1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: I think I would have pil Alonzo in front of 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: him right now if you. 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Want to what, I want to know why, because this 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: is a good discussion. 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 3: Hey, you can vote for All Stars now, So if 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: you had a sick first two months, you're gonna get 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: a lot of attention starting right about now. Yeah, it's 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: already June All Star Game and week and all that is. 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: In a month, we'll be there, by the way, We'll 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: give you a lot more details when we get closer 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: to it. Let's play off Jim Boden's article on his 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 3: early MLB All Star team picks for the American League 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: and the National League. We can unveil the American League 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: for Todd Father first, if that's cool, and go over 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: what he's bringing to the table here. 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 4: It is first base. 17 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: He's got Vladdie one, then Aronda and Torkolsen second base, Labor, 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: then Brandon Lao shortstop, mister Bobby wit Junior, then Jeremy 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: Panya and Jacob Wilson third base, Jose Ramirez, followed by 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: Bregman who's currently hurt Riley Green starting in left field, 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: Stephen Kwan behind him. He's got Trent Grisham in center field. 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: With Julio Rodriguez and Byron Buxton behind him, Aaron Judge 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 3: in right, and then Cal Riley and Logan o'happy for 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: your catchers, and we didn't forget about DH. I can 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: mention DH. So we had hold on him on the 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: nationalague side, Rapiel Devers and Ryan O'Hearn for DH. Todd Father, 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: you've seen a lot of Trent Grisham. Do you think 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: he's the guy? 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I do. I do think he is. I think this 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: is the year he's come along. 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 5: He's playing a lot more, he's getting the opportunity to 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 5: be the everyday center fielder. His power numbers are up, 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 5: his defense has gotten even better, even still as a 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 5: Gold Glover, and he's played every He's pretty much hitting 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: every spot in the lineup, and he's not afraid to 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 5: hit you know, ninth, first, whatever it is. He's been 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 5: solid all year round, and he's been a really good 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 5: a really good plus for this Yankee team. I mean, 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 5: when you look at this lineup top to bottom, you know, 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 5: going into this year, Oh, everybody's like Trent Grisham, okay, whatever, 41 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 5: but he has come along strong here and he's hitting 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 5: the ball with a lot of power too. 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: As well. 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 6: Kratz, do you agree, No, I think this is the 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 6: year that Buston Buxton gets his start. He's already I 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 6: think he's been a one All Star game, He's been healthy. 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 6: I think he's a guy. I think they're trending in 48 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 6: different directions. Trent Grison's gonna get a lot of And 49 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 6: that's why I like about Bowden's article is the fact 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 6: that he understands where the fan votes are gonna come 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 6: from and how the fans are going to vote the 52 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 6: starters in. I think Buxton's been having a better year 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 6: and will continue to have a better year on a team. 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 6: It's almost like the way his season is going is 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 6: the way the Twins season is going. Shocker, shocker. You 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 6: have a big time star in center field and the 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 6: team goes by that. 58 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: But I think I think it's Buckston. I think buckstonill 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 2: end up getting it. Yeah. 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: The biggest challenge for Buxton is can he stay healthy 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: for the next six I'm not even joking about it. 62 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: It's just real something that's plagued him throughout his career. 63 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: Can he get himself to July healthy? 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 6: And I even think he believes that. I think he 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 6: even believes that because if you believe you're as good 66 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 6: as you are, and I think everybody thinks Buxton is 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 6: this elite superstar, you don't sign the contract that he signed. 68 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 6: I mean, maybe I'm way off. He signed an eight year, 69 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 6: one hundred some million dollar contract, which is huge money, 70 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 6: but he's a two hundred million dollar player. But I 71 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 6: think he believes it's really hard to stay on the field. 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 6: By the way he plays. This man is all over 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 6: the field, and I don't mean just like running all 74 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 6: over the field. He is slamming up against the wall, 75 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 6: laying on the warning track, diving for balls in center, 76 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 6: left and right center. Like he understands the game is 77 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 6: tough to stay healthy. That's why he signed the contract, 78 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 6: and I think this is the year that he becomes 79 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 6: the he's a starter in the center field for the 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 6: American League. 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: I'm with you on that one. I'go Buxton won. He's 82 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: close with Grisham on a lot of offensive stats. 83 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: Grisham's got an edge, but it's close. 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: He's obviously got a significant base running edge. Buckston's beast 85 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: on the basis even this year, like he's not super aggressive, 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: but he's casually gotten ten stolen bags. 87 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: That's not Grisham's game. 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, I think when you add that up, he's 89 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: got a little edge even on defense. I would get 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: bucks in the edge over Grisham. Grisham's fantastic, right, But 91 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: when you go bust In over Grisham for. 92 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 6: D hands down, hands down, and that's that's saying a 93 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 6: lot because Grisham's a gold Glover like it. I don't 94 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 6: know how to paint the picture for Byron Buckston, but 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 6: if you're not a Twins fan, you're missing out on 96 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 6: watching this guy play at the at the level that. 97 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: He plays at. 98 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 6: You're talking about a guy that, again healthy is a 99 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 6: gold Glove slash Platinum Glove winner year in and year out, 100 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 6: but he just hasn't stayed healthy to accrue those numbers exactly. 101 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got the edge and out of a average 102 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: and some metrics too. So not just eye test there, Let's. 103 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 4: Get some pictures. Pick your al starter. 104 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 3: So this is who Jim Bowden has, Trek Scougel, Chris 105 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: Bubach having an awesome year, Gartt Crochet, Max Fried Nadi, 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: Valdi Hunter Brown, Carlos Rodon, Shane Smith, Andres Munos, Carlos Estevez, 107 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: Josh hater John Durant. 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: Obviously, if you're watching this after the fact. 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: And we mentioned anyone in the ale, and then when 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 3: we get to the NL that you think shouldn't be 111 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: on there or you think there's someone missing, then comment below. 112 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: But for the case of this exercise, Todd Father, is 113 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,119 Speaker 3: it obvious to start Trek Scugel or do you think 114 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: Boonie and the decision might look over to Max Freed 115 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 3: and say thanks for signing with the World Series team 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: from last year, I get to pick you. 117 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: You made the right decision. 118 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's obvious. 119 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 5: But oh man, this is tough because I'm biased as 120 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 5: all this stuff when it comes out. Man, I'm taking 121 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 5: my guys for sure. A lot of lefties on there. 122 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 5: But I do think schoobl deserves it. 123 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: I do. 124 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 5: I think he's a really really good picture. And then 125 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 5: you know, maybe you go with Max and Rodin right 126 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 5: after that. But there has been some really a good 127 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 5: plothora of left handed pitchers starting pitchers. Garret Crochet, who 128 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 5: we talked about as well. I don't think he could 129 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 5: really go wrong. But Tarik has been or Erk whatever. 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 5: I'm losing his name here, Sorry, he's been. 131 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: He's been. 132 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, Sorry, I just had a little bubble there. 133 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 5: He's the guy I would say, he's the guy I 134 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 5: just started. Man, he's been doing it for two years 135 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 5: now and it's been really fantastic. 136 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 6: I know who Boonie's not choosing. He's not going Garrett Crochet. 137 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 6: That would That's an easy way of saying, I don't 138 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 6: want to be in New York anymore. I chose a 139 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 6: Red Sox to start the All Star Game. I really 140 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 6: think if all things stay exactly the same, there's gonna 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 6: be some dudes that are missing out on starting for 142 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 6: the American League, like they are gonna make the All 143 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 6: Star team. I get it in other years. Even Shane 144 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 6: Smith is having from the White Sox, it's having an 145 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 6: incredible year in his rookie campaign, and he's might not 146 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 6: even get in the game based on the other starters 147 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 6: that are out there with Rodon and what he's doing, Crochet, 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 6: all the guys that Todd just said. I do think 149 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 6: it's Scoobale, and I think Scooble's advantage that he has 150 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 6: over the other guys. He just wanted to say young 151 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 6: he led his team to the playoffs, last year's and 152 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 6: he is not only continued what he was doing, but 153 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 6: he stepped it up. 154 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: He doesn't like guys on base I think his whip. 155 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 6: Is under point eight, a point eight whip, like he doesn't. 156 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 6: He's just he's dominating right now, and I think he's 157 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 6: he has got he's got that starting nod locked up 158 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 6: as of today. 159 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: You know, the only move that would make Boonie even 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: more hated for a decision, Hunter Brown. 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You can see some 204 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: pros and cons with the offensive numbers for both guys. 205 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: Pete's got Moore pop, Freddy's the better glove. Brendan Donovan. 206 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: I think Leeds in war for second basement. He's been 207 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: awesome this year for Saint Louis. Than Bryce Terrang behind him, 208 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: Lindor starting shortstop. I don't think there's much question there 209 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: than Ellie and Trey Manny Machado at third, than Austin 210 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: Riley behind him. Look at rookie James Wood and rookie 211 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: Kyle Stowers in left field. He's got Wood in front 212 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: of Stours, Crow Armstrong of course in center field, and 213 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 3: O'Neil Kruz deserves it behind him, Kyle Tucker and Wright 214 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: Corbyn Carroll, who's coming on really strong, and you could 215 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: make a case if you're looking at numbers for those 216 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: two right now, that Carol could. 217 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: Make a case for going above KT. 218 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: And then Fernando Tatis Junior right behind them, Will Smith 219 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 3: starting catcher, he's like five hundred with runners in scoring position. 220 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: And then Hunter Goodman because the Rocky's got to have 221 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: somebody Kratz anything you like, don't like here, I would. 222 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 6: Take Terrang over Brandon Donovan, but I get it. Brendan 223 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 6: Donovan's got you know, he's got a high batting average, 224 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 6: but Terrang is actually beating him in a lot of 225 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 6: other a lot of war categories. So I'm also a 226 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 6: Brewers apologist, So I love Bryce Terrang. He's a shortstop 227 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 6: playing second base. And I would almost say what Matt 228 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 6: Chapman's doing in San Francisco while he's batting averages way behind, 229 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 6: way behind Manny Machado's actually a more valuable player on 230 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 6: a team that, in my opinion, needs him more. I 231 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 6: think Matt Chapman should be in the discussion over Austin 232 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 6: Riley at third base. Those are the two that I 233 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 6: feel like Matt Chapman needs to get recognition for what 234 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 6: he's doing there, and the fact that that team isn't 235 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 6: what they are, that pitching staff isn't what they are, 236 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 6: because they're gonna They're gonna throw a pitcher on the 237 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 6: on the All Star Game and they need him at 238 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 6: third base. 239 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 5: Okay, Pete Alonzo, Freddie Freeman over there. That's a battle 240 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 5: that's gonna probably go on until you know, the All 241 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 5: Star Game comes along. I think Peter Alonzo's right there 242 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 5: with him. I think he's having a fantastic year. Freddie 243 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 5: Fraeman doing what he does best, even after an injury, 244 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 5: but I think I would have Peter Alonzo in front 245 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 5: of him right now if you want. 246 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 6: To truth why. I want to know why, because it's 247 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 6: a good discussion. 248 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: I I'm not. 249 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 5: I don't have the exactly just from what I'm seeing 250 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 5: from Pete Alonzo, especially from last year to this year. 251 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 5: I know it's not about last year's numbers, but what 252 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 5: he's been dealt with and the crap he's done off 253 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 5: the field, and people be like, well it doesn't really matter, Well, 254 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 5: this dude has been put through the wringer with trying 255 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 5: to get signed and still coming back and putting up 256 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 5: the numbers. He's doing his averages up, his power still there, 257 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 5: and he's doing it with Sodo in the helm too 258 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 5: as well. He's basically in hitting wise, I think he's 259 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 5: carrying the team. 260 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 6: Freddy has a ops plus of one ninety eight. He 261 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 6: is batting three seventy right now, three seventy. 262 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: M. 263 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a big edge on offense here, and 264 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: he's a better defender. He's the only case that Todd 265 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: Father can make. Pete Alonzo two hundred and twenty seven 266 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: abs Freddy's at what one? 267 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: Didn't you miss a little hair at time? 268 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: That's the only case is the volume game, right, I mean, 269 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: Pete's obviously driven in more runs if you're looking at 270 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: more of the classic stats. But yeah, Pete's got more pop. 271 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 4: Here's the thing. 272 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: I'm from the area, so I can say what I want, 273 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: and so is Todd Father. 274 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: Dodger fans are cray. They're gonna vote more. They just are. 275 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: It's a voting war. He's gonna vote more. 276 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: I was thinking, well, that's said. 277 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 6: I'm gonna call out in New York Mets fans because 278 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 6: they didn't like them before, because I called the Mets 279 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 6: a third place team. If you don't get Pete Alonso 280 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 6: into the All Star Game. You haven't shown up like 281 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 6: Dodgers fans. 282 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: He's getting in. 283 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: He's just not starting because Freddy is going to win 284 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: the starting vote. 285 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 4: It is a world of votes. 286 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: Now. 287 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: They're not going to dominate in every category. 288 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: But the Dodgers are the world's team and Freddy is 289 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: a superstar and they love him worldwide, the worldwide Dodger fans. 290 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: I think they're gonna have the edge with the clicks. 291 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: But then Pete go ahead. 292 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 5: And Pete did say when we ask him about the 293 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 5: home run derby, he says, I gotta see if I 294 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 5: make the All Stars first. 295 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: So he didn't say he was not going to do it. 296 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: He's going to be there. He's going to be there. 297 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: That's obvious. It's the it's just the starting No, it's 298 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: just a fun thing, all right. 299 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: Lastly, uh, the dh is Otani and then Schwarber makes sense. 300 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: Pitchers Paul Skens, Zach Wheeler, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Chris Sale, Logan Webb, 301 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: Jesus Lozardo, Robbie Ray Mackenzie, Gore, Hunter Green, Kodai Sanga, 302 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: Robert Suarez, Edwin Diaz again, We're not going over you know, 303 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: the nitpick of who should be on, who should be off. 304 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: I'm just going to the cream of the crop right 305 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: now for this exercise. 306 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: Who's starting? 307 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler? Wow? 308 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: Who should be starting? Or who will be starting? 309 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 4: He can get me both. 310 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: Well, Well, who's the manager? 311 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: As we know, Dave Roberts. Yeah, we talked about this 312 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 5: Aaron Boone. On one side, Roberts is Yamamoto. Right now, 313 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 5: he's having a fantastic gear. Who should start? I think 314 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 5: same thing, Christy. I love Wheeler, you can't go wrong 315 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 5: with him, but you got to understand too, Now who's managing? 316 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 5: Who's gonna get the upper hand? And I'm not saying 317 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 5: he shouldn't start, but it's really close to me right now, 318 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 5: and I think Yamamoto will get the nod if he 319 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 5: keeps going the way he is. 320 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 6: I don't think he will be able to pitch in 321 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 6: the in the All Star Game the Dodgers. The Dodgers 322 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 6: don't allow these guys to pitch extra Why would they 323 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 6: let him get an extra start that's not in the playoffs. 324 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go on a limb and say maybe the 325 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: Dodgers don't even let him maybe he's like, maybe Dave 326 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 6: Roberts will play a little cat and mouse game. He'd 327 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 6: be like, I'm not gonna let one of the teams 328 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 6: that we're gonna play against not have a starter start 329 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 6: an extra start. So you know what, wheel Er, go 330 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 6: for it. Maybe we'll tire you out for the rest 331 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 6: of the for the for the stretch run of the season. 332 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: Here doesn't Yamamoto do the weekend because he's a once 333 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: a week guy. He's I think, I mean, as of 334 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: right now, he's Fridays. But they can easily be like, oh, 335 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, we're giving him one more so it'll get 336 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: pushed to Saturday. And then once you're on, is it 337 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: Saturday or Sunday? 338 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: You're off? 339 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: Is it Sunday for Sunday? 340 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: Sure you're off. So they'll they'll figure it out. I 341 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: agree with you, he should be starting. I don't know 342 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: if they'll let. 343 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Him do it. 344 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: I mean, he's the guy. If he goes down right now, 345 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: there's trouble. 346 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: Do you think he's having a better season than Paul Skeen's. 347 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, but Paul Skean started last year, and 348 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: I do think it's not like an MVP or Cy 349 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: young you can switch it up, so Phelix. Skeen's got 350 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: his moment last year, and if Yamamoto can pitch, he 351 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: should get his moment. It makes sense this year. And 352 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 3: if not, I do think has Wheeler ever done it? 353 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: Has he started? 354 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: I don't know. I gotta look. 355 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, okay, but I mean yes, there are 356 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 3: potential cards that get put in play where Skeen's might 357 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: start it. Think about it. Schemes need something to get 358 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: motivated for. I mean every time he pitches, it's like 359 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: one nothing two to one team season has been over since. 360 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: The first few weeks of the year. 361 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: It's tough sledding for a guy that seems super competitive, 362 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 3: so something for him to look forward to. He's definitely 363 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 3: got a shot. I mean, numbers wise, he's right there. 364 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: And he's given you length to this year, which is impressive. 365 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: And he started the year right away versus last year 366 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: and he was called up about a month into the season. Anyway, 367 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: fun debate. We'll do more of this, of course, We've 368 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: got some time with all star rosters. But now you 369 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: can vote, so thanks for checking this out comment below 370 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 3: if you're watching it later on. I'm looking at some 371 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: responses in here, Michael said, Joe Ryan's gotta be in there. 372 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 4: That's fair for American League. 373 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: Who do you I mean, I always play this game 374 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: when you when you give this in right, take someone off? 375 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: Who are you taking off? 376 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 6: I'm not taking anybody off. I'm putting I'm taking We 377 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 6: should talk about shortstop in the American League. Jeremy Pania. 378 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 6: Jeremy Pania is helping keep the Astros afloat right now 379 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 6: without Jordan Alvarez. He's got better numbers across the board 380 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 6: than Bobby Wit. I get I get it, Bobby WIT's 381 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 6: popularity vote maybe, but Jeremy paeney to deserves to be 382 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 6: the starter over Bobby Witt. 383 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby with so I'm one of the sure. 384 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 385 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: Do you guys only look at the first couple of 386 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 3: months of the season. Also keep in mind, if you're 387 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: doing that, you still have a month and a half 388 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 3: despair where Bobby can go nuts and be ahead of Penia. 389 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 3: But do you only look at like for Bobby, he's 390 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: not playing poorly, he's playing well, and he was the 391 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: second best player in the American League last year. 392 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: Does he get some Brownie points for that? In your mind? 393 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: For me, he does. 394 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: From just a yeah, no, no, you're a good time. 395 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 396 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 5: And that's why I said about Alonzo. I mean you 397 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 5: look at you know, you think about the gold glove 398 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: and I and I'm telling you right now people, the 399 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 5: guys that get it always deserve it. But if you 400 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 5: once you win one, it's like, all right, this is 401 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 5: a guy that's already on top of the list. You know, 402 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 5: he has to be have like a catastrophic you know, 403 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 5: year to not get it. And you see usually the 404 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: same guy's going over. Bobby Witt is Bobby Witty's top 405 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 5: five player in the Big leagues hitting wise, in my opinion. 406 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 5: So he's already up on the board whether he know, 407 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 5: unless again he falls off, which you know, he can 408 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 5: go average right now and still be the top third 409 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 5: baseman or excuse me, short stime. 410 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: I see a couple could tell Marte Hall outs that's fair. 411 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: He was what number three or four and MVP last year. 412 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: The problem is just missed time for him right now. 413 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 2: He's not front of mind. Scott. You need to check 414 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: out this rollback hoodie I have. 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That's a good way to put it. 433 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 7: Thanks to have a chance. 434 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 8: I mean they're not out of it, but they went 435 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 8: through a really bad stretch here. 436 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 7: They've had a lot of problems. 437 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 8: I just want to chip in real quick. Cotel Monte 438 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 8: missed four weeks with hamstring injury. He's hit ten homers 439 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 8: since he came off the il May second, and he's 440 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 8: got over one thousand oh ps one seventy nine ops 441 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 8: plus and just a little bit less war than you know, 442 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 8: Donovan or terrang in half as many games. He's still 443 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 8: the best second basement in the league. Just want to 444 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 8: say that that's fair. 445 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: He can win. 446 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 6: He can win, he can win July Player, the I 447 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 6: mean May Player of the Month. He's got time yet, 448 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 6: but right now he's not. He's not the All Star. 449 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 6: Doesn't mean he's not the best player, best second baseman 450 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 6: in the league. Nobody, nobody's arguing. 451 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 7: That right I hadn't chip in. Listen, that was a 452 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 7: great conversation you guys were having. 453 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. 454 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: I like that. 455 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: Hey, Katell obviously has been amazing when he's been on 456 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: the field for them, and Corbyn Carl's had a big 457 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: bounce back year for the team. The pitching's been a 458 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 3: hot mess. The mess continue with Corbyn Burns put on 459 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: the I L So I'll ask it again. 460 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 4: Are the Diamondbacks. 461 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 8: Okay, they're going to have to really pull it something 462 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 8: out of there, you know what to you know, get 463 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 8: over and pass this. Corbyn Burns injury. We don't know 464 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 8: yet if his injury is going to result in surgery 465 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 8: or just a month or two on the Il there 466 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 8: probably will tell us Thursday or Friday. He's getting a 467 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 8: second opinion with doctor Neil la Tresh. And you know, 468 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 8: he said it never felt anything like that before. He 469 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 8: said he felt tightness. He said he didn't feel a pop. 470 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 8: Tory Lavello said that the MRI results were not inconclusive. 471 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 8: I don't know what exactly that means. I guess it 472 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 8: wasn't inconclusive because people were trying to say that some 473 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 8: certain reports came out. So I think in the case 474 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 8: of Corbyn Burns, we're just gonna have to wait and 475 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 8: see my best case scenario as he misses, you know, 476 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 8: a month, I think, because once you're down for a 477 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 8: week or two, as you guys know, then you have 478 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 8: a ramp up period. If he's down for two or 479 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 8: three weeks, then it's six to eight weeks for him 480 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 8: to come back. So they're going to have to bridge 481 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 8: this gap with Ryan Nelson and a Dwarter Rodriguez who's 482 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 8: just coming off the IL. And it's going to be 483 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 8: tough because, as you said, their pitching has been a 484 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 8: hot mess all year. It's certainly not going to be 485 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 8: easy to get better or improve in that area. 486 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 7: With Corbyn Burns going on the injured list. 487 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 6: A name that a lot of non Diamondbacks people don't 488 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 6: know is Brent Strom. Does Brent Strom deserve an apology 489 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 6: because he got blamed for I think the third worst era, 490 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 6: the third most runs given up by a pitching staff 491 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 6: in Major League Baseball and he got fired. Is it 492 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 6: just how this team has been constructed? And maybe not 493 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 6: necessarily the pitching coach who was considered one of the 494 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 6: better pitching coaches and essentially helped them get to the 495 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 6: World Series by the changes that the pitchers made in 496 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 6: that NLCS against the Phillies. 497 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 8: I certainly feel that him being the fall guy was unfair. 498 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 8: It was a roster construction issue. Also, some of the 499 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 8: pitchers that he was working with perhaps were resistant to 500 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 8: what he was saying, and one of those I think 501 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 8: included Zach Gallen, who's struggled even worse this year. On 502 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 8: the new pitching coach, Brian Kaplan. Now, I've never worked 503 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 8: at that level in the major leagues. I've been an 504 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 8: analyst for a team, but it's very different than actually 505 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 8: working with the guys every day and their bullpens and 506 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 8: their game prep. So it's hard for me to evaluate 507 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 8: just how much influence the pitching coaches have. I think 508 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 8: at the end of the day, you need good pitchers 509 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 8: that are figuring things out mostly on their own, with 510 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 8: the guidance of the pitching coaches. But you know, you 511 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 8: guys have probably a better feel for just how much 512 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 8: influence they actually have. Maybe the top flight best in 513 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 8: the business can help fix a few guys. But I 514 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 8: don't think every guy is going to mesh with every coach, right, 515 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 8: So in this case, I think it's really on the players, 516 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 8: not on the coaches. And yes, I think Brent Strom 517 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 8: got kind of a raw deal last year. 518 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 5: Let's stay on this a little bit. Zach Allen really 519 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 5: still a good pitcher. He's been incredible over the years. 520 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 5: Can trade deadline coming up? You know, with all the 521 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 5: problems that are going on, can you see a guy 522 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 5: like that be moved? Merrill Kelly coming up on a 523 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 5: contract year? I mean, can you see a trade with 524 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 5: any of these guys? 525 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 7: Oh, anything's possible. Everything's on the table. 526 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 8: I mean, if the Diamondbacks are sellers, certainly they have 527 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 8: to consider it. Mike Hazen's mo in the past has 528 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 8: been to really let it wait out. He doesn't believe 529 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 8: in trying to force these issues now, and he doesn't 530 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 8: think a lot of the conversations are easy to have 531 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 8: at this stage of the season. 532 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 7: Now. You know, Aj Preller may disagree, right, he pulled. 533 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 8: Off some early stuff last year, But I think that's 534 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 8: the exception, not the rule. You know, if you're talking 535 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 8: about more significant impact moves, generally they're going to happen, 536 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 8: and you know, around the early part of July to 537 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 8: the end of July that's usually. 538 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 7: When it happens. 539 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 8: So they need to see how things shake out for 540 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 8: the next month. The other thing is if they're in 541 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 8: that middle zone where they're still kind of in it 542 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 8: and they're not sellers, but they're not in a strong 543 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 8: enough position to be strong buyers, then maybe the calculus 544 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 8: of well, do I want to weigh the draft pick 545 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 8: value that I get from giving Zach Allen the qualifying 546 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 8: offer and having him sign elsewhere? Is that worth more 547 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 8: than what I can get returned. It just depends really 548 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 8: on the market. Pitching market is probably not real strong 549 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 8: and deep this year, so my guess is that they 550 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 8: could get quite a bit for them. They're just not 551 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 8: quite there yet. With Zach in particular. You know, I 552 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 8: think for me, his issues actually date back to the 553 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 8: second half of twenty three. You know, prior to twenty 554 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 8: twenty two, he was usually three and a half walks 555 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 8: per nine type of guy, and then from twenty two 556 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 8: All Star Break to twenty three All Star Break he 557 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 8: was the best pitcher in baseball. But starting in the 558 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 8: second half of twenty three, his fastball started to get 559 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 8: knocked around a little bit, and subsequently, by August September, 560 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 8: he started to get chased out of the zone a bit, 561 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 8: and that trend has continued. There's been a lot of breakdown, 562 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 8: a lot of analysis on the shape of his fastball 563 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 8: where he's. 564 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 7: Trying to put it. 565 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 8: I think he was getting a lot of swing and 566 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 8: miss and soft contact at the top of the zone 567 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 8: previously with his fastball, and it just doesn't happen anymore. 568 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 7: It gets banged around, and when it. 569 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 8: Does from these eyeballs, he starts nibbling and it gets 570 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 8: kind of tough to watch. 571 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: You know. 572 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 8: Once he gets banged around a bit, next thing, you know, 573 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 8: here comes. You know, he goes from one to three 574 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 8: to one, or he just starts, you know, falling behind 575 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 8: on guys quickly and starts issuing walks. He's issued the 576 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 8: most walks of anybody in the National League this year. 577 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 8: So last night he had a good game. He went 578 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 8: twenty one to twenty seven first pitch strikes. He also 579 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 8: had like a seventy three percent strike percentage. But the 580 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 8: Rays were helping him out. They were chasing big time 581 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 8: at pitches, you know, just. 582 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 7: Off or out of the zone. 583 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 8: I don't know why the Braves had such an aggressive 584 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 8: approach against the guy that's been struggling to keep walks 585 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 8: off the board, but that's the way it went last night. 586 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 8: So hopefully that's a turnaround game for him. Dbacks are 587 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 8: certainly going to need it if they're going to stay 588 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 8: in contention. 589 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: Let's say it continues to go and they just kind 590 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: of are middling. 591 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: The death toll for an owner is when you start 592 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 6: spending money and your team doesn't improve. Now last year, 593 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 6: I think they went up by six or seven wins 594 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 6: last year but didn't make the playoffs. If this year 595 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 6: continues the way it goes, I get it. Injuries, Corbyn burns, 596 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 6: all those things. Is there a chance Tory Levello's job 597 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 6: is at stake because I know there's three teams that 598 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 6: would love to have him, and maybe even Baltimore would 599 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 6: love to have him because they actually want to win 600 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 6: and he's not looking to go to a rebuild. 601 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 8: Very difficult to evaluate that in that I mean, first 602 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 8: of all, there is a big, I guess ground swell 603 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 8: coming up from the fan base. A lot of people 604 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 8: are pushing to replace Levello. I don't think personally think 605 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 8: the issues are primarily his fault. They have struggled on 606 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 8: defense this year and focus on defense, and so some 607 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 8: of that can be tied to, you know, the manager 608 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 8: and his coaches keeping the players moving in the right 609 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 8: direction there, but they're still playing hard for him. He's 610 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 8: not lost that clubhouse. These are still primarily you know, 611 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 8: run prevention issues and pitching issues, and he doesn't choose 612 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 8: the pitchers they get. He and Mike Cayson are very close. 613 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 8: And Mike Casen went on air and took full responsibility 614 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 8: for the issues with the bullpen and the bullpen construction 615 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 8: and even defended Tori's you know, selection and usage of 616 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 8: his bullpen, and he put the onus on himself the 617 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 8: general manager, for not giving him the right tools or 618 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 8: enough depth to withstand a couple of injuries. So will 619 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 8: the owner I mean goes back to the owner. Will 620 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 8: the owner lose patience. In the past, Ken Kendrick has 621 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 8: had a quick trigger, but in the last you know, 622 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 8: nine years, he's been very patient. He's really changed in 623 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 8: that regard. I would be surprised if Tory Leavello was 624 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 8: let go at. 625 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 7: The end of this year in season or at the 626 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 7: end of this year. 627 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 8: Now, if that carried over again into twenty twenty six 628 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 8: and they got off to a slow start in his 629 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 8: you know, lame duck year because he signed to the 630 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 8: end of twenty six, then that's a different story. But 631 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 8: my guess, if I was a betting man, I would 632 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 8: say that he survives the season and into twenty six. 633 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: All Right, who wins an MVP? First, Corbyn Carroll or 634 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 2: ca Tell Marte. 635 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 7: I'm going to go with Corbyn Carroll. 636 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 6: Because he's made the changes, or because he stays healthy. 637 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 7: I think because he stays healthy. 638 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: There. 639 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 8: You know, Catel's had these hamstring issues before, even though 640 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 8: the team gave him a pretty big extension, I think 641 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 8: eventually he's going to have to be moved off second base. 642 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 8: Whether that's into a dh Roll or first base, I'm 643 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 8: not really sure, but I think that durability is going 644 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 8: to be an impediment for Katel to be able to 645 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 8: win an MVP. I mean, you got to play one 646 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 8: hundred and fifty games generally, unless you just put up 647 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 8: such crazy numbers in less than that. So I think 648 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 8: that Corbyn Carroll has a better chance to do that 649 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 8: and stay healthy. 650 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: Corbyn Carrol's much younger too, so he's got more years 651 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: to try and rack up an MVP. Marte's gotten closer though, right, 652 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: or what was Carol came in third year? 653 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: Came in third, top three twice? Right? 654 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 7: Yeah he was. 655 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 8: I think it was top five in nineteen and third 656 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 8: last year? 657 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 4: Okay, what was Carol his rookie year? Did he get 658 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 4: placed high? 659 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 8: Or now I'd have to double check. I do you 660 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 8: not remember? Off the top of my head. 661 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 4: I like to pop quiz people. Jack, you're the best. 662 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. That was great. 663 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 3: Make sure everyone want to check out Snake's territory. He 664 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: was fifth his rookie year. Yeah, there you go. 665 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: Hey, look at the nice graphics on this show. 666 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate you, Jack, And on your way out here, 667 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 3: we'll show everyone what this show looks like. 668 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: You can catch it wherever you get your pods. 669 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: And digital shows on YouTube, apples, Spotify, etc. And we 670 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: show clips sometimes from that show. Here it's Snake's territory.