Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on these are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. In sv podcast, I'm Lie as
Speaker 2: a Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank and you guys know by now
Speaker 1: it's sv recaps, true crime, interviews, etc. But at the
Speaker 1: top of the episode we just talk about whatever. As
Speaker 1: of this recording, as of this release date of this episode,
Speaker 1: I'll be driving cross country with my family in a car,
Speaker 1: and I hope you're all praying for me, because I
Speaker 1: really don't know how this is going to go. Everyone's like,
Speaker 1: this is going to be such a core memory for
Speaker 1: your kids. They're gonna love it. I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just like really hoping it's not them being like another
Speaker 1: day in the car. It's like, we can't change the plan. Like,
Speaker 1: once we get in the car and start, we have
Speaker 1: to get to the other side. So that's what is
Speaker 1: what is the path? The path is like Vegas, which
Speaker 1: is fun. I'm excited. Three of my college friends are
Speaker 1: going to be there. You know, I love Vegas. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then Grand Canyon Arches National Park, which is in Utah, Denver, Cheyenne. Uh,
Speaker 1: what's it called? The faces? Mount Rushmore? Mount Rushmore, which
Speaker 1: I've never seen either is jared. And then across to
Speaker 1: Chicago and we'll be in Chicago for like three nights,
Speaker 1: which will be fun. And then West Virginia, New Jersey. Face.
Speaker 1: You're going from Chicago West Virginia, No fucking way, oh
Speaker 1: stopping stopping. There's a couple of cities in between them.
Speaker 1: We're stopping Indye for like one night.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're stopping in Indie. Break it up. Like We're
Speaker 1: also going to like Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I guess I should
Speaker 1: say all the city, so if anybody knows any of
Speaker 1: these more random places. I am staying in Sioux Falls.
Speaker 1: I am staying in Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I thought about the
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Dells. I thought about it, although my friends that
Speaker 1: went there last all came back with COVID, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if it was the right move, but it
Speaker 1: like worked better for our route to go. We're going
Speaker 1: to just stop and like, look, it's like a college
Speaker 1: town and on a river, so I thought we'll just
Speaker 1: stop there. And then Chicago, Indie, West Virginia, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and then onto Connecticut and them Verre Month. So it's
Speaker 1: going to be and then are you renting a car?
Speaker 1: Are you driving back home? You're driving our own car. Oh,
Speaker 1: then you're driving back. Jared's driving it back. I'm flying
Speaker 1: back with the kids because the kids will be late
Speaker 1: for school, like they're always late for school because of this,
Speaker 1: So we've got to like we can't do like a
Speaker 1: road trip back, and also they can't be in the
Speaker 1: car for like ten hour days. So he's going to
Speaker 1: do like the hot like the quick way back like
Speaker 1: three or four days with his parents. He's going to
Speaker 1: pick him back up in West Virginia and he's going
Speaker 1: to go have a little I thought it would just
Speaker 1: be him and his dad like the movie Nebraska, but
Speaker 1: his mom wants to come to so yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have some fun. Damn does he have goals on the
Speaker 1: journey back. He's in the midst of planning that. He's
Speaker 1: been very busy, but he's yeah, he's trying to figure
Speaker 1: out like because the way back, like the best way
Speaker 1: to go is just I think I think it's either
Speaker 1: called root seven year route eighty. I don't. You don't
Speaker 1: have to message me about it. It's just one major
Speaker 1: route that goes all the way across the country and
Speaker 1: I've done it before and it's just like super boring.
Speaker 1: It's like Pennsylvania, Nebraska, Like it's so boring until you
Speaker 1: get to like Wyoming and then it gets kind of pretty,
Speaker 1: but it's very boring. So I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: going to try to do a little bit more of
Speaker 1: an exciting route, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I'm I've never seen the Grand Canyon. It's
Speaker 2: still one of my hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1: It's really I've been there, but Jared hasn't, and the
Speaker 1: kids obviously, so it's and I went in twenty two
Speaker 1: thousand and three.
Speaker 2: This isn't my joke, but someone's like, before they fill
Speaker 2: it up with axe body spray?
Speaker 1: Is that from something from Overton in a movie comic.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know it's not from my own brain,
Speaker 1: but that is that is so wait, I'm googling to
Speaker 1: see if I can find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to see the Grand Canyon. I
Speaker 2: don't have any travel plans at all, going to a
Speaker 2: wedding on and in New Year's but that's all.
Speaker 1: I guess. Oh, but you can always do a last
Speaker 1: minute thang, right, Yeah, you never know what can what
Speaker 1: can happen? Never, that joke is unfortunately not popping up.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's my brain. No, it's great. That's
Speaker 1: a great fucking joke. I'd love to see the Grand
Speaker 1: Canyon before they fill it up with xbodi's. I mean,
Speaker 1: with the way this country is going, who fucking knows.
Speaker 2: I've actually like, usually my phone gives me news because
Speaker 2: that's like life.
Speaker 1: But I think it knows. If it just keeps feeding me.
Speaker 2: My heated rivalry boys, I'll stay on and so they
Speaker 2: don't really fuck around anymore. They keep it really one note.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: I also like someone wrote this like, wow, my personal
Speaker 2: brand is so strong because the amount of people who
Speaker 2: sent me the credit card thing.
Speaker 1: Did you see it? Like card skin, I've been sending
Speaker 1: it to me to send to you.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 2: I wrote when I posted about it, was like fifty
Speaker 2: people sent it. I would say hundreds, like I've been
Speaker 2: sent that so many times.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it because I'm such a
Speaker 1: Delta girl and I need everyone to note I have
Speaker 1: my Delta card. Your relationship with Delta is longer than
Speaker 1: your relationship with he did realy.
Speaker 2: So, But I also I still hope that one day
Speaker 2: I can work with one of them, and I just
Speaker 2: have to hold some sort of semblance of like calm, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Can't whip out a credit card that has like a
Speaker 1: half naked one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like an audition might come through
Speaker 2: one day and I just need to But I, oh,
Speaker 2: this is like old now we're in the time machine.
Speaker 2: But I fucking loved Hudson William's speech for his Canada
Speaker 2: Screen Award whatever when, And I've never watched just speech
Speaker 2: multiple times. I just thought it was like so perfect
Speaker 2: and great, thank cute, and of the fun speeches.
Speaker 1: I like, Ronnie Cheng had a great fuck AI speech.
Speaker 1: Well that's com that's the commencement and commencement. Yeah oh
Speaker 1: this was an acceptance speech. Yeah but yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: I'm glad Ronnie.
Speaker 2: Did that because like those fucking losers that were pro A,
Speaker 2: it's like, what the fuck what did you say? It's
Speaker 2: like mediocre people becoming even dumber, like the untalented becoming.
Speaker 1: Worse and worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, truly, it's like such an embarrassment and he's like,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 1: Write an email. It was really great. I started getting
Speaker 1: I don't know when, maybe like a few months ago,
Speaker 1: I somehow started. I somehow got the People Magazine app
Speaker 1: on my phone. I think, I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: think I thought it would be fun to do those
Speaker 1: crosswords because they're so easy, like once in a while.
Speaker 1: But now I get alerts from them, and I think
Speaker 1: I need to take them off. There's like they're about
Speaker 1: people sometimes I've never even heard of.
Speaker 2: Of course, the fact that you have People Magazine alerts
Speaker 2: as psychotic care, I know it's getting your life together.
Speaker 1: How many more alerts do you need? Get it off?
Speaker 1: Do it right now? Do read any of them? Go
Speaker 1: into the settings, Go into the settings. I don't read
Speaker 1: any of them, but it'll be like it'll even have VET.
Speaker 1: I don't have any notifications except texts. It'll just be
Speaker 1: like about people and then that's email, random true crime stuff.
Speaker 1: I think maybe that's why I originally got on it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I got on it for like the Coburger trial
Speaker 1: or something. But like it'll be like, sure, there's a
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, there's a tailor Swift and then it'll be
Speaker 1: like Steve Kaufman. I'm like, who, Like, it'll just be
Speaker 1: like car drivers.
Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't a unique take in any capacity.
Speaker 2: But Dua Lipa and her guy column Callum, I mean, c.
Speaker 1: You're against her. I'm not against her in any way.
Speaker 1: She is so hot. She looked so hot at her wedding.
Speaker 2: She's also so smart, yes, and conscious of people and
Speaker 2: hardworking and fun.
Speaker 1: I'm like obsessed with her. I think she's wonderful. I've
Speaker 1: been listening to her for almost a decade. I love
Speaker 1: Dua Lipa. The meat cute that I heard about how
Speaker 1: they met feels like it was made up by a publicist.
Speaker 2: I don't think they would make it up, Like why not?
Speaker 2: Why can't we have something magical?
Speaker 1: I just feel like Doua Lipa is not eating at
Speaker 1: a restaurant alone in la in the year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I just think that that's too She's it could have
Speaker 1: been a hotel.
Speaker 3: No, she's on the road.
Speaker 1: Maybe there was security further back. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is humiliating. I do not follow
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 2: But Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney had like a weird
Speaker 2: bicycle date and were hanging out in Times Square and
Speaker 2: no one really noticed them and she had sunglasses on
Speaker 2: it and I and like a hoodie and she was
Speaker 2: like posing next to her billboards and basically Scooter bron posts.
Speaker 1: Again I do not follow him, but it said.
Speaker 2: When you're lying in bed and your girlfriend says she's
Speaker 2: never been to Times Square, like that seems more fake
Speaker 2: to me then dua and this guy reading, well, just okay,
Speaker 2: just so we are clear, and for the listeners that
Speaker 2: might not know what we're talking about. What I was told, well,
Speaker 2: let me do it, since you're gonna you feel negative
Speaker 2: about it, and okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So basically.
Speaker 2: They're they're like, I think he probably tried to flirt
Speaker 2: with her, and he's and they realized that they were
Speaker 2: reading the same book, and then they realized that they
Speaker 2: were at the same chapter end. And then he said,
Speaker 2: look at us, we're on the same page.
Speaker 1: I like that, and they met, both of them. Him,
Speaker 1: I could see dining alone, okay, Labi Him, I could
Speaker 1: see dining alone at an La restaurant. We need another restaurant.
Speaker 1: I can see it. I cannot see. I think she's
Speaker 1: too famous. I don't think she would be alone. I
Speaker 1: don't think that she would like this random guy comes
Speaker 1: up to her and goes, oh my gosh, let's talk
Speaker 1: about books a drama. It's literally the beginning of the drama.
Speaker 1: Random hot is hell tall man. He's not some random weirdo.
Speaker 1: He's like a hunk because she's five eight and wears
Speaker 1: heels and he's still like I think eight inches taller
Speaker 1: than No. No, no, he is a hunk. But like
Speaker 1: he at the time, I mean, I don't I didn't
Speaker 1: know about him as an actor. Really, I have no
Speaker 1: idea she married him. Yeah, and I saw like the
Speaker 1: cover of the movie that he's in with like Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Olsen Eternity or whatever. But like he's not quite in
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like in the US. He's like
Speaker 1: it could just be any other actor like at that point,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just I don't buy. I'm
Speaker 1: glad Casey's at least a little bit with me. It's
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful story. I'm sure parts of it are true.
Speaker 1: It just feels like the whole thing was like people
Speaker 1: Magazine will love this and Kara will actually click on
Speaker 1: this alert get it. I don't think is like that.
Speaker 1: She's just not like that. No, but a publicist could
Speaker 1: be like that. I feel like I think a publicist
Speaker 1: could be like, Okay, here's what we're gonna like, here's
Speaker 1: like the story I'm giving them for your like how
Speaker 1: you met, and it's like, okay, whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Dua Liep was really cool
Speaker 1: and awesome. I just had a story. Story gave me
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hm. I love looking at
Speaker 1: photos of them together. I thought she looked she your wedding.
Speaker 1: I hope we get.
Speaker 2: Photos of their sicily wedding. I mean my phone actually,
Speaker 2: Dua Lipa is now a big part of my phone.
Speaker 1: Wait, this was this was this was just their British wedding,
Speaker 1: and they're also gonna get married Italy. Well this was
Speaker 1: like city Hall, This is like oh London.
Speaker 4: That and then.
Speaker 2: A cute little blazer. I didn't know it was, Yes Scaparelli.
Speaker 2: I just love photos of them. I just like, I
Speaker 2: love the way they like each other and they're I mean,
Speaker 2: she's just like the coolest and I've seen her live,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been a fan, but I love Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's easy for me to get involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She was one of the first people I saw
Speaker 1: a billboard for in LA where there would be a
Speaker 1: billboard up but it would say sold out, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what is the point of this billboard? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, what the point of the billing? I know,
Speaker 1: I know, and like but at the time, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I would go see do Alipa, but it's sold out,
Speaker 1: so you know, but somebody went up there and had
Speaker 1: to take the time, like you know, scraping it up
Speaker 1: there with the glue and it's like you can't get
Speaker 1: tickets to this. But they are extremely hot, this couple.
Speaker 1: I love that they're both like British.
Speaker 2: And her podcast, I mean she interviews authors and stuff,
Speaker 2: like she really is cool.
Speaker 1: She just put out her concert on YouTube for free.
Speaker 1: I didn't do Alipa had a podcast, yeah about books.
Speaker 2: She interviews authors and I think she gave a speech
Speaker 2: at like the Book or something Prize or SGP was
Speaker 2: you know, as a judge this year whatever. There's like
Speaker 2: now I'm getting all these book things, so yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, I finished our friend Alison Libey's
Speaker 2: book If you want to if you want to go
Speaker 2: to the Patren and listen to us talk to her
Speaker 2: about the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was crying at the end. I was like
Speaker 1: truly crying, laughing out loud, crying. I'm like, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for her. I started it. I'm just
Speaker 1: so impressed. There's just so like I'm just impressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to her about it because for
Speaker 1: the Patreon, because I do think taking I do think
Speaker 1: taking on a book is so Yes, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: For years of her writing this goddamn book, and it's
Speaker 2: such a nightmare process, I feel. And I actually I
Speaker 2: sat it at my coffee shop for three hours to
Speaker 2: finish it, and everyone was kind of interested. And since
Speaker 2: I want her to get on some lists, I might
Speaker 2: just pre order a bunch for the youth that work
Speaker 2: at my coffee shop.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be pre ordered. Yeah, I might just
Speaker 2: pre order a few more for the youth. I ran
Speaker 2: into a girl from Soul Cycle and she's like, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm so bored now, you know summer break, and I
Speaker 2: go are you? And she's a junior my close Soul
Speaker 2: Cycle friends in college.
Speaker 1: Correct, well, only one more year? Huge for your friend.
Speaker 1: Huge you're gonna be in her graduation. Mark my fucking words,
Speaker 1: Mark my words will be like I can't record that
Speaker 1: day I have NYU graduation.
Speaker 2: Well, Julia just went to two of her you know,
Speaker 2: it's so interesting like groups of friends and when people
Speaker 2: start having kids because.
Speaker 1: I think Julia she's a few years older than.
Speaker 2: Me, whatever, but because her friends were religious or whatnot,
Speaker 2: Like she's going to high school graduation. Yeah, she's been
Speaker 2: to a few high school graduations this month. Those are
Speaker 2: her trips.
Speaker 1: I mean like it's like, I mean, I am old
Speaker 1: enough to be the mom of some of the moms
Speaker 1: in Oscar's class. Yeah, Like there's a mom in Oscar's class.
Speaker 1: She is the age that he. I'm like, I could
Speaker 1: have had you and that would be my grandchild, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's just but it's my kid.
Speaker 2: Wait, how was his birthday? And the Dodgers game? And
Speaker 2: then we'll get started.
Speaker 1: Oh so we went to Notts. It was fun. It's
Speaker 1: very Peanuts. Are you like a big Peanuts Snoopy woodstock Yeah? Always,
Speaker 1: oh yeah Snoopy.
Speaker 4: I knew.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, you either have a
Speaker 1: Snoopy or a Woodsto. But I'm not upset.
Speaker 2: I put Snoopies for everyone, and I missed the ice
Speaker 2: cream bars. I don't think they make them anymore. But oh,
Speaker 2: the Snoopy ice.
Speaker 1: Cream Yeah, back of the day, I didn't. I kind
Speaker 1: of thought Knots was like independent. It's owned by six Flags,
Speaker 1: so it's not but their whole thing, you know how
Speaker 1: like six Flags whole thing is like Looney Tunes. Knots
Speaker 1: whole thing is Peanuts, like that's what they got the
Speaker 1: rights too. I just googled. Oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I just googled Snoopy ice cream bars and there's a
Speaker 2: miniature being sent sold on on Etsy.
Speaker 1: On Etsy, how did they get it to you? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? Wait, it's an ice cream bar? Well yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a replic It's like a little figurine.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, they're selling you the ice cream bars.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm like, listen, my brain is not always
Speaker 1: I can't assume that everyone knows about the miniature food
Speaker 1: replica world on Etsy. Oh yeah. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: they're gonna like send it in like freeze dried box.
Speaker 1: Like I've gotten ice cream in the mail before, but
Speaker 1: from Etsy. That seems weird.
Speaker 2: No, hold on, so I interrupted you so knots Very
Speaker 2: Farm is owned by Snoopy.
Speaker 1: Yes, Snoopy is the king of Knots okay. And so
Speaker 1: the kids met Snoopy. They got a little picture with them.
Speaker 1: There's like there was like a video up that was
Speaker 1: like meet the characters, and it was like all these
Speaker 1: kids lined up to meet Peppermint, to meet Marcie, and
Speaker 1: Jared was like, kids were not lining up to meet Marcy.
Speaker 1: Come on. But it was fun. We went on some
Speaker 1: rides and the food was gross. He had a great time.
Speaker 1: He had a blast. I ended up getting suckered into
Speaker 1: buying them those hats that have like the long pieces
Speaker 1: that hang down and at the bottom there are these
Speaker 1: like pumps and it makes the ears go up. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? No, that's that's just making sense.
Speaker 1: Like the long they're like these long ears and they
Speaker 1: have pumps on the bottom inside of the stuffy of
Speaker 1: the hat that you pump them and the ears will
Speaker 1: flop like go up and down. And so come on,
Speaker 1: it's a birth of course. And Rosie got regular Snoopy
Speaker 1: and Oscary got Girl Snoopy. They just sell one with
Speaker 1: a bow. I was like, who is this like, there's
Speaker 1: not a girl snoopy character, I don't think, but there
Speaker 1: is anots and we had a fun time. And then
Speaker 1: I took them to their first Dodgers game on Sunday,
Speaker 1: but that was not even for his birthday. It was
Speaker 1: just for fun. And I really like I brought coloring
Speaker 1: shit for Oscar. I was like, he is not gonna
Speaker 1: want to do this. I took them by myself because
Speaker 1: Jared had to work, but with friends like that, I
Speaker 1: was just the only parent of my children and we
Speaker 1: had friends with us and Oscar, I swear to god,
Speaker 1: he sat there and he enjoyed, Like most of the game,
Speaker 1: he wasn't really watching the sports. I think he was
Speaker 1: just kind of looking around and loving the music stings
Speaker 1: and like the stuff that would come up on the screens,
Speaker 1: and but he was not being like normally he would
Speaker 1: be like, what are we doing here? I want to
Speaker 1: go home. I don't like this if he's not engaged.
Speaker 1: And he was just like sort of into the pageantry
Speaker 1: of the baseball I think because oh yeah, he ate
Speaker 1: a Dodger dog in truly like the craziest way. He
Speaker 1: started in the middle, like he's so insane. When I
Speaker 1: had dog. Rosie had a piece of pizza. She didn't
Speaker 1: love it, but you know, we did what we could.
Speaker 1: I had a beer. It was fun, you know what
Speaker 1: I ran. Some of our friends were there for his
Speaker 1: birthday too, Will It was so bunch people were at
Speaker 1: the same game. But yeah, it was fun and we
Speaker 1: stayed it to the end and they got to run
Speaker 1: the bases. But I was getting very SVU vibes because
Speaker 1: so my friend who is a mom on the baseball
Speaker 1: team with Rosie, she goes she's like a Dodger lady.
Speaker 1: She like was giving me all the tips. She gave
Speaker 1: me my clear bags to use. She was like giving
Speaker 1: me all the dogs. And you know, you can bring
Speaker 1: food to baseball stadiums. Oh I didn't know about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: baseball stadiums.
Speaker 2: You can bring cooler like you can maybe not cooler,
Speaker 2: but you can bring like people bring spaghetti's and bags.
Speaker 2: I remember I came once, people like had boxes of pizzas.
Speaker 2: Like you can bring food into basis.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I was getting all the like lowdown, like
Speaker 1: you can't bring a metal sun green bottle, Like your
Speaker 1: water bottles can be plastic, but they have to be empty.
Speaker 1: Blah blah, blah. So she was telling me, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get to go down and like you'll run the
Speaker 1: bases with them. So we're in line, and they're like
Speaker 1: adults to the left, kids to the right. They're separating us.
Speaker 1: They're like, only the kids are running really holocausty yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I'm like, shit, if you were like,
Speaker 1: it's not like they were even checking to make sure
Speaker 1: every adult had a kid. If you were just like
Speaker 1: a creep or a kidnapper, you could like just get
Speaker 1: in line. And then at the end, the kids all
Speaker 1: just funnel out to this little area and all the
Speaker 1: parents are going Sarah like James, like everyone's like yelling
Speaker 1: their kids's names because you're fully separated from your kids
Speaker 1: for like five minutes. And I was like, fine, I
Speaker 1: had eyes on Oscar and like Rosie was with her friends,
Speaker 1: Like I knew that they were gonna be okay. But
Speaker 1: I was like, plus, my kids are not the ones
Speaker 1: you want to try to grab their mouthy. But like,
Speaker 1: I just was like, this is weird that people are separated.
Speaker 1: And when I told the mom, she goes, they let
Speaker 1: us do it with them, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder what happened for hers it was Mother's Day. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they let the moms go down and lit
Speaker 1: a Mother's Day because the other days when it's just kids,
Speaker 1: the kids had to run alone. They had fun.
Speaker 2: Also, lol that we have not mentioned the Knicks forers nothing.
Speaker 2: This podcast is so funny to me, What a cultural moment.
Speaker 1: I love me. I'm cheering for the Knicks.
Speaker 2: But tickets are going for forty grand eighty grand people
Speaker 2: like the cheapest tickets I think are like five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: My old boss when I was living my devil wears
Speaker 1: proud of life, but I was wearing like clothes from
Speaker 1: the gap. What like when I worked for like an
Speaker 1: empty a Viacom executive for like Nickelodeon and stuff at
Speaker 1: he had season tickets to the Knicks and he would
Speaker 1: always I would always have to call all of his
Speaker 1: friends and me like, do you want his tickets? Tonight
Speaker 1: he can't go? Do you want his tickets? Do you
Speaker 1: want a tickets? Like I had to get rid of
Speaker 1: these tickets like every week if he'd be busy, and
Speaker 1: he gave me the tickets once he said I could
Speaker 1: take the tickets, and then the whole time I was
Speaker 1: in the bathroom changing one of his flights, and we
Speaker 1: were like behind one of the baskets, like it was
Speaker 1: a fun they were fun seats, but I was like,
Speaker 1: what a piece of shit. I brought my friend with
Speaker 1: me and she was like this is so exciting that
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll be right back. He's just and
Speaker 1: I was like on my BlackBerry in the bathroom trying
Speaker 1: to call American Airlines and be like, oh no, and
Speaker 1: he needs Actually he sits in a very specific seat,
Speaker 1: like he had a very specific seat in first class
Speaker 1: that he always wanted, and he would he didn't want
Speaker 1: the captain's chair or whateverever. I don't know what if
Speaker 1: that makes any sense to you, but there was like
Speaker 1: something that he didn't want, and so I always had
Speaker 1: to make sure that he was also on a certain
Speaker 1: kind of plane because there were like certain planes where
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be in first on that plane.
Speaker 2: And I know we have to move on Casey for
Speaker 2: the I know it's a double episode, but listen, I
Speaker 2: got into the snoopy ice cream thing and now I'm
Speaker 2: in another place. Did you ever have from nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: three vampires secret ice pops?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: They look so good cherry water ice with a cherry
Speaker 1: sauce center secret ice pot. I don't have any memory
Speaker 1: of these, and it's good humor, but like this way cool.
Speaker 1: The the look of it looks familiar, like I saw
Speaker 1: it on a on an ice cream truck.
Speaker 2: But I never got it because I'm looking because I
Speaker 2: remember Sonic, because I'm looking at this poster. I remember Mario,
Speaker 2: I don't I remember the Ninja Turtle, the wrestling, the Batman,
Speaker 2: the pushpike.
Speaker 1: I don't remember these vampires, but they look good. I
Speaker 1: love cherry also sold as vampires. Deadly secret is the
Speaker 1: deadly secret that your teeth like turn black when you
Speaker 1: eat this thing or the blood.
Speaker 2: Of it all the great white shirt, that's what? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Calippo, listen. I yeah, well, let's get started now.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want ice cream.
Speaker 1: I want ice cream so bad. All right, as usual,
Speaker 1: you know, that's messed up. Live as all the links
Speaker 1: that you need, our merch our promo codes, Lisa's tour dates,
Speaker 1: and our Patreon which is patreon dot com slash. That's
Speaker 1: messed up. We have a lot of fun stuff going
Speaker 1: on on the Patreon. Everybody's doing it. Tommy's we'll see
Speaker 1: you over there, but let's get started on today's episode.
Speaker 1: All right, today we are doing a doubleheader. It is
Speaker 1: American Dream and Sanctuary. They are the final two episodes
Speaker 1: of season eighteen. Don't listen to what Hulu tells you.
Speaker 1: They're telling you it's but it is episodes twenty and
Speaker 1: twenty one of season eighteen. And these came out May
Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen. So about you know, nine years ago,
Speaker 1: almost exactly today, and we Okay.
Speaker 2: Everything's only gotten worse, no, I know, And this is
Speaker 2: graphic as fuck. This is a tough I know, it's
Speaker 2: so the fucking opening of this episode is like so
Speaker 2: tough and like truly this episode could air tomorrow night
Speaker 2: on NBC. It's like nothing has changed.
Speaker 1: But we open on a couple having a nice Manhattan
Speaker 1: stroll walking their dog, talking about the weather, global warming,
Speaker 1: a little dig about how there's no EPA anymore, because
Speaker 1: you know, this episode came out about five months into
Speaker 1: the nightmare of Trump being our president, Like for the
Speaker 1: first time, they passed this restaurant called Samra and they
Speaker 1: talk about, how, oh is this on our list? We've
Speaker 1: been wanting to try it. Yeah, Modern Syrian cuisine, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously talking in an expositional way to give us the
Speaker 1: viewers information in a way that people would never talk.
Speaker 1: But then there's another quick dig from this couple like
Speaker 1: if we keep walking, we'll miss the news. And he's like,
Speaker 1: maybe we're better off. And then he's like, come on,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful night. So this idyllic, little New Yorker
Speaker 1: scene of like walking around the neighborhood. Then the camera
Speaker 1: pushes into the door of the restaurant Samra and we
Speaker 1: hear screaming noises. Nothing good is going on behind that door.
Speaker 1: Cut to inside there's intruders and ski masks like beating
Speaker 1: the shit out of the owner while other people are
Speaker 1: tied up, crying, screaming. It's very violent and disturbing, cold open.
Speaker 1: I always hate when the whole family gets attacked at once. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would put that on my worst things. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: there's a more recent episode where they're on the they're
Speaker 1: on the train with the machete machetty, and it's like why,
Speaker 1: like just doing all these things and making family members
Speaker 1: watch their family members get assaulted is like so awful.
Speaker 1: So it just adds another layer to how awful the
Speaker 1: crime is as it is. So I was like, sometimes
Speaker 1: we just find a body, and sometimes we get this,
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes it's just like oops, that couple
Speaker 1: would just be like, what's the dog trying to eat? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: it's a hand, you know. But other times we see
Speaker 1: the entire horrible violent crime on unfolding. And in this case,
Speaker 1: there's these three intruders. They have guns. One calls them
Speaker 1: like a slur for people of Arab descent. There are
Speaker 1: two young girls and a mother is also tied up.
Speaker 1: One guy, it feels like, is trying to get the
Speaker 1: other two to chill out a little bit. But then
Speaker 1: one of the guys always.
Speaker 2: Always who are you committing crimes with? One of them
Speaker 2: is always going to take it too far, and then
Speaker 2: you're gonna go what the fuck man? And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you got a person to like do a violent crime,
Speaker 2: why are you trusting them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this, I mean, I'm thinking about farger, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about everything. Like it's just it's so weird.
Speaker 1: This isn't a guy you've known since, This isn't your cousin.
Speaker 1: This is like when we find out later how these
Speaker 1: guys know each other too, You're like, wow, that you
Speaker 1: got you thought these guys would chill out, Okay, So
Speaker 1: one of the guys calls the one of the young
Speaker 1: daughters a dirty Muslim bitch and then carries her off
Speaker 1: to sexually assault her, and the chill one is like,
Speaker 1: this isn't what we came here for, and the other
Speaker 1: guy tells them to shut up and then starts to
Speaker 1: assault the other daughter, and the mother is just sitting
Speaker 1: there crying, tied up. It's fucking awful. And then we
Speaker 1: cut to Live arriving at the scene and Finn is
Speaker 1: giving her a breakdown of what's going on. Shahla Samra dead,
Speaker 1: which I didn't realize one of them was going to
Speaker 1: be murdered. She is has been raped and has a
Speaker 1: skull fracture. The other sister, Layla, also sexually assaulted, but
Speaker 1: will survive. The father, Kanan, is in critical condition blunt
Speaker 1: force trauma and two stab wounds. And then the guy
Speaker 1: interrupts them and introduces himself as Lieutenant Lopez, and well, well, well,
Speaker 1: if it isn't Kurt as Vedo, friend of the Pod
Speaker 1: and still our only guest to ever do our podcast
Speaker 1: while driving a moving vehicle, what's up? Kurt shout out
Speaker 1: and he's got still one of our hottest guests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fully in love with him. I'm obsessed with him and
Speaker 1: I hope uh he works forever. Yeah, and we interviewed him,
Speaker 1: if you don't remember, for the episode from season fifteen
Speaker 1: called October Surprise where he plays a different character, and
Speaker 1: that's the Anthony Weader episode essentially, And Lopez is a
Speaker 1: lieutenant with the hate Crimes task for so that's why
Speaker 1: he's there. But Benson knows his first name. She's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up. Like we assume that they kind of have
Speaker 1: met each other at like I don't know, cop conferences
Speaker 1: or something, and they're both lieutenants, so they probably have
Speaker 1: to sort of work with each other. So he brings
Speaker 1: them in to walk them through the scenes. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rollins is just standing over Shalla's dead body and Ben's
Speaker 1: says this feels more than a robbery gone bad. And
Speaker 1: then Lopez brings them to a fridge that says Muslims
Speaker 1: must die spray painted on it. So it Benson's like,
Speaker 1: it's a hate crime and not shocking. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is right. As there's the Muslim band on traveling that
Speaker 1: Trump enacted, there's all kinds of anti Muslim rhetoric that
Speaker 1: honestly had been already raging in New York since nine
Speaker 1: to eleven and just continued and was obviously the flames
Speaker 1: were fanned by Donald Trump. So then we're at the credits,
Speaker 1: and now we're at the precinct and Live is going
Speaker 1: over CCTV footage with Eyebrows aka Big Daddy Dodds, three
Speaker 1: guys in ski masks, and they don't have much else
Speaker 1: to go on, and that is like, one of my
Speaker 1: major issues with this episode is I just don't ever
Speaker 1: believe that, like, racist morons like this are smart enough
Speaker 1: to not leave behind DNA, to not trigger an alarm,
Speaker 1: or to not do something so deeply stupid even with
Speaker 1: the assault, like is there no jizz?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Them like these guys, like these guys wore condoms and
Speaker 1: then like didn't spill anything or leave a pube. Like
Speaker 1: I just don't believe it with these morons, right, And
Speaker 1: Eyebrows is like, oh my god, this kind of racism
Speaker 1: and hate. It's twenty seventeen. He's shocked, And I'm like, sir,
Speaker 1: if I could tell you what fresh hell would be
Speaker 1: coming down the pike every single day it's nine years later,
Speaker 1: and like I said, this episode could air tonight and
Speaker 1: he can't believe that this is happening in New York
Speaker 1: City and he wants everyone on it and hate crimes
Speaker 1: is involved. But FBI wants the case and lives was like, no,
Speaker 1: hell no, this is our case. So the background on
Speaker 1: this family is that Kanan and Maya Sama immigrated legally
Speaker 1: from Damascus. I love how they have to add in
Speaker 1: legally as if they were If they were illegal, this
Speaker 1: would be okay what they went through, you know, like, no,
Speaker 1: they but they legally immigrated from Damascus twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1: Their daughters were born in New York City, their two daughters.
Speaker 1: They've been in business for fifteen years. They pay their taxes,
Speaker 1: no financial troubles, no legal trouble, not even a parking ticket.
Speaker 1: They're practicing Muslims, no connection to any radical groups. They're
Speaker 1: basically the perfect American family. Live traffic cops, everybody go here,
Speaker 1: go here, go here. There's hundreds of Muslim restaurants in
Speaker 1: this city. Why did they pick this one? And then
Speaker 1: she and Rollins are going to go talk to Maya
Speaker 1: and Leila in the hospital. So outside the restaurant, Lopez
Speaker 1: and CRIESI roll up and there's like a vigil in
Speaker 1: front for the family, but then also a protest. These
Speaker 1: two episodes have like massive budgets. There are so many
Speaker 1: protest scenes. There are so many press conferences happening on stairs.
Speaker 1: Like there's just a lot, a lot of extra people
Speaker 1: in this episode. So they go talk to this guy
Speaker 1: like a neighboring bodega. He's immediately very pissy with them.
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you guys want my papers? And
Speaker 1: they're kind of like, no, dude, we just like want
Speaker 1: to know what's going on. And he goes the sammers
Speaker 1: are good people. I'm sick over what happened to them.
Speaker 1: And they're like anything unusual going on over there? And
Speaker 1: the guy's like, oh, like are they terrorists increase He's
Speaker 1: like he's like, we're investigating a homicide, a sexual assault.
Speaker 1: We got to ask questions like where I'm asking drugs, gambling,
Speaker 1: anything criminal, Like this is a serious crime. We got
Speaker 1: to check all the angles. And this guy he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just so sick of the harassment, Like he's this
Speaker 1: guy is like he's being a dick to the cops
Speaker 1: because this is like a trauma he's been living with
Speaker 1: for a long time, like of people harassing him. He goes,
Speaker 1: even the Hispanics hate us now, they blame us for
Speaker 1: the raids and deportations. And he says, a month ago,
Speaker 1: the Sammer's restaurant had their windows broken and Go Home
Speaker 1: Muslims was graffitied on it. And He's like, did they
Speaker 1: file a report? And he's like, no, they were too
Speaker 1: scared to call the cops. And Maya said she wanted
Speaker 1: to stay focused on the good in people. So now
Speaker 1: we're at the hospital talking to Maya, and this actress
Speaker 1: is Porna Jagonathan, and I personally recognize her from the
Speaker 1: Night Of, which was a show I was obsessed with.
Speaker 1: But she's also in Deli Boys and like a bunch
Speaker 1: of other stuff that's on tues Now. She is working,
Speaker 1: she's Boked to Blessed, and she's been in other law
Speaker 1: and orders. I think she's been in like all of
Speaker 1: the franchises. So she's at the hospital talking to Benson.
Speaker 1: She's crying how she opened the door for these intruders
Speaker 1: because she thought maybe a customer had forgotten something like
Speaker 1: when she heard the knock and she blames herself, like
Speaker 1: I'm the one that opened the door. They muscled their
Speaker 1: way in. They demanded to see their papers, ripped off
Speaker 1: our hey jobs, and they sounded like New Yorkers. She
Speaker 1: said they wanted money, and then one of them said
Speaker 1: the girl is cute about Shaala, and then she shot
Speaker 1: her eyes. But she says she could hear the sounds
Speaker 1: and then it was quiet, and she said, I was
Speaker 1: helpless in my own restaurant, like while her daughters were assaulted.
Speaker 1: One of them, she said, didn't yell, he whispered. And
Speaker 1: then a doctor interrupts with another horrible twist of many
Speaker 1: to come in this episode. Her husband Kanan did not
Speaker 1: make it. He was They were trying to save him
Speaker 1: from these stab wounds and bump force trauma, but he
Speaker 1: has passed and the doctor didn't even say anything. You
Speaker 1: can just tell by Maya's face. So now Rollin's is
Speaker 1: talking to Leila. She's obviously just told her about her
Speaker 1: dad not making it, so Leyla's extremely traumatized. She tells
Speaker 1: Rollins she remembered her rapist smelled like beer and tequila,
Speaker 1: and she starts talking about her fiance Sayid, who flew
Speaker 1: home to Damascus in December to see his sick dad
Speaker 1: and he's been trying to come back but he can't
Speaker 1: get in even though he has a green card again
Speaker 1: Trumpiness and Rollins is like, oh, I can help you
Speaker 1: get in touch with him, but it's like that's not
Speaker 1: the issue. Rollins like, she's like, Saya, it is more
Speaker 1: conservative than me implying this. Fuck too. It's like, fuck
Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, you get raped and you can't tell
Speaker 1: your exactly It's like I don't yeah, fuck this guy,
Speaker 1: which we've dealt before. We've dealt with this before. And
Speaker 1: Sbu with the move with the episode night where the
Speaker 1: girl doesn't tell that she's even been raped because her
Speaker 1: brother will think she's impure and unable to be married off. Right,
Speaker 1: and there's been honor killing episodes. Yes, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's a mess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, even or when they like go to someone where
Speaker 2: it's like something from their past and the husband's there
Speaker 2: and they have to be like, we're just asking questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the neighborhood, it's like we're just Jehovah's witnesses
Speaker 1: wanting to spread the good news. Yeah, like a yeah,
Speaker 1: victim of a crime.
Speaker 2: But then you have to cover it up for other
Speaker 2: people's comfort, or how other people are going to react
Speaker 2: to your fucking trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrible. It never ends and it's never like
Speaker 1: the part, Like it's never the discussion. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's really gross. Yeah that like her being a victim
Speaker 1: of her great sister's dead or dad's dead. She's been raped,
Speaker 1: and now she's just to worry about how her husband's
Speaker 1: going to react, Yeah, how to break it to him
Speaker 1: instead of how he could support her. Right, So she goes,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to my mom about how to
Speaker 1: explain this to him, Like she has to like seek
Speaker 1: out religious counsel to even address this with her fiance.
Speaker 1: So now we're back at the restaurant and then is
Speaker 1: explaining some shit to Careesy, like, well, the three perps
Speaker 1: came in the front door, but there is one fresh
Speaker 1: footprint in blood heading out the back door that doesn't
Speaker 1: match the purp any of the purpse or the Samras.
Speaker 1: So we're looking for a ghost and Finn goes a
Speaker 1: ghost with a size ten shoe. So back at the precinct,
Speaker 1: they're always time for jokes with Finn, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Double homicidekickle it up. Yeah, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: gotta get through the day. Yeah, But that he takes
Speaker 1: us out to commercial with his little finn quip okay,
Speaker 1: And then we're back and we're at the precinct and
Speaker 1: again no one cell.
Speaker 2: I forget the algorithms like Fiji stuff, because I wanted
Speaker 2: to be like, you know, Iced Tea has been everywhere lately,
Speaker 2: but I think he's just in my phone.
Speaker 1: He's just it's just old clips. But I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I say things people all the time. I go, no,
Speaker 1: but haven't you noticed that she's been kind of like
Speaker 1: back in the back in the mix lately and they're
Speaker 1: like no, and it's like, oh yeah, our algorithms are different,
Speaker 1: like we're seeing different shit. But so okay. So back
Speaker 1: at the precinct, they're basically like we got no skin cells,
Speaker 1: no DNA, no semen. And I'm like, again, a bunch
Speaker 1: of tequila drunk bigots are leaving no trace. I just
Speaker 1: don't buy it. How I feel with the Scott Peterson
Speaker 1: of it all. It's like you're telling me he's a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot and there's not one bit of physical evidence,
Speaker 1: not one scratch in the boat garage, Like I just yeah,
Speaker 1: when these people are so dumb, it's hard to think
Speaker 1: they're able to I mean, he didn't get away with it,
Speaker 1: but like that, they're able to not leave anything behind
Speaker 1: right right, I just don't buy it. And they're wasted
Speaker 1: in this. Yes, they're not making any mistake. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I could see these guys going to get a
Speaker 1: drink right afterwards and bartender's being like, yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: three guys come in and talk about how they just
Speaker 1: robbed a restaurant and my shots, my Scott Peterson takes,
Speaker 1: I think will haunt me for my lifetime. I think
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit of a different situation too,
Speaker 1: because of the body not being found or no, they
Speaker 1: found the torso, but it was like in the lake
Speaker 1: that he or the body of water that he said
Speaker 1: he was going to be fishing in, and it's like
Speaker 1: why would you dump the boy into the place you
Speaker 1: say you're gonna be But then also why isn't there
Speaker 1: any evidence of her on that boat. It's just like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, this is what this is.
Speaker 2: Like he's in jail, thank god, but it's just you know,
Speaker 2: it's the Casey Anthony defense, Like I'm sorry if you
Speaker 2: can't prove it. Yeah, but the way he was acting
Speaker 2: with the girlfriend and fleeing and all of that, like
Speaker 2: so guilty. That's why I'm so confused when idiots.
Speaker 1: Don't leave behind evidence. Yes, it's almost like they love.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm connecting these Yes, yes, so eyebrows pipes
Speaker 1: in like ba boom er uncle being like, what about
Speaker 1: this Aryan nation thing I saw in the news, So
Speaker 1: I guess Lopez explained that, like.
Speaker 2: News, you have to studies, you have the data, you have,
Speaker 2: you're the head of the cops here, Like, why it's not.
Speaker 1: A hate crime unit. Fuck, I guess it's just because
Speaker 1: the Aryan nation will like take credit for stuff that
Speaker 1: they don't do. So apparently Lopez is like, yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: just take credit for like heinous hate crimes. It's just
Speaker 1: how they roll. It's not actually you know how you
Speaker 1: were saying hole and roll a whole with a W
Speaker 1: and hole without. I guess for me, that's roll rol
Speaker 1: e and roll rol. You know, they're kind of like
Speaker 1: they're they're interchangeable to me.
Speaker 2: So we've just made it such a thing where it's
Speaker 2: like you don't know the difference between your and your
Speaker 2: and they're there and there, you stupid dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: I handle I keep myself off if I do it
Speaker 1: there the wrong for sure. But it's like, can we
Speaker 1: not just chill out? Like it's not dating him again?
Speaker 2: Use the wrong there, and it's like what if it
Speaker 2: was running to catch a train but still wanted a text.
Speaker 2: I just like, we've put so much pressure that you're
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot if you don't use the right one.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think it's so so like hard.
Speaker 1: I think it's also like kind of a unique thing
Speaker 1: to English that there are words that have multiple meanings
Speaker 1: that sound the same but are spelled differently. Like I
Speaker 1: don't really think I see that in other languages I've learned,
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong. Let me know. I don't.
Speaker 1: Also only have learned like three other languages, so I
Speaker 1: don't know all the languages of the world. But you
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of there there there bear, bear bear,
Speaker 1: Like you know all these different ways to spell words
Speaker 1: that they sound in the state. What is that called homophones? Okay,
Speaker 1: so right as they're talking about the area nation, you know,
Speaker 1: they probably have nothing to do with this. Finn walks
Speaker 1: in with a tip, and it's the dog walking couple.
Speaker 1: They must have seen something, and they say they saw
Speaker 1: a guy run out from the alley of the restaurant
Speaker 1: around ten forty five, and the girlfriend says he was white,
Speaker 1: but the boyfriend's like, I don't know. He could have
Speaker 1: been Arab or Hispanic or a dark haired guy from Greenwich,
Speaker 1: Like it's really hard to say. He was five ten
Speaker 1: five eleven, young twenties and he was running like hell.
Speaker 1: And the guy goes, what's happening in this country is insane?
Speaker 1: Like this is America, right, And I'm like, oh, buddy, Like,
Speaker 1: if I told you what comes next, you would not
Speaker 1: believe my ass. But for what happened before, yeah, like
Speaker 1: what I don't Yeah, this guy looks like a man
Speaker 1: of color. The guy who's doing the dog walking right, like, he,
Speaker 1: to me, looks like a man of color. And he's like, like,
Speaker 1: you don't believe that there's this kind of hey and
Speaker 1: racism in America. Okay, that's I'm good. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you are like incredulous, but I think it's also it
Speaker 1: was just dialed up right after Trump. People started just
Speaker 1: saying whatever. And so liv goes to talk to Maya
Speaker 1: and Layla about this bloody size ten footprint. So Maya goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. I don't know
Speaker 1: who that would be. The only people that have keys
Speaker 1: to the door are our family. And Laila goes and
Speaker 1: Yusuf and Yusuf is Maya's brother, but she goes but
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a key. He used to but not anymore.
Speaker 1: And she's really trying to brush the USIF thing out
Speaker 1: of the way. And Leila goes, but we need to
Speaker 1: know who did this, And Maya goes, I will do
Speaker 1: the talking for this family, do you understand me? And
Speaker 1: I just feel so bad for Leila because even at
Speaker 1: this moment where her father has passed away and she
Speaker 1: has this fiance who is conservative, even when there's a
Speaker 1: woman leading the family, the way that the family is
Speaker 1: being led is clearly like one person speaks for everybody right,
Speaker 1: or like one person is in charge. So the mom
Speaker 1: is like, don't talk, you know, which I feel sad
Speaker 1: for Leila. She'd love to find out who attacked her,
Speaker 1: you know, and lives like just talk to us, like,
Speaker 1: does Yuseff have a key? And Maya just calmly is
Speaker 1: like Yusef is not involved, and they're like, is he thin,
Speaker 1: mid twenties, dark hair, I mean, that's truly, you're describing
Speaker 1: a lot of people in New York. Leila goes yes,
Speaker 1: and Maya looks soapissed and begs live not to arrest him.
Speaker 1: So now they bust into this apartment looking for Usef.
Speaker 1: The roommate is there, and he is, as every SVU
Speaker 1: roommate has been for since the beginning of time, extremely
Speaker 1: bothered by their presence and unhelpful. He's like, do you
Speaker 1: have a warrant? Why are you here? And like They
Speaker 1: basically find out that Yusef is on the run. He's
Speaker 1: down the fire escape at chase ensues. He is quickly surrounded.
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know what happened at the restaurant,
Speaker 1: and he says. They're like, well, then why did you run?
Speaker 1: And he goes because I was afraid. I'm in the
Speaker 1: country illegally, And the next twist, I'm gay. If I
Speaker 1: get sent back to a refuge, can't they will kill me?
Speaker 1: So done done, So this is why Maya is so
Speaker 1: hasty to shut up all talk of yusif right. So
Speaker 1: in cement room, bars rollins and crease. He are trying
Speaker 1: to question yusif, but he won't talk to them at first,
Speaker 1: but then of course it takes like two more questions
Speaker 1: and it all comes spilling out. He was there, He
Speaker 1: saw it all happen, the whole attack. He wanted to
Speaker 1: do something, but he was afraid, and he feels like
Speaker 1: he let them all down. He tried to text nine
Speaker 1: to one one, but nothing happened. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I think you can text nine one one. And then
Speaker 1: he says he heard the sirens so he ran. He
Speaker 1: can't believe they would suggest he was associated with these
Speaker 1: three men. He was at the restaurant to do his chores,
Speaker 1: collect the trash clean. He wasn't supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: He usually does that stuff in the morning, but he
Speaker 1: had plans on Saturday, so blah blah blah. He came
Speaker 1: back into the back door at ten thirty, heard the screaming,
Speaker 1: saw the men with the masks. He hid. He regrets
Speaker 1: not grabbing a knife. He saw three men doing horrible
Speaker 1: things to his nieces, and there were just two of them.
Speaker 2: The casting is young and strange for this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he seems so young that those are his nieces. It
Speaker 2: kind of confused me, but I.
Speaker 1: Thought maybe he is like the younger baby brother and
Speaker 1: he comes from the States to live with his older
Speaker 1: sister because he'll be persecuted for his sexuality in his
Speaker 1: country and whatever.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but no, I just didn't see it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is a bummer to watch this happen
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I know. So that's like another
Speaker 1: family member that witnessed this whole fucking trauma go down.
Speaker 1: And he says, actually only two of them were really
Speaker 1: doing most of it, and the other guy was just
Speaker 1: standing there. And then he said he took off his
Speaker 1: mask for a few seconds. Again like why why would
Speaker 1: you do Why would that ever be a thing that
Speaker 1: you would do? And she he goes, I think he
Speaker 1: used to work for the restaurant. So now we're in
Speaker 1: the fish bowl, Finn and Liver chatting. Finn can't believe
Speaker 1: that this guy saw it all go down and then
Speaker 1: ran and never even called his sister about it afterwards,
Speaker 1: and lives like it's shame. It's fear if he reports
Speaker 1: the crime, he'll be deported. So Maya arrives and begs
Speaker 1: them not to call immigration, and livishs her like Yusuf
Speaker 1: is not arrested, like, don't worry. She hugs her brother
Speaker 1: and he's sorry for being so weak and not doing
Speaker 1: anything and begs for forgiveness, and Maya's like, I love
Speaker 1: you and I need you right now more than ever.
Speaker 1: And so they ask, Maya, are there any employees that
Speaker 1: you've had problems with? And she goes, not really, but
Speaker 1: we did have to fire a bunch of employees recently
Speaker 1: who were undocumented because we would get fined if they
Speaker 1: like with these raids that are going on, right, So
Speaker 1: we need a list of anyone you let go, and
Speaker 1: maybe you've got a group photo, like a party, and
Speaker 1: she goes, actually, I do. We have a party from
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago that they had when Shalla
Speaker 1: was accepted to Colombia. Like this episode just keeps twisting
Speaker 1: the knife, like this poor girl who died the most
Speaker 1: horrific death was also about to start her IVY League education,
Speaker 1: Like it's just so awful. So Yusuff identifies a guy
Speaker 1: named Hector in the in the picture and goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the guy I think I saw take off his mask.
Speaker 1: Maya's like that can't be We loved Hector we treated
Speaker 1: him like family. This is impossible. So now we're at
Speaker 1: Hector's apartment. The cops bust in on Hector's wife. Kristie
Speaker 1: finds they really like don't even knock, they like bust in.
Speaker 1: There's so many of them. There's two little kids that
Speaker 1: they would know about. They would know that this guy
Speaker 1: has two kids. They bust in. These two kids are
Speaker 1: playing in a room. Hector's hot just a spoiler spoiler,
Speaker 1: before the fire's hot. There's no sign of this hot man,
Speaker 1: this hot purp Rollins keeps telling his wife, who is yelling.
Speaker 1: She just keeps yelling, Please don't hurt my kids, Please
Speaker 1: don't hurt my kids. She's freaking out. And I bet
Speaker 1: she'd be a lot calmer if you guys like showed
Speaker 1: a warrant or something or told her what was going on.
Speaker 1: Just an idea. And she says she doesn't know where
Speaker 1: Hector is or when she last spoke to him, and
Speaker 1: Caristi goes, where is he Soli dad? He keeps calling
Speaker 1: her Soli dad and it's so funny to me, and
Speaker 1: Rowins threatens to call social services on her, and that's
Speaker 1: when she's like, Hector is at Leo's. It's a new restaurant,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty fifth, So they bust into Leo's,
Speaker 1: which looks nice. I would try it, and it's a
Speaker 1: whole scene CARIESI. They chase him down in the kitchen
Speaker 1: and they rough him up for seemingly no reason. He's
Speaker 1: speaking only Spanish, like he doesn't really resist and they're
Speaker 1: still like throwing him around and he's saying in Spanish,
Speaker 1: like what's going on. I don't understand. I'm not the guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy. So then in cement room bars
Speaker 1: they toss him in a chair for the Finn treatment
Speaker 1: and he admits he was angry when the Summers fired him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, they still owe me money, and they
Speaker 1: tell him that while a witness saw you take your
Speaker 1: ski mask off and saw you there, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I would never hurt the Samras, I didn't rape or
Speaker 1: murder anyone. And then just as Hector is about to spill,
Speaker 1: Rawins comes in to say interrogation's over his lawyers here,
Speaker 1: and Hector has no idea he has a lawyer. That's
Speaker 1: also another thing about the show, like maybe our lawyers
Speaker 1: that listen can weigh in, like in the time it
Speaker 1: took them to run this man from a restaurant to
Speaker 1: the precinct and throw him in a chair and ask
Speaker 1: him some questions. Literally, a pro bono lawyer has gotten simplication.
Speaker 1: Now I feel I thought maybe his girlfriend got no,
Speaker 1: no no. You find out she's a defense attorney named
Speaker 1: Naomi Ziggler, and you know, she seems like a no
Speaker 1: nonsense broad We've also seen her in the episodes mea
Speaker 1: culpa and assumptions. But Benson is like, oh, the immigration
Speaker 1: lawyers are really coming out of the woodwork, and I
Speaker 1: don't think she necessarily always means in a good way,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of them are trying to get cases
Speaker 1: that they think will like the way they're framing this.
Speaker 1: This case is super famous in the city. It's on
Speaker 1: the cover of every paper. And so if she gets
Speaker 1: word from anybody, I don't know how they hear about
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff that like a Mexican immigrant has
Speaker 1: been taken in for this. She's like, well, maybe I
Speaker 1: can get some notoriety out of this, and also I'm
Speaker 1: sure she wants to do the right thing. But they
Speaker 1: tell her, well, your clients is suspect and a hate
Speaker 1: crime and She's like, shut it down, no more talking,
Speaker 1: let me see him, and yeah, lives like, oh, all
Speaker 1: these immigration layers are really popping out right now out
Speaker 1: of the woodwork, and they need Yusef to help id
Speaker 1: hector in a lineup. So Yusuf and Maya show up
Speaker 1: and they have some asks before they do the lineup,
Speaker 1: and it is that Yusef can stay in the US
Speaker 1: and that no one discloses his illegal status during this
Speaker 1: entire process, and Benson's like, no one's going to hear
Speaker 1: that from US. So Maya says they can't have Usef deported,
Speaker 1: they will never see him again. And they also tell
Speaker 1: them that Laylah's fiance finally got back to the States,
Speaker 1: but Leila doesn't even want to see him. She's not herself.
Speaker 1: And It's like, yeah, I think she's forty eight hours
Speaker 1: out from one of the most horrific tragedies I've ever
Speaker 1: seen on the show. So you know, maybe we can
Speaker 1: give her a minute to adjust, And Benson's like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. New York is a sanctuary city. No
Speaker 1: one will know we're on your side, right So now
Speaker 1: at the lineup, Yusef toot sweet immediately I d's Hector,
Speaker 1: that's him, That's who I saw. I would say a
Speaker 1: defense attorney might be able to throw that out based
Speaker 1: on the fact that he's already spoken to his mother,
Speaker 1: who was there when he picked him out of the lineup.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like the idea you could
Speaker 1: throw it out, being like he worked at the restaurant,
Speaker 1: he might recognize him from there or whatever. But Hector's
Speaker 1: lawyer is begging for a deal, but no one is
Speaker 1: biting unless he coughs up the other two perps and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, Yusuf has to testify, and they offer
Speaker 1: him protective custody and he declines, but Live wants to
Speaker 1: give him in twenty four hour detail anyway, and Barba's like,
Speaker 1: it would be better if it was a detective, and
Speaker 1: so they taped Coreesy. So now back in cement roombars,
Speaker 1: Hector's denying even being there, and Live tells him like,
Speaker 1: we know you didn't mean to hurt the Samras, You're
Speaker 1: a good guy. Tell us who raped and killed Shala,
Speaker 1: who raped Laila, who killed Kannan? And he's still denying
Speaker 1: that he was there. He says he was with takes
Speaker 1: mask off like what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: this guy idd you like the jig is up, and
Speaker 1: then he's like, nope, I was home with my wife
Speaker 1: soladad and she will confirm, and it's like sure she will.
Speaker 1: It's like, of course, you like the how is the
Speaker 1: wife even ever really like a gray alibi? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like if they don't really care unless you
Speaker 1: ordered pay per view and use your credit card. Live
Speaker 1: arrests Hector for the rape and murder with a hate
Speaker 1: crime enhancement. Now there are no forensics, they've gotten nothing,
Speaker 1: but the Hector id to go on and Live is
Speaker 1: saying what I've been saying. These are not sophisticated criminals.
Speaker 1: They were not organized, and so we've got to get
Speaker 1: something else, Like there's got to be something Eyebrows wants
Speaker 1: Hector arraign to show the Muslim community the NYPD is
Speaker 1: making progress, you know all that all Eyebrows or like
Speaker 1: or Circumission, like all those guys ever want is like
Speaker 1: the press to let like let it look like the
Speaker 1: NYPD is doing the right thing or whatever. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of annoying because you know, Bence, it's about solving
Speaker 1: the crime and getting the real people. So at the
Speaker 1: Samra's house, Layla, the rape victim, is serving her uncle
Speaker 1: and Careesy tea, and the uncle starts to make a
Speaker 1: comment about her skirt before stopping her himself, and then
Speaker 1: he goes, no, no, it's it's very it's very nice.
Speaker 1: It's very fashionable. And they have this kind of like
Speaker 1: tense moment and he says he needs cigarettes, and Leila's like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't smoke, and He's like, well, I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: attracted to men either way. I'm going to the bodega
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe is merch. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Carrisy goes with and I shouldn't be attracted.
Speaker 3: To men either way.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the bodega on a sweatshirt kind of fun.
Speaker 1: But Careese is like, what was up with that skirt conversation?
Speaker 1: I mean, Coursey's never like learned a thing I guess
Speaker 1: about other cultures or how things work, and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: Muslims believe in modesty and hiding the shape to stop
Speaker 1: unwanted sexual advances, and like, was he fucking shaming her
Speaker 1: when he has to deal with all this unfair shame?
Speaker 1: Like what I feel? Like, what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: in the episode is show like, even though he is
Speaker 1: part of a marginalized community within his own community, he
Speaker 1: still upholds these patriarchal it's like like beliefs and ways
Speaker 1: of being that they've all upheld and how they've what
Speaker 1: they've all grown up with. I think it's almost supposed
Speaker 1: to be, like he caught himself and was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: never mind, No, it's a nice skirt. It's a nice skirt.
Speaker 1: Like it's just he knows that when you see a
Speaker 1: short skirt on a woman, you're supposed to be like
Speaker 1: uh ah, Like that's how he's been taught his whole life.
Speaker 1: I'm also like upset that they're making this girl who
Speaker 1: was viciously attacked serve them, you know, like their tea.
Speaker 1: But so he's explaining all this stuff about Muslims to
Speaker 1: Careesi and they're walking through a massive protest on the
Speaker 1: sidewalk for some reason, like most of the time protests
Speaker 1: are happening at like government buildings or like in certain areas,
Speaker 1: or it's like a walking protest. This is just a
Speaker 1: bunch of people outside of his bodega and they're protesting,
Speaker 1: and they start debating the futility of protests, like you
Speaker 1: Sif says, it won't change anything, like we've seen it
Speaker 1: a million times. People protest, nothing changes increases Like no, no,
Speaker 1: I disagree. People using their voices to refuse to be
Speaker 1: oppressed is what this country is all about. And at
Speaker 1: this exact moment, Ice rolls up like a ton of
Speaker 1: them and they run straight for you. So well you
Speaker 1: can't say Ice, you know what? Who? I thought it was?
Speaker 1: Oh Iced tea? Oh no, I'm sorry he shows up? No, sorry,
Speaker 1: come on, well it's Ice, it's Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.
Speaker 1: They roll up and there's a lot of them, like
Speaker 1: they sent a lot of them to grab one guy.
Speaker 1: And why who do we ever find out who called
Speaker 1: on him or whatever? Like why was he the well?
Speaker 1: And I'm not and I've not caught a lot in
Speaker 1: this episode. I was like, wait, those are his nieces?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what I was watching. I don't
Speaker 1: know what. Yeah, we never find out who gets Ice,
Speaker 1: but maybe they're mad about something like who. Well, obviously
Speaker 1: we find out later that he has like other stuff,
Speaker 1: but like, I still don't understand someone would have had
Speaker 1: to call Ice and say this man is at this
Speaker 1: apartment and day getting cigarettes find him in the protest.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy how they laser focus on him. They
Speaker 1: don't say Useef Samra, like, they don't even ask for
Speaker 1: his like anything. They just go right at him and
Speaker 1: he runs and the Creasey is trying to reason with
Speaker 1: these fucks, but it's like no use. He's like no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm NYPD, like he's a material witness in a murder investigation,
Speaker 1: like you can't like whatever, And then they're like we
Speaker 1: don't care, and they grab him and Creasy is like
Speaker 1: literally trying to get Barba on the line and doesn't
Speaker 1: stop this from happening, and Yusuf says, you promised me
Speaker 1: as they throw him in a van. It's really really
Speaker 1: awful because you're just like watching this man so terrified
Speaker 1: of him and they did promise yes, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess protective, But like, what would have happened if, like
Speaker 1: the police had showed up to his house? I mean,
Speaker 1: if ice had showed up to his Like, would they
Speaker 1: have been able to just go get him? I feel
Speaker 1: like a police officer being like you don't actually have
Speaker 1: a warrant, you have no right to come in here,
Speaker 1: probably would have stopped them, but I don't know. Barbara
Speaker 1: is on the steps giving his first press conference of
Speaker 1: the episode. I don't worry. There are many more with
Speaker 1: Live and Eyebrows giving an update that a suspect has
Speaker 1: been arraigned, but they don't really give any comments or details. Okay,
Speaker 1: and Dodds is like, we don't really like to Live.
Speaker 1: He goes, we don't really want people to think we're
Speaker 1: scapegoating an undocumented Mexican and that we support all this
Speaker 1: crazy shit that's happening down in DC, and Live cares
Speaker 1: like two people have been murdered and raped, Like who
Speaker 1: cares what I do? And I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: like not muddy the case in the public opinion. They're like, jet, well,
Speaker 1: let's just say we have a suspect, don't say who
Speaker 1: he is, so that there's not more like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: now you're taking this like you're just taking him because
Speaker 1: he's undocumented or whatever. So Live then gets a call
Speaker 1: on her phone and it's it's that to let her
Speaker 1: know that Yuseff has been grabbed Ice the bad Ice,
Speaker 1: not Tea, and Barba starts working on the warrant and
Speaker 1: Live like busts her ass to get to the ice
Speaker 1: field office. So now she's talking to an absolute in
Speaker 1: cell with the most punishable face you've ever seen, and
Speaker 1: she's like, do you have a warrant? And Live goes,
Speaker 1: go get your boss, and he's like, go get my boss,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I know you're young, but I'm experienced
Speaker 1: and I've got friends. And he's like, is that a threat?
Speaker 1: And she just nods, like she doesn't even give him
Speaker 1: a glare that she normally gives. She nods basically like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking call in a favor if you don't
Speaker 1: get your in cell ass out of my face. He
Speaker 1: absolutely caves, takes them to another office and talk to
Speaker 1: a woman with an asymmetrical haircut, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a mess. We don't have enough places to
Speaker 1: put these guys. We're not exactly a well oiled machine,
Speaker 1: which I thought was a funny phrase because literally every
Speaker 1: guest we've ever talked to is that's how they describe
Speaker 1: the set of us for you. So Live's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: can you explain what's going on? This is a sanctuary city.
Speaker 1: You aren't supposed to just be rounding up immigrants, and
Speaker 1: she goes, yes, we are. That's literally our job. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that you think NYPD is above federal law, and
Speaker 1: she goes, this is a double rape, double homicide. He
Speaker 1: is more valuable here than in a refugee camp in Syria,
Speaker 1: and bad Haircut is like, that's why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: help you, and then she gets a little pang on
Speaker 1: her computer and goes, Okay, good news he's in Paterson,
Speaker 1: New Jersey right now. Bad news is he's been deported
Speaker 1: before for overstaying a student visa, which is going to
Speaker 1: make them more pissed at him. So she's like, gets
Speaker 1: a Patterson asap, and have your material witness a warrant
Speaker 1: in your hands. So in Patterson they're talking to another
Speaker 1: absolute pudding head ice freak with a Southern accent. Not
Speaker 1: to stereotype, but this actor made a choice. He's telling them, Oh,
Speaker 1: the warrant doesn't stand. It's state versus federal, and he's
Speaker 1: not here and they won't say where he is. And
Speaker 1: Yusuf is a national security threat is what this guy
Speaker 1: is saying. And Live says two people are dead, and
Speaker 1: you're going to deport the only person who can id
Speaker 1: one of the perpetrators, and then he goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get into politics, think y'all should leave before
Speaker 1: things get unpleasant. That literally sentence has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with what she just said. Two people are dead. It's
Speaker 1: like he knows who is dead. He knows that it's
Speaker 1: Muslim people. And he's like, I don't really want to
Speaker 1: get political. I think you guys should just see yourselves out,
Speaker 1: and then lives like it's already gotten unpleasant, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so why don't you get the hell out of here?
Speaker 1: And so his southern hospitality drops like a bad habit
Speaker 1: pretty quick, and Barbara is like, or what. He's got
Speaker 1: a huge little his barber, a little smug smile on
Speaker 1: his face. He goes, or what are you going to
Speaker 1: deport me to Cuba? You're going to take him back
Speaker 1: to Italy? And the guy who looks like a thumb goes,
Speaker 1: y'all have a nice day. And he's so smug and shitty,
Speaker 1: and they're about to go check all the airports when
Speaker 1: the other ICE agent that's standing there, who I guess
Speaker 1: has a shred of a moral compass, goes the plane
Speaker 1: left ten minutes ago, and they're like what and He's
Speaker 1: like I got people are stuck forever, and then because
Speaker 1: they needed him, they they made it fast or they
Speaker 1: always do it fast. That It's like, so they was
Speaker 1: trying to ruin everything for everyone all at once. It
Speaker 1: would have like made more sense to me if like
Speaker 1: Buchanan was the lawyer for him, like or somebody that
Speaker 1: would have done something like this, like called ice and said,
Speaker 1: this guy's overstated his visa, get him out, and you
Speaker 1: should get him out real quick because the cops are
Speaker 1: going to try to keep him in the country, you know.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't believe that Naomi whatever is her name,
Speaker 1: I forgot Geigert, what is it whatever. I just don't
Speaker 1: believe that she did that on this person. But whatever,
Speaker 1: maybe she's vicious and we don't know. But anyway, what
Speaker 1: I yeah, I kind of said the same thing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: the plane less left ten minutes ago. That's gotta be
Speaker 1: a record, like to be deported within two hours basically
Speaker 1: of getting grabbed. I mean, it can be more than
Speaker 1: two or three hours. Like he was grabbed. They immediately
Speaker 1: went to this woman. They talked to her. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes it was hard doing that to people like you
Speaker 1: don't know what it'll be and what you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like those people that are yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: people that have been in Dilly for like months, That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like what is They're just trying to
Speaker 1: inflict the most amount of harm they can or something.
Speaker 1: So liv obviously looks devastated, like she's upset that she's
Speaker 1: made this promise to this family and now this man
Speaker 1: is like most likely gonna die when he or and
Speaker 1: die not in a great way when he goes back
Speaker 1: to his like Syria, a refugee camp. So at the precinct,
Speaker 1: they're trying to come up with a plan. They found
Speaker 1: a couple of strands of Hector's hair, but like, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. He used to work there. They
Speaker 1: have to release him or indict him, and lives like
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? So cut to Barbara press
Speaker 1: conference number two of this episode. We have released Hector Ramirez.
Speaker 1: He is the prime suspect and we expect to indict
Speaker 1: him very soon. Another protest outside the courthouse. As Hector
Speaker 1: walks out with his lawyer, the crowd boos him. A
Speaker 1: glass shatters, thing goes it's going down, and the crowd
Speaker 1: all starts fighting. It's basically this is like a dick wolf.
Speaker 1: Look at how bad things are right now. Okay, So
Speaker 1: back at the precinct, they're watching the chaos on TV
Speaker 1: when walks back in and Lopez is there and tells
Speaker 1: her Leila and Maya are here, and she is pissed. Maya.
Speaker 1: She's like, you promised that you stuff would be safe.
Speaker 1: We need him to testify. Maya wants to like They're like,
Speaker 1: we're sorry, like we didn't know how this happened, like
Speaker 1: and they're like, he's already on a plane, and Maya goes,
Speaker 1: well then get him back and lives like I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that's possible, and she's like, so you're just he's
Speaker 1: just gone. And now Hector is free, and finnbusts in
Speaker 1: and is like, there's a situation now. I mean, this
Speaker 1: episode it just keeps getting more wild. A while, the
Speaker 1: cops are surrounding a bar where some Muslim men are
Speaker 1: holding Hector Ramirez hostage, and inside the bar, the two
Speaker 1: guys are there with Hector. One has a gun on
Speaker 1: him and is screaming to know who hurt the Samras
Speaker 1: tell us now, and then Hector's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: I don't know. Then there's like another guy who's just
Speaker 1: like the guy without a gun that's like, uh, like
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like I don't think he expected
Speaker 1: this to be like a full hostage situation where like
Speaker 1: cops are outside surrounding the fucking bill and Hector's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, and outside, the cop
Speaker 1: handling the situation with Live is kind of a dick
Speaker 1: and he's like not listening to any of Lib's advice.
Speaker 1: And then a sniper just shoots through the window and
Speaker 1: shoots the guy through the fucking head, like finds a shot.
Speaker 1: And then we just watched this guy who has a
Speaker 1: gun on Hector just get his brains blown out. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's crazy that Hector's saying, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know who the guys are. Give
Speaker 1: their names. There's a gun to your head. This guy's
Speaker 1: not law enforcement. He could literally fucking kill you at
Speaker 1: any moment. Just say the names. Why are you protecting
Speaker 1: these guys so hard? So then Hector is like kind
Speaker 1: of pissed when they come in. He's like, they were
Speaker 1: gonna kill me and it's like, yeah, well they didn't.
Speaker 1: And it's like, this whole thing is such a mess.
Speaker 1: It's like and don'tknock, like they were gonna kill you
Speaker 1: for no reason. Dude, you do have information to a
Speaker 1: horrific crime that you're not giving up. So this whole
Speaker 1: fucking thing is a mess. And that's the end of
Speaker 1: American Dream. And we go right into sanctuary. If you
Speaker 1: have Hulu without commercials, I do so. Hector tells them
Speaker 1: he was in the bar getting drunk after being locked
Speaker 1: up for three days. Wow, I guess yeah, I would
Speaker 1: need a drink after three days and walk up and
Speaker 1: these guys held a gone on him and demanded to
Speaker 1: know who hurt the Samras and lives, like you let
Speaker 1: this happen. You let those girls get raped and Shaha
Speaker 1: and Kanan get murdered. And until you tell us who
Speaker 1: did it, this all this isn't going away. And the
Speaker 1: combo is interrupted by his lawyer once again waiting by
Speaker 1: the damn phone for this fucking guy, and Finn goes
Speaker 1: the decision for Hector not to talk to us is
Speaker 1: really stupid, and she goes, well, you guys have dick,
Speaker 1: so excuse me while I take my client to the hospital.
Speaker 1: So it turns out Neither of these guys in the
Speaker 1: bar has a record. They just wanted justice for the Samras.
Speaker 1: And the wife is backing up Hector's alibi. We've got
Speaker 1: to crack her story. So at his apartment, his wife
Speaker 1: is so mad at the cops. She's like, everybody hates us.
Speaker 1: Now we can't go out, we can't take the kids outside.
Speaker 1: And it's like, do you think it's because your husband
Speaker 1: was involved in a horrific crime, Like, it's not because
Speaker 1: of like the cops, you know, Corisium Rollins try to
Speaker 1: break this woman again, lightly threatening to call social services,
Speaker 1: threatening to punish her for perjury, and she kicks them
Speaker 1: out of the apartment. Now we're talking to Maya and Layla,
Speaker 1: and they they knew the guy a Kif who had
Speaker 1: been shot by the cops, the one who was like
Speaker 1: holding Hector at gunpoint. And they're like, anything you can
Speaker 1: can remember that might put Hector at the restaurant that night,
Speaker 1: And Maya says, well, I do remember that when the
Speaker 1: guys walked in, one of them went straight to the
Speaker 1: security camera camera like he knew where it was to
Speaker 1: turn it off. Like so that's like helpful, right, So
Speaker 1: now we're talking to Barba and the security camera fingerprint.
Speaker 1: They do find one of Hector's fingerprints on the camera,
Speaker 1: again not strong enough because he worked there. Now we
Speaker 1: find out Solidad is undocumented, and Barba says, and he goes,
Speaker 1: let's call Ice. And they're all like, come on, like
Speaker 1: that is not our vibe. And Barba's like, well, we
Speaker 1: can at least threaten it, and Cariese's like turned up.
Speaker 1: He's like, this is New York City. It's a sanctuary city.
Speaker 1: And Barba's like, I don't give a fuck. I'm siding
Speaker 1: with the victims, not the wife of the perp, and
Speaker 1: Live actually agrees and says, with what happening in the
Speaker 1: city right now, we need to play every card on
Speaker 1: the deck. Bring in Solidad on her kids. So they
Speaker 1: bring in Solidad and absolutely use her two girls as
Speaker 1: chest pieces to threaten her to tell the truth or
Speaker 1: Live threatens to call Ice. Live goes, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this. Give me another option, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to call Ice and Soladad says nothing, and so
Speaker 1: she picks up the phone. She gets asymmetrical haircut at
Speaker 1: AKA special Agent Phillips on the horn and starts reporting
Speaker 1: Solidad and Solodad says, okay, wait stop. Benson has basically
Speaker 1: already done the reporting, like Phelips picks up. She goes, Hi, Phelps,
Speaker 1: I've got an undocumented woman from ex country here, you know,
Speaker 1: and she's refusing to help an investigation. And then Solodad goes, okay,
Speaker 1: wait stop, and then Benson goes, okay, worked itself out,
Speaker 1: like we're supposed to believe that Phillips doesn't go send
Speaker 1: someone over and get this bitch, Like there's no way
Speaker 1: that Ice is like, okay, never mind, we won't come
Speaker 1: get her. Then, you know, like, because what a favor
Speaker 1: for Benson. I don't think so, and so she goes stop.
Speaker 1: Solodad goes, Hector wasn't home that night until late. He
Speaker 1: came in at two am and he had blood on
Speaker 1: his shoes, and Finn asks live if she was really
Speaker 1: going to go through with it, and she does it
Speaker 1: answer she just says, just go pick up Hector. So
Speaker 1: everybody's everybody's moral compasses are being tested to their limits
Speaker 1: in this episode. In cement room bars with Hector and
Speaker 1: his lawyer again, they're like, we got you, bro, It's
Speaker 1: time to make a deal. CARIESI promises him. If he testifies,
Speaker 1: his wife and kids will be safe, and he goes, okay,
Speaker 1: I was drinking with these two guys who I know
Speaker 1: from another job, Mitch Jenkins and Stevie Cole. I was
Speaker 1: pissed about getting fired. They wanted to mess with the Samras.
Speaker 1: We were going to trash the place send a message,
Speaker 1: but then Kannan fought back, and then they went after
Speaker 1: Leila and Shalla. I wanted the money. I did not
Speaker 1: want what happened, and so he gives up where these
Speaker 1: guys live, like he knows where Stevie and Mitch live.
Speaker 1: So they go find Stevie at a biker garage and
Speaker 1: all the bikers act all tough, saying like where's the warrant?
Speaker 1: And then Finn mentions it's a double homicide, double rape,
Speaker 1: and suddenly these tough guys are really hands off. Suddenly
Speaker 1: they're like, whoa, okay, we don't want any of that. No,
Speaker 1: we don't want that smoke. So they arrest Stevie, who
Speaker 1: is shocked, like what, like you never thought there was
Speaker 1: a world where the cops were going to come in
Speaker 1: here and grab you for what you did four days ago.
Speaker 1: That's all over the news, like wild, but it's like
Speaker 1: you always say, like the audacity of these men, they're
Speaker 1: just like I'm not getting caught, you know. So this
Speaker 1: guy is very familiar the actor. His name is Ben Thompson,
Speaker 1: but I looked him up and I do not know him.
Speaker 1: And there were also two x's by his name, which
Speaker 1: lead me to believe that there are twenty Ben Thompson's
Speaker 1: on IMTB, which made me laugh. So they show Lopez
Speaker 1: arresting Mitch Jenkins while he's screaming at his wife Carlen
Speaker 1: to call a lawyer, and not like in a call
Speaker 1: my lawyer, like in a carle like you know, this
Speaker 1: man is abusive, and Carlene is played by friend of
Speaker 1: the pod, Emma Miles. One of our first Orange is
Speaker 1: the new Black Pokemon that we collected in our collection,
Speaker 1: and they have a young son there who who is
Speaker 1: scared and confused, and Carlene is freaking out, and Rollins
Speaker 1: has to physically restrain a hysterical wife once again and
Speaker 1: ask her for her to chill out in the second
Speaker 1: time this episode. And Rollins is like really big this
Speaker 1: episode on using kids to give these moms guilt trips,
Speaker 1: like she goes straight for the kids with these moms,
Speaker 1: and now they have CV the first idiot incident from
Speaker 1: bars and he's all over the place. First he thinks
Speaker 1: he knows the law, then it turns out he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Then he calls Hector a slur. Then he turns around
Speaker 1: and says, I couldn't have done it. It's not who
Speaker 1: I am. So then he asks for a lawyer. This
Speaker 1: guy is like, truly has doesn't even have a lie
Speaker 1: the whole police car ride there, he didn't even come
Speaker 1: up with a good lie. So now talking to Mitch,
Speaker 1: Lopez is acting. Lopez keeps asking him if he smoked
Speaker 1: a little meth, and I'm like, when did meth enter
Speaker 1: the equation? Like, I don't know why they're adding meth
Speaker 1: to it, but I guess the victim said she smelled
Speaker 1: tequila on you. And he goes, must have been Hector.
Speaker 1: Mexicans love tequila and raping. Just ask the president, is
Speaker 1: what says. So he calls out Lopez and goes, you
Speaker 1: would just want to stick it to Whitey instead of
Speaker 1: one of your little amigos. I mean, this guy is
Speaker 1: an extreme shithead. And they tell him, oh, well, you
Speaker 1: know the girl that you raped lived and she remembers
Speaker 1: it about you and like and she could identify your
Speaker 1: voice and stuff like that, so I would pipe down.
Speaker 1: And he's like, tell that Muslim bitch to take the
Speaker 1: stand and get twelve red blooded Americans to believe her.
Speaker 1: So this man's really leading with racism first off, Like
Speaker 1: that's the forward. Those are the most strong notes in
Speaker 1: this man. He says, I didn't do it, but I
Speaker 1: wish I did, okay oj And then these terrorists deserve
Speaker 1: what they get. He says, just ask my cousin Susan,
Speaker 1: her husband got blown away on nine to eleven. They
Speaker 1: want to kill us all like watch his cousin Susan
Speaker 1: is like literally like a chain letter. It's like not
Speaker 1: even real. Like he's like, I mean I never met
Speaker 1: her before, but I got this email. So he says,
Speaker 1: stupid white liberals are the problem. And then he says,
Speaker 1: get me a lawyer, your bitch to Rollins, And the
Speaker 1: way she lunges at him with a quickness, it got
Speaker 1: my heart right up. Like she's like around the table
Speaker 1: in two seconds, Like what'd you fucking say to me?
Speaker 1: And we know Rollins runs, so don't try it, you
Speaker 1: little shit bag. Like she's fast she'll get you, and
Speaker 1: then they obviously have to hold her back, and he's like,
Speaker 1: see you, and she goes see you. In court, bitch.
Speaker 1: I don't think she said bitch. I think I added that,
Speaker 1: but that's her vibe. So in court, Hector's on the
Speaker 1: stand explaining what happened the night of the crime. Mitch
Speaker 1: raped Shalla. Cevie raped Leila. Shalla started screaming, so Mitch
Speaker 1: smashed her head against the floor and she died. Barba,
Speaker 1: I know, it's fucking terrible because we still don't even
Speaker 1: we didn't even know the context in which that, like,
Speaker 1: the full story of how that happened. So Barba's now
Speaker 1: in press conference number three announcing the indictment. Shortly afterwards,
Speaker 1: two gunshots ring out people the fact that there is
Speaker 1: not like a line of security guards on the front
Speaker 1: steps of the New York City Courthouse, judging by how
Speaker 1: many people have just been shot outside of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: Lewis Black, Kyle, know, all kinds of people have been
Speaker 1: shot on these goddamns, like, you got to have more security.
Speaker 1: So the gun sharts shot, sorry, the gun sharts. It
Speaker 1: was the religious mom. Oh, but she hit Lewis Black. Yeah, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: Dana Delaney. So the gun sharts as I said, ring out.
Speaker 1: Uh Careese starts right, yeah, by accident, then I repeated it.
Speaker 1: I called myself out on it already, but CARESI starts
Speaker 1: booking it towards the gunshots. He full body slams some
Speaker 1: civilian out of the way, which I think is just
Speaker 1: for us. I guess, like he's just like boom, this
Speaker 1: person is on the floor. He gets to the scene
Speaker 1: just as another cop is tackling the gunman, who is
Speaker 1: calling Hector a monster. Because yet is it is revealed
Speaker 1: and yet another twist. Hector has been killed. So the
Speaker 1: gunman is yelling he's a monster, he's scum, he's dirty.
Speaker 1: So again it's like, I know Hector was part of
Speaker 1: the problem, but he was also the only witness, Like
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing? Like everyone needs to stop
Speaker 1: with the vigilante justice in this case. At the hospital,
Speaker 1: we found out that the bullet nicked his a orda
Speaker 1: and it's pretty bad. The shooters named Keith Skinner twenty eight, unemployed,
Speaker 1: went to high school with Stevie. So is that did
Speaker 1: he get put up to that even the Aryan Brotherhood
Speaker 1: would deny this guy's application, they say. A doctor comes out,
Speaker 1: second doctor of the episode to tell us that somebody
Speaker 1: did not make it. Hector is dead. He's their only witness.
Speaker 1: They have to put these two freaks behind bars, so
Speaker 1: it's back to work. Uh oh, Sola Dad shows up
Speaker 1: with the girls, and she obviously freaks out at Live
Speaker 1: when she finds out, and I like, of course, all
Speaker 1: her grief, but she's also blaming Live for making him
Speaker 1: a target, and it's like, no, he was involved in
Speaker 1: a double rape, double homicide. I think you have to
Speaker 1: let him take the l on this one. You know,
Speaker 1: he made himself a target. But she's grieving. She is sobbing.
Speaker 1: The two little girls are there. It's very sad. And
Speaker 1: as you said, he was hot at the precinct. Our
Speaker 1: girl Emma aka Carleen is there, and once again, Rollins
Speaker 1: goes straight for the kids talking to Carleen and goes,
Speaker 1: if you keep lying to protect Mitch, it's really not
Speaker 1: good for little Tyler. And it's like us basically a
Speaker 1: repeat of the earlier storyline. Carlene is alibying her dirt
Speaker 1: bag husband like they truly just made the same story
Speaker 1: happen twice, and like you guys have domestics and every
Speaker 1: time you drop the charges and they're like and they go,
Speaker 1: Carlene goes, you don't give a damn about my kid
Speaker 1: because he's white and not an immigrant or trans. We
Speaker 1: won't even we don't even matter anymore. And that's what
Speaker 1: the problem is with this country. So okay, eyebrows, I
Speaker 1: guess has like never been on the internet and he
Speaker 1: just cannot believe the hate coming out of these people.
Speaker 1: And Barba's like it's always been this way. People just
Speaker 1: feel more empowered now to shout it from the rooftops
Speaker 1: and live is like, well, I think Carlen is an
Speaker 1: abuse victim. I think we need to come out her
Speaker 1: that way. But she certainly has swallowed some Fox News
Speaker 1: talking points. Okay, so they have put these three guys
Speaker 1: together in the neighborhood. Lopez is on it. They caught
Speaker 1: a break at like a deli three blocks from the
Speaker 1: Samra restaurant where they have Mitch, Cevie and Hector together
Speaker 1: on tape. But it's not enough. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how. So then in walks Maya going oopsie doodle,
Speaker 1: I actually forgot to tell you, guys, I did see
Speaker 1: the attackers' faces, and it was those guys that you have,
Speaker 1: Mitch and Stevie, And she goes, you know, they threatened me,
Speaker 1: and so I couldn't tell Benson before, but now that
Speaker 1: they're in jail, I'm not afraid, and let me at
Speaker 1: that witness stand. I saw them. There's just like no way,
Speaker 1: like they've already been arraigned, I think, which means like
Speaker 1: their names are public, and so there's just no way
Speaker 1: that Ben's Barbara would even put this woman on the
Speaker 1: stand with this reverse. But guess what they do and
Speaker 1: she tells them later She goes, no, I saw them
Speaker 1: for sure. No one else saw their faces, just me.
Speaker 1: They pulled off their masks just for a few seconds.
Speaker 1: And Lena Live thinks Maya's lying and is like and
Speaker 1: is asking Barbara, like do you believe her? And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: it's not my job to believe her, Like I'm willing
Speaker 1: to go with it because it's plausible, and Benson's like plausible, bitch,
Speaker 1: Like that's not good enough for me, And barb is
Speaker 1: telling Live like, look, our legal system is the best
Speaker 1: that there is, and it isn't perfect and it isn't pure,
Speaker 1: and so we cut to court where Maya is testifying
Speaker 1: against the men. They put her on the stand because
Speaker 1: Barba wants to get these guys at all costs and
Speaker 1: thinks why not roll the dice. She explains how they
Speaker 1: threatened her, how anger made her decide to tell the
Speaker 1: truth about seeing their faces, and then a defense attorney,
Speaker 1: when it's his trying to question her, is calling her
Speaker 1: out for lying and is basically accusing her of changing
Speaker 1: her story because she knows the case is weak. And
Speaker 1: then suddenly Maya says, on the stand in open court, no,
Speaker 1: I actually told Benson this weeks ago. I told her
Speaker 1: weeks ago that I saw the attacker's faces. So Benson's
Speaker 1: getting scooted right under that bus. That's how bad this
Speaker 1: woman wants justice for her family. How bad Barbara. Everybody
Speaker 1: wants justice because I think they think if there's justice
Speaker 1: in this case, maybe that sends a message that we
Speaker 1: can't just have anarchy in this country right now and
Speaker 1: people can't just like express their hate through violence the
Speaker 1: way that the Prince President is sort of making it
Speaker 1: seem like you can. Outside the courtroom, Benson and Rowinds
Speaker 1: are talking and Rollins is like, yeah, it was really
Speaker 1: with her until she said that you knew, and Benson goes, bitch,
Speaker 1: you know that never happened, right, And then Barbara comes
Speaker 1: up and goes, can I chat with you? Benson goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that never happened, right, And he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: she's been through a lot. She could have fucked up
Speaker 1: the timeline. And Benson's like, why what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Are you telling me to like back the story? And
Speaker 1: Barbara goes, no, I'm saying she's a human. I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you what to say. But it's like he sort
Speaker 1: of is intimating it right, and he tells her she
Speaker 1: needs to do what she believes is right. It's like, Barbara,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to do something that you wanted to do,
Speaker 1: you got to know if you say do what's right,
Speaker 1: she's going to do the actual right thing. That's the
Speaker 1: Benson play. So now Benson is playing with toddler Noah.
Speaker 1: This is his last episode Audios to my favorite Noah.
Speaker 1: He's not in the show anymore after this one. And
Speaker 1: there is a knock and she thinks it's Lucy, her
Speaker 1: babysitter slash co parent, but it is eyebrows Dods and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I was just in theighborhood. And she
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't think people said that anymore. And
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm just here to give you advice. There
Speaker 1: are no good choices or bad choices. Whatever you choose
Speaker 1: your good I'm going to make sure your backside is covered.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I didn't know my backside needed covering,
Speaker 1: and like, also, sir, like one hr seminar, I don't
Speaker 1: think you should be talking about your subordinates asses in
Speaker 1: any way. But and he's like, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: in this situation. I'm good at rationalizing. And she goes, well,
Speaker 1: what would you have told Mike, you know, Mike Dodds
Speaker 1: baby Dodds, who has passed, And he goes, same thing,
Speaker 1: I just told you. So now we're wondering what's Benson
Speaker 1: going to do. Is she going to go with what
Speaker 1: these two men in her life that she respects and
Speaker 1: works with have to say, or is she going to
Speaker 1: do what she thinks is right. So in court, she's
Speaker 1: back on the stand. She's sticking to the truth as
Speaker 1: she always does. That Maya story did not change until
Speaker 1: after Hector was shot and killed, and that's normal, she says,
Speaker 1: for victims of trauma, and Benson shared. There's a quick
Speaker 1: look with Maya, who looks disappointed that Benson didn't go
Speaker 1: along with it, but she does throw in there, I
Speaker 1: don't think she's doing this maliciously. I think she's doing
Speaker 1: this because victims of trauma can change their stories. I
Speaker 1: just can't tell you that this was told to me
Speaker 1: when it was said, it was told to me. Outside
Speaker 1: the courtroom, Maya approaches Benson, furious, you said you would
Speaker 1: help us, you said you cared, you don't care. She's pissed.
Speaker 1: Leila leads her away. Benson looks shook, and then Carlene,
Speaker 1: the wife of Mitch, comes has been watching this whole interaction,
Speaker 1: and she comes up to Benson and goes, they're angry
Speaker 1: at you, huh, because you didn't back her story about
Speaker 1: seeing my husband. I do not know what is causing
Speaker 1: this woman's change in complete personality that she would have
Speaker 1: any empathy for this like brown family, after she's just
Speaker 1: been literally being like white people are being persecuted. And
Speaker 1: Benson is like, girl, your husband is guilty as fuck,
Speaker 1: and Carlene is like, I know what they did, and
Speaker 1: Benson is like, so do something about it. And She's like,
Speaker 1: I know he's a bad guy. You've called the police,
Speaker 1: and you know you could be his next victim. Like
Speaker 1: come on, like tell the truth for you and your
Speaker 1: son and then take a step towards freedom and safety. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now on the stand, Carline is testifying and when
Speaker 1: they ask her if her husband was with her that night,
Speaker 1: she says no, he was not, and she says I
Speaker 1: lied when I alibied him. He is furious, of course.
Speaker 1: Over at the defense table, she says she didn't see
Speaker 1: him until early the next morning and he had blood
Speaker 1: on his pants and shoes. Her husband, Mitch, gets up
Speaker 1: and fucking runs for her, ass like he might dream
Speaker 1: roll a dream roll, yeah, like he is going to
Speaker 1: kill her. He runs for her and he gets obviously subdued.
Speaker 1: And now Barba is in press conference number four, saying
Speaker 1: justice has been served, literally the fourth time in the episode.
Speaker 1: He is standing on the steps surrounded by press. We
Speaker 1: gotta do a drinking game. Yeah yeah, maybe we'll say
Speaker 1: it in the intro for this episode, drink every time
Speaker 1: Barbara has a press conference or you see a protest,
Speaker 1: You'll be wasted. By the end of this episode, Barba's
Speaker 1: in press Conference number four, saying justice has been served
Speaker 1: so clearly these guys were found guilty. Finn says, hell
Speaker 1: of a case. Benson says hell of a year, and
Speaker 1: he's like, you got the conviction, that's all that matters,
Speaker 1: and Live goes. I wish it were that simple. And
Speaker 1: then Barba's at the precinct now offering to buy Live
Speaker 1: a drink and she's like, no, I got to get home,
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you upset with me? And she's like,
Speaker 1: we all have to answer to our own gods, and
Speaker 1: he says, luckily, mine is a little more accepting than yours.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what that joke is, Like, I
Speaker 1: know Rishkahargate is religious, but I don't really feel like
Speaker 1: they've ever said that Benson is religious, and so I
Speaker 1: think they're just talking about their internal gods, like Benson
Speaker 1: is the god of like justice, that is completely the
Speaker 1: right thing all the time, and Barba's is a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Even with her, we know that's not true.
Speaker 1: She's made a couple, Ben's for sure. I can't think
Speaker 1: she's done some loosey goosey stuff, and she's done some
Speaker 1: luy where she's called in some favor. She's called, she's
Speaker 1: called the press or whatever, but she's never like lied
Speaker 1: on the stand. She's done some backhanded shit to have
Speaker 1: evidence come out or to whatever, but she hasn't lied
Speaker 1: on the stand, Like she'll never lie about something happening.
Speaker 1: I feel correct us if we're wrong. I feel like
Speaker 1: I want, I want to find something. Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I love her so like I don't know what I'm doing. Like, well,
Speaker 1: there was a time where she did something, remember you,
Speaker 1: and I going, that's so not her. She would never
Speaker 1: do this. But even then, I don't think it was
Speaker 1: like lying on the stand or lying to another cop
Speaker 1: about like an invested like you know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, she obviously like did a little bit of
Speaker 1: fibbing to cover for Rowins when Rollins was like involved
Speaker 1: in all her gambling and shit. Like she does lie,
Speaker 1: I just don't think she lies or like Maria Bello,
Speaker 1: did she lie to help her? Yeah, maybe she lied
Speaker 1: to help get Calvin or something. I don't know. She
Speaker 1: really wants to be a mom at that point. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, so they're just sitting there, they're standing there,
Speaker 1: and then Eyebrows walks in to solemnly inform them that
Speaker 1: a mosque has just been firebombed in East Harlem and
Speaker 1: there are five dead and everyone is stunned, silent, And
Speaker 1: that's Dick wolf Baby the double episode. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know some of their some of
Speaker 1: their like incredulity about this stuff is like I stopped
Speaker 1: living in New York like a year before this episode
Speaker 1: came out, and I knew that this stuff was happening,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just feel like there's
Speaker 1: always been stuff happening. Hate crimes, you know, they seem
Speaker 1: like they're just like, wait, what people hate each other?
Speaker 1: I don't know, But it's not that this episode is
Speaker 1: so still from the ice to the hate crimes, to
Speaker 1: the sentiment about certain groups, this episode is still so relevant.
Speaker 1: But let's get into the real crime. Well, first of
Speaker 1: we'll do.
Speaker 2: A little just Touchstone. That's not even the right word. Listen,
Speaker 2: sanctuary cities. We're going to touch stone sanctuary cities. It's
Speaker 2: actually in the news yesterday. There were articles about it
Speaker 2: because basically, so we're taping on the twenty sixth of May,
Speaker 2: so May twenty fourth and twenty fifth. Basically, Homeland Security
Speaker 2: Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen reiterated his threat to withdraw US
Speaker 2: Customs and Border Protection officers from airports and so called
Speaker 2: sanctuary cities, and that of course jeopardizes you know, flights
Speaker 2: and security and everything. And the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy's like, well,
Speaker 2: that doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 1: But it's like, are you're in this administration? Like what
Speaker 1: does make sense to you? I'm sorry, but even in
Speaker 1: the first four sentences of you reporting this crime, you
Speaker 1: have mentioned a man named Mark Wayne, which I think
Speaker 1: should be illegal. That's his first name, Mark wayn Mark
Speaker 1: Wayne is his first name. He has no qualifications to
Speaker 1: be the Secretary of Homeland Security. And you mentioned Secretary
Speaker 1: of Transportation Sean Duffy, who is from the fucking Real World,
Speaker 1: another reality star. He is from Real World Road Rules.
Speaker 1: He has nine children with Rachel from Real World San Francisco,
Speaker 1: and they have like nine kids together and they're filming
Speaker 1: a reality show. So that's the nightmare that we live in.
Speaker 1: But keep going. I didn't even know any of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sean Duffy says that we should all dress up for
Speaker 1: flights again, that we should all dress up for flights,
Speaker 1: and they want to make airports more family friendly. I'm like,
Speaker 1: how are you talking about making things more family friendly?
Speaker 1: And that we also have to dress up. I got
Speaker 1: to chase after my kids in the airport now in
Speaker 1: a slack or like a dress. What are you talking about, honey?
Speaker 2: If you're not gonna let me smoke in the skies,
Speaker 2: I'm not dressing up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I have to say. You want me
Speaker 1: in a little old dress. I need to be able
Speaker 1: to smoke some weed. That's what I need. Take me back, No,
Speaker 1: this is a nightmare. It obviously would cause a lot
Speaker 1: of disruption, which of course is the point. So what
Speaker 1: are sanctuary city? Is what is going on?
Speaker 2: And there's no strict definition for sanctuary policies or cities,
Speaker 2: but the terms, the terms generally describe limited cooperation with ICE.
Speaker 2: So it's about limiting cooperation with federal immigration scum and
Speaker 2: creating safe and welcoming environments for undocumented immigrants. It's a
Speaker 2: catch all term, not a legal designation, but its places
Speaker 2: adopting these policies that afford some protections to undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they don't have to fuck with federal agents
Speaker 2: that seek to detain and deport these people, but the
Speaker 2: agents can still do whatever they want, just the government
Speaker 2: doesn't have to help, like the local government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically he sucks.
Speaker 2: And so like, yeah, when our president the first time
Speaker 2: he was there, the courts are like, fuck you, We're
Speaker 2: not cutting funding to these cities that are helping immigrants.
Speaker 2: But obviously it's a nightmare now. And then the Center
Speaker 2: for Immigration Studies as a map and as highlighted all
Speaker 2: the sanctuary cities, counties states. It was updated March tenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. By the time I looked at it,
Speaker 2: so pretty up to date. And the places listed have like,
Speaker 2: like I said, like laws, ordinances, regulations, resolutions, policies or
Speaker 2: other practices that obstruct immigration enforcement.
Speaker 1: I already said all this, like you guys get it.
Speaker 2: And then these policies hopefully like block a wall of
Speaker 2: communication between these agents and like all these city workers
Speaker 2: and like I don't know, but I don't trust the
Speaker 2: city workers, like even within these cities, you know. But
Speaker 2: basically the states are California, colorad Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Mexico,
Speaker 2: New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and
Speaker 2: Washington states. There are dozens. No, like states, it's like
Speaker 2: all the states. And then there's dozens of counties in
Speaker 2: cities like dozens. It would be crazy if I listed
Speaker 2: them all, but they're on this immigration site. And then
Speaker 2: there are tons that are also part of regional jail
Speaker 2: and also state facilities, so those are highlighted as well.
Speaker 2: But again not laws that prohibit ICE from arresting and
Speaker 2: deporting people, but they hopefully make it harder.
Speaker 1: But they the federal agents do have brought authority kind
Speaker 1: of how they let Benson know. Now to the horrific
Speaker 1: hate crime.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the case of Adam Purrenton, who's
Speaker 2: a white man who committed a hate crime and he
Speaker 2: shot an Indian man, Srinivas Kuchibolta, who is thirty two
Speaker 2: at the time of his death. And this guy, Adam,
Speaker 2: wounded two other men at this restaurant in Northwest Stern,
Speaker 2: Kansas on February twenty second, twenty seventeen. So it all
Speaker 2: started when this dude approached these men who he thought
Speaker 2: were Middle Eastern and from Iran and asked started asking
Speaker 2: about their immigration status. And Kuchabolta worked as a senior
Speaker 2: aviation systems engineer okay, super talented engineer, helped companies build
Speaker 2: airplanes and helicopters like that, integrated within this technology company
Speaker 2: he worked with and software smart guy well regarded very
Speaker 2: good technically his coworkers and bosses say, but like super
Speaker 2: quiet and very friendly.
Speaker 1: Witnesses said.
Speaker 2: The gunman confronted Kuchibolta angrily and his friend Aloke Madasani
Speaker 2: at Austin's Bar. And this is in a Leith, Kansas
Speaker 2: or Oleaitha, Kansas. But this is where I stay when
Speaker 2: I do it. It's twenty minutes outside of Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Oh really, but this is like where the club I
Speaker 2: do and where I stay. So this bar is called Austin's.
Speaker 2: It's like two guys after work having some beers, and
Speaker 2: he started screaming at them to get out of his country.
Speaker 2: So he shot eight rounds inside this restaurant. He killed
Speaker 2: Kuchibolta and then wounded his friend Madissani. And then the
Speaker 2: third man was Ian Grillo, and he was in his
Speaker 2: early twenties and he was shot when he tried to
Speaker 2: help stop this guy outside the bar and like try
Speaker 2: to apprehend him. But Matsani said that Adam was sitting
Speaker 2: alone and that him and his friend were together, and
Speaker 2: he saw anger in his face when he approached, like
Speaker 2: these guys like immediately and you know, was like, are
Speaker 2: you here legally? And according to the DOJ reported by
Speaker 2: PBS that Adam then poked Kuchibolta in the chest, calling
Speaker 2: him a terrorist and other racist epithets and said get
Speaker 2: out of my country. And then Ian, another bar patron,
Speaker 2: took Adam out of the bar okay and then Madissani said,
Speaker 2: other people kept coming up to them being like you
Speaker 2: belong here. These people don't represent us, like like they
Speaker 2: were very supportive of.
Speaker 1: These two guys, these y because this man is absolutely
Speaker 1: doing more for our country than this fucking guy. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Always and then you see this guy's photo and you
Speaker 2: guys should go to our instagram if you want to
Speaker 2: see it. But it's like exactly this guy would do this,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like a fucking just
Speaker 2: disgusting loser. But this is what's wild. So he drove home,
Speaker 2: retrieved the semi automatic pistol, put on different clothes to
Speaker 2: disguise his identity, according to the Dua DJ, and then
Speaker 2: thirty minutes later he returned and that's when he shot
Speaker 2: the eight rounds at these two men. So it's like
Speaker 2: Ian did get him out of the bar and like
Speaker 2: got him home. But then this motherfucker came back and not.
Speaker 1: A fucking weasel. I mean, h this man looks like
Speaker 1: he could be like forty, but has done enough drugs
Speaker 1: to make himself look like older. Like he just looks
Speaker 1: like athead. I think disgusting, No, disgusting.
Speaker 2: And then four of the bullets struck Kunchabolta and then
Speaker 2: he died later from his injuries. Matissani was shot once,
Speaker 2: thankfully lived and he told the New York Times he
Speaker 2: kept thinking about his pregnant wife and he really, you know,
Speaker 2: held on. But as he fled at you know, this guy,
Speaker 2: Ian tried to catch him, and that's when Adam shot
Speaker 2: him as well.
Speaker 1: Who did survive.
Speaker 2: Kuchibolta left behind his loving wife, who is now you know,
Speaker 2: a widow. Sunayana Dumala and classic story, young couple in
Speaker 2: love coming to the States for postgraduate degrees and jobs.
Speaker 2: They were planning to have a family and make Kansas home.
Speaker 2: They had a great group of Indian friends. He liked
Speaker 2: playing cricket, loved dinner parties. She said, you know, she
Speaker 2: was home and she could not get a hold of
Speaker 2: her husband or his friend, and she assumed, oh, they
Speaker 2: probably grabbed a drink.
Speaker 1: It was like super wildly warm.
Speaker 2: It was winter, but it was in the seventies, so
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm sure he's just getting a beer, but like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? And then she started just scrolling Facebook
Speaker 2: and her kind of fears of like, why isn't he
Speaker 2: hitting me back? It all kind of hit her. So
Speaker 2: a news story pops up. Three shot at this bar, Austin's.
Speaker 2: She got scared.
Speaker 1: She was all alone. She began to cry and like he.
Speaker 2: Would have let her know if he was safe, like
Speaker 2: she knows her husband, and yeah, people scattered. Vincent Baird,
Speaker 2: who he was headed, This is strange. So he was
Speaker 2: headed to the gas station across the street, then ran
Speaker 2: towards the chaos to help.
Speaker 1: And he was an army medic. He went straight to
Speaker 1: the victim. But this is where I have an issue.
Speaker 2: So he saw the gunshot wounded in the chest and
Speaker 2: I'm not an army medic, but like, with the help
Speaker 2: of two others, he cut a four inch square from
Speaker 2: an unused garbage bag and then taped it over Oh,
Speaker 2: never mind.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with all this.
Speaker 2: I thought he like cut into the skin like in
Speaker 2: the movie Heat, And that's why I was just like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck, Like you couldn't.
Speaker 1: Wait a little bit for the EMTs. You're cutting into
Speaker 1: his chest, but I was just probably working on it.
Speaker 1: It's too late, okay. So he just like cut a
Speaker 1: piece from an unused garbage bag, taped it over the wound.
Speaker 2: He checked for other wounds. There weren't any. He turned
Speaker 2: him on his side, and then he's like he stopped breathing,
Speaker 2: and then with chest compressions, he would breathe, but then
Speaker 2: he would stop breathing, and the ambulance came. He was
Speaker 2: pronounced dead at the University of Kansas Hospital. H SO
Speaker 2: police found Adam more than eighty miles away from the
Speaker 2: crime scene and told officers that he had killed two
Speaker 2: Middle Eastern men, like he didn't even know where care,
Speaker 2: Like these people are so fucking stupid, like stupid. Not
Speaker 2: that it yeah, not that you should hate a Muslim
Speaker 2: person or a Middle Eastern person or Indian, like none
Speaker 2: of that matters, but it's like you don't even know who, why,
Speaker 2: what where?
Speaker 1: You fucking probably couldn't shit put any of these places
Speaker 1: on a map, like does not know where anything is
Speaker 1: or what I don't know.
Speaker 2: If I could either, I'll be honest, I still would
Speaker 2: not commit a crime. They were both after work regulars
Speaker 2: like everyone. And then a few weeks prior to this incident,
Speaker 2: actually another regular said that he like came out to
Speaker 2: the path, he came in from the patio to the
Speaker 2: bar and goes, did you see the terrorists on the patio?
Speaker 2: So he's had an issue with these guys for a while.
Speaker 2: He was formally charged with pre meditated first degree murder
Speaker 2: since he did go get the gun and come back,
Speaker 2: two counts premeditated attempted murder charge and then federal hate
Speaker 2: crime charges, and he did admit in open court that
Speaker 2: he targeted the victims because of their race, color, and
Speaker 2: national origin. And that's from the Justice Department via PBS.
Speaker 2: May twenty eighteen, he agreed to a plea deal that
Speaker 2: recommended the max sentence of life in prison without the
Speaker 2: possibility of parole for the hate crime and firearm offenses
Speaker 2: against him. In turn, prosecutors agreed to not pursue the
Speaker 2: death sentence. He then also got sentenced to another sentence
Speaker 2: of life in prison in August twenty eighteen for the
Speaker 2: state charges of murder and attempted murder, and those are
Speaker 2: served consecutively. He's not getting out and go fuck you
Speaker 2: and you know, sorry, it's just like.
Speaker 1: What tells these guys, like the dog whistles obviously, like
Speaker 1: something tells these guys like you're so important, You're so
Speaker 1: brave and important, you need to go get rid of
Speaker 1: these people that are ruining the country, Like it's gotta
Speaker 1: be you go home, go home, change your clothes, get
Speaker 1: your gun, and come back and just get rid of
Speaker 1: Like it's so out of I would normally say only
Speaker 1: insane people would think like that, but then it's like,
Speaker 1: I do think that a lot of the rhetoric from
Speaker 1: politicians on that side have told these men that that's
Speaker 1: the truth. And then you see people like Kyle Rittenhouse
Speaker 1: get out of jail or avoid jail time for it.
Speaker 1: You know, I do know. It's like, really, it's really upsetting.
Speaker 1: So anyway, what's not upsetting is the amazing guests that
Speaker 1: we have coming up, So do not move a muscle.
Speaker 1: Our guest today has starred on such shows as Never
Speaker 1: Have I Ever and The Night Of and is currently
Speaker 1: starring in Deli Boys, But you know her best as
Speaker 1: today a woman who's going through a lot of hard times.
Speaker 1: Maya Samra please enjoy our chat with the fashionable and
Speaker 1: fun Porna Jaggonathan. I don't know if we should just
Speaker 1: start out with all of the mutual friends that we
Speaker 1: have with you. Like I was just talking to my
Speaker 1: friend Emily Gordon. Oh my god, hie on On Jianny's
Speaker 1: wife and my dear friend. Both of them are my
Speaker 1: good friends, and she was like, she's so great. She
Speaker 1: was like, she's into fashion. I go, well, I've googled her,
Speaker 1: so obviously I can tell that, Like, you know, you're.
Speaker 5: Really a fan of hers.
Speaker 4: And you know who's the biggest fan of hers and
Speaker 4: starts crying when he talks about her is her husband.
Speaker 6: Oh I know, they're like the most in love people.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, they're in love. They're so sweet about each other.
Speaker 6: And you know he's just gooley eyed around her. It's
Speaker 6: the sweetest thing to see.
Speaker 2: And then I really love Asafa and we yes, I
Speaker 2: love Austin from stand up and I asked him to
Speaker 2: send in a question give it to me, so he
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: On two percent and then this will be perfect. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's get this question before Liza's full time.
Speaker 2: He says that you have an amazed she she does
Speaker 2: have an amazing story of being a guest star on
Speaker 2: a show and the experience was so wild that you
Speaker 2: took time off of acting. Whoa, Oh my, it kind
Speaker 2: of froze. So I thought maybe it was like a
Speaker 2: terrrible thing. And I was like, oh, should we have
Speaker 2: not brought it up? So I was like to take
Speaker 2: time off for that long?
Speaker 5: You know, but oh my god, I blame Hugh Grant.
Speaker 5: Did you know the story?
Speaker 1: No, I can't wait to know it. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So my story is that I didn't become an actor
Speaker 4: till my thirties. Like I quit advertised at thirty, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I really want to try this acting thing.
Speaker 5: But I'd never acted before, I'd never trained before.
Speaker 4: I'd taken some like classes in college, and you know,
Speaker 4: it was awful, but I was I was just like,
Speaker 4: how can I figure out if I am good or not? Right?
Speaker 4: So I went in for my graduate Like I started
Speaker 4: doing a graduate degree from a place called the Actors Studio,
Speaker 4: And they have guests every week, right, And one of
Speaker 4: the guests was Hugh Grant and one you know, after
Speaker 4: he talks, the students get to ask questions.
Speaker 5: This is year one, I know, not think about acting.
Speaker 4: And someone asking about his rehearsal process on Nodding Hill
Speaker 4: with Juliet Roberts, and.
Speaker 5: He said, what I love about Julia is she's.
Speaker 1: A lot like me.
Speaker 5: We don't really like we mumble for our auditions.
Speaker 4: And you know, as an acting student, you're like, what
Speaker 4: do you mean you mumble like we sat and he said,
Speaker 4: we mumbled through our rehearsal, like we mumbled through our rehearsals,
Speaker 4: like you'd.
Speaker 5: Get kicked out of your certain production, Like that's not
Speaker 5: an option, and he said these words.
Speaker 4: He said, Well, we just like to not really know
Speaker 4: our lines that much because I like to keep it
Speaker 4: fresh as a daisy.
Speaker 5: Those are the words he used.
Speaker 4: Okay, I get cast in one of the biggest parts ever,
Speaker 4: my first of my probably my career in Law and Order,
Speaker 4: the original, and I show up without knowing my lines.
Speaker 5: Oh no, because I want to keep it fresh as
Speaker 5: a daizy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And and Law and orderly Yeah.
Speaker 4: And for whatever reason, I had page after page after
Speaker 4: page of dialogue.
Speaker 5: It's a huge ass part.
Speaker 4: And I kind of knew it because I did it
Speaker 4: for the audition, but the writer also one of his
Speaker 4: first things, so he changed it a lot. And I
Speaker 4: was balancing my advertising career also had a huge project you,
Speaker 4: so I was just like, I'll just you know, fresh
Speaker 4: as a daisy it. I show up with that nomal
Speaker 4: lines and the guy, why am I forgetting his name?
Speaker 4: The older guy who died recently, not recently, like ten years,
Speaker 4: eight years ago, Jerry. He screamed at me, Oh no,
Speaker 4: apparently he's the nicest guy in the world. And he's like,
Speaker 4: now then you show up to said, we are not
Speaker 4: in your line.
Speaker 5: This is crazy to me. And it's the coldest day
Speaker 5: in New York. We're doing an outdoor scene.
Speaker 1: It's oh my god. I like, that's like, so what happened.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I got through it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I numbed out that. You know,
Speaker 4: my my biggest gift is the gift of complete association.
Speaker 4: So I come leave numb doubt and I don't know
Speaker 4: how I got through it. And it was a scene
Speaker 4: where they come and tell me my boyfriend is killed.
Speaker 4: Completely numb emotionally, I was like, Okay, like no emotion
Speaker 4: at all, the worst performance.
Speaker 5: Of my life.
Speaker 4: Couldn't couldn't really, I just couldn't act. And you know,
Speaker 4: it was my first gig after being in school for
Speaker 4: a couple of months, and it was awful, and I
Speaker 4: just stopped acting. I was like, this is not obviously,
Speaker 4: this is not for me. And it took me so
Speaker 4: much a long time to get myself back in there,
Speaker 4: maybe a year or so. And so when I got
Speaker 4: on Law and Order SVU and there were so many
Speaker 4: lines I could have done them backwards and forwards and
Speaker 4: in any language.
Speaker 5: I knew them so well.
Speaker 1: Never gonna happen again, not on your own, it's universe.
Speaker 1: But what was the thing that got you back in
Speaker 1: after that year?
Speaker 4: You know I was.
Speaker 5: I was terrified.
Speaker 4: I mean what the other story that they didn't tell
Speaker 4: you is that I'd never been on a set like
Speaker 4: you guys don't understand what that means, Like I don't.
Speaker 5: I haven't. I hadn't been around an act like Bradley
Speaker 5: Cooper went to school at the Actors Studio.
Speaker 4: So he came and spoke to us, and that's like
Speaker 4: the second time my life I've ever seen an actor.
Speaker 4: You know what, I mean the first one when I
Speaker 4: was like seven years old. I went to set and
Speaker 4: then you know, I did a costume fitting and weak.
Speaker 4: It was kind of my style, used to wear a
Speaker 4: skirt over pants, but I'd also bought a really cute
Speaker 4: skirt the other day. So I come out of the
Speaker 4: trail and go to set in my own clothes.
Speaker 1: This is not the law in order that you did.
Speaker 1: Did they say something?
Speaker 4: She didn't say anything because she had never seen anything
Speaker 4: like that, and she was dumb struck, so she didn't
Speaker 4: raise her voice anything. She just said, you need to
Speaker 4: go back and change. This has never happened in my career.
Speaker 4: She was just very calm, and I was.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, oh I had. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 5: know what a mark was.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the actors studio didn't really teach you
Speaker 1: the right stuff.
Speaker 5: They were just you know, it was theater. It was
Speaker 5: theater training. I did you know, you don't train for film.
Speaker 4: You don't know you're not getting film and TV training.
Speaker 5: You have no idea what's going on. I didn't.
Speaker 4: When they called action, I basically I blew my wad
Speaker 4: during rehearsal, like the emotional wand and I had enough
Speaker 4: it was a comp Everything that can go wrong went
Speaker 4: wrong with my first gig, and it took me a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of time and a lot of
Speaker 4: healing and a lot of like courage.
Speaker 1: To get back. But and yet they had you on
Speaker 1: criminal intent like a couple of years later. So obviously
Speaker 1: you didn't make too bad of an impression. I must have.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they just all they see so
Speaker 4: many actors, they just got all confused.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they were like, what it was a small
Speaker 5: doctor role.
Speaker 4: And that was funny because it was a doctor role
Speaker 4: and they called it doctor Sikh, and you know, seek
Speaker 4: is a religion.
Speaker 5: It's like being called doctor Muslim or doctor Jew or
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 4: So it was like it was a small role, small
Speaker 4: doctor role, which by then I had, you know, done
Speaker 4: a couple and they were under my belt. But that
Speaker 4: I know, and re entering the universe with SVU was
Speaker 4: the scary for me.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm scary though. It's like a very intense.
Speaker 1: But before we move on to your sv episode, I
Speaker 1: was just going to tell you that you're not alone
Speaker 1: in this bad advice or tell me because we had
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin on our podcast and she was, you know,
Speaker 1: friends with the late great Robin Williams, who basically pranked
Speaker 1: her and told her, oh, they love to play around
Speaker 1: on on Law and Order. Just don't even just improvise,
Speaker 1: say what you want. They love that. And Christopher Maloney
Speaker 1: got like furious, like you're your situation with Orbach Like
Speaker 1: he was like, why aren't you saying the lines that
Speaker 1: are written? Like I guess he went, we don't do
Speaker 1: that here. Yes, I think of all shows, that show
Speaker 1: is really stick to what's on the page, like.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, the strip supervisor was right here the
Speaker 5: entire time.
Speaker 1: She was right here.
Speaker 4: She she just couldn't believe, but no one could believe
Speaker 4: what was happening in front of them was awful. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, I've never been on a stricter set than
Speaker 4: Law and Order in terms of lines.
Speaker 5: That's the crazy part.
Speaker 2: That's good to have such a strict the first time,
Speaker 2: and this kind of happened because I'm sure you're so
Speaker 2: prepared for every like sure that changed everything, they changed
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Hugh Grant since you could tell
Speaker 1: him I.
Speaker 5: Didn't dying, just tell us you good, I am dying.
Speaker 1: I think he's an evil little man like I think
Speaker 1: he would really laugh. I mean, I'm a fan, but yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think like years on I kind of realized what he
Speaker 4: was saying, which is, you know, keep it, don't like
Speaker 4: edge with the lines.
Speaker 5: I kind of know it, but don't really know it
Speaker 5: until like the correct moments here.
Speaker 4: So even now when I rehearsed, when I've learned my lines,
Speaker 4: I am literally truly completely off book the night before,
Speaker 4: although I've been rehearsing for a month. Right, It's like
Speaker 4: that thing of you know, trying to not know it
Speaker 4: perfectly until the last minute so you can.
Speaker 5: So it feels very natural. I think that's what he meant.
Speaker 4: But it took me like twenty years of training to
Speaker 4: understand that. So as a as a young woman in
Speaker 4: her you know, I was like thirty maybe one when
Speaker 4: I got that advice.
Speaker 1: It just killed me. Wait and I'm sorry, do you
Speaker 1: guys know that you have started a movie together? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in good Rich.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they cut all my fun but I have like
Speaker 2: one little line of a stand up in it, and
Speaker 2: it is with Michael Keaton.
Speaker 1: And so I got to have a day with Michael.
Speaker 5: Keaton, I know, So did I I took the project
Speaker 5: because of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really exciting, and the fucking DP was
Speaker 1: so hot, Like do you remember everyone I do?
Speaker 5: And the director was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kitty. Do you look back on advertising in any
Speaker 1: fond way or no?
Speaker 4: Do you know? I all always will say it was
Speaker 4: an amazing experience because I had the best of everything.
Speaker 4: I had the best clients, best bosses, best views, best offices,
Speaker 4: best expense account was in the time where they didn't
Speaker 4: check your expense account at all.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a lot of.
Speaker 2: Time those because it is a rom com job, you know,
Speaker 2: like advertising like it is. I did it to be
Speaker 2: at the height of expense accounts. That's pretty fun.
Speaker 4: I mean when I met my husband, he was like,
Speaker 4: this is though, I'm going to marry this woman, like
Speaker 4: just any anything with an expense account.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 4: I you know, I always say I had the best
Speaker 4: of everything, and I feel like the universe gave me
Speaker 4: the best of everything just to show me that it
Speaker 4: wasn't enough, you know. I never I had that weird
Speaker 4: feeling on Friday, that relief and that sense of dread
Speaker 4: on Sunday, and I never got rid of it. I
Speaker 4: never I never got rid of it, and then you know,
Speaker 4: just to getting you know, I would do this trick
Speaker 4: and advertise, which is like it was getting harder and
Speaker 4: harder and harder for me to wake up to go
Speaker 4: to work like I was, you know, started getting really disconnected.
Speaker 4: And I had this trick where someone would call me saying, hey,
Speaker 4: can I do a meeting at nine thirty with you?
Speaker 4: And I'd be like, I only have two openings, ones
Speaker 4: at seven thirty am and ones at eleven thirty, so
Speaker 4: you know which one, and no one is going to
Speaker 4: come in at seven thirty to take a meeting, so
Speaker 4: they take the eleven thirty meetings, So my day only
Speaker 4: started eleven thirty. I always gave the perception to people
Speaker 4: that my day actually started seven thirty. And I can
Speaker 4: continue doing the least amount of work in advertising in
Speaker 4: my till today. My friends, you know, when I became
Speaker 4: an actor, I start my own brand consulting just to
Speaker 4: make ends meet and my friends from advertising with the
Speaker 4: people who always sustained me and always threw me freelance
Speaker 4: work and always kept me afloat until ten years ago
Speaker 4: when I quit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, and then how were well, how did the
Speaker 2: people in your life react to the career change.
Speaker 4: I mean it was so slow, Like I don't think
Speaker 4: book initially, when I first started, like you know, fifteen
Speaker 4: eighteen years ago, it'd be like two gigs, you know,
Speaker 4: two lines per year.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 1: It was so slow.
Speaker 4: And then I actually got a bit of a break
Speaker 4: doing a Bollywood movie. It was an independent Bollywood movie
Speaker 4: called Deli Belly and that just that was crazy. That
Speaker 4: was one of the most popular movies ever and so
Speaker 4: that and you know, that was a really huge role
Speaker 4: and it was outside of what I was playing. It
Speaker 4: was not a doctor, wasn't a warwyor it wasn't a nurse.
Speaker 4: The stuff that I was getting cast in, you know,
Speaker 4: in the States for it was like a very very funny,
Speaker 4: dark comedy, progressive movie. And a lot of my offers
Speaker 4: started coming out from India after that. So we all
Speaker 4: moved India for four years and I did Bollywood for
Speaker 4: four years. But while I wasn't India, I booked The
Speaker 4: Native and I think that really, which like was a
Speaker 4: pivotal change for me.
Speaker 1: Was such an amazing show, Like I was so so
Speaker 1: amazing right wait by that show, and I was like
Speaker 1: Rizaman is a star. I mean you were fantastic in it.
Speaker 1: You were amazing in it. But like he was, I
Speaker 1: was like, this guy is so good. That show was
Speaker 1: had me in a choke hold. I was wait, I
Speaker 1: haven't watched it. Maybe that's what that's gonna get me. Lisa.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, well, and I see John Chico
Speaker 1: is one of my face.
Speaker 5: I don't see you.
Speaker 4: I think the pilot of that show is one of
Speaker 4: the best pilots of TV.
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna love it. I I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I was probably being annoying, like everyone loved it. So
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll watch it later.
Speaker 1: But uh, you just don't know what's gonna happen, Like
Speaker 1: you're really like, how is this going to end up?
Speaker 1: I'm excited, really good? So what did Marishka? So Marishka
Speaker 1: saw that and how did she?
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was I think she saw a genre that
Speaker 5: was very close to hers and she was just very
Speaker 5: inspired by it.
Speaker 4: She was very very inspired by this thing that was
Speaker 4: adjacent and felt like a world and she was she
Speaker 4: was he was captivated by it. And and so when
Speaker 4: this opportunity she you know, came up in the script,
Speaker 4: she told them to reach out to me, and that's.
Speaker 5: How I got the part.
Speaker 4: And you know, when I met her on set, we
Speaker 4: we every every moment on set where we had a
Speaker 4: bit of downtime, we were just talking about the Night Of,
Speaker 4: but you know, the the you know, the similarities and
Speaker 4: Night Off is a very kind of artistic take on
Speaker 4: SU almost it's a very kind.
Speaker 1: Of like it's not you know, HBO can do what
Speaker 1: what NBC really kind of can't in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Now when you get the scripts, Like, you know, SVU
Speaker 2: is an intense show. There's a lot of crimes all
Speaker 2: these years, but this is a really difficult watch. It's
Speaker 2: like an intense and it starts intense and in a
Speaker 2: few episodes it's.
Speaker 1: Like double the trauma, double the like crime, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think to sustain the story over two episodes,
Speaker 1: they had so many twists and this poor family more
Speaker 1: awful things keep happening to them, like every ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and it's twenty seventeen and it's like could be made today,
Speaker 1: which is off full. It's always with SVU, we say,
Speaker 1: it's like always ahead of its time, but then yeah,
Speaker 1: always relevant for some reason. Yeah, but like what were
Speaker 1: your initial thoughts when you read the script.
Speaker 5: Well, I always want to be on SVU.
Speaker 4: I'm a survivor of sexual assault, and for me, Murushka
Speaker 4: has always been like such a guiding light, you know,
Speaker 4: in our lives. Just as someone who you know as
Speaker 4: as Avie, you just you look at justice as very
Speaker 4: you don't feel it exists, you know, and even if
Speaker 4: you go through a system or whatever, there's there's such
Speaker 4: there's such a lack of feeling like what you know,
Speaker 4: you don't know what justice looks like anymore when you're
Speaker 4: a survivor. And yet there's this figure on TV who
Speaker 4: knows exactly what it looks like and exactly when it's
Speaker 4: delivered and exactly when it's not delivered. There's like a
Speaker 4: black and whiteness to her. Uh, She's able to hold
Speaker 4: what's right always, you know. And so I've always always
Speaker 4: always wanted to be like on that show. It's like
Speaker 4: it was a career highlight. And just to meet this
Speaker 4: woman and person who not only comes across as empathetic
Speaker 4: on screen, but who is truly truly an angel in
Speaker 4: real life. You know, we're good friends. I'm on the
Speaker 4: board of the Joyful Heart Foundation now and and I
Speaker 4: cannot speak higher of anyone in the business than her.
Speaker 5: She is, She is that person. She knows, she's the
Speaker 5: adult who will always know what is right and wrong.
Speaker 5: She she knows that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The quote is our children are allowed to push boundaries,
Speaker 4: and it's the adult who knows not to trespass them,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: She she really understands that. So it was a very
Speaker 5: kind of it was we when I got on.
Speaker 4: Set, it was like we had known each other for
Speaker 4: years and we really remained friends for we have remained
Speaker 4: friends since since being on that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, Because I was reading about the play
Speaker 1: that you were in the near back Nearbaia.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you pronounced it perfectly and.
Speaker 1: Just sounded like it was a really impactful play for Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it did it tour in the US or
Speaker 1: in India or both?
Speaker 5: It toured around the world?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, I toured around the world.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It just feels like another thing that's kind of joining
Speaker 1: SVU and Night of or any of these like kind
Speaker 1: of things that explore violence against women and how these
Speaker 1: things and the justice system in some ways.
Speaker 5: Right in the play, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, I have to say that I
Speaker 1: love the name of your Instagram is pornography, which is
Speaker 1: very clever, and I love that. And I did scroll
Speaker 1: all the way back to many minutes because I was
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people when we interview actors, they've posted
Speaker 1: when their episode aired or like bts and so you
Speaker 1: had a picture of like you and Marishka and maybe
Speaker 1: Peter Herman. Yes, oh my god, it was and I
Speaker 1: was like, there it is. It's way back at the
Speaker 1: it's way back in the twenty sixteen archives of the
Speaker 1: pornography page. But love Fest, Yeah, seems like it was,
Speaker 1: which is nice to hear because when you're watching your
Speaker 1: character just literally have her life kind of destroyed every
Speaker 1: other moment, it's like nice that when the cameras were off,
Speaker 1: you guys were like buddies and having fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean when I say in you my lines,
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, Like I could have been having a
Speaker 4: heart attack and I still know all my lines, Like
Speaker 4: I could have enough epileptic fit and I know my lines.
Speaker 5: I was dreaming them, eating them, drinking them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were great, because I really, like I wanted
Speaker 1: them to just let it go with the perjury. At
Speaker 1: the end, I was like, to let it go. They
Speaker 1: did it like we let it go. But we have
Speaker 1: to keep the integrity of these at least in this
Speaker 1: justice system, which we know is a fantasy. They have
Speaker 1: to sit corners.
Speaker 4: But it's important to have that fantasy, you know, it's
Speaker 4: important to have something even if it's fictional that looks
Speaker 4: like just this, we don't we actually don't get anywhere near.
Speaker 5: It in real life, but it's important to hold the fantasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any other things you remember from sets, stories, part
Speaker 2: of the work.
Speaker 4: I just think, oh yeah, the way I think. I mean,
Speaker 4: I remember Rowlas Baranza.
Speaker 5: I just really love him.
Speaker 4: And he had I had my scene and he had
Speaker 4: a play to go to and we were running a
Speaker 4: little over and they had done his coverage and it
Speaker 4: was my coverage, and.
Speaker 5: He just was like, no, I'm going to miss the play.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be there for your coverage.
Speaker 4: So it was it was an extraordinary They're all extraordinary,
Speaker 4: extraordinary actors and extra Kelly Giddish just just everyone. We
Speaker 4: spend so much loving time together and you know, I
Speaker 4: will go back to the SVU said and see them
Speaker 4: pretty often and it's oh yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't tell you how how very very special
Speaker 5: it is. I can't. I don't have enough words.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's not one person who will tell
Speaker 4: you otherwise I wonder if there is actually but it's
Speaker 4: a very well.
Speaker 1: We've interviewed a lot of people and not really nobody's
Speaker 1: really say anything bad, and people about Marishka unprompted, you know.
Speaker 4: So unprompted. And it's also like, for me, it's what
Speaker 4: female leadership actually looks like. You know, you don't see
Speaker 4: great examples of it anywhere. It's a it's a set
Speaker 4: that is led with empathy and kindness and compassion.
Speaker 1: And rigor and.
Speaker 4: And just a sort of fierce, loving leadership that doesn't
Speaker 4: exist on many sets and doesn't exist in many.
Speaker 5: Places in the world.
Speaker 1: And I think it has to be the explanation of
Speaker 1: the longevity of the show. I mean, there's kind of
Speaker 1: no way that it would be heading into season twenty
Speaker 1: eight soon if it wasn't for that like it was,
Speaker 1: and that her being like the guiding like the steward
Speaker 1: of that ship. Because we I mean, there's a million
Speaker 1: shows that are classics. Everyone loves them and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the main. Sorry, but usually man on the
Speaker 1: show was a nightmare. And that's why, like you know,
Speaker 1: at season nine, everyone was over it, you know, like
Speaker 1: it'll think things good to go. Yeah, you just cannot
Speaker 1: last that long with like a toxic lead or whatever.
Speaker 5: I agree now, no one wants to come to work
Speaker 5: with a toxic lead. No one wants it.
Speaker 1: This episode actually does a good job of Usually Benson
Speaker 1: gets through places and she gets stopped so much. You know,
Speaker 1: the fact that the sun does get deported is like.
Speaker 5: That was really heartbreak, and I was, yeah, it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: Or even the sea, Oh yeah, I remember a really
Speaker 4: interesting thing, which is a costume.
Speaker 5: This time I didn't come with my own costume.
Speaker 1: It's just just so.
Speaker 4: But the costume designer and I were talking. She did
Speaker 4: two really cool things. She did one where we were
Speaker 4: just I was going to be in the hospital and
Speaker 4: my hit job was ripped off, and so we were
Speaker 4: talking about how do you get like what is the
Speaker 4: state of the hit job when you're being questioned the hospital?
Speaker 4: And then she said, maybe we use the hospital cloth
Speaker 4: and put it on it as a hit job, right,
Speaker 4: just to give you that. And I thought it was
Speaker 4: such a beautiful touch. Right, just to use a thing
Speaker 4: that someone hands me, something I can recover my my
Speaker 4: head with it. It was really beautiful. And then for
Speaker 4: the courtroom scene, she wanted something really really special for
Speaker 4: me to feel really kind of like a big big deal.
Speaker 4: And one of my favorite New York brands is Nearly
Speaker 4: low Tan. So she went and got me this really
Speaker 4: expensive shirt from Nellie low Tan and she just you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't go home with it, but I I had
Speaker 4: it for the scene. It was just like these massive
Speaker 4: acts of care that that went into every aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting I mean details. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about accents. Like, first of yes, you looking up
Speaker 1: your background. You grew up in India but also Pakistan, Ireland, Brazil, Argentina.
Speaker 1: You speak like five language, six languages. I don't know
Speaker 1: when how did you like Your accent sounds very kind
Speaker 1: of like neutral to me, So I'm wondering, like how
Speaker 1: your accent like evolved. And then separately, what is your
Speaker 1: feeling of like when you have a part that requires
Speaker 1: an accent, like you know, like deciding how you're like
Speaker 1: you want to you know, like you're not from Damas,
Speaker 1: Like did you learn a Syrian accent for this and
Speaker 1: then you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, I sat with I want a Middle East
Speaker 4: stern accent, so I said, you know the comedian ramy
Speaker 4: mm hmm. Yeah yeah, So him and I just spent
Speaker 4: hours just really for this particular episode.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Really yeah, just.
Speaker 4: Kind of going through the lines and nailing the accent.
Speaker 4: A lot of listening to tape, a lot of listening
Speaker 4: to news and getting it. But you know, my accent
Speaker 4: is very contextual. So when I'm seeking to my husband,
Speaker 4: who is like has a pretty strong Indian accent, my
Speaker 4: accent will be much more Indian. When I'm speaking to
Speaker 4: someone from South America, It'll it'll become a lot more
Speaker 4: like little Tea and sing song Gie. The second I
Speaker 4: meete a British person, I have to really hold on
Speaker 4: to myself otherwise my whole like weird Irish. I just
Speaker 4: went to Ireland for a visit, and you know, I
Speaker 4: just my, my, my, I just start doing weird things
Speaker 4: because you know, I was living in Ireland until I
Speaker 4: was nine, like five to nine, and I spoke with
Speaker 4: such an incomprehensibly heavy Irish accent. Yeah, so it's definitely
Speaker 4: somewhere always in my body and like or in Brazil,
Speaker 4: like I was speaking flint Portuguese, but it's been you know,
Speaker 4: thirty years since I lived there, so I can understand it,
Speaker 4: and it takes me a long time to start speaking
Speaker 4: it again.
Speaker 5: You know, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So I would say, in my thirties, I fluently spoke
Speaker 4: many many languages, but now in my.
Speaker 5: Fifties, I'm fluent.
Speaker 4: I can understand a lot fluently, but speaking I take,
Speaker 4: I take a lot more time to get back into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we spoke to like aust If Monvee about
Speaker 1: accent stuff and like some of what did he say?
Speaker 1: He well, he was saying like there was He's like
Speaker 1: because he was on his view early early, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think season three or something, and in the city.
Speaker 2: Or really early too, not early, it's actually later sex
Speaker 2: in the city, but it's important to me.
Speaker 1: But he does an Indian accent and then he I think,
Speaker 1: like he was saying, like later in life he stopped
Speaker 1: wanting to just take roles that had Indian accents for
Speaker 1: like the sake of it or something like or I
Speaker 1: think I have to refresh my memory on that interview.
Speaker 1: It was a couple of years ago. But he just
Speaker 1: had I thought he had an interesting perspective on the
Speaker 1: roles he was taking and the accent work and everything.
Speaker 4: I agree, and I'm I also do the opposite man,
Speaker 4: which is when a role doesn't require an Indian accent,
Speaker 4: I'll do it with an Indian accent.
Speaker 1: Does your character in Deli Boys have an Indian accent? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Very much so.
Speaker 4: She is.
Speaker 5: She is an immigrant.
Speaker 4: So I never have I ever in Deli Boys and
Speaker 4: I'm playing, you know, okay, like a woman from like
Speaker 4: an if you know, immigrant. But there will be roles
Speaker 4: that I'll do, and you know, I just want to
Speaker 4: make sure that because our accent is it's it has
Speaker 4: been made fun of for like decades, So how do
Speaker 4: you reclaim it and do roles which are not comedy
Speaker 4: and which are like serious and which are you know,
Speaker 4: have deaths and and it's a three dimensional character but
Speaker 4: with an Indian accent, and how do you kind of
Speaker 4: dignify it. So a lot of times I will now
Speaker 4: go back in and if the character has just a
Speaker 4: generic American name, I'll make it Indian. I'll try and
Speaker 4: do it with an Indian accent, just to try and
Speaker 4: reintegrate and reshift the narrative around it.
Speaker 1: Cool, that's interesting. What are you Deli Boys? Is there
Speaker 1: a season two date yet?
Speaker 5: It's May twenty Oh no way.
Speaker 1: So it's about to come out. Oh it's about Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think as of this episode it will have dropped. Oh,
Speaker 1: well it have Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 5: It's a great season. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 5: know about Deli Boys, but it's about. It's about.
Speaker 4: It's action packed and we run like a cocaine empire.
Speaker 1: Anything else pop coming on that you would like our
Speaker 1: people to know about.
Speaker 4: Uh, Green Lanterns, I mean Green Lanterns that comes out
Speaker 4: August sixth.
Speaker 1: Is that's the DC thing.
Speaker 5: That is a DC thing.
Speaker 1: I'm married to a nerd, so sometimes he quizzes me
Speaker 1: on what's DC and what's Marvel? And I have to
Speaker 1: I have to know it.
Speaker 5: I'm just am entering that conversation.
Speaker 4: I I I when I got the audition, I was like,
Speaker 4: they don't want me. I know nothing about this world.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not a good fit.
Speaker 4: But it's a you know, I think the scripts are
Speaker 4: really one of the most brilliant scripts I've read for
Speaker 4: this particular genre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's called Lanterns.
Speaker 5: It's called lantern.
Speaker 1: It's is it based on green lantern? Yes? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: Lisa and I do have a mutual friend who recited
Speaker 1: the green Lantern oath at his wedding vows. So I
Speaker 1: know somebody who will be going to who will be
Speaker 1: watching your show. You're doing something that is such cool
Speaker 1: stuff such VERI cool, thank you, thank you, a thrill
Speaker 1: and a nation to like do your career.
Speaker 2: People don't always do that, especially when you're rewarded with
Speaker 2: fun stuff.
Speaker 5: Such a fun journey.
Speaker 1: No, but I mean like leaving advertising, taking the risk
Speaker 1: doing something it's like really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, you just have to keep
Speaker 4: in mind that things may not work out and you
Speaker 4: have to find your sweet spot and doing something you
Speaker 4: love you keep keep in water.
Speaker 5: Like at some point when I wasn't working at all,
Speaker 5: I was like, I'll just be an acting class. That's okay.
Speaker 4: And I go to a school called the Barrow Group
Speaker 4: in New York. It's one of, I think one of
Speaker 4: the best places to learn acting, and for me just being.
Speaker 5: In class was enough. At some point it was great.
Speaker 4: And so you have to be okay with whatever place
Speaker 4: in the spectrum of of when you're expressing your creativity.
Speaker 5: You land in.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, love her, love her, love her story, chills, chills,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Yeah. I love also that you got
Speaker 1: this group from asif so that we could get that story,
Speaker 1: because that was fun.
Speaker 2: Fresh as a daisy. I mean, can you imagine like
Speaker 2: fucking Lumier yelling at you like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Loumier, Oh my god, he's like Cherie, get off
Speaker 1: my set. He hates her. But that, I mean, she's
Speaker 1: so good, She's so good and everything. It's honestly making
Speaker 1: me want to watch Deli boys. I'm gonna start watching it.
Speaker 1: But wow, I mean today's episode post mortem, what are we?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: This is just sad.
Speaker 2: You know, last week we had fucking, you know, homophobia chats.
Speaker 2: This week is races, like hate is not good, Like
Speaker 2: why it doesn't make anyone's lives better?
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 1: I mean I almost like hate that in like in
Speaker 1: the minds of oh my god, I'm just calling her Emma.
Speaker 1: But what is she in the episode? Norene or something?
Speaker 1: The wife. She's like, you guys don't care about white
Speaker 1: people anymore. You only care about people that are like
Speaker 1: try this and that and it's like, okay, so we've
Speaker 1: turned our attention to some marginalized groups, so now you
Speaker 1: guys can just go out and murder people. I'm confused, Like, wow.
Speaker 2: That's the well, it's the classic like if you have privilege,
Speaker 2: equality seems like oppression. Yes, it's like that classic thing
Speaker 2: where but yeah, no, school, all these things suck, Like
Speaker 2: all kids should get attention and help if they need,
Speaker 2: whether they're super smart or behind, or speak English or don't,
Speaker 2: or artistic or can't or can't write, and maybe they
Speaker 2: could do an oil like all of that, but that's funding.
Speaker 2: And like they don't, like no one realizes the reason
Speaker 2: our country is shitty is because of racism, Like they
Speaker 2: don't want to understand, like for our country's goal is
Speaker 2: to make sure black people don't have things. Because of that,
Speaker 2: all children are punished, yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, why does your kid get more
Speaker 2: than the other?
Speaker 1: Like all kids. Like it's like college was free and then.
Speaker 2: Black people started going and Reagan went not on my watch,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like everything is worse
Speaker 2: because they didn't want black people. Because there's a book
Speaker 2: I have to I should read it. But like that
Speaker 2: there used to be public pools everywhere and then when
Speaker 2: integration in communities. But then integration happened, and white people
Speaker 2: would rather not have a pool in their community than
Speaker 2: share it with black people. And that's why there's not
Speaker 2: pools everywhere like there used to be, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's like they're constant work, like they're constantly
Speaker 2: ruining their own lives, yeah, and then blaming like black people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then that like these and the policies that
Speaker 1: also turn different minority groups against each other, like in
Speaker 1: the episode when the guy was like, even the Latinos
Speaker 1: hate us now, like they think it's our fault that
Speaker 1: for all these ice raids and stuff. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, the policies are blanket racist against a lot
Speaker 1: of people. But you guys shouldn't turn on each other, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're being persecuted, don't turn on other
Speaker 1: persecuted people. So but good job.
Speaker 2: It's like propaganda to the max, and it works. It
Speaker 2: fucking works. Like we all know if have we not
Speaker 2: seen a bug's life? Come on, you know, when the
Speaker 2: ants gets together, the grasshoppers stand no chance fear. You know,
Speaker 2: you can instill fear when the ants will work together.
Speaker 2: But it's just so complicated, and it seems like humanity
Speaker 2: hasn't shifted. I was watching one book guy on Instagram
Speaker 2: saying how like he reads so many classics, some books
Speaker 2: from like hundreds of years ago, and how human even
Speaker 2: if the language is different, we're not like humans are
Speaker 2: so the same, Like we haven't actually changed, Like we
Speaker 2: want the same thing, like everything you know, and and
Speaker 2: it seems like all of our flaws are still the same,
Speaker 2: and like, just we're not.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I was just having that same conversation
Speaker 1: in a text thread about this Olivia Rodrigo thing, which
Speaker 1: by the time this episode comes out, this is like
Speaker 1: a moment. Well it's a radio he's talking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But in general, we were like talking about how we
Speaker 1: were like, wait, so she can't wear what she wants
Speaker 1: like this is I was like, yeah, it's very much
Speaker 1: giving what was she wearing? And my friend was saying
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's just so funny how people just
Speaker 1: have the same ideas over and over again, like they're
Speaker 1: just also Olivia talks about the same shit, and Olivia
Speaker 1: talks about it, she goes, you guys are perverts. You're
Speaker 1: saying it's infantile and I'm doing some sexy baby thing,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to look like Courtney Love and like
Speaker 1: Kate Bush, yeah, or was that Kate Bush or maybe
Speaker 1: some other cool rock starre that I don't know, but
Speaker 1: she's like, I wanted to look like these cool women
Speaker 1: from the nineties and you're the perverts. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: same with like, shit, a little girl where bikinis it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hot, like one pieces are annoying, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know what's the big Like who cares? You're the pervert? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're the pervert. Like just yeah, like that said, we
Speaker 1: don't need this many cutouts. There's too many cutouts in
Speaker 1: little kids bathing suits. I'm not putting a bunch of
Speaker 1: sunscreen on a little patch that well now it's like
Speaker 1: swim shirts or whatever. But it's like, but also, little
Speaker 1: girls should be able to wear just bottom what they want,
Speaker 1: what they yes, And Rosie always is like asking about that.
Speaker 1: She's like, why why can't ask you take off a shirt?
Speaker 1: And I can't. I'm like, you actually can't because everyone's
Speaker 1: a pedophile and we in our society, I don't care
Speaker 1: if you take your shirt off, like you can take
Speaker 1: it off, Like I let her run around topless at
Speaker 1: the beach the other day. Yeah, that's normal. I did
Speaker 1: not wear a bikini top when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Remember the copper tone baby, wasn't it the copper tone baby?
Speaker 1: That was like a little dog. That's we pervert it to.
Speaker 1: We don't need a butt crack, Like I don't know right,
Speaker 1: but it was a baby not wear It was a
Speaker 1: little kid not wearing a top. It was a little
Speaker 1: girl wearing not wearing a top. The butt crack is different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, but should she wear that? And
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, should we like rip out
Speaker 1: the eyes of men? Let's do that instead, like a
Speaker 1: kid can't wear shorts and a tank top? Because it
Speaker 1: was basically what you were just saying before of like
Speaker 1: everyone just keeps going back to the same ideas and.
Speaker 2: Then every time something changes where we're like the way
Speaker 2: we treated Britney Spears was not okay, we need to change,
Speaker 2: and then we never ever ever change ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are still mean as fuck. We're still awful
Speaker 1: to people's body, Like Lena Dunham, Like we're still mean
Speaker 1: to her twenty years later. It's just like, I guess
Speaker 1: evolution took millions and millions of years, so maybe in
Speaker 1: our lifetimes we're not going to see as much y
Speaker 1: as we want.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's also because the people in charge haven't
Speaker 2: shifted in these hundreds of years. I mean, I also
Speaker 2: don't want to like diminish the progress that is made.
Speaker 2: Like you know, we have like a brown mayor who's Muslim.
Speaker 1: In New York, Like things change, there's more wit, but
Speaker 1: it's so slow. I'm so fucked and it's so frustrating,
Speaker 1: and like this episode is horrific. Watch your family that
Speaker 1: your son gets taken away. He'll get killed in this
Speaker 1: other country. Is like yeah, her brother but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah brother, my bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I know it was like just a lot of and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, we had a there was a conversation
Speaker 1: in this episode about what it's okay for people women
Speaker 1: to wear, right, yeah, so cover or not covering, and
Speaker 1: it's just but what it's like.
Speaker 2: But Olivia Rerigo is such a badass and like her
Speaker 2: last tour she was like giving like abortion pills and
Speaker 2: like giving money and going to states where like it
Speaker 2: was illegal, and she is like this badass and you
Speaker 2: think she's trying to be a Saxony, maybe go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: I'll murder all of you. And I think in that sense,
Speaker 1: we like because you just brought up Brittany, I'm glad
Speaker 1: we have like sort of shifted into this era of
Speaker 1: pop stars that have feel like and I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes, but it feels like
Speaker 1: they have more agency and they talk about with like
Speaker 1: Zara Larson is really cool. She talks about abortion really openly.
Speaker 1: I mean twenty years ago, pop stars would not be
Speaker 1: talking about that, you know, you know, they'd be talking
Speaker 1: about if they were virgins or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And not only that, like even with Sabrina Carpenter, I
Speaker 2: mean I didn't love you know, the cover with her
Speaker 2: hairbingled whatever. That's a personal thing, but you know, I
Speaker 2: see things written about her where it's like, even though
Speaker 2: it's sexy, it's still always for the female gaze, Like
Speaker 2: she is so for the female gaze, Like the show
Speaker 2: is for the girlies in this really cool way, and
Speaker 2: like Billie Eilish wearing baggy pants, like, no, the kids
Speaker 2: will be okay, it's us that.
Speaker 1: Will ruin it. For them. Yeah. Oh man, yeah, well
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 2: Never growing and thinking that it's like a fourteen year
Speaker 2: old in a tube tops the big problem.
Speaker 1: Seriously, women can't think about Well, someone sent me this
Speaker 1: video maybe you know link to it. That's about like
Speaker 1: how we how like purity culture has like inadvertently come back,
Speaker 1: not inadvertently like on p hold on, I gotta find
Speaker 1: this video. Yeah I watched. It's old as fuck. It's
Speaker 1: like the Phil Dona Hugh Show. Was it those girl
Speaker 1: that's saying that that gen Z accidentally reinvented purity culture?
Speaker 1: It's like a YouTube video. Well, we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: next week, Well, pity culture next week. They're more part
Speaker 1: of it than we think. They're not having sex, they're
Speaker 1: not drinking. Come on, guys, get out there. That's because
Speaker 1: they're depressed, because they're not going out, because they're on
Speaker 1: their phones. Like we used to mingle. We used to
Speaker 1: be outside. We used to be at a park for hours.
Speaker 2: We used to watch people play basketball and run around
Speaker 2: and sit at the mall and go to Barnes and
Speaker 2: Noble like like there was like they are at home, depressed, illiterate,
Speaker 2: and that's like another reading thing that I've been seeing
Speaker 2: too where it's like when men would be romance and
Speaker 2: all this stuff, but it's like it came from reading,
Speaker 2: it came from culture, and we're void of it.
Speaker 1: There's no accidents.
Speaker 2: They're not accidentally finding a thing and going oh my god.
Speaker 2: It's like their phone is feeding them what they want,
Speaker 2: like right, and now the fucking Ellison's own TikTok.
Speaker 1: Who knows what they're giving those kids? Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's just like it's a nightmare. But that's
Speaker 1: you know, the digital care. They are trying to go back.
Speaker 1: They're trying to go back. Yeah, they're trying some of them.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we can't get too more depressing. Let's
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