WEBVTT - The Tree Branch

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Imagine there's a place in our world where the

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<v Speaker 1>known things go. A deer haunted forest, crowded with pines

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<v Speaker 1>and hemlocks, the carpet of needles beneath your feet, grouse

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<v Speaker 1>in the underbrush. Welcome to the woods. Outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>Last Archive. I'm Jill Lapour. This episode, we're celebrating an anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the anniversary of a dream, an alternate history.

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<v Speaker 1>We're imagining what the world might be like if fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, in nineteen seventy two, Americans had ratified an

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<v Speaker 1>environmental rights Amendment, an amendment to the US Constitution granting

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<v Speaker 1>not only protection but representation to the natural world. This

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<v Speaker 1>did not happen, But this episode, I want to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>about what the world would be like if it had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to think about the road not taken. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to rekindle a spirit of imagination about what could

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<v Speaker 1>still happen. To start, let's go back to where by

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<v Speaker 1>my reckoning. The American environmental movement began in a seaside

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<v Speaker 1>cabin on an island in Maine in nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>when Rachel Carson issued a warning about pesticides and petroleum

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<v Speaker 1>companies so step through a screen door into Rachel Carson's

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<v Speaker 1>cabin in Maine, on the edge of the sea. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to these people, apparently the vald of nature was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was repealed or as soon as man came on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, Well, you might just as well assume that

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<v Speaker 1>you could repeal the law of gravity. Rachel person had

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<v Speaker 1>been writing for a long time by this point about

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<v Speaker 1>the natural world, especially about the ocean. She loved mucking

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<v Speaker 1>about in the shoreline, where she studied the tiniest creatures

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<v Speaker 1>eddying in tide pools. She was fascinated by their interdependence.

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<v Speaker 1>The balance of nature is built of a series of

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<v Speaker 1>interrelationships between living things and between living things and their environment.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty three, a reporter from CBS News had

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<v Speaker 1>driven up to her remote cabin It's on a little

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<v Speaker 1>spit of an island, to ask her some questions. Carson

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<v Speaker 1>had just published Silence Spring, a lyrical and terrifying account

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<v Speaker 1>of what pesticides were doing to the natural world. Pesticides

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<v Speaker 1>kill insects, sure, but they also kill birds that eat

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<v Speaker 1>insects and the animals that eat the birds. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>just kill one thing, Carson demonstrated, You put out a poison.

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<v Speaker 1>It poisons everything because everything is connected to everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>They come one day, she warned, an entirely silent spring.

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<v Speaker 1>No crickets chirp, no frogs peep, no bird song. The

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<v Speaker 1>pesticide industry waged a campaign to try to portray Carson

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<v Speaker 1>as a silly old lady. It didn't work. We did

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<v Speaker 1>a whole episode about Carson in season one. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>for the Birds Anyway. In nineteen sixty two, Sound Spring

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<v Speaker 1>became a bestseller, and Carson was hailed as a visionary.

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<v Speaker 1>Her book fundamentally changed how people thought about the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>President Kennedy read it, and Carson testified before the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Carson died less than two years later, but she'd raised

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<v Speaker 1>in the public mind a new and urgent concern about

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of environmental problems. Then nineteen sixty nine, NASA

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<v Speaker 1>sent men to the Moon, and their photographs showed the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole Earth, small and fragile, something to protect, a

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<v Speaker 1>pale blue dot, as if made of glass, a blue marble.

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<v Speaker 1>In September nineteen sixty nine, two months after men from

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth landed on the Moon, Moonday, a Maverick, Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>senator named gay Lord Nelson proposed a celebration, a national holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>He called it Earth Day. The environment is all of

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<v Speaker 1>America and its problems. It's the raps in the ghetto,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hungry child and a land of affluence. Nelson

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<v Speaker 1>modeled Earth Day after anti war teachings. With all that urgency,

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<v Speaker 1>life and death at stake, the future of humanity itself.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any other issue, viewed in its

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<v Speaker 1>broadest stands, which is his critical to mankind as the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of the quality of the environment in which we live.

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<v Speaker 1>Gaylord Nelson had grown up in Wisconsin. When he was fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd started a campaign the plant trees in his hometown,

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<v Speaker 1>clear Lake. As governor of Wisconsin, he'd made environmental protection

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<v Speaker 1>his top priority. He taxed tobacco and used the money

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<v Speaker 1>to buy land for public park. In the Senate, he

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated himself to getting the environment on the national political agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>In his first year, he co sponsored the Clean Water Act.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also the first person to propose an environmental

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<v Speaker 1>rights amendment. In a speech in the Senate on January nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, Nelson proposed a constitutional amendment that read, every

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<v Speaker 1>person has the inalienable right to a decent environment. People

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<v Speaker 1>propose amendments all the time that never go anywhere, but

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<v Speaker 1>still it planted a seed. I've been thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>lately about amending the Constitution and why it's so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and when it got so hard to do.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen seventies, it looked like another amendment, the

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<v Speaker 1>Equal Rights Amendment banning discrimination on the basis of sex,

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<v Speaker 1>would surely be ratified. In the end, it wasn't. But

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy when gay Lord Nelson proposed an environmental

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<v Speaker 1>rights amendment, it just didn't seem that crazy. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, the twenty six the men it was ratified.

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<v Speaker 1>It lowered the voting age to eighteen. In the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, you could still ratify amendments to the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>On January twenty second, three days after Gaylord Nelson proposed

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<v Speaker 1>his environment a rights amendment, Richard Nixon, the President, through

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<v Speaker 1>his support behind this idea in his State of the

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<v Speaker 1>Union address, The great question of the seventies is shall

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<v Speaker 1>we surrender to our surroundings, or shall we make our

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<v Speaker 1>peace with nature and begin to make reparations for the

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<v Speaker 1>damage we have done to our heir, to our land,

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<v Speaker 1>and to our wife. Nixon, in other words, seem to

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<v Speaker 1>have embraced Rachel Carson's agenda restoring nature to its natural

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<v Speaker 1>state as a cause beyond party and beyond factions. It

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<v Speaker 1>has become a common cause of all the people of

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<v Speaker 1>this country. The scale of the crisis was obvious to everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen seventy, States had become a very trashy looking place.

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<v Speaker 1>It was embarrassing pollution, small glitter everywhere. The Cuyahoga River

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland had caught fire only months before, and not

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. The water was so entirely polluted

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<v Speaker 1>with oil slick debris that when sparks from a passing

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<v Speaker 1>train flicked over the river, it went up in flames,

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<v Speaker 1>flames as high as a five story building. Public outrage

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<v Speaker 1>had been so intense that Nixon had signed into law

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<v Speaker 1>the National Environmental Policy Act, which helped establish the Environmental

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<v Speaker 1>Protection Agency. Through our years of past carelessness, we incurred

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<v Speaker 1>a debt to nature. And now that debt is being called.

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<v Speaker 1>The program I shall proposed to Congress will be the

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<v Speaker 1>most comprehensive and costly program In this view. Again, America's history.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about it this way, post War America, people

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<v Speaker 1>are finally fed up with the ravages of the Industrial Revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>the pollution, the filthy factories, the dead fish in the rivers,

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<v Speaker 1>the dying oceans, the smog. To stop all that, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to pass some laws. One way to drum up

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<v Speaker 1>support invent a national holiday. Call it Earth Day, Tell

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<v Speaker 1>people about it, get them out on the streets, run ads,

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<v Speaker 1>and stir up news coverage on television across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel as though all this is a reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to publicity that's been blasted across the nation. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a real, real, big political move, probably bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than any other political move we've ever seen this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Birthday wasn't a federal holiday. We're like a rally day,

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<v Speaker 1>but also more than rally day. Governors agreed to on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Day, so did a lot of musicians, poets, politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>In Washington, the House and Senator journed for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Practically every Senator and congressman was off to make speeches

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<v Speaker 1>on the year's most popular and least risky election issial

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty, nineteen seventy, that first Earth Day took place

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<v Speaker 1>all over the country, in cities and towns, at state capitals,

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<v Speaker 1>a polluted highways. People picked up trash on river banks

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<v Speaker 1>from the Kalamazoo to the Mississippi. Schools canceled classes, kindergarteners

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<v Speaker 1>did crafts, college students marched in the streets, and middle

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<v Speaker 1>schoolers went on field trips wearing baseball caps and muck boots,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying binoculars as they trudged the woods to a lake

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<v Speaker 1>whose shoreline was covered with trash. This is pollution, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's poor hearby man, all right, So this isn't anything

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<v Speaker 1>that Nature staff was that when you look at nature,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to find it a pretty peaceful thing. Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight poisoned girls from Councils Loves AIOH. We're out early

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<v Speaker 1>this Earthday morning. They are members of Missus Willard Hopper's

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<v Speaker 1>sixth grade science class. Right full of answers. Another triumph

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<v Speaker 1>of hope over experience. And pretty much everywhere that first

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Day, people sang out. In Boston, protesters held a

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<v Speaker 1>die in at Logan Airport to call attention to the

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<v Speaker 1>pollution caused by airplanes. They pretended to die there. There

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<v Speaker 1>were teachings and cleanups. Protesters wore surgical masks to call

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<v Speaker 1>attention to air pollution. Parts of New York City banned

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<v Speaker 1>cars for the day. Protesters in Chicago called for the

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<v Speaker 1>elimination of the internal combustion engine, and in Washington, civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights leader James Farmer tied the fledgling environmental movement to

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<v Speaker 1>racial justice. The garbage, the trash, the carbon monoxide, the junk.

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<v Speaker 1>Who suffers most from it if it is not the poor?

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<v Speaker 1>And so the poor, especially the ghatois poor, the black

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<v Speaker 1>and the brown and the red stand to benefit first

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<v Speaker 1>from any successes in cleaning up the environment. In Albuquerque,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bareless Neighborhood, the leaders of a Chicano rally

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<v Speaker 1>made the same argument. We're going to make people understand,

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<v Speaker 1>but the kind of thing has come from our pollution,

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<v Speaker 1>water pollution are the same kind of things that cause racism,

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<v Speaker 1>to cause poverty, and cause hunger in this country. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're all going to be marching to day. Okay. In Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 1>at the Salem Zion United Church of Christ, middle aged

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<v Speaker 1>congregants and Sunday suits and bonnets joined their young pastor

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<v Speaker 1>in a special Earth Day prayer. We have helped to

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<v Speaker 1>fill up your air pollute your streams and clutter your

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<v Speaker 1>earth with crash and gadgets. Now our high style heavy

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<v Speaker 1>with sorrow for what we have done, but not before

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<v Speaker 1>our sinuses and lungs warned us a great danger. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>nice idea, but I confess the prayer doesn't entirely work

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Still, it's a measure of the intensity of

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. And out of all those meetings and

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<v Speaker 1>marches and clean ups and conversation after conversation came a

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<v Speaker 1>demand for something more power to the earth. But what

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<v Speaker 1>would that mean? Earth Day was the biggest protest in

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<v Speaker 1>human history. Listening to the tape, you can feel this

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<v Speaker 1>oceanic swell, this common knowledge that the earth is in trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that people will make sacrifices to save it.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds as though things might actually change. But listening now,

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<v Speaker 1>who know as well as I do that things didn't

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<v Speaker 1>change nearly as much as they needed to. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell that story again, though, I want instead

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine what if that moment really had changed everything?

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<v Speaker 1>How could it have the answer? After this break? The

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<v Speaker 1>idea that everything could have turned out differently in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies is not crazy. Remember that in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>at the very same time that Wisconsin Senator gay Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson had come up with the idea for Earth Day,

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<v Speaker 1>he come up with the idea of an amendment to

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<v Speaker 1>the US Constitution guaranteeing people the right to a decent environment.

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<v Speaker 1>While he was working on that, some states started trying

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<v Speaker 1>to guarantee the same thing. The first to succeed in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one was Pennsylvania. The state ratified its own

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<v Speaker 1>environmental rights amendment by popular referendum by a margin of

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<v Speaker 1>four to one. So people who wanted to change the

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<v Speaker 1>federal Constitution to save the planet, we're getting pretty excited.

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<v Speaker 1>It all seemed so promising, so promising that environmental advoca

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<v Speaker 1>groups pressed the case. They came up with another way,

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating way to think about how to grant power

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<v Speaker 1>to the earth. That idea spread it up. In California,

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<v Speaker 1>the Walt Disney Company was about to build a ski

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<v Speaker 1>resort in Mineral King Valley. The Sierra Club sued to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the plan, but the court said it lacked standing.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sierra Club challenged the permit permitting this to go on,

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<v Speaker 1>and case went up to the Ninth Circuit and the

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<v Speaker 1>far Service said, look, you the Sierra Club don't have standing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this is a wrong to issue the permit, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're not injured. You as a club are not injured.

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<v Speaker 1>That's USC law professor Christopher Stone from an old interview

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, he followed the case very closely. When

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that case, I thought, this isn't a way

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<v Speaker 1>sort of silly. This is an important decision, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>whether to develop the Mineral King Valley in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure how it should come out, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least it should be heard. And if the problem of

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<v Speaker 1>its being heard is that this club was not suffered

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<v Speaker 1>no injury, why not just saying, look, the injury is

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<v Speaker 1>suffered by a Mineral King Valley. The injury is suffered

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<v Speaker 1>by the valley. Stone decided to write a law review article.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called should Trees Have Standing? Stone starts off talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Sierra Club versus Mineral King Valley case, but

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<v Speaker 1>like most big legal arguments, Stones article made a very

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<v Speaker 1>general claim, a legal innovation. He argued that trees and

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<v Speaker 1>any other part of the natural world should have standing

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<v Speaker 1>in courts of law as persons. After all, a corporation

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<v Speaker 1>can be a person, so can a ship. So can

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<v Speaker 1>your dog. If you leave your dog, your estate and

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<v Speaker 1>your will, why not trees and valleys and rivers and streams.

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<v Speaker 1>Stone didn't want humans to protect the environment. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the environment itself to bear rights. He knew this might

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<v Speaker 1>strike some people as a nutty idea, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>felt the time had come for big, bold ideas because

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<v Speaker 1>of how bad he thought things would be in fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years time. There's a part of his article where he

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<v Speaker 1>writes about that, and I find it uncanny, having been

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<v Speaker 1>written in nineteen seventy two. He wrote, scientists have been

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<v Speaker 1>warning of the crisis the Earth and all humans on

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<v Speaker 1>its face. If we do not change our ways radically,

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth's very atmosphere is threatened with frightening possibilities. Absorption

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<v Speaker 1>of sunlight, upon which the entire life cycle depends may

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<v Speaker 1>be diminished. The oceans may warm, increasing the greenhouse effect

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<v Speaker 1>of the atmosphere, melting the polar ice cap and destroying

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<v Speaker 1>our great coastal cities. Stone rushed a copy of his

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<v Speaker 1>article to the Supreme Court, which was slated to decide

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<v Speaker 1>the Sierra Club case, to decide, to begin with, whether

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<v Speaker 1>the club had standing to try to block Walt Disney

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<v Speaker 1>Company from chopping down a forest. Now sort of by

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<v Speaker 1>one of those weird coincidences in the world. Write it

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<v Speaker 1>about that time. Early in nineteen seventy two, Doctor Seus's

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<v Speaker 1>book The Lorax was broadcast on television. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon about a creature who lives in the woods is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to stop a lumber company from raising the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>I speaking for the trees. Let him grow, Let him grow.

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<v Speaker 1>But nobody listens too much, don't you know, No, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't listen too much. Weeks after The Lorax was broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>on TV, the Supreme Court handed down its decision in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Sierra Club versus Mineral King Valley, issuing

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<v Speaker 1>a ruling in favor of the Walt Disney Company. Justice

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<v Speaker 1>William O. Douglas wrote in a descent that if a

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<v Speaker 1>ship can be a person under the law, so it

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<v Speaker 1>should be as respects valleys, alpine meadows, rivers, lakes, estuaries, beeches, ridges,

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<v Speaker 1>groves of trees, swampland or even air. In a footnote,

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<v Speaker 1>he cited stones article should trees have standing? But Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas said, but why not just essentially fall a stone's

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<v Speaker 1>physician and let the mineral king be the plaintiff lest

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<v Speaker 1>should be called mineral king against partner of interior. People

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea that we should be speaking for nature,

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<v Speaker 1>that nature should have its own voice. People did like

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<v Speaker 1>that idea. So imagine what if Douglas's opinion had been

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<v Speaker 1>not the dissenting opinion of the Supreme Court, but the

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<v Speaker 1>majority opinion of the Supreme Court. What might have happened next?

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that with this incredibly huge legal victory, environmentalists had

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<v Speaker 1>decided to really fight for an environmental rights amendment, not

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<v Speaker 1>the one gay Lord Nelson had proposed in nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine they'd propose something much much bolder. I mean, imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>really imagine. Imagine that this crazy, bold constitutional amendment had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten ratified in nineteen seventy two. What if today, in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, we were marking the fiftieth anniversary of

0:19:24.836 --> 0:19:29.396
<v Speaker 1>that environmental rights amendment. To imagine that, I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>take you to a place I've never taken anyone before,

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<v Speaker 1>to the last archives fiction annex. Imagine that in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, Christopher Stone and his students at USC Law

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<v Speaker 1>School had drafted a new constitutional amendment. Found a way

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<v Speaker 1>for the law to listen to the trees. Article one,

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<v Speaker 1>All legislative powers shall be vested in a Congress of

0:19:58.636 --> 0:20:02.556
<v Speaker 1>the United States, which shall consist of a Senate, a

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<v Speaker 1>House of Representatives, and a Chamber of Nature. The Chamber

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<v Speaker 1>of Nature better known as the tree branch. Imagine this

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<v Speaker 1>thing was ratified by a majority of states, and to

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<v Speaker 1>help spread the news, Schoolhouse Rock made a song about

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<v Speaker 1>it so the kids would know, Treehouse Rock. The Chamber

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<v Speaker 1>of Nature shall be composed of members has chosen every

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<v Speaker 1>fourth year by the people of several states. Representation in

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<v Speaker 1>the Chamber shall be abortion among the several states according

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<v Speaker 1>to the number of trees in the state relative to

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<v Speaker 1>the number of trees in state prison at the time

0:21:00.076 --> 0:21:06.356
<v Speaker 1>of the state entered the Union. Catch you right, But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that a portion ofment in Congress should be

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<v Speaker 1>done by counting people that had been a new idea

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<v Speaker 1>in seventeen eighty seven when the Constitution was written. There'd

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<v Speaker 1>been other ideas at the time. They could have calculated

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<v Speaker 1>representation by square miles or by taxable income. Why not trees?

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine the people making this argument were very smart. They

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<v Speaker 1>argued it very well. They brought out the best evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Rallies were held today in all the countries. National parks activists,

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<v Speaker 1>citing recent reports by the US Forestry Department, explained the

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<v Speaker 1>ability of trees to counter and even reverse them the

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<v Speaker 1>line effects of pollution. This amendment would have meant that

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<v Speaker 1>not only did nature have standing in courts the way

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<v Speaker 1>the Sierra case would have ruled, but that nature, at

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<v Speaker 1>least by proxy, had a voice in government that if

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<v Speaker 1>a state was going to lose vegetation, it would lose votes.

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<v Speaker 1>In Washington, the annual County of the Trees has begun.

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<v Speaker 1>This new forest census is to take place every July.

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<v Speaker 1>It follows this springs frenzy. At some eight million trees

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<v Speaker 1>were planted in April alone. The public awaits the results

0:22:14.396 --> 0:22:17.876
<v Speaker 1>of this first census with bated breath, as states by

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<v Speaker 1>for representation in the new so called tree Branch. A

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<v Speaker 1>chamber of Nature would have made protecting the environment not

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<v Speaker 1>something subject to the competing interests of different people, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead subject to the interests of nature itself. Interesting, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>How in our imaginary world could such a thing come about?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the easy part to imagine. First, Nixon, the environmental president,

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<v Speaker 1>gets behind it. I can almost hear him offering his endorsement.

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<v Speaker 1>By our decision, we will demonstrate the kind of people

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<v Speaker 1>we are and the kind of country we will be kind.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I've charted the course I have laid out tonight. Admittedly,

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<v Speaker 1>the debating Congress would have been crazy, the timber trade

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<v Speaker 1>against it builders, developers, the construction industry, no way, but

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<v Speaker 1>in favor a lot of ordinary people and business interests

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<v Speaker 1>that wanted to stay on the right side of the

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<v Speaker 1>rising environmental movement. The whole of DC would have been

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<v Speaker 1>one giant environmental rally and counter rally for weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it could have all happened so quickly twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>the Environmental Rights Amendment might have passed Congress and gone

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<v Speaker 1>to the states. And imagine this. Imagine that the last

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<v Speaker 1>state needed ratified the amendment in nineteen seventy two. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that the federal government had become answerable to nature a

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<v Speaker 1>half century ago. This week, mining companies are lobbying the

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<v Speaker 1>Chamber of Nature seeking exemption from bands on fracking. But

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<v Speaker 1>the tree branch so far appears to be holding firm. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm locking up the annex again because this, all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>none of it happened. What happened instead? After the break,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no environmental rights Amendment to the US Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not today in twenty twenty two, celebrating the

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary of its ratification. It was never ratified. It

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<v Speaker 1>was never even written. A lot of other things, though,

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<v Speaker 1>did happen in the early nineteen seventies, with Richard Nixon's

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<v Speaker 1>full support the EPA, the Clean Water Act, the Clean

0:24:35.836 --> 0:24:40.956
<v Speaker 1>Air Act. Still, the environmental movement never really trusted Nixon. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it spurned him. As Dan Rather reported several weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the White House invited the Nice Stool organizers a birthday

0:24:48.316 --> 0:24:51.796
<v Speaker 1>to drop by for a chat. They refused. On that

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<v Speaker 1>first Earth Day in nineteen seventy, Nixon and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>Pat planted a tree in the White House lawn and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Pretty soon Nixon was embroiled in the Watergate scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>The leaders of the environmental movement white middle class college

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<v Speaker 1>students and young people, or pretty squarely anti Nixon for

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of reasons, and they didn't ever really seek

0:25:13.996 --> 0:25:16.796
<v Speaker 1>his support, so it's hard to know how much he

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<v Speaker 1>might have given. In the end, the establishment business leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>the silent majority oppose the environmental movement. If you look

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<v Speaker 1>at TV footage on Earth Day or listen to it,

0:25:28.836 --> 0:25:32.076
<v Speaker 1>it looked and sounded pretty much like woodstock. And as

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<v Speaker 1>for what civil rights activists thought about it all merely

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<v Speaker 1>Evers put it this way. I was asked by someone,

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<v Speaker 1>why is it that you think there are not too

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<v Speaker 1>many black people participating in Earth Week? In Earth Day,

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<v Speaker 1>they're interested about the health of themselves and their children

0:25:54.796 --> 0:25:58.436
<v Speaker 1>when they are living in rat infested homes, about the

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<v Speaker 1>garbage that's piled up. CBS News spoke to civil rights

0:26:03.236 --> 0:26:07.236
<v Speaker 1>leader Herman Rice. He said, basically, we have bigger problems. See,

0:26:07.276 --> 0:26:09.076
<v Speaker 1>we still have hungry children to feed, and we still

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<v Speaker 1>will have houses to try to build. And I think

0:26:11.156 --> 0:26:15.036
<v Speaker 1>we're taking the emphasis off the beat up buildings and

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<v Speaker 1>the polluted streams that they're talking about. We've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>anyway but trout. I don't know if they're dying. We've

0:26:21.356 --> 0:26:23.676
<v Speaker 1>never seen that. I know, the rats of bike acue.

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Day, for all of its successes and its huge scale,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still had real limits. It's burned the establishment. It

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<v Speaker 1>was too white. And then in nineteen seventy three, the

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<v Speaker 1>gas crisis began, not just rising prices but in actual

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<v Speaker 1>shortage due to US foreign policy in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>and an embargo by OPEC, a consortium of oil producing

0:26:45.876 --> 0:26:48.516
<v Speaker 1>nations in the Persian Gulf. Here's a clip from a

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<v Speaker 1>special NBC News did about the crisis. There's almost unanimous

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<v Speaker 1>agreement among the experts that the crisis is real, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's been creeping up on us for about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years now, and that it's getting worse each day as

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<v Speaker 1>we continue to use up our precious supplies of oil, coal,

0:27:04.996 --> 0:27:08.596
<v Speaker 1>and gas. And by the nineteen eighties, the fossil fuel

0:27:08.636 --> 0:27:13.876
<v Speaker 1>industry was already organizing itself around an extraordinary project, undermining

0:27:13.876 --> 0:27:18.076
<v Speaker 1>the science and promoting oil and oil companies as good

0:27:18.076 --> 0:27:22.036
<v Speaker 1>for the environment. Climate change, pollution not real, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least not relevant. Exon BP and DuPont great

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<v Speaker 1>for the environment. Recently, DuPont announced that its energy unit, Conico,

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<v Speaker 1>would and hear the use of new doubleholed oil tankers

0:27:35.476 --> 0:27:37.956
<v Speaker 1>in order to see if guard the environment. And the

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<v Speaker 1>response has been foodfully blamingly positive, better things for better living.

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<v Speaker 1>And as for what happened after that, you probably know

0:27:52.276 --> 0:27:56.876
<v Speaker 1>what happened next. Rising temperatures, the increasing severity of storms,

0:27:57.036 --> 0:28:00.516
<v Speaker 1>the forest fires. Why even bother thinking about whether it

0:28:00.716 --> 0:28:05.036
<v Speaker 1>could have gone another way? No one proposed tree branch.

0:28:05.916 --> 0:28:09.356
<v Speaker 1>That is my own cockamamie idea. But why is it

0:28:09.396 --> 0:28:13.076
<v Speaker 1>a cochomamy idea? What if it could have worked? What

0:28:13.196 --> 0:28:15.356
<v Speaker 1>would have happened if we'd had a third branch of

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<v Speaker 1>the legislature in which representation was proportionate not to people

0:28:18.876 --> 0:28:21.756
<v Speaker 1>but to trees. States would have had a huge incentive

0:28:21.836 --> 0:28:24.036
<v Speaker 1>not to cut down forests, certainly not to cut them

0:28:24.036 --> 0:28:27.996
<v Speaker 1>down without planting new ones. Urban forestry would have grown.

0:28:28.476 --> 0:28:31.596
<v Speaker 1>Cities would have planted more trees. Suburbs would have provided

0:28:31.596 --> 0:28:35.876
<v Speaker 1>incentives to homeowners to plant groves instead of lawns. More

0:28:35.956 --> 0:28:40.196
<v Speaker 1>carbon would have been sequestered. Okay, and obviously that is oversimplifying.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of other messy stuff would have happened too.

0:28:43.236 --> 0:28:46.956
<v Speaker 1>But I've been thinking this last archive season of Solutions

0:28:46.996 --> 0:28:51.356
<v Speaker 1>about the US Constitution and its brittleness. Given the polarization

0:28:51.396 --> 0:28:54.876
<v Speaker 1>of American politics since the nineteen seventies, it is now

0:28:54.916 --> 0:29:00.836
<v Speaker 1>effectively impossible to amend the Constitution. But what if it weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Could what I have imagined really have happened in the

0:29:03.876 --> 0:29:07.956
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies. I decided to ask world renowned environmental activists

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<v Speaker 1>Bill mckibbon, we talked about that first Earth Day in

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<v Speaker 1>which one in ten Americans took part the watershed of

0:29:14.796 --> 0:29:19.756
<v Speaker 1>the environmental movement, probably the biggest protest in the history

0:29:19.756 --> 0:29:22.476
<v Speaker 1>of the country. And it wins most of the things

0:29:22.516 --> 0:29:25.756
<v Speaker 1>that it's asking for right away. You know, the Clean

0:29:25.796 --> 0:29:28.996
<v Speaker 1>Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act,

0:29:29.316 --> 0:29:32.596
<v Speaker 1>and the air starts to get cleaner quickly, and all

0:29:32.636 --> 0:29:35.036
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you can swim in lakes and streams

0:29:35.036 --> 0:29:38.396
<v Speaker 1>that were catching on fire, you know, a few years before,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it's Nixon's White House. Nixon is signing all

0:29:41.116 --> 0:29:43.596
<v Speaker 1>these bills, and he says the seventies are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the environmental secade. And this was proofed by the

0:29:47.156 --> 0:29:50.636
<v Speaker 1>way of the power of that movement because Nixon literally

0:29:50.676 --> 0:29:53.756
<v Speaker 1>had not an environmental bonus. We know from listening to

0:29:53.756 --> 0:29:56.916
<v Speaker 1>the tapes now that he thought they were all smelly hippies.

0:29:57.356 --> 0:29:59.956
<v Speaker 1>But he had no choice. I mean, for four or

0:29:59.996 --> 0:30:02.996
<v Speaker 1>five years, if you put the word environment in the

0:30:02.996 --> 0:30:06.596
<v Speaker 1>title of a bill, it passed. And these were huge,

0:30:06.756 --> 0:30:09.796
<v Speaker 1>you know, big things. They're still those, I mean, the

0:30:09.836 --> 0:30:13.556
<v Speaker 1>only legislation had ever really passed about this stuff and

0:30:13.596 --> 0:30:15.836
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that we still rely on when we try

0:30:15.836 --> 0:30:19.356
<v Speaker 1>to fight nplians and stuff. All passed in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three and was signed by Richard Nixon. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>true until a few months after I talked to mckibbon,

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<v Speaker 1>Biden signed the first major climate legislation. It did a lot,

0:30:30.756 --> 0:30:35.956
<v Speaker 1>it did nowhere near enough. Mckibbon says, in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Day was in a way a victim of its

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<v Speaker 1>own success. Had won the easy things, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to win the hard ones. Environmentalism stopped being

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<v Speaker 1>very early on a mass movement because it was so

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<v Speaker 1>successful after Earthday nineteen seventy or within a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody had left the streets because they were winning every

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<v Speaker 1>bill they put forward in Congress, every court decision, whatever,

0:31:04.756 --> 0:31:07.716
<v Speaker 1>and which was great. It was working until it wasn't,

0:31:08.156 --> 0:31:13.636
<v Speaker 1>and the other side fought back very hard. So the

0:31:13.756 --> 0:31:18.276
<v Speaker 1>environmental movement moves off the streets and into big institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just not prepared either for the strength of

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<v Speaker 1>the opposition or for the magnitude of the problem. And

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is that the things that were addressing are

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<v Speaker 1>the easy things. It turns out they're the problems when

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<v Speaker 1>something goes a little wrong, like you don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>right filter on your smoke stack or your car or whatever.

0:31:40.556 --> 0:31:44.876
<v Speaker 1>And you can fix them by putting a catalytic converter

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<v Speaker 1>in or a scrubber in your smoke stack. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it costs a little money, but it's not the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. And once you do that, you've made

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary progress. In fact, the pollution that you can see

0:31:56.836 --> 0:32:01.556
<v Speaker 1>with your eyes begins to disappear. So, having solved this

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<v Speaker 1>one set of things, but without making fundamental shifts in

0:32:06.356 --> 0:32:09.796
<v Speaker 1>how we ran the world, we were setting ourselves up

0:32:09.836 --> 0:32:13.516
<v Speaker 1>for much, much deeper trouble. We didn't know about climate

0:32:13.596 --> 0:32:17.796
<v Speaker 1>change yet, but we were beginning to sense that it

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<v Speaker 1>was coming. More to the point, it was clear that

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<v Speaker 1>relying on oil had all kinds of pitfalls. Kibbin had

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<v Speaker 1>a different counterfactual from my whole tree branch thing, another

0:32:29.956 --> 0:32:35.476
<v Speaker 1>near miss, maybe nearly as consequential as my counterfactual. His

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<v Speaker 1>counterfactual was what if Jimmy Carter had succeeded in steering

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<v Speaker 1>the country towards solar power and away from oil. If

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<v Speaker 1>we had turned away from it in the nineteen seventies

0:32:48.236 --> 0:32:51.356
<v Speaker 1>done what Carter wanted to do and made this all

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<v Speaker 1>out commitment to solar power. Well, we would have not solved,

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<v Speaker 1>but addressed in a fundamental way what now has become

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<v Speaker 1>the single existential challenge on planet Earth. So tell me

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about what Carter was and what happened

0:33:10.076 --> 0:33:14.396
<v Speaker 1>to Carter's proposals. So his main message about how we're

0:33:14.396 --> 0:33:19.996
<v Speaker 1>going to combat this problem is a conservation and there's

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<v Speaker 1>you know there he puts on the sweater and gives

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<v Speaker 1>the talk from the White House with the temperature thermostat

0:33:26.956 --> 0:33:30.356
<v Speaker 1>turned down. And the other thing he's doing is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to figure out ways to power ourselves that

0:33:34.836 --> 0:33:39.756
<v Speaker 1>aren't reliant on fossil fuel opeque the rest of the

0:33:39.756 --> 0:33:43.196
<v Speaker 1>world today and directly harnessing the power of the sun.

0:33:43.276 --> 0:33:46.356
<v Speaker 1>We are taking the energy that God gave us and

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<v Speaker 1>using it to replace our dwindling supplies of fossil fuels.

0:33:50.916 --> 0:33:55.076
<v Speaker 1>And yet that didn't happen. Carter productive solar panels, made

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<v Speaker 1>that plan, and then Reagan defeated him in nineteen eighty

0:33:58.516 --> 0:34:01.476
<v Speaker 1>and then Regan took down those solar panels and scrapped

0:34:01.476 --> 0:34:04.996
<v Speaker 1>that plan. Carter put on a sweater, Reagan said, turn

0:34:05.076 --> 0:34:08.716
<v Speaker 1>up the thermostat. This is America. So this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of these rare like counterfactual history things where it's pretty

0:34:12.756 --> 0:34:14.956
<v Speaker 1>easy to play out what would happen if you'd actually

0:34:14.956 --> 0:34:17.476
<v Speaker 1>done it, you know, if we'd done that, if we'd

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<v Speaker 1>made a serious governmental commitment to doing this, There's there

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<v Speaker 1>was no physical or technological obstacle that would have kept

0:34:24.996 --> 0:34:28.956
<v Speaker 1>us from developing cheap solar energy in the nineteen eighties

0:34:28.956 --> 0:34:32.276
<v Speaker 1>and nineteen nineties instead of in the twenty tenths, which

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<v Speaker 1>is when we finally did. You know, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been the greatest of gifts to the whole world to

0:34:37.956 --> 0:34:41.076
<v Speaker 1>have done this thirty years earlier. Well, we would have

0:34:41.076 --> 0:34:43.116
<v Speaker 1>been well on the way to knowing what to do

0:34:43.196 --> 0:34:45.796
<v Speaker 1>and how to deal with it. But of course we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do that. And just as I really can't say

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<v Speaker 1>what establishing a chamber of Nature would have meant, mckimn

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<v Speaker 1>can't be sure how far solar might have gone if

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<v Speaker 1>Carter had won re election in nineteen eighty and stayed

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<v Speaker 1>the course on solar power. It's still good to dream, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I told mckimn about our counterfactual the lorex, the tree

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<v Speaker 1>branch the whole nine yards. I wanted to see what

0:35:09.756 --> 0:35:15.316
<v Speaker 1>he thought about it. It's not a completely fanciful counter factual,

0:35:15.836 --> 0:35:18.676
<v Speaker 1>the idea that things might have broken very differently in

0:35:18.676 --> 0:35:21.316
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, and it may have been the last

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<v Speaker 1>chance for things to really break differently. Admittedly, the Chamber

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<v Speaker 1>of Nature is wacky calculating political representation by counting trees,

0:35:31.636 --> 0:35:34.516
<v Speaker 1>but as mckibbon pointed out, so is measuring the health

0:35:34.516 --> 0:35:38.116
<v Speaker 1>of a country with its GDP. It's gross domestic product.

0:35:38.836 --> 0:35:42.316
<v Speaker 1>I mean, governments count stuff. That's they're going to count something.

0:35:42.796 --> 0:35:46.916
<v Speaker 1>And if they were counting number of trees or number

0:35:46.956 --> 0:35:49.236
<v Speaker 1>of eagles or whatever it is, it would have led

0:35:49.236 --> 0:35:51.676
<v Speaker 1>to a whole different set of outcomes. Probably, But the

0:35:51.796 --> 0:35:54.716
<v Speaker 1>reason is because it would have shifted our sense of

0:35:54.756 --> 0:36:00.396
<v Speaker 1>what was important. Would it have worked the tree branch

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<v Speaker 1>political power based on trees? I expected out once using

0:36:05.876 --> 0:36:09.076
<v Speaker 1>Forest Service reports to calculate which dates would have benefit

0:36:09.196 --> 0:36:11.596
<v Speaker 1>it at the start, and how different states could have

0:36:11.636 --> 0:36:15.556
<v Speaker 1>benefited from the incentive to plant more trees save more forests.

0:36:16.436 --> 0:36:18.276
<v Speaker 1>What I came up with is that I think it

0:36:18.356 --> 0:36:22.236
<v Speaker 1>might have thwarted polarization because it's not the usual Red State,

0:36:22.316 --> 0:36:25.956
<v Speaker 1>Blue State divide. The season of the last Archive is

0:36:25.996 --> 0:36:30.356
<v Speaker 1>about fixes. Fixing the constitution is not really one of them.

0:36:30.476 --> 0:36:32.956
<v Speaker 1>What's the problem we're trying to fix here? It's not

0:36:32.996 --> 0:36:36.196
<v Speaker 1>a scarcity of information, a lack of knowledge, the absence

0:36:36.236 --> 0:36:39.876
<v Speaker 1>of proof. The evidence for climate change has been everywhere

0:36:39.916 --> 0:36:43.316
<v Speaker 1>for decades now. Every year the evidence has grown stronger,

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<v Speaker 1>and slowly, slowly, so did the environmental movement. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no planet by to have a lovable future. So what

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<v Speaker 1>are the climate change denihilists are? By now dead and dying?

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<v Speaker 1>Which should have been common knowledge in nineteen seventy two

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<v Speaker 1>is a half century later, undeniable, Dear representatives of the media.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen many scientific reports in my time, but nothing

0:37:16.316 --> 0:37:19.796
<v Speaker 1>like these. In twenty twenty two, a member of the IPCC,

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, reported that

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<v Speaker 1>any further delay in concerted global action will miss a

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<v Speaker 1>brief and rapidly closing window to secure a livable future.

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio Guteresh, head of the IPCC, underscored the point today's

0:37:38.116 --> 0:37:41.716
<v Speaker 1>IPCC report is a necklace of human suffering and the

0:37:41.836 --> 0:37:46.796
<v Speaker 1>damning indictment of failed climate leadership. With fact upon fact,

0:37:47.276 --> 0:37:50.236
<v Speaker 1>these reports reveals all people on the planet are getting

0:37:50.316 --> 0:37:55.076
<v Speaker 1>clobered by climate change. These abdication of leadership is criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted Season three to be upbeat, cheerful, good ideas solutions.

0:38:02.476 --> 0:38:05.956
<v Speaker 1>This abdication of leadership is criminal. But I do still

0:38:05.956 --> 0:38:08.316
<v Speaker 1>think if a window is now closing, there's much to

0:38:08.356 --> 0:38:11.436
<v Speaker 1>be learned by looking back through the clouded light of

0:38:11.516 --> 0:38:16.916
<v Speaker 1>other windows. I know people everywhere are anxious and angry.

0:38:17.356 --> 0:38:20.236
<v Speaker 1>I am too. Now is the time to turn rage

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<v Speaker 1>into action. Every fraction of their degree matters, every voice

0:38:23.836 --> 0:38:28.996
<v Speaker 1>can make a difference, and every second counts. Twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two was a year for real, genuine celebration, the first

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful climate legislation in the United States, and more than

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<v Speaker 1>a generation. It's gone a long way, but it hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gone far enough. I don't want my grandchildren to look

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<v Speaker 1>back at twenty twenty two the way I look back

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<v Speaker 1>at nineteen seventy two and say, oh my god, they

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<v Speaker 1>were so close. They did so much, They were so

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<v Speaker 1>close to doing what needed to be done. If only

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<v Speaker 1>they'd had a little bit more imagination. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have been close. Close is not enough. The last

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