Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode number three of the Gates
Speaker 1: the Chronicles with Reggie Right, James McDonald, and Alex Alonso
Speaker 1: from Street TV. Alright, appreciate you coming in with us
Speaker 1: and hanging out. I guess I hope you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a regular guest over here. But we'll see what we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. Well, cool, cool, cool, So tonight episode
Speaker 1: we're gonna deal with we's something, um that you know
Speaker 1: we're all about and what what you know, you know
Speaker 1: my backgrounds and law enforcement and the police. And then
Speaker 1: James Mob James, you know, you know where he's from.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I want to give James a shout out.
Speaker 1: Today is his birthday. I appreciate you coming in for
Speaker 1: and um spending some time with us on his birthday
Speaker 1: and because you could have shook us no no, no business.
Speaker 1: First exactly exactly. And then man, a very very special
Speaker 1: guest on, Mr Alex Alonzo from Street st TV st TV.
Speaker 1: You see, I'm know that that oh you know what
Speaker 1: you used to call it, well, it used to be
Speaker 1: street gangs. But I had to, uh, I wanted to
Speaker 1: introduce my platform to a larger audience, so I kind
Speaker 1: of sanitized the name. I went from street gangs to
Speaker 1: street TV. Can you get any bigger? Man? Because you'd
Speaker 1: be having some good some good episodes. And there's always
Speaker 1: room for growth, man, there's always um, you know, new
Speaker 1: things to do, and technology is constantly changing and the
Speaker 1: Internet is growing and social media is growing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going as big as we can get. Well, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: appreciate your working on I guess well. I can see
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of respect out there because of
Speaker 1: the different neighborhoods you'd be going into. Some people say
Speaker 1: I got a hood pass to every hood, but it
Speaker 1: ain't really like that. It's just you. You you can
Speaker 1: walk in, you got to camp. Hey, I could actually
Speaker 1: tell you there's a couple of hoods where I'm actually
Speaker 1: not allowed to go in, like for real, for real.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into those specifically, but you
Speaker 1: know there are some people that they push against what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and you know, I got to navigate through
Speaker 1: that from that. Looking at it, you could be a
Speaker 1: police type of ship not knowing you, or you could
Speaker 1: be undercover or not. It ain't even on none of that.
Speaker 1: It's about they want to document themselves and they want
Speaker 1: to control how they're depicted. And even though I have
Speaker 1: a huge platform and I want to give people in
Speaker 1: these neighborhoods an opportunity, they feel like we'll do it ourselves.
Speaker 1: So you know, I respect it, and I go where
Speaker 1: I'm welcomed basically, but most places I'm welcomed down. Very
Speaker 1: few problems, um, very few issues. And I love what
Speaker 1: I do. Cool. Cool. Uh see you want to New York? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where are you from? Originally? I was actually born in
Speaker 1: New York, but I came to l A at the
Speaker 1: age of eleven and pretty much been here ever since.
Speaker 1: I came here in the early eighties, and I grew
Speaker 1: up in the West Adams area. Yeah, and I hit
Speaker 1: I hit l A right when it's just in the
Speaker 1: thick of it, you know, as a as a teenager.
Speaker 1: So I saw all the eighties. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely
Speaker 1: where are you from? From? In the last ten years?
Speaker 1: So you you gotta wear l A had now, Well
Speaker 1: I switched up to me when when you see me
Speaker 1: with different hats on, it's really part of my uniform
Speaker 1: and it's not representing what the logo is. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll get into the show because you got a
Speaker 1: lot of knowledge, and you know, first of all, I
Speaker 1: want to touch you on you got anything or any
Speaker 1: Nipsey stories, you know what. I actually met Nipsey back
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven for the first time. I was
Speaker 1: working on a TV show. I was working on a
Speaker 1: pilot for A and E. And I was trying to
Speaker 1: get a bunch of l A street guy young street
Speaker 1: guys to be a part of this new show. And
Speaker 1: I eventually got seventeen people to to shoot for the show,
Speaker 1: and I wanted Nipsey to be one of those and
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to get them at the time. For
Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole another story. But then maybe
Speaker 1: a year later they hit me up. His people hit
Speaker 1: me up and said, hey, you still want to do
Speaker 1: that interview, and I said, well, initially I wanted him
Speaker 1: to be on this show that I was doing for
Speaker 1: A and E. But I'll I would love to interview
Speaker 1: him for for the platform, and they said, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do it. So I ended up interviewing him in February
Speaker 1: of two thousand nine. And it's one of the oldest
Speaker 1: Nipsey Hustle interviews. There's about maybe two that are older
Speaker 1: than the one I did, so I met him early,
Speaker 1: gave me his mixtape, Bullets Ain't Got No Name, and
Speaker 1: people remember he did three. That's why I ended up
Speaker 1: becoming a fan of him. He did these three amazing
Speaker 1: mixtapes Bullets Ain't Got No Name, one, two, and three,
Speaker 1: and that pretty much put him on the map in
Speaker 1: l A. Everyone's like, man, this guy could rap. I
Speaker 1: remember telling someone in two thousand eight or nine, this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna blow up. I said, this guy is really
Speaker 1: gonna blow up, and everyone's like, Nah, he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: blow up. I'm like not. This dude has he has
Speaker 1: the look, he has the swag. He comes from one
Speaker 1: of the biggest neighborhoods in l A. So he's got
Speaker 1: that huge backing, and he's got talent. And he choked
Speaker 1: like he got an old soul. He does like he
Speaker 1: got old soul, like he actually been there, like he's
Speaker 1: been there when slow some boys first came out the
Speaker 1: way they used to talk back in the days. That's
Speaker 1: how I was watching this looking at his interviews, and
Speaker 1: he talked like he'd been here before. You wouldn't. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he was thirty three years old. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like like how Tupac talk. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he was smarter than Tupac. Actually, well he's
Speaker 1: eight years older, that's true. Yeah, that's a good You
Speaker 1: can't compare year old and expence is totally different from Tupax.
Speaker 1: But you could look at Nipsey when he was twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty five and a lot of old videos and maybe
Speaker 1: try to make that comparison. And you gotta remember Tupac
Speaker 1: came from UH, from Baltimore, the Yard, Oakland and all
Speaker 1: of the neighborhoods. Well, Nancy just had that on own
Speaker 1: training right there in south central l A. And he
Speaker 1: and so he's just gonna keep it about that. And
Speaker 1: he had, you know, older brother, Tupac Din you know,
Speaker 1: have an older brother and all of that. The guide
Speaker 1: even all of that, Tupac was pretty much the leader
Speaker 1: of his cruise or his sets what everybody was at
Speaker 1: when them seeing you know, I kind of had people
Speaker 1: that you know, to be up under, from Big Hi
Speaker 1: to UH to his brother Sammy and all of those.
Speaker 1: And that's a big difference. Yeah. But also Tupac come
Speaker 1: from a black panther back, come from that, I mean
Speaker 1: some revolutionaries. He had a lot of uncles and stuff,
Speaker 1: but he still was raised by his mama. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: Nimpsey apparently was too, even though his dad, he said
Speaker 1: he was in his life a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: mean a lot. Apparently, I'm gonna give the edge to
Speaker 1: year old Nipsey over old because because Nipsey was talking
Speaker 1: about investments, he still haven't. He was talking about business,
Speaker 1: he was Park was just a part Park was a
Speaker 1: talented dude and all he talked about was partying, and
Speaker 1: han't talking about that at nip Yeah. Yeah, you go
Speaker 1: go look at some of his very first interview that
Speaker 1: he did with um the guy from the Bay Area,
Speaker 1: his name of coming in a second. He was like
Speaker 1: twenty three years old talking about I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: buying this jewelry when I can't afford it yet I
Speaker 1: need to I need to look at investments. I gotta
Speaker 1: look at my future. He was twenty three talking like
Speaker 1: that and either oh seven or oh eight. So I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people, might you know, dislike the
Speaker 1: comment that I gave Nipsey the edge over Pock when
Speaker 1: it comes to knowledge and intellect. But I'm confident in
Speaker 1: that twenty five year old nip was just slightly sharper
Speaker 1: than the year old pop. Did you see the interview
Speaker 1: that Park did at the age four at the Brotherhood
Speaker 1: Crusade with Danny Bakewell and that about the three strike laws.
Speaker 1: And you know what my favorite part interview was the
Speaker 1: one he did from prison when he let his hair
Speaker 1: grow in. I mean, he was actually sharpened at an interview. Man,
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's really tough. That was a sharp interview
Speaker 1: that pot game from prison, you know, but yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: really one, how do you feel about Nipsey working with
Speaker 1: the police to get the gangs together and you deal
Speaker 1: with a lot of gang bangers are attempting to Yeah
Speaker 1: it never happened, it out, but I mean, well it
Speaker 1: never happened because he was killed, so we never know
Speaker 1: what would have happened that Monday. But he was one
Speaker 1: of the only ones was working on that get him
Speaker 1: close to you know, the gangs, trying to you know,
Speaker 1: cease firing the whole nine. How you feel about it?
Speaker 1: I mean, you work with a lot of gang members
Speaker 1: and and some game members might say they're not with it.
Speaker 1: Somebody say they with it like the ones they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, how you you think it will work. Well.
Speaker 1: I commend it for for planning to just have those
Speaker 1: discussions with law enforcement. Everyone that works for GRID, g
Speaker 1: R y D, Gang Reduction, Youth Development, the gang members
Speaker 1: that are ingrid, they have to work with the police.
Speaker 1: So we already got over two dozen former slasherformance. They
Speaker 1: call them informants. We got raping money. They the real
Speaker 1: game members doesn't active in it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Have a problem with them, Yeah, they might, they call
Speaker 1: them snitches, but there's some ogs that are that that
Speaker 1: have solid names out there that are part of the GRID,
Speaker 1: that that work with law enforcement, and there's no way
Speaker 1: around it. Yeah, if you're working with the city, I'm
Speaker 1: all for. I'm just telling you know. You know, because
Speaker 1: when I was doing little guys and out there, and
Speaker 1: people know my background on both sides, I always know
Speaker 1: that those guys had got jackets and they didn't respect
Speaker 1: them or they didn't talk about them about this situation
Speaker 1: until they got in trouble. Then they wanted to reach
Speaker 1: out to them and see who they can help. Well,
Speaker 1: I know about six or seven GRID workers and they're
Speaker 1: all solid. They got them in the Jungles, they got
Speaker 1: them over there and Hyde Park they got him in
Speaker 1: in West Adams. Even unfortunately twin from rolling these got
Speaker 1: killed in July of two thousand and eighteen. He was
Speaker 1: a grid worker and he was a solid guy from
Speaker 1: forties crib. So there are some really good, uh you know,
Speaker 1: respectable guys that work with grid, work with the city,
Speaker 1: and they're forced to work with law enforces. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of there's a lot of gang
Speaker 1: bangers junctions out there that don't know nothing about grid
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that they've never heard of.
Speaker 1: But it's not about telling the police information about the gang.
Speaker 1: And I think that might be a misconception that grid
Speaker 1: workers are not there to inform on other gang members.
Speaker 1: There there as like a liaison between the streets and
Speaker 1: law enforcement to say, hey, you know, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: talk to the youngsters, and I said, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give them some information. Then you you tell the police, Hey,
Speaker 1: I spoke to those guys and they're gonna be quiet.
Speaker 1: You know. It's not about like giving names and providing information.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that grid workers do that. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard of grid workers like I haven't heard of any
Speaker 1: cases either. Let me just clarify that and clarify that.
Speaker 1: But I know that's what people that's from the outside,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, well, he worked for you know,
Speaker 1: he getting the chet, he get paid by the police.
Speaker 1: Police look out for him and take care of him,
Speaker 1: and so stay away from him, or we don't talk
Speaker 1: about that in front of him. And I think that's
Speaker 1: part of the danger of doing this gang intervention professional work.
Speaker 1: Like people just think it's it's a simple job, but
Speaker 1: you're you're there to help curb violence, help curb gang conflict,
Speaker 1: and it's still a dangerous job for all those good
Speaker 1: workers because you never know when these young knuckleheads I
Speaker 1: think you're an informant or think you're working with the
Speaker 1: police in a different kind of way. You know, I
Speaker 1: even talked to the police sometimes when I'm out there shooting,
Speaker 1: and I try to stay away from them because I
Speaker 1: don't know who's looking, I don't know who's watching um.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's almost impossible not to interface
Speaker 1: with law enforcement when you're out in any streets and
Speaker 1: you have constant out there that are good that is
Speaker 1: for you know, like uh, you know, Darren dupri And
Speaker 1: and Compts like that. And you know from when the
Speaker 1: l a like my father was Reggie Wright Senior from
Speaker 1: Compton when he was working in Compton Police Department, that
Speaker 1: that people couldn't have tru have good relationships with. And
Speaker 1: so you have those type of officers that you just
Speaker 1: have to know which ones there there are. The police
Speaker 1: of the day is really willing to work with the
Speaker 1: game members. There's so yeah, you're not gonna ever get majority.
Speaker 1: You never had the majority. You're never going to have
Speaker 1: a majority of them that believe because some believe in
Speaker 1: this kicking as taking names and moving on where you
Speaker 1: have something that's working in those those types of divisions
Speaker 1: and the smarter ones and all of that since the
Speaker 1: quite frankly since the riots. It started trying to happen
Speaker 1: since the riots, when law enforcement was like okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: you know well the riots was a result of the
Speaker 1: right and the keen beating when they saw that Okay,
Speaker 1: we can go to jail for putting our hands on
Speaker 1: these people like this. The public is not really tolerating this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really has if that happens. But this this is
Speaker 1: own thing. What these guys is trying to do for
Speaker 1: Nipsey and and my whole thing is I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: listening to it was the kids. It was meaning for
Speaker 1: the kids that he was trying to help it for,
Speaker 1: which is the most important thing. But it jumps from
Speaker 1: the kids to these I've seen a lot of interviews,
Speaker 1: and these guys just threatened their own home boys for
Speaker 1: all the big homership, you're fools and wo woo. Don't
Speaker 1: come and and support this and this and that. You're
Speaker 1: going by the wrong way because I'm telling you, everybody
Speaker 1: ain't wienies like this. I'm not gonna get that cat,
Speaker 1: no shout out. But like that boy there, like that
Speaker 1: boy they killed Tupac. Come on, man, you you're dealing
Speaker 1: with some serious knuckle heads out there, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So how can you get the game bangers,
Speaker 1: in the in the in the police together. How do
Speaker 1: you do that? It's just the first step, James, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think this is the first step towards
Speaker 1: something that's gonna take five years, eight years in years,
Speaker 1: Reggie just mentioned the riots. How many years ago was
Speaker 1: that that was almost that's twenty almost thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: And how much progress have we made? I think we
Speaker 1: made some progress in terms of law enforcement. Not not
Speaker 1: that we would want, but I think we made something
Speaker 1: Like you're seeing more officers being indicted on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: I look up the indictments. Every day. There's a cop
Speaker 1: getting indicted somewhere in America every day. Um, thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: you probably didn't see that many law enforcement arrests, right
Speaker 1: and you're seeing more. Look, we have the top l
Speaker 1: a county sheriff and his sidekick both serving five years
Speaker 1: in prison right now, Lee Baka Paul Tanaka. When does
Speaker 1: that ever happened before? When when your chief and assistant
Speaker 1: chief are in prison? You know? And and you know
Speaker 1: Lee Baka he trying to play damning, you know, but
Speaker 1: he pretty much gott You know, I won't to work
Speaker 1: because if it worked out, would be a good thing.
Speaker 1: But my whole thing is first, you gotta you can't
Speaker 1: just keep talking about it like they did in ninety
Speaker 1: two and ninety two. I said it wouldn't gonna work
Speaker 1: because all they want to do is talk and drink.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work. Now you're talking about the truth
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, So what what what What they to
Speaker 1: me is what they need to do is deal with
Speaker 1: the the neighborhoods. First, I think it's a huge step
Speaker 1: because the sixties and the A trays, those are the
Speaker 1: that's the top of the food chain when it comes
Speaker 1: to the neighborhood and gangster call. So if you got
Speaker 1: about what twenty other neighborhood crypt gangs, you got about
Speaker 1: what the gangster crypt gangs, they're all gonna fall under
Speaker 1: with a tray and sixty do. But didn't a tree
Speaker 1: have a problem with because it seemed like Big Hu
Speaker 1: was making a shot call and calling that uh that
Speaker 1: that march and all of that. Didn't they have a
Speaker 1: problem with that? You know, I don't know, maybe I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything specifically, but hey, I mean somebody's got
Speaker 1: to step up and take that position, anybody, And that's cool.
Speaker 1: A lot of cats respect him, so he should take
Speaker 1: the lead. But then you put your bring other other
Speaker 1: major hinders to the to the table. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'm saying in each hood we called
Speaker 1: the cease fire. We don't go out and do nothing.
Speaker 1: When Big You was walking, he was walking side by
Speaker 1: side with Mad bone O g a track, I know,
Speaker 1: with arms around each other. So I mean everyone should
Speaker 1: have but you know what outside's probably don't know. Oh
Speaker 1: that's an O g A track. You know, everyone knows
Speaker 1: Big You because he's you know, he's become a well
Speaker 1: known guy. I think I truly believe it a work.
Speaker 1: But you know, you gotta bring in respect, you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta start respecting each other. Not just today. Uh,
Speaker 1: we gotta switch phone numbers, and we gotta talk. We
Speaker 1: gotta sit down and break bread on how we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this. And once you do that and cease fire,
Speaker 1: Let's try this for one month, and then the next
Speaker 1: month we tried again, and then another month we come
Speaker 1: in and see how we can incorporate that may give money,
Speaker 1: make money to buy this building, to get so many
Speaker 1: kids in there. Because and what happened on the getting
Speaker 1: back to the riots or the truths that we had
Speaker 1: and um, you know the late nineties three, well you
Speaker 1: know what happened was and I was in law enforcement
Speaker 1: deep into it. There. Yes, you hear about a guy
Speaker 1: by the name of James from from mab Paru And
Speaker 1: now I'm Timmy from Nutty Block or or wherever. And
Speaker 1: now I've always been wondering who was Marv James from
Speaker 1: from the mab Parules area that shot and killed my
Speaker 1: cousin or my brother Timmy, that everybody from the neighborhood
Speaker 1: always talked about. And now I'm finding myself frattenizing with him, setting,
Speaker 1: drinking and all of that, and eventually it got to
Speaker 1: be too much. Well allegedly, well I just threw out
Speaker 1: names and even bitch. Everybody gotta look gay, man, And
Speaker 1: that's what called to break up. That's what they started.
Speaker 1: Everybody who persons are listen. Everybody lost in the game war.
Speaker 1: My neighborhood lost, man, I'm team brothers. Every neighborhood lost
Speaker 1: a lot of men. We at the point I lost
Speaker 1: my brother by gangship, but unfortunately was the homies. That's
Speaker 1: over and and these guys gotta look at it. That's over.
Speaker 1: You living now for the future, for your kids, your grandkids.
Speaker 1: Most people weren't able to put it, sweep it up
Speaker 1: under the ruck from from the experience, that's where that's
Speaker 1: where the big homlies come from. And that's where you
Speaker 1: you you put your foot down. Like like with the police.
Speaker 1: If the police come in this situation trying to work
Speaker 1: with with the gangs and they get out of line, man,
Speaker 1: it's the police got to maintain their own Arrest them,
Speaker 1: put him in jail, let them know we're seriously about this.
Speaker 1: That's the only way we believe that they're serious about it.
Speaker 1: If if the police come beating you up and and
Speaker 1: saying this and that, we don't want it to work.
Speaker 1: So how do you check them by their own people?
Speaker 1: You know what? You have to see it with police,
Speaker 1: they don't really have anything to gain by seeing a truce,
Speaker 1: by seeing peace because because part of their business is
Speaker 1: gang violence. They have Gang Enforcement Detail which used to
Speaker 1: be crashed and they all lose jobs. And they have
Speaker 1: Gang Hardcore Division, which is the legal arm of the
Speaker 1: l A District Attorney's office that prosecutes it. So they
Speaker 1: have an agenda to see this continue. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Let go back to the quotas on tickets
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I don't buy into it because
Speaker 1: I know as a cop, I was never told to
Speaker 1: write this many tickets or you got to write this
Speaker 1: many tickets. I think it's just an unwritten rule. You
Speaker 1: have gang Worsemen Detail, we'll just call the crash. You
Speaker 1: have crash. These officers make money, they have kids, they're
Speaker 1: putting their kids through college to be gang cops. So
Speaker 1: how do you employ these people. You gotta have gang conflict,
Speaker 1: you gotta have gang problems without gang problems without gang conflict,
Speaker 1: and you don't have a gang enforcement detail. So what
Speaker 1: what role are they supposed to play when these gangs
Speaker 1: are trying to bring peace and come together? Like what
Speaker 1: what's what? Would there be a sincere role that law
Speaker 1: enforcement can play the gangs get along, There would be
Speaker 1: something you go to major crimes, or you go to
Speaker 1: unsolved or something. I just I just don't buy into
Speaker 1: that because I know about the quotas and all of that,
Speaker 1: so I know they don't like it. Uh for the
Speaker 1: most part, Um, the good ones. Now you got some cops,
Speaker 1: like I said, I saw something on Facebook. I told
Speaker 1: the story before. Or you have two white cops in
Speaker 1: the car and they were applotting each other because, um,
Speaker 1: they were giving each other high fives because some some
Speaker 1: black guys just shot each other and say, oh, you
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. You don't have to do
Speaker 1: anything because they take care of it for you. And
Speaker 1: and so you have those type of officers. You have
Speaker 1: some of them, but as a majority, I don't think
Speaker 1: most people want to see that ain't right. I mean,
Speaker 1: just on that note, you don't think the police out
Speaker 1: of here is racist, especially in l A. They won't
Speaker 1: give you the time of day. You have a percentage,
Speaker 1: but do you have some There's enough, there's enough to
Speaker 1: say it will never work to have a percentage. But
Speaker 1: I'm just not wanting to believe that all cops are
Speaker 1: bad and all cops are going. I'm not all of
Speaker 1: them not bad. And I'm sure you don't rent the
Speaker 1: two cops that were good and that you speak Kilia
Speaker 1: and you here's the problem with most lap D officers.
Speaker 1: You have the ones that you like. At the Nipsey
Speaker 1: Hustle Memorial, I met a bunch of captains and higher
Speaker 1: ranking law enforcement officers that seem to get it. They're
Speaker 1: talking what you and I would be talking. But the
Speaker 1: guys that are on the front line, that are patrolling
Speaker 1: these neighborhoods, the ones that come to court to test
Speaker 1: the fight against these guys, they're the younger officers. And
Speaker 1: the younger officers have a different mentality than the thirty
Speaker 1: year veteran that that comes to the gang meeting. So
Speaker 1: there's like this divide within the l A p D
Speaker 1: of young cops that they don't care about gang members.
Speaker 1: They will actually talk down about them. But then when
Speaker 1: you talk to a captain, he's talking to like he
Speaker 1: understands the plight, he understands the problem, he has some compassion.
Speaker 1: So within this one organization, how do you have this
Speaker 1: divide of officers that think two different ways. You've got
Speaker 1: to have witnessed this when you was a told stories
Speaker 1: plenty of times where we I had a cop in
Speaker 1: the car with me, tell me which they dropped a
Speaker 1: bomb on the city or Compton. And I had to
Speaker 1: remind this, two of my grandparents still live in this city.
Speaker 1: Where are you talking about? I think those are cops
Speaker 1: that James was talking about. When those cops exist, then
Speaker 1: progress is gonna be so minimal. I truly believe that
Speaker 1: that in the situation like this, you extra police out.
Speaker 1: You do not use the police at this point because
Speaker 1: it's still fresh, everybody is still trying to get on
Speaker 1: the same page and you don't need anything that. I
Speaker 1: just think the problem is and looking for me outside
Speaker 1: because I've never been a game memorial. You know one
Speaker 1: you know professed to be one is that? But I
Speaker 1: know about him is that when one guy is calling
Speaker 1: for the truth or stuthing like that, then the other
Speaker 1: games feel like this dude think he has too much
Speaker 1: power in the city, and jealousy happens. That's what happens,
Speaker 1: and that's where the problem called. This young man is
Speaker 1: in jail now with that that got shot with um
Speaker 1: with Nipsey. Why do you all really believe that he's
Speaker 1: in jail? They got him more provo violation. Why do
Speaker 1: you think they got him in there because he refused
Speaker 1: to talk and won't tell him anything, so they're gonna
Speaker 1: late and he's actually victim. And oh, I totally disagree
Speaker 1: with this this arrest, but I'm just trying to explode
Speaker 1: explain to people why why is the custody and we're
Speaker 1: talking about I think cousin Carey, I mean, because you
Speaker 1: don't want to talk. I just man, yeah, Cousin carry Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, can you honestly say if if if I
Speaker 1: think it's great, and then I just won't give a
Speaker 1: shout out to it right quick while I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 1: free Cousin Carry Many lad TV is doing uh uh
Speaker 1: something on his page where he's uh they're doing uh
Speaker 1: a go fund page where At last I checked, it
Speaker 1: was up to about sixteen and seventeen dollars for his
Speaker 1: legal fund. If anybody can go and support that, it
Speaker 1: would be greatly appreciate it. Here's another problem I have.
Speaker 1: If you really want to know what a gang cop thinks,
Speaker 1: go watch a trial. I work in a lot. I
Speaker 1: get a lot, right, So I listened to these every week.
Speaker 1: Listen to an l ap D gang cop that's about
Speaker 1: to thirty years old testify. Most of us never even
Speaker 1: get to watch these cases, but I work closely with them,
Speaker 1: and the stuff they say, understand is absolutely ridiculous. Some
Speaker 1: of the craziest stuff they say. Of course, their agenda
Speaker 1: is I want to get a conviction. I need to
Speaker 1: help this prosecutor convict this guy. So they'll go on
Speaker 1: to stand and say almost anything, and maybe one day
Speaker 1: we can have a topic. We're all bringing some transcripts
Speaker 1: and we'll read some of the testimony that these l
Speaker 1: A p D officers and um l A County sheriff's
Speaker 1: deputies say in court. But then I will meet their
Speaker 1: bosses at a ceasefire meeting at a church, and they're
Speaker 1: saying something completely opposite. You know, So this this divide
Speaker 1: again within the culture of police. That to me, I
Speaker 1: can't trust it completely because the bosses are letting these
Speaker 1: young cops kind of do their thing at the same time,
Speaker 1: and they also have a code, Am I right that
Speaker 1: we protected on regardless of well, I'm that's pretty much
Speaker 1: going out the one to I mean, the cops investigated
Speaker 1: each other and they turned each other in, and so
Speaker 1: it's not going on going on like we think where
Speaker 1: that blue wall or that blue light the blue line is.
Speaker 1: It's not, it's it's you know, no social media and
Speaker 1: a lot has has helped uh um, you know, tears
Speaker 1: stuff like that down. So I'm just not one for it.
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that. I know it's dirty cops.
Speaker 1: I know it's a percentage that is out there that's dirty,
Speaker 1: But I'm not one that's gonna say it's the massive
Speaker 1: is dirty. Are are against the system? In the game
Speaker 1: day man, I wanted to work so bad because I
Speaker 1: was challenged still that I have a nephew out there.
Speaker 1: I want to be bad, wanna be this, wanna be that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring him to the show so he
Speaker 1: can see different things. Uh. I think it's important that
Speaker 1: I'm many nephews you got. We all got nephews. We
Speaker 1: all got brothers. I got Timmy got how many kids? Kids?
Speaker 1: And the majority of them is boys, and they all
Speaker 1: they all repping the neighborhood. How do I save them?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Because everybody want to get
Speaker 1: out here in the streets and and click together. If
Speaker 1: each and every man that's that represented gang just stopped
Speaker 1: and got his nephews, his little cousins out of the gang,
Speaker 1: it is shrink so so fast, and it'll be easier
Speaker 1: to maintain what you have now. But and doing that,
Speaker 1: they got him in there. They're watching them die. They're
Speaker 1: watching them die. I don't want to see my nephews.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of them up there die. I
Speaker 1: got one. He's sixteen years old. Uh, everybody ain't meant
Speaker 1: to be a father. I'm gonna say that. Um, he's
Speaker 1: running the streets, sleeping in cars and ship My sister
Speaker 1: tried to get him out in Fontana, nice home. He
Speaker 1: don't want to be there. He want to be from
Speaker 1: the hood, you know what I'm saying. He wanted he
Speaker 1: wanted to to go to the nipty hustle thing at
Speaker 1: the State Well you don't even got a car, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna get there? So he got his other
Speaker 1: cousins and and he finds his way there, and you're
Speaker 1: speaking to him as an og, a big old g
Speaker 1: and he's not listening because you know, we always said,
Speaker 1: well the OG's gotta make him listen. The youngsters is
Speaker 1: not that sixteen year old black man I said it before,
Speaker 1: is the most dangerous guy in America or a person
Speaker 1: in America according to some people, because they don't care,
Speaker 1: they don't have anything to lose, and all of that.
Speaker 1: So my point to all of that is where, you know,
Speaker 1: how do we combat at that. He needs an opportunity,
Speaker 1: He has an economic opportunity. He needs an employment opportunity
Speaker 1: where he sees a future right now, he doesn't see
Speaker 1: a future from that. But they're not going to do
Speaker 1: the jobs that his his uh, his education and all
Speaker 1: of that that's going to allow him to get. Because
Speaker 1: you can go get a job at McDonald's. You can
Speaker 1: go get that job. But he's not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: So what job? What economic he can he can get
Speaker 1: some training electric electrician um. He hasn't finished high schools
Speaker 1: sixteen and he don't he's not even finishing in high school. Yet.
Speaker 1: When I went to junior high school, they had mechanics.
Speaker 1: You learned all that. They don't got that in schools,
Speaker 1: no more, none of that where you can work on cars.
Speaker 1: You're good with your hands. He's good with his hands.
Speaker 1: Now you're getting tattoos on his hands because he ain't
Speaker 1: got nothing to do. And then the police tell you
Speaker 1: can't chastise him because UH is abuse. So how do
Speaker 1: I take my son and embrace my son who whipping
Speaker 1: his ass to keep him alive? You can tell me,
Speaker 1: Come and tell me. I need to know, because I got,
Speaker 1: I got so much. We might have a female perspective
Speaker 1: here on what to do well. I am an early
Speaker 1: education UH teacher from at USC, and you definitely have
Speaker 1: to start them young. Apparently he didn't have that experience,
Speaker 1: you know, from you know, from the beginning. It has
Speaker 1: to give them experience. And when I used to go
Speaker 1: out with Alex and doing these interviews with all these
Speaker 1: other gang members, the number one thing, and Alex used
Speaker 1: to ask them, you know, why what's going on? Why
Speaker 1: are you in the gang? Basically, Oh, I grew up
Speaker 1: with my grandma. I didn't know I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was anything else, and that sticks with me to this day.
Speaker 1: We have three children, teenagers, and it sticks with me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. You mean, you didn't know there was
Speaker 1: a beach out there. You didn't know there was smc
Speaker 1: out there. You didn't know there was a junior college. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. So it's your job, if you want
Speaker 1: to make a difference, is to just take them. Just
Speaker 1: take them, give him the opportunities, Just take him, show
Speaker 1: him something that he does not know. Maybe one day
Speaker 1: it'll click. You might take a year. Just keep going.
Speaker 1: Just you can't give up. You just gotta keep going,
Speaker 1: Just keep going. Yeah, I think the main thing, like
Speaker 1: she said, you gotta start young. He's sixteen, so you
Speaker 1: know it's just not him. This is this is where
Speaker 1: well I'm saying, that's gonna stop the gang the gang ship.
Speaker 1: This is where everything ties in together, you know, the
Speaker 1: big homies. Get your nephews out of the games, get
Speaker 1: your sons out of the games, and and show him
Speaker 1: something different. Let's save our own, you know, let's stop
Speaker 1: blaming other people and asking other people to help us.
Speaker 1: We can we can do that ourselves. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to my sons went to college. My son James Jr.
Speaker 1: And my youngest son, Jayden, they went to college. My
Speaker 1: baby boy went to Texas A and m my oldest
Speaker 1: son went to college. Raising his daughter since she was born.
Speaker 1: They went out to hospital by herself. She's eleven years old,
Speaker 1: so mind understand. But it's Tremney and all of them.
Speaker 1: These are my nephews. So looking at what's going on now.
Speaker 1: A long time ago, I didn't care. I didn't care
Speaker 1: about life period and didn't I didn't care how we
Speaker 1: got down. Let's just do what we do. This is
Speaker 1: part of the game. So being on the other side
Speaker 1: of the fence and and seeing my nephews and seeing
Speaker 1: my best friends getting gunned down for nothing, it's like wow.
Speaker 1: But I can't sit here and be a hypocrite because
Speaker 1: I participated and the same thing I'm trying to stop
Speaker 1: right now, you feel me? So how do I just
Speaker 1: slide by in the shadows? How do I cut this corner?
Speaker 1: How do I do this? It's playing simple. I am
Speaker 1: who I am. I did what I did. I regret
Speaker 1: what I did, So let me pay it forward. Let
Speaker 1: me start by helping my nephews. Because everybody got a
Speaker 1: nephew or a cousin that's doing something stupid. Well, I
Speaker 1: think you just got to plant the seed. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. I used to work at at Culver City
Speaker 1: High School and my job was to counsel the gang
Speaker 1: members there, and I felt like none of these kids
Speaker 1: were listening to me. None of them paid attention to
Speaker 1: what I said. They were just forced to sit there
Speaker 1: for an hour to talk to me once a week.
Speaker 1: And then years later, after that program was done, Uh,
Speaker 1: a UPS driver knocks on my office door to bring
Speaker 1: me a package. And it was one of those kids
Speaker 1: that I had counseled years before, and he told me
Speaker 1: that I had an impact on his life. It didn't
Speaker 1: it didn't materialize then, it didn't happen right then and there,
Speaker 1: but he just remembered things that I would say to
Speaker 1: him every week, and however it happened years later. He
Speaker 1: went up getting a job and started working for UPS
Speaker 1: and figured it out. So all I would say is
Speaker 1: just just keep on planting the seed and one day
Speaker 1: the light bulb will go off in the guy's head
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you said that. I got a guy
Speaker 1: on my my message hit me through messenger and he
Speaker 1: was just talking to me the other day. His name
Speaker 1: Brandon Lee. I want to give a shout out to
Speaker 1: Brandon Lee. He be that she expects. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what is and he just he just telled me
Speaker 1: thank you all the time. Man. I literally just show up. Man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say whoop the whoop, this and that,
Speaker 1: and that makes me feel good like I'm okay, I'm
Speaker 1: doing something right. You know what I'm saying. So shouts
Speaker 1: out to him. Man, I'm keep doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to go out here and just
Speaker 1: grab some cat off the street and say, man I,
Speaker 1: but this truth thing gonna work, is gonna no. Let
Speaker 1: me start with my nephews, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because they're in the thick of it. They're in the
Speaker 1: thick of it, and and and the scary thing is,
Speaker 1: I got so many of them trying to game bang
Speaker 1: but don't even know how to game bang. Don't walk
Speaker 1: with your head down. Uh. One of them ain't gonna
Speaker 1: say no names, and they probably you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: this out after they hear this. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to say Paul Roue and just you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: like that. They don't hear it. So I just got
Speaker 1: to find another way to teach him. And and and
Speaker 1: I'm just running short and and my patience is like
Speaker 1: real thin because I think I'm losing and I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. So here he is. I got
Speaker 1: my nephew and I told him I'm gonna bring him
Speaker 1: to the show. And this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I want you to see and meet people that's doing things,
Speaker 1: that's trying to save lives like yours. He ran away.
Speaker 1: Now my sister been taking care of him for two
Speaker 1: years and and he runs away. He's on Instagram doing
Speaker 1: I'm talking about things you would never think a kid
Speaker 1: like that would be doing the saying. So I came breaking.
Speaker 1: I came breaking, like like really like breaking, because that's jail.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything you really could do except
Speaker 1: just continue to plant the see, continue to be encouraging,
Speaker 1: and hopefully one day something will hit. But I also
Speaker 1: think that in terms of the truth, um Compton, the
Speaker 1: East Side, Watts, other parts of l A really weren't
Speaker 1: impacted by this. This is more like a West Side
Speaker 1: crypt But and I say that because I think all
Speaker 1: these parts of l A. L A so huge, just
Speaker 1: like the second largest city geographically, So there's gotta be
Speaker 1: a Compton movement. There's gotta be a long Beach movement.
Speaker 1: What what these brothers did on the west side the
Speaker 1: other day was just the west side. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't on that side saying they don't even know Nipsey.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say this today. It's not about Nipsey.
Speaker 1: It's what those dudes initiated and what they're trying to
Speaker 1: do now. And if we can say one life every
Speaker 1: night for three and sixty five days, you did good.
Speaker 1: That's ain't nobody getting killed. That's and that's Compton, a
Speaker 1: lone beach and all that. So they need to get
Speaker 1: with the program and get on that because it's all
Speaker 1: about us. It's all about and that's what you're saying,
Speaker 1: we got it, And that's the black panther or the
Speaker 1: way they do it. That's worry about ourselves, and you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's get ourselves, you know, our neighborhood or
Speaker 1: where we at. And then you know, we can't try
Speaker 1: to do the whole city or of l A and Compton.
Speaker 1: It's too big. So we just gotta do this segment.
Speaker 1: We gotta have people in that segment to do it.
Speaker 1: People in this segment like a pie. It's like a pie.
Speaker 1: It starts in your neighborhood. We don't have to go
Speaker 1: to this meeting to do it. We just sit down
Speaker 1: as the homies and say, man, y'all time. Yeah we tied,
Speaker 1: we ain't going out and we ain't doing nothing. We're
Speaker 1: gonna show our support that way by laying our colors
Speaker 1: and our guns down. You don't have to go to
Speaker 1: no meeting talk to the police. You can just say
Speaker 1: we're good. No activity and everybody know what that means.
Speaker 1: No activities next to no activities, and all these guys
Speaker 1: need to hear that part. No activities. That's how you
Speaker 1: support the West Side. They the sixties movement, that's how
Speaker 1: you support that. But what you guys, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys were were, But before that day April five,
Speaker 1: there were two huge meetings, one on April fourth, one
Speaker 1: on April three, with hundreds of people, especially the one
Speaker 1: on April four, hundreds of different crips from different sets
Speaker 1: from around that area. Oh yeah, this is this was
Speaker 1: already was already in place. So then April five came
Speaker 1: and then what happened on April said it was doing
Speaker 1: that under the radar. Then, yeah, so what happened those
Speaker 1: those two days, those two meetings. I think the meetings
Speaker 1: are important. It kind of inspired what we end up
Speaker 1: seeing on April five. You know, it wasn't just That's
Speaker 1: why everybody was so like like quick to join it.
Speaker 1: I mean when I saw them walking down that street,
Speaker 1: I was like, this ain't just happened. Not you're right,
Speaker 1: it just happen. Just can't because and those two meetings,
Speaker 1: those two meetings were like critical and they were revolutionary
Speaker 1: because it brought different sides to the table on those
Speaker 1: two days. And then the fifth is what we all witnessed,
Speaker 1: you know, and I thought it was beautiful. You no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was it was let's talk about the rumors because
Speaker 1: I know you didn't heard it and and um and
Speaker 1: you you got your ears to the ground. Uh. They
Speaker 1: want to blame it on the police. I've blame it
Speaker 1: on the media. Try to put out there that um
Speaker 1: uh you know the shooting after the incident, I was there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you talk about those that was those related to
Speaker 1: the you're talking about when they were at the memorial
Speaker 1: that would have been on I think that was April one,
Speaker 1: about two days after Nipsey was killed. There was a
Speaker 1: big trampling that one. And then I also you're talking
Speaker 1: about the shooting, the one and the one in Nickerson
Speaker 1: Guards correct. Yeah, uh, you can say were they related
Speaker 1: or not. I don't think they were because at the distance.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't believe both of those shootings were
Speaker 1: related to all that was both on the east Side
Speaker 1: was in Watts and people don't know, you know, because
Speaker 1: we got a big broad audience how far away. That
Speaker 1: is the thing is why some people might say it
Speaker 1: was related. Because Nipsey's procession went through Watts. It actually
Speaker 1: went to Century and Maine, and I'm not sure someone
Speaker 1: happened three or four hours later. Yeah, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say. I'm not sure how much time had passed
Speaker 1: after the procession had passed the Century and Maine. It
Speaker 1: also did go to Watch, but I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think that there's some East Side stuff going on.
Speaker 1: And also before Nipsey was killed, there was a there
Speaker 1: was a spike in crime going on in March early March.
Speaker 1: You know, all of March saw a spike from January
Speaker 1: and February, so we might be in some sort of
Speaker 1: trend now, an upward trend of violence in Los Angeles summertime.
Speaker 1: Summertime it always happened like that every year. Yeah time
Speaker 1: when schools get out, I always recognized and when at
Speaker 1: the end of the school that's when the youngster started
Speaker 1: a few shootings in March, and it might have something
Speaker 1: to do it. I think it's just too early to say.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the the hundred and third
Speaker 1: and Main shooting except that it was an older guy.
Speaker 1: And the guy that got killed in the Nicholson Gardens,
Speaker 1: he was a well known guy over there, so I
Speaker 1: don't think it was related to Nipsey's funeral. Well, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to get that cleared up if you we
Speaker 1: had the information. The media was on that. The media,
Speaker 1: they wanted to make a big thing. Oh this happened
Speaker 1: after that, And I was like, well, do you believe
Speaker 1: that that boy said that he was paid to do
Speaker 1: what he did? Come on, we ain't gonna talk about
Speaker 1: I mean, man, don't that's stupid people that's on the
Speaker 1: internet to make that severing The attorney wouldn't even bring
Speaker 1: that up. That wouldn't even come out attorney quick he
Speaker 1: gotta got so. Yeah, he jumped on that, you know,
Speaker 1: for publicity and all of that. So that's fine. He
Speaker 1: wasn't even quite a pointed. I thought he might have
Speaker 1: been quite a point but I found out he's not
Speaker 1: even in the quarter pointed pool. No, he's not a
Speaker 1: he's not a Barkin attorney private private, that's that's Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm cloud chastein and needs. I'll do this for free.
Speaker 1: But we don't know. We don't know if he's getting
Speaker 1: nobody paying for who's gonna pay for? Uh, we don't
Speaker 1: know the economic status of his family. Good point. And
Speaker 1: I think it's too early to say that Christopher Darden
Speaker 1: is doing this pro bono. I believe so, but good point.
Speaker 1: Time will tell you. I believe Chris Darden is getting paid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two three hund knowledge. There's a little deafenety case. Uh
Speaker 1: definitely hasn't been filed, but it's going to be. So
Speaker 1: if it is, then it might see a new attorney.
Speaker 1: You know, attorney has changed all the time, many times.
Speaker 1: It should go through. He had no money countrue everybody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't man, that's why he was there, and that
Speaker 1: that's why he's in the position that he was in.
Speaker 1: If this case goes to trial, we can't even assume
Speaker 1: that Christopher Darden is gonna be the defense attorney through
Speaker 1: this entire process. This trial is not gonna happen for
Speaker 1: a year or two if it goes to trial. So
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that any of those what's gonna
Speaker 1: go to trial because he's gonna try to play the insanity,
Speaker 1: uh that since who'll get down he was crazy and
Speaker 1: not the government. That's people out there they want to have,
Speaker 1: you know, the Tupac still allie that that's that's those
Speaker 1: type of people that's that's put that stuff out. I
Speaker 1: think for the city though, it would be good to
Speaker 1: just give this guy a deal and just jump on it,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's very traumatic for the family
Speaker 1: to sit there in the trial. I've seen it so
Speaker 1: many times, you know, to see his family and his
Speaker 1: kids have to be dealing with this all over and
Speaker 1: I truly don't believe it's don't go nowhere. I think
Speaker 1: he's going something's gonna happen in jail. I don't think
Speaker 1: power untouched. You think that the share out at that level, James,
Speaker 1: the sheriff are gonna let this guy get killed on
Speaker 1: their watch. This is too high profile. They can't even
Speaker 1: move in out of the sale without video camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking to a guy that ain't know you know,
Speaker 1: in that high power situation. One time I was I
Speaker 1: was visiting an inmate. That's not a place in jail
Speaker 1: that you can't be. Yeah, but high power you're different.
Speaker 1: I started to believe James. I was visiting an emmy
Speaker 1: in the county jail once in the in the lawyer's area,
Speaker 1: and I actually saw Should come down, which just by coincident,
Speaker 1: he probably had a sergeant. It was like five deputies.
Speaker 1: One was holding the camp. You know how they move
Speaker 1: high power O jail, everything is documented documentary. They have
Speaker 1: a sergeant there. Also. They don't want the liable liability
Speaker 1: of his family sing the heck out of the sheriff
Speaker 1: department of coming out. So I think I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be uh, you know, he's guarded well guarded
Speaker 1: as well. But now you know what's to go to
Speaker 1: the now that it's the same thing when when she
Speaker 1: was going through it. You've seen on Facebook people posting
Speaker 1: he got killed and all that. Ship and conspirators and
Speaker 1: liars are two different things. You went out with the
Speaker 1: government did it. You said he was paid sea Now
Speaker 1: for the government to do it. That's not even something
Speaker 1: that came out of his mouth because because his attorney
Speaker 1: wouldn't even allow that to happen. Yeah, there's nothing coming
Speaker 1: out of his mouth exactly. Yeah, so cool, so um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we probably have to rename the show still. You know,
Speaker 1: we kind of veered off the first gang. But but
Speaker 1: here's the last thing I'll say on the on the
Speaker 1: whole police first gang relationship. A lot of people might
Speaker 1: not know this, but they are actually documented police gangs,
Speaker 1: most of them in the sheriff to be Vikings. Vikings. Hey,
Speaker 1: Paul Tanaka was the Viking. Yeah, there's the three thousand
Speaker 1: Lynn would say, the three thousand boys that was in
Speaker 1: the county jail, the l a county jail that he's
Speaker 1: speaking of, and there's all. There was also the two
Speaker 1: thousand boys. I just learned this from um Karl Douglas
Speaker 1: because he sued a lot of sheriff uh Barl Douglas
Speaker 1: was a guy on the old j Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: on case back at but now he is the most
Speaker 1: successful civil attorney that sues law enforcement. And there's at
Speaker 1: least three more that I don't know the names of.
Speaker 1: So they have them. Yeah, these are actually they have
Speaker 1: that clue and they have they have been tattooed. They
Speaker 1: had an incident, Uh what do you. Guys got into
Speaker 1: a big fight among themselves at a Christmas party behind
Speaker 1: the click. That's how some of it became public because
Speaker 1: one of the deputy decided to sue the other deput
Speaker 1: exactly what's safe to trusted those I would say, these guys,
Speaker 1: we're talking about ten people out of uh an organization
Speaker 1: of ten thousand. No, we're not going to I would say,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell about the ones that's in the particular gangs,
Speaker 1: I would say there's at least a hundred percentages that
Speaker 1: break down. It is very small, but these are these
Speaker 1: guys have lots of power when it comes to police
Speaker 1: and gangs. Though these are the guys on the front
Speaker 1: line police. There's not a lot of gang enforcement officers.
Speaker 1: So the question is what percent of gang enforcements these
Speaker 1: were guys in. They were in county jails, the Linood station,
Speaker 1: they were at a station which is now in the
Speaker 1: central station. I think they even they might was always
Speaker 1: out of the central station. I forget how that went.
Speaker 1: The vikings. What the vikings are The county jail deputies. Eventually,
Speaker 1: every every deputy has to go to county jail first,
Speaker 1: that's their first assignment. Then they get trickled into the
Speaker 1: departments eventually, so that culture gets spread to wherever they go.
Speaker 1: Like like I always said, it's a percentage that are
Speaker 1: bad cops. I'm just saying the percentage is under two
Speaker 1: to three percent. You're doing the percentage of the whole department.
Speaker 1: I would say, let's do a percentage of gang cops,
Speaker 1: the ones that actually their responsibility is to investigate gangs.
Speaker 1: What percentage of the old gang cops are actually in
Speaker 1: these gang clicks. That number is definitely higher than any
Speaker 1: of the gang officers been associated the clicks. They've always
Speaker 1: been officers in county gls, are at stations and stuff.
Speaker 1: Not in the crash r d Well Raphael perezidem had
Speaker 1: that skull tattoo, they were gang officers. They were just
Speaker 1: regular patrolments. Well, they were parting as a whole. I'm
Speaker 1: saying they were just boys that hung out the gall
Speaker 1: No I think that. I think Raphael Perez and his
Speaker 1: partner um Nino Darden, I think they were crashed officers,
Speaker 1: the ones that shot. Let me just say, this is
Speaker 1: what they did. One day, they shot a Latino gang
Speaker 1: member named Javio Vondo. Paralyzed them then when it got
Speaker 1: a gun and put it next to him and they
Speaker 1: put a case on him. He got sent to twenty
Speaker 1: three years in prison and he sat there for two
Speaker 1: years until he got exonerated, and he lost his ability
Speaker 1: to walk for the rest of his life. Like I said,
Speaker 1: the l A p D officer did that to Javier Vando.
Speaker 1: We we we we got him in the neighborhood. Now,
Speaker 1: how many cops do you know that coming to hood,
Speaker 1: pull you over and start talking to you and then
Speaker 1: start popping you upside your head? What'd you call? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of anything like that. But my point
Speaker 1: to point to, my point to that, my point to
Speaker 1: that is complained. And I know we don't like to
Speaker 1: go on to go and go complain because where the
Speaker 1: departments believe now where they're smoked the fire and what
Speaker 1: I mean by that one time nothing may not happen
Speaker 1: the second time nothing. I'm not mad the third time,
Speaker 1: but you should get three complaints like that. Trust me
Speaker 1: a department. They're going to oversizes out there now where
Speaker 1: it's gonna something's gonna happen. You our complaints of the
Speaker 1: cop pass, that's what we got. The more you have
Speaker 1: an impact, we don't have it on. If you don't
Speaker 1: have it on on the phones, the camera phones. Now,
Speaker 1: the only way the cops going to get dealt with
Speaker 1: is people got to be educated to complaint in the
Speaker 1: streets and getting pulled over by the police just on
Speaker 1: some route change ship shouldn't happen. They're gonna work your
Speaker 1: They're gonna beat you if you're payings shagging, they go,
Speaker 1: they go. You know what you said, don't happen. I
Speaker 1: see it every day. You know what I've observed lately
Speaker 1: in the last maybe five six years, that there are
Speaker 1: less and less black cops out there. It's mostly Latino
Speaker 1: cops and white cops. Especially Confident is all Latino and
Speaker 1: something white cops. What happened all the what happened is
Speaker 1: the one we need more blacks, We need them, but
Speaker 1: they can't pass the background. They came past it because
Speaker 1: they're going to get in trouble. But listen, and the
Speaker 1: ones that do go through the school and all of that,
Speaker 1: you go beat, You're gonna be attorney, You go, you
Speaker 1: get better job. Well, then how does the shriff hiring
Speaker 1: Latino cops that have gang backgrounds? They got Latino cops
Speaker 1: as brothers is from like white fence and and I
Speaker 1: get this is because your brother is related. Don't make
Speaker 1: you relate? Does that be like a red flag in
Speaker 1: the hiring process? You get the red flag and they go,
Speaker 1: they go through some hill and you know how many
Speaker 1: backgrounds you know how many Latino sheriff deputies come from
Speaker 1: gang families? How many a black cop would never get
Speaker 1: hired if it came from a black family. Never. But
Speaker 1: they're not getting hired at the same rate that these
Speaker 1: Latinos get high because they're not generally applying and going
Speaker 1: through the process to do it. I mean, be honest,
Speaker 1: only one of the people that actually apply make it
Speaker 1: through the final process. But the problem with what the
Speaker 1: black what black people when we do go through that,
Speaker 1: usually we got a lot more going on ourselves where
Speaker 1: we choose a different profession. That's what generally LPD has
Speaker 1: a very good salary for for they they choose a
Speaker 1: different profession from the Mexicans. How many black do you
Speaker 1: see in Compton? It's a handful. And how many and
Speaker 1: compare that to the last I see more well in
Speaker 1: l A County. In l A County, look at the
Speaker 1: rate of where it is with the Mexican population and
Speaker 1: the whites and the blacks. I think the Mexican's out
Speaker 1: raid in in l A County. Right, Yes, it's only
Speaker 1: like black and it's like Latinos. So what you're gonna hire? Moral?
Speaker 1: I just think that um and and a lot of
Speaker 1: black inmates in the county jail complain that there is
Speaker 1: a preferential treatment to the Latino Mexican. And from this
Speaker 1: from the from the cops, from the sheriffs, that the
Speaker 1: police in the county jail. So I'm like, man, where
Speaker 1: are all the black sheriffs? Where all the black officers at?
Speaker 1: Why aren't they getting hired? They don't want them, That's
Speaker 1: not true, they want them. They're just getting wild filtered out.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of black cops that are ranked
Speaker 1: high ranking because they moved up, but they've been around
Speaker 1: twenty five three years that they moved a lot of
Speaker 1: high ranking black coples. I don't see them patrolling the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Back in the days Compton was had more. It was like,
Speaker 1: like I just said, because of the hiring process and
Speaker 1: behind the background checking. You know, Um, do you think
Speaker 1: about it? Um, a person to go through college and
Speaker 1: all of that, Where do we see our black do
Speaker 1: we tell them to go go to college to become
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers? I got a cousin named Tony Williams,
Speaker 1: went to college, went to the military, did this, did
Speaker 1: eight years in military, came home and was denied l
Speaker 1: a p D. Why I don't know, but he ain't me.
Speaker 1: He's just smart. But just because he went through it
Speaker 1: don't mean that he didn't have a checker, our spotty path.
Speaker 1: They just kept telling him like, you'll never really know why,
Speaker 1: And they have reasons why they say they get You know,
Speaker 1: I learned. I learned some of the weird questions that
Speaker 1: they ask. Like, for example, they'll ask you a question
Speaker 1: if you pull your mother over for speed, but you
Speaker 1: pull over, you pull someone over for a speeding ticket,
Speaker 1: you find out that's your mother. The question is do
Speaker 1: you give your mother that ticket? What's your answer, James, No,
Speaker 1: that's the answer. They want to hear because if you
Speaker 1: say yes, I will let's say you're a liar and
Speaker 1: boom you. But I think some of these But if
Speaker 1: you're a new recruit, you're thinking to yourself, I get yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give her the ticket because I want to
Speaker 1: do the right thing according to the law. Right and
Speaker 1: and those are called stress tests, and those are generally
Speaker 1: when you a senior cop have been around already, they
Speaker 1: act questions like that. The perfect example. And I'll give
Speaker 1: you one. You gotta fire and you're out there direct
Speaker 1: and traffic, and then you see and then you while
Speaker 1: you're out there direct and traffic, you see somebody burger
Speaker 1: rising a house? What do you do call it? In
Speaker 1: that's what you'reupposed to do. Most people say, I'll run
Speaker 1: over there and do it. But you you forget life
Speaker 1: over property. Yeah, and so you out there saying, you know,
Speaker 1: directing traffic. So you're supposed you're really supposed to be
Speaker 1: out there, what saving lives or preserving something happening to
Speaker 1: a life or injury, and now you want to you
Speaker 1: went away from that for property, so you have, you know,
Speaker 1: questions like that. But it's a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I really think we need to get a better understanding
Speaker 1: why a lot of African Americans either are not applying
Speaker 1: or they're getting denied. And why are they're getting denied
Speaker 1: because I know they're applying, right, we know they're applying,
Speaker 1: but they're definitely not getting hired. They're not in our
Speaker 1: neighborhoods patrolling. Um. You know. So, I think that's a
Speaker 1: question that we don't know the answers to that right now.
Speaker 1: This is the question is yeah, but it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be as many as as the Mexican. But affirmative action
Speaker 1: is supposed to to guarantee some sort of equitable hiring process,
Speaker 1: Like there's women being hired now that that in the
Speaker 1: early eighties, they would never hire them in the lap
Speaker 1: in the early eighties or late seventies. Would you put
Speaker 1: a lot of Mexicans you just said you have versus
Speaker 1: nine percent, you're gonna try to go in with the
Speaker 1: all the games you got in comfort or black majority
Speaker 1: of that's not true the Mexican that's just the one
Speaker 1: you have. The Mexican games are out, she'd be seventy,
Speaker 1: she'd be threes. You have the money bigger compting down
Speaker 1: that seventy Mexican over thirty percent black. That's the ratio.
Speaker 1: When I was a common conficent was seventy the black Mexican.
Speaker 1: But the difference, how can they come over and tell
Speaker 1: me what I need to do and they don't know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Who already? Man? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know better than I do. Use the police. And
Speaker 1: you know how like going to certain neighborhoods and certain people,
Speaker 1: the black games ain't been in respect of these officers
Speaker 1: because they they don't see black officers at there. So
Speaker 1: what does they do? They keep getting on. They're gonna
Speaker 1: run and run, and then it should get worser. And
Speaker 1: then how does it look when you have a Latino
Speaker 1: Mexican deputy or officers shooting and killing a black gang
Speaker 1: member that ends up being unarmed, like just happened in
Speaker 1: the Compton a seat of black pirrou dude got shot
Speaker 1: and killed by a Latino deputy. And how does that look?
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't look good. But like you said,
Speaker 1: when you have uh, you know versus you're gonna have
Speaker 1: that incident where you're gonna have seventy cops all of
Speaker 1: a hundred cops are Mexicans. Should we're basically fighting a
Speaker 1: losing battle. And well, I think I think l A
Speaker 1: is dealing with the same issues. And you see them
Speaker 1: because all of y'all moved up the found town there.
Speaker 1: That's that white power should they do. And you see
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of that police officers doing this.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, should they be here? Oh if you
Speaker 1: get a card doing it? And you don't think they
Speaker 1: deal with it when they when they catch her, and
Speaker 1: you don't think they deal with the losers. I just
Speaker 1: think the old gang social media will get you five
Speaker 1: quicker than anything in law. Enforce that police, our ship,
Speaker 1: our own self. Look the shaff the new sheriff of
Speaker 1: l A, l A sheriff that he just rehired a
Speaker 1: bunch of deputies that were lost their jobs. He put them,
Speaker 1: he put them in an upper management because he had
Speaker 1: to get his boys. And that's one thing you better
Speaker 1: do against the wishes of the county border supervisors. That
Speaker 1: was one incident. I think you won't hired two people
Speaker 1: one or two one or two people, but most of
Speaker 1: the people who brought back it was because he was
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of that. But that's his mentality.
Speaker 1: I know, it's just one or two people. But his
Speaker 1: mentality gives are bad cops. But I'm rehiring him. His
Speaker 1: thing was that he didn't feel that they should have
Speaker 1: been terminated in the first But that's not a decision
Speaker 1: to make the county border supervisor count you know, the
Speaker 1: five county border super the county his budget. We were
Speaker 1: the balls stuff that, Sarah, because we don't voted to man, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know of the budget. That's it. They just control.
Speaker 1: They can give him a dollar versus a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: That's all they can do on because he's voted. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a you know, he's voted by the people.
Speaker 1: But the control that they have over the sheriff is
Speaker 1: the budget. You know, he can go and request this
Speaker 1: amount of money and they'd be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we're not giving you that. So that's why you gotta
Speaker 1: play ball with him a little bit. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that the sheriff is starting off kind of on a
Speaker 1: shaky ground already. Oh yeah, you know. He but that's
Speaker 1: how he won. That's how he We have never had
Speaker 1: a sitting share losing the election. I don't know how
Speaker 1: Jim McDonald lost that and actually Jim McDonald favorite. He
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite. He comes from Low Beach
Speaker 1: and all of that slice permament. But they hated he
Speaker 1: was not he's not a politician. No, it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a good old boy. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: about the share They are a good old boy system.
Speaker 1: They take care of with that with within. Then so
Speaker 1: they got or well he went to Long Beach. He
Speaker 1: went out there to the beach. But that's what happened,
Speaker 1: and he seems appeared to have been a good guy.
Speaker 1: He just wasn't a sharer. And they are a good,
Speaker 1: good old boys system. They got rid of them quick.
Speaker 1: You figured you get ten thousands, you get ten thousand
Speaker 1: UM sharffs against you, and they go tell all their
Speaker 1: family members to vote and get out a vote. What what?
Speaker 1: What the sheriff one with a million votes in UM
Speaker 1: in the l A county If that because we don't
Speaker 1: get out the vote like we shared, the likelihood of
Speaker 1: seeing a black person lead the sheriff's department is probably
Speaker 1: almost impossible because it's all it's all politics, politics, which
Speaker 1: I'm here's a question the lp D. It's all about appointments.
Speaker 1: Sheriff is about elections. Elections, what's the better system? Share off?
Speaker 1: But once you get elected, you control all the other positions, correct,
Speaker 1: So basically all of those positions are elected because one
Speaker 1: guy gets elected. So I've always felt that elections should
Speaker 1: be out of policing. That's a good point. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? That's a good point. But then
Speaker 1: you have politicians running a police department. Do you want that?
Speaker 1: Because politicians an't gonna go about what their preachers say,
Speaker 1: you know, then you have your ministers and your pastors
Speaker 1: running running police department. Well, in Los Angeles, I don't
Speaker 1: think the mayor has uh power to to fire the
Speaker 1: chief of police. Well, he said the commission, that's but
Speaker 1: he the one that appoints him. In the city of
Speaker 1: l A. No, I think he just recommends, he approves it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the mayor's final decision. I think
Speaker 1: he do all departmental heads unlike most city managers. Usually
Speaker 1: that's the city manager job in most cities, But the
Speaker 1: mayor of l A is the city manager for But
Speaker 1: the mayor always goes with the with the commission says anyways,
Speaker 1: that really because he appoints the commission. Yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: not really the mayor's decision, but he has the final state.
Speaker 1: He does, but one has a mayor went against the
Speaker 1: commission's suggestion. You know, I don't think it's happened a
Speaker 1: long time. I don't know, But yeah, man, this whole
Speaker 1: police verse gang thing is a conversation that we're gonna
Speaker 1: be having for years. I truly believe. But me personally,
Speaker 1: I say, don't even involve in him right now because
Speaker 1: we could do it ourselves. It just takes each neighborhood
Speaker 1: to police itself. That's where that's where the big homies
Speaker 1: come in at. But we need money though. This is
Speaker 1: what we need resource intervention and prevention. It requires money. Okay,
Speaker 1: it starts. It starts with the parking recreation something. We
Speaker 1: save money. We save money. Every neighborhood in the City
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles comes to everywhere else generates money. Money
Speaker 1: come through? Is it you gotta spend your money, You
Speaker 1: gotta spend money on doesn't cometing? Do you really see
Speaker 1: that generating money? I ain't said no business, no black
Speaker 1: own business. I'm saying street money. Guys got money out there, man,
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna put it back into uh?
Speaker 1: Into the neighborhood. Why not. It's gonna benefit you in
Speaker 1: the long run anyway, it's gonna benefit were you speaking
Speaker 1: what Nipsey did. That's what Nipsey was trying to do.
Speaker 1: He was trying to appreciate he was doing that. But
Speaker 1: all he had in there, well, I'm not gonna shoot
Speaker 1: him down. I like what he was doing as far
Speaker 1: as the business and stuff like that. But you look
Speaker 1: at the businesses that he had in that little shopping
Speaker 1: center generated. It's from boots, a boost Folk, a barbershop,
Speaker 1: a tax preparation in a clothing star. Not hard. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a great start, especially for that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It's great. I like what he did with the business
Speaker 1: class right. Yeah, before you knew it, he would have
Speaker 1: had the gas station. Uh you know, he would have
Speaker 1: probably had the chicken place across the st. Think what
Speaker 1: he was doing was great, don't don't don't you know
Speaker 1: other than Lebron James, as far as somebody we know,
Speaker 1: because you know with that schooling and buying people bicycles,
Speaker 1: that that's you know, we we all forget about that
Speaker 1: when he did in his neighborhood what he did, if
Speaker 1: more people can do what like Lebron James and all
Speaker 1: that come back and do things like that, then I
Speaker 1: think that's a great start. But we only have Lebron
Speaker 1: them seeing. Yeah, it's not it's not enough of us
Speaker 1: doing that. That's why we need the government to provide resources. Um,
Speaker 1: the government ain't gonna give you nothing. Government don't want
Speaker 1: to give you nothing. Now that grid, the grid is
Speaker 1: the government. Look at all these on these on these
Speaker 1: black rappers enter Chine. We got If these guys don't
Speaker 1: want to spend a few dollars to help the people,
Speaker 1: for us to get back, for for them to get
Speaker 1: on their people, for their kids to be safe. It's
Speaker 1: just a life investment. Y'all don't see it that way.
Speaker 1: But I mean somebody got to just like what you
Speaker 1: think if I can go out of and spens on
Speaker 1: your CD and you you're you're, you were two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars, what is it gonna go shoot you?
Speaker 1: You spend that in a nightclub making it rain? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. Actually, my dad used to say the same thing.
Speaker 1: Every black rich entertainer can solve have these problems if
Speaker 1: they put their money to it, but they never do.
Speaker 1: Let's talk I remember saying something, well, Dr Dre, I
Speaker 1: know he did, and that was with Jimmy Ivan to
Speaker 1: usc okay Um. But he was supposed to build arts,
Speaker 1: uh or something like that. How's that project going? You
Speaker 1: know anything about that? He gave like fire to me
Speaker 1: And I was in the city of Compton to build
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to had like arts? Like like
Speaker 1: I think Redondo Beach has that arts center or something
Speaker 1: like that. Dre supports the Compton Airport and the school
Speaker 1: they got their teaching black people had to fly. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of the most amazing airports I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Who's teaching like ten year old black people to fly planes?
Speaker 1: So so I'm saying people are doing that. We probably
Speaker 1: just haven't really heard them. But maybe we need to
Speaker 1: make people more accountable and doing things like that. That
Speaker 1: program indirectly helps the bigger problem, but we need programs
Speaker 1: to directly work on the gang problem. Like that will
Speaker 1: help kids, that will inspire kids to become pla years.
Speaker 1: We don't lost everybody. I never you have. As a whole,
Speaker 1: there's a few that's going to come out and gonna
Speaker 1: be great, successful people. But as a whole, I think
Speaker 1: we don't lost. But my thing is, let's get back
Speaker 1: to these five year old ten year olds and let's
Speaker 1: do something with them that's that's not to see then
Speaker 1: and now to doing the right things for the programs
Speaker 1: that you're speaking. And that's why I went back to
Speaker 1: the parking recreation and you know the baseball diamonds and
Speaker 1: the good coaching and uh and and the sports stuff
Speaker 1: that I you know, I live out in Corona and
Speaker 1: and and you see the baseball diamonds and stuff they
Speaker 1: have out here. I know they built one that come
Speaker 1: to college that's supposed to be nice and stuff. But
Speaker 1: we need more of them out there. We were I
Speaker 1: look at the Dodgers, the Dodgers right now, you know
Speaker 1: what many African America, well, I don't like to use
Speaker 1: the word African Black Americans that's on the all sanding
Speaker 1: of the Dodgers right now. Very few. That means very
Speaker 1: that's just baseball but zero. Yeah, but Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of black folks anymore. But
Speaker 1: I'm just because we're not out there. Who's coaching though?
Speaker 1: Who do we know that's out here that that's took
Speaker 1: the time With the year Little League took a decline
Speaker 1: after the riots of two because what they started putting
Speaker 1: the resources into law enforcement and took them away from
Speaker 1: the parking wreck. So I think all those programs are important,
Speaker 1: but we need to directly deal with the gangs. What
Speaker 1: do you do? You suggest that what we gotta we
Speaker 1: have what's called intervention and prevention. Right, So what James
Speaker 1: was talking about with his nephew, that's intervention because they
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about with the five year old
Speaker 1: and sixty that's prevention. So it's a lot of times
Speaker 1: we just throw those two words together like it's the
Speaker 1: same thing, but it's not. So we need separate prevention programs.
Speaker 1: But then we need that direct intervention. That's when we're
Speaker 1: dealing with the sixteen seventeen. Say, well, we got training
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but do they let you under
Speaker 1: training schools without a g D or they don't have
Speaker 1: to be a real school. It could be just a
Speaker 1: program that's set up in the community that teaches sixteen
Speaker 1: and seventeen year olds how to use a video camera,
Speaker 1: how to edit film and video. And you might get
Speaker 1: one of these kids that's the worst out there. Just
Speaker 1: be like, wow, this is amazing. I want to learn
Speaker 1: how to use this camera and I can shoot my
Speaker 1: own videos. Oh, I can edit my own videos, and
Speaker 1: he might just start being inspired by this little program.
Speaker 1: But that requires money. It's easy to say because just
Speaker 1: like your wife was saying, you teach them young. You
Speaker 1: get them when they four and five years old, and
Speaker 1: you teach them this ain't away. That's the prevention, and
Speaker 1: that's the good thing about it. But then you've got
Speaker 1: the other my nephews them, so you got you gotta
Speaker 1: have somewhere for them to go. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying for this, Okay, but behind much teaching something, how
Speaker 1: do we learn something a different I ain't. I ain't
Speaker 1: learned nothing myself. But what I taught myself. I taught
Speaker 1: myself how to fix breaks just looking at my grandfather
Speaker 1: do it. And then okay, I had a knack at it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the solutions for a lot of
Speaker 1: these the ones that you've already gave up on. Um
Speaker 1: teaching them skills, not through g D or traditional education ways,
Speaker 1: because a lot of these kids aren't prepared for that,
Speaker 1: but teaching them maybe mechanic having a mechanic spot in
Speaker 1: in Compton, imagine if you had a mechanic school in
Speaker 1: Compton to teach teenagers, how many of those kids off
Speaker 1: the street would actually go to that? A lot of
Speaker 1: them would. And they have buildings over there, and they
Speaker 1: had over the old Edison building on bullets role. Okay,
Speaker 1: So with that, all it takes is people like like
Speaker 1: a game that's say he's with it or people with money.
Speaker 1: This is how you put back in your community, knowing
Speaker 1: it's going somewhere right instead of blowing it. So you
Speaker 1: get them or whomever, and they invest their money, they
Speaker 1: invest in this building. You get maybe eight teachers start
Speaker 1: off with five to teach these different skills, breaks, water
Speaker 1: pumps or whatever. Once that get going, you can explain,
Speaker 1: but you can you can expand. It ain't like he
Speaker 1: losing money, because he's getting taxes off of it. Here
Speaker 1: doing you're not losing. You're not losing. So opposed to
Speaker 1: just talking about it, let's be about it, because if
Speaker 1: I had the money, it wouldn't be no question. Let's
Speaker 1: find a building. Let's find somebody that that we can
Speaker 1: put in here that we know ain't gonna run off
Speaker 1: with it or you know, and mess stuff up. So
Speaker 1: let's get people in here to handle this type of stuff.
Speaker 1: How that's great. I mean, on on on the Mexican
Speaker 1: Waters Project over on Central you have things like that
Speaker 1: we don't want, we don't understand, but that's what they are.
Speaker 1: What we want to teach our own How how can
Speaker 1: you said you want the game members to teach it?
Speaker 1: Who you want to teach? Know you you got some cash,
Speaker 1: this more too, but you know you gotta be certified
Speaker 1: to teach. My point is is programs out there, and
Speaker 1: we still have the game problem, and we still have
Speaker 1: the problem that I don't think it's enough programs, so
Speaker 1: you don't think it's And I think they need to
Speaker 1: be spread out throughout the entire city county because because
Speaker 1: I know where I grew up at Man, there's literally
Speaker 1: like nothing around there like programs or educational programs or
Speaker 1: the only thing we got is l a trade tech college.
Speaker 1: But of course you gotta be on that traditional education
Speaker 1: path to go. You know, most of our our youngsters
Speaker 1: are they don't know how to read them write at
Speaker 1: that level, but they can go there and learn water
Speaker 1: pumps or or transmission or rebuilding an engine. Um, they
Speaker 1: can learn those those skills so that you can start
Speaker 1: your own business. And I don't think I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm not for that MICUs being on the corner. You
Speaker 1: move them out and you got that corner, and it's
Speaker 1: black owned everything. No everything, we're doing the hood. We
Speaker 1: go and give our money to everybody else. Why can't
Speaker 1: we get a job at MICUs? Why I get a
Speaker 1: job at minus and you can own your own This
Speaker 1: is helping us instead of making everybody else rich, we
Speaker 1: can help ourselves. Well. I want to believe it's programs
Speaker 1: out there, but like I said, it's not enough, and
Speaker 1: so we just have to research them and get into it.
Speaker 1: Would just like to. I think also another thing that
Speaker 1: the ones that we feel that you know, we've lost them,
Speaker 1: I like to believe that and teach them that there
Speaker 1: is redemption. I mean, I remember when I was in school,
Speaker 1: eighth grade, ninth grade. I mean I was failing and
Speaker 1: I felt that there was no one there for me.
Speaker 1: So all I did was just kept digging a deeper hole,
Speaker 1: digging a deeper hole until someone was there to help me.
Speaker 1: But teaching them redemption, knowing that redemption isn't just about
Speaker 1: going to prison and coming back and changing, but redemption
Speaker 1: is now fifteen fourteen, Oh you're not doing so well,
Speaker 1: but it's okay, you can change, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know about the resources out there. There are so many
Speaker 1: resources out there, there are probably on every corner. But
Speaker 1: it's once again, it goes back to the family structure.
Speaker 1: Who's teaching me this, Who's telling me that there are
Speaker 1: the resources out there? I mean, for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to call I have to hear from another parent.
Speaker 1: You know, there's this happening, there's that happening. So I
Speaker 1: get on it. But who's getting on it for them?
Speaker 1: Who's they're advocating for them? Right? Also, I don't think
Speaker 1: the police support all these programs anyways, because when you
Speaker 1: look at the way these budgets get allocated for prevention, intervention,
Speaker 1: and suppression, where all the money go suppression and little
Speaker 1: bits of pieces get sprinkled into the intervention prevention program.
Speaker 1: And I think we need less suppression. I know your
Speaker 1: most police will say, no, we need suppression because we
Speaker 1: gotta fight crime out there, right, But I think there's
Speaker 1: too much suppression. I agree with it. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what most of your city budgets are going into, uh,
Speaker 1: into law enforcement and fire, law enforcement, fired budgets of
Speaker 1: the city budget is allocated for the law enforcement and detment.
Speaker 1: That has to change at some at some level, whether
Speaker 1: it's the City of Los Angeles or the county or
Speaker 1: some of these other municipalities. Chief need to speak up,
Speaker 1: but no one wants to take less money when it
Speaker 1: comes to law enforcement. For example, I used to hear
Speaker 1: Mayor via Reghost, the former mayor of l A would
Speaker 1: speak locally about crime is low, our gang problem is low,
Speaker 1: We're at a thirty year low. But then he goes
Speaker 1: to Washington, d c. And tell him how it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's how bad it is. So why does he do
Speaker 1: that Because he's trying to get those federal dollars. So
Speaker 1: all and it's all about how you write the report.
Speaker 1: They start telling well, if technically you break in the
Speaker 1: car is an auto burgery? Are are? But no, that's
Speaker 1: petty down, you know, so you keep it low. They
Speaker 1: teach you how to write right reports down. If you
Speaker 1: arrest somebody, you you you're book for auto burglary. But
Speaker 1: if you just go out and follow up a Polarte
Speaker 1: reporter that thing, then you're just making a petty down.
Speaker 1: And so that's the game that they played with the
Speaker 1: that's a cold game the game that they play, playing
Speaker 1: that that that city government is playing, you know, manipulating
Speaker 1: those stats. In fact, there was expose and l a
Speaker 1: times a couple of years about Charlie Beck, the former
Speaker 1: chief of l ap D manipulating those prime statistics. They
Speaker 1: played with the stat They play with the stats. If
Speaker 1: if somebody, uh, if you kept somebody and they got shot,
Speaker 1: its attempted murder is just try to get that an
Speaker 1: assault salt battery, but if not at least you know,
Speaker 1: this assault with daily weapon where they you know, they
Speaker 1: play with those games. They play those it's all about
Speaker 1: what if you get somebody in custody or you think
Speaker 1: you'll be able to uh you have a good leads
Speaker 1: where you can make an arrest and then you can
Speaker 1: put them up to those those high categories. So they
Speaker 1: play with the statistics, they manipulate the data. They go
Speaker 1: to Watchington d C get federal funding and then they
Speaker 1: allocate majority of that money towards suppression and they're not
Speaker 1: really promoting the intervention prevention programs that would actually help
Speaker 1: the city. I mean, that's it in a nutshell right
Speaker 1: there period period. So I mean all of that. I'm
Speaker 1: just how do we help ourselves now? We need a solution.
Speaker 1: The city needed solution, Our people need a solution. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. So somebody gotta figure it out. I mean,
Speaker 1: because everything that they these guys are doing now it's
Speaker 1: gonna be for nothing. You're gonna run into a dad
Speaker 1: war dad in and then what what what happens after that?
Speaker 1: You go right back to doing what we're doing. So
Speaker 1: are we know? Okay, let me let me throw this
Speaker 1: at you. Uh, explain to them what the grid officers
Speaker 1: do and would you want to be that officer. I'm
Speaker 1: not offer the gang enforcement officer. I mean they're out
Speaker 1: there patrolling. They're jumping out, filling out that five cards,
Speaker 1: patting people down out the grid. The Grid guys UM
Speaker 1: and those guys are on there. UM they get alerts
Speaker 1: whenever there's a shooting or homicide. They go out to
Speaker 1: the scene to try to do crowd control, talk to
Speaker 1: the family. They're like counselors. Um. They talked to the
Speaker 1: other side if if they know it's Gang A versus
Speaker 1: Gang B. The Grid guy from Gang A is talking
Speaker 1: to the Great Guy and Gang BY and then they
Speaker 1: meet up at two o'clock in the morning because the
Speaker 1: homicide just happened. So, I mean, it's a tough job.
Speaker 1: That's some good ship though, That's what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: how many. But that's a government that's a government sponsored job.
Speaker 1: They actually but would you be willing to do that?
Speaker 1: That's the problem. See that looks like let's see what
Speaker 1: James got to say. Yeah, yeah, I would do it
Speaker 1: because I mean, just like now, let's make a difference.
Speaker 1: And this is what I want, a difference. I want
Speaker 1: my my kids, my grandkids, and my great grades to
Speaker 1: see Grandpa doing something totally different that's gonna make them
Speaker 1: want to do different and be different. So yeah, my
Speaker 1: doors is open for I've always wanted to have a
Speaker 1: building where I can have kids and talk and talk
Speaker 1: to kids. I've talked to talk about what we want
Speaker 1: to do for kids. But then the were talking about
Speaker 1: because eighteen and you know that that that group of
Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen, some people can't handle seeing their homeboy down
Speaker 1: there on that ground dead. I didn't had a couple
Speaker 1: of them die in my arms, so I know what
Speaker 1: it's like. And you know, I know your story probably
Speaker 1: so I know what it's about. I haven't been on
Speaker 1: both sides. I haven't been on the other side of
Speaker 1: the good. I've been shot both times. So I know
Speaker 1: what it feel like. I know where to feel like
Speaker 1: squeezing the trigger. You know what I'm saying. So you
Speaker 1: you're excited on both sides. But how did you make it?
Speaker 1: Make just you just don't want people to go through
Speaker 1: what you don't went through. You wish they can learn
Speaker 1: from your examples. And yeah, I know what especially people
Speaker 1: is helping and and and by saying my difference helping
Speaker 1: is starting with with family and then then doing this
Speaker 1: So I can do this all day. I can do
Speaker 1: it all. Oh no, we don't. We're all in a
Speaker 1: half and now I'm talking about the show. But get
Speaker 1: out there and chalk and and and and walk with
Speaker 1: keys and chalk all day. So yeah, I would do it. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: well ganks the chronicles, um Man, this is this is
Speaker 1: a section that can go on for for hours. Um
Speaker 1: but we know y'all won't tune in that long, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and end it here. Man, Alex
Speaker 1: was a pleasure man speaking with you and all of
Speaker 1: your knowledge, um Man, appreciate you to me. I'll make
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna check out his YouTube channel, street TV
Speaker 1: street tv on on YouTube x X. What is it
Speaker 1: called what I want to say? Uh, but I still
Speaker 1: got street Gangs dot Com. You can go check that
Speaker 1: out too. Exactly exactly man. So you'll be here from
Speaker 1: Alex a lot. Uh, very knowledgeable brother, and you know
Speaker 1: James once again, Happy birthday brother. And we don't say
Speaker 1: Easter anymore. We say Resurrection Sunday. And did I say
Speaker 1: it right? Probably not, But anyway, you'll have a good one.
Speaker 1: And episode three of aaginst the Chronicles piece up as
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