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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are finishing our Ironheart coverage. Can
Speaker 2: you believe it's already gone? I know, just two weeks crazy? Well,
Speaker 2: we are talking about episodes four, five, and six wrong.
Speaker 1: A strong, A stronger.
Speaker 2: Finish, A finish. And in other great news, we are
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Speaker 1: But first Ironheart. Okay, we open on a flashback episode four,
Speaker 1: A strong episode four like immediately immediately a leap up.
Speaker 2: I think this is maybe my favorite episode of the series.
Speaker 2: Now all taken.
Speaker 1: I'm still very silly, but in a good way.
Speaker 2: I tell like Superhero TV kind of yes.
Speaker 1: And it really feels as if this show knew where
Speaker 1: it wanted to end and for some reason got shortened.
Speaker 1: And the shortening clearly happened I think in the first
Speaker 1: three or middle episode. Yeah, because this is a stronger finish.
Speaker 1: So we open on Parker and Jonathan earlier into their
Speaker 1: criminal careers, and it's interesting that Jonathan is more of
Speaker 1: the instigator, the person who's like, hey, park like we
Speaker 1: can do this, and you know, like so they're breaking
Speaker 1: into a beautiful home. Parker is hesitant, but they have
Speaker 1: good intel. It seems they really seem to know like
Speaker 1: where stuff is in the house. Parker finds it safe,
Speaker 1: he opens it. There's like gold bars and fucking stacks
Speaker 1: of good stuff in there to steal. But then security
Speaker 1: shows up and gets the drop on Parker, and Jonathan
Speaker 1: shoots the guy dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after promising Parker no harm, no one's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 2: The old classic Jonathan killing people. He can't stop killing people. Also,
Speaker 2: I have to say as well, he kind of says, oh,
Speaker 2: how did you find me? Like how did that guy
Speaker 2: get like how did you save me? And Jonathan's like,
Speaker 2: I'm always with you. I started to think at this point,
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, is Jonathan like kind
Speaker 2: of his Mephisto? And I had that felt like there
Speaker 2: was some supernatural kind of but I think it was
Speaker 2: more of just uh paka, like a very overwhelming memory.
Speaker 2: Now that as they call him cousin, Jonathan, though I
Speaker 2: still am feeling some tension between the two romantically, is
Speaker 2: now sadly dead because re Re killed him. Well let
Speaker 2: him die, let's say.
Speaker 1: I agree more on that in a bit, so Parker.
Speaker 1: We go to the present. Parker is thinking about this moment.
Speaker 1: The gang is having a wake for Jonathan downstairs at
Speaker 1: the pizza portion of the headquarters, and they're eating pizza,
Speaker 1: and you know, people are like, should we say a
Speaker 1: few words? Slug says some stuff, The siblings say some stuff.
Speaker 1: All the while Parker is like spiraling and clearly hearing
Speaker 1: domonic voices that we can only assume come from the
Speaker 1: Fisto but possibly also dor Mamu. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he speaks up and he says, you know
Speaker 1: what I'll miss the most about Jonathan His loyalty Meanwhile.
Speaker 2: Re Re is there and he's looking super guilty the
Speaker 2: place for this moment, like she is legit looking, I mean,
Speaker 2: so guilty.
Speaker 1: I think some people are gonna say, well, she she
Speaker 1: didn't kill him, and I agree to you, Like she
Speaker 1: just chose not to save him, which she could have done, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty easily, I think, and then he died, so and
Speaker 1: he did also threaten to kill her, so like it
Speaker 1: was a there's a mean situation there. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think when you that's why I say, when you
Speaker 1: add up the fact that once she had motive to
Speaker 1: see him, she had she had reason to benefit from
Speaker 1: his death, and to the fact that she didn't save him,
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to say that she and she
Speaker 1: killed him.
Speaker 2: I think it's like and I do think that in
Speaker 2: this case. And one of the things that I think
Speaker 2: really does shine about this show and that I've been
Speaker 2: interested to see people react well to, is Reri is
Speaker 2: very far from your kind of standard MCU hero. She
Speaker 2: has a very complicated figure. She's a story and she's
Speaker 2: actually more like a real human being who is like
Speaker 2: under pressure. But yeah, Parker, and also I do think
Speaker 2: this is funny because, like you know, Parker's looking at her,
Speaker 2: and you're hearing these kind of evil dom Mamu, Mephisto,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, like evil kind of whisperings,
Speaker 2: but also like they're right, like she did kill him.
Speaker 2: So I'm also like it's also kind of funny because
Speaker 2: I'm like, does he need to get puppeted? Like she
Speaker 2: is right? Like, but yeah, it's not looking good for
Speaker 2: Ri and Parker's budgeoning relationship as criminal enterprises.
Speaker 1: Yes, partners together and this in this thing. So you know,
Speaker 1: Parker is like, Okay, we got have another heightst coming
Speaker 1: up and everybody's gonna have a job. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: address and is like what about me? And he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a job for you. He says it was
Speaker 1: like menacing way.
Speaker 2: Like a special job. You don't go to that job, please,
Speaker 2: like come on, my girl.
Speaker 1: So re goes home and she and Nat do some
Speaker 1: analysis on the Hood swatch, but they can't They could
Speaker 1: tell it's powerful, but they don't understand the readings they're getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they say, it kind of it reads
Speaker 2: as if it's some kind of combustion inside, but it's
Speaker 2: the powers the Hood. But it's unclear like where the
Speaker 2: combustion would come from.
Speaker 1: Yes, so definitely all the while because of like the
Speaker 1: fact that she can't figure out what this thing is
Speaker 1: and the fact that like Jonathan is clearly so so
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, Parker is clearly so powerful and
Speaker 1: is probably knows that she killed Jonathan and the and
Speaker 1: the kind of veiled threat. You know, re Rea is
Speaker 1: like cracking up. She is becoming increasingly increasingly anxious to
Speaker 1: the just the point of a panic attack, and re
Speaker 1: Re is like, Natalie, why are you acting so like
Speaker 1: why are you so chill about this? And that I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, didn't Jonathan, I don't deserve to die.
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, I want to say, like one, okay,
Speaker 2: so is this is something I found very interesting about
Speaker 2: this scene in general, is like I'm definitely I'm on
Speaker 2: Mephisto hunt at this point because I'm like mishearing stuff
Speaker 2: and she's saying stuff to her mom like is that
Speaker 2: because she's crazy? Is it because she's being influenced? And
Speaker 2: then also is not saying that kind of stuff because
Speaker 2: she is clearly being influenced, because that was a crazy
Speaker 2: thing to just drive. I mean, that was like a
Speaker 2: crazy thing really, But also, as we were talking about
Speaker 2: the other day when we were talking about the first
Speaker 2: half of this or is that just like really prescient
Speaker 2: to the nature of how like AI just tells you
Speaker 2: what you're want to hear?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was like, which one is it?
Speaker 2: But it definitely doesn't seem like it's a normal thing,
Speaker 2: especially with this really funny interaction with Reeby's mom, who
Speaker 2: also needs to go to therapy, yes, and like not
Speaker 2: just accept her dead friend's best friend day I living.
Speaker 1: In Revan listen little and this one, I'm just like, fine,
Speaker 1: let's go with it.
Speaker 2: Natalie then tells, uh, like.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, why don't you call Shuri to help you
Speaker 1: out with whatever? This hood thing great like great suggestion,
Speaker 1: actually good idea. This gives Reread the opportunity to give
Speaker 1: us like a complete exposition dump on the Coanda Forever.
Speaker 1: The events after Wakanda Forever and like what led her.
Speaker 2: Here also made me laugh because like she basically is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't tell Shurry I got kicked out of college,
Speaker 2: I did this, I did that. I'm like, baby, not
Speaker 2: literally you were literally and Wakanda while Shurry like stole
Speaker 2: the black Panther started a war like she's gonna I
Speaker 2: don't think she's gonna judge you. I just I think
Speaker 2: it would actually have been totally fine. But you know,
Speaker 2: that's the nature of being young.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So we goes to see Joe Uh to maybe
Speaker 1: get some help with this. But Joe's houses police tape
Speaker 1: all rounding and guess what, ze Stain got arrested and
Speaker 1: re regoogles it and finds out that, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: her fault because the cops found the biomesh traced it
Speaker 1: to Joe Slash Ezekiel Stain, just like she promised wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: And in a I think quite hard hitting little montage,
Speaker 1: we watch Zeke gets swallowed up like by the prison system,
Speaker 1: of his head shaved, he's getting fingerprinted, he's getting id
Speaker 1: they're checking his gums see he has any like hidden
Speaker 1: knives or needles or anything in there, and it's quite heroic.
Speaker 1: The gang watches the news report about Zeke and his
Speaker 1: connection to the heirloom heist and they're like, how did
Speaker 1: how did Zeke's how did this guy's technology get into
Speaker 1: our heist? And Clown meanwhile, is like, this guy's kind
Speaker 1: of cute, which is interesting, okay, and Parker goes upstairs,
Speaker 1: Oh see thee Parker is upstairs while they're talking about this,
Speaker 1: and he's like taking a full on submerged ice bath.
Speaker 1: I guess to like lower the I think like demonic temperature,
Speaker 1: like getting so hot.
Speaker 2: From them, and he doesn't have his cousin to like
Speaker 2: do tattoos to cool him down anymore.
Speaker 1: We goes to see Zeke in jail, and she's like
Speaker 1: trying to immediately like diffuse with like comedy, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I guess they did trace the bottomus.
Speaker 2: Don't say it, make a joke.
Speaker 1: And then she and you know, Zeke just is like
Speaker 1: staring daggers at her through the glass and she's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I promise to get you out, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you going to do that? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I made I made a huge mistake trusting you. You
Speaker 1: were not trustworthy. You manipulated me into just getting what
Speaker 1: you wanted, and now look at me, I'm in here. Goodbye,
Speaker 1: and re feels terrible, and she's ready to feel terrible.
Speaker 1: She goes back to the gang headquarters and finds out
Speaker 1: that Parker has like hired a new tech person or
Speaker 1: is in the process, is in the like the paperwork
Speaker 1: is not done, you know, but like is in the process.
Speaker 1: I haven't got the docu side back yet. He calls
Speaker 1: her to his office and he's like who the fuck
Speaker 1: is this guy? Zeke, Like what do you know about this?
Speaker 1: And was like who's what's.
Speaker 2: The one? Is like so good at acting like she's
Speaker 2: a bad liar, Like it's really funny to see the
Speaker 2: way that re reinteracts once the heat is on her,
Speaker 2: and Parker.
Speaker 1: Does I think a very smart thing here, which is
Speaker 1: just he just pretends like it not even pretends, like
Speaker 1: he just bulldozes over the lines, like why don't you
Speaker 1: just tell me that you needed help, Like if you
Speaker 1: needed help with some of the tech aspects of the thing,
Speaker 1: like we would have got you help, like and that's
Speaker 1: why I went out and had to hire someone else
Speaker 1: to help you. And re is like completely gagged at them.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She goes back to her apartment. Now she's like
Speaker 1: in full panic mode. She's installing a security system all
Speaker 1: around the house. Natalie is trying to get her to relax.
Speaker 2: Why I can't and relax It's a bad situation.
Speaker 1: Gives her mom like as like you know Ripley and
Speaker 1: aliens giving the little watch. Yeah, gives her gives her
Speaker 1: mom like a smart watch so she'll be able to
Speaker 1: like track her and and there's also like some defensive
Speaker 1: aspects to it. It will protect them, like unbeknownst to them,
Speaker 1: it will create a shield to protect them. Goes to
Speaker 1: see Ze and man is like, why can't I come
Speaker 1: see my brother? And they briefly debate, finally get into
Speaker 1: the stuff about Natalie. This is important and should have
Speaker 1: happened earlier, but I'm glad it's happening now. This is
Speaker 1: really like a meaty conversation. She's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: you're not that's not your brother. You are code. You
Speaker 1: are not a person. You came from my thoughts about
Speaker 1: who Natalie is. And anyway, stay here, guard the house
Speaker 1: and fix the fucking suit and yeah, okay, So we
Speaker 1: goes to say it gives him a smart watch as well,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, hey, do you think I'm a
Speaker 1: good person? And he says, well, it depends on you know,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the other context? But yes, like who
Speaker 1: you are, Like what's the criteria? Yeah, but like yes,
Speaker 1: you're smart and you're a good person. But of course,
Speaker 1: like has no idea that she recently killed Jonathan during
Speaker 1: that's all over the new and that also like a
Speaker 1: person who is not connected to the heist has now
Speaker 1: been kind of framed by her sort of it's anyway,
Speaker 1: it's also clear that he has feelings for her. Reory
Speaker 1: gets home, Nat teases her about Zay, but Reary is
Speaker 1: just like full on, like Parker's coming to get us,
Speaker 1: I know it, and we need to get We need
Speaker 1: to be ready to defend ourselves. And that's like, you
Speaker 1: need to get some sleep, because you do. So, she
Speaker 1: falls asleep and she's, you know, like we can't tell.
Speaker 1: There's this moment where I'm like, is this a dreamer?
Speaker 1: Is this real? She's like checking the security cameras.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they want you to play like it
Speaker 2: feels like it's kind of all consuming her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then she falls back asleep in the suit
Speaker 1: and wakes up to her mom screaming. She like goes
Speaker 1: in in the suit, breaks down.
Speaker 2: Her boots the door down, boots the.
Speaker 1: Door down, and her mom is like, in this orb,
Speaker 1: this defensive shield ORB. And it turned out the smart
Speaker 1: watch the algorithm. The defensive algorithm reacted to like gunshots
Speaker 1: in her mom's television show and placed her in this
Speaker 1: defensive orb. But mom is now like, listen, you got
Speaker 1: to tell me what is happening, because this is a mess.
Speaker 1: Like you're freaking out and clearly something's wrong, but you
Speaker 1: won't say anything about it. And Rerey is like, well,
Speaker 1: I do need to relax. I do need to calm down.
Speaker 1: Maybe like her mom is into like crystals and sound
Speaker 1: baths and all this kind of stuff like I'll let
Speaker 1: you do your sound bath kind of relaxation magic on me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh so I just want to say, you know,
Speaker 2: we did talk about this before. Yeah, but like if
Speaker 2: you can make a watch that reacts that way, you
Speaker 2: can basically like make people immorts. Also, again, your money.
Speaker 2: I feel like MIT would have funded this project that
Speaker 2: you made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go get investments like this.
Speaker 2: Means on this specific thing. It's really interesting, could be
Speaker 2: utilized in multiple different ways. Could be great people with
Speaker 2: kids who conways be like who they got a baby
Speaker 2: is and maybe get a fall over. I'd know, put
Speaker 2: it in this funny orb. I feel like, really you're
Speaker 2: missing a lot of marketing opportunities and see how you're
Speaker 2: leaving billions on the floor.
Speaker 1: Base absolutely could not agree more. So they go to
Speaker 1: Reebe's mom takes her to h miss Stanton's store, which
Speaker 1: is like a crystals and candles and tarot stuff store.
Speaker 1: It's this and also like.
Speaker 2: Book different things. Yes, really fun.
Speaker 1: And so they go there and we meet Zelma, missus
Speaker 1: Stanton's daughter, and Zella immediately senses that really has something
Speaker 1: powerful on her. First of all, is we find out
Speaker 1: is carrying a piece of that hood swatch in her pocket,
Speaker 1: just casually, just.
Speaker 2: Like not even like in a little bag, in a
Speaker 2: little she just holding that thing. But maybe that's the power.
Speaker 1: It could be a good point, yeah, And so Zelma
Speaker 1: does some handtutting and then boom opens a portal takes
Speaker 1: her mom, Miss Stanton, re Re and Rere's mom to
Speaker 1: this workshop that she has in some other dimension. And
Speaker 1: Revere's mom is freaking out. Miss Stanton is like, I
Speaker 1: told you to never do magic without telling me. I
Speaker 1: told you to not set up secret rooms in other
Speaker 1: dimensions without time. I've done a lot of stuff without
Speaker 1: telling me, but like why, And Zelma's like because of this?
Speaker 1: And then they the piece of the hood comes out
Speaker 1: and they start doing some work on it, and they're
Speaker 1: both very alarmed. We find out that Zelma was born
Speaker 1: at comartage. Her mom apparently was in the sorcery program
Speaker 1: there but dropped out no longer involved in it, and
Speaker 1: this swatch is super super super dangerous. It comes from
Speaker 1: like a dark dimension, possibly the darkest dimension, and is
Speaker 1: clearly tied to some very very evil and palaving.
Speaker 2: We get the dor Marmou name drop. Yeah, like they
Speaker 2: lean into that. They show us a very Mephisto looking
Speaker 2: sketch of dor Marmu. I was really happy to see
Speaker 2: Zelma appear here. I think this is one of the
Speaker 2: my probably my favorite sequence from the whole show, because
Speaker 2: I think it brings something totally different to the MCU.
Speaker 2: We haven't really seen this kind of idea of magic that,
Speaker 2: as Matt's Missus Stanton kind of explains, it is like
Speaker 2: Zelma's had to create her own magic that kind of
Speaker 2: mixes her being where she was raised in Chicago here
Speaker 2: rather than in the Bronx in the comics, and kind
Speaker 2: of like how that interacts with what her mum knew
Speaker 2: from carmouitage, and they're kind of generational like magic that
Speaker 2: they share THO, it's so fun. This is a pretty
Speaker 2: new like ish character like ten years old from a
Speaker 2: first in Doctor Strange, but probably created by Jason and
Speaker 2: Chris pa'charlo what team.
Speaker 1: In the in the Stranger, Kay you meet her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Strange Academy is the best stuff. That's like the
Speaker 2: stuff that makes me.
Speaker 1: It's very very fun title if you really fun.
Speaker 2: And also that's where this kind of idea of the Neverish,
Speaker 2: which is sort of this kind of like world within
Speaker 2: world's kind of pocket universe that she is kind of
Speaker 2: created is And yeah, just really fun. I love Strange
Speaker 2: Academy and yeah, it's so fun. And Zalma's just like yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean this is probably to do it Dormmu and
Speaker 2: and dude, she and missus Stanton is like pissed. She's like,
Speaker 2: get the fuck out, bro, this is like get it
Speaker 2: out of my shop, Like what.
Speaker 1: The yeah you get this, Get this dorm Mamu ship
Speaker 1: out of here. This is beyond because that's kind of
Speaker 1: that's like Sorcerer Supreme type stuff. And they're not exactly
Speaker 1: the level of No one wants to be like fighting Dormmaly. No,
Speaker 1: that's too much so. Elsewhere, Parker uses his magic to
Speaker 1: get into Zeke's jail cell and he's like, hey, what's
Speaker 1: up with re Re. Do you know her? And he's
Speaker 1: basically is like yes. And then Parker's like, well, guess what.
Speaker 1: We need a new tech person, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a job.
Speaker 2: I also, I just want to say I love again.
Speaker 2: Shout out uh to Alden. He's so funny in this scene. Right,
Speaker 2: He's like great, He's like, he's like, great hallucinations, the
Speaker 2: last thing I need. His response to this guy just
Speaker 2: walking into his cell is like so fantastic. But it
Speaker 2: also is a great interaction by these two people who
Speaker 2: have now been joined by how they feel like they've
Speaker 2: been wronged by by re Re.
Speaker 1: Re Re breaks into Zeke's vault because she feels like
Speaker 1: this is this there's totally no respect, but also like
Speaker 1: this is a this is a safer place to like
Speaker 1: do some work on the suit. During the break in,
Speaker 1: Natalie is like blabbing about, oh, the hood, it must
Speaker 1: be something really ancient, it must be something really old.
Speaker 1: She's going on and on and realize re Re realizes
Speaker 1: then that this problem is probably more than she can handle.
Speaker 1: So she flies back to Chicago, and she's completely freaking
Speaker 1: out because of the danger they're facing. Meanwhile, at night
Speaker 1: in the prison, Zeke's door opens and with the help
Speaker 1: of the gang, he just basically walks like right out
Speaker 1: of prison straight to the loading dock where they're waiting. Well,
Speaker 1: that was a prey rad sequence. It was fun, yeah,
Speaker 1: really fun, and he just like walks out. Re Rey
Speaker 1: sends the suit by itself to.
Speaker 2: Go get Zay. We think, but no, it was Natalie.
Speaker 1: She did it on her own. Because re Rey is
Speaker 1: like complete panic attack, almost nonverbal by the stress. Natalie
Speaker 1: brings Zay there to like talk to her. Zay is
Speaker 1: like horrified when he comes face to face with Natalie
Speaker 1: and basically and this is like Natalie did not think
Speaker 1: that this would happen, but really, he basically says to
Speaker 1: you had no right to do this. You had no
Speaker 1: right to resurrect my sister, like this, that's not my sister.
Speaker 1: He's really right, He's making a lot of sense. And
Speaker 1: Rerey is like, well, you know, it was an accident.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do it. And anyway, like once
Speaker 1: you get to know her, it's pretty odd, Like she's
Speaker 1: pretty great it's very Natalie, Like Zay wants really immediately
Speaker 1: to delete Natalie, like delete this. This is like horrific
Speaker 1: to have this like doppelganger of my sisters. I thought,
Speaker 1: this is like such an she needed to tea this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had to question, Like, Zay is definitely
Speaker 2: one of the characters where you don't get to know
Speaker 2: a lot about him in this context, and in the
Speaker 2: six episodes we get we don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: time with him. But I felt like this was a
Speaker 2: really important scene because.
Speaker 1: He she needed to hear this.
Speaker 2: She did, and he has that response of like, this
Speaker 2: isn't my sister and actually it's this spectful to kind
Speaker 2: of yeah, tend it is, which I thought was a
Speaker 2: really interesting and like normal response.
Speaker 1: That's a normal person response.
Speaker 2: Yeah, normal person response that we haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1: So Zay throws the watch AT's feet and just storms off.
Speaker 1: At gang headquarters, Zeke is getting to work now, getting
Speaker 1: his like tech operation up and running. At the pizza base.
Speaker 1: He shaves his head and Slug helps him install like
Speaker 1: all the nude like neuralink stuff, and as Zeke screams
Speaker 1: in horrifying pain, Parker that tells the gang that their
Speaker 1: next job is killing reread uh. Oh, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back with episode five,
Speaker 1: and we're back. Natalie is hanging out in the suit
Speaker 1: watching the video that opens the series, watching the rest
Speaker 1: of the video where we get more of that conversation. It's,
Speaker 1: you know, re Re and Natalie just talking about their lives.
Speaker 1: Natalie is learning more about herself, She's learning more about
Speaker 1: re Re. Uh and I found myself wondering if she
Speaker 1: was wondering now like am I Natalie? Like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: how I felt like, am I this person?
Speaker 2: Like what do I have to be this person? Do
Speaker 2: I need to understand this? Or yeah, it's really really interesting.
Speaker 1: But before she can really get too far down that road,
Speaker 1: she's ambushed and captured by Slug in the suit. So
Speaker 1: she's in the suit, captured by Slug. He'ses like this
Speaker 1: big magnet to capture. Re Re and Zelma are at
Speaker 1: White Castle, and Zelma is showing re Rely sketches of
Speaker 1: Dormamu and saying like this is who you're up against,
Speaker 1: Like this is who probably created that, and this is
Speaker 1: he's really powerful. Here's what happened in Doctor st Range
Speaker 1: The first movie with commerce, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Kill me about that? Like that also, like do you
Speaker 2: know their name? Dropping the mad to Michaels Celia give
Speaker 2: everybody thinks about anymore. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: good for you, Zelma, you've been keeping up on You'll
Speaker 2: love the Zelma. Zelma and Kamalakon definitely friends on like
Speaker 2: the Wikis the superhero Wikis because she knows that stuff.
Speaker 1: She knows her all her Phase two stuff, and so
Speaker 1: Zelma is is like listen. Parker is definitely like under
Speaker 1: the thrall of Dormmu and dor Mamu or whoever is
Speaker 1: controlling him. One does not care about Parker. He is
Speaker 1: just a means to an end, just a tool, and
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to like kind of eliminate Parker
Speaker 1: and is like what what does that mean? And Zella's
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to kill this guy, like he'll
Speaker 1: have to die. And before re Re can really process this,
Speaker 1: the gang comes into White Castle. It's the siblings and
Speaker 1: is like, Zelda, get out of here. This is none
Speaker 1: of your business. Even though I'm like re Rey, you
Speaker 1: don't have your suit and Zella could probably help, like
Speaker 1: why are you sending Zelma away. Anyway, Alma has been
Speaker 1: the most helpful person in this situation. I think couldn't
Speaker 1: she just like put you in a different dimension would
Speaker 1: have been a good yeah.
Speaker 2: Like just likes. I think Re's big lesson she has
Speaker 2: to learn in this is like not to do everything
Speaker 2: by herself. So I'm just sad the nature of it.
Speaker 2: But I was also like, keep Zelma please because I
Speaker 2: love Alma and also she could help you.
Speaker 1: So it's the siblings. There is a really fun fight
Speaker 1: like across the White Castle. Real is all the while
Speaker 1: trying to call Natalie, but Natalie is not answering because
Speaker 1: we know Natalie has been captured in the suit. Just
Speaker 1: when you think the siblings are gonna take down, really,
Speaker 1: she uses her smarts and the shield that's in Za's
Speaker 1: watch to trap them like in this.
Speaker 2: She throws it at them and when they shoot the gun, boom,
Speaker 2: it pops up and blocks the bullet. Nice, very smart,
Speaker 2: also well established without exposition because of the sequence with
Speaker 2: the mom just good, good word, good luck.
Speaker 1: This is a in a lot of ways. I think
Speaker 1: four is the best episode, but five has my favorite
Speaker 1: moments because I love this showdown with the gang Now
Speaker 1: it's clown. Clown is outside and is like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get through me now.
Speaker 2: Also really fun crazy character work being done by the
Speaker 2: acts who plays Clown, Like, I want to see more of.
Speaker 1: That clouds, you know, a lot of personality from down Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I feel it.
Speaker 2: I need to see them again. I am enjoying it.
Speaker 1: While that is happening, Natalie is in the van driven
Speaker 1: by Slug and is like trying to work out, like
Speaker 1: how am I going to get out of this magnet thing?
Speaker 1: So she pulls out like a circular saw, one of
Speaker 1: the pizza circular saws that every suit has to have.
Speaker 2: The pizza also has one of those, like you it.
Speaker 1: Must have the pizza circuit. So uh, you know, Really
Speaker 1: is fighting with Clown and is telling her listen, I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill John. That's a flat out lie,
Speaker 1: but also I respect it. Clown is, you know, stalking
Speaker 1: re Re across the White Castle. It's very much like
Speaker 1: the lasts the Raptor scene in in Jurassic Park crossed
Speaker 1: with the Last of Us creature like a boss scene.
Speaker 1: So Real smarts Clown with this kind of like gas
Speaker 1: canister cannon that she makes and then gets it. Now
Speaker 1: she's running down the street. Slug sees her to run
Speaker 1: her down in the van, but before she can, Natalie
Speaker 1: has popped out of the magnet and she suits re
Speaker 1: Re up just in time, and the van like gets
Speaker 1: crushed and Slug gets thrown. And now our heroes are
Speaker 1: suited up and it looks like they're gonna win this one.
Speaker 1: Nat and Reary are arguing about whether or not she's human.
Speaker 2: This is what I mean. Look at how good they
Speaker 2: was so well set for success, but they just need
Speaker 2: to do some quiet and have this conversation.
Speaker 1: They can't have this conversation. It turns out Natalie was
Speaker 1: really hurt by what Zay said, which is like, listen, Natalie,
Speaker 1: you need to really sit with what this person who
Speaker 1: was the brother of the person you are based on.
Speaker 1: You need to really fit and process the emotions that
Speaker 1: he's having and then not making it about yourself because
Speaker 1: that's toxic and not what we need right right now.
Speaker 1: So but then the suit malfunctions and re re crashes
Speaker 1: and it's because of Zeke, and it's Zeke is here,
Speaker 1: his his he's all powered up with his new neuralink tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, I just want to like
Speaker 2: shout out the fact that, like so in the comics, right,
Speaker 2: Zeke has like many of his own suits. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love that. In this show they were like, re Re
Speaker 2: is the one who needs a good looking suit, and
Speaker 2: she gets it. That's one of my favorite moments, honestly
Speaker 2: in recent MCU stuff. Is in is in the next
Speaker 2: episode with the suit. But I will just say, like
Speaker 2: I love that they were like, Okay, how can we
Speaker 2: save some money. Just stick some little stickers on it,
Speaker 2: little stickers on him, and he's fine. And I appreciate
Speaker 2: that because, you know what, he doesn't need a nice
Speaker 2: looking suit. Re Re does. So.
Speaker 1: Re Re is horrified by what Zeke has apparently done
Speaker 1: to himself with Parker's help, and she tries to get
Speaker 1: Zeke to stand down by being like, listen, it's all
Speaker 1: my fault. Okay, it's my fault that you got put
Speaker 1: in jail. It's my fault that you're now working with Parker.
Speaker 1: I am going to take full responsibility and fix it.
Speaker 1: I promise. And Zeke's like, it's too late for that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm too strong for you now.
Speaker 1: You can't do anything. Hew. He basically just like powers
Speaker 1: down her suit easily peels her out of it, like
Speaker 1: peeling an orange.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: When you're thinking, oh, now he's going to kill her,
Speaker 1: he's like, now get out of town.
Speaker 2: Yes I go again, another great, unexpected, kind of wonderful character.
Speaker 2: Yes we get we will get to see more of
Speaker 2: it here, but like what a Zeke's palace. Now, Like
Speaker 2: he's like Palpatine. That's he's just.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a knockoff Palpatine, I crossed with lawnmower Man.
Speaker 1: So he's like, listen, get out of town before Parker
Speaker 1: finds out that I let you live, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. This is a moment of tenderness
Speaker 1: and kindness. Yeah, so he just like leaves her and
Speaker 1: the suit just like all mangled in the street. Mom
Speaker 1: lets really absolutely have it. When she gets home and
Speaker 1: is like, you're not you're not telling us what's going on,
Speaker 1: and clearly this is very serious. But Ory's like, listen,
Speaker 1: not now, I need your help, and she can tell that.
Speaker 1: You can see that Rory's banged up, has been in
Speaker 1: a fight, and Mom like really gives her some like
Speaker 1: important truths right now. It's like, listen, you're obsessed with
Speaker 1: your suit. To an unhealthy degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You know why, And then Rory says, because, like I
Speaker 1: want to make sure what happened to Dad and Natalie
Speaker 1: never happens to anyone else. That's why I want to
Speaker 1: like create this technology that protects people and protects my
Speaker 1: loved ones. And I'm also going to help people who
Speaker 1: are in that situation. And Natalie is like, I we
Speaker 1: need to leave Chicago right now. It's too dangerous for
Speaker 1: us here. But then Mom convinces re Read to stand
Speaker 1: and fight. This I didn't love and kind of it's
Speaker 1: it comes back to my thing of at some point
Speaker 1: we read like needs to like stand up and make
Speaker 1: a choice. She does eventually make a choice, and it's
Speaker 1: one that is wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will get to that. We will see, we
Speaker 2: will see if the choice gets made also as well.
Speaker 2: Like I would say, I also my biggest feeling about
Speaker 2: this conversation is like I just and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff actually in this episode that I just wish
Speaker 2: we'd got to, like episode two. I feel like I
Speaker 2: feel like that would have set Rea up in a
Speaker 2: better situation to be able to make the choice to
Speaker 2: kind of go and fight. But I get it. It's
Speaker 2: kind of this. It's meant to showcase like who re
Speaker 2: Re listens to, and like this connection between her and
Speaker 2: my mom.
Speaker 1: Her create this feeling of this community that like is
Speaker 1: lifting her up. And I get that. I just wish
Speaker 1: it would have provided her with a little bit more agency.
Speaker 1: See they go to the garage. Mom convinces that, or
Speaker 1: at least tells her that the bad things that have
Speaker 1: happened to you, to us, to this family are One
Speaker 1: they are things you have to accept. They happened. They happened,
Speaker 1: and you have to accept it. And two you have
Speaker 1: to also accept that they molded you and made you
Speaker 1: what you are, Like your genius, your suits, all of
Speaker 1: these things that you're so passionate about are part they
Speaker 1: come from this, Like they are part of this, So
Speaker 1: we need to accept these things. We see this really
Speaker 1: kind of touching moment where Dad is letting Rereno that
Speaker 1: she's being a little bit obsessive about like her work
Speaker 1: and the things she's the things she wants to do,
Speaker 1: her inventions, et cetera. She's stressing herself out. It's something
Speaker 1: that I think, to your point, it would have been
Speaker 1: nice to have earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because also the message is really great where it's
Speaker 2: kind of like it's very important to see this, like
Speaker 2: showing this and that is also going like, hey, remember
Speaker 2: you actually like don't need to only think about the
Speaker 2: bad stuff, like you actually need to focus on why
Speaker 2: we need to care about this and this relationship you
Speaker 2: had with him. And again, I feel like that would
Speaker 2: have been a great earlier kind of introduction to build
Speaker 2: out her life with Gary a little bit more. And
Speaker 2: we got it a little bit, but I would have
Speaker 2: loved to see some more of this. Also, Uh again,
Speaker 2: can I just put this out there please? Another thing
Speaker 2: really living billions on the ground. Tony Stark tried to
Speaker 2: do a version of this. We saw him do it
Speaker 2: where he sees his parents. It didn't even look this cool.
Speaker 2: You could do this. You can do this in a
Speaker 2: better way than Tony Stark. You already have this, babe, Babe.
Speaker 2: You could literally just no need to do thet and
Speaker 2: a holographic like vacation. It's like fucking total reco shit
Speaker 2: without a horrible surgery like this is. You have the technology,
Speaker 2: You and Natalie could be making a lot of money, baby.
Speaker 1: That's right. We also get this wonderful other flashback where
Speaker 1: we see how the iron Heart name kind of came
Speaker 1: about where a wrench fell on Rey's head and Dad
Speaker 1: christens the wrench iron Head gives her and gives her
Speaker 1: the nickname. Ironhead is moved by all of this, but
Speaker 1: like the question remains, like how can we fight back
Speaker 1: against Parker? Her suits wrecked? And Mom's like surprise, guess what?
Speaker 1: Look outside and there is the Baracuda muscle car that
Speaker 1: Dad gave her. That's a beauty, Like is it condition?
Speaker 2: I'm like the mumboy back in that condition? Like again,
Speaker 2: do you need to do the hest? I feel like
Speaker 2: that money dollars? I know. I'm like who did you
Speaker 2: buy it back from him? Like did real salad? That
Speaker 2: looks stunning.
Speaker 1: So now they're going to get back to work and
Speaker 1: they're going to use this car as the basis for
Speaker 1: a new suit. Back at Pizza HQ, Parker is like
Speaker 1: thrilled with the way the re retakedown went because she's dead, right,
Speaker 1: and Zeke's like, yeah, she did one. She is dead.
Speaker 1: I killed her very clear that Parker who listened, he
Speaker 1: knows about lies because he's dealing with some very powerful
Speaker 1: demonic liars, and he says, you know what this story
Speaker 1: lacks it lacks drama, and he's basically saying like, I
Speaker 1: don't believe you. Clown then fills in the blanks. It's like, well, listen,
Speaker 1: Rey was kicking all of our asses, but then Zeke
Speaker 1: shows up, he destroys her suit and then kills her
Speaker 1: and it was awesome. And then Parker's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was better.
Speaker 2: And trusted in that choice as well. I think it's
Speaker 2: because I think that Clown understands more now what Jonathan
Speaker 2: was really like. She re re revealed to Clown that
Speaker 2: Jonathan had or had Stuart killed or did kill Stuart.
Speaker 2: RP Eric Andre, You're in the show for far too short,
Speaker 2: but I was happy to see you and uh yeah.
Speaker 2: And so Clown is like, okay, well I need to
Speaker 2: find out more about this. So that's how she kind
Speaker 2: of gets Zeke. Like why she gets Zeke on side?
Speaker 2: I think I thought that was a great money.
Speaker 1: I agree. So Parker now is really trying to sell
Speaker 1: Zeke on joining the gang on a permanent basis, but
Speaker 1: Zeke's like, I did this one job and I'm out.
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't want goodbye. I'm leaving. Zay at
Speaker 1: home is listening to music, but then his headphones dies,
Speaker 1: so he picks up the box of the you know,
Speaker 1: the gift headphones that had given him and with that
Speaker 1: crime money, with the crime money, the blood money, blood money,
Speaker 1: and then it comes with a little card with a
Speaker 1: Star Trek symbol on it and some nice words that
Speaker 1: Relyhead writes to him that we don't know what they are.
Speaker 1: In that moment back of the garage, Real is like
Speaker 1: prepping her materials. Landen shows up and is like, Babe,
Speaker 1: you owe me six hundred dollars. I will help you,
Speaker 1: but like you got, you're gonna have to pay up.
Speaker 1: Yeahs is gonna have to get paid to this child.
Speaker 2: Now, can you please pay this child because we know
Speaker 2: now that you have a law of money. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean he's money floating around, Babe, she has to.
Speaker 1: I mean that's not even counting the ten grand that
Speaker 1: Parker gave her on day one, like finders fee money,
Speaker 1: like before the money from the heist. We're rolling in,
Speaker 1: so pay this trust. Yeah. So re re Is is
Speaker 1: in the middle of one of those wonderful Tony Stark
Speaker 1: is freaking out moments, you know where like the genius
Speaker 1: is like losing it. We can't. How are we gonna possibly?
Speaker 1: And then it comes to her she knows now what
Speaker 1: she has to do. If Parker's power comes from a
Speaker 1: magical dimension, she's going to have to discover where that
Speaker 1: dimension is and cut the source of the power. At
Speaker 1: Pizza HQ, new heist planning is underway. Clown. Then out
Speaker 1: of nowhere comes up and is like, you killed Stuart,
Speaker 1: didn't you? Parker? Mister the hood, look at this. I've
Speaker 1: got the autopsy report. It shows and according to this
Speaker 1: evidence that I have found, you lied about what happened
Speaker 1: to Stuart.
Speaker 2: You killed him, didn't you?
Speaker 1: And it's very circumstantial. But also of the entire gang
Speaker 1: is like, you know what, it seems like something you
Speaker 1: would do, Parker. And now he's like hearing voices. More
Speaker 1: of the voices are getting louder, and Parker's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, You're all.
Speaker 2: Fired, that's it. And from the gang about he's like
Speaker 2: really yeah.
Speaker 1: And this turn is so funny to me because the
Speaker 1: entire gang was like very very upset that Parker murdered
Speaker 1: their friend Stuart aka Rampay.
Speaker 2: They're so much more upset about being fired in the moment,
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Come on?
Speaker 1: It is so funny. Zelma then arrives at the Gang
Speaker 1: to help the whole gang show.
Speaker 2: I love the time she shows up. I just like
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm loving it. Where's my strange Academy show.
Speaker 2: She is even now.
Speaker 1: Much more like very very sure that this power that
Speaker 1: the Hood has is coming from Dormoum. But she's like
Speaker 1: less sure than she was previously. It's like forty seven percent,
Speaker 1: not even a coin flip, but like reasonably sure. Zay
Speaker 1: then shows up with coffee and they talk about Natalie
Speaker 1: and really says, well, yeah, like, let's it's not Natalie,
Speaker 1: but it's my perceptions of her. And and he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: we need to have the bigger Natalie talk. Okay, but
Speaker 1: not now. Let's you need help with this. And until
Speaker 1: that is done, we can table the Natalie stuff. But
Speaker 1: that's an important conversation to have later. Let's get down
Speaker 1: to business. So they're constructing. We get a wonderful construction
Speaker 1: montage where they're building the suit and Zelma's painting ruins
Speaker 1: on the building.
Speaker 2: And that sequence with Zelma is like sitting on the
Speaker 2: ceiling and she's like yeaning the ruins and you see
Speaker 2: her upside down. It's so cool. Also, all the Zelma
Speaker 2: stuff is very runaways coded like its year is very
Speaker 2: much like that, which was such a great early kind
Speaker 2: of introduction to the MCU. It's good stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the this is the this is the rumor Williams.
Speaker 1: Builders in a garage of scrim up boxs.
Speaker 2: Like you're literally looking at it and you're like, babe,
Speaker 2: if Mit kicked you out. They are so dumb, let
Speaker 2: them be plagiarizing, like this is you literally built this
Speaker 2: with a car and you just turned it into like
Speaker 2: really sick looking, very sick looking suit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So back in Evanson, Zeke is getting ready to move
Speaker 1: out of town. But when But when Heather across the street,
Speaker 1: the mean, the terrible neighbor, Heather pushes a little too
Speaker 1: far with a comment about Zeke's dad, Obadiah l Rip.
Speaker 1: Zeke kind of flips out a little bit, and he's
Speaker 1: about to like wreck her flowerbed, like for real and
Speaker 1: forever with his little Palpatine powers. But then they sat out.
Speaker 1: And why do they fritz out? It's because Parker, we
Speaker 1: find out, completely controls all of Zeke's bionics, Like like
Speaker 1: Zeke is merely a passenger in his own body now,
Speaker 1: and Parker makes Zeke come with him and they break
Speaker 1: into the mansion from the cold open of the episode
Speaker 1: where we saw the flashback of Jonathan and Parker and
Speaker 1: they get in there and they're gonna apparently steal some
Speaker 1: stuff that they didn't manage to steal in that flash
Speaker 1: in the in the original heist with Jonathan, Parker and
Speaker 1: Hood is making Zeke like take out the security guys
Speaker 1: and he's doing it with ease. They're just like messing
Speaker 1: him up. It's actually kind of funny with yeah, with
Speaker 1: Zeke saying like, I'm so sorry about this, like I
Speaker 1: can't I can't control.
Speaker 2: That's very fun. Also, I liked that we did get
Speaker 2: like a tease that this was gonna happen, because when
Speaker 2: Slug was like reformatting and kind of upgrading the bionics,
Speaker 2: we got this moment where he Parker like snuck over
Speaker 2: and basically was like, make me the administrator, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I love the idea. It's like, yeah, making the administrator
Speaker 2: of this guy's sick palpatine powers. But yeah, again, Alden
Speaker 2: and Parker Hare are really good. Also, I loved Olden
Speaker 2: and she Calay in that moment, I was kind of
Speaker 2: hre they would get more. Those two had really fun chemistry.
Speaker 2: But yes, what is why why are they breaking into
Speaker 2: his house? What do they want? Jason?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, we figure out that the guy
Speaker 1: it's it's the classic Parker thing, where sign this, sign
Speaker 1: this extortion contract and give us the show jobs, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But we find out that this businessman that lives in
Speaker 1: this home is Parker's dad, dog and apparently a really
Speaker 1: terrible dad who Parker's like, you threw me out of
Speaker 1: the house when I was a cue, threw me out
Speaker 1: into the streets, and I fucking love the dad's response
Speaker 1: is so good, it's so buying.
Speaker 2: I was fucking howling the dead. This delivery is so good.
Speaker 2: It is so good.
Speaker 1: I was howling. Parker is like venting all of this deep,
Speaker 1: deep emotional trauma, like basically child abuse, child neglect. You
Speaker 1: threw me out on the streets. I had to figure
Speaker 1: out my own way out on the streets by myself
Speaker 1: as a child. And Parker's dad is like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he's didn't like you.
Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't like you, so I didn't like you.
Speaker 2: Like tis no point in you know you did. Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah that was and look at you now you did.
Speaker 1: You did fine, so you're welcome. I guess, well, just
Speaker 1: like I was fucking howling.
Speaker 2: Also, I have to say, like the dad thing is
Speaker 2: really funny because the dad just casually had security going
Speaker 2: around that could just like kill a guy. But then
Speaker 2: his like busted ass son comes in with his little
Speaker 2: magical guns in his hood and suddenly the dad's just like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: here's here's the house. Take it. But I like the
Speaker 2: idea that the dad's probably like, yeah, you can take
Speaker 2: this fucking shitty mansion. I got like an island, and
Speaker 2: here's what You're never come in here, my annoying twelve
Speaker 2: You know, do you remember that? Remember that tweet from
Speaker 2: many years ago. It's one of my favorite tweets civil Time,
Speaker 2: where the guy's like, oh, people are always like being
Speaker 2: mean to deadbeat dads, but they never talk about what
Speaker 2: if the kid had bad vibe? Yeah? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? This is the dad was like that dad
Speaker 2: was like I didn't like you, so I kicked you.
Speaker 1: So then Parker makes the dad sign, you know, puts
Speaker 1: the gun to his head. It's like I'm gonna blow
Speaker 1: your brain's out sign this. He kicks the dad out
Speaker 1: of his own home and sits in his chair. It
Speaker 1: is in his desk in his uh, you know, wonderful office.
Speaker 1: That's it. At the garage. We're putting the finishing touches
Speaker 1: now on the iron Heart armor. Zelma imbues the suit
Speaker 1: with some magic, which is so cool. This.
Speaker 2: I also love this because basically, like this is kind
Speaker 2: of really bringing together what how how she like the
Speaker 2: person she's fighting in Parker and also like what she
Speaker 2: can bring to the suit. And I just I thought
Speaker 2: this was such a cool twist. I did not see
Speaker 2: it coming. I love the idea of this magic impute suit.
Speaker 2: The way they bring it to life when we get
Speaker 2: to see it is like, so so, so cool. But
Speaker 2: then Zelma did tell us, Alma said she's always a
Speaker 2: cost she she did tell.
Speaker 1: Her there's gonna be a there's gonna be a downside,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. We don't know what it is. And
Speaker 1: guess what it is. There's too much with the magic
Speaker 1: in the suit. There's not enough bandwidth for Natalie and
Speaker 1: the magic. And Natalie is like, oh no.
Speaker 2: No, it begins to be arranged. You're telling me a
Speaker 2: race on a USB drive, like how she trapped in
Speaker 2: that suit. You didn't time machine back her up? Come on,
Speaker 2: are yours? You don't have like a hard you know,
Speaker 2: solid state hard drive while you keep your movies like
Speaker 2: you carry your friend on that. This is a absolutely
Speaker 2: rookie mistake. Also, Natalie has so much power to be
Speaker 2: like moving around to control the suit. This is hard
Speaker 2: to buy. But it's really to do with magic. The
Speaker 2: truth is she could have done all that stuffs magic.
Speaker 1: Every version of it's a magic issue.
Speaker 2: Every single version of Natalie would be gone because this
Speaker 2: is the cost of the suit.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we'll be back
Speaker 1: with the finale of iron Heart.
Speaker 2: We're back, okay.
Speaker 1: The finale iron Heart season one, after escaping from the
Speaker 1: heist on his dad's house the first time with Jonathan
Speaker 1: Parker runs into a tunnel spooking man.
Speaker 2: Yes, he meets a mysterious looking man who is basically
Speaker 2: Robert Denara from Angel Hot. This is so so Louis Seifer.
Speaker 2: You couldn't need and I love everything, the long hair,
Speaker 2: the fish, it's so much of his vibe is about
Speaker 2: eating like devourys. Yes, yes, it's O's Cipher from age one.
Speaker 2: I love this because also the Pizza Place seems like
Speaker 2: a magical dimension that Maso chooses to I mean, not
Speaker 2: that we don't know it's him yet. Guys, you won't
Speaker 2: hear the name until the end of the episode. I
Speaker 2: was like logging him. One I want to give. I
Speaker 2: want to give the writers, the people who were working
Speaker 2: on this. I know you guys working on this since
Speaker 2: COVID when those conversations were happening, and I want to
Speaker 2: say good for you for actually making this cannon because
Speaker 2: if they had not done this at this point and
Speaker 2: it had been another tease, people would have been so
Speaker 2: pissed off. But I actually think the way they do
Speaker 2: this is so it so it was well done. Yeah, fun,
Speaker 2: it's weird. And yes, so the Pizza Place I am
Speaker 2: interested in because I'm like, okay, so that is Parker's HQ.
Speaker 2: But it's also a magical dimension where Mephisto is, Like,
Speaker 2: I really want the canon of the Pizza Place to
Speaker 2: become important to Mephisto's law because I think he's so interesting,
Speaker 2: but he basically like also, I like knowing that Pa
Speaker 2: is just like oh yeah, the Pizza Place and the
Speaker 2: tunnel like it's canonical.
Speaker 1: Now that Mephisto has a pizza place.
Speaker 2: Mephisto's pizza, they bad be doing a pop up of
Speaker 2: that San Diego Marvel, take that idea, We'll be that.
Speaker 1: So Mephisto makes the pitch over pizza and is like,
Speaker 1: I'm very powerful. Watch this. He stops the flow of
Speaker 1: time in the pizza place, just basically stops reality, and
Speaker 1: Parker's blown away. And now Mephisis is like, listen, what
Speaker 1: do you want? Like what when you what do you
Speaker 1: really want? I mean, what is the desire that you
Speaker 1: is so powerful and so wrong that you would never
Speaker 1: admit it to anybody.
Speaker 2: Don't just tell a stranger. That, by the way, bad
Speaker 2: thing to tell a stranger, honestly. But also I actually
Speaker 2: thought this moment was very heartbreaking because the reason Mephisto
Speaker 2: stops time is he sees that Parker is getting distracted
Speaker 2: by looking at a family and kind of this family
Speaker 2: having this really nice interaction, And the real truth is
Speaker 2: that's what he wants, and that's kind of what he
Speaker 2: built with the gang. But instead, you know, Mephisto, as
Speaker 2: is the nature of the manipulator, and we talk there's
Speaker 2: a lot of manipulation. In this show, a lot of
Speaker 2: talk about manipulation, and it's kind of all leading to
Speaker 2: Mephisto's arrival. Mephisto manipulates that into something that is more cold,
Speaker 2: more hard coded, more corrupting, because that's what he does.
Speaker 2: And this is just such a funny, like the whole
Speaker 2: thing is really funny, but in a way that works
Speaker 2: because that is how it is in the comics. And
Speaker 2: Mephisto kind of gets him to this place where he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you want to be king, Sure, you want to have power. Sure,
Speaker 2: Mephisto gives him the Mephistos doesn't even give him the hood.
Speaker 2: That's my fa thing. He just like leaves it there.
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, He's like oh yeah, yeah, He's like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, if you want it, like that's yours. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's not mine, that's yours, and I love it. So
Speaker 2: don't take the mystery hood from the mystery Man. In
Speaker 2: the Mystery Pizza Shop, though, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: The party is like, yeah, I want to be king,
Speaker 1: and Mithistle's like, well, your highness, I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: you king, but I'm gonna give you the tools to
Speaker 1: become king.
Speaker 2: Because you can do it yourself.
Speaker 1: Like he's a little self help guy back at his
Speaker 1: new mansion, his dad's mansion that is now his hood,
Speaker 1: is making Zeke eat breakfast, which is just like.
Speaker 2: One again older and you're hilarious two heartbreaking because he's God,
Speaker 2: he's gotten rid of this found family. He's got the
Speaker 2: thing that he wanted, which is his father's well. But
Speaker 2: like you have to force someone to be there with you,
Speaker 2: eating alongside you. It's really great, very funny homage to
Speaker 2: the bat the really famous Batman eighty nine sequence where
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton and vickyll are eating at the ends of
Speaker 2: the other table. The food is like annimal level food styling,
Speaker 2: Like who is still in this house making that for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who's cooking?
Speaker 2: Literally, I'm like, I know this show is not going
Speaker 2: to be in little wards conversation because it's not how
Speaker 2: it is for super show is old. I'm like, give
Speaker 2: this man like a supporting he was really doing the most.
Speaker 1: It was really funny, funny, brought a wonderful like lightness
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Role, even though the role is like really sad and
Speaker 2: also could be a bit like I think it could
Speaker 2: feel a little bit repair of like an extremist kind
Speaker 2: of situation, but instead he makes it his total own thing.
Speaker 2: You root for him, and you find yourself against Parker,
Speaker 2: and you do imagine other worlds are the spaces where
Speaker 2: maybe there's a version where him and Rely in the future,
Speaker 2: could you know, work together or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could really see that, like kind of
Speaker 1: creating the alliance between Stark and Stain that exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: like putting away the conflicts of their previous like generations.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things, I wish there was more time to
Speaker 2: explore in that show. In the show, I think that
Speaker 2: that is so good in him and Dominique Thorn are
Speaker 2: so good together, and I'm so interested in that relationship
Speaker 2: and what it means to be the legacy mantle holder,
Speaker 2: Like aren't these the questions that we should be asking
Speaker 2: in the newis post endgame phases of the MCU, Like
Speaker 2: they're onto something there and I want to see more
Speaker 2: of that. But at the moment, Zeke is just start
Speaker 2: eating like weird cuisine, not even delicious Chicago dog or
Speaker 2: something easy like edible flowers. You know.
Speaker 1: So Parker is like, I know you didn't kill re Rea,
Speaker 1: what's up with that, and then Zeke tries to stab
Speaker 1: Parker with a fork, but you know, Parker easily freezes
Speaker 1: Zeke's the body. They then they argue, and Parker realizes
Speaker 1: that he's actually he needs to be doing something, but
Speaker 1: we don't know what it is. Right now, Parker is back,
Speaker 1: He's now tattooing himself and he's thinking about the deal
Speaker 1: he made with Mephisto. Reary, meanwhile, is at the garage
Speaker 1: and is trying to get Nat back, but there's no backup,
Speaker 1: there's no other file. Zay is like, many, I'm really sorry,
Speaker 1: but he's like the anxiety loves it.
Speaker 2: He's like this, he's so so bad for you that
Speaker 2: this happened. But also like, get rid of that fucking
Speaker 2: zomba my sister, you motherfucker, Like get that ship got.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, you're hurt, but this is good. Actually we
Speaker 1: should just all move on from this. Is like, I'll
Speaker 1: use magic to get her back. Babe, babe, babe, come on,
Speaker 1: hood is you know yelling at Mephisto. He's he's he's
Speaker 1: increasingly unhappy with the way this deal has turned out.
Speaker 1: Mephisto picks up and is he's English now, and.
Speaker 2: Yes, very funny accent work here from Sasha Baron Cohen,
Speaker 2: like he's he's going between like Cockney English and this
Speaker 2: kind of like double layered voices that they they do.
Speaker 2: When he kind of reveals who he is and yeah
Speaker 2: he but Parker is like, Babe, you should have known
Speaker 2: you're not You're not in control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Memphisto just big dogs, Parker on all your
Speaker 1: power comes from me. Now you're gonna you're gonna try
Speaker 1: and challenge me with that power. Meanwhile, re rearrives on
Speaker 1: the scene. Zeke steps out to happin kind of delay
Speaker 1: Rere and she realized immediately like he's not in control
Speaker 1: of his movements, and he's like, yeah, I'm not in
Speaker 1: control of any of this.
Speaker 2: They fight Palpatine powers. He's electric shocking her all over
Speaker 2: the place. It's very old school. I kind of love
Speaker 2: how much it looks like watching like an old Star
Speaker 2: Wars movie. Like they did not they spared some expense
Speaker 2: on his powers, and I'm okay with it because it
Speaker 2: works with.
Speaker 1: The She does some diagnostic work and is like, listen,
Speaker 1: I figured out how we can reset the the bios
Speaker 1: in your suit to kick out Parker as the admin
Speaker 1: in the kernel window. And what I have to do
Speaker 1: is basically knee you and the balls like as hard
Speaker 1: as possible, and he's like okay, and so she does
Speaker 1: it hard. Red sets him really then demands the hood
Speaker 1: from Parker goes to challenge. Parker's like give me that thing.
Speaker 1: He is like, why so you can like have it
Speaker 1: for yourself and like steal my power. And you're a
Speaker 1: bad person, by the way, if you want to do that,
Speaker 1: Like you're truly a bad person. That's why you were
Speaker 1: working with me. Really is like whatever casts a sick rude,
Speaker 1: like really really cool.
Speaker 2: Just strange coded too, leaning into that kind of Zelma,
Speaker 2: but with a little bit more of the Red. It's
Speaker 2: looking very one division. It's looking yes sala, which which
Speaker 2: we will talk about again and minute. And Parker's basically
Speaker 2: becoming like a vampire.
Speaker 1: It basically like part of what it does is it
Speaker 1: like let's us see like what he has truly become now.
Speaker 1: And he's like very very gross looking.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. For those of you who has
Speaker 2: not seen the you know, understandable the famed Jared leto
Speaker 2: Flop Morbius. He does look a lot like Morbius. In
Speaker 2: this moment. I'm not gonna lie. It's a very similar look.
Speaker 2: Is he a vampire? I don't know the X Men
Speaker 2: are coming. Anything could happen, but he's basically demonic, is
Speaker 2: what we just supposed to tape from it.
Speaker 1: But then the Hood defeats her. He takes her armor apart,
Speaker 1: He's got his magic guns on her really is begging
Speaker 1: for her life. But Parker's like, no, babe. He shoots her,
Speaker 1: but nothing happens because when she casts that room, she
Speaker 1: put him in a very elaborate hologram. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is a hologram.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that she rips the Hood off of.
Speaker 1: Him, and Parker cries like a fucking bitch crying about it.
Speaker 1: He's like an addict who's whose drugs have been.
Speaker 2: Also, I yes, that's definitely the analogy that I didn't
Speaker 2: realize they were making until we got to this moment. Also,
Speaker 2: I love that this is like a throwback, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna disappoint my Swarzenegger heads here because I do love him.
Speaker 2: But I cannot recall right now if it's total recall
Speaker 2: or running man. But this is a direct thing that
Speaker 2: he does in the third act of one of those
Speaker 2: movies where he keeps making holograms of himself to like
Speaker 2: confuse people. So as soon as I saw this, I
Speaker 2: was like, incredible plan. I love that really made the
Speaker 2: fake hologram of herself and kind of tricked Parker. It's
Speaker 2: very cool use of the magic powers and the hologram powers,
Speaker 2: and it kind of shows that blurry line between magic
Speaker 2: and science that I think is really interesting in the MCU.
Speaker 2: But yes, I mean great ending. Nothing could go bad
Speaker 2: after this, right, Like she gets the hood off him,
Speaker 2: Parker is crying, She's one what could happen?
Speaker 1: Well? Mathista shows up and invites brita pizza, and while
Speaker 1: they're sitting in this in uh Mephisto's pizza, he starts
Speaker 1: pitching her on why not accept a little help in
Speaker 1: the thing that you want? You know, we could take
Speaker 1: a little shortcut. He we poor Ringo.
Speaker 2: Star about the nicest beetle, like.
Speaker 1: The nicest beetle who is underrated and actually really get
Speaker 1: good gradimly underrated.
Speaker 2: Also Thomas the tank engine in England, guys, so like,
Speaker 2: come on we find.
Speaker 1: Out that Stars sold is sold of a pisto to
Speaker 1: be part of the Beatles.
Speaker 2: Anyway, scandalous.
Speaker 1: He reveals who he is and he says, listen, how
Speaker 1: about this, I will give you what you really want,
Speaker 1: Natalie back, And we get this vision of AI Natalie back,
Speaker 1: But then we realize it's a moment of doubt that
Speaker 1: is imagining what it could be like if if AI
Speaker 1: Natalie was back in her life. There were together in
Speaker 1: the shop and it's all it's wonderful and they're working
Speaker 1: on stuff together. But really has the strength to say, no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I reject your gift. But then the
Speaker 1: fisto ups it and says, okay, but what if I
Speaker 1: give you the real Natalie back, not the AI Natalie back,
Speaker 1: actual flesh and blood Natalie Ze's sister Natalie. What about now?
Speaker 1: And now re resed, we get this vision of them
Speaker 1: together and it's like, there, it's her. They're back together,
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 2: Know that it's real Natalie. It's because she can touch
Speaker 2: her which and they they make a big point of
Speaker 2: people's hands going through the AI. Now, look, I gotta
Speaker 2: say I should say about this, guys. I mean, you
Speaker 2: literally just pulled a hood off of a man that
Speaker 2: made him a cursed vampire. I feel like, do not
Speaker 2: make a deal with this guy, and I understand. I
Speaker 2: love my friends. I would do so much for my friends.
Speaker 2: I love my little sister. There is no ends of
Speaker 2: the earth I would go to. But I definitely would
Speaker 2: question whether the best insane choice I can't take back
Speaker 2: would be to take help from a guy who had
Speaker 2: literally just given another guy a cursed cloak that made
Speaker 2: him go crazy. I feel like she's too close to
Speaker 2: the hood to make this decision.
Speaker 1: So she signs and brings Natalie back and sells her
Speaker 1: soul for that.
Speaker 2: Well, I do we see that.
Speaker 1: That's where we Leavey Williams's story.
Speaker 2: Do we see her sign or do we just see
Speaker 2: Natalie come back implying that she signed. She must have signed, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it feels like she must have signed, but
Speaker 2: it could be Mephisto messing with her. I maybe it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who oh oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So okay, so you say.
Speaker 2: That, Okay, So she hugs Natalie. We see that Natalie
Speaker 2: is real, she's not the AI, and as we see
Speaker 2: Reeve's hand, we see the spooky red veins. So she
Speaker 2: dead signed. I'm like, babe, immediately go to Zelma and
Speaker 2: be like, what is going on? I need to get
Speaker 2: this all. This was shocking to me. I did not
Speaker 2: see this coming. Leave my Alma alone, Leave my baby,
Speaker 2: my sweet baby. She's never done anything wrong.
Speaker 1: In my magic. Parker, now eeling empty and like a
Speaker 1: husk of himself without his magic, goes to see Zelma
Speaker 1: and tries to convince Zelma to take him back to
Speaker 1: where quote the real magic is, and that's where we
Speaker 1: That was the post credit scene. So that's where season
Speaker 1: one of Ironheart ends. And Hugh, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a I gotta say, I respect it.
Speaker 2: The big swings it.
Speaker 1: It's a big swing. I don't know that it lands
Speaker 1: all the way, and I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: has to do with the pacing and the way they
Speaker 1: set up this this crazy ending. But I love the
Speaker 1: ambition of this, like this is a This is not
Speaker 1: in any way where I would have expected me or
Speaker 1: her story to end with the hero selling her soul,
Speaker 1: also for bet her friend.
Speaker 2: I believe this is the official end of Phase five too, Yes,
Speaker 2: which is completely wild, but I kind of love that
Speaker 2: because it hints that you get this crossover between magic
Speaker 2: and science in the next kind of thing. I'm very
Speaker 2: interested as well. The thing I've been really happy with
Speaker 2: is I feel like something we talked about when we
Speaker 2: talked about our first couple of the first three episodes,
Speaker 2: we were just really impressed by the cost and whatever
Speaker 2: else kind, And I'm really happy to see that people
Speaker 2: are like, yes, this is a charismatic lead, like we
Speaker 2: want to see her in more stuff. I love that
Speaker 2: she's now like magically compromised, like is Mephisto gonna take
Speaker 2: over that suit?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: There are so many interesting ways to explore it. And
Speaker 2: also how does she now explain all of this today
Speaker 2: to her mum because they will very quickly realize that
Speaker 2: that's not an Ai, you know, or maybe she appears
Speaker 2: to them as an AI. I don't know, but this
Speaker 2: what I will say is this hooked me to want
Speaker 2: to know more about this, and I am probably more
Speaker 2: than any other thing that we've gotten. I am left
Speaker 2: after this wanting this to be the thing they don't raise.
Speaker 2: I don't want. I mean stuff like that. We know
Speaker 2: that a lot of that stuff is not going to
Speaker 2: carry over in the same way. Obviously we've spoken about
Speaker 2: why Kang is not going to carry over in that way,
Speaker 2: but this I'm like, don't make this one of those
Speaker 2: shows where you basically write it out of cannon. Like.
Speaker 2: I'm loving that this has been actually way more positively
Speaker 2: reviewed than I first thought it might be when I
Speaker 2: was watching episodes, So I'm really happy about that. I
Speaker 2: love where this ends up, and I can't believe it. Guys,
Speaker 2: it's been like a five year journey, even pre dated
Speaker 2: me and Jason doing X ray Vision together. Mephisto's finally here.
Speaker 2: Can you believe it? It took a long time, and
Speaker 2: I think a well done depiction of Mephisto.
Speaker 1: I think that was really Yes, they're charm in the
Speaker 1: kind of thing, the way to convince I was. I
Speaker 1: thought that was well done. I thought that was it
Speaker 1: was Louis Seiffer from Angel Arpert, you know what. I
Speaker 1: like that character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Guess what, Angel, It's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite movies. So that's okay. Just take a take a
Speaker 2: little homage, Jason. What are your overall feelings as we
Speaker 2: leave phase five and head into I guess phase six
Speaker 2: beginning with the Fantastic four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right that we're seeing Magic step
Speaker 1: up to the level of influence in the world. That
Speaker 1: technology has and that we're going to see clearly the
Speaker 1: the nexus of those things is going to be crucial
Speaker 1: in secret wars and doomsday. And I mean that's you know,
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom in a nutshell is you know, one of
Speaker 1: the he's simultaneously that one of the.
Speaker 2: Best, such a great point.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best scientists, one of the best,
Speaker 1: like the users of technology in the world, but also
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful sorcerers in the world.
Speaker 2: That's a fantastic point. And so bringing those things in.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting and it I think it points to
Speaker 1: the eventual arrival of Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2: I agree. Also, you know, we don't often look to
Speaker 2: rotten tomorrow sare but I do have to say currently
Speaker 2: on iron Heart it is at sixty nine percent on
Speaker 2: the Rotten tomorrow meat and sixty nine percent on the
Speaker 2: popcorn metal, which is the audience DA. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say as a double nice good for that,
Speaker 2: double nice, guys nice.
Speaker 1: What do you think of it? What do you think
Speaker 1: of the show, and what do you think it bodes
Speaker 1: for the next phase.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I am so glad it was made. I'm glad
Speaker 2: they took these big swings. I think Dominic Thorn is
Speaker 2: a star. There's a lot of characters I would love.
Speaker 1: Everybody is off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that episode four is like a very
Speaker 2: very great episode of TV, and I definitely my fave,
Speaker 2: even though I love the magic suit stuff in episode five.
Speaker 2: I want to see Zelma more. I want to know
Speaker 2: more about the Stantons. I want to know about Strange Academy. Like,
Speaker 2: if this is the way we're bringing in a new
Speaker 2: generation of young heroes, I'm here for it. Also, I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it's basically exactly a month as
Speaker 2: we record this, that not only will we be at
Speaker 2: San Diego Comic Con, but Fantastic four will be coming out.
Speaker 2: And I also feel like I don't know what's gonna
Speaker 2: happen next, you know. I feel like we know that
Speaker 2: this is a kind of retro futuristic space, but we
Speaker 2: don't know how it's gonna interact with this. We don't
Speaker 2: know what Phase five is gonna look like when we
Speaker 2: enter into that space, and I think that's kind of
Speaker 2: an exciting and scary place to be. And also, in
Speaker 2: like two weeks we have Superman, so it's kind of
Speaker 2: an unprecedented summer. But also you know, Aaron put a
Speaker 2: good point in the chat, which is like, what if
Speaker 2: this show came out two years ago? I would have
Speaker 2: loved that. I think if this show came out two
Speaker 2: years ago, like directly after Wakanda forever, I think it
Speaker 2: would have been received even more like popularly, probably because
Speaker 2: of the more direct connections there. I would have loved
Speaker 2: to see it. I would have loved to see Magic
Speaker 2: come in in a way that wasn't the Supreme Strange
Speaker 2: and all that. But I also understand that may have
Speaker 2: complicated some of the Wondervision stuff. And then later on
Speaker 2: the way Wander interacted with Doctor Stranger magic. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I will say that hood costume, that
Speaker 2: hood hood looks a lot like a combination of Doctor
Speaker 2: Stranger's cloak and Wonder's kind of suit. So yeah, again,
Speaker 2: could have been good. Another great point by Aaron. Could
Speaker 2: have been great to have this before Agatha to kind
Speaker 2: of expand out this that could have been a bridge
Speaker 2: between magic and technology, and then Agatha leaning fully into
Speaker 2: the magic. But yeah, honestly, I am excited for what
Speaker 2: comes next, and I'm excited to be chopping it up
Speaker 2: with you because it's gonna be crazy once once we
Speaker 2: see Super Matt, It's gonna be crazy summer.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and X ray Vision's Popcorn pop out. We're breaking
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Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: Whoo. I love Jurassic Park. I can't believe that that's
Speaker 2: another thing we get this summer? What Summer?
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