1108
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: stress and the power, the press and the you know,

1109
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: the pressure. So you don't know. So it's kind of

1110
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Speaker 2: like a dumb question in a way because we don't

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00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: know what the future would have held. But I tell

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Speaker 2: you what it would have been. The one thing I

1113
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: can guarantee you is it took away literally one of

1114
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: the greatest rivalries in tennis. So for that, it was

1115
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Speaker 2: a really bad day, all right, Caitline, I think we

1116
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Speaker 2: have covered a lot today.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait until next week. What questions on

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Speaker 1: the daying Twitter transom may come across.

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Speaker 2: And I wish we could take it to three because

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Speaker 2: they're just nicer.

1121
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but threat nobody's on threads, all right.

1122
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Speaker 2: I gotta go listen. I just want you to know

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Speaker 2: I fell down my stairs the other day. I did.

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00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: I had my little you know, your little pets that

1125
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: you wear with your nikes and shit, and I have

1126
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: these wood stairs that go down. I've now just guaranteed,

1127
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: I've just bought some stuff to put on the stairs

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00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: because I'm like that old brown now. But I'm not

1129
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: kidding you. I stare a bit. It so bad, and

1130
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: I had like satin pants on, and when I hit

1131
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: the wood, it propelled me down the stairs so fast

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00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: that my neighbors, who never hear anything in my apartment

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Speaker 2: go At twelve thirty, my neighbor and Maddy says to

1134
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: her husband, Jeremy, did you hear that Renee just fall

1135
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: down the stairs? Literally they knew, and Jeremy's like, nah,

1136
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: she's fine, thanks Jeremy. But anyway, yeah, I really, I

1137
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Speaker 2: really really did a number on that.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, assuming Renee is in one piece, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you away you next week, hopefully that fall down the stairs.

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Speaker 3: Thanks next week. They b