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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you along with Stephen Bassett, the executive director of

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Speaker 1: the Paradigm Research Group. He founded in nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 1: to end a government imposed embargo on the truth behind

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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial related phenomena. He has spoken to audiences all around

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Speaker 1: governments of an extraterrestrial presence, and here he is on

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. A little bit later on in the program,

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Speaker 1: we're going to bring in an associate of Stevens as

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Speaker 1: well to talk about some incredible things they are working

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Speaker 1: on as a team. Stephen, welcome back, my friend. Hi George.

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Speaker 1: One day I want to talk to some audiences off planet.

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Speaker 1: You will do that. I'm sure you may be one

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Speaker 1: of the first. What did you think of that lead

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Speaker 1: in story that the US may be testing some Space

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Speaker 1: Force craft, But the US is always testing craft, including

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Speaker 1: crafting involved in space activities as part of the classified

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Speaker 1: space program. The new sexy name Space Force has kind

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Speaker 1: of given it up a little bit of panash. I'm

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Speaker 1: not clear whether anything new, truly new and dramatic is happening,

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Speaker 1: But I am glad that so much tension is being

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Speaker 1: paid to any story like that. The government, I think,

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, and that's a good thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've been at disclosure for gosh twenty some years now,

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Speaker 1: what got you into this field? Well, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: ask that, because there's something I wanted to sort of

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Speaker 1: lot of new people that are joining your show every year,

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Speaker 1: and many of them may not be that familiar with

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Speaker 1: the history of this issue, particularly the political side of it.

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Speaker 1: And what I wanted to mention was this that Coast

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Speaker 1: has played an extremely important role in disclosure activist movement,

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Speaker 1: and I hope I don't want your listeners to know that.

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Speaker 1: It goes back to the mid nineties or the nineties

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Speaker 1: and so he moved into a new genre, late night,

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Speaker 1: the paranormal. I don't use paranormal. I think everything in

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Speaker 1: But about that time, about ninety six ninety seven, the

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Speaker 1: political approach to this was starting to shape up, taking form.

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Speaker 1: I entered the field in July of nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Gird already been up in the hill with a

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Speaker 1: lot of meetings and for several years at that point,

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Speaker 1: and the things were shifting. And the reason that I

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Speaker 1: I came to a conclusion. I've mentioned many times on

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Speaker 1: your show that the problem with this resolving this issue

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Speaker 1: is not science. We've had plenty of science confirming et

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Speaker 1: presence for a long time. The problem is political. The

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Speaker 1: So it's it's out lawed, it's embargoed. Nope, people can't

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Speaker 1: But I remember that day and twenty three years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd been key to the phenomenology bringing untold researchers on.

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Speaker 1: God yes to the politics because this is a political problem. Gee,

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Speaker 1: And we got to end this embargo, and hopefully it

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Speaker 1: will happen soon. Now, the late Edgar Mitchell, we've lost him.

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Speaker 1: we with that? With these losses? Every field, every issue,

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