WEBVTT - American Dream & Sanctuary w/ Poorna Jagannathan 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on these are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:27.120 Done done. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.920 Yay, that's messed up. In sv podcast, I'm Lie as 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:32.920 a Trigger. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.080 And I'm Kara Klank and you guys know by now 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:41.120 it's sv recaps, true crime, interviews, etc. But at the 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.440 top of the episode we just talk about whatever. As 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.840 of this recording, as of this release date of this episode, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.080 I'll be driving cross country with my family in a car, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.640 and I hope you're all praying for me, because I 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.320 really don't know how this is going to go. Everyone's like, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.280 this is going to be such a core memory for 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.200 your kids. They're gonna love it. I'm like, yeah, I'm 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.240 just like really hoping it's not them being like another 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.560 day in the car. It's like, we can't change the plan. Like, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.120 once we get in the car and start, we have 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.520 to get to the other side. So that's what is 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.839 what is the path? The path is like Vegas, which 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.360 is fun. I'm excited. Three of my college friends are 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.280 going to be there. You know, I love Vegas. Uh. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:30.320 Then Grand Canyon Arches National Park, which is in Utah, Denver, Cheyenne. Uh, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:36.720 what's it called? The faces? Mount Rushmore? Mount Rushmore, which 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.720 I've never seen either is jared. And then across to 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.960 Chicago and we'll be in Chicago for like three nights, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:48.160 which will be fun. And then West Virginia, New Jersey. Face. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.920 You're going from Chicago West Virginia, No fucking way, oh 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.240 stopping stopping. There's a couple of cities in between them. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:54.720 We're stopping Indye for like one night. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:55.320 You know. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.160 Yeah, we're stopping in Indie. Break it up. Like We're 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.520 also going to like Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I guess I should 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.280 say all the city, so if anybody knows any of 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.720 these more random places. I am staying in Sioux Falls. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.280 I am staying in Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I thought about the 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.799 Wisconsin Dells. I thought about it, although my friends that 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.560 went there last all came back with COVID, so I 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.040 wasn't sure if it was the right move, but it 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.360 like worked better for our route to go. We're going 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.320 to just stop and like, look, it's like a college 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.480 town and on a river, so I thought we'll just 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:30.680 stop there. And then Chicago, Indie, West Virginia, New Jersey, 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:32.960 and then onto Connecticut and them Verre Month. So it's 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.560 going to be and then are you renting a car? 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.120 Are you driving back home? You're driving our own car. Oh, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.120 then you're driving back. Jared's driving it back. I'm flying 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.680 back with the kids because the kids will be late 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.639 for school, like they're always late for school because of this, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:46.799 So we've got to like we can't do like a 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.359 road trip back, and also they can't be in the 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.079 car for like ten hour days. So he's going to 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.359 do like the hot like the quick way back like 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.959 three or four days with his parents. He's going to 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.640 pick him back up in West Virginia and he's going 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.519 to go have a little I thought it would just 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.560 be him and his dad like the movie Nebraska, but 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.680 his mom wants to come to so yeah, he's gonna 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.639 have some fun. Damn does he have goals on the 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.280 journey back. He's in the midst of planning that. He's 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.960 been very busy, but he's yeah, he's trying to figure 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.040 out like because the way back, like the best way 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.880 to go is just I think I think it's either 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.079 called root seven year route eighty. I don't. You don't 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.560 have to message me about it. It's just one major 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.320 route that goes all the way across the country and 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.880 I've done it before and it's just like super boring. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.880 It's like Pennsylvania, Nebraska, Like it's so boring until you 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.840 get to like Wyoming and then it gets kind of pretty, 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.119 but it's very boring. So I don't know if they're 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.280 going to try to do a little bit more of 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.360 an exciting route, but you. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.200 Know, yeah, I'm I've never seen the Grand Canyon. It's 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.680 still one of my hopes and dreams. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.840 It's really I've been there, but Jared hasn't, and the 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.920 kids obviously, so it's and I went in twenty two 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:52.400 thousand and three. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.360 This isn't my joke, but someone's like, before they fill 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.720 it up with axe body spray? 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:02.760 Is that from something from Overton in a movie comic. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.040 I don't know. I know it's not from my own brain, 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.280 but that is that is so wait, I'm googling to 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:10.160 see if I can find it. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.200 Yeah, I really want to see the Grand Canyon. I 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.400 don't have any travel plans at all, going to a 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.960 wedding on and in New Year's but that's all. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.200 I guess. Oh, but you can always do a last 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.200 minute thang, right, Yeah, you never know what can what 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.080 can happen? Never, that joke is unfortunately not popping up. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:37.560 I guess maybe it's my brain. No, it's great. That's 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.279 a great fucking joke. I'd love to see the Grand 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.400 Canyon before they fill it up with xbodi's. I mean, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.640 with the way this country is going, who fucking knows. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.800 I've actually like, usually my phone gives me news because 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.080 that's like life. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.599 But I think it knows. If it just keeps feeding me. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.040 My heated rivalry boys, I'll stay on and so they 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.640 don't really fuck around anymore. They keep it really one note. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:01.200 Oh. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.760 I also like someone wrote this like, wow, my personal 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.880 brand is so strong because the amount of people who 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.320 sent me the credit card thing. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.880 Did you see it? Like card skin, I've been sending 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.240 it to me to send to you. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:13.880 And I. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.559 I wrote when I posted about it, was like fifty 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.320 people sent it. I would say hundreds, like I've been 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:21.520 sent that so many times. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:22.960 I'm not going to do it because I'm such a 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.640 Delta girl and I need everyone to note I have 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:29.240 my Delta card. Your relationship with Delta is longer than 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.760 your relationship with he did realy. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.040 So, But I also I still hope that one day 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.760 I can work with one of them, and I just 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:41.599 have to hold some sort of semblance of like calm, Yeah, you. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.000 Can't whip out a credit card that has like a 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.640 half naked one of those guys. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.880 Yeah, Like I feel like an audition might come through 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.200 one day and I just need to But I, oh, 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.080 this is like old now we're in the time machine. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.360 But I fucking loved Hudson William's speech for his Canada 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.559 Screen Award whatever when, And I've never watched just speech 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.960 multiple times. I just thought it was like so perfect 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.920 and great, thank cute, and of the fun speeches. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.480 I like, Ronnie Cheng had a great fuck AI speech. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.400 Well that's com that's the commencement and commencement. Yeah oh 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.280 this was an acceptance speech. Yeah but yeah, yeah, well 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:19.520 I'm glad Ronnie. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.120 Did that because like those fucking losers that were pro A, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.040 it's like, what the fuck what did you say? It's 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.680 like mediocre people becoming even dumber, like the untalented becoming. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:28.119 Worse and worse. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.480 Yeah, yeah, truly, it's like such an embarrassment and he's like, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:33.080 you can't. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.960 Write an email. It was really great. I started getting 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.560 I don't know when, maybe like a few months ago, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.320 I somehow started. I somehow got the People Magazine app 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.400 on my phone. I think, I don't know why. I 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.039 think I thought it would be fun to do those 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.800 crosswords because they're so easy, like once in a while. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.200 But now I get alerts from them, and I think 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.080 I need to take them off. There's like they're about 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.760 people sometimes I've never even heard of. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.440 Of course, the fact that you have People Magazine alerts 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.200 as psychotic care, I know it's getting your life together. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.240 How many more alerts do you need? Get it off? 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.600 Do it right now? Do read any of them? Go 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.160 into the settings, Go into the settings. I don't read 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.000 any of them, but it'll be like it'll even have VET. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:18.800 I don't have any notifications except texts. It'll just be 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.960 like about people and then that's email, random true crime stuff. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:24.640 I think maybe that's why I originally got on it. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.440 Maybe I got on it for like the Coburger trial 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.680 or something. But like it'll be like, sure, there's a 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.680 Britney Spears, there's a tailor Swift and then it'll be 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:36.560 like Steve Kaufman. I'm like, who, Like, it'll just be 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.000 like car drivers. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.720 I mean, this isn't a unique take in any capacity. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.720 But Dua Lipa and her guy column Callum, I mean, c. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.200 You're against her. I'm not against her in any way. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.800 She is so hot. She looked so hot at her wedding. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.600 She's also so smart, yes, and conscious of people and 0:07:58.680 --> 0:07:59.840 hardworking and fun. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.000 I'm like obsessed with her. I think she's wonderful. I've 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.960 been listening to her for almost a decade. I love 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.040 Dua Lipa. The meat cute that I heard about how 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.560 they met feels like it was made up by a publicist. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.680 I don't think they would make it up, Like why not? 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.400 Why can't we have something magical? 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.960 I just feel like Doua Lipa is not eating at 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.760 a restaurant alone in la in the year twenty twenty four. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.800 I just think that that's too She's it could have 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:25.400 been a hotel. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.320 No, she's on the road. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.000 Maybe there was security further back. I don't know. Well, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.600 oh my god, this is humiliating. I do not follow 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:33.120 these people. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.679 But Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney had like a weird 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.079 bicycle date and were hanging out in Times Square and 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.599 no one really noticed them and she had sunglasses on 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.120 it and I and like a hoodie and she was 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.360 like posing next to her billboards and basically Scooter bron posts. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.319 Again I do not follow him, but it said. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.199 When you're lying in bed and your girlfriend says she's 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.240 never been to Times Square, like that seems more fake 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.199 to me then dua and this guy reading, well, just okay, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.319 just so we are clear, and for the listeners that 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.160 might not know what we're talking about. What I was told, well, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.400 let me do it, since you're gonna you feel negative 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:12.600 about it, and okay, okay. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.400 So basically. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.120 They're they're like, I think he probably tried to flirt 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.320 with her, and he's and they realized that they were 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.240 reading the same book, and then they realized that they 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.600 were at the same chapter end. And then he said, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.640 look at us, we're on the same page. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.040 I like that, and they met, both of them. Him, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.800 I could see dining alone, okay, Labi Him, I could 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.640 see dining alone at an La restaurant. We need another restaurant. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.240 I can see it. I cannot see. I think she's 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.319 too famous. I don't think she would be alone. I 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.520 don't think that she would like this random guy comes 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.160 up to her and goes, oh my gosh, let's talk 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.199 about books a drama. It's literally the beginning of the drama. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:58.160 Random hot is hell tall man. He's not some random weirdo. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.400 He's like a hunk because she's five eight and wears 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.839 heels and he's still like I think eight inches taller 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.240 than No. No, no, he is a hunk. But like 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.920 he at the time, I mean, I don't I didn't 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.959 know about him as an actor. Really, I have no 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.959 idea she married him. Yeah, and I saw like the 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.120 cover of the movie that he's in with like Elizabeth 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.959 Olsen Eternity or whatever. But like he's not quite in 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:22.920 what I'm saying is like in the US. He's like 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.600 it could just be any other actor like at that point, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.480 and I don't know. I just I don't buy. I'm 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.520 glad Casey's at least a little bit with me. It's 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.800 it's a beautiful story. I'm sure parts of it are true. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.920 It just feels like the whole thing was like people 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.719 Magazine will love this and Kara will actually click on 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.240 this alert get it. I don't think is like that. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.720 She's just not like that. No, but a publicist could 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.160 be like that. I feel like I think a publicist 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.920 could be like, Okay, here's what we're gonna like, here's 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.920 like the story I'm giving them for your like how 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.640 you met, and it's like, okay, whatever. I don't know, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.960 I don't know. I think Dua Liep was really cool 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.280 and awesome. I just had a story. Story gave me 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.920 a little bit of a hm. I love looking at 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.960 photos of them together. I thought she looked she your wedding. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:06.240 I hope we get. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.400 Photos of their sicily wedding. I mean my phone actually, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.040 Dua Lipa is now a big part of my phone. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:17.440 Wait, this was this was this was just their British wedding, 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.280 and they're also gonna get married Italy. Well this was 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.720 like city Hall, This is like oh London. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:23.200 That and then. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.760 A cute little blazer. I didn't know it was, Yes Scaparelli. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.120 I just love photos of them. I just like, I 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.920 love the way they like each other and they're I mean, 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.880 she's just like the coolest and I've seen her live, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.040 you know, I've been a fan, but I love Yeah, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:46.440 you know, it's easy for me to get involved. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.000 Yeah. She was one of the first people I saw 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.920 a billboard for in LA where there would be a 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.959 billboard up but it would say sold out, and I 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.360 was like, what is the point of this billboard? Like, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.839 you know, what the point of the billing? I know, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.760 I know, and like but at the time, I was like, well, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.560 I would go see do Alipa, but it's sold out, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.959 so you know, but somebody went up there and had 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.280 to take the time, like you know, scraping it up 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.120 there with the glue and it's like you can't get 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.520 tickets to this. But they are extremely hot, this couple. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.880 I love that they're both like British. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.840 And her podcast, I mean she interviews authors and stuff, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:22.880 like she really is cool. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.360 She just put out her concert on YouTube for free. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.079 I didn't do Alipa had a podcast, yeah about books. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.360 She interviews authors and I think she gave a speech 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.880 at like the Book or something Prize or SGP was 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.120 you know, as a judge this year whatever. There's like 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.080 now I'm getting all these book things, so yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.000 I don't know. Well, I finished our friend Alison Libey's 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.160 book If you want to if you want to go 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.400 to the Patren and listen to us talk to her 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:50.240 about the book. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.319 Yeah. I was crying at the end. I was like 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:56.760 truly crying, laughing out loud, crying. I'm like, I know, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.520 I'm very excited for her. I started it. I'm just 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:05.440 so impressed. There's just so like I'm just impressed. Yeah, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.800 I'm excited to talk to her about it because for 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.800 the Patreon, because I do think taking I do think 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.240 taking on a book is so Yes, that's what I mean. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.400 For years of her writing this goddamn book, and it's 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.800 such a nightmare process, I feel. And I actually I 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.839 sat it at my coffee shop for three hours to 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.560 finish it, and everyone was kind of interested. And since 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.360 I want her to get on some lists, I might 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.280 just pre order a bunch for the youth that work 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:33.200 at my coffee shop. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:34.600 Oh that's a great idea. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.079 Yeah, I might be pre ordered. Yeah, I might just 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:44.720 pre order a few more for the youth. I ran 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.760 into a girl from Soul Cycle and she's like, wow, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.800 I'm so bored now, you know summer break, and I 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.719 go are you? And she's a junior my close Soul 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.880 Cycle friends in college. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:14:01.640 Correct, well, only one more year? Huge for your friend. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.720 Huge you're gonna be in her graduation. Mark my fucking words, 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.319 Mark my words will be like I can't record that 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:09.800 day I have NYU graduation. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.640 Well, Julia just went to two of her you know, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.720 it's so interesting like groups of friends and when people 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.199 start having kids because. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.600 I think Julia she's a few years older than. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.000 Me, whatever, but because her friends were religious or whatnot, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.000 Like she's going to high school graduation. Yeah, she's been 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.280 to a few high school graduations this month. Those are 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:30.800 her trips. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.560 I mean like it's like, I mean, I am old 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.480 enough to be the mom of some of the moms 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.560 in Oscar's class. Yeah, Like there's a mom in Oscar's class. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.880 She is the age that he. I'm like, I could 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.200 have had you and that would be my grandchild, you know, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.760 like it's just but it's my kid. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.360 Wait, how was his birthday? And the Dodgers game? And 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:52.320 then we'll get started. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.320 Oh so we went to Notts. It was fun. It's 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:03.920 very Peanuts. Are you like a big Peanuts Snoopy woodstock Yeah? Always, 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.000 oh yeah Snoopy. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:05.360 I knew. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:06.600 I was like, I was like, you either have a 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.320 Snoopy or a Woodsto. But I'm not upset. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.920 I put Snoopies for everyone, and I missed the ice 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.360 cream bars. I don't think they make them anymore. But oh, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:14.720 the Snoopy ice. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.720 Cream Yeah, back of the day, I didn't. I kind 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.400 of thought Knots was like independent. It's owned by six Flags, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.400 so it's not but their whole thing, you know how 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.320 like six Flags whole thing is like Looney Tunes. Knots 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.120 whole thing is Peanuts, like that's what they got the 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.000 rights too. I just googled. Oh, I didn't know. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.600 I just googled Snoopy ice cream bars and there's a 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.240 miniature being sent sold on on Etsy. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.640 On Etsy, how did they get it to you? What 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.280 do you mean? Wait, it's an ice cream bar? Well yeah, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.600 it's like a replic It's like a little figurine. 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:46.880 Oh. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.520 I was like, they're selling you the ice cream bars. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:54.320 I'm sorry, I'm like, listen, my brain is not always 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.240 I can't assume that everyone knows about the miniature food 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.840 replica world on Etsy. Oh yeah. I was like, wait, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.080 they're gonna like send it in like freeze dried box. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.000 Like I've gotten ice cream in the mail before, but 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.320 from Etsy. That seems weird. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.120 No, hold on, so I interrupted you so knots Very 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.040 Farm is owned by Snoopy. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.720 Yes, Snoopy is the king of Knots okay. And so 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.520 the kids met Snoopy. They got a little picture with them. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.960 There's like there was like a video up that was 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.640 like meet the characters, and it was like all these 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.560 kids lined up to meet Peppermint, to meet Marcie, and 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.880 Jared was like, kids were not lining up to meet Marcy. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:31.680 Come on. But it was fun. We went on some 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.560 rides and the food was gross. He had a great time. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.000 He had a blast. I ended up getting suckered into 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.360 buying them those hats that have like the long pieces 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.200 that hang down and at the bottom there are these 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.200 like pumps and it makes the ears go up. Do 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.440 you know what I mean? No, that's that's just making sense. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.800 Like the long they're like these long ears and they 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.400 have pumps on the bottom inside of the stuffy of 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.920 the hat that you pump them and the ears will 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.040 flop like go up and down. And so come on, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.880 it's a birth of course. And Rosie got regular Snoopy 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.359 and Oscary got Girl Snoopy. They just sell one with 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.080 a bow. I was like, who is this like, there's 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.240 not a girl snoopy character, I don't think, but there 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.560 is anots and we had a fun time. And then 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.200 I took them to their first Dodgers game on Sunday, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.639 but that was not even for his birthday. It was 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.679 just for fun. And I really like I brought coloring 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.240 shit for Oscar. I was like, he is not gonna 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.640 want to do this. I took them by myself because 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.280 Jared had to work, but with friends like that, I 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.359 was just the only parent of my children and we 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.440 had friends with us and Oscar, I swear to god, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.480 he sat there and he enjoyed, Like most of the game, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.680 he wasn't really watching the sports. I think he was 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.080 just kind of looking around and loving the music stings 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.600 and like the stuff that would come up on the screens, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.359 and but he was not being like normally he would 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:47.760 be like, what are we doing here? I want to 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.240 go home. I don't like this if he's not engaged. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.679 And he was just like sort of into the pageantry 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:57.040 of the baseball I think because oh yeah, he ate 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.840 a Dodger dog in truly like the craziest way. He 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.560 started in the middle, like he's so insane. When I 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.080 had dog. Rosie had a piece of pizza. She didn't 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.800 love it, but you know, we did what we could. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.240 I had a beer. It was fun, you know what 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.440 I ran. Some of our friends were there for his 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:20.000 birthday too, Will It was so bunch people were at 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:25.639 the same game. But yeah, it was fun and we 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.280 stayed it to the end and they got to run 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.280 the bases. But I was getting very SVU vibes because 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.199 so my friend who is a mom on the baseball 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.640 team with Rosie, she goes she's like a Dodger lady. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.199 She like was giving me all the tips. She gave 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.600 me my clear bags to use. She was like giving 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.120 me all the dogs. And you know, you can bring 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.720 food to baseball stadiums. Oh I didn't know about it. Yeah, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:46.560 baseball stadiums. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.040 You can bring cooler like you can maybe not cooler, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.520 but you can bring like people bring spaghetti's and bags. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.880 I remember I came once, people like had boxes of pizzas. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.160 Like you can bring food into basis. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.879 Oh well, I was getting all the like lowdown, like 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.000 you can't bring a metal sun green bottle, Like your 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.040 water bottles can be plastic, but they have to be empty. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:08.320 Blah blah, blah. So she was telling me, oh, yeah, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:09.680 you get to go down and like you'll run the 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.159 bases with them. So we're in line, and they're like 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.040 adults to the left, kids to the right. They're separating us. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.040 They're like, only the kids are running really holocausty yes, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.399 And I'm like, and I'm like, shit, if you were like, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.600 it's not like they were even checking to make sure 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.560 every adult had a kid. If you were just like 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.600 a creep or a kidnapper, you could like just get 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.280 in line. And then at the end, the kids all 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.399 just funnel out to this little area and all the 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.399 parents are going Sarah like James, like everyone's like yelling 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.320 their kids's names because you're fully separated from your kids 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.920 for like five minutes. And I was like, fine, I 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.639 had eyes on Oscar and like Rosie was with her friends, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.080 Like I knew that they were gonna be okay. But 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:54.920 I was like, plus, my kids are not the ones 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.040 you want to try to grab their mouthy. But like, 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.440 I just was like, this is weird that people are separated. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.359 And when I told the mom, she goes, they let 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.119 us do it with them, And I was like, I 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.080 wonder what happened for hers it was Mother's Day. I 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.639 wonder if they let the moms go down and lit 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.440 a Mother's Day because the other days when it's just kids, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.960 the kids had to run alone. They had fun. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.639 Also, lol that we have not mentioned the Knicks forers nothing. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.480 This podcast is so funny to me, What a cultural moment. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.959 I love me. I'm cheering for the Knicks. 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.520 But tickets are going for forty grand eighty grand people 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.399 like the cheapest tickets I think are like five thousand dollars. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.880 My old boss when I was living my devil wears 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.800 proud of life, but I was wearing like clothes from 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.639 the gap. What like when I worked for like an 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.239 empty a Viacom executive for like Nickelodeon and stuff at 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.320 he had season tickets to the Knicks and he would 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.480 always I would always have to call all of his 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.000 friends and me like, do you want his tickets? Tonight 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.119 he can't go? Do you want his tickets? Do you 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:53.280 want a tickets? Like I had to get rid of 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.280 these tickets like every week if he'd be busy, and 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.640 he gave me the tickets once he said I could 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.119 take the tickets, and then the whole time I was 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.680 in the bathroom changing one of his flights, and we 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.480 were like behind one of the baskets, like it was 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.480 a fun they were fun seats, but I was like, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.800 what a piece of shit. I brought my friend with 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:15.359 me and she was like this is so exciting that 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:16.639 I was like, I'll be right back. He's just and 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.920 I was like on my BlackBerry in the bathroom trying 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.480 to call American Airlines and be like, oh no, and 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.880 he needs Actually he sits in a very specific seat, 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:27.960 like he had a very specific seat in first class 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.440 that he always wanted, and he would he didn't want 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.040 the captain's chair or whateverever. I don't know what if 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.879 that makes any sense to you, but there was like 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.040 something that he didn't want, and so I always had 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.120 to make sure that he was also on a certain 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.600 kind of plane because there were like certain planes where 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.399 he didn't want to be in first on that plane. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.200 And I know we have to move on Casey for 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.000 the I know it's a double episode, but listen, I 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.720 got into the snoopy ice cream thing and now I'm 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.760 in another place. Did you ever have from nineteen ninety 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.199 three vampires secret ice pops? 0:21:58.400 --> 0:21:58.440 No? 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.560 They look so good cherry water ice with a cherry 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:06.840 sauce center secret ice pot. I don't have any memory 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.960 of these, and it's good humor, but like this way cool. 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.120 The the look of it looks familiar, like I saw 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.280 it on a on an ice cream truck. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.040 But I never got it because I'm looking because I 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.760 remember Sonic, because I'm looking at this poster. I remember Mario, 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.719 I don't I remember the Ninja Turtle, the wrestling, the Batman, 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:27.400 the pushpike. 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.800 I don't remember these vampires, but they look good. I 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.600 love cherry also sold as vampires. Deadly secret is the 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.760 deadly secret that your teeth like turn black when you 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.520 eat this thing or the blood. 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.560 Of it all the great white shirt, that's what? Oh 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:45.479 my god, Calippo, listen. I yeah, well, let's get started now. 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:46.680 I'm like, I want ice cream. 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.280 I want ice cream so bad. All right, as usual, 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.879 you know, that's messed up. Live as all the links 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:58.720 that you need, our merch our promo codes, Lisa's tour dates, 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.719 and our Patreon which is patreon dot com slash. That's 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.159 messed up. We have a lot of fun stuff going 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.880 on on the Patreon. Everybody's doing it. Tommy's we'll see 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.080 you over there, but let's get started on today's episode. 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.200 All right, today we are doing a doubleheader. It is 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.920 American Dream and Sanctuary. They are the final two episodes 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.040 of season eighteen. Don't listen to what Hulu tells you. 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.399 They're telling you it's but it is episodes twenty and 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:31.480 twenty one of season eighteen. And these came out May 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:35.280 of twenty seventeen. So about you know, nine years ago, 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:40.080 almost exactly today, and we Okay. 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.560 Everything's only gotten worse, no, I know, And this is 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.640 graphic as fuck. This is a tough I know, it's 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.200 so the fucking opening of this episode is like so 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:53.520 tough and like truly this episode could air tomorrow night 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.439 on NBC. It's like nothing has changed. 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.680 But we open on a couple having a nice Manhattan 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.719 stroll walking their dog, talking about the weather, global warming, 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.960 a little dig about how there's no EPA anymore, because 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.240 you know, this episode came out about five months into 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.159 the nightmare of Trump being our president, Like for the 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:14.119 first time, they passed this restaurant called Samra and they 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:15.840 talk about, how, oh is this on our list? We've 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.359 been wanting to try it. Yeah, Modern Syrian cuisine, you know, 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.600 obviously talking in an expositional way to give us the 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:25.080 viewers information in a way that people would never talk. 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.720 But then there's another quick dig from this couple like 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.440 if we keep walking, we'll miss the news. And he's like, 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.240 maybe we're better off. And then he's like, come on, 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.720 it's a beautiful night. So this idyllic, little New Yorker 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:40.320 scene of like walking around the neighborhood. Then the camera 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:42.720 pushes into the door of the restaurant Samra and we 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.720 hear screaming noises. Nothing good is going on behind that door. 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.600 Cut to inside there's intruders and ski masks like beating 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.800 the shit out of the owner while other people are 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:57.280 tied up, crying, screaming. It's very violent and disturbing, cold open. 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.880 I always hate when the whole family gets attacked at once. Yes, 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.480 I would put that on my worst things. Yeah, Like 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.560 there's a more recent episode where they're on the they're 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.760 on the train with the machete machetty, and it's like why, 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.720 like just doing all these things and making family members 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.199 watch their family members get assaulted is like so awful. 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.280 So it just adds another layer to how awful the 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.439 crime is as it is. So I was like, sometimes 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.680 we just find a body, and sometimes we get this, 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.240 you know, like sometimes it's just like oops, that couple 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.920 would just be like, what's the dog trying to eat? Oh? No, 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.000 it's a hand, you know. But other times we see 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:39.160 the entire horrible violent crime on unfolding. And in this case, 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.880 there's these three intruders. They have guns. One calls them 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.679 like a slur for people of Arab descent. There are 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.000 two young girls and a mother is also tied up. 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:51.639 One guy, it feels like, is trying to get the 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.800 other two to chill out a little bit. But then 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:55.560 one of the guys always. 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.240 Always who are you committing crimes with? One of them 0:25:58.320 --> 0:25:59.800 is always going to take it too far, and then 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.800 you're gonna go what the fuck man? And it's like, well, 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.320 you got a person to like do a violent crime, 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:05.480 why are you trusting them? 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:05.960 Yeah? 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.400 Yeah, this, I mean, I'm thinking about farger, I'm thinking 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.040 about everything. Like it's just it's so weird. 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.160 This isn't a guy you've known since, This isn't your cousin. 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.080 This is like when we find out later how these 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.320 guys know each other too, You're like, wow, that you 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:20.240 got you thought these guys would chill out, Okay, So 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.560 one of the guys calls the one of the young 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.240 daughters a dirty Muslim bitch and then carries her off 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.240 to sexually assault her, and the chill one is like, 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.479 this isn't what we came here for, and the other 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.680 guy tells them to shut up and then starts to 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.800 assault the other daughter, and the mother is just sitting 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:40.280 there crying, tied up. It's fucking awful. And then we 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.720 cut to Live arriving at the scene and Finn is 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:48.240 giving her a breakdown of what's going on. Shahla Samra dead, 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.200 which I didn't realize one of them was going to 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.680 be murdered. She is has been raped and has a 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.680 skull fracture. The other sister, Layla, also sexually assaulted, but 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.520 will survive. The father, Kanan, is in critical condition blunt 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.000 force trauma and two stab wounds. And then the guy 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:09.160 interrupts them and introduces himself as Lieutenant Lopez, and well, well, well, 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:11.640 if it isn't Kurt as Vedo, friend of the Pod 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.760 and still our only guest to ever do our podcast 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.880 while driving a moving vehicle, what's up? Kurt shout out 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.760 and he's got still one of our hottest guests. Yeah, 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.520 fully in love with him. I'm obsessed with him and 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.479 I hope uh he works forever. Yeah, and we interviewed him, 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.080 if you don't remember, for the episode from season fifteen 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.399 called October Surprise where he plays a different character, and 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.119 that's the Anthony Weader episode essentially, And Lopez is a 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.400 lieutenant with the hate Crimes task for so that's why 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.080 he's there. But Benson knows his first name. She's like, oh, hey, 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:46.600 what's up. Like we assume that they kind of have 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.760 met each other at like I don't know, cop conferences 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.760 or something, and they're both lieutenants, so they probably have 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.720 to sort of work with each other. So he brings 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:55.920 them in to walk them through the scenes. I mean, 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.920 Rollins is just standing over Shalla's dead body and Ben's 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.000 says this feels more than a robbery gone bad. And 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.600 then Lopez brings them to a fridge that says Muslims 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.359 must die spray painted on it. So it Benson's like, 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.480 it's a hate crime and not shocking. I mean, this 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:17.960 is right. As there's the Muslim band on traveling that 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.560 Trump enacted, there's all kinds of anti Muslim rhetoric that 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.800 honestly had been already raging in New York since nine 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:30.119 to eleven and just continued and was obviously the flames 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.080 were fanned by Donald Trump. So then we're at the credits, 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.360 and now we're at the precinct and Live is going 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:40.840 over CCTV footage with Eyebrows aka Big Daddy Dodds, three 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.040 guys in ski masks, and they don't have much else 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:44.600 to go on, and that is like, one of my 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.560 major issues with this episode is I just don't ever 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.160 believe that, like, racist morons like this are smart enough 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.160 to not leave behind DNA, to not trigger an alarm, 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.360 or to not do something so deeply stupid even with 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.680 the assault, like is there no jizz? 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:00.600 Yeah? 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.600 Them like these guys, like these guys wore condoms and 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.200 then like didn't spill anything or leave a pube. Like 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.280 I just don't believe it with these morons, right, And 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.560 Eyebrows is like, oh my god, this kind of racism 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:16.000 and hate. It's twenty seventeen. He's shocked, And I'm like, sir, 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.120 if I could tell you what fresh hell would be 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.160 coming down the pike every single day it's nine years later, 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.000 and like I said, this episode could air tonight and 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.360 he can't believe that this is happening in New York 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.680 City and he wants everyone on it and hate crimes 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.400 is involved. But FBI wants the case and lives was like, no, 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.160 hell no, this is our case. So the background on 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.280 this family is that Kanan and Maya Sama immigrated legally 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.120 from Damascus. I love how they have to add in 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.280 legally as if they were If they were illegal, this 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.480 would be okay what they went through, you know, like, no, 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.720 they but they legally immigrated from Damascus twenty five years ago. 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.800 Their daughters were born in New York City, their two daughters. 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.560 They've been in business for fifteen years. They pay their taxes, 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:01.720 no financial troubles, no legal trouble, not even a parking ticket. 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.800 They're practicing Muslims, no connection to any radical groups. They're 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:10.400 basically the perfect American family. Live traffic cops, everybody go here, 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.720 go here, go here. There's hundreds of Muslim restaurants in 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.440 this city. Why did they pick this one? And then 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.520 she and Rollins are going to go talk to Maya 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:21.000 and Leila in the hospital. So outside the restaurant, Lopez 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.320 and CRIESI roll up and there's like a vigil in 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.160 front for the family, but then also a protest. These 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.360 two episodes have like massive budgets. There are so many 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:33.200 protest scenes. There are so many press conferences happening on stairs. 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.920 Like there's just a lot, a lot of extra people 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.040 in this episode. So they go talk to this guy 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.040 like a neighboring bodega. He's immediately very pissy with them. 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.000 He's like, what do you guys want my papers? And 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.600 they're kind of like, no, dude, we just like want 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.640 to know what's going on. And he goes the sammers 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.760 are good people. I'm sick over what happened to them. 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.000 And they're like anything unusual going on over there? And 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.800 the guy's like, oh, like are they terrorists increase He's 0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.920 like he's like, we're investigating a homicide, a sexual assault. 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.840 We got to ask questions like where I'm asking drugs, gambling, 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.520 anything criminal, Like this is a serious crime. We got 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.720 to check all the angles. And this guy he's like, 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.840 I'm just so sick of the harassment, Like he's this 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.040 guy is like he's being a dick to the cops 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.040 because this is like a trauma he's been living with 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.760 for a long time, like of people harassing him. He goes, 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.360 even the Hispanics hate us now, they blame us for 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.400 the raids and deportations. And he says, a month ago, 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.560 the Sammer's restaurant had their windows broken and Go Home 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.400 Muslims was graffitied on it. And He's like, did they 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.120 file a report? And he's like, no, they were too 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.920 scared to call the cops. And Maya said she wanted 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.280 to stay focused on the good in people. So now 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.600 we're at the hospital talking to Maya, and this actress 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:45.680 is Porna Jagonathan, and I personally recognize her from the 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.680 Night Of, which was a show I was obsessed with. 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.560 But she's also in Deli Boys and like a bunch 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:54.280 of other stuff that's on tues Now. She is working, 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.720 she's Boked to Blessed, and she's been in other law 0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.320 and orders. I think she's been in like all of 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.440 the franchises. So she's at the hospital talking to Benson. 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.600 She's crying how she opened the door for these intruders 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.080 because she thought maybe a customer had forgotten something like 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.120 when she heard the knock and she blames herself, like 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.440 I'm the one that opened the door. They muscled their 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.360 way in. They demanded to see their papers, ripped off 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.040 our hey jobs, and they sounded like New Yorkers. She 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:24.520 said they wanted money, and then one of them said 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.680 the girl is cute about Shaala, and then she shot 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:29.640 her eyes. But she says she could hear the sounds 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:31.400 and then it was quiet, and she said, I was 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.000 helpless in my own restaurant, like while her daughters were assaulted. 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.560 One of them, she said, didn't yell, he whispered. And 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.760 then a doctor interrupts with another horrible twist of many 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.120 to come in this episode. Her husband Kanan did not 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.959 make it. He was They were trying to save him 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.680 from these stab wounds and bump force trauma, but he 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.800 has passed and the doctor didn't even say anything. You 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.640 can just tell by Maya's face. So now Rollin's is 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.760 talking to Leila. She's obviously just told her about her 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:05.880 dad not making it, so Leyla's extremely traumatized. She tells 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.600 Rollins she remembered her rapist smelled like beer and tequila, 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.320 and she starts talking about her fiance Sayid, who flew 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.800 home to Damascus in December to see his sick dad 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.920 and he's been trying to come back but he can't 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.440 get in even though he has a green card again 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.280 Trumpiness and Rollins is like, oh, I can help you 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:23.840 get in touch with him, but it's like that's not 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.080 the issue. Rollins like, she's like, Saya, it is more 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.120 conservative than me implying this. Fuck too. It's like, fuck 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:33.000 this guy. Yeah, you get raped and you can't tell 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.320 your exactly It's like I don't yeah, fuck this guy, 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.480 which we've dealt before. We've dealt with this before. And 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.320 Sbu with the move with the episode night where the 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.719 girl doesn't tell that she's even been raped because her 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.880 brother will think she's impure and unable to be married off. Right, 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.720 and there's been honor killing episodes. Yes, I mean it's 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:52.720 it's a mess. Yeah. 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.640 Well, even or when they like go to someone where 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.800 it's like something from their past and the husband's there 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.600 and they have to be like, we're just asking questions. 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:03.440 Yeah, in the neighborhood, it's like we're just Jehovah's witnesses 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:07.800 wanting to spread the good news. Yeah, like a yeah, 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:08.839 victim of a crime. 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.279 But then you have to cover it up for other 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.439 people's comfort, or how other people are going to react 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:13.920 to your fucking trauma. 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.920 Yeah, it's terrible. It never ends and it's never like 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:24.000 the part, Like it's never the discussion. Yeah. Yeah, so 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.200 it's really gross. Yeah that like her being a victim 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.040 of her great sister's dead or dad's dead. She's been raped, 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.360 and now she's just to worry about how her husband's 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.960 going to react, Yeah, how to break it to him 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:42.919 instead of how he could support her. Right, So she goes, 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:44.640 I need to talk to my mom about how to 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.640 explain this to him, Like she has to like seek 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.840 out religious counsel to even address this with her fiance. 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:52.480 So now we're back at the restaurant and then is 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.000 explaining some shit to Careesy, like, well, the three perps 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.800 came in the front door, but there is one fresh 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.560 footprint in blood heading out the back door that doesn't 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.920 match the purp any of the purpse or the Samras. 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.920 So we're looking for a ghost and Finn goes a 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.440 ghost with a size ten shoe. So back at the precinct, 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.320 they're always time for jokes with Finn, you know what 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:21.279 I mean? Double homicidekickle it up. Yeah, yeah, so you 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.799 gotta get through the day. Yeah, But that he takes 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.000 us out to commercial with his little finn quip okay, 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.680 And then we're back and we're at the precinct and 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:30.439 again no one cell. 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.799 I forget the algorithms like Fiji stuff, because I wanted 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.400 to be like, you know, Iced Tea has been everywhere lately, 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:37.880 but I think he's just in my phone. 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.120 He's just it's just old clips. But I'm like, look, 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:42.960 I say things people all the time. I go, no, 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:44.680 but haven't you noticed that she's been kind of like 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.080 back in the back in the mix lately and they're 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.120 like no, and it's like, oh yeah, our algorithms are different, 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.480 like we're seeing different shit. But so okay. So back 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.920 at the precinct, they're basically like we got no skin cells, 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.799 no DNA, no semen. And I'm like, again, a bunch 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.320 of tequila drunk bigots are leaving no trace. I just 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.080 don't buy it. How I feel with the Scott Peterson 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.239 of it all. It's like you're telling me he's a 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.600 fucking idiot and there's not one bit of physical evidence, 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.080 not one scratch in the boat garage, Like I just yeah, 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.680 when these people are so dumb, it's hard to think 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:21.880 they're able to I mean, he didn't get away with it, 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.240 but like that, they're able to not leave anything behind 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:29.440 right right, I just don't buy it. And they're wasted 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.160 in this. Yes, they're not making any mistake. I mean, 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:34.759 like I could see these guys going to get a 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.440 drink right afterwards and bartender's being like, yeah, I saw 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:39.000 three guys come in and talk about how they just 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:43.280 robbed a restaurant and my shots, my Scott Peterson takes, 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:47.120 I think will haunt me for my lifetime. I think 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.400 it's like a little bit of a different situation too, 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.960 because of the body not being found or no, they 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.000 found the torso, but it was like in the lake 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:56.799 that he or the body of water that he said 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:58.200 he was going to be fishing in, and it's like 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.320 why would you dump the boy into the place you 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.560 say you're gonna be But then also why isn't there 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.920 any evidence of her on that boat. It's just like 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.360 I don't know, Yeah, this is what this is. 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.560 Like he's in jail, thank god, but it's just you know, 0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.840 it's the Casey Anthony defense, Like I'm sorry if you 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.640 can't prove it. Yeah, but the way he was acting 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.360 with the girlfriend and fleeing and all of that, like 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.840 so guilty. That's why I'm so confused when idiots. 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.359 Don't leave behind evidence. Yes, it's almost like they love. 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:32.640 That's how I'm connecting these Yes, yes, so eyebrows pipes 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.560 in like ba boom er uncle being like, what about 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.480 this Aryan nation thing I saw in the news, So 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.480 I guess Lopez explained that, like. 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.320 News, you have to studies, you have the data, you have, 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.600 you're the head of the cops here, Like, why it's not. 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.000 A hate crime unit. Fuck, I guess it's just because 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.080 the Aryan nation will like take credit for stuff that 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.000 they don't do. So apparently Lopez is like, yeah, they'll 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.080 just take credit for like heinous hate crimes. It's just 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.560 how they roll. It's not actually you know how you 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.440 were saying hole and roll a whole with a W 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.640 and hole without. I guess for me, that's roll rol 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.360 e and roll rol. You know, they're kind of like 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:07.880 they're they're interchangeable to me. 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.239 So we've just made it such a thing where it's 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.600 like you don't know the difference between your and your 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:16.360 and they're there and there, you stupid dumb bitch. 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.440 I handle I keep myself off if I do it 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.480 there the wrong for sure. But it's like, can we 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.560 not just chill out? Like it's not dating him again? 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.600 Use the wrong there, and it's like what if it 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.040 was running to catch a train but still wanted a text. 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.399 I just like, we've put so much pressure that you're 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.759 a fucking idiot if you don't use the right one. 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:35.720 And it's like, I think it's so so like hard. 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.719 I think it's also like kind of a unique thing 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.920 to English that there are words that have multiple meanings 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.759 that sound the same but are spelled differently. Like I 0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.239 don't really think I see that in other languages I've learned, 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.719 but I could be wrong. Let me know. I don't. 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.279 Also only have learned like three other languages, so I 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.560 don't know all the languages of the world. But you 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.040 don't get a lot of there there there bear, bear bear, 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.520 Like you know all these different ways to spell words 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.240 that they sound in the state. What is that called homophones? Okay, 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:10.520 so right as they're talking about the area nation, you know, 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.760 they probably have nothing to do with this. Finn walks 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.320 in with a tip, and it's the dog walking couple. 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.879 They must have seen something, and they say they saw 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.160 a guy run out from the alley of the restaurant 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.719 around ten forty five, and the girlfriend says he was white, 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.360 but the boyfriend's like, I don't know. He could have 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.160 been Arab or Hispanic or a dark haired guy from Greenwich, 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:33.040 Like it's really hard to say. He was five ten 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:36.560 five eleven, young twenties and he was running like hell. 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.719 And the guy goes, what's happening in this country is insane? 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.120 Like this is America, right, And I'm like, oh, buddy, Like, 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:43.719 if I told you what comes next, you would not 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.200 believe my ass. But for what happened before, yeah, like 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:51.560 what I don't Yeah, this guy looks like a man 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.160 of color. The guy who's doing the dog walking right, like, he, 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.120 to me, looks like a man of color. And he's like, like, 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.239 you don't believe that there's this kind of hey and 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.600 racism in America. Okay, that's I'm good. I'm glad that 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.440 you are like incredulous, but I think it's also it 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:08.920 was just dialed up right after Trump. People started just 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.439 saying whatever. And so liv goes to talk to Maya 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:15.680 and Layla about this bloody size ten footprint. So Maya goes, 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:17.160 I don't know what to tell you. I don't know 0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.840 who that would be. The only people that have keys 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:24.279 to the door are our family. And Laila goes and 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.880 Yusuf and Yusuf is Maya's brother, but she goes but 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.040 he doesn't have a key. He used to but not anymore. 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.960 And she's really trying to brush the USIF thing out 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:34.800 of the way. And Leila goes, but we need to 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.120 know who did this, And Maya goes, I will do 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.800 the talking for this family, do you understand me? And 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.279 I just feel so bad for Leila because even at 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.000 this moment where her father has passed away and she 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:50.800 has this fiance who is conservative, even when there's a 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.520 woman leading the family, the way that the family is 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.359 being led is clearly like one person speaks for everybody right, 0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.879 or like one person is in charge. So the mom 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.319 is like, don't talk, you know, which I feel sad 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.960 for Leila. She'd love to find out who attacked her, 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.880 you know, and lives like just talk to us, like, 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.480 does Yuseff have a key? And Maya just calmly is 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:16.120 like Yusef is not involved, and they're like, is he thin, 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.680 mid twenties, dark hair, I mean, that's truly, you're describing 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.479 a lot of people in New York. Leila goes yes, 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.040 and Maya looks soapissed and begs live not to arrest him. 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.800 So now they bust into this apartment looking for Usef. 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.760 The roommate is there, and he is, as every SVU 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.880 roommate has been for since the beginning of time, extremely 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.719 bothered by their presence and unhelpful. He's like, do you 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.560 have a warrant? Why are you here? And like They 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.080 basically find out that Yusef is on the run. He's 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.280 down the fire escape at chase ensues. He is quickly surrounded. 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.320 He goes, I don't know what happened at the restaurant, 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.680 and he says. They're like, well, then why did you run? 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:54.719 And he goes because I was afraid. I'm in the 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:59.040 country illegally, And the next twist, I'm gay. If I 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.040 get sent back to a refuge, can't they will kill me? 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.920 So done done, So this is why Maya is so 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:10.040 hasty to shut up all talk of yusif right. So 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.239 in cement room, bars rollins and crease. He are trying 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.399 to question yusif, but he won't talk to them at first, 0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.160 but then of course it takes like two more questions 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.400 and it all comes spilling out. He was there, He 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.719 saw it all happen, the whole attack. He wanted to 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.040 do something, but he was afraid, and he feels like 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.520 he let them all down. He tried to text nine 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.000 to one one, but nothing happened. I don't know why. 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:29.759 I think you can text nine one one. And then 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.279 he says he heard the sirens so he ran. He 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.839 can't believe they would suggest he was associated with these 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.560 three men. He was at the restaurant to do his chores, 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.040 collect the trash clean. He wasn't supposed to be there. 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.040 He usually does that stuff in the morning, but he 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.879 had plans on Saturday, so blah blah blah. He came 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.880 back into the back door at ten thirty, heard the screaming, 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.280 saw the men with the masks. He hid. He regrets 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.160 not grabbing a knife. He saw three men doing horrible 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:58.359 things to his nieces, and there were just two of them. 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:02.640 The casting is young and strange for this guy. Yeah, 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.800 he seems so young that those are his nieces. It 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:09.840 kind of confused me, but I. 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.160 Thought maybe he is like the younger baby brother and 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.000 he comes from the States to live with his older 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.600 sister because he'll be persecuted for his sexuality in his 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:17.720 country and whatever. 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.440 So I don't know, but no, I just didn't see it. 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.399 But yeah, this is a bummer to watch this happen 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:26.560 to you. 0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.400 And oh my god, I know. So that's like another 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:32.680 family member that witnessed this whole fucking trauma go down. 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.560 And he says, actually only two of them were really 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.440 doing most of it, and the other guy was just 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.560 standing there. And then he said he took off his 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.120 mask for a few seconds. Again like why why would 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:46.640 you do Why would that ever be a thing that 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.560 you would do? And she he goes, I think he 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.239 used to work for the restaurant. So now we're in 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.600 the fish bowl, Finn and Liver chatting. Finn can't believe 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.719 that this guy saw it all go down and then 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.440 ran and never even called his sister about it afterwards, 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:05.200 and lives like it's shame. It's fear if he reports 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.480 the crime, he'll be deported. So Maya arrives and begs 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.040 them not to call immigration, and livishs her like Yusuf 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.399 is not arrested, like, don't worry. She hugs her brother 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.279 and he's sorry for being so weak and not doing 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.440 anything and begs for forgiveness, and Maya's like, I love 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.359 you and I need you right now more than ever. 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:23.960 And so they ask, Maya, are there any employees that 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.640 you've had problems with? And she goes, not really, but 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.040 we did have to fire a bunch of employees recently 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.440 who were undocumented because we would get fined if they 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.960 like with these raids that are going on, right, So 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.480 we need a list of anyone you let go, and 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.279 maybe you've got a group photo, like a party, and 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.399 she goes, actually, I do. We have a party from 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.160 a couple of months ago that they had when Shalla 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:49.160 was accepted to Colombia. Like this episode just keeps twisting 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.480 the knife, like this poor girl who died the most 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:55.240 horrific death was also about to start her IVY League education, 0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.359 Like it's just so awful. So Yusuff identifies a guy 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.319 named Hector in the in the picture and goes, yeah, 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.160 that's the guy I think I saw take off his mask. 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:09.240 Maya's like that can't be We loved Hector we treated 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:12.319 him like family. This is impossible. So now we're at 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:16.200 Hector's apartment. The cops bust in on Hector's wife. Kristie 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.719 finds they really like don't even knock, they like bust in. 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.040 There's so many of them. There's two little kids that 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.120 they would know about. They would know that this guy 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.640 has two kids. They bust in. These two kids are 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:31.000 playing in a room. Hector's hot just a spoiler spoiler, 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.719 before the fire's hot. There's no sign of this hot man, 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.600 this hot purp Rollins keeps telling his wife, who is yelling. 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:40.920 She just keeps yelling, Please don't hurt my kids, Please 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.160 don't hurt my kids. She's freaking out. And I bet 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.160 she'd be a lot calmer if you guys like showed 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.400 a warrant or something or told her what was going on. 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.200 Just an idea. And she says she doesn't know where 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.880 Hector is or when she last spoke to him, and 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.919 Caristi goes, where is he Soli dad? He keeps calling 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.360 her Soli dad and it's so funny to me, and 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:04.359 Rowins threatens to call social services on her, and that's 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.960 when she's like, Hector is at Leo's. It's a new restaurant, 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.600 one hundred and twenty fifth, So they bust into Leo's, 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:12.800 which looks nice. I would try it, and it's a 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:17.400 whole scene CARIESI. They chase him down in the kitchen 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.680 and they rough him up for seemingly no reason. He's 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:22.600 speaking only Spanish, like he doesn't really resist and they're 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.720 still like throwing him around and he's saying in Spanish, 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.239 like what's going on. I don't understand. I'm not the guy. 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.000 I'm not the guy. So then in cement room bars 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.520 they toss him in a chair for the Finn treatment 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:38.480 and he admits he was angry when the Summers fired him, 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.839 and he's like, they still owe me money, and they 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:43.560 tell him that while a witness saw you take your 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:45.600 ski mask off and saw you there, and he's like, 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.000 I would never hurt the Samras, I didn't rape or 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.400 murder anyone. And then just as Hector is about to spill, 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.839 Rawins comes in to say interrogation's over his lawyers here, 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:59.239 and Hector has no idea he has a lawyer. That's 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.840 also another thing about the show, like maybe our lawyers 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.800 that listen can weigh in, like in the time it 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.680 took them to run this man from a restaurant to 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.160 the precinct and throw him in a chair and ask 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:13.759 him some questions. Literally, a pro bono lawyer has gotten simplication. 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.560 Now I feel I thought maybe his girlfriend got no, 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.520 no no. You find out she's a defense attorney named 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.520 Naomi Ziggler, and you know, she seems like a no 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.839 nonsense broad We've also seen her in the episodes mea 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.920 culpa and assumptions. But Benson is like, oh, the immigration 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:31.640 lawyers are really coming out of the woodwork, and I 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.839 don't think she necessarily always means in a good way, 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.200 Like a lot of them are trying to get cases 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.480 that they think will like the way they're framing this. 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:40.800 This case is super famous in the city. It's on 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:45.200 the cover of every paper. And so if she gets 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.239 word from anybody, I don't know how they hear about 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.560 this kind of stuff that like a Mexican immigrant has 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.560 been taken in for this. She's like, well, maybe I 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.279 can get some notoriety out of this, and also I'm 0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.799 sure she wants to do the right thing. But they 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:01.799 tell her, well, your clients is suspect and a hate 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.040 crime and She's like, shut it down, no more talking, 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:06.799 let me see him, and yeah, lives like, oh, all 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.120 these immigration layers are really popping out right now out 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.319 of the woodwork, and they need Yusef to help id 0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.120 hector in a lineup. So Yusuf and Maya show up 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.440 and they have some asks before they do the lineup, 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:18.399 and it is that Yusef can stay in the US 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.719 and that no one discloses his illegal status during this 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:22.920 entire process, and Benson's like, no one's going to hear 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.480 that from US. So Maya says they can't have Usef deported, 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.759 they will never see him again. And they also tell 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:32.360 them that Laylah's fiance finally got back to the States, 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.240 but Leila doesn't even want to see him. She's not herself. 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:37.640 And It's like, yeah, I think she's forty eight hours 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.080 out from one of the most horrific tragedies I've ever 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.960 seen on the show. So you know, maybe we can 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:48.120 give her a minute to adjust, And Benson's like, you're 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.080 gonna be fine. New York is a sanctuary city. No 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.239 one will know we're on your side, right So now 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.960 at the lineup, Yusef toot sweet immediately I d's Hector, 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.840 that's him, That's who I saw. I would say a 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:05.760 defense attorney might be able to throw that out based 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.799 on the fact that he's already spoken to his mother, 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:12.360 who was there when he picked him out of the lineup. 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.640 I don't know, it feels like the idea you could 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:18.360 throw it out, being like he worked at the restaurant, 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:21.840 he might recognize him from there or whatever. But Hector's 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.480 lawyer is begging for a deal, but no one is 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.520 biting unless he coughs up the other two perps and 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:31.160 they're like, well, Yusuf has to testify, and they offer 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.279 him protective custody and he declines, but Live wants to 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.320 give him in twenty four hour detail anyway, and Barba's like, 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:38.960 it would be better if it was a detective, and 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:42.040 so they taped Coreesy. So now back in cement roombars, 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.239 Hector's denying even being there, and Live tells him like, 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.080 we know you didn't mean to hurt the Samras, You're 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.400 a good guy. Tell us who raped and killed Shala, 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:55.240 who raped Laila, who killed Kannan? And he's still denying 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.560 that he was there. He says he was with takes 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.440 mask off like what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, it's like 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.840 this guy idd you like the jig is up, and 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:05.839 then he's like, nope, I was home with my wife 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.960 soladad and she will confirm, and it's like sure she will. 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.000 It's like, of course, you like the how is the 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:14.880 wife even ever really like a gray alibi? I don't know. 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.440 I feel like if they don't really care unless you 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.040 ordered pay per view and use your credit card. Live 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.319 arrests Hector for the rape and murder with a hate 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:25.720 crime enhancement. Now there are no forensics, they've gotten nothing, 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.279 but the Hector id to go on and Live is 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.640 saying what I've been saying. These are not sophisticated criminals. 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.239 They were not organized, and so we've got to get 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.560 something else, Like there's got to be something Eyebrows wants 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.200 Hector arraign to show the Muslim community the NYPD is 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:45.279 making progress, you know all that all Eyebrows or like 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:50.160 or Circumission, like all those guys ever want is like 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.560 the press to let like let it look like the 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.279 NYPD is doing the right thing or whatever. So it's 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.560 kind of annoying because you know, Bence, it's about solving 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:00.680 the crime and getting the real people. So at the 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:04.680 Samra's house, Layla, the rape victim, is serving her uncle 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.520 and Careesy tea, and the uncle starts to make a 0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.799 comment about her skirt before stopping her himself, and then 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.319 he goes, no, no, it's it's very it's very nice. 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.640 It's very fashionable. And they have this kind of like 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:20.200 tense moment and he says he needs cigarettes, and Leila's like, 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:22.520 you shouldn't smoke, and He's like, well, I shouldn't be 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:25.080 attracted to men either way. I'm going to the bodega 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:26.960 and I think that maybe is merch. I don't know. 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:32.000 Carrisy goes with and I shouldn't be attracted. 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:32.359 To men either way. 0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:34.799 I'm going to the bodega on a sweatshirt kind of fun. 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:39.719 But Careese is like, what was up with that skirt conversation? 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.719 I mean, Coursey's never like learned a thing I guess 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.520 about other cultures or how things work, and he goes, well, 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.839 Muslims believe in modesty and hiding the shape to stop 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:54.319 unwanted sexual advances, and like, was he fucking shaming her 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:57.040 when he has to deal with all this unfair shame? 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.680 Like what I feel? Like, what they're trying to do 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:02.520 in the episode is show like, even though he is 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:06.600 part of a marginalized community within his own community, he 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:12.600 still upholds these patriarchal it's like like beliefs and ways 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:15.560 of being that they've all upheld and how they've what 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:17.680 they've all grown up with. I think it's almost supposed 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.920 to be, like he caught himself and was like, oh wait, 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:22.680 never mind, No, it's a nice skirt. It's a nice skirt. 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:24.120 Like it's just he knows that when you see a 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.600 short skirt on a woman, you're supposed to be like 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.319 uh ah, Like that's how he's been taught his whole life. 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:30.719 I'm also like upset that they're making this girl who 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.480 was viciously attacked serve them, you know, like their tea. 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:40.160 But so he's explaining all this stuff about Muslims to 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.719 Careesi and they're walking through a massive protest on the 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.080 sidewalk for some reason, like most of the time protests 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:50.200 are happening at like government buildings or like in certain areas, 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.360 or it's like a walking protest. This is just a 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.320 bunch of people outside of his bodega and they're protesting, 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:59.600 and they start debating the futility of protests, like you 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:02.440 Sif says, it won't change anything, like we've seen it 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:05.279 a million times. People protest, nothing changes increases Like no, no, 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.560 I disagree. People using their voices to refuse to be 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.040 oppressed is what this country is all about. And at 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.759 this exact moment, Ice rolls up like a ton of 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.279 them and they run straight for you. So well you 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.440 can't say Ice, you know what? Who? I thought it was? 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:23.880 Oh Iced tea? Oh no, I'm sorry he shows up? No, sorry, 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:28.719 come on, well it's Ice, it's Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.239 They roll up and there's a lot of them, like 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.319 they sent a lot of them to grab one guy. 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:38.360 And why who do we ever find out who called 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:43.400 on him or whatever? Like why was he the well? 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.680 And I'm not and I've not caught a lot in 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:48.480 this episode. I was like, wait, those are his nieces? 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.759 Like I don't know what I was watching. I don't 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:54.920 know what. Yeah, we never find out who gets Ice, 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.840 but maybe they're mad about something like who. Well, obviously 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.560 we find out later that he has like other stuff, 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.160 but like, I still don't understand someone would have had 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:05.520 to call Ice and say this man is at this 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:11.120 apartment and day getting cigarettes find him in the protest. 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.080 It's just crazy how they laser focus on him. They 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.600 don't say Useef Samra, like, they don't even ask for 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.360 his like anything. They just go right at him and 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.840 he runs and the Creasey is trying to reason with 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.320 these fucks, but it's like no use. He's like no, no, 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.400 I'm NYPD, like he's a material witness in a murder investigation, 0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:32.440 like you can't like whatever, And then they're like we 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:34.719 don't care, and they grab him and Creasy is like 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.840 literally trying to get Barba on the line and doesn't 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.920 stop this from happening, and Yusuf says, you promised me 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:44.319 as they throw him in a van. It's really really 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.560 awful because you're just like watching this man so terrified 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:53.239 of him and they did promise yes, So yeah, I 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.000 guess protective, But like, what would have happened if, like 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.640 the police had showed up to his house? I mean, 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.640 if ice had showed up to his Like, would they 0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:04.439 have been able to just go get him? I feel 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.680 like a police officer being like you don't actually have 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:09.080 a warrant, you have no right to come in here, 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.960 probably would have stopped them, but I don't know. Barbara 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.400 is on the steps giving his first press conference of 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:18.239 the episode. I don't worry. There are many more with 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.680 Live and Eyebrows giving an update that a suspect has 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.280 been arraigned, but they don't really give any comments or details. Okay, 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.359 and Dodds is like, we don't really like to Live. 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:27.960 He goes, we don't really want people to think we're 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:32.360 scapegoating an undocumented Mexican and that we support all this 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:36.440 crazy shit that's happening down in DC, and Live cares 0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:38.759 like two people have been murdered and raped, Like who 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.600 cares what I do? And I think they're trying to 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:44.200 like not muddy the case in the public opinion. They're like, jet, well, 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.239 let's just say we have a suspect, don't say who 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.000 he is, so that there's not more like, oh, well, 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.399 now you're taking this like you're just taking him because 0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:56.319 he's undocumented or whatever. So Live then gets a call 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:58.680 on her phone and it's it's that to let her 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.319 know that Yuseff has been grabbed Ice the bad Ice, 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.640 not Tea, and Barba starts working on the warrant and 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.919 Live like busts her ass to get to the ice 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:10.040 field office. So now she's talking to an absolute in 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.920 cell with the most punishable face you've ever seen, and 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.680 she's like, do you have a warrant? And Live goes, 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:19.440 go get your boss, and he's like, go get my boss, 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.560 and she goes, I know you're young, but I'm experienced 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.920 and I've got friends. And he's like, is that a threat? 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.120 And she just nods, like she doesn't even give him 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:30.080 a glare that she normally gives. She nods basically like, yeah, 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:31.640 I'm gonna fucking call in a favor if you don't 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:33.920 get your in cell ass out of my face. He 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.400 absolutely caves, takes them to another office and talk to 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.399 a woman with an asymmetrical haircut, and she's like, yeah, 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.200 this is a mess. We don't have enough places to 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.800 put these guys. We're not exactly a well oiled machine, 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.279 which I thought was a funny phrase because literally every 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:49.240 guest we've ever talked to is that's how they describe 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.280 the set of us for you. So Live's like, I'm sorry, 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.799 can you explain what's going on? This is a sanctuary city. 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:56.920 You aren't supposed to just be rounding up immigrants, and 0:56:56.960 --> 0:57:00.120 she goes, yes, we are. That's literally our job. I'm 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:03.719 sorry that you think NYPD is above federal law, and 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.200 she goes, this is a double rape, double homicide. He 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.040 is more valuable here than in a refugee camp in Syria, 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:11.840 and bad Haircut is like, that's why I'm trying to 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:14.080 help you, and then she gets a little pang on 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:17.120 her computer and goes, Okay, good news he's in Paterson, 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:20.640 New Jersey right now. Bad news is he's been deported 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.640 before for overstaying a student visa, which is going to 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:27.560 make them more pissed at him. So she's like, gets 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:30.880 a Patterson asap, and have your material witness a warrant 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:34.080 in your hands. So in Patterson they're talking to another 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.280 absolute pudding head ice freak with a Southern accent. Not 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:41.440 to stereotype, but this actor made a choice. He's telling them, Oh, 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:45.600 the warrant doesn't stand. It's state versus federal, and he's 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.920 not here and they won't say where he is. And 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.480 Yusuf is a national security threat is what this guy 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.800 is saying. And Live says two people are dead, and 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.000 you're going to deport the only person who can id 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.520 one of the perpetrators, and then he goes, I don't 0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:01.120 want to get into politics, think y'all should leave before 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:05.040 things get unpleasant. That literally sentence has nothing to do 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.600 with what she just said. Two people are dead. It's 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:10.120 like he knows who is dead. He knows that it's 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:12.600 Muslim people. And he's like, I don't really want to 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.680 get political. I think you guys should just see yourselves out, 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:17.800 and then lives like it's already gotten unpleasant, and he goes, yeah, 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:19.240 so why don't you get the hell out of here? 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:23.600 And so his southern hospitality drops like a bad habit 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:27.200 pretty quick, and Barbara is like, or what. He's got 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.320 a huge little his barber, a little smug smile on 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.200 his face. He goes, or what are you going to 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:33.320 deport me to Cuba? You're going to take him back 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:36.040 to Italy? And the guy who looks like a thumb goes, 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.800 y'all have a nice day. And he's so smug and shitty, 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:41.280 and they're about to go check all the airports when 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:43.880 the other ICE agent that's standing there, who I guess 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:46.880 has a shred of a moral compass, goes the plane 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:50.120 left ten minutes ago, and they're like what and He's 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:53.960 like I got people are stuck forever, and then because 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.200 they needed him, they they made it fast or they 0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:00.440 always do it fast. That It's like, so they was 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:03.360 trying to ruin everything for everyone all at once. It 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.920 would have like made more sense to me if like 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:09.360 Buchanan was the lawyer for him, like or somebody that 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:12.280 would have done something like this, like called ice and said, 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.440 this guy's overstated his visa, get him out, and you 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:17.000 should get him out real quick because the cops are 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:18.800 going to try to keep him in the country, you know. 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:23.960 But like, I don't believe that Naomi whatever is her name, 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:28.120 I forgot Geigert, what is it whatever. I just don't 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:33.400 believe that she did that on this person. But whatever, 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:38.160 maybe she's vicious and we don't know. But anyway, what 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:40.320 I yeah, I kind of said the same thing. I'm like, 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:42.320 the plane less left ten minutes ago. That's gotta be 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:45.520 a record, like to be deported within two hours basically 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:47.320 of getting grabbed. I mean, it can be more than 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:50.440 two or three hours. Like he was grabbed. They immediately 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:52.040 went to this woman. They talked to her. I think 0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.400 sometimes it was hard doing that to people like you 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.480 don't know what it'll be and what you know what 0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:58.400 I mean, like those people that are yeah, but there's 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:01.360 people that have been in Dilly for like months, That's 1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.600 what I mean. Like what is They're just trying to 1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:07.160 inflict the most amount of harm they can or something. 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:12.840 So liv obviously looks devastated, like she's upset that she's 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:14.720 made this promise to this family and now this man 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:17.840 is like most likely gonna die when he or and 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:19.720 die not in a great way when he goes back 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:23.760 to his like Syria, a refugee camp. So at the precinct, 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:26.160 they're trying to come up with a plan. They found 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:28.600 a couple of strands of Hector's hair, but like, that's 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.680 not gonna do it. He used to work there. They 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:32.760 have to release him or indict him, and lives like 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:34.880 what are you gonna do? So cut to Barbara press 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:38.280 conference number two of this episode. We have released Hector Ramirez. 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.320 He is the prime suspect and we expect to indict 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:43.440 him very soon. Another protest outside the courthouse. As Hector 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:46.080 walks out with his lawyer, the crowd boos him. A 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:49.240 glass shatters, thing goes it's going down, and the crowd 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:52.960 all starts fighting. It's basically this is like a dick wolf. 1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:55.960 Look at how bad things are right now. Okay, So 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:59.439 back at the precinct, they're watching the chaos on TV 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:04.320 when walks back in and Lopez is there and tells 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:07.760 her Leila and Maya are here, and she is pissed. Maya. 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:09.800 She's like, you promised that you stuff would be safe. 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:12.960 We need him to testify. Maya wants to like They're like, 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:15.720 we're sorry, like we didn't know how this happened, like 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.760 and they're like, he's already on a plane, and Maya goes, 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:20.680 well then get him back and lives like I'm not 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:24.640 sure that's possible, and she's like, so you're just he's 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:28.040 just gone. And now Hector is free, and finnbusts in 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:31.360 and is like, there's a situation now. I mean, this 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:33.960 episode it just keeps getting more wild. A while, the 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:38.000 cops are surrounding a bar where some Muslim men are 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:42.200 holding Hector Ramirez hostage, and inside the bar, the two 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:44.520 guys are there with Hector. One has a gun on 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.800 him and is screaming to know who hurt the Samras 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:50.120 tell us now, and then Hector's like, I don't know 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.000 I don't know. Then there's like another guy who's just 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:54.160 like the guy without a gun that's like, uh, like 1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:56.040 what are we doing? Like I don't think he expected 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:58.200 this to be like a full hostage situation where like 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:01.800 cops are outside surrounding the fucking bill and Hector's like, 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:04.760 I don't know, I don't know, and outside, the cop 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:07.360 handling the situation with Live is kind of a dick 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:09.520 and he's like not listening to any of Lib's advice. 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:12.760 And then a sniper just shoots through the window and 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:16.800 shoots the guy through the fucking head, like finds a shot. 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:18.760 And then we just watched this guy who has a 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:22.440 gun on Hector just get his brains blown out. I 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.440 feel like it's crazy that Hector's saying, I don't know, 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:28.080 I don't know. You know who the guys are. Give 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:30.640 their names. There's a gun to your head. This guy's 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:34.360 not law enforcement. He could literally fucking kill you at 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:36.920 any moment. Just say the names. Why are you protecting 1:02:37.000 --> 1:02:40.360 these guys so hard? So then Hector is like kind 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:42.560 of pissed when they come in. He's like, they were 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:44.800 gonna kill me and it's like, yeah, well they didn't. 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:46.640 And it's like, this whole thing is such a mess. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:48.880 It's like and don'tknock, like they were gonna kill you 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:51.400 for no reason. Dude, you do have information to a 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:54.040 horrific crime that you're not giving up. So this whole 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:55.840 fucking thing is a mess. And that's the end of 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:58.920 American Dream. And we go right into sanctuary. If you 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:02.000 have Hulu without commercials, I do so. Hector tells them 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:04.040 he was in the bar getting drunk after being locked 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:07.600 up for three days. Wow, I guess yeah, I would 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:09.320 need a drink after three days and walk up and 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:11.360 these guys held a gone on him and demanded to 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:14.360 know who hurt the Samras and lives, like you let 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:17.160 this happen. You let those girls get raped and Shaha 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:19.520 and Kanan get murdered. And until you tell us who 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:22.200 did it, this all this isn't going away. And the 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:25.200 combo is interrupted by his lawyer once again waiting by 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.280 the damn phone for this fucking guy, and Finn goes 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:30.520 the decision for Hector not to talk to us is 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.200 really stupid, and she goes, well, you guys have dick, 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:35.280 so excuse me while I take my client to the hospital. 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:37.600 So it turns out Neither of these guys in the 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:40.200 bar has a record. They just wanted justice for the Samras. 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:43.560 And the wife is backing up Hector's alibi. We've got 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:46.280 to crack her story. So at his apartment, his wife 1:03:46.400 --> 1:03:48.600 is so mad at the cops. She's like, everybody hates us. 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:50.520 Now we can't go out, we can't take the kids outside. 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:52.400 And it's like, do you think it's because your husband 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.840 was involved in a horrific crime, Like, it's not because 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:57.800 of like the cops, you know, Corisium Rollins try to 1:03:57.800 --> 1:04:00.880 break this woman again, lightly threatening to call social services, 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:03.440 threatening to punish her for perjury, and she kicks them 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:06.640 out of the apartment. Now we're talking to Maya and Layla, 1:04:07.200 --> 1:04:10.720 and they they knew the guy a Kif who had 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:12.280 been shot by the cops, the one who was like 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:15.800 holding Hector at gunpoint. And they're like, anything you can 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:18.840 can remember that might put Hector at the restaurant that night, 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:21.680 And Maya says, well, I do remember that when the 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:23.800 guys walked in, one of them went straight to the 1:04:23.840 --> 1:04:26.280 security camera camera like he knew where it was to 1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:29.440 turn it off. Like so that's like helpful, right, So 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:32.360 now we're talking to Barba and the security camera fingerprint. 1:04:32.400 --> 1:04:34.439 They do find one of Hector's fingerprints on the camera, 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:38.200 again not strong enough because he worked there. Now we 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:41.760 find out Solidad is undocumented, and Barba says, and he goes, 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:44.880 let's call Ice. And they're all like, come on, like 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:46.960 that is not our vibe. And Barba's like, well, we 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.800 can at least threaten it, and Cariese's like turned up. 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:52.200 He's like, this is New York City. It's a sanctuary city. 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:54.440 And Barba's like, I don't give a fuck. I'm siding 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:57.080 with the victims, not the wife of the perp, and 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:00.560 Live actually agrees and says, with what happening in the 1:05:00.600 --> 1:05:02.480 city right now, we need to play every card on 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.560 the deck. Bring in Solidad on her kids. So they 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.880 bring in Solidad and absolutely use her two girls as 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:11.240 chest pieces to threaten her to tell the truth or 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:14.200 Live threatens to call Ice. Live goes, I don't want 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:16.800 to do this. Give me another option, like I don't 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:19.400 want to call Ice and Soladad says nothing, and so 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:22.400 she picks up the phone. She gets asymmetrical haircut at 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:27.200 AKA special Agent Phillips on the horn and starts reporting 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:31.200 Solidad and Solodad says, okay, wait stop. Benson has basically 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:34.560 already done the reporting, like Phelips picks up. She goes, Hi, Phelps, 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:38.280 I've got an undocumented woman from ex country here, you know, 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:41.880 and she's refusing to help an investigation. And then Solodad goes, okay, 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:44.640 wait stop, and then Benson goes, okay, worked itself out, 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:47.040 like we're supposed to believe that Phillips doesn't go send 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:49.120 someone over and get this bitch, Like there's no way 1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:51.600 that Ice is like, okay, never mind, we won't come 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:54.920 get her. Then, you know, like, because what a favor 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:58.840 for Benson. I don't think so, and so she goes stop. 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:02.280 Solodad goes, Hector wasn't home that night until late. He 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:03.920 came in at two am and he had blood on 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:07.280 his shoes, and Finn asks live if she was really 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:09.200 going to go through with it, and she does it 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:11.440 answer she just says, just go pick up Hector. So 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:17.720 everybody's everybody's moral compasses are being tested to their limits 1:06:17.760 --> 1:06:20.480 in this episode. In cement room bars with Hector and 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:23.680 his lawyer again, they're like, we got you, bro, It's 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:26.320 time to make a deal. CARIESI promises him. If he testifies, 1:06:26.400 --> 1:06:28.800 his wife and kids will be safe, and he goes, okay, 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:30.680 I was drinking with these two guys who I know 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:34.880 from another job, Mitch Jenkins and Stevie Cole. I was 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.040 pissed about getting fired. They wanted to mess with the Samras. 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:40.560 We were going to trash the place send a message, 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:43.360 but then Kannan fought back, and then they went after 1:06:43.480 --> 1:06:45.680 Leila and Shalla. I wanted the money. I did not 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:49.560 want what happened, and so he gives up where these 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:52.919 guys live, like he knows where Stevie and Mitch live. 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:56.080 So they go find Stevie at a biker garage and 1:06:56.200 --> 1:06:59.880 all the bikers act all tough, saying like where's the warrant? 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:02.320 And then Finn mentions it's a double homicide, double rape, 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:05.200 and suddenly these tough guys are really hands off. Suddenly 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:07.920 they're like, whoa, okay, we don't want any of that. No, 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:10.800 we don't want that smoke. So they arrest Stevie, who 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:14.800 is shocked, like what, like you never thought there was 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:16.360 a world where the cops were going to come in 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:18.480 here and grab you for what you did four days ago. 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:21.240 That's all over the news, like wild, but it's like 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:24.160 you always say, like the audacity of these men, they're 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:27.560 just like I'm not getting caught, you know. So this 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:31.440 guy is very familiar the actor. His name is Ben Thompson, 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:33.080 but I looked him up and I do not know him. 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.080 And there were also two x's by his name, which 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:37.400 lead me to believe that there are twenty Ben Thompson's 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.920 on IMTB, which made me laugh. So they show Lopez 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:44.760 arresting Mitch Jenkins while he's screaming at his wife Carlen 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:47.320 to call a lawyer, and not like in a call 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:49.480 my lawyer, like in a carle like you know, this 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:52.600 man is abusive, and Carlene is played by friend of 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.360 the pod, Emma Miles. One of our first Orange is 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:57.600 the new Black Pokemon that we collected in our collection, 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:00.240 and they have a young son there who who is 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:03.520 scared and confused, and Carlene is freaking out, and Rollins 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:07.640 has to physically restrain a hysterical wife once again and 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:09.600 ask her for her to chill out in the second 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:12.360 time this episode. And Rollins is like really big this 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:15.480 episode on using kids to give these moms guilt trips, 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.280 like she goes straight for the kids with these moms, 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:22.760 and now they have CV the first idiot incident from 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:25.000 bars and he's all over the place. First he thinks 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:27.200 he knows the law, then it turns out he doesn't. 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:30.000 Then he calls Hector a slur. Then he turns around 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:32.320 and says, I couldn't have done it. It's not who 1:08:32.400 --> 1:08:34.560 I am. So then he asks for a lawyer. This 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:37.240 guy is like, truly has doesn't even have a lie 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:39.720 the whole police car ride there, he didn't even come 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:42.040 up with a good lie. So now talking to Mitch, 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:45.679 Lopez is acting. Lopez keeps asking him if he smoked 1:08:45.680 --> 1:08:47.600 a little meth, and I'm like, when did meth enter 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:50.519 the equation? Like, I don't know why they're adding meth 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:53.880 to it, but I guess the victim said she smelled 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:56.040 tequila on you. And he goes, must have been Hector. 1:08:56.280 --> 1:08:59.680 Mexicans love tequila and raping. Just ask the president, is 1:08:59.760 --> 1:09:05.720 what says. So he calls out Lopez and goes, you 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:07.640 would just want to stick it to Whitey instead of 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:10.400 one of your little amigos. I mean, this guy is 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:13.720 an extreme shithead. And they tell him, oh, well, you 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.080 know the girl that you raped lived and she remembers 1:09:16.200 --> 1:09:19.320 it about you and like and she could identify your 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:21.639 voice and stuff like that, so I would pipe down. 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:23.840 And he's like, tell that Muslim bitch to take the 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:26.519 stand and get twelve red blooded Americans to believe her. 1:09:27.040 --> 1:09:30.400 So this man's really leading with racism first off, Like 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:33.200 that's the forward. Those are the most strong notes in 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:36.000 this man. He says, I didn't do it, but I 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:40.080 wish I did, okay oj And then these terrorists deserve 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:43.200 what they get. He says, just ask my cousin Susan, 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.800 her husband got blown away on nine to eleven. They 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:49.320 want to kill us all like watch his cousin Susan 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:51.840 is like literally like a chain letter. It's like not 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:53.680 even real. Like he's like, I mean I never met 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:56.320 her before, but I got this email. So he says, 1:09:56.960 --> 1:09:59.360 stupid white liberals are the problem. And then he says, 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:02.479 get me a lawyer, your bitch to Rollins, And the 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.880 way she lunges at him with a quickness, it got 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:07.400 my heart right up. Like she's like around the table 1:10:07.479 --> 1:10:09.400 in two seconds, Like what'd you fucking say to me? 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:12.320 And we know Rollins runs, so don't try it, you 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:14.840 little shit bag. Like she's fast she'll get you, and 1:10:14.920 --> 1:10:16.720 then they obviously have to hold her back, and he's like, 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:18.760 see you, and she goes see you. In court, bitch. 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:20.600 I don't think she said bitch. I think I added that, 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:23.439 but that's her vibe. So in court, Hector's on the 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:25.880 stand explaining what happened the night of the crime. Mitch 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:29.320 raped Shalla. Cevie raped Leila. Shalla started screaming, so Mitch 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:32.200 smashed her head against the floor and she died. Barba, 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:35.479 I know, it's fucking terrible because we still don't even 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:37.640 we didn't even know the context in which that, like, 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:40.559 the full story of how that happened. So Barba's now 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:44.480 in press conference number three announcing the indictment. Shortly afterwards, 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:48.200 two gunshots ring out people the fact that there is 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:50.400 not like a line of security guards on the front 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:53.000 steps of the New York City Courthouse, judging by how 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:55.479 many people have just been shot outside of it. I mean, 1:10:55.560 --> 1:10:58.960 Lewis Black, Kyle, know, all kinds of people have been 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:01.679 shot on these goddamns, like, you got to have more security. 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:05.640 So the gun sharts shot, sorry, the gun sharts. It 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:10.479 was the religious mom. Oh, but she hit Lewis Black. Yeah, okay, yes, 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:14.760 Dana Delaney. So the gun sharts as I said, ring out. 1:11:15.280 --> 1:11:18.720 Uh Careese starts right, yeah, by accident, then I repeated it. 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:22.679 I called myself out on it already, but CARESI starts 1:11:22.920 --> 1:11:26.000 booking it towards the gunshots. He full body slams some 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:27.960 civilian out of the way, which I think is just 1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:30.519 for us. I guess, like he's just like boom, this 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:33.080 person is on the floor. He gets to the scene 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:35.880 just as another cop is tackling the gunman, who is 1:11:35.960 --> 1:11:40.360 calling Hector a monster. Because yet is it is revealed 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:42.600 and yet another twist. Hector has been killed. So the 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:45.519 gunman is yelling he's a monster, he's scum, he's dirty. 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:48.880 So again it's like, I know Hector was part of 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:51.000 the problem, but he was also the only witness, Like 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:53.000 what are you guys doing? Like everyone needs to stop 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:56.040 with the vigilante justice in this case. At the hospital, 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:58.599 we found out that the bullet nicked his a orda 1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:03.680 and it's pretty bad. The shooters named Keith Skinner twenty eight, unemployed, 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:07.880 went to high school with Stevie. So is that did 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:10.560 he get put up to that even the Aryan Brotherhood 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:14.040 would deny this guy's application, they say. A doctor comes out, 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:17.160 second doctor of the episode to tell us that somebody 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:20.240 did not make it. Hector is dead. He's their only witness. 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:22.680 They have to put these two freaks behind bars, so 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:25.160 it's back to work. Uh oh, Sola Dad shows up 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:27.840 with the girls, and she obviously freaks out at Live 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:31.479 when she finds out, and I like, of course, all 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:35.320 her grief, but she's also blaming Live for making him 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:37.240 a target, and it's like, no, he was involved in 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:39.360 a double rape, double homicide. I think you have to 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:40.880 let him take the l on this one. You know, 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:44.280 he made himself a target. But she's grieving. She is sobbing. 1:12:44.360 --> 1:12:47.360 The two little girls are there. It's very sad. And 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:50.280 as you said, he was hot at the precinct. Our 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:54.360 girl Emma aka Carleen is there, and once again, Rollins 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.639 goes straight for the kids talking to Carleen and goes, 1:12:57.680 --> 1:12:59.560 if you keep lying to protect Mitch, it's really not 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:02.040 good for little Tyler. And it's like us basically a 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:06.040 repeat of the earlier storyline. Carlene is alibying her dirt 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:08.559 bag husband like they truly just made the same story 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:11.880 happen twice, and like you guys have domestics and every 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:14.720 time you drop the charges and they're like and they go, 1:13:14.920 --> 1:13:16.880 Carlene goes, you don't give a damn about my kid 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:19.720 because he's white and not an immigrant or trans. We 1:13:19.840 --> 1:13:22.040 won't even we don't even matter anymore. And that's what 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:25.960 the problem is with this country. So okay, eyebrows, I 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:27.880 guess has like never been on the internet and he 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:30.639 just cannot believe the hate coming out of these people. 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:33.040 And Barba's like it's always been this way. People just 1:13:33.120 --> 1:13:35.240 feel more empowered now to shout it from the rooftops 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:37.760 and live is like, well, I think Carlen is an 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:39.599 abuse victim. I think we need to come out her 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:43.320 that way. But she certainly has swallowed some Fox News 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:46.080 talking points. Okay, so they have put these three guys 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:48.519 together in the neighborhood. Lopez is on it. They caught 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:50.519 a break at like a deli three blocks from the 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:53.920 Samra restaurant where they have Mitch, Cevie and Hector together 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:57.920 on tape. But it's not enough. I don't I don't 1:13:57.920 --> 1:14:02.639 know how. So then in walks Maya going oopsie doodle, 1:14:03.000 --> 1:14:05.400 I actually forgot to tell you, guys, I did see 1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:07.760 the attackers' faces, and it was those guys that you have, 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:10.960 Mitch and Stevie, And she goes, you know, they threatened me, 1:14:11.560 --> 1:14:14.360 and so I couldn't tell Benson before, but now that 1:14:14.400 --> 1:14:16.680 they're in jail, I'm not afraid, and let me at 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:20.680 that witness stand. I saw them. There's just like no way, 1:14:20.960 --> 1:14:24.240 like they've already been arraigned, I think, which means like 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:29.200 their names are public, and so there's just no way 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:31.200 that Ben's Barbara would even put this woman on the 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:36.080 stand with this reverse. But guess what they do and 1:14:36.240 --> 1:14:39.040 she tells them later She goes, no, I saw them 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:41.720 for sure. No one else saw their faces, just me. 1:14:43.280 --> 1:14:45.759 They pulled off their masks just for a few seconds. 1:14:45.840 --> 1:14:48.920 And Lena Live thinks Maya's lying and is like and 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:51.640 is asking Barbara, like do you believe her? And he goes, well, 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:54.439 it's not my job to believe her, Like I'm willing 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:57.960 to go with it because it's plausible, and Benson's like plausible, bitch, 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:00.280 Like that's not good enough for me, And barb is 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:02.400 telling Live like, look, our legal system is the best 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:04.679 that there is, and it isn't perfect and it isn't pure, 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:08.040 and so we cut to court where Maya is testifying 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:10.960 against the men. They put her on the stand because 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:13.519 Barba wants to get these guys at all costs and 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:16.400 thinks why not roll the dice. She explains how they 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:19.760 threatened her, how anger made her decide to tell the 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:22.559 truth about seeing their faces, and then a defense attorney, 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:24.280 when it's his trying to question her, is calling her 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:26.519 out for lying and is basically accusing her of changing 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:29.800 her story because she knows the case is weak. And 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.800 then suddenly Maya says, on the stand in open court, no, 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:35.360 I actually told Benson this weeks ago. I told her 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.919 weeks ago that I saw the attacker's faces. So Benson's 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:41.080 getting scooted right under that bus. That's how bad this 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:44.280 woman wants justice for her family. How bad Barbara. Everybody 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:48.280 wants justice because I think they think if there's justice 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:51.280 in this case, maybe that sends a message that we 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:53.560 can't just have anarchy in this country right now and 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:56.720 people can't just like express their hate through violence the 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:58.840 way that the Prince President is sort of making it 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:01.679 seem like you can. Outside the courtroom, Benson and Rowinds 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.679 are talking and Rollins is like, yeah, it was really 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:07.320 with her until she said that you knew, and Benson goes, bitch, 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:10.240 you know that never happened, right, And then Barbara comes 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:13.679 up and goes, can I chat with you? Benson goes, yeah, 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:18.200 you know that never happened, right, And he's like, listen, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:20.479 she's been through a lot. She could have fucked up 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:23.120 the timeline. And Benson's like, why what are you doing? 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:25.400 Are you telling me to like back the story? And 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:27.800 Barbara goes, no, I'm saying she's a human. I'm not 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.320 telling you what to say. But it's like he sort 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:33.760 of is intimating it right, and he tells her she 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:37.040 needs to do what she believes is right. It's like, Barbara, 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:38.760 if you wanted to do something that you wanted to do, 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:40.120 you got to know if you say do what's right, 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:41.920 she's going to do the actual right thing. That's the 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:45.759 Benson play. So now Benson is playing with toddler Noah. 1:16:46.080 --> 1:16:49.599 This is his last episode Audios to my favorite Noah. 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:52.519 He's not in the show anymore after this one. And 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:55.320 there is a knock and she thinks it's Lucy, her 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:58.760 babysitter slash co parent, but it is eyebrows Dods and 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:00.560 he's like, oh, I was just in theighborhood. And she 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.439 was like, I didn't think people said that anymore. And 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:05.000 he goes, I'm just here to give you advice. There 1:17:05.040 --> 1:17:08.320 are no good choices or bad choices. Whatever you choose 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:11.519 your good I'm going to make sure your backside is covered. 1:17:12.080 --> 1:17:15.280 And she's like, I didn't know my backside needed covering, 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.920 and like, also, sir, like one hr seminar, I don't 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.120 think you should be talking about your subordinates asses in 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:24.519 any way. But and he's like, you know, I've been 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:29.080 in this situation. I'm good at rationalizing. And she goes, well, 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:31.960 what would you have told Mike, you know, Mike Dodds 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:36.599 baby Dodds, who has passed, And he goes, same thing, 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:39.759 I just told you. So now we're wondering what's Benson 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:41.120 going to do. Is she going to go with what 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:43.640 these two men in her life that she respects and 1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:47.280 works with have to say, or is she going to 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:49.479 do what she thinks is right. So in court, she's 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:51.760 back on the stand. She's sticking to the truth as 1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:54.639 she always does. That Maya story did not change until 1:17:54.680 --> 1:17:57.679 after Hector was shot and killed, and that's normal, she says, 1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.439 for victims of trauma, and Benson shared. There's a quick 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:03.200 look with Maya, who looks disappointed that Benson didn't go 1:18:03.240 --> 1:18:06.240 along with it, but she does throw in there, I 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:08.599 don't think she's doing this maliciously. I think she's doing 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:11.120 this because victims of trauma can change their stories. I 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:13.360 just can't tell you that this was told to me 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.519 when it was said, it was told to me. Outside 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:18.320 the courtroom, Maya approaches Benson, furious, you said you would 1:18:18.360 --> 1:18:21.320 help us, you said you cared, you don't care. She's pissed. 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:25.080 Leila leads her away. Benson looks shook, and then Carlene, 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:29.479 the wife of Mitch, comes has been watching this whole interaction, 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:32.759 and she comes up to Benson and goes, they're angry 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:35.160 at you, huh, because you didn't back her story about 1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:38.840 seeing my husband. I do not know what is causing 1:18:38.960 --> 1:18:42.880 this woman's change in complete personality that she would have 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:46.280 any empathy for this like brown family, after she's just 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:49.479 been literally being like white people are being persecuted. And 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:51.800 Benson is like, girl, your husband is guilty as fuck, 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:54.120 and Carlene is like, I know what they did, and 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:57.479 Benson is like, so do something about it. And She's like, 1:18:57.600 --> 1:18:59.519 I know he's a bad guy. You've called the police, 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:01.360 and you know you could be his next victim. Like 1:19:01.479 --> 1:19:04.840 come on, like tell the truth for you and your 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:08.200 son and then take a step towards freedom and safety. Okay. 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:11.960 So now on the stand, Carline is testifying and when 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:13.960 they ask her if her husband was with her that night, 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:17.840 she says no, he was not, and she says I 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:21.719 lied when I alibied him. He is furious, of course. 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:25.360 Over at the defense table, she says she didn't see 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:27.160 him until early the next morning and he had blood 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:30.760 on his pants and shoes. Her husband, Mitch, gets up 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.519 and fucking runs for her, ass like he might dream 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:36.800 roll a dream roll, yeah, like he is going to 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:40.879 kill her. He runs for her and he gets obviously subdued. 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:44.320 And now Barba is in press conference number four, saying 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:48.919 justice has been served, literally the fourth time in the episode. 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:52.479 He is standing on the steps surrounded by press. We 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:57.000 gotta do a drinking game. Yeah yeah, maybe we'll say 1:19:57.000 --> 1:19:59.200 it in the intro for this episode, drink every time 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:01.839 Barbara has a press conference or you see a protest, 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:05.400 You'll be wasted. By the end of this episode, Barba's 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:07.840 in press Conference number four, saying justice has been served 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:11.120 so clearly these guys were found guilty. Finn says, hell 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:14.240 of a case. Benson says hell of a year, and 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:16.879 he's like, you got the conviction, that's all that matters, 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:20.439 and Live goes. I wish it were that simple. And 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:23.280 then Barba's at the precinct now offering to buy Live 1:20:23.320 --> 1:20:26.200 a drink and she's like, no, I got to get home, 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:29.479 and he's like, are you upset with me? And she's like, 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:32.200 we all have to answer to our own gods, and 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:34.960 he says, luckily, mine is a little more accepting than yours. 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:39.280 And I don't know what that joke is, Like, I 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:42.600 know Rishkahargate is religious, but I don't really feel like 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:46.760 they've ever said that Benson is religious, and so I 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:49.759 think they're just talking about their internal gods, like Benson 1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:53.479 is the god of like justice, that is completely the 1:20:53.640 --> 1:20:56.200 right thing all the time, and Barba's is a little 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:58.599 bit more. Even with her, we know that's not true. 1:20:59.240 --> 1:21:03.760 She's made a couple, Ben's for sure. I can't think 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:07.400 she's done some loosey goosey stuff, and she's done some 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:11.400 luy where she's called in some favor. She's called, she's 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:14.679 called the press or whatever, but she's never like lied 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:17.720 on the stand. She's done some backhanded shit to have 1:21:17.880 --> 1:21:22.280 evidence come out or to whatever, but she hasn't lied 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:24.719 on the stand, Like she'll never lie about something happening. 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:29.040 I feel correct us if we're wrong. I feel like 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:32.000 I want, I want to find something. Yeah, but I don't. 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:35.080 I love her so like I don't know what I'm doing. Like, well, 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:37.040 there was a time where she did something, remember you, 1:21:37.080 --> 1:21:39.000 and I going, that's so not her. She would never 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:41.840 do this. But even then, I don't think it was 1:21:41.920 --> 1:21:44.080 like lying on the stand or lying to another cop 1:21:44.120 --> 1:21:47.760 about like an invested like you know, but I don't know. 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.000 I mean, she obviously like did a little bit of 1:21:50.040 --> 1:21:52.639 fibbing to cover for Rowins when Rollins was like involved 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:54.760 in all her gambling and shit. Like she does lie, 1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:58.040 I just don't think she lies or like Maria Bello, 1:21:58.200 --> 1:22:03.559 did she lie to help her? Yeah, maybe she lied 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:07.160 to help get Calvin or something. I don't know. She 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:11.240 really wants to be a mom at that point. But yeah, 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:16.639 but you know, so they're just sitting there, they're standing there, 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:19.720 and then Eyebrows walks in to solemnly inform them that 1:22:19.840 --> 1:22:22.560 a mosque has just been firebombed in East Harlem and 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:26.200 there are five dead and everyone is stunned, silent, And 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:31.800 that's Dick wolf Baby the double episode. I don't know, 1:22:32.080 --> 1:22:37.439 I just I don't know some of their some of 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:42.719 their like incredulity about this stuff is like I stopped 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:46.200 living in New York like a year before this episode 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:48.400 came out, and I knew that this stuff was happening, 1:22:48.439 --> 1:22:49.639 you know what I mean. I just feel like there's 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:54.719 always been stuff happening. Hate crimes, you know, they seem 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:57.880 like they're just like, wait, what people hate each other? 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:00.960 I don't know, But it's not that this episode is 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:03.960 so still from the ice to the hate crimes, to 1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:08.679 the sentiment about certain groups, this episode is still so relevant. 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:19.240 But let's get into the real crime. Well, first of 1:23:19.360 --> 1:23:19.680 we'll do. 1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:23.679 A little just Touchstone. That's not even the right word. Listen, 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:27.840 sanctuary cities. We're going to touch stone sanctuary cities. It's 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:30.680 actually in the news yesterday. There were articles about it 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:36.479 because basically, so we're taping on the twenty sixth of May, 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:40.320 so May twenty fourth and twenty fifth. Basically, Homeland Security 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:45.760 Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen reiterated his threat to withdraw US 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:49.160 Customs and Border Protection officers from airports and so called 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:53.080 sanctuary cities, and that of course jeopardizes you know, flights 1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:57.599 and security and everything. And the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy's like, well, 1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:58.759 that doesn't really make sense. 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:02.680 But it's like, are you're in this administration? Like what 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:05.960 does make sense to you? I'm sorry, but even in 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:09.680 the first four sentences of you reporting this crime, you 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:12.400 have mentioned a man named Mark Wayne, which I think 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:15.639 should be illegal. That's his first name, Mark wayn Mark 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:19.800 Wayne is his first name. He has no qualifications to 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:24.520 be the Secretary of Homeland Security. And you mentioned Secretary 1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:27.200 of Transportation Sean Duffy, who is from the fucking Real World, 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:30.840 another reality star. He is from Real World Road Rules. 1:24:31.280 --> 1:24:36.280 He has nine children with Rachel from Real World San Francisco, 1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:40.439 and they have like nine kids together and they're filming 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:44.000 a reality show. So that's the nightmare that we live in. 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:47.240 But keep going. I didn't even know any of that. Yeah. 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:51.000 Sean Duffy says that we should all dress up for 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:53.839 flights again, that we should all dress up for flights, 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:56.880 and they want to make airports more family friendly. I'm like, 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:58.840 how are you talking about making things more family friendly? 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:00.160 And that we also have to dress up. I got 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:02.439 to chase after my kids in the airport now in 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:05.040 a slack or like a dress. What are you talking about, honey? 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:06.679 If you're not gonna let me smoke in the skies, 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:07.559 I'm not dressing up. 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:11.320 Yeah, that's what I have to say. You want me 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:14.240 in a little old dress. I need to be able 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:18.400 to smoke some weed. That's what I need. Take me back, No, 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:20.840 this is a nightmare. It obviously would cause a lot 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:24.280 of disruption, which of course is the point. So what 1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:26.439 are sanctuary city? Is what is going on? 1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:30.200 And there's no strict definition for sanctuary policies or cities, 1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:36.599 but the terms, the terms generally describe limited cooperation with ICE. 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:41.240 So it's about limiting cooperation with federal immigration scum and 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:45.800 creating safe and welcoming environments for undocumented immigrants. It's a 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:50.000 catch all term, not a legal designation, but its places 1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:54.639 adopting these policies that afford some protections to undocumented immigrants. 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:58.360 And yeah, they don't have to fuck with federal agents 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:01.560 that seek to detain and deport these people, but the 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:05.280 agents can still do whatever they want, just the government 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:08.080 doesn't have to help, like the local government. 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:10.200 Yeah, basically he sucks. 1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:12.800 And so like, yeah, when our president the first time 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:15.160 he was there, the courts are like, fuck you, We're 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:18.400 not cutting funding to these cities that are helping immigrants. 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.040 But obviously it's a nightmare now. And then the Center 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:24.280 for Immigration Studies as a map and as highlighted all 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:28.280 the sanctuary cities, counties states. It was updated March tenth, 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:30.120 twenty twenty six. By the time I looked at it, 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:33.400 so pretty up to date. And the places listed have like, 1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:37.560 like I said, like laws, ordinances, regulations, resolutions, policies or 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:40.400 other practices that obstruct immigration enforcement. 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.280 I already said all this, like you guys get it. 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:48.040 And then these policies hopefully like block a wall of 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:51.200 communication between these agents and like all these city workers 1:26:51.360 --> 1:26:52.880 and like I don't know, but I don't trust the 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:56.840 city workers, like even within these cities, you know. But 1:26:57.000 --> 1:27:03.280 basically the states are California, colorad Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Mexico, 1:27:03.479 --> 1:27:07.240 New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:13.800 Washington states. There are dozens. No, like states, it's like 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:15.920 all the states. And then there's dozens of counties in 1:27:16.000 --> 1:27:17.960 cities like dozens. It would be crazy if I listed 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:20.720 them all, but they're on this immigration site. And then 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:24.280 there are tons that are also part of regional jail 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:27.200 and also state facilities, so those are highlighted as well. 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:31.400 But again not laws that prohibit ICE from arresting and 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:33.920 deporting people, but they hopefully make it harder. 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:38.240 But they the federal agents do have brought authority kind 1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:41.439 of how they let Benson know. Now to the horrific 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:41.960 hate crime. 1:27:42.520 --> 1:27:46.160 Okay, so this is the case of Adam Purrenton, who's 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:49.400 a white man who committed a hate crime and he 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:54.599 shot an Indian man, Srinivas Kuchibolta, who is thirty two 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:57.160 at the time of his death. And this guy, Adam, 1:27:57.200 --> 1:28:00.280 wounded two other men at this restaurant in Northwest Stern, 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:04.479 Kansas on February twenty second, twenty seventeen. So it all 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:07.800 started when this dude approached these men who he thought 1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:11.000 were Middle Eastern and from Iran and asked started asking 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:14.840 about their immigration status. And Kuchabolta worked as a senior 1:28:14.920 --> 1:28:19.479 aviation systems engineer okay, super talented engineer, helped companies build 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:24.639 airplanes and helicopters like that, integrated within this technology company 1:28:24.720 --> 1:28:28.800 he worked with and software smart guy well regarded very 1:28:28.840 --> 1:28:32.479 good technically his coworkers and bosses say, but like super 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:33.840 quiet and very friendly. 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:35.599 Witnesses said. 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:41.600 The gunman confronted Kuchibolta angrily and his friend Aloke Madasani 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:45.679 at Austin's Bar. And this is in a Leith, Kansas 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:48.360 or Oleaitha, Kansas. But this is where I stay when 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:50.320 I do it. It's twenty minutes outside of Kansas City. 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:52.760 Oh really, but this is like where the club I 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:58.040 do and where I stay. So this bar is called Austin's. 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:01.040 It's like two guys after work having some beers, and 1:29:01.120 --> 1:29:03.559 he started screaming at them to get out of his country. 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:07.920 So he shot eight rounds inside this restaurant. He killed 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:11.400 Kuchibolta and then wounded his friend Madissani. And then the 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:15.439 third man was Ian Grillo, and he was in his 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:17.960 early twenties and he was shot when he tried to 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:21.280 help stop this guy outside the bar and like try 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:24.960 to apprehend him. But Matsani said that Adam was sitting 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:27.800 alone and that him and his friend were together, and 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:30.040 he saw anger in his face when he approached, like 1:29:30.200 --> 1:29:33.040 these guys like immediately and you know, was like, are 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:36.320 you here legally? And according to the DOJ reported by 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:41.439 PBS that Adam then poked Kuchibolta in the chest, calling 1:29:41.520 --> 1:29:44.760 him a terrorist and other racist epithets and said get 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:47.439 out of my country. And then Ian, another bar patron, 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:51.040 took Adam out of the bar okay and then Madissani said, 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:52.720 other people kept coming up to them being like you 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:56.599 belong here. These people don't represent us, like like they 1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:57.640 were very supportive of. 1:29:57.680 --> 1:30:00.680 These two guys, these y because this man is absolutely 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:04.000 doing more for our country than this fucking guy. Oh wow. 1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:06.400 Always and then you see this guy's photo and you 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.040 guys should go to our instagram if you want to 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:10.720 see it. But it's like exactly this guy would do this, 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:13.320 you know what I mean. It's like a fucking just 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:21.000 disgusting loser. But this is what's wild. So he drove home, 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:26.560 retrieved the semi automatic pistol, put on different clothes to 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:31.160 disguise his identity, according to the Dua DJ, and then 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:34.400 thirty minutes later he returned and that's when he shot 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:36.760 the eight rounds at these two men. So it's like 1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:40.320 Ian did get him out of the bar and like 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:46.080 got him home. But then this motherfucker came back and not. 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:49.880 A fucking weasel. I mean, h this man looks like 1:30:49.960 --> 1:30:54.799 he could be like forty, but has done enough drugs 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:57.599 to make himself look like older. Like he just looks 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:02.120 like athead. I think disgusting, No, disgusting. 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:06.040 And then four of the bullets struck Kunchabolta and then 1:31:06.280 --> 1:31:09.679 he died later from his injuries. Matissani was shot once, 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:11.600 thankfully lived and he told the New York Times he 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:14.680 kept thinking about his pregnant wife and he really, you know, 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:19.200 held on. But as he fled at you know, this guy, 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:21.400 Ian tried to catch him, and that's when Adam shot 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:22.040 him as well. 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:23.000 Who did survive. 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:27.040 Kuchibolta left behind his loving wife, who is now you know, 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:31.800 a widow. Sunayana Dumala and classic story, young couple in 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:34.960 love coming to the States for postgraduate degrees and jobs. 1:31:35.080 --> 1:31:37.439 They were planning to have a family and make Kansas home. 1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:40.200 They had a great group of Indian friends. He liked 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:44.040 playing cricket, loved dinner parties. She said, you know, she 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:45.360 was home and she could not get a hold of 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:47.680 her husband or his friend, and she assumed, oh, they 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:48.639 probably grabbed a drink. 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:51.920 It was like super wildly warm. 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:54.200 It was winter, but it was in the seventies, so 1:31:54.439 --> 1:31:57.120 she's like, I'm sure he's just getting a beer, but like, 1:31:57.640 --> 1:32:00.760 what the fuck? And then she started just scrolling Facebook 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:04.760 and her kind of fears of like, why isn't he 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:07.439 hitting me back? It all kind of hit her. So 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:10.760 a news story pops up. Three shot at this bar, Austin's. 1:32:11.280 --> 1:32:12.080 She got scared. 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:14.840 She was all alone. She began to cry and like he. 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:17.080 Would have let her know if he was safe, like 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:21.759 she knows her husband, and yeah, people scattered. Vincent Baird, 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:24.360 who he was headed, This is strange. So he was 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:27.439 headed to the gas station across the street, then ran 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:28.639 towards the chaos to help. 1:32:28.680 --> 1:32:31.240 And he was an army medic. He went straight to 1:32:31.320 --> 1:32:33.559 the victim. But this is where I have an issue. 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:35.960 So he saw the gunshot wounded in the chest and 1:32:36.080 --> 1:32:39.599 I'm not an army medic, but like, with the help 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:41.960 of two others, he cut a four inch square from 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.160 an unused garbage bag and then taped it over Oh, 1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:44.720 never mind. 1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:45.720 I'm fine with all this. 1:32:48.080 --> 1:32:50.000 I thought he like cut into the skin like in 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:52.240 the movie Heat, And that's why I was just like, 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:54.240 what the fuck, Like you couldn't. 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:56.280 Wait a little bit for the EMTs. You're cutting into 1:32:56.360 --> 1:32:59.920 his chest, but I was just probably working on it. 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:02.000 It's too late, okay. So he just like cut a 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.479 piece from an unused garbage bag, taped it over the wound. 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:07.000 He checked for other wounds. There weren't any. He turned 1:33:07.080 --> 1:33:09.880 him on his side, and then he's like he stopped breathing, 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:12.200 and then with chest compressions, he would breathe, but then 1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:14.360 he would stop breathing, and the ambulance came. He was 1:33:14.439 --> 1:33:18.479 pronounced dead at the University of Kansas Hospital. H SO 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:22.640 police found Adam more than eighty miles away from the 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:25.800 crime scene and told officers that he had killed two 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:29.320 Middle Eastern men, like he didn't even know where care, 1:33:29.400 --> 1:33:32.080 Like these people are so fucking stupid, like stupid. Not 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:34.200 that it yeah, not that you should hate a Muslim 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:36.280 person or a Middle Eastern person or Indian, like none 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:39.360 of that matters, but it's like you don't even know who, why, 1:33:39.560 --> 1:33:40.080 what where? 1:33:40.240 --> 1:33:43.599 You fucking probably couldn't shit put any of these places 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:45.680 on a map, like does not know where anything is 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:47.120 or what I don't know. 1:33:47.160 --> 1:33:50.439 If I could either, I'll be honest, I still would 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:53.920 not commit a crime. They were both after work regulars 1:33:54.160 --> 1:33:56.599 like everyone. And then a few weeks prior to this incident, 1:33:56.720 --> 1:34:01.400 actually another regular said that he like came out to 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.080 the path, he came in from the patio to the 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:06.719 bar and goes, did you see the terrorists on the patio? 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:09.840 So he's had an issue with these guys for a while. 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:14.040 He was formally charged with pre meditated first degree murder 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:16.080 since he did go get the gun and come back, 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:20.559 two counts premeditated attempted murder charge and then federal hate 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:23.680 crime charges, and he did admit in open court that 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:26.280 he targeted the victims because of their race, color, and 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:29.599 national origin. And that's from the Justice Department via PBS. 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:33.040 May twenty eighteen, he agreed to a plea deal that 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:35.920 recommended the max sentence of life in prison without the 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:39.760 possibility of parole for the hate crime and firearm offenses 1:34:39.800 --> 1:34:43.960 against him. In turn, prosecutors agreed to not pursue the 1:34:44.040 --> 1:34:48.080 death sentence. He then also got sentenced to another sentence 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:50.400 of life in prison in August twenty eighteen for the 1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:53.479 state charges of murder and attempted murder, and those are 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:56.680 served consecutively. He's not getting out and go fuck you 1:34:56.880 --> 1:35:00.240 and you know, sorry, it's just like. 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:05.280 What tells these guys, like the dog whistles obviously, like 1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:09.400 something tells these guys like you're so important, You're so 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:13.600 brave and important, you need to go get rid of 1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:15.920 these people that are ruining the country, Like it's gotta 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:19.280 be you go home, go home, change your clothes, get 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:22.280 your gun, and come back and just get rid of 1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:27.920 Like it's so out of I would normally say only 1:35:27.960 --> 1:35:29.800 insane people would think like that, but then it's like, 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:32.040 I do think that a lot of the rhetoric from 1:35:32.760 --> 1:35:36.040 politicians on that side have told these men that that's 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:38.600 the truth. And then you see people like Kyle Rittenhouse 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:41.360 get out of jail or avoid jail time for it. 1:35:43.720 --> 1:35:47.439 You know, I do know. It's like, really, it's really upsetting. 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:52.000 So anyway, what's not upsetting is the amazing guests that 1:35:52.080 --> 1:35:54.639 we have coming up, So do not move a muscle. 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:06.120 Our guest today has starred on such shows as Never 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:08.400 Have I Ever and The Night Of and is currently 1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:11.519 starring in Deli Boys, But you know her best as 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:14.400 today a woman who's going through a lot of hard times. 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:18.640 Maya Samra please enjoy our chat with the fashionable and 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:22.320 fun Porna Jaggonathan. I don't know if we should just 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:24.519 start out with all of the mutual friends that we 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:27.479 have with you. Like I was just talking to my 1:36:27.560 --> 1:36:31.040 friend Emily Gordon. Oh my god, hie on On Jianny's 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:32.880 wife and my dear friend. Both of them are my 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:36.120 good friends, and she was like, she's so great. She 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:38.840 was like, she's into fashion. I go, well, I've googled her, 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:41.439 so obviously I can tell that, Like, you know, you're. 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:44.799 Really a fan of hers. 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:47.320 And you know who's the biggest fan of hers and 1:36:47.360 --> 1:36:50.200 starts crying when he talks about her is her husband. 1:36:50.360 --> 1:36:53.519 Oh I know, they're like the most in love people. 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:57.680 It's crazy, they're in love. They're so sweet about each other. 1:36:58.160 --> 1:37:01.080 And you know he's just gooley eyed around her. It's 1:37:01.080 --> 1:37:02.080 the sweetest thing to see. 1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:06.479 And then I really love Asafa and we yes, I 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:10.120 love Austin from stand up and I asked him to 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:13.880 send in a question give it to me, so he 1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:15.000 and I'm. 1:37:14.880 --> 1:37:18.000 On two percent and then this will be perfect. Yes, 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:20.200 let's get this question before Liza's full time. 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:24.960 He says that you have an amazed she she does 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:26.880 have an amazing story of being a guest star on 1:37:26.960 --> 1:37:31.160 a show and the experience was so wild that you 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:38.519 took time off of acting. Whoa, Oh my, it kind 1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:40.240 of froze. So I thought maybe it was like a 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:42.360 terrrible thing. And I was like, oh, should we have 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:43.880 not brought it up? So I was like to take 1:37:43.960 --> 1:37:44.840 time off for that long? 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:48.759 You know, but oh my god, I blame Hugh Grant. 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:49.639 Did you know the story? 1:37:49.840 --> 1:37:52.519 No, I can't wait to know it. Oh my god. 1:37:53.479 --> 1:37:57.240 So my story is that I didn't become an actor 1:37:57.360 --> 1:38:01.360 till my thirties. Like I quit advertised at thirty, and 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:05.360 I was like, I really want to try this acting thing. 1:38:05.800 --> 1:38:08.639 But I'd never acted before, I'd never trained before. 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:12.400 I'd taken some like classes in college, and you know, 1:38:12.560 --> 1:38:14.800 it was awful, but I was I was just like, 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:20.000 how can I figure out if I am good or not? Right? 1:38:20.640 --> 1:38:24.400 So I went in for my graduate Like I started 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:27.200 doing a graduate degree from a place called the Actors Studio, 1:38:27.479 --> 1:38:31.360 And they have guests every week, right, And one of 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:36.160 the guests was Hugh Grant and one you know, after 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:39.679 he talks, the students get to ask questions. 1:38:39.760 --> 1:38:43.320 This is year one, I know, not think about acting. 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:48.040 And someone asking about his rehearsal process on Nodding Hill 1:38:48.120 --> 1:38:49.800 with Juliet Roberts, and. 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:53.000 He said, what I love about Julia is she's. 1:38:52.800 --> 1:38:53.360 A lot like me. 1:38:53.560 --> 1:38:55.880 We don't really like we mumble for our auditions. 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:59.200 And you know, as an acting student, you're like, what 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:03.760 do you mean you mumble like we sat and he said, 1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:06.640 we mumbled through our rehearsal, like we mumbled through our rehearsals, 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:07.479 like you'd. 1:39:07.240 --> 1:39:09.160 Get kicked out of your certain production, Like that's not 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:12.360 an option, and he said these words. 1:39:12.400 --> 1:39:15.120 He said, Well, we just like to not really know 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:17.479 our lines that much because I like to keep it 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:18.679 fresh as a daisy. 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:20.759 Those are the words he used. 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:26.439 Okay, I get cast in one of the biggest parts ever, 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:30.559 my first of my probably my career in Law and Order, 1:39:31.000 --> 1:39:35.160 the original, and I show up without knowing my lines. 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:40.400 Oh no, because I want to keep it fresh as 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:40.760 a daizy. 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:43.280 Wow. 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:49.160 And and Law and orderly Yeah. 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:52.679 And for whatever reason, I had page after page after 1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:54.360 page of dialogue. 1:39:54.439 --> 1:39:56.040 It's a huge ass part. 1:39:56.720 --> 1:39:58.240 And I kind of knew it because I did it 1:39:58.320 --> 1:40:00.840 for the audition, but the writer also one of his 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:03.240 first things, so he changed it a lot. And I 1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:07.120 was balancing my advertising career also had a huge project you, 1:40:08.040 --> 1:40:10.000 so I was just like, I'll just you know, fresh 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.040 as a daisy it. I show up with that nomal 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:16.400 lines and the guy, why am I forgetting his name? 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:19.720 The older guy who died recently, not recently, like ten years, 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:26.040 eight years ago, Jerry. He screamed at me, Oh no, 1:40:27.080 --> 1:40:30.920 apparently he's the nicest guy in the world. And he's like, 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:33.640 now then you show up to said, we are not 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:34.759 in your line. 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:37.559 This is crazy to me. And it's the coldest day 1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:39.519 in New York. We're doing an outdoor scene. 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:48.679 It's oh my god. I like, that's like, so what happened. 1:40:50.360 --> 1:40:52.000 I don't know how I got through it? 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:55.680 Yeah, And you know, I numbed out that. You know, 1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:58.960 my my biggest gift is the gift of complete association. 1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:02.720 So I come leave numb doubt and I don't know 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:05.120 how I got through it. And it was a scene 1:41:05.160 --> 1:41:07.320 where they come and tell me my boyfriend is killed. 1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:11.920 Completely numb emotionally, I was like, Okay, like no emotion 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:14.040 at all, the worst performance. 1:41:13.600 --> 1:41:14.200 Of my life. 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:18.320 Couldn't couldn't really, I just couldn't act. And you know, 1:41:18.360 --> 1:41:20.920 it was my first gig after being in school for 1:41:20.960 --> 1:41:23.360 a couple of months, and it was awful, and I 1:41:23.479 --> 1:41:25.519 just stopped acting. I was like, this is not obviously, 1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:29.240 this is not for me. And it took me so 1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:31.599 much a long time to get myself back in there, 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:34.800 maybe a year or so. And so when I got 1:41:34.880 --> 1:41:38.519 on Law and Order SVU and there were so many 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:44.240 lines I could have done them backwards and forwards and 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:45.240 in any language. 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:46.240 I knew them so well. 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:52.160 Never gonna happen again, not on your own, it's universe. 1:41:52.600 --> 1:41:54.600 But what was the thing that got you back in 1:41:54.760 --> 1:41:55.360 after that year? 1:41:56.520 --> 1:41:57.680 You know I was. 1:41:57.960 --> 1:41:58.679 I was terrified. 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:01.160 I mean what the other story that they didn't tell 1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:03.360 you is that I'd never been on a set like 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:06.000 you guys don't understand what that means, Like I don't. 1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:08.880 I haven't. I hadn't been around an act like Bradley 1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:11.360 Cooper went to school at the Actors Studio. 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:13.200 So he came and spoke to us, and that's like 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:16.200 the second time my life I've ever seen an actor. 1:42:16.360 --> 1:42:17.800 You know what, I mean the first one when I 1:42:17.920 --> 1:42:21.560 was like seven years old. I went to set and 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:23.719 then you know, I did a costume fitting and weak. 1:42:23.880 --> 1:42:25.600 It was kind of my style, used to wear a 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:28.760 skirt over pants, but I'd also bought a really cute 1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:30.800 skirt the other day. So I come out of the 1:42:30.840 --> 1:42:32.519 trail and go to set in my own clothes. 1:42:34.240 --> 1:42:36.040 This is not the law in order that you did. 1:42:36.240 --> 1:42:37.320 Did they say something? 1:42:38.080 --> 1:42:40.840 She didn't say anything because she had never seen anything 1:42:41.000 --> 1:42:45.120 like that, and she was dumb struck, so she didn't 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:47.160 raise her voice anything. She just said, you need to 1:42:47.200 --> 1:42:49.720 go back and change. This has never happened in my career. 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:51.240 She was just very calm, and I was. 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:55.280 Like, oh, oh I had. I was like, I didn't 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:56.280 know what a mark was. 1:42:56.400 --> 1:42:58.680 Well, I guess the actors studio didn't really teach you 1:42:58.800 --> 1:42:59.559 the right stuff. 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:02.120 They were just you know, it was theater. It was 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:04.719 theater training. I did you know, you don't train for film. 1:43:04.760 --> 1:43:07.599 You don't know you're not getting film and TV training. 1:43:08.080 --> 1:43:10.120 You have no idea what's going on. I didn't. 1:43:10.120 --> 1:43:13.920 When they called action, I basically I blew my wad 1:43:14.040 --> 1:43:16.559 during rehearsal, like the emotional wand and I had enough 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:20.320 it was a comp Everything that can go wrong went 1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:22.400 wrong with my first gig, and it took me a 1:43:22.479 --> 1:43:24.280 lot of a lot of time and a lot of 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:26.280 healing and a lot of like courage. 1:43:26.000 --> 1:43:28.840 To get back. But and yet they had you on 1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:31.839 criminal intent like a couple of years later. So obviously 1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:36.200 you didn't make too bad of an impression. I must have. 1:43:37.400 --> 1:43:39.120 I mean, I think they just all they see so 1:43:39.240 --> 1:43:41.080 many actors, they just got all confused. 1:43:41.160 --> 1:43:43.599 Yeah. Yeah, they were like, what it was a small 1:43:43.680 --> 1:43:44.240 doctor role. 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:47.080 And that was funny because it was a doctor role 1:43:47.240 --> 1:43:50.360 and they called it doctor Sikh, and you know, seek 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:51.080 is a religion. 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.840 It's like being called doctor Muslim or doctor Jew or 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:54.200 something like that. 1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:57.960 So it was like it was a small role, small 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:00.240 doctor role, which by then I had, you know, done 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:02.200 a couple and they were under my belt. But that 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:06.439 I know, and re entering the universe with SVU was 1:44:06.760 --> 1:44:07.560 the scary for me. 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:11.920 Oh my gosh, I'm scary though. It's like a very intense. 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:14.840 But before we move on to your sv episode, I 1:44:14.960 --> 1:44:16.559 was just going to tell you that you're not alone 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:19.680 in this bad advice or tell me because we had 1:44:19.840 --> 1:44:23.920 Kathy Griffin on our podcast and she was, you know, 1:44:24.040 --> 1:44:27.000 friends with the late great Robin Williams, who basically pranked 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:29.960 her and told her, oh, they love to play around 1:44:30.000 --> 1:44:33.320 on on Law and Order. Just don't even just improvise, 1:44:33.520 --> 1:44:36.439 say what you want. They love that. And Christopher Maloney 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:39.880 got like furious, like you're your situation with Orbach Like 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:41.640 he was like, why aren't you saying the lines that 1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:44.479 are written? Like I guess he went, we don't do 1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:47.920 that here. Yes, I think of all shows, that show 1:44:48.080 --> 1:44:50.519 is really stick to what's on the page, like. 1:44:50.960 --> 1:44:55.960 So, I mean, the strip supervisor was right here the 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:56.639 entire time. 1:44:56.720 --> 1:44:58.040 She was right here. 1:44:58.760 --> 1:45:01.080 She she just couldn't believe, but no one could believe 1:45:01.120 --> 1:45:03.720 what was happening in front of them was awful. Oh 1:45:03.800 --> 1:45:06.479 my god, I've never been on a stricter set than 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:08.040 Law and Order in terms of lines. 1:45:08.200 --> 1:45:09.080 That's the crazy part. 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:13.160 That's good to have such a strict the first time, 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:15.880 and this kind of happened because I'm sure you're so 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:20.240 prepared for every like sure that changed everything, they changed 1:45:20.400 --> 1:45:21.000 and everything. 1:45:21.200 --> 1:45:23.400 Have you ever seen Hugh Grant since you could tell 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:24.360 him I. 1:45:24.640 --> 1:45:28.759 Didn't dying, just tell us you good, I am dying. 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:32.439 I think he's an evil little man like I think 1:45:32.479 --> 1:45:37.080 he would really laugh. I mean, I'm a fan, but yeah, I. 1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:41.000 Think like years on I kind of realized what he 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:45.680 was saying, which is, you know, keep it, don't like 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:47.040 edge with the lines. 1:45:47.080 --> 1:45:49.080 I kind of know it, but don't really know it 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:50.960 until like the correct moments here. 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:54.400 So even now when I rehearsed, when I've learned my lines, 1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:57.840 I am literally truly completely off book the night before, 1:45:57.920 --> 1:46:00.640 although I've been rehearsing for a month. Right, It's like 1:46:00.840 --> 1:46:03.920 that thing of you know, trying to not know it 1:46:04.040 --> 1:46:06.160 perfectly until the last minute so you can. 1:46:07.360 --> 1:46:09.760 So it feels very natural. I think that's what he meant. 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:12.240 But it took me like twenty years of training to 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:15.920 understand that. So as a as a young woman in 1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:20.240 her you know, I was like thirty maybe one when 1:46:20.280 --> 1:46:21.120 I got that advice. 1:46:21.920 --> 1:46:24.080 It just killed me. Wait and I'm sorry, do you 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:26.840 guys know that you have started a movie together? Oh yeah, 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:27.559 I'm in good Rich. 1:46:28.760 --> 1:46:29.400 I didn't know that. 1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:32.200 Yeah, they cut all my fun but I have like 1:46:32.320 --> 1:46:34.479 one little line of a stand up in it, and 1:46:34.720 --> 1:46:36.160 it is with Michael Keaton. 1:46:36.160 --> 1:46:37.800 And so I got to have a day with Michael. 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:40.759 Keaton, I know, So did I I took the project 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:41.320 because of that. 1:46:41.920 --> 1:46:46.400 Yeah, I was really exciting, and the fucking DP was 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:51.000 so hot, Like do you remember everyone I do? 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:53.040 And the director was awesome. 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:56.639 Yeah, Kitty. Do you look back on advertising in any 1:46:56.760 --> 1:46:57.560 fond way or no? 1:46:58.800 --> 1:47:01.240 Do you know? I all always will say it was 1:47:01.280 --> 1:47:05.839 an amazing experience because I had the best of everything. 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:10.480 I had the best clients, best bosses, best views, best offices, 1:47:10.600 --> 1:47:12.679 best expense account was in the time where they didn't 1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:13.880 check your expense account at all. 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:17.160 It wasn't a lot of. 1:47:17.200 --> 1:47:19.920 Time those because it is a rom com job, you know, 1:47:20.200 --> 1:47:23.840 like advertising like it is. I did it to be 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:26.160 at the height of expense accounts. That's pretty fun. 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:28.400 I mean when I met my husband, he was like, 1:47:28.840 --> 1:47:31.880 this is though, I'm going to marry this woman, like 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:34.040 just any anything with an expense account. 1:47:34.680 --> 1:47:35.320 And then. 1:47:37.160 --> 1:47:39.639 I you know, I always say I had the best 1:47:39.880 --> 1:47:42.439 of everything, and I feel like the universe gave me 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:44.760 the best of everything just to show me that it 1:47:44.880 --> 1:47:48.439 wasn't enough, you know. I never I had that weird 1:47:48.560 --> 1:47:51.679 feeling on Friday, that relief and that sense of dread 1:47:51.800 --> 1:47:55.560 on Sunday, and I never got rid of it. I 1:47:55.800 --> 1:47:59.040 never I never got rid of it, and then you know, 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:03.160 just to getting you know, I would do this trick 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:05.560 and advertise, which is like it was getting harder and 1:48:05.720 --> 1:48:07.400 harder and harder for me to wake up to go 1:48:07.520 --> 1:48:10.320 to work like I was, you know, started getting really disconnected. 1:48:11.000 --> 1:48:14.080 And I had this trick where someone would call me saying, hey, 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:16.040 can I do a meeting at nine thirty with you? 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:19.639 And I'd be like, I only have two openings, ones 1:48:19.680 --> 1:48:22.280 at seven thirty am and ones at eleven thirty, so 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:24.560 you know which one, and no one is going to 1:48:24.600 --> 1:48:25.960 come in at seven thirty to take a meeting, so 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:29.120 they take the eleven thirty meetings, So my day only 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:32.479 started eleven thirty. I always gave the perception to people 1:48:32.560 --> 1:48:35.720 that my day actually started seven thirty. And I can 1:48:36.040 --> 1:48:40.200 continue doing the least amount of work in advertising in 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:43.080 my till today. My friends, you know, when I became 1:48:43.120 --> 1:48:46.479 an actor, I start my own brand consulting just to 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:50.400 make ends meet and my friends from advertising with the 1:48:50.439 --> 1:48:53.120 people who always sustained me and always threw me freelance 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:55.880 work and always kept me afloat until ten years ago 1:48:56.000 --> 1:48:56.519 when I quit. 1:48:57.240 --> 1:49:00.120 Yeah, wow, and then how were well, how did the 1:49:00.120 --> 1:49:02.880 people in your life react to the career change. 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:09.040 I mean it was so slow, Like I don't think 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:12.280 book initially, when I first started, like you know, fifteen 1:49:12.360 --> 1:49:14.800 eighteen years ago, it'd be like two gigs, you know, 1:49:15.280 --> 1:49:16.800 two lines per year. 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:17.280 That's it. 1:49:17.400 --> 1:49:18.240 It was so slow. 1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:21.240 And then I actually got a bit of a break 1:49:21.360 --> 1:49:26.760 doing a Bollywood movie. It was an independent Bollywood movie 1:49:26.800 --> 1:49:32.640 called Deli Belly and that just that was crazy. That 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:36.439 was one of the most popular movies ever and so 1:49:36.760 --> 1:49:39.400 that and you know, that was a really huge role 1:49:39.560 --> 1:49:42.120 and it was outside of what I was playing. It 1:49:42.240 --> 1:49:44.639 was not a doctor, wasn't a warwyor it wasn't a nurse. 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:46.680 The stuff that I was getting cast in, you know, 1:49:47.000 --> 1:49:51.719 in the States for it was like a very very funny, 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:56.599 dark comedy, progressive movie. And a lot of my offers 1:49:56.640 --> 1:49:59.559 started coming out from India after that. So we all 1:49:59.640 --> 1:50:02.120 moved India for four years and I did Bollywood for 1:50:02.200 --> 1:50:05.000 four years. But while I wasn't India, I booked The 1:50:05.120 --> 1:50:07.519 Native and I think that really, which like was a 1:50:07.960 --> 1:50:09.080 pivotal change for me. 1:50:09.439 --> 1:50:12.240 Was such an amazing show, Like I was so so 1:50:12.400 --> 1:50:15.320 amazing right wait by that show, and I was like 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:19.080 Rizaman is a star. I mean you were fantastic in it. 1:50:19.320 --> 1:50:21.880 You were amazing in it. But like he was, I 1:50:22.080 --> 1:50:26.080 was like, this guy is so good. That show was 1:50:26.400 --> 1:50:28.560 had me in a choke hold. I was wait, I 1:50:28.680 --> 1:50:32.519 haven't watched it. Maybe that's what that's gonna get me. Lisa. 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:35.240 It's like, it's like, well, and I see John Chico 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:36.080 is one of my face. 1:50:37.439 --> 1:50:38.000 I don't see you. 1:50:38.360 --> 1:50:40.519 I think the pilot of that show is one of 1:50:40.560 --> 1:50:41.720 the best pilots of TV. 1:50:42.200 --> 1:50:43.880 No, I'm gonna love it. I I don't know why. 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:45.960 I was probably being annoying, like everyone loved it. So 1:50:46.000 --> 1:50:47.120 I was like, I'll watch it later. 1:50:47.240 --> 1:50:51.000 But uh, you just don't know what's gonna happen, Like 1:50:51.160 --> 1:50:53.720 you're really like, how is this going to end up? 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:57.599 I'm excited, really good? So what did Marishka? So Marishka 1:50:57.720 --> 1:50:59.040 saw that and how did she? 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:03.560 Yeah, what was I think she saw a genre that 1:51:03.800 --> 1:51:10.200 was very close to hers and she was just very 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:11.160 inspired by it. 1:51:11.920 --> 1:51:14.880 She was very very inspired by this thing that was 1:51:15.000 --> 1:51:19.280 adjacent and felt like a world and she was she 1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:24.439 was he was captivated by it. And and so when 1:51:24.520 --> 1:51:27.639 this opportunity she you know, came up in the script, 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:31.680 she told them to reach out to me, and that's. 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:32.320 How I got the part. 1:51:32.520 --> 1:51:34.280 And you know, when I met her on set, we 1:51:35.520 --> 1:51:38.439 we every every moment on set where we had a 1:51:38.479 --> 1:51:41.439 bit of downtime, we were just talking about the Night Of, 1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:46.320 but you know, the the you know, the similarities and 1:51:47.479 --> 1:51:49.920 Night Off is a very kind of artistic take on 1:51:50.800 --> 1:51:52.559 SU almost it's a very kind. 1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:56.240 Of like it's not you know, HBO can do what 1:51:56.439 --> 1:51:58.880 what NBC really kind of can't in a lot of ways. 1:51:59.439 --> 1:52:02.439 Now when you get the scripts, Like, you know, SVU 1:52:02.600 --> 1:52:05.599 is an intense show. There's a lot of crimes all 1:52:05.840 --> 1:52:09.200 these years, but this is a really difficult watch. It's 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:12.640 like an intense and it starts intense and in a 1:52:12.720 --> 1:52:14.080 few episodes it's. 1:52:14.040 --> 1:52:18.040 Like double the trauma, double the like crime, you know, 1:52:18.640 --> 1:52:21.880 because I think to sustain the story over two episodes, 1:52:21.920 --> 1:52:25.519 they had so many twists and this poor family more 1:52:25.560 --> 1:52:28.360 awful things keep happening to them, like every ten minutes, 1:52:29.200 --> 1:52:32.920 and it's twenty seventeen and it's like could be made today, 1:52:33.040 --> 1:52:35.800 which is off full. It's always with SVU, we say, 1:52:35.800 --> 1:52:37.720 it's like always ahead of its time, but then yeah, 1:52:38.040 --> 1:52:42.760 always relevant for some reason. Yeah, but like what were 1:52:42.880 --> 1:52:45.160 your initial thoughts when you read the script. 1:52:45.880 --> 1:52:47.479 Well, I always want to be on SVU. 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:50.439 I'm a survivor of sexual assault, and for me, Murushka 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:54.320 has always been like such a guiding light, you know, 1:52:54.520 --> 1:52:58.639 in our lives. Just as someone who you know as 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:03.559 as Avie, you just you look at justice as very 1:53:05.000 --> 1:53:07.800 you don't feel it exists, you know, and even if 1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:10.519 you go through a system or whatever, there's there's such 1:53:11.400 --> 1:53:16.439 there's such a lack of feeling like what you know, 1:53:16.560 --> 1:53:19.120 you don't know what justice looks like anymore when you're 1:53:19.160 --> 1:53:21.680 a survivor. And yet there's this figure on TV who 1:53:21.800 --> 1:53:25.080 knows exactly what it looks like and exactly when it's 1:53:25.160 --> 1:53:27.760 delivered and exactly when it's not delivered. There's like a 1:53:27.840 --> 1:53:33.799 black and whiteness to her. Uh, She's able to hold 1:53:35.360 --> 1:53:39.360 what's right always, you know. And so I've always always 1:53:39.479 --> 1:53:41.840 always wanted to be like on that show. It's like 1:53:42.240 --> 1:53:45.320 it was a career highlight. And just to meet this 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:49.160 woman and person who not only comes across as empathetic 1:53:49.240 --> 1:53:53.439 on screen, but who is truly truly an angel in 1:53:53.520 --> 1:53:56.439 real life. You know, we're good friends. I'm on the 1:53:56.479 --> 1:54:00.760 board of the Joyful Heart Foundation now and and I 1:54:01.040 --> 1:54:06.080 cannot speak higher of anyone in the business than her. 1:54:06.320 --> 1:54:11.080 She is, She is that person. She knows, she's the 1:54:11.240 --> 1:54:13.639 adult who will always know what is right and wrong. 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:16.800 She she knows that. 1:54:17.160 --> 1:54:17.320 You know. 1:54:17.800 --> 1:54:21.599 The quote is our children are allowed to push boundaries, 1:54:21.640 --> 1:54:24.280 and it's the adult who knows not to trespass them, 1:54:25.280 --> 1:54:25.439 you know. 1:54:25.520 --> 1:54:28.000 She she really understands that. So it was a very 1:54:28.160 --> 1:54:31.439 kind of it was we when I got on. 1:54:31.520 --> 1:54:33.440 Set, it was like we had known each other for 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:36.680 years and we really remained friends for we have remained 1:54:36.720 --> 1:54:38.720 friends since since being on that show. 1:54:39.760 --> 1:54:43.760 Yeah, that's yeah, Because I was reading about the play 1:54:44.000 --> 1:54:46.320 that you were in the near back Nearbaia. 1:54:47.720 --> 1:54:50.680 Oh my god, you pronounced it perfectly and. 1:54:52.200 --> 1:54:58.320 Just sounded like it was a really impactful play for Yeah, 1:54:58.480 --> 1:55:01.920 you know it did it tour in the US or 1:55:02.040 --> 1:55:02.960 in India or both? 1:55:03.840 --> 1:55:04.840 It toured around the world? 1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:05.280 Oh wow? 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:07.480 Yeah, and yeah, I toured around the world. 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:07.640 You know. 1:55:07.720 --> 1:55:10.040 It just feels like another thing that's kind of joining 1:55:10.480 --> 1:55:13.560 SVU and Night of or any of these like kind 1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:18.120 of things that explore violence against women and how these 1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:20.560 things and the justice system in some ways. 1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:24.720 Right in the play, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. 1:55:24.840 --> 1:55:26.520 Okay, first of all, I have to say that I 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:30.280 love the name of your Instagram is pornography, which is 1:55:30.720 --> 1:55:34.200 very clever, and I love that. And I did scroll 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:37.280 all the way back to many minutes because I was 1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:40.280 you know, sometimes people when we interview actors, they've posted 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:43.360 when their episode aired or like bts and so you 1:55:43.440 --> 1:55:46.560 had a picture of like you and Marishka and maybe 1:55:46.640 --> 1:55:49.960 Peter Herman. Yes, oh my god, it was and I 1:55:50.120 --> 1:55:51.960 was like, there it is. It's way back at the 1:55:52.160 --> 1:55:54.440 it's way back in the twenty sixteen archives of the 1:55:54.480 --> 1:56:00.320 pornography page. But love Fest, Yeah, seems like it was, 1:56:01.160 --> 1:56:04.240 which is nice to hear because when you're watching your 1:56:04.320 --> 1:56:08.440 character just literally have her life kind of destroyed every 1:56:08.680 --> 1:56:11.440 other moment, it's like nice that when the cameras were off, 1:56:11.520 --> 1:56:13.640 you guys were like buddies and having fun. 1:56:13.840 --> 1:56:14.080 Yeah. 1:56:14.600 --> 1:56:15.720 Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. 1:56:15.840 --> 1:56:18.400 I mean, I mean when I say in you my lines, 1:56:18.480 --> 1:56:21.480 I'm like, no, Like I could have been having a 1:56:21.600 --> 1:56:23.600 heart attack and I still know all my lines, Like 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:26.520 I could have enough epileptic fit and I know my lines. 1:56:26.720 --> 1:56:28.880 I was dreaming them, eating them, drinking them. 1:56:29.760 --> 1:56:33.840 Yeah, you were great, because I really, like I wanted 1:56:33.880 --> 1:56:36.160 them to just let it go with the perjury. At 1:56:36.200 --> 1:56:38.920 the end, I was like, to let it go. They 1:56:39.040 --> 1:56:41.080 did it like we let it go. But we have 1:56:41.240 --> 1:56:44.720 to keep the integrity of these at least in this 1:56:45.120 --> 1:56:48.680 justice system, which we know is a fantasy. They have 1:56:48.880 --> 1:56:50.680 to sit corners. 1:56:51.320 --> 1:56:54.160 But it's important to have that fantasy, you know, it's 1:56:54.200 --> 1:56:59.200 important to have something even if it's fictional that looks 1:56:59.360 --> 1:57:02.920 like just this, we don't we actually don't get anywhere near. 1:57:02.880 --> 1:57:05.320 It in real life, but it's important to hold the fantasy. 1:57:07.000 --> 1:57:13.240 Yeah, any other things you remember from sets, stories, part 1:57:13.320 --> 1:57:14.120 of the work. 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:20.280 I just think, oh yeah, the way I think. I mean, 1:57:20.360 --> 1:57:22.040 I remember Rowlas Baranza. 1:57:24.320 --> 1:57:25.480 I just really love him. 1:57:25.480 --> 1:57:28.120 And he had I had my scene and he had 1:57:28.160 --> 1:57:30.520 a play to go to and we were running a 1:57:30.560 --> 1:57:35.560 little over and they had done his coverage and it 1:57:35.680 --> 1:57:37.000 was my coverage, and. 1:57:38.840 --> 1:57:40.520 He just was like, no, I'm going to miss the play. 1:57:40.840 --> 1:57:42.240 I'm going to be there for your coverage. 1:57:42.800 --> 1:57:46.360 So it was it was an extraordinary They're all extraordinary, 1:57:47.480 --> 1:57:51.120 extraordinary actors and extra Kelly Giddish just just everyone. We 1:57:52.080 --> 1:57:55.240 spend so much loving time together and you know, I 1:57:55.560 --> 1:57:58.440 will go back to the SVU said and see them 1:57:58.560 --> 1:58:00.720 pretty often and it's oh yeah, I don't. 1:58:01.560 --> 1:58:04.960 Yeah, I can't tell you how how very very special 1:58:05.040 --> 1:58:07.960 it is. I can't. I don't have enough words. 1:58:08.080 --> 1:58:10.040 And you know, there's not one person who will tell 1:58:10.080 --> 1:58:13.880 you otherwise I wonder if there is actually but it's 1:58:13.920 --> 1:58:14.720 a very well. 1:58:14.600 --> 1:58:17.760 We've interviewed a lot of people and not really nobody's 1:58:17.800 --> 1:58:23.040 really say anything bad, and people about Marishka unprompted, you know. 1:58:23.240 --> 1:58:27.640 So unprompted. And it's also like, for me, it's what 1:58:28.360 --> 1:58:32.200 female leadership actually looks like. You know, you don't see 1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:35.440 great examples of it anywhere. It's a it's a set 1:58:35.760 --> 1:58:42.320 that is led with empathy and kindness and compassion. 1:58:42.120 --> 1:58:43.920 And rigor and. 1:58:45.880 --> 1:58:50.680 And just a sort of fierce, loving leadership that doesn't 1:58:50.720 --> 1:58:53.400 exist on many sets and doesn't exist in many. 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:54.080 Places in the world. 1:58:54.160 --> 1:58:57.240 And I think it has to be the explanation of 1:58:57.360 --> 1:58:59.480 the longevity of the show. I mean, there's kind of 1:59:00.240 --> 1:59:02.760 no way that it would be heading into season twenty 1:59:02.840 --> 1:59:05.480 eight soon if it wasn't for that like it was, 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:09.440 and that her being like the guiding like the steward 1:59:09.520 --> 1:59:12.680 of that ship. Because we I mean, there's a million 1:59:12.760 --> 1:59:14.720 shows that are classics. Everyone loves them and they're like, 1:59:14.760 --> 1:59:17.680 oh yeah, the main. Sorry, but usually man on the 1:59:17.760 --> 1:59:21.440 show was a nightmare. And that's why, like you know, 1:59:21.600 --> 1:59:23.720 at season nine, everyone was over it, you know, like 1:59:23.960 --> 1:59:26.280 it'll think things good to go. Yeah, you just cannot 1:59:26.360 --> 1:59:29.680 last that long with like a toxic lead or whatever. 1:59:30.000 --> 1:59:33.080 I agree now, no one wants to come to work 1:59:33.160 --> 1:59:34.960 with a toxic lead. No one wants it. 1:59:35.480 --> 1:59:39.000 This episode actually does a good job of Usually Benson 1:59:39.040 --> 1:59:41.720 gets through places and she gets stopped so much. You know, 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:44.600 the fact that the sun does get deported is like. 1:59:46.160 --> 1:59:51.880 That was really heartbreak, and I was, yeah, it was heartbreaking. 1:59:52.160 --> 1:59:54.560 Or even the sea, Oh yeah, I remember a really 1:59:54.600 --> 1:59:56.480 interesting thing, which is a costume. 1:59:57.160 --> 1:59:58.800 This time I didn't come with my own costume. 1:59:58.840 --> 1:59:59.480 It's just just so. 2:00:01.080 --> 2:00:06.120 But the costume designer and I were talking. She did 2:00:06.200 --> 2:00:10.320 two really cool things. She did one where we were 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:13.360 just I was going to be in the hospital and 2:00:13.640 --> 2:00:18.000 my hit job was ripped off, and so we were 2:00:18.640 --> 2:00:21.920 talking about how do you get like what is the 2:00:22.360 --> 2:00:25.160 state of the hit job when you're being questioned the hospital? 2:00:25.200 --> 2:00:28.520 And then she said, maybe we use the hospital cloth 2:00:28.640 --> 2:00:30.320 and put it on it as a hit job, right, 2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:32.480 just to give you that. And I thought it was 2:00:32.520 --> 2:00:35.800 such a beautiful touch. Right, just to use a thing 2:00:35.920 --> 2:00:39.200 that someone hands me, something I can recover my my 2:00:39.360 --> 2:00:42.480 head with it. It was really beautiful. And then for 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:46.760 the courtroom scene, she wanted something really really special for 2:00:46.880 --> 2:00:50.280 me to feel really kind of like a big big deal. 2:00:50.480 --> 2:00:52.760 And one of my favorite New York brands is Nearly 2:00:52.840 --> 2:00:56.040 low Tan. So she went and got me this really 2:00:56.360 --> 2:01:00.720 expensive shirt from Nellie low Tan and she just you know, 2:01:00.920 --> 2:01:03.280 I didn't go home with it, but I I had 2:01:03.320 --> 2:01:06.000 it for the scene. It was just like these massive 2:01:06.120 --> 2:01:10.880 acts of care that that went into every aspect of it. 2:01:12.000 --> 2:01:16.600 Yeah, we're getting I mean details. I wanted to ask 2:01:16.760 --> 2:01:21.640 you about accents. Like, first of yes, you looking up 2:01:21.800 --> 2:01:27.640 your background. You grew up in India but also Pakistan, Ireland, Brazil, Argentina. 2:01:27.760 --> 2:01:30.080 You speak like five language, six languages. I don't know 2:01:31.760 --> 2:01:35.560 when how did you like Your accent sounds very kind 2:01:35.600 --> 2:01:39.080 of like neutral to me, So I'm wondering, like how 2:01:39.160 --> 2:01:42.760 your accent like evolved. And then separately, what is your 2:01:42.840 --> 2:01:45.720 feeling of like when you have a part that requires 2:01:45.760 --> 2:01:50.120 an accent, like you know, like deciding how you're like 2:01:50.200 --> 2:01:52.080 you want to you know, like you're not from Damas, 2:01:52.680 --> 2:01:55.160 Like did you learn a Syrian accent for this and 2:01:55.280 --> 2:01:56.320 then you. 2:01:56.360 --> 2:02:00.000 Know, yeah, I sat with I want a Middle East 2:02:00.080 --> 2:02:02.760 stern accent, so I said, you know the comedian ramy 2:02:03.040 --> 2:02:06.320 mm hmm. Yeah yeah, So him and I just spent 2:02:06.440 --> 2:02:09.960 hours just really for this particular episode. 2:02:10.240 --> 2:02:12.560 Oh my gosh. Really yeah, just. 2:02:12.640 --> 2:02:15.879 Kind of going through the lines and nailing the accent. 2:02:16.000 --> 2:02:18.160 A lot of listening to tape, a lot of listening 2:02:18.240 --> 2:02:21.440 to news and getting it. But you know, my accent 2:02:21.560 --> 2:02:24.400 is very contextual. So when I'm seeking to my husband, 2:02:24.600 --> 2:02:28.560 who is like has a pretty strong Indian accent, my 2:02:28.720 --> 2:02:31.400 accent will be much more Indian. When I'm speaking to 2:02:31.480 --> 2:02:34.680 someone from South America, It'll it'll become a lot more 2:02:34.880 --> 2:02:38.880 like little Tea and sing song Gie. The second I 2:02:38.960 --> 2:02:40.680 meete a British person, I have to really hold on 2:02:40.800 --> 2:02:45.400 to myself otherwise my whole like weird Irish. I just 2:02:45.480 --> 2:02:48.640 went to Ireland for a visit, and you know, I 2:02:48.880 --> 2:02:51.800 just my, my, my, I just start doing weird things 2:02:52.080 --> 2:02:54.560 because you know, I was living in Ireland until I 2:02:54.680 --> 2:02:57.360 was nine, like five to nine, and I spoke with 2:02:57.800 --> 2:03:03.160 such an incomprehensibly heavy Irish accent. Yeah, so it's definitely 2:03:03.280 --> 2:03:07.240 somewhere always in my body and like or in Brazil, 2:03:07.360 --> 2:03:10.840 like I was speaking flint Portuguese, but it's been you know, 2:03:11.120 --> 2:03:15.000 thirty years since I lived there, so I can understand it, 2:03:15.160 --> 2:03:17.440 and it takes me a long time to start speaking 2:03:17.520 --> 2:03:18.120 it again. 2:03:19.360 --> 2:03:20.200 You know, stuff like that. 2:03:20.440 --> 2:03:24.040 So I would say, in my thirties, I fluently spoke 2:03:24.120 --> 2:03:25.880 many many languages, but now in my. 2:03:26.000 --> 2:03:28.400 Fifties, I'm fluent. 2:03:28.840 --> 2:03:33.160 I can understand a lot fluently, but speaking I take, 2:03:33.360 --> 2:03:35.480 I take a lot more time to get back into it. 2:03:36.200 --> 2:03:39.600 Yeah. Yeah, we spoke to like aust If Monvee about 2:03:39.680 --> 2:03:42.000 accent stuff and like some of what did he say? 2:03:42.440 --> 2:03:45.720 He well, he was saying like there was He's like 2:03:45.800 --> 2:03:48.280 because he was on his view early early, like I said, 2:03:48.280 --> 2:03:51.200 I think season three or something, and in the city. 2:03:51.120 --> 2:03:53.840 Or really early too, not early, it's actually later sex 2:03:53.880 --> 2:03:55.640 in the city, but it's important to me. 2:03:56.320 --> 2:04:00.720 But he does an Indian accent and then he I think, 2:04:00.840 --> 2:04:02.960 like he was saying, like later in life he stopped 2:04:03.040 --> 2:04:05.440 wanting to just take roles that had Indian accents for 2:04:06.080 --> 2:04:08.160 like the sake of it or something like or I 2:04:08.200 --> 2:04:11.280 think I have to refresh my memory on that interview. 2:04:11.320 --> 2:04:13.400 It was a couple of years ago. But he just 2:04:13.480 --> 2:04:16.680 had I thought he had an interesting perspective on the 2:04:16.840 --> 2:04:19.640 roles he was taking and the accent work and everything. 2:04:20.000 --> 2:04:22.920 I agree, and I'm I also do the opposite man, 2:04:23.040 --> 2:04:25.360 which is when a role doesn't require an Indian accent, 2:04:25.440 --> 2:04:26.840 I'll do it with an Indian accent. 2:04:27.480 --> 2:04:31.320 Does your character in Deli Boys have an Indian accent? Yeah? 2:04:31.560 --> 2:04:32.040 Very much so. 2:04:33.080 --> 2:04:33.360 She is. 2:04:33.560 --> 2:04:34.440 She is an immigrant. 2:04:34.480 --> 2:04:36.160 So I never have I ever in Deli Boys and 2:04:36.360 --> 2:04:39.920 I'm playing, you know, okay, like a woman from like 2:04:40.040 --> 2:04:43.280 an if you know, immigrant. But there will be roles 2:04:43.360 --> 2:04:45.600 that I'll do, and you know, I just want to 2:04:45.640 --> 2:04:48.600 make sure that because our accent is it's it has 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:51.240 been made fun of for like decades, So how do 2:04:51.360 --> 2:04:56.040 you reclaim it and do roles which are not comedy 2:04:56.160 --> 2:04:58.480 and which are like serious and which are you know, 2:04:58.760 --> 2:05:02.080 have deaths and and it's a three dimensional character but 2:05:02.200 --> 2:05:04.640 with an Indian accent, and how do you kind of 2:05:04.720 --> 2:05:07.840 dignify it. So a lot of times I will now 2:05:08.000 --> 2:05:10.320 go back in and if the character has just a 2:05:10.400 --> 2:05:13.720 generic American name, I'll make it Indian. I'll try and 2:05:13.760 --> 2:05:15.600 do it with an Indian accent, just to try and 2:05:15.680 --> 2:05:17.880 reintegrate and reshift the narrative around it. 2:05:18.560 --> 2:05:23.600 Cool, that's interesting. What are you Deli Boys? Is there 2:05:23.680 --> 2:05:24.920 a season two date yet? 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:28.520 It's May twenty Oh no way. 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:30.760 So it's about to come out. Oh it's about Yeah. 2:05:30.760 --> 2:05:34.760 I think as of this episode it will have dropped. Oh, 2:05:35.600 --> 2:05:37.680 well it have Yeah, let's see. 2:05:37.920 --> 2:05:40.280 It's a great season. I don't know if you guys 2:05:40.320 --> 2:05:43.680 know about Deli Boys, but it's about. It's about. 2:05:44.280 --> 2:05:48.240 It's action packed and we run like a cocaine empire. 2:05:49.000 --> 2:05:52.760 Anything else pop coming on that you would like our 2:05:52.800 --> 2:05:53.720 people to know about. 2:05:55.560 --> 2:05:58.920 Uh, Green Lanterns, I mean Green Lanterns that comes out 2:05:59.200 --> 2:06:00.040 August sixth. 2:06:02.000 --> 2:06:03.360 Is that's the DC thing. 2:06:04.440 --> 2:06:05.640 That is a DC thing. 2:06:05.960 --> 2:06:11.240 I'm married to a nerd, so sometimes he quizzes me 2:06:11.320 --> 2:06:13.440 on what's DC and what's Marvel? And I have to 2:06:14.040 --> 2:06:14.800 I have to know it. 2:06:15.920 --> 2:06:17.880 I'm just am entering that conversation. 2:06:18.240 --> 2:06:20.520 I I I when I got the audition, I was like, 2:06:20.600 --> 2:06:23.920 they don't want me. I know nothing about this world. 2:06:24.000 --> 2:06:25.240 I'm not I'm not a good fit. 2:06:26.040 --> 2:06:28.480 But it's a you know, I think the scripts are 2:06:28.680 --> 2:06:30.800 really one of the most brilliant scripts I've read for 2:06:30.880 --> 2:06:31.800 this particular genre. 2:06:32.400 --> 2:06:35.040 Yeah, and it's called Lanterns. 2:06:35.520 --> 2:06:36.360 It's called lantern. 2:06:36.440 --> 2:06:40.280 It's is it based on green lantern? Yes? Okay, Well, 2:06:41.200 --> 2:06:43.600 Lisa and I do have a mutual friend who recited 2:06:43.640 --> 2:06:47.640 the green Lantern oath at his wedding vows. So I 2:06:47.760 --> 2:06:50.120 know somebody who will be going to who will be 2:06:50.200 --> 2:06:53.360 watching your show. You're doing something that is such cool 2:06:53.440 --> 2:06:58.280 stuff such VERI cool, thank you, thank you, a thrill 2:06:59.360 --> 2:07:02.400 and a nation to like do your career. 2:07:03.840 --> 2:07:08.640 People don't always do that, especially when you're rewarded with 2:07:09.200 --> 2:07:10.280 fun stuff. 2:07:12.120 --> 2:07:13.160 Such a fun journey. 2:07:13.240 --> 2:07:15.800 No, but I mean like leaving advertising, taking the risk 2:07:16.080 --> 2:07:18.080 doing something it's like really cool. 2:07:19.360 --> 2:07:21.680 Yeah, I think you know, you just have to keep 2:07:21.680 --> 2:07:24.680 in mind that things may not work out and you 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:27.320 have to find your sweet spot and doing something you 2:07:27.480 --> 2:07:29.520 love you keep keep in water. 2:07:29.680 --> 2:07:31.720 Like at some point when I wasn't working at all, 2:07:31.760 --> 2:07:33.680 I was like, I'll just be an acting class. That's okay. 2:07:33.680 --> 2:07:35.360 And I go to a school called the Barrow Group 2:07:35.520 --> 2:07:37.800 in New York. It's one of, I think one of 2:07:37.800 --> 2:07:40.920 the best places to learn acting, and for me just being. 2:07:40.800 --> 2:07:43.520 In class was enough. At some point it was great. 2:07:44.280 --> 2:07:47.240 And so you have to be okay with whatever place 2:07:47.360 --> 2:07:52.520 in the spectrum of of when you're expressing your creativity. 2:07:52.880 --> 2:07:53.400 You land in. 2:07:57.440 --> 2:08:02.600 Oh my gosh, love her, love her, love her story, chills, chills, 2:08:02.640 --> 2:08:07.640 I'll never forget. Yeah. I love also that you got 2:08:07.720 --> 2:08:10.320 this group from asif so that we could get that story, 2:08:10.400 --> 2:08:11.760 because that was fun. 2:08:11.840 --> 2:08:14.960 Fresh as a daisy. I mean, can you imagine like 2:08:15.240 --> 2:08:17.200 fucking Lumier yelling at you like that? 2:08:18.440 --> 2:08:25.000 Yeah, Loumier, Oh my god, he's like Cherie, get off 2:08:25.040 --> 2:08:30.120 my set. He hates her. But that, I mean, she's 2:08:30.160 --> 2:08:32.280 so good, She's so good and everything. It's honestly making 2:08:32.320 --> 2:08:34.120 me want to watch Deli boys. I'm gonna start watching it. 2:08:35.840 --> 2:08:41.200 But wow, I mean today's episode post mortem, what are we? 2:08:42.120 --> 2:08:42.160 No? 2:08:42.280 --> 2:08:43.000 This is just sad. 2:08:43.600 --> 2:08:47.640 You know, last week we had fucking, you know, homophobia chats. 2:08:47.680 --> 2:08:51.040 This week is races, like hate is not good, Like 2:08:51.280 --> 2:08:53.680 why it doesn't make anyone's lives better? 2:08:53.880 --> 2:08:54.680 What the fuck? 2:08:54.880 --> 2:08:55.400 What is this? 2:08:56.520 --> 2:09:02.600 I mean I almost like hate that in like in 2:09:02.680 --> 2:09:05.520 the minds of oh my god, I'm just calling her Emma. 2:09:05.600 --> 2:09:07.840 But what is she in the episode? Norene or something? 2:09:08.000 --> 2:09:10.400 The wife. She's like, you guys don't care about white 2:09:10.400 --> 2:09:12.320 people anymore. You only care about people that are like 2:09:12.440 --> 2:09:15.480 try this and that and it's like, okay, so we've 2:09:15.600 --> 2:09:18.360 turned our attention to some marginalized groups, so now you 2:09:18.480 --> 2:09:22.840 guys can just go out and murder people. I'm confused, Like, wow. 2:09:22.680 --> 2:09:27.440 That's the well, it's the classic like if you have privilege, 2:09:27.520 --> 2:09:31.560 equality seems like oppression. Yes, it's like that classic thing 2:09:31.680 --> 2:09:35.600 where but yeah, no, school, all these things suck, Like 2:09:35.960 --> 2:09:39.320 all kids should get attention and help if they need, 2:09:39.440 --> 2:09:43.160 whether they're super smart or behind, or speak English or don't, 2:09:43.560 --> 2:09:46.360 or artistic or can't or can't write, and maybe they 2:09:46.400 --> 2:09:49.160 could do an oil like all of that, but that's funding. 2:09:49.360 --> 2:09:51.840 And like they don't, like no one realizes the reason 2:09:51.880 --> 2:09:54.880 our country is shitty is because of racism, Like they 2:09:54.960 --> 2:09:58.080 don't want to understand, like for our country's goal is 2:09:58.160 --> 2:10:00.640 to make sure black people don't have things. Because of that, 2:10:01.000 --> 2:10:03.760 all children are punished, yeah you know what I mean. 2:10:03.920 --> 2:10:06.600 And it's like, yeah, why does your kid get more 2:10:06.640 --> 2:10:07.040 than the other? 2:10:07.200 --> 2:10:12.960 Like all kids. Like it's like college was free and then. 2:10:12.880 --> 2:10:15.560 Black people started going and Reagan went not on my watch, 2:10:16.000 --> 2:10:18.400 you know what I mean. It's like everything is worse 2:10:18.560 --> 2:10:21.480 because they didn't want black people. Because there's a book 2:10:21.480 --> 2:10:23.880 I have to I should read it. But like that 2:10:24.440 --> 2:10:26.920 there used to be public pools everywhere and then when 2:10:27.000 --> 2:10:31.520 integration in communities. But then integration happened, and white people 2:10:31.600 --> 2:10:34.280 would rather not have a pool in their community than 2:10:34.320 --> 2:10:36.040 share it with black people. And that's why there's not 2:10:36.160 --> 2:10:38.920 pools everywhere like there used to be, you know what 2:10:39.000 --> 2:10:41.720 I mean. It's like they're constant work, like they're constantly 2:10:41.840 --> 2:10:47.040 ruining their own lives, yeah, and then blaming like black people. 2:10:47.640 --> 2:10:51.280 Yeah. And then that like these and the policies that 2:10:51.440 --> 2:10:55.640 also turn different minority groups against each other, like in 2:10:55.720 --> 2:10:58.400 the episode when the guy was like, even the Latinos 2:10:58.440 --> 2:11:00.400 hate us now, like they think it's our fault that 2:11:00.640 --> 2:11:02.560 for all these ice raids and stuff. And it's like, 2:11:03.080 --> 2:11:06.800 I mean, the policies are blanket racist against a lot 2:11:06.840 --> 2:11:11.040 of people. But you guys shouldn't turn on each other, like, 2:11:11.240 --> 2:11:13.800 you know, if you're being persecuted, don't turn on other 2:11:13.880 --> 2:11:17.160 persecuted people. So but good job. 2:11:17.240 --> 2:11:20.280 It's like propaganda to the max, and it works. It 2:11:20.360 --> 2:11:23.320 fucking works. Like we all know if have we not 2:11:23.400 --> 2:11:27.000 seen a bug's life? Come on, you know, when the 2:11:27.080 --> 2:11:31.880 ants gets together, the grasshoppers stand no chance fear. You know, 2:11:32.160 --> 2:11:34.520 you can instill fear when the ants will work together. 2:11:35.880 --> 2:11:39.720 But it's just so complicated, and it seems like humanity 2:11:39.800 --> 2:11:43.120 hasn't shifted. I was watching one book guy on Instagram 2:11:43.280 --> 2:11:45.560 saying how like he reads so many classics, some books 2:11:45.560 --> 2:11:48.560 from like hundreds of years ago, and how human even 2:11:48.560 --> 2:11:50.680 if the language is different, we're not like humans are 2:11:50.760 --> 2:11:54.800 so the same, Like we haven't actually changed, Like we 2:11:54.920 --> 2:11:57.600 want the same thing, like everything you know, and and 2:11:57.680 --> 2:11:59.920 it seems like all of our flaws are still the same, 2:12:00.360 --> 2:12:01.440 and like, just we're not. 2:12:01.920 --> 2:12:05.240 That's so funny. I was just having that same conversation 2:12:05.400 --> 2:12:09.280 in a text thread about this Olivia Rodrigo thing, which 2:12:09.280 --> 2:12:11.080 by the time this episode comes out, this is like 2:12:11.160 --> 2:12:14.320 a moment. Well it's a radio he's talking about it. Yeah, 2:12:14.880 --> 2:12:17.360 But in general, we were like talking about how we 2:12:17.480 --> 2:12:19.720 were like, wait, so she can't wear what she wants 2:12:19.800 --> 2:12:21.600 like this is I was like, yeah, it's very much 2:12:21.640 --> 2:12:23.960 giving what was she wearing? And my friend was saying 2:12:23.960 --> 2:12:25.920 the same thing. It's just so funny how people just 2:12:26.000 --> 2:12:28.120 have the same ideas over and over again, like they're 2:12:28.160 --> 2:12:31.160 just also Olivia talks about the same shit, and Olivia 2:12:31.200 --> 2:12:33.320 talks about it, she goes, you guys are perverts. You're 2:12:33.400 --> 2:12:36.520 saying it's infantile and I'm doing some sexy baby thing, 2:12:36.880 --> 2:12:38.680 but I'm trying to look like Courtney Love and like 2:12:38.760 --> 2:12:41.120 Kate Bush, yeah, or was that Kate Bush or maybe 2:12:41.200 --> 2:12:42.880 some other cool rock starre that I don't know, but 2:12:43.360 --> 2:12:45.680 she's like, I wanted to look like these cool women 2:12:45.760 --> 2:12:48.480 from the nineties and you're the perverts. Yeah, but it's 2:12:48.520 --> 2:12:51.640 same with like, shit, a little girl where bikinis it's like, yeah, 2:12:51.680 --> 2:12:54.680 it's hot, like one pieces are annoying, Like I don't 2:12:54.800 --> 2:12:58.360 know what's the big Like who cares? You're the pervert? Yeah, 2:12:58.720 --> 2:13:04.480 you're the pervert. Like just yeah, like that said, we 2:13:04.520 --> 2:13:06.880 don't need this many cutouts. There's too many cutouts in 2:13:06.880 --> 2:13:09.320 little kids bathing suits. I'm not putting a bunch of 2:13:09.400 --> 2:13:12.080 sunscreen on a little patch that well now it's like 2:13:12.280 --> 2:13:15.000 swim shirts or whatever. But it's like, but also, little 2:13:15.080 --> 2:13:18.440 girls should be able to wear just bottom what they want, 2:13:18.560 --> 2:13:23.080 what they yes, And Rosie always is like asking about that. 2:13:23.240 --> 2:13:24.920 She's like, why why can't ask you take off a shirt? 2:13:24.920 --> 2:13:26.920 And I can't. I'm like, you actually can't because everyone's 2:13:26.960 --> 2:13:30.200 a pedophile and we in our society, I don't care 2:13:30.240 --> 2:13:31.920 if you take your shirt off, like you can take 2:13:31.960 --> 2:13:33.840 it off, Like I let her run around topless at 2:13:33.880 --> 2:13:37.000 the beach the other day. Yeah, that's normal. I did 2:13:37.080 --> 2:13:38.920 not wear a bikini top when I was a kid. 2:13:39.280 --> 2:13:42.240 Remember the copper tone baby, wasn't it the copper tone baby? 2:13:42.280 --> 2:13:44.480 That was like a little dog. That's we pervert it to. 2:13:44.600 --> 2:13:46.880 We don't need a butt crack, Like I don't know right, 2:13:46.960 --> 2:13:48.640 but it was a baby not wear It was a 2:13:48.680 --> 2:13:50.440 little kid not wearing a top. It was a little 2:13:50.480 --> 2:13:53.800 girl wearing not wearing a top. The butt crack is different. Yeah, 2:13:53.880 --> 2:13:56.000 it's just like, oh, but should she wear that? And 2:13:56.080 --> 2:13:57.840 it's like, I don't know, should we like rip out 2:13:57.880 --> 2:14:01.200 the eyes of men? Let's do that instead, like a 2:14:01.320 --> 2:14:03.600 kid can't wear shorts and a tank top? Because it 2:14:03.720 --> 2:14:06.440 was basically what you were just saying before of like 2:14:06.600 --> 2:14:09.200 everyone just keeps going back to the same ideas and. 2:14:09.440 --> 2:14:11.480 Then every time something changes where we're like the way 2:14:11.520 --> 2:14:13.920 we treated Britney Spears was not okay, we need to change, 2:14:13.960 --> 2:14:16.280 and then we never ever ever change ever. 2:14:16.480 --> 2:14:19.520 Yeah, we are still mean as fuck. We're still awful 2:14:19.560 --> 2:14:22.800 to people's body, Like Lena Dunham, Like we're still mean 2:14:22.880 --> 2:14:26.560 to her twenty years later. It's just like, I guess 2:14:26.680 --> 2:14:29.640 evolution took millions and millions of years, so maybe in 2:14:29.720 --> 2:14:31.600 our lifetimes we're not going to see as much y 2:14:31.720 --> 2:14:32.280 as we want. 2:14:32.440 --> 2:14:35.360 And maybe it's also because the people in charge haven't 2:14:35.400 --> 2:14:39.160 shifted in these hundreds of years. I mean, I also 2:14:39.240 --> 2:14:43.400 don't want to like diminish the progress that is made. 2:14:43.600 --> 2:14:47.000 Like you know, we have like a brown mayor who's Muslim. 2:14:46.640 --> 2:14:50.920 In New York, Like things change, there's more wit, but 2:14:51.040 --> 2:14:56.360 it's so slow. I'm so fucked and it's so frustrating, 2:14:56.520 --> 2:15:01.080 and like this episode is horrific. Watch your family that 2:15:01.240 --> 2:15:04.000 your son gets taken away. He'll get killed in this 2:15:04.120 --> 2:15:08.360 other country. Is like yeah, her brother but yeah, yeah, 2:15:08.960 --> 2:15:10.080 yeah brother, my bad. 2:15:10.200 --> 2:15:10.480 Yeah, but. 2:15:12.040 --> 2:15:15.360 I know it was like just a lot of and yeah, 2:15:16.080 --> 2:15:18.280 I mean yeah, we had a there was a conversation 2:15:18.440 --> 2:15:21.680 in this episode about what it's okay for people women 2:15:21.760 --> 2:15:27.080 to wear, right, yeah, so cover or not covering, and 2:15:28.840 --> 2:15:30.720 it's just but what it's like. 2:15:31.160 --> 2:15:33.160 But Olivia Rerigo is such a badass and like her 2:15:33.240 --> 2:15:36.760 last tour she was like giving like abortion pills and 2:15:36.840 --> 2:15:39.480 like giving money and going to states where like it 2:15:39.640 --> 2:15:42.400 was illegal, and she is like this badass and you 2:15:42.480 --> 2:15:45.320 think she's trying to be a Saxony, maybe go fuck yourself. 2:15:45.360 --> 2:15:47.760 I'll murder all of you. And I think in that sense, 2:15:49.000 --> 2:15:52.400 we like because you just brought up Brittany, I'm glad 2:15:52.440 --> 2:15:54.800 we have like sort of shifted into this era of 2:15:55.600 --> 2:15:57.680 pop stars that have feel like and I don't know 2:15:57.720 --> 2:15:59.160 what's going on behind the scenes, but it feels like 2:15:59.200 --> 2:16:00.800 they have more agency and they talk about with like 2:16:00.920 --> 2:16:04.200 Zara Larson is really cool. She talks about abortion really openly. 2:16:04.560 --> 2:16:06.960 I mean twenty years ago, pop stars would not be 2:16:07.040 --> 2:16:09.600 talking about that, you know, you know, they'd be talking 2:16:09.600 --> 2:16:12.200 about if they were virgins or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:16:14.280 --> 2:16:16.880 And not only that, like even with Sabrina Carpenter, I 2:16:16.960 --> 2:16:19.080 mean I didn't love you know, the cover with her 2:16:19.160 --> 2:16:23.040 hairbingled whatever. That's a personal thing, but you know, I 2:16:23.120 --> 2:16:25.000 see things written about her where it's like, even though 2:16:25.000 --> 2:16:28.800 it's sexy, it's still always for the female gaze, Like 2:16:29.240 --> 2:16:32.520 she is so for the female gaze, Like the show 2:16:33.120 --> 2:16:36.280 is for the girlies in this really cool way, and 2:16:36.400 --> 2:16:40.039 like Billie Eilish wearing baggy pants, like, no, the kids 2:16:40.080 --> 2:16:42.360 will be okay, it's us that. 2:16:42.400 --> 2:16:48.800 Will ruin it. For them. Yeah. Oh man, yeah, well 2:16:48.959 --> 2:16:49.320 I just. 2:16:49.520 --> 2:16:52.720 Never growing and thinking that it's like a fourteen year 2:16:52.720 --> 2:16:54.480 old in a tube tops the big problem. 2:16:54.959 --> 2:16:59.200 Seriously, women can't think about Well, someone sent me this 2:16:59.360 --> 2:17:02.160 video maybe you know link to it. That's about like 2:17:02.360 --> 2:17:08.040 how we how like purity culture has like inadvertently come back, 2:17:08.680 --> 2:17:11.280 not inadvertently like on p hold on, I gotta find 2:17:11.280 --> 2:17:13.400 this video. Yeah I watched. It's old as fuck. It's 2:17:13.520 --> 2:17:16.920 like the Phil Dona Hugh Show. Was it those girl 2:17:17.000 --> 2:17:20.800 that's saying that that gen Z accidentally reinvented purity culture? 2:17:20.840 --> 2:17:23.480 It's like a YouTube video. Well, we'll talk about it 2:17:23.560 --> 2:17:26.600 next week, Well, pity culture next week. They're more part 2:17:26.640 --> 2:17:28.280 of it than we think. They're not having sex, they're 2:17:28.280 --> 2:17:30.720 not drinking. Come on, guys, get out there. That's because 2:17:30.720 --> 2:17:33.880 they're depressed, because they're not going out, because they're on 2:17:33.879 --> 2:17:36.640 their phones. Like we used to mingle. We used to 2:17:36.720 --> 2:17:39.080 be outside. We used to be at a park for hours. 2:17:39.400 --> 2:17:42.560 We used to watch people play basketball and run around 2:17:42.640 --> 2:17:44.120 and sit at the mall and go to Barnes and 2:17:44.200 --> 2:17:51.320 Noble like like there was like they are at home, depressed, illiterate, 2:17:54.959 --> 2:17:57.039 and that's like another reading thing that I've been seeing 2:17:57.080 --> 2:17:59.360 too where it's like when men would be romance and 2:17:59.400 --> 2:18:01.520 all this stuff, but it's like it came from reading, 2:18:01.800 --> 2:18:04.240 it came from culture, and we're void of it. 2:18:04.320 --> 2:18:05.280 There's no accidents. 2:18:05.320 --> 2:18:08.080 They're not accidentally finding a thing and going oh my god. 2:18:08.200 --> 2:18:10.440 It's like their phone is feeding them what they want, 2:18:10.560 --> 2:18:12.840 like right, and now the fucking Ellison's own TikTok. 2:18:12.879 --> 2:18:15.840 Who knows what they're giving those kids? Oh my god. Yeah, 2:18:15.920 --> 2:18:19.280 you're right, it's just like it's a nightmare. But that's 2:18:19.400 --> 2:18:21.600 you know, the digital care. They are trying to go back. 2:18:21.640 --> 2:18:24.600 They're trying to go back. Yeah, they're trying some of them. 2:18:25.080 --> 2:18:28.520 All right, Well, we can't get too more depressing. Let's 2:18:29.040 --> 2:18:30.720 get to our what would Sister Peg do? 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