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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, good morning, good morning, good morning, happy Abby,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. That's right, you heard the man. This

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Speaker 2: is Project Nil Danny dba D. It's what I call

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Speaker 2: Dami de Berna Dimitz, who's the ad athletic director from

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Speaker 2: Penntrotter High School in Philadelphia. I'm Anthony Garganto of the Fellas.

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Speaker 2: See you hear me every week for a long time

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Speaker 2: on the network, and we come to you a lot

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Speaker 2: from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

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Speaker 3: And this is where we dive into that world of

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Speaker 3: Project Nil and everything that you might want to your

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Speaker 3: parent and.

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Speaker 2: Goes to youth sports, through high school sports and in

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Speaker 2: the college and the goal of nil.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Danny D.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Cause how are we doing over there?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, it'd be nice to have

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Speaker 2: a little sports. I mean, I enjoyed the Olympics. I

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Speaker 2: like the hockey, but it was it's been pretty barren

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Speaker 2: since the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I know, man, I know you're going through with no

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Speaker 4: football right now. I know it's a tough time of

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Speaker 4: year for you. I just want to make sure there's

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Speaker 4: a wellness check on you right now to make sure

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Speaker 4: he's doing okay.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that, brother. I need I need baseball to start,

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Speaker 2: Like that'll help me. Like once you know, we got

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Speaker 2: pictures of catchers. Wants to actually listen. I love college basketball,

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Speaker 2: and it's been a great college basketball season. But it's

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Speaker 2: like a hockey hiatus is going on other than the

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Speaker 2: Olympics and NBA All Star breaks.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of a weird.

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Speaker 1: Time through this next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: You know, once the weather breaks and you got a

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Speaker 2: little march man that's going on. I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: you're listen, you're on top of it. Who do you

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Speaker 2: You got a little bit of a dark horse that

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Speaker 2: you like?

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Speaker 3: Right now? They start to crystallize this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of parody right now.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, you know, obviously Arizona's been a juggernaut.

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Speaker 1: This year, but I don't know yet.

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Speaker 4: I gotta keep watching more. Like there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: really good teams. I like Michigan a lot. They're you know,

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Speaker 4: they're at the top, but they just bomb teams. Man,

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Speaker 4: So Michigan.

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Speaker 3: They just overwhelm you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, they're just they're so talented.

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Speaker 4: They're yeah, really well coached, like dude in North Carolina,

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Speaker 4: and you know they're good. I don't think they have it.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're good teams, but I don't think they

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Speaker 4: have it. You know, Houston's really they defend. They play

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Speaker 4: so hard, you know, they just beat you up. So

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Speaker 4: they're they're built for March.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I like Purdue's backcourt. I think they could kind of

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Speaker 4: write the ship a little bit. They were ranked early,

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Speaker 4: but they got some veterans over there. I like Purdue.

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Speaker 3: That's a good call.

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Speaker 2: They're in fact on Fox today at Iowa.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's that's a pretty good game.

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Speaker 2: Another good game that a Florida Kentucky is a good

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Speaker 2: one today. You know, I watched that Nebraska squad because

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Speaker 2: of my buddy Matt Ruhle. I do the show with

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Speaker 2: the football side, and they're a great story that the

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Speaker 2: Husker basketball team.

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Speaker 1: They're legit. I've watched them play, they're legit. I watched

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Speaker 1: the projects probably three or four times.

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Speaker 4: I've caught them this year, and you know, early on

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Speaker 4: they didn't have the greatest schedule, so I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know, wait and see they're competing really hard. They

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Speaker 4: have a great coach, freder Wiborg. Great coach. I love

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Speaker 4: that his kid and we'll get into it. Walk on

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Speaker 4: killing right, walked on to that theme today he's you know,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, really good, really good team. And uh it's good.

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Speaker 1: It's good basketball when these teams are kind of.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, great game for early one o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 2: ten Pacific is Iowa State in Kansas. Oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a great matchup. The Iowa State team is good.

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Speaker 1: Squad, very good. They're one of the favorites for sure.

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Speaker 4: They just they can do it in every you know,

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Speaker 3: So wh's that much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is surprise and Kansas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they think they're going to come off that big

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Speaker 4: win over Arizona. Maybe they come out a little flat.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but uh yeah it should be a

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Speaker 3: I want to Well, you're shorthanded and you win that game.

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Speaker 2: All right, So what let's dive into this thing. This

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Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting show today because we focus a

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Speaker 2: lot on the stars and we'll continue to do that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's something about the phenom that stirs the

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Speaker 2: the competitive juices like well, like who this next one?

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Speaker 2: The next great one? And it really stirs the imagination

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Speaker 2: when we think about players. But you know, these teams

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Speaker 2: and these programs are built on the other guy, right,

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Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about football, because football is truly

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Speaker 2: the sum of all parts.

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Speaker 3: And you know what's.

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Speaker 2: Going on with the walk on, what's going on with

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Speaker 2: you know, the grunt because you need to play football,

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Speaker 2: you need grunts. You need a lot of kids to play,

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Speaker 2: we always talk about the stars and all the bigil deals,

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Speaker 2: but what's truly the cost structure when you look at

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Speaker 2: these teams, when you look at these programs, who's really

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Speaker 4: It so it really depends on the institution and the

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Speaker 4: right Like I know, Ohio State kind of focuses on

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Speaker 4: the big thing is that a lot of listeners probably

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Speaker 4: the NCAA came in and cap rosters. So previously, you know,

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Speaker 4: there were still eighty five scholarships, there was no hard

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Speaker 1: To forty five walk on spots every year. That's huge.

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Speaker 4: Right now, we're currently at an area with you know,

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Speaker 4: not saying we're not saying we're going to go to

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Speaker 4: They're not doing that that I would have been, Okay,

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Speaker 4: and it's really hurting the walk on right, and it's

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Speaker 4: hurting across all sports. So across all NCAA sports, I

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Speaker 4: found this stat said projections tied to the new roster limits,

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Speaker 4: roughly about four thousand to five thousand athletic opportunities could

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Speaker 1: So just think about that.

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Speaker 4: That's for the high school kids right across all sports.

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Speaker 4: They're losing four to five thousand roster spots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's huge, huge, And.

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Speaker 4: You think about big time walk ons, I mean Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 4: one Division one offer was Wyoming, right, Clay Matthews walk on, stetson,

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Speaker 1: And with this new era, that's something that has bothered me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm all for the athletes getting paid, but

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Speaker 4: this is something that people don't know about.

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Speaker 2: It not the best of you know, the role player

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Speaker 2: it's it's really difficult to project kids right in U sports.

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Speaker 2: You know, we do it all the time with children,

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Speaker 3: Man, I see it. You know, I have two.

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Speaker 2: My Anthony's a sophomore in high school. I call him

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Speaker 2: So you got these kids that their bodies are changing rapidly,

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Speaker 2: and it happens all through high school and sometimes in college.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's different for everyone.

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Speaker 4: Like I was gonna say, I've seen it, you know,

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Speaker 4: being the high school ad for the last twelve years,

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Speaker 4: I've seen it happen, right, you see it every day time.

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Speaker 4: You see kids coming in eighth grade where they haven't

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Speaker 4: So it really happens different for everybody. And that's why

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Speaker 4: these spots were so important, right, because we allow this

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Speaker 4: but he came in at six'. Nine he hasn't grown

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's a great point that you bring up about.

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Speaker 4: On yourself so if you're, doing that you should at

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Speaker 4: least have the. Roster spot right that we limited the.

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Speaker 4: Roster spots and that's. Very, frustrating yeah it it.

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Speaker 2: Really IS and i think that it's something that they

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Speaker 4: Self awareness and we're we're kind of forgetting about these

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448
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Speaker 2: A d Danny, de bernadinez the athletic Director Of. Penn

449
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: Charter I'm anthony gargano Of the fellas and each Week

450
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: It's Project NIL. Danny d let's take this to the

451
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: Story Of, trinidad SHAMBLISS who. I love i love the.

452
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: KID'S story i love them as. A player i root

453
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: it For. OLE miss i just thought they were a. Great,

454
00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 2: story WELL the ncaa denied. His waver he sorted the

455
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: additional season of. The eligibility as, we KNOW the ncaa.

456
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: DENIED Him a mississippi judge has granted an injunction that

457
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: can allow him to compete while legal. Proceeders continue now

458
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 2: the eligibility used to be a compliance decisions and now

459
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: it's become a. Legal battle and you could see it

460
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: right like you. Knew, that hey look the MINUTE the

461
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: NC double a BECAUSE the ncaa truly, is powerless and

462
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: so they, deny, you Well, kiss watt we'll take it.

463
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: To, court yep this is the New err and so

464
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 4: they denied him. Three times he's been denied three times

465
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 4: BY the ncaa for. This, year look, And again i'm all.

466
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 4: FOR him i think he should be able. To play

467
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 4: his story is, very, Unique right this isn't a twenty

468
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 4: six year old trying.

469
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: To play he's, you know he's.

470
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 4: TWENTY three i think you know his his journey is very, you,

471
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 4: know intriguing and he had some, you.

472
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Know Obstacles so i'm all for.

473
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 4: Him, play however this is the PROBLEM in NC double a,

474
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 4: is saying, right now why make rules if we can't.

475
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: Enforce them it's an. Il eerror people can go to

476
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: court because.

477
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 4: Money's involved now it's a. Different thing it's not just.

478
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 4: Scholarship athletes so that those days. Are DONE WHEN nc

479
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: doublea said something that was the, final ruleing those days.

480
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: Are done so they're getting frustrated with it. Three times, he,

481
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: applied appealed he lost. Every appeal he, you know he puts.

482
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: An injunction he goes To A Mississippi sturt. State court luckily,

483
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: for him the judge was an old misgraduate and he

484
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: puts an injunction.

485
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: On it so there's some controversy. Around that.

486
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 4: So kind of what's next IS n C double a

487
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 4: is going to, appeal that and it's going to go

488
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 4: up the chain and we'll probably go to a federal

489
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 4: level and this will be some, you know precedent. Moving

490
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 4: forward but this IS what i worry About. With trinidad

491
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 4: and he's projected to be like a second third, round. Pick,

492
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: right ye if this, goes long he starts missing out. On,

493
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: combine right it just, keeps, Dragging, RIGHT like i don't

494
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 4: foresee it ending.

495
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: Very quickly like what if he gets denied Officially? In

496
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: april he?

497
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: MISSED everything i wonder, if yeah well then he becomes

498
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: can he become a? Free agent there is there's that

499
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: supplemental draft they used.

500
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: To, have yeah like that's it's it's.

501
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 4: Wild though then the guaranteed money and the, Contract, structure

502
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: yeah that stuff it. Goes away SO like i work, for,

503
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: him Right and i've looked. At it if he's the second,

504
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 4: ROUND pick i think he makes seven million over.

505
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: Four years if he goes.

506
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: Back to old mister saying he's getting five million dollars

507
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: five to six.

508
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Million, dollars oh it's not.

509
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: EVEN close i, mean now which is why you see,

510
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: kids now.

511
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: You know want to stay getting. EXTRA years, i.

512
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: Mean get an, organ right number two overall pick in. The,

513
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: Draft now i'm gonna go back.

514
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: To, college well.

515
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: YOU and i talked about this at the inception of.

516
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 2: The show we talked, about it and it was always

517
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: the right decision to go back.

518
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: TO college i remember we were talking.

519
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: ABOUT back i, don't know maybe it was at some

520
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: point and it, was, like, yeah Like if.

521
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: I'm him i'm looking to come back. And play why

522
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: would you want to play and stay?

523
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: In school you just become better and you're you're got

524
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: a better environment with good coaches and good team.

525
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 4: Around, you yeah hopefully you're learning something in, the classroom because,

526
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: you know it doesn't always end well if.

527
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 2: You're back and you've graduated already a.

528
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: Year, ago yeah, BUT yeah, I agree but they should.

529
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Take doctorate you should go after, your master's, your doctorate

530
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: you should.

531
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: Be trying to better yourself right while you.

532
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 4: Have it it's it's free for you have, this opportunity

533
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: so take advantage.

534
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: Of that well only only only for, you know like

535
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: let's get like at least at, least enrolled like at

536
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: least have a couple of classes, going on so you're

537
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: not just, some dude, you know hanging, around, campus, right

538
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: definitely like with like that's the absurdity, Of it like

539
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: you should have to there should be a, stipulation, that,

540
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: hey look if you played the six years, you've graduated.

541
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: You got to keep.

542
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: Taking classes just so we're not just, you know it's

543
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: the complete, mockery album.

544
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: But these universities have to look. At IT like i Read.

545
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: About chandlers so when he transferred in it he was

546
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: a four to zero student at the, you know At His,

547
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: farrish STATE the d two school that he won national,

548
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: championship at and he had to switch majors because they

549
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: wouldn't take.

550
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: His, credits wow, Another problem.

551
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: Like he wasn't even enrolled until like, they said he

552
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: was working Out the planet fitness because they couldn't get.

553
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: Him enrolled because the.

554
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: Credits translated these schools are so, you know they they

555
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: do it, on purpose so you have to go to

556
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: school longer for the, general, student right who they're trying

557
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 4: to get money out of it and keep longer at.

558
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: The school but in.

559
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 4: The, athletic world especially in his, transfer world they have

560
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: to look at it and identify it and be more

561
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: creative with it because we're not allowing these kids to.

562
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 4: Get degree he had to change his major like something,

563
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: he loved but he had to get out of it

564
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: because they wouldn't take, his credits so he would he

565
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: couldn't graduate if he didn't.

566
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: Change, It yeah like so like.

567
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: THAT'S ridiculous, i mean, you, mean listen if we're going

568
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: to go deep, into it the university system needs to

569
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: kind of complete overhaul, whevery, Fake right like the gouging that,

570
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: goes on you know for the general student is it's.

571
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: Just outrageous and, about, That right like an.

572
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Effect on a general student all this stuff, is having right?

573
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: Was it YOU and i we were talking, about IT

574
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: like i BROUGHT up I Guess penn state Lost, fifty yeah.

575
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: Would they lose like? Fifty?

576
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: Million yep.

577
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter because, you know that's the bottom,

578
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: line books that's not the football program and all this

579
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: money With these what these programs are getting out of it,

580
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: Is students like, you're listen you're at a, D right

581
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: so you see it every day your kids go. To

582
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: school forget to not forget, the athletes the. Non athletes

583
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: i've seen this this new trend of non athletes of

584
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: just students GOING to sec schools like we Live in.

585
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: They're so hard to Get.

586
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 4: Into clemson's WHEN when i was graduating, high school, you

587
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: know back in, you know, two thousands.

588
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: You those south schools were super easy to.

589
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: Get into now they're like the application amounts are Getting The,

590
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: clemson tennessee's they're Like the ivy's of the Of the south,

591
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: right now and it's so hard to get. Into now

592
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: i'm NOT saying i don't know much about the, education

593
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: level but just the competitive nature to get in is

594
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 4: because these sports are.

595
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Driving in so many kids want.

596
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: To go oh it's it's all, about sports, you know

597
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: they see IT. On tv these are the general student

598
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: just want to go experience, you know a football game

599
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: At in Alabama right like they just Want to. It's

600
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: nuts like there's a lot of kids in, my area

601
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: in our Area because Danny the united live in the. Same,

602
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: area uh, you know there is an sec explosion where

603
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: kids are Going to Alabama and auburn and all miss

604
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: and and they're going down there and it's only because

605
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: of the football and people are saying in basketball and

606
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 2: people are kids are saying it, and, going, YEAH man

607
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: i want to be a part of that. Campus environment,

608
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: you know you get out of your hometown and you

609
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: go somewhere completely different with the sprawling campus and the

610
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: manicured lawn and the quad and it looks, you, know

611
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: here it's just either It's Either penn State, or Temple

612
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: and temple's an inner city kind of Environment And penn

613
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: state is tucked away in the western part of. The

614
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: state but, YOU know i mean it's not the manicured Loans.

615
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: Of alabama it's a, different field, the weather the whole,

616
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 2: the people the. Whole thing so kids are doing that

617
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: and it just directly stems.

618
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: From, sports yeah.

619
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: It all, ties IN and i think they have to

620
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: identify that it all ties in and make, decisions, accordingly,

621
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: right like look at it as, a whole look at the,

622
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: general student look at the, walk on look at, The

623
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: program like all this, ties in and it's really important

624
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: that we look at it and identify it, that way

625
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: or it's just going to.

626
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: Keep fracturing and that's part of the problem.

627
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: Right now and like we talked About with rutgers losing all,

628
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: this money these schools are trying to. Keep up but

629
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: at the, same time it's like they got to be,

630
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: more Strategic like rutgers In The. Big ten if you're

631
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: going to spend Like The big ten programs and, finished

632
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: last you're. Losing out you're not getting invited to the,

633
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: Ball games you're you're missing out on THE big tv,

634
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: you know the monetary for making it longer in the

635
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: season and. The postseason like that's. Something serious and these

636
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: teams it's everyone's trying to figure this out at the.

637
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: Same time but, with that people are getting absolutely drenched

638
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: and getting, you.

639
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: Know underwater well, there's something THERE'S some, i mean it's

640
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: ridiculous that If you're rutgers and you're playing, YOU know USC.

641
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: AND ucla, i mean, come, on, yeah here you're chartering

642
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: playing across. The country, It's stupid like you know that

643
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: that kind of that kind of travel, is ridiculous just doesn't.

644
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: Make sense that's why what ultimately needs to happen is.

645
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: These conferences there needs to be two. SUPER conferences i

646
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: talk about it all. THE time I get afc IN

647
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: an nfc and it gets whacked up in, the divisions

648
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: and the divisions play. Each other so you're not, you

649
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Know seven california schools To the east coast To.

650
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: Play, maryland yeah because. Of it people think, about football,

651
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: All right football.

652
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Is On it saturday. Or whatever but you're in.

653
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: The conference you're playing all, these, Sports right so you're

654
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Speaker 4: going to a volleyball game On, a tuesday flying across.

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Speaker 1: THE country, i mean.

656
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous you want to talk about, Losing money that's

657
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: how you're, losing money. YOU know i mean football's got.

658
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: A football basketball have to underwrite all. That, travel yeah.

659
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy, all right let's take a quick.

660
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: To you but for the neat bow of.

661
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: IT all I love, trintidad MAN and i think the

662
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: kid has, a CASE like i would vote for him.

663
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: To play i'm. ON board i want him. TO play

664
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: i wanted to.

665
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: Have opportunity it's just how it's all. Going down it's,

666
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: it's scary and because.

667
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: It will set, a, precedents.

668
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah precedent so IT'S like i wish they just gave

669
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: eligibility and we. Move forward but the fact that they

670
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: denied them is and now we're going all these.

671
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: Different channels it's. Getting slippery so we'll see how it.

672
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: Plays out.

673
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: ALL right i got a question from a parent and

674
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: it has to do with baseball and arm care and

675
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: the arc of. A PICTURE so i want to throw that.

676
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: At you, coming up This is PROJECT AND I ll

677
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: danny d THE A D anthony gargano as we hang

678
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: out right here.

679
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: Only On Fox.

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00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Sports radio welcome Back to PROJECT AND I ll danny

681
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: d D A D, nanny dimernandinas who is the athletic

682
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: Director At Penn Charter high School. In Philadelphia anthony gargano

683
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: From The Fellas jeff schwartz be coming, up next, and

684
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: uh we'll take you over. After, That, SO dan i was,

685
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: you know baseball workouts are in full force as you

686
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: pitchers and CATCHERS in mlb have Arrived to Arizona and

687
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: florida and the kids are throwing the. Ball around we've

688
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: been now we're a kind of regular practice three nights.

689
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: A week and one of our dads is a listener

690
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: to the program and he's got a kid and, he

691
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: uh one of the kids are our team, he pitches

692
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: and it was fun because, you know like we have at,

693
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: our facility we have a, radar gun right, all right

694
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: so all the kids are now you could you imagine

695
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: these are competitive kids and it's all about, you know

696
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: what are?

697
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: You? Throwing ye and you, see it, you know the.

698
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: Whole thing so my question was about armcare And like

699
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: i've Been so i've been involved in youth baseball for a.

700
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: Long time both my, kids play but my little one

701
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: stayed with it is, pretty good And so i've been

702
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: kind of through this. Whole thing and he's got a really,

703
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: good Arm but i've limited his pitching until right. About

704
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: now i'm gonna let him kind of really throw regularly

705
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: this YEAR.

706
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: Because i just kind of.

707
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: Want to there's a tendency and it's not out, of

708
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: malice but there's a tendency to overwork kids that. Are

709
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: pitching it's. Just natural the way the tournaments are. Set

710
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: up it's really. Not healthy, you know they tell you

711
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: to limit pitch counts, and stuff and, you, know listen

712
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: we do a. Good job, you know my My guy

713
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: jim does a great job, and help, you know managing.

714
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: The kids but.

715
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: You're just throwing a lot man and between travel ball

716
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: and school and you know pretty soon will be high

717
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: school and. Travel ball it's a hard thing. To do

718
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: how do you navigate that piece?

719
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: Of, it yeah, With pitching i've Learned because i've seen

720
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: so many injuries more recently and it's been, you know.

721
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: It's, it's growing it's become, you know an epidemic.

722
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: Pretty Much so i've talked to, you know guys in

723
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: the baseball circles and, you know they always, tell me,

724
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 4: you know it's. About, tempo right the guys who throw

725
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: really hard don't look like they're throwing.

726
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: Really.

727
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 4: Hard right kids want to, you know they just Want,

728
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 4: to yeah, your motion, Emotion right it's got to be a,

729
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: smooth right slow to.

730
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: Fast right you want to. Finish.

731
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: High right this is The stuff i've been talked, to about,

732
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: you know learned through.

733
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: THESE people i wasn't, a picture but, you know, just

734
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: yeah your.

735
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: Arm action, you're right like you're so much is the

736
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: is your, arm action your, arm slot the pressure on

737
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: your shoulder and, your elbow the.

738
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: S loot you want to keep, it high, you know

739
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: and explain the kids that power comes from, your legs

740
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 4: like it's not it's.

741
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Not armed.

742
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: So much it, starts low the power comes from, your

743
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: leg and then it's really about technique, up top, finishing

744
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 4: high making.

745
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: Sure the good, you know good.

746
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: Arm placement you don't want to, get low and when it,

747
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: gets low you, get injured right because you're just trying

748
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: to whip in your arm and you're you're not really,

749
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: you know doing in this, safe way and that's how.

750
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Injuries occur and it is growing.

751
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: Because kids just want to, pitch, fast quickly and that's

752
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: not what it's.

753
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: All about and they want to throw baked breaking.

754
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 4: Balls quickly, you know you want to kind of stay

755
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: away from that until they get a. Little, older right

756
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: kids are starting to throw, breaking balls, you know and

757
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 4: that's a different arm mode and how.

758
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: You finish and when you're that young it can be dangerous.

759
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: As well so it's really just about, you know trying

760
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: to educate yourself and really getting the right technique and

761
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: easing into it because, you know these kids want.

762
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: To play, you know they're ten eleven.

763
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: Years old they want they're going to play untilt least

764
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: there's eighteen nineteen so and hopefully.

765
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Past that but if you're not being careful, about it

766
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: you really can mess your arm up and put them

767
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: at a. Really disadvantage, So dude i've.

768
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: Seen it, you know it scared me and it really

769
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: scared me away from pitch of having my moswell pitch

770
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: is the little.

771
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: League, elbow yeah that's a.

772
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: REAL thing i know a lot of kids because what

773
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: happens is your growth plate as, you're growing like your

774
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: body's not supposed you're not supposed to throw that much

775
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: like these kids, are throwing and it affects your. GROWTH

776
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: plate a lot of kids Had That little league elbow

777
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: and it could turn into something serious the elbow.

778
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: To shoulder it's all really, you know the, vulnerable spots

779
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: especially as.

780
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: You're growing and you don't want to really mess.

781
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: With that right, they're growing they're, getting older their, body's

782
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 4: changing and you don't want to set them up where

783
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 4: they have some type of nagging injury for the next,

784
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: you know for the rest of their, Lives really so,

785
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 4: like again it's something that is, really cool.

786
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: But you just got to be smart and be strategic.

787
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: About.

788
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: It yeah one of the things that you Know that

789
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: i'll always if you've got young pictures, out there work

790
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: out with, the volleyball like throw, a volleyball like to

791
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: build up. The muscles, you know football is great because

792
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: it's like that has helped my son a lot because

793
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: he's a, Quarterback too so, you know throwing the.

794
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: Football helps even though the motion.

795
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: Is different you got to make sure strength of right

796
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: right and it's safe that you can. Just throw the

797
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: volleyball is even better because it's of the, same, Shape

798
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: right so you're just throwing, the volleyball and it's just

799
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: building up your. Arm strength so it's a it's a

800
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: good little it's a good little workout for the them to,

801
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: do that, you know and not, you know especially, you

802
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: know at, ONE point i want to talk about, you,

803
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: know uh weights BECAUSE now i have the kids in

804
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: the lifting pretty.

805
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: Pretty, good yeah we can get into it for sure because.

806
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: People ask about that all the time, about age, you

807
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: know when should they start weight training and and that sort.

808
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: Of thing but, you know, as always we're getting towards

809
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: uh some. Basketball playoffs, NEXT week i know we're going

810
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: to talk, about yours which is At The fame palestra Uh,

811
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: In philadelphia so that'll be a lot. Of fun we'll get.

812
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Into that danny d great stuff, As, always buddy.

813
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: You're the BEST because i talked to you soon brother There.

814
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: Is danny D D A Dm.

815
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: Anthony garganom stay tuned For, the Fellas With jeff schwartz

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00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: coming up next