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Speaker 1: With us we have Hey, everybody, what's up? It's Vanessa Marshall,

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Speaker 5: It's Johny Brody, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the Pot

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Speaker 5: of Rebellion. And today we are going over season two,

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Speaker 5: episode seven, Wings of the Master. Here we go or

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Speaker 5: hang on before we jump in, how is everybody doing?

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Speaker 5: As always we like to do our check in. This

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I hope everyone that's listening is also

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Speaker 2: We're talking about melching and his beautiful writing. I would

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Speaker 2: also just say that the like jabs in this episode

439
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Speaker 2: really great. There's like a lot of crazy stuff happening,

440
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Speaker 2: and yet you know, like right out the gate, like

441
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Speaker 2: at the very top of the show or this episode rather,

442
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: there's like high drama, quite a bit of violence, I

443
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Speaker 2: would say, an unusual amount of like what we get

444
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Speaker 2: to see. And then what is Freddy said, I mean,

445
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: sorry Kanaan say. He says like, well, you're both co

446
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: irritating me right now or whatever, like copilot, I'm co pilot,

447
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: tell him I'm co pilot.

448
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Speaker 1: He says, well, you're co irritating me. I don't know.

449
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Speaker 1: I thought that was very funny.

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Speaker 2: And then like the dissent when you're trying to land

451
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Speaker 2: the thing on the on the whatever that's called rickety,

452
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Speaker 2: Like what is that called landing strip. Everyone's got jokes.

453
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Speaker 2: I just think it's like delightful. It's just a fun

454
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Speaker 2: It's just fun. It's just fun.

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Speaker 1: Watching, don't I don't know?

456
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Speaker 2: And by sorry, I meant to say this earlier, but

457
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Speaker 2: then I didn't want to interrupt you. Corey Burton is

458
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Speaker 2: so good as fish yet well that amount of fish.

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Speaker 1: It's a mon calamari? Did I do it right? Although

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Speaker 1: I do have a question Calamari calamari are not fish?

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Speaker 7: Calm is this.

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Speaker 3: Way it's a I mean it's just quid.

463
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I actually have a question.

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Speaker 9: For often do they do that in Star Wars like

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Speaker 9: call you know, a thing another thing squid at calamari?

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Speaker 1: Well, or just like.

467
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Speaker 2: Use words that exist, right, that's not that's that's.

468
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Speaker 4: Like you could call Sabine klamari and you'd be like, oh,

469
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Speaker 4: it's just a fun name. But if.

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Speaker 2: That's it's on the nose, it's really on I was

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Speaker 2: gonna ask jac or any of you guys.

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Speaker 1: When hold on.

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Speaker 2: Oh who says does Harris say he's been out of

474
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Speaker 2: the water too long?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, sorry sorry, Zeb says he's been out of

477
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Speaker 2: the water too long? Are mon Calamari like sea creatures.

478
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Speaker 2: I'm confused.

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Speaker 1: I believe their planet is underwater. I don't. I don't

480
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Speaker 1: know that they are. I think they can do well

481
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Speaker 1: in either place. I don't think I think he's being facetiously.

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Speaker 1: That guy's been off the Yeah, oh I just okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

484
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Speaker 3: Amphibious humanoid, their aquatic.

485
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Speaker 2: Species, aquatic species. Okay, thank you?

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Speaker 1: All right?

487
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Speaker 2: Oh oh, sorry not to make this about oh oh sorry, sorry,

488
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: too many thoughts.

489
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Speaker 1: I loved this episode. I ha took a million notes.

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Speaker 2: The other question I had for JC or any of

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Speaker 2: the three of you, so what did tarodactyl thingies on

492
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Speaker 2: this planet?

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Speaker 1: That's got to be for I don't want something to do.

494
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Speaker 5: Don't steal this thunder this time. I know you know it,

495
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Speaker 5: but can you get take it easy?

496
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Speaker 3: I know, come let I'll let the be squad in ow.

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Speaker 1: I was just.

498
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Speaker 2: I had completely forgotten that this this quote that is

499
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Speaker 2: by far my most asked for, most requested quote to

500
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Speaker 2: sign to autograph for folks when I meet people in

501
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Speaker 2: real life, it is from this episode.

502
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Speaker 1: So when I when Sabine says it, I was like, oh,

503
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Speaker 1: that's that's what it's from. I had completely forgotten. It's

504
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Speaker 1: never it's never get.

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Speaker 2: Between a Mandalorian and a weapons package.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I wrote that down too. I love it

507
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Speaker 8: so much.

508
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Speaker 2: I had just forgotten where and when she I said it,

509
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Speaker 2: and so I was. I was thrilled when it happens

510
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Speaker 2: in this episode.

511
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Cory's just hearing it from everybody because zeb wants

512
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: to throw him over. And then he's like, he's telling

513
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 5: you not to tell You're like no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: He's like this sweet, curmudgeonly old grandpa type and I

515
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: don't know, like a kooky cookie grand uncle, crazy, mad

516
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Speaker 2: scientist kind of guy.

517
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

518
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he almost looks like mister Feenie from this World. Yes,

519
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: that's what I kept thinking of. But he kind of

520
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 5: talks like the caterpillar from Elison one and then you.

521
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Speaker 8: And then that.

522
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Speaker 3: At the same time, he looks like dinner Tomorrow night.

523
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Speaker 5: It was like the caterpillar from else in Wonderland and

524
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Speaker 5: and she woke the little Gnome and neverending story like.

525
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Speaker 8: Well he's awake now, Yeah, that's what he had. All

526
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Speaker 8: those It was like an amalgamation of all those yas.

527
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Speaker 1: Wow, John, your brain is a wonderful place. And you are.

528
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna deem you the King of references because you

529
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Speaker 2: reference stuff and I'm like, oh, yes, exactly, which is

530
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Speaker 2: why I was just like squealing. Sorry, that was probably

531
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Speaker 2: really loud, Jacon. Maybe you can turn my voice.

532
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Speaker 1: Down for the listeners at home.

533
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all of those completely accurate, and some mishmash

534
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: of all of those characters in this guy.

535
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Speaker 1: But he's adorable. Dare I say adorable.

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Speaker 8: He's mister Feenie.

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Speaker 5: We're like Phoene, Like you want to do the Phoenie

538
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: call with your buddy Will coined Vanessa.

539
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Speaker 8: That's right? What means the world? So real quick?

540
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Speaker 5: This is my contribution to fact checking, and JC can

541
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Speaker 5: film a lot of the blanks here. But it's funny

542
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Speaker 5: that this is technically, I think, the first canonical explanation

543
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Speaker 5: of where the bee wing came from. But so you

544
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Speaker 5: mentioned a critical role is fittingly enough in US, and

545
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Speaker 5: I do feel like this is how Kismeth this episode

546
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Speaker 5: is because a lot of the references are to the

547
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Speaker 5: original Star Wars role playing game, which I owned. I

548
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: still have all the source books at my mom's house

549
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 5: from this little company called West End Game, so any

550
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Speaker 5: of our or maybe older listeners. I may be earning

551
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Speaker 5: some street cred with you all, because I know a

552
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: lot of people knew West End games and there was

553
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Speaker 5: a source book that had this very brief backstory on

554
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Speaker 5: the B Wing and it was basically like Admiral Akbar

555
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: was the one that like said we had to craft

556
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Speaker 5: some sort of starship to go against the Empire's big weapon,

557
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Speaker 5: and that was kind of like an unofficial backstory. I

558
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Speaker 5: think that's considered legends continuity, which again JC, he'll fill

559
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Speaker 5: in those blanks. So that's what I knew as the

560
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Speaker 5: B Wing backstory. And but I just feel like it's

561
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: so fitting that even something like Shantapol. There was something

562
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Speaker 5: called like Mission Chantafl or Project Shantapole. It was an

563
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Speaker 5: adventure book which I had that as well as part

564
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Speaker 5: of the role playing game. And all these nods from Chantapol,

565
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Speaker 5: and I believe Corey is a nod to Ralph McCrory

566
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Speaker 5: because of the way they spell it. But the fact

567
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Speaker 5: that you had this Monk Calamari inventor, that's a nod

568
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Speaker 5: to Acbar because Acbar technically originally was the one who

569
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Speaker 5: said we got to build the B Wing. So I

570
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Speaker 5: know that history lesson is a little all over the place,

571
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Speaker 5: but that's what I knew as the B Wing backstory.

572
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Speaker 5: But then when I saw this, I'm like, oh, that's

573
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Speaker 5: way better. And this is the first time I ever

574
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Speaker 5: heard it referred to as the blade wing because I

575
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Speaker 5: was always as a kid, I was like, why is

576
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Speaker 5: it called the B wing? It looks like a lowercase T, Like,

577
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Speaker 5: shouldn't it be a T wing? Like because it's like

578
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Speaker 5: when I looked at it was like, it looks like

579
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Speaker 5: a T wing And.

580
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Speaker 1: Then wing stands for blade wing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because it comes through right now. It's like the

582
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Speaker 5: Ginsu knife of the star Fleet. You know, it can

583
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Speaker 5: cut through a tree trunk and also the empire is Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So that that's my contribution to the fact check portion,

585
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Speaker 5: which again JC can fill in all the other blanks

586
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Speaker 5: and uh, maybe correct me if I got anything a

587
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Speaker 5: little bit wrong. But that's what I knew as the

588
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Speaker 5: community and Vinessa. I know how much you love RPGs.

589
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: So the fact that this backstory and Hara is the

590
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 5: canonical backstory, but it also has roots in the Star

591
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Speaker 5: Wars role playing game from nineteen eighty seven, I think

592
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Speaker 5: that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I cool love that. I have a couple other things

594
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Speaker 1: that I wrote down that I don't remember in our recording.

595
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Speaker 1: I was very impressed with our three point five coming in,

596
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Speaker 1: you know, like I was like, my goodness, we committed

597
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Speaker 1: to the bit. Like there were a lot of you know,

598
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Speaker 1: screaming at Ezra, you know, get the two point nine.

599
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't like, as if I know what, I cannot

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Speaker 1: believe that I said those things with such efficient. Really

601
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Speaker 1: blown away by that, Taylor, were you remembering that we

602
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Speaker 1: were yelling like that or not at all?

603
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Speaker 9: I feel like that no, no A, make some stuff up.

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Speaker 9: No No, I thought that that we always did that

605
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Speaker 9: when we gave orders.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do remember Dave Filoni saying that this he

607
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Speaker 1: wanted to show that things have gotten way worse for us,

608
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Speaker 1: Like we lose a ship, you know, the stakes are higher,

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Speaker 1: and like I remember when we had our sort of

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Speaker 1: huddle before the record, I remember him saying, like, this

611
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: episode will indicate just how much better you've gotten and

612
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: how much worse it's gotten for you simultaneously, and that

613
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Speaker 1: you need to fight even harder. And so I don't

614
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Speaker 1: think we've ever had that level of a threat. I

615
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: just felt like it was a more frenetic. Well, I

616
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Speaker 1: felt Harra was freaking out, especially when the ship was lost.

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00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: She was sort of waffling and feeling guilty that she

618
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Speaker 1: didn't save the ship, and oh, I can't go to

619
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Speaker 1: the you know, the new I can't go to Quarry

620
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Speaker 1: because I need I need to fight with you and

621
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Speaker 1: protect you because I did such a bad job that

622
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Speaker 1: day or whatever it is. It just felt like, oh,

623
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Speaker 1: I do remember him saying it got worse, and it

624
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: definitely felt worse and worse than I remembered. But I

625
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Speaker 1: don't know. But I also love the quips of like

626
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Speaker 1: your co yours hitting there. There were a number of

627
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Speaker 1: really funny things back and forth, even amidst in the

628
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Speaker 1: center of that tension. But anyway, yeah, on the.

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Speaker 2: Dec there was like back and forth amidst the yelling

630
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Speaker 2: and the you know, urgency, if we still found time

631
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Speaker 2: for jokes, which I love.

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Speaker 1: I think the moment at the end that really sort

633
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Speaker 1: of embodied all the feels for me as a Star

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Speaker 1: Wars fan, you know, as someone who loves flight, is

635
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: when Quarry says, oh, I built it, but you made

636
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: it sore, and then you know, she's presented with a

637
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Speaker 1: new title moving forward like that to me was just

638
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: that was really powerful for me personally, and I was

639
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: happy for the rest of us too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a really moving moment in

641
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Speaker 2: the show.

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00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and also fitting because Melching wrote it. But you

643
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Speaker 5: made it sore, Vanessa so and all, you made it

644
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 5: soort really, but you know that monologue. It's great on paper.

645
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Speaker 5: But yeah, as you know, a great scripts only give

646
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Speaker 5: me as good as the actor that can bring it

647
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Speaker 5: to life and breathe life into the character. Again, this

648
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: was just the combination of all the right things coming

649
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 5: together rather perfectly. I think this is to me, if

650
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 5: there's you know, you have television shows, there's always one

651
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Speaker 5: d latch on Dore, like with Game of Thrones, Red

652
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Speaker 5: Wedding Rans of Cashmere is always in the top five. Sure,

653
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Speaker 5: this to me is a top five. I would even

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Speaker 5: say for me personally, a top three episode. But I

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Speaker 5: not just for Star Wars Rebels, I think just all

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Speaker 5: of Star Wars in general, but also just television. This

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Speaker 5: is one of the best television episodes wow, that I've

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Speaker 5: ever seen, because it it checks off all the boxes

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Speaker 5: and it's just proof that no matter what the medium,

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Speaker 5: it starts with a great script and then you got

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Speaker 5: to have the right execution. So before we go to

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Speaker 5: fact check, there is one thing, because as you saw,

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Speaker 5: I mentioned The Rocketeer in my recap.

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Speaker 8: I mentioned that for two reasons.

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Speaker 5: One because that test flight sequence is very much like

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Speaker 5: the movie The Rocketeer, and JC you can fact checking

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Speaker 5: me on this. But one of jc's favorite movies is

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Speaker 5: also The Rocketeer, so that was also for JC. But

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Speaker 5: if you also notice the name of of Corey's droid

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Speaker 5: is BG. Now I believe that's a not that Bill George,

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Speaker 5: who is the designer, I think, the concept concept designer

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Speaker 5: of the B Wing. But the way it's spelled B

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Speaker 5: and G, it's spelled out like phonetically. In The Rocketeer,

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Speaker 5: he flies these planes called gbs. So I know that

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Speaker 5: JC has more information on this and he can go

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Speaker 5: much deeper into the Rocketeer lore. But I would bet

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Speaker 5: that Kevin Kiner did make a direct homage to the

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Speaker 5: Rocketeer score because the music is very, very similar. But

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Speaker 5: the whole BG and GB, yeah, I think maybe it's

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Speaker 5: a coincidence. But at the same time, he could have

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Speaker 5: just put the letters BG for Bill George, but he

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Speaker 5: spelled it out BG where it's GB for the airplanes

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Speaker 5: in the Rocketeer. So again, this episode has everything coming

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Speaker 5: together pretty much at the right time.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, you're amazing.

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Speaker 3: You're amazing.

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Speaker 5: We'll find out how amazing when we get to our

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Speaker 5: favorite part of the show, which is the fact check,

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Speaker 5: and that might all be moot. But JC, what do

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Speaker 5: you got for us?

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Speaker 7: Okay, John, you're completely wrong, all.

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Speaker 10: Right, figure are okay, let's uh, let's start with the Rocketeer. Okay, so, yes,

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Speaker 10: very much. The Rocketeer test flight music uh BG B

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Speaker 10: E E G E E is the flip of the

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Speaker 10: type of planes in The Rocketeer that they're flying at

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Speaker 10: the beginning of the show, how they make their money,

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Speaker 10: the kind of like a flying circus type thing. The

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Speaker 10: droid in the episode is BG DASH eight one. They

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Speaker 10: say it's a low thaal astromic droid, but typically a

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Speaker 10: droid like that with a rounded clear dome is an

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Speaker 10: R III unit, even though it's they don't they never

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Speaker 10: label it that in any like Rebels, lore or anything.

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Speaker 10: It is named after Bill George, who is the employee

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Speaker 10: at Industrial Lton Magic who designed the B Wing Starfighter.

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Speaker 10: He was hired by ILM in nineteen eighty one BG

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Speaker 10: eighty one. Also just connecting the Rocketeer back to this

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Speaker 10: a little bit. The Rocketeer was directed by Joe Johnston,

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Speaker 10: who is also one of the concept artists on Star

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Speaker 10: Wars and Empire Strikes Back and designed Boba Fet. So

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Speaker 10: between Boba Fet and the Rocketeer, I think it's safe

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Speaker 10: to say that Joe Johnston would be on Team Tia

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Speaker 10: in the Great Jetpack Lightsaber Wars of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: They need the votes, guys, they need the I think

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Speaker 3: we should throw a few more people on that scene.

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Speaker 1: We don't need your charity.

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Speaker 3: I think you do, just like another team I can

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Speaker 3: think of.

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Speaker 9: I'm not gonna say anything, but I really I don't

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Speaker 9: say an Oracle book.

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Speaker 3: All right on record, I.

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Speaker 1: Believe you're in the middle of saying something. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: going to please continue.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, fact check Taylor there, he's talking about arch

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Speaker 10: Manning not showing up this week.

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Speaker 7: Let's get onto uh ranking on the be Wing.

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Speaker 10: On the side of the be Wing it says prototype

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Speaker 10: six in or BESH, which so this is the sixth

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Speaker 10: prototype of the b Wing Starfighter. I'll go into a

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Speaker 10: little bit of the history of the b Wing which

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Speaker 10: John touched on. It is a from a West End

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Speaker 10: Games source book which is really really cool. There was

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Speaker 10: a research station on an asteroid that Admiral Akbar had

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Speaker 10: developed the b Wing on, and in the legends, it

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Speaker 10: was kind of a module that you would play within

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Speaker 10: the role playing game, so it had like parameters set

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Speaker 10: up and then your team had to navigate it, so

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Speaker 10: similar to like a like a D and D one

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Speaker 10: shot type of thing. And in that there was a

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Speaker 10: Imperial blockade that the b Wing punched through the blockade

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Speaker 10: at the end of that. So the very base level

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Speaker 10: foundation of this of this episode is awesome because for

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Speaker 10: somebody like me or somebody like John who grew up

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Speaker 10: with this lore in the dark Ages when there was

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Speaker 10: not a lot of Star Wars out there, they kind

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Speaker 10: of honored what we grew up with while adding a

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Speaker 10: lot of complexity to it and not overdoing it by

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Speaker 10: sticking Admiral Acbar and all the characters that you know

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Speaker 10: we see later directly into it. And that is also

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Speaker 10: the idea of kind of like the and we talked

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Speaker 10: about this a little bit, but like kind of the

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Speaker 10: Aliens of the Galaxy kind of join the rebellion.

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Speaker 7: Throughout the.

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Speaker 10: History of the Galactic Civil War because the Empire becomes

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Speaker 10: increasingly more xenophobic and implements their things. So it starts

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Speaker 10: to make sense that you see a species like the

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Speaker 10: Monkelmari using their brains and dedicating their resources to the

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Speaker 10: rebellion at this point. And then by the time the

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Speaker 10: be Wing finally gets into production, it does not show

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Speaker 10: up in episode four or five. The first time we

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Speaker 10: see it is Return of the Jedi. The West End

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Speaker 10: game source book was released in nineteen eighty eight. It

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Speaker 10: was called Strikeforce Shanton Pole, so Johnny were very close.

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Speaker 10: The description is a rebel group hidden in an Ashray

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Speaker 10: belt and led by Commander Akbar before he was an admiral,

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Speaker 10: has developed a prototype B Wing fighter. Up to six

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Speaker 10: Player characters are tasked with delivering a message to Acbar.

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Speaker 10: Then it Imperial forces attack the rebel base. Player characters

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Speaker 10: must stall the attack long enough for evacuation to proceed.

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Speaker 10: Then they must escort the B Wings fighters to the

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Speaker 10: Alliance high command before the Empire captures or destroys the project.

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Speaker 10: And let's see, we'll go into Mont Klamuri in a second.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 10: By the time the be Wing hit production in canonically

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Speaker 10: they got rid of kind of the super laser aspect

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Speaker 10: of it, which was the what they did where all

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Speaker 10: four of the lasers kind of converge like the Death

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Speaker 10: Star and shoot because they could never get it to

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Speaker 10: work right, which they kind of reference a little bit

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Speaker 10: in this that when Harod does it, she blows out

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Speaker 10: the hyperdrive for the spaceship. Apparently he was able to

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Speaker 10: fix that, poor Quarry. And then the other thing that's

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Speaker 10: in this bee Wing that's not in the bee Wings

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Speaker 10: once they go into production is we see sabine in

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Speaker 10: the tail of like a gunner station, and by the

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Speaker 10: time they hit their production run, that just becomes a cannon,

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Speaker 10: a laser cannon.

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Speaker 7: It is no longer.

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Speaker 10: Operable by a gun, a specific gunner. And let's see

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Speaker 10: the mon Kalamari. Yes, that is the name of the

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Speaker 10: species Tia. And just a little bit on that, Taylor,

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Speaker 10: you were like, oh, a squid, A squid, A squid.

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Speaker 10: There's an action figure that came out in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 10: three from Javis Palace. The name was Squidhead. Later on

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Speaker 10: they gave him the name of Tessik Tessek is a

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Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, I just lost it. I have so

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Speaker 10: much up here and I just lost it. They share

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Speaker 10: a plan with quarn corn is the name of the species.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. It was almost embarrassing.

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Speaker 10: The Quarns share the planet Monkelamari with the monkela Amari species.

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Speaker 10: It is a water world, so they are amphibious. They

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Speaker 10: can breathe air and underwater. And if you want to

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Speaker 10: see more on that, I believe it's the first two

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Speaker 10: episodes of Clone Wars season four. They go to Moncow

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Speaker 10: and kit Fisto. The Jedi Knight fights alongside a young

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Speaker 10: Admiral Akbar pre Admiral pre anything in that episode and

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Speaker 10: you watch them, I think battle the Quarns in that

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Speaker 10: in that episode for control of the planet. Super awesome

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Speaker 10: episode they did. They premiered those episodes at the Long

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Speaker 10: Beach Aquarium and had a blue carpet back when the Alamari.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, when they were released.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Pergle should mess around with them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe that's yeah.

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Speaker 10: They live on the dark side of Montkalmar exactly, the

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Speaker 10: Mahi Mahi side of Montcalmar. And then Tia, you had

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Speaker 10: asked about the pterodactyl things. They're called Dactylians. They're native

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Speaker 10: to the planet Utapao. You might not know the name Utapao,

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Speaker 10: but you do know the planet Utapau is where Obi

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Speaker 10: Wan Kenobi kills General Grievous and Star Wars episode three,

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Speaker 10: so they are native to that planet. But they show

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Speaker 10: up in several episodes of the Clone Wars and then

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Speaker 10: again on Chantapol in Star Wars Rebels.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 10: And then you guys talked about the beginning of the

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Speaker 10: episode doing the here they come or two marks at

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Speaker 10: point three five or whatever, which when you say that

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Speaker 10: two Marx is two tie fighters point three to five

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Speaker 10: is the the vector that Canaan is supposed to put

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Speaker 10: his name his gun at. That is very very much

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Speaker 10: the energy and everything of the rebel attack on the

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Speaker 10: Desk Star in Stars episode four, like gold Leader, and

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Speaker 10: that's like here they come, three marks at two ten.

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Speaker 10: So it's like very much like capturing that energy. And

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Speaker 10: I thought you guys all did a great job doing that,

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Speaker 10: even if you didn't know that's what you were emulating.

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Speaker 8: It's well, it's a fact now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you obviously know you're eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Think also I was today years old when I realized

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Speaker 2: that Corey is named after Ralph McCrory. You said it,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, all right, yes, yes, that makes

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Speaker 2: absolute sense.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, JC, did I interrupt?

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Speaker 7: You didn't me. That's all I get.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, that was excellent.

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