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Speaker 1: What's up his way up at Angela Yee.

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Speaker 2: I'm Angela Yee and I like to say this is

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Speaker 2: my friend because she really is late than Thomas is

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Speaker 2: here and we've had her on the show before. Mama

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Speaker 2: Glow Mama Glow Foundation, the Soft Space, which has opened recently.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about everything that you have going on

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Speaker 2: right now because Black Maternal Health Week is April eleventh

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Speaker 2: to the seventeenth, and so I want to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we have I mean so many things that we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean starting with Black Paternal Health Week.

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Speaker 3: You know, this year's theme is our Bodies Still Belong

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Speaker 3: to Us, which is really important as we think about

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Speaker 3: reproductive justice. We think about the attack or reproductive rights

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Speaker 3: in this country and how it disapportionately affects Black women

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Speaker 3: more specifically if we don't have act to abortion. So

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Speaker 3: that's one piece of it. And when we think about

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Speaker 3: Black maternal health, people really focus obviously on birth, which

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Speaker 3: is important because as we know, Black women are more

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Speaker 3: likely to die during childbirth childbirth related causes. When we

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Speaker 3: think about white women and Black women in this country,

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Speaker 3: black women are three times more likely to die, but

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Speaker 3: at the same time we look at the access to

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Speaker 3: health care more generally and our reproductive health care, we

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Speaker 3: have an attack our reproductive rights. It really impacts us first, right,

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Speaker 3: and the most. And so this year's theme is really

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Speaker 3: about like thinking about reproductive health more broadly, right, and

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Speaker 3: thinking about the options that we have for care and

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Speaker 3: innovative solutions that we can make to bridge those gaps.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Latham, I want I'm so glad you brought that

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Speaker 2: up first, because I want to talk about this narrative

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Speaker 2: that black women are murdering their babies and that there

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Speaker 2: is this really false narrative that people have that, oh,

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Speaker 2: black women are the ones who are having abortions, and.

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Speaker 3: Usually more white women have them than we do.

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Speaker 1: Right, which people don't talk about.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And also statistically speaking, more coupled people have abortions

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Speaker 3: than single people.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So it's family is right. So a lot of families

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Speaker 3: that's what the data shows. So it's not actually unwed

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Speaker 3: or promiscuous people running the streets or women of the night,

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Speaker 3: you know, the ways that people like to sort of

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Speaker 3: frame it abortions. You know, there's not one type of

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Speaker 3: person who has an abortion, if you think about it,

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Speaker 3: I like to think about it in this way. An

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Speaker 3: in a country where we don't have you know, social

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Speaker 3: services lined up for people, we don't have a safety net,

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Speaker 3: people don't have insurance guarantee, you don't have health care guarantee,

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Speaker 3: people don't have education guaranteed housing. There's all kinds of like,

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Speaker 3: you know, issues that really frame what reproductive justice entails

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Speaker 3: You know, it's really important right to have discussion around

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Speaker 2: And I think that's important for people to understand that too,

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Speaker 2: because you know, I think that it is terrible to

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Speaker 2: we want to do and we're being forced to do things.

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Speaker 2: And I also feel like, depending on your financial circumstance, you'll.

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Speaker 1: Always have access.

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Speaker 2: So if it's harder for you to have access to

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Speaker 2: to stay for the night, that's going to be hard.

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Speaker 2: But if you have money and you have access, you

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Speaker 3: It's a huge financial burden. I think the thing to

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of organizations that help people with that,

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Speaker 2: And even with IVF, that's another thing as we talk

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Speaker 2: about our bodies and family planning that's under attack as well.

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Speaker 2: So interesting, So they want you to have the baby,

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Speaker 3: Right, and then they want your embryos to be full

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Speaker 1: But so when the baby gets support for an embryo,

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Speaker 3: Right, so like we had to think about everything, we

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Speaker 1: Who's making these decisions when we say.

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Speaker 3: Girl, people who don't have this anatomy, like people who

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Speaker 3: These these these these laws that they put in place,

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Speaker 3: And so you see a lot of issues where I

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Speaker 2: And imagine having a miscarriage that's already difficult enough.

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Speaker 3: And traumatizing enough and now being chied to the crime

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Speaker 1: It's never an easy decision.

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Speaker 3: It's an abortion is still birth right, and so what

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Speaker 3: happens is that your body still undergoes the same processes

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Speaker 2: Lot more people are using the medication, the medically induced

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Speaker 3: Doing it at home, which I think for a lot

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk about the soft space because clearly,

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Speaker 2: incredibly enough, you actually had done meditation there prior to

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Speaker 1: Because we need a soft space. We do need a

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Speaker 3: Lan right, it's her soft era. Y'all also come join

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Speaker 3: And so so funny story that you should mention. In

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Speaker 3: And so here we are finally in This beautiful space

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Speaker 2: Explore and to have people advocating for you too. And

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Speaker 2: Important and it has there been any advancements as far

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Speaker 3: our physicians don't even understand what falls under perimenopause in

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00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: terms of symptoms, and so one of the things that's

437
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 3: immediate that people experience is vaginal dryness, and so for her,

438
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: that's probably what she was experiencing with severe vaginal dryness

439
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: and was probably not told that, like there was a

440
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 3: combination of hormones that could be used as well as

441
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: some topicals and also insertables that she could be using

442
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 3: to help with the sensations that she was having. But yeah,

443
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like we don't have these discussions

444
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 3: because again, if you think about women's health in general,

445
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 3: we're not having a lot of discussions we should be having.

446
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: It's like all those stuff is happening in silos. We're

447
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: not like sitting around the table and on he's are

448
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: talking about things and moms and cousins to where it's

449
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: like news that we would have like in our you know,

450
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: in our back pocket able to access these things are happening, yeah,

451
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: like tucked away. But also because people feel ashamed of it. Yea.

452
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Speaker 1: And if she has said that, yeah, like oh my god,

453
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Speaker 1: mean you know you do it right?

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

455
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Speaker 2: And even thinking about fibraids, like up until about ten

456
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: years ago, I really didn't hear people talking about fibraids.

457
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a common thing.

458
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of women have them. And I think

459
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 3: that one of the things too is because doctors would

460
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: say there's nothing we can do, and we can remove them,

461
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: but there's nothing we can do a lot of people

462
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: as a result of that then like don't talk about it,

463
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: right because they feel shamed because they can't figure out

464
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: how to address them, how to shrink them, how to

465
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, work to reduce them without surgery, a surgery

466
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: for some people that the surgical pathway is the only

467
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: way for for some people, diet and lifestyle and stress

468
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: management can reduce the size. And I've seen that and

469
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: I've seen it with people, seen it, right, So we

470
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: know people when you do that.

471
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Speaker 1: You do a detas all kinds of dies.

472
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Speaker 3: It can happen. And one thing to think about too,

473
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: especially in our community, because there's certain foods that we

474
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Speaker 3: just love and I understand it, but those are some

475
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: of the foods that like are their culpriate foods when

476
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: it comes to fibroids. So like really like dairy, right,

477
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: and people don't think about like dairy. So if you

478
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: think about a cow, when a baby calf is born,

479
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: they're like seventy five pounds at birth, right, like off

480
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: the rip, seventy five pounds. Okay, in a year they're

481
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: five hundred pounds. So think about what they're drinking, right,

482
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: it's actually it's not for us. It's to put on

483
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 3: body mass. And so what milk does for baby calves

484
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: is to build body mass. It's not focused on the

485
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: things that like we need, which is like more if

486
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: you think about like what milk is designed for and infants,

487
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: like human infants, it has different It has a different

488
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Speaker 3: fat and fat protein and carbohydrate composition which supports like

489
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Speaker 3: a growing infit.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was always taught that milk that's for

491
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Speaker 2: a caf is not for a human, yes, except that's

492
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Speaker 2: for a baby caf Exactly cow's milk. Were there such

493
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: a huge campaign like milk it doesn't good?

494
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Speaker 3: There was such a huge yeah, all of that stuff,

495
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: which really is if you think about, like most of

496
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: the world population is actually allergic to cow's milk. Right,

497
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Speaker 3: So so we have.

498
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Speaker 1: These lactose and tolerant issues.

499
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: Exactly, but we'd be dealing lactate and this and that.

500
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: But so if we could just like get rid of

501
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: things like that, think about also how that would impact

502
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: our fibroid growth, right, because again they grow based on

503
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: like sugar, based on you know, dairy stress and then

504
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: and then lifestyle issues too, like stress management like not

505
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 3: sleeping enough, hydrating, enough, but then also like some of

506
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: the toxins that live in our environment and our hair

507
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: care product, skin care, et cetera.

508
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Speaker 2: And you know we talked about breast Now that's something

509
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Speaker 2: also that you guys are focusing on in the South

510
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: space and with the Mamma Glow Foundation, communities with a

511
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Speaker 2: low breastfeeding race, can you talk to us about that?

512
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Speaker 3: Yes, So I'm really excited that we actually just launched

513
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: a program called the Mamaglo Foundation First Foods Justice Breastfeeding

514
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: Certification Program and it's for doulas. And this program is

515
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: going to train one hundred doulas in the community to

516
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: become lactation community elactation educators. And what that looks like

517
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: is the training that they're doing is over a three

518
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: week period. It's twice a week, and they have office hours,

519
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 3: they have homework, they have tests, and ultimately they come

520
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: out of this being able to support people in their

521
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: community who might be locked out of breastfeeding as a pathway,

522
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: who might not have had breastfeeding support. Typically speaking, breastfeeding

523
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: has been undermined historically in our community. But also we

524
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: have a fraud relationship with breastfeeding because during chatdle sleay.

525
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: Our bodies were used to you know, feel others, right,

526
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: the master's babies. And then also in reconstruction, we were

527
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: working as wet nurses and so and wet nurses were

528
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: literally giving their milk away, you know, and not really

529
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: being able to charge for it. By the way, and

530
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: what people don't understand is there was an entire market

531
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: adjacent to the slave market where people will be sold,

532
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: there was a secondary market that was just for black milk, right,

533
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: that was actually real white being told and it was

534
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 3: by white women. Right. So the thing is is that

535
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: there is historical wounds and psychic wounds around infant feeding

536
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 3: in our community. That's like in our bodies, right, And

537
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 3: so for us when we reclaim breastfeeding, it's like a

538
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: reproductive rite, but it's also like a radical act for

539
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 3: us to really reclaim this. And so for us we

540
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: think about it in community. This is so first foods.

541
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: Justice is about like infant milk, like breast milk as

542
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: a first food, Like that's the first food that we

543
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 3: come in contact with, and every infant should have access

544
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 3: to it. And that's how we think about this. And

545
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: so you know, formula is there, it's a resort you know,

546
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: it's an option if we need it, but it's not

547
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: the first one that we go to. We really teach

548
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: people about what their bodies can do, like and then

549
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: create the supports necessary for them to actually sustain breastfeeding.

550
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: Because you know, in this country we can say, oh,

551
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: people should breastfeed, but think about what we do to

552
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: people ten days after you have a baby.

553
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: They want you to go back to work, yes, indeed, right,

554
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: and then they make it also difficult for you to

555
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: be able to breastfeed.

556
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: Even at work. Right. They got you in a toilet

557
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, I'm here in the stall like breastfeeding,

558
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 3: Like I need a room, right, And so there are

559
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: laws is a Pump Act was put in place that

560
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 3: was put in place last year that really looked at

561
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: discrimination for people who are breastfeeding, but also making sure

562
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 3: that there's adequate spaces for you to breastfeed when you're

563
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: at work and things like that and pumping at work. Yeah.

564
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: See, progress is slow, but it's happened.

565
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: What's happening, Okay.

566
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: So I do love the idea of celebrating the wins

567
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: but also being quite aware of things that are being

568
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: taken from us and what we need to do to

569
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: try to ensure that we can continue to have control over.

570
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: Our bodies, because, like you said, our bodies still belong

571
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: to us.

572
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: Our bodies belong to us.

573
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: All Right, what's the thing, listen, Is there anything that

574
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: we didn't mention that you want to make sure we

575
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: talk about as we're gearing up for Black Maternal Health Week?

576
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I feel like we talked about a

577
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: lot of things. I mean, I can just say one thing,

578
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: which is that we do have the mom will do

579
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: a homeschool professional training program coming back again this June.

580
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: It's virtual. If you want to join us.

581
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: Please do Mamaglow dot com.

582
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: I'mgo dot com and sign up. It's gonna be an

583
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: amazing training. If you're even if you're not interested in

584
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: becoming a duelo so that you can go out into

585
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 3: the world professionally, if you just want this information so

586
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 3: that you can be better, receive better healthcare, understand like

587
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 3: what's happening to our bodies. If you want to do this,

588
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: like if you if you I know people who come

589
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: because they're pregnant and they just want the information. But

590
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: also if you want to be a professional, this is

591
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: a place to go. This training is the only one

592
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: of its kind that's embedded in the Ivy League University

593
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: that's like, you know, centering black women and marginalized people

594
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: and of a black female led company. So we're here

595
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: to really like do the work. So join us. We

596
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: would love to see you there, but also join us

597
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: of a soft space if you're in if you're in

598
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: Brooklyn and in person, come see us because there's so

599
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: much fun stuff happening there. We have stuff for men too.

600
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, and I saw that too men as

601
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: far as even mental health, you know, a space to

602
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: be able to feel comfortable and connect with others exactly

603
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: as well. Just great important conversations happening. You're always doing

604
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: a good work.

605
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: So are you all right?

606
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: Well?

607
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Speaker 1: Late? The time is thank you.

608
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Speaker 2: Oh and I got some gifts here, Yes, not forget that,

609
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: because you've never come without a gift.

610
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: Oh you know the gifts. Okay, So a couple things.

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00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: The first one is a Manifestation Guy book in Deck

612
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: from Aliza Kelly, who is an amazing astrologer. I love her.

613
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: No incidence, right, She's amazing. Even if I think about

614
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: how we met, it was not a coincidence. Right, Johnny

615
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: nuona Is introduced.

616
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Speaker 3: That, which was amazing and I definitely.

617
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Speaker 1: Kept in contact after that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we have to have gotta have some fun. So

619
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Speaker 3: we got the twenty one seeds, greapefruit and hibiscus tequila.

620
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Speaker 2: I cannot wait to tell this. I had the cucumber

621
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Speaker 2: and I think jalapenno at home because.

622
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Speaker 3: This is the bomb because paloma is poloma season Paloma, right,

623
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Speaker 3: it's about to be springs. So that's that. And then

624
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Speaker 3: I had to get you matching Mala beads. These are

625
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: the Mama Glow Mala beads that we have, which are

626
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Speaker 3: some precious stones.

627
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Speaker 2: How beautiful this is and they pretty I love this,

628
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Speaker 2: all right, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and here's your little Sashee for them.

630
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much again.

631
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Speaker 2: Late them time is and I know you'll be coming

632
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: in and checking in with me of course frequently, and.

633
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Speaker 1: I'll be at the soft space.

634
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: Can't wait.

635
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Speaker 2: All right, make sure you guys follow her. She is

636
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Speaker 2: a founder of Mama Glow and the Mama Glow Foundation.

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Speaker 3: Yes,