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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for the final three episodes

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Speaker 1: of Ironheart on Disney Plush.

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Speaker 2: And Nabe Jason Coups and on Mersey Night.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to x ray vision of that podcast

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Speaker 1: where we don't have the video favorite shows, movies, colleges

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Speaker 1: of pop culture comedy. You from our podcast where we're

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Speaker 1: bringing you episodes every Tuesday and Thursday, plus alsomber long.

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Speaker 1: We're highlighting the summer's biggest movies every Fridays.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are finishing our Ironheart coverage. Can

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Speaker 2: you believe it's already gone? I know, just two weeks crazy? Well,

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Speaker 2: we are talking about episodes four, five, and six wrong.

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Speaker 1: A strong, A stronger.

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Speaker 2: Finish, A finish. And in other great news, we are

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Speaker 2: gonna be at San Diego Comic on July twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: to July twenty seventh. Let us know if we'd be

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Speaker 2: there on the discord and what you want to see

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Speaker 2: from us at San Diego Comic Con.

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Speaker 1: But first Ironheart. Okay, we open on a flashback episode four,

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Speaker 1: A strong episode four like immediately immediately a leap up.

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Speaker 2: I think this is maybe my favorite episode of the series.

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Speaker 2: Now all taken.

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Speaker 1: I'm still very silly, but in a good way.

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Speaker 2: I tell like Superhero TV kind of yes.

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Speaker 1: And it really feels as if this show knew where

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Speaker 1: it wanted to end and for some reason got shortened.

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Speaker 1: And the shortening clearly happened I think in the first

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Speaker 1: three or middle episode. Yeah, because this is a stronger finish.

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Speaker 1: So we open on Parker and Jonathan earlier into their

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Speaker 1: criminal careers, and it's interesting that Jonathan is more of

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Speaker 1: the instigator, the person who's like, hey, park like we

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Speaker 1: can do this, and you know, like so they're breaking

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Speaker 1: into a beautiful home. Parker is hesitant, but they have

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Speaker 1: good intel. It seems they really seem to know like

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Speaker 1: where stuff is in the house. Parker finds it safe,

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Speaker 1: he opens it. There's like gold bars and fucking stacks

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Speaker 1: of good stuff in there to steal. But then security

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Speaker 1: shows up and gets the drop on Parker, and Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after promising Parker no harm, no one's gonna get hurt.

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Speaker 2: The old classic Jonathan killing people. He can't stop killing people. Also,

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Speaker 2: I have to say as well, he kind of says, oh,

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Speaker 2: how did you find me? Like how did that guy

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Speaker 2: get like how did you save me? And Jonathan's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm always with you. I started to think at this point,

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Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, is Jonathan like kind

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Speaker 2: Now that as they call him cousin, Jonathan, though I

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Speaker 2: still am feeling some tension between the two romantically, is

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Speaker 2: now sadly dead because re Re killed him. Well let

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Speaker 1: I agree more on that in a bit, so Parker.

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Speaker 1: We go to the present. Parker is thinking about this moment.

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Speaker 1: The gang is having a wake for Jonathan downstairs at

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Speaker 1: and you know, people are like, should we say a

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Speaker 1: I think some people are gonna say, well, she she

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Speaker 2: I think it's like and I do think that in

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Speaker 2: Ri and Parker's budgeoning relationship as criminal enterprises.

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Speaker 1: Yes, partners together and this in this thing. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, why don't you call Shuri to help you

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Speaker 1: out with whatever? This hood thing great like great suggestion,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So we goes to see Joe Uh to maybe

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Speaker 1: Does I think a very smart thing here, which is

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Speaker 1: he's really powerful. Here's what happened in Doctor st Range

431
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: The first movie with commerce, Yeah.

432
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: Kill me about that? Like that also, like do you

433
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: know their name? Dropping the mad to Michaels Celia give

434
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: everybody thinks about anymore. I was like, you know what,

435
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: good for you, Zelma, you've been keeping up on You'll

436
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: love the Zelma. Zelma and Kamalakon definitely friends on like

437
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 2: the Wikis the superhero Wikis because she knows that stuff.

438
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: She knows her all her Phase two stuff, and so

439
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: Zelma is is like listen. Parker is definitely like under

440
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: the thrall of Dormmu and dor Mamu or whoever is

441
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: controlling him. One does not care about Parker. He is

442
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: just a means to an end, just a tool, and

443
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to like kind of eliminate Parker

444
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: and is like what what does that mean? And Zella's

445
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to kill this guy, like he'll

446
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: have to die. And before re Re can really process this,

447
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: the gang comes into White Castle. It's the siblings and

448
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: is like, Zelda, get out of here. This is none

449
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: of your business. Even though I'm like re Rey, you

450
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: don't have your suit and Zella could probably help, like

451
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: why are you sending Zelma away. Anyway, Alma has been

452
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: the most helpful person in this situation. I think couldn't

453
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: she just like put you in a different dimension would

454
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: have been a good yeah.

455
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: Like just likes. I think Re's big lesson she has

456
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: to learn in this is like not to do everything

457
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: by herself. So I'm just sad the nature of it.

458
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 2: But I was also like, keep Zelma please because I

459
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: love Alma and also she could help you.

460
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: So it's the siblings. There is a really fun fight

461
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: like across the White Castle. Real is all the while

462
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: trying to call Natalie, but Natalie is not answering because

463
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: we know Natalie has been captured in the suit. Just

464
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: when you think the siblings are gonna take down, really,

465
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: she uses her smarts and the shield that's in Za's

466
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: watch to trap them like in this.

467
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: She throws it at them and when they shoot the gun, boom,

468
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: it pops up and blocks the bullet. Nice, very smart,

469
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: also well established without exposition because of the sequence with

470
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: the mom just good, good word, good luck.

471
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: This is a in a lot of ways. I think

472
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: four is the best episode, but five has my favorite

473
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: moments because I love this showdown with the gang Now

474
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: it's clown. Clown is outside and is like, you're gonna

475
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: have to get through me now.

476
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: Also really fun crazy character work being done by the

477
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: acts who plays Clown, Like, I want to see more of.

478
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: That clouds, you know, a lot of personality from down Yes, yes,

479
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: I feel it.

480
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: I need to see them again. I am enjoying it.

481
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: While that is happening, Natalie is in the van driven

482
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: by Slug and is like trying to work out, like

483
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: how am I going to get out of this magnet thing?

484
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: So she pulls out like a circular saw, one of

485
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: the pizza circular saws that every suit has to have.

486
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: The pizza also has one of those, like you it.

487
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Must have the pizza circuit. So uh, you know, Really

488
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: is fighting with Clown and is telling her listen, I

489
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: didn't mean to kill John. That's a flat out lie,

490
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: but also I respect it. Clown is, you know, stalking

491
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: re Re across the White Castle. It's very much like

492
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: the lasts the Raptor scene in in Jurassic Park crossed

493
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: with the Last of Us creature like a boss scene.

494
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: So Real smarts Clown with this kind of like gas

495
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: canister cannon that she makes and then gets it. Now

496
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: she's running down the street. Slug sees her to run

497
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: her down in the van, but before she can, Natalie

498
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: has popped out of the magnet and she suits re

499
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Re up just in time, and the van like gets

500
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: crushed and Slug gets thrown. And now our heroes are

501
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: suited up and it looks like they're gonna win this one.

502
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Nat and Reary are arguing about whether or not she's human.

503
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: This is what I mean. Look at how good they

504
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: was so well set for success, but they just need

505
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: to do some quiet and have this conversation.

506
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: They can't have this conversation. It turns out Natalie was

507
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: really hurt by what Zay said, which is like, listen, Natalie,

508
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: you need to really sit with what this person who

509
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: was the brother of the person you are based on.

510
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: You need to really fit and process the emotions that

511
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: he's having and then not making it about yourself because

512
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: that's toxic and not what we need right right now.

513
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: So but then the suit malfunctions and re re crashes

514
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: and it's because of Zeke, and it's Zeke is here,

515
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: his his he's all powered up with his new neuralink tech.

516
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, I just want to like

517
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: shout out the fact that, like so in the comics, right,

518
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: Zeke has like many of his own suits. Yeah, I

519
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: love that. In this show they were like, re Re

520
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: is the one who needs a good looking suit, and

521
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: she gets it. That's one of my favorite moments, honestly

522
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: in recent MCU stuff. Is in is in the next

523
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: episode with the suit. But I will just say, like

524
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: I love that they were like, Okay, how can we

525
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: save some money. Just stick some little stickers on it,

526
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: little stickers on him, and he's fine. And I appreciate

527
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: that because, you know what, he doesn't need a nice

528
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: looking suit. Re Re does. So.

529
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Re Re is horrified by what Zeke has apparently done

530
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: to himself with Parker's help, and she tries to get

531
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Zeke to stand down by being like, listen, it's all

532
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: my fault. Okay, it's my fault that you got put

533
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: in jail. It's my fault that you're now working with Parker.

534
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: I am going to take full responsibility and fix it.

535
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: I promise. And Zeke's like, it's too late for that.

536
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm too strong for you now.

537
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: You can't do anything. Hew. He basically just like powers

538
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: down her suit easily peels her out of it, like

539
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: peeling an orange.

540
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: And then.

541
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: When you're thinking, oh, now he's going to kill her,

542
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: he's like, now get out of town.

543
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: Yes I go again, another great, unexpected, kind of wonderful character.

544
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: Yes we get we will get to see more of

545
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: it here, but like what a Zeke's palace. Now, Like

546
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: he's like Palpatine. That's he's just.

547
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Kind of like a knockoff Palpatine, I crossed with lawnmower Man.

548
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: So he's like, listen, get out of town before Parker

549
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: finds out that I let you live, and that's it.

550
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Get out of here. This is a moment of tenderness

551
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: and kindness. Yeah, so he just like leaves her and

552
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: the suit just like all mangled in the street. Mom

553
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: lets really absolutely have it. When she gets home and

554
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: is like, you're not you're not telling us what's going on,

555
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: and clearly this is very serious. But Ory's like, listen,

556
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: not now, I need your help, and she can tell that.

557
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: You can see that Rory's banged up, has been in

558
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: a fight, and Mom like really gives her some like

559
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: important truths right now. It's like, listen, you're obsessed with

560
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: your suit. To an unhealthy degree.

561
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

562
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: You know why, And then Rory says, because, like I

563
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: want to make sure what happened to Dad and Natalie

564
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: never happens to anyone else. That's why I want to

565
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: like create this technology that protects people and protects my

566
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: loved ones. And I'm also going to help people who

567
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: are in that situation. And Natalie is like, I we

568
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: need to leave Chicago right now. It's too dangerous for

569
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: us here. But then Mom convinces re Read to stand

570
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: and fight. This I didn't love and kind of it's

571
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: it comes back to my thing of at some point

572
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: we read like needs to like stand up and make

573
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: a choice. She does eventually make a choice, and it's

574
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: one that is wild.

575
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will get to that. We will see, we

576
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: will see if the choice gets made also as well.

577
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: Like I would say, I also my biggest feeling about

578
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: this conversation is like I just and there's a lot

579
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: of stuff actually in this episode that I just wish

580
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: we'd got to, like episode two. I feel like I

581
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: feel like that would have set Rea up in a

582
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: better situation to be able to make the choice to

583
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: kind of go and fight. But I get it. It's

584
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: kind of this. It's meant to showcase like who re

585
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: Re listens to, and like this connection between her and

586
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: my mom.

587
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: Her create this feeling of this community that like is

588
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: lifting her up. And I get that. I just wish

589
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: it would have provided her with a little bit more agency.

590
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: See they go to the garage. Mom convinces that, or

591
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: at least tells her that the bad things that have

592
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: happened to you, to us, to this family are One

593
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: they are things you have to accept. They happened. They happened,

594
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: and you have to accept it. And two you have

595
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: to also accept that they molded you and made you

596
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: what you are, Like your genius, your suits, all of

597
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: these things that you're so passionate about are part they

598
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: come from this, Like they are part of this, So

599
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: we need to accept these things. We see this really

600
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: kind of touching moment where Dad is letting Rereno that

601
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: she's being a little bit obsessive about like her work

602
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: and the things she's the things she wants to do,

603
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: her inventions, et cetera. She's stressing herself out. It's something

604
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: that I think, to your point, it would have been

605
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: nice to have earlier.

606
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because also the message is really great where it's

607
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: kind of like it's very important to see this, like

608
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: showing this and that is also going like, hey, remember

609
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: you actually like don't need to only think about the

610
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: bad stuff, like you actually need to focus on why

611
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: we need to care about this and this relationship you

612
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: had with him. And again, I feel like that would

613
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: have been a great earlier kind of introduction to build

614
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: out her life with Gary a little bit more. And

615
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: we got it a little bit, but I would have

616
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 2: loved to see some more of this. Also, Uh again,

617
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: can I just put this out there please? Another thing

618
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: really living billions on the ground. Tony Stark tried to

619
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: do a version of this. We saw him do it

620
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: where he sees his parents. It didn't even look this cool.

621
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: You could do this. You can do this in a

622
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: better way than Tony Stark. You already have this, babe, Babe.

623
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: You could literally just no need to do thet and

624
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: a holographic like vacation. It's like fucking total reco shit

625
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: without a horrible surgery like this is. You have the technology,

626
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: You and Natalie could be making a lot of money, baby.

627
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: That's right. We also get this wonderful other flashback where

628
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: we see how the iron Heart name kind of came

629
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: about where a wrench fell on Rey's head and Dad

630
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: christens the wrench iron Head gives her and gives her

631
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: the nickname. Ironhead is moved by all of this, but

632
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: like the question remains, like how can we fight back

633
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: against Parker? Her suits wrecked? And Mom's like surprise, guess what?

634
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: Look outside and there is the Baracuda muscle car that

635
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Dad gave her. That's a beauty, Like is it condition?

636
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm like the mumboy back in that condition? Like again,

637
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: do you need to do the hest? I feel like

638
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: that money dollars? I know. I'm like who did you

639
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: buy it back from him? Like did real salad? That

640
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 2: looks stunning.

641
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: So now they're going to get back to work and

642
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: they're going to use this car as the basis for

643
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: a new suit. Back at Pizza HQ, Parker is like

644
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: thrilled with the way the re retakedown went because she's dead, right,

645
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and Zeke's like, yeah, she did one. She is dead.

646
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: I killed her very clear that Parker who listened, he

647
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: knows about lies because he's dealing with some very powerful

648
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: demonic liars, and he says, you know what this story

649
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: lacks it lacks drama, and he's basically saying like, I

650
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: don't believe you. Clown then fills in the blanks. It's like, well, listen,

651
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: Rey was kicking all of our asses, but then Zeke

652
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: shows up, he destroys her suit and then kills her

653
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: and it was awesome. And then Parker's like, okay, yeah,

654
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: that was better.

655
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: And trusted in that choice as well. I think it's

656
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: because I think that Clown understands more now what Jonathan

657
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: was really like. She re re revealed to Clown that

658
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: Jonathan had or had Stuart killed or did kill Stuart.

659
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: RP Eric Andre, You're in the show for far too short,

660
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: but I was happy to see you and uh yeah.

661
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: And so Clown is like, okay, well I need to

662
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: find out more about this. So that's how she kind

663
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: of gets Zeke. Like why she gets Zeke on side?

664
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: I think I thought that was a great money.

665
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: I agree. So Parker now is really trying to sell

666
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Zeke on joining the gang on a permanent basis, but

667
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Zeke's like, I did this one job and I'm out.

668
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't want goodbye. I'm leaving. Zay at

669
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: home is listening to music, but then his headphones dies,

670
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: so he picks up the box of the you know,

671
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: the gift headphones that had given him and with that

672
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: crime money, with the crime money, the blood money, blood money,

673
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: and then it comes with a little card with a

674
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Star Trek symbol on it and some nice words that

675
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Relyhead writes to him that we don't know what they are.

676
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: In that moment back of the garage, Real is like

677
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: prepping her materials. Landen shows up and is like, Babe,

678
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: you owe me six hundred dollars. I will help you,

679
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: but like you got, you're gonna have to pay up.

680
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeahs is gonna have to get paid to this child.

681
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Now, can you please pay this child because we know

682
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: now that you have a law of money. Yeah, I

683
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: mean he's money floating around, Babe, she has to.

684
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's not even counting the ten grand that

685
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: Parker gave her on day one, like finders fee money,

686
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: like before the money from the heist. We're rolling in,

687
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: so pay this trust. Yeah. So re re Is is

688
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of one of those wonderful Tony Stark

689
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: is freaking out moments, you know where like the genius

690
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: is like losing it. We can't. How are we gonna possibly?

691
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: And then it comes to her she knows now what

692
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: she has to do. If Parker's power comes from a

693
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: magical dimension, she's going to have to discover where that

694
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: dimension is and cut the source of the power. At

695
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: Pizza HQ, new heist planning is underway. Clown. Then out

696
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: of nowhere comes up and is like, you killed Stuart,

697
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: didn't you? Parker? Mister the hood, look at this. I've

698
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: got the autopsy report. It shows and according to this

699
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: evidence that I have found, you lied about what happened

700
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: to Stuart.

701
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: You killed him, didn't you?

702
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: And it's very circumstantial. But also of the entire gang

703
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: is like, you know what, it seems like something you

704
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: would do, Parker. And now he's like hearing voices. More

705
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: of the voices are getting louder, and Parker's like, you

706
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: know what, You're all.

707
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: Fired, that's it. And from the gang about he's like

708
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: really yeah.

709
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: And this turn is so funny to me because the

710
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: entire gang was like very very upset that Parker murdered

711
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: their friend Stuart aka Rampay.

712
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: They're so much more upset about being fired in the moment,

713
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Come on?

714
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: It is so funny. Zelma then arrives at the Gang

715
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: to help the whole gang show.

716
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: I love the time she shows up. I just like

717
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm loving it. Where's my strange Academy show.

718
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: She is even now.

719
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Much more like very very sure that this power that

720
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: the Hood has is coming from Dormoum. But she's like

721
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: less sure than she was previously. It's like forty seven percent,

722
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: not even a coin flip, but like reasonably sure. Zay

723
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: then shows up with coffee and they talk about Natalie

724
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: and really says, well, yeah, like, let's it's not Natalie,

725
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: but it's my perceptions of her. And and he's like, listen,

726
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: we need to have the bigger Natalie talk. Okay, but

727
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: not now. Let's you need help with this. And until

728
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: that is done, we can table the Natalie stuff. But

729
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: that's an important conversation to have later. Let's get down

730
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: to business. So they're constructing. We get a wonderful construction

731
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: montage where they're building the suit and Zelma's painting ruins

732
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: on the building.

733
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: And that sequence with Zelma is like sitting on the

734
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: ceiling and she's like yeaning the ruins and you see

735
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: her upside down. It's so cool. Also, all the Zelma

736
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 2: stuff is very runaways coded like its year is very

737
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: much like that, which was such a great early kind

738
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: of introduction to the MCU. It's good stuff. I mean,

739
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: this is the this is the this is the rumor Williams.

740
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Builders in a garage of scrim up boxs.

741
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Like you're literally looking at it and you're like, babe,

742
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: if Mit kicked you out. They are so dumb, let

743
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: them be plagiarizing, like this is you literally built this

744
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: with a car and you just turned it into like

745
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: really sick looking, very sick looking suit. Yeah.

746
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: So back in Evanson, Zeke is getting ready to move

747
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: out of town. But when But when Heather across the street,

748
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: the mean, the terrible neighbor, Heather pushes a little too

749
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: far with a comment about Zeke's dad, Obadiah l Rip.

750
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: Zeke kind of flips out a little bit, and he's

751
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: about to like wreck her flowerbed, like for real and

752
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: forever with his little Palpatine powers. But then they sat out.

753
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: And why do they fritz out? It's because Parker, we

754
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: find out, completely controls all of Zeke's bionics, Like like

755
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Zeke is merely a passenger in his own body now,

756
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: and Parker makes Zeke come with him and they break

757
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: into the mansion from the cold open of the episode

758
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: where we saw the flashback of Jonathan and Parker and

759
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: they get in there and they're gonna apparently steal some

760
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: stuff that they didn't manage to steal in that flash

761
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: in the in the original heist with Jonathan, Parker and

762
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Hood is making Zeke like take out the security guys

763
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: and he's doing it with ease. They're just like messing

764
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: him up. It's actually kind of funny with yeah, with

765
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: Zeke saying like, I'm so sorry about this, like I

766
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: can't I can't control.

767
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: That's very fun. Also, I liked that we did get

768
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: like a tease that this was gonna happen, because when

769
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: Slug was like reformatting and kind of upgrading the bionics,

770
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: we got this moment where he Parker like snuck over

771
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: and basically was like, make me the administrator, And I'm like,

772
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: I love the idea. It's like, yeah, making the administrator

773
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: of this guy's sick palpatine powers. But yeah, again, Alden

774
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: and Parker Hare are really good. Also, I loved Olden

775
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: and she Calay in that moment, I was kind of

776
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: hre they would get more. Those two had really fun chemistry.

777
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: But yes, what is why why are they breaking into

778
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: his house? What do they want? Jason?

779
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, we figure out that the guy

780
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: it's it's the classic Parker thing, where sign this, sign

781
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: this extortion contract and give us the show jobs, et cetera.

782
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: But we find out that this businessman that lives in

783
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: this home is Parker's dad, dog and apparently a really

784
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: terrible dad who Parker's like, you threw me out of

785
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: the house when I was a cue, threw me out

786
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: into the streets, and I fucking love the dad's response

787
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: is so good, it's so buying.

788
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: I was fucking howling the dead. This delivery is so good.

789
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: It is so good.

790
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: I was howling. Parker is like venting all of this deep,

791
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: deep emotional trauma, like basically child abuse, child neglect. You

792
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: threw me out on the streets. I had to figure

793
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: out my own way out on the streets by myself

794
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: as a child. And Parker's dad is like, yeah, okay,

795
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: he's didn't like you.

796
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't like you, so I didn't like you.

797
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: Like tis no point in you know you did. Okay,

798
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: yeah that was and look at you now you did.

799
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: You did fine, so you're welcome. I guess, well, just

800
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: like I was fucking howling.

801
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: Also, I have to say, like the dad thing is

802
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: really funny because the dad just casually had security going

803
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: around that could just like kill a guy. But then

804
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: his like busted ass son comes in with his little

805
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: magical guns in his hood and suddenly the dad's just like, yeah, okay,

806
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: here's here's the house. Take it. But I like the

807
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: idea that the dad's probably like, yeah, you can take

808
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: this fucking shitty mansion. I got like an island, and

809
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 2: here's what You're never come in here, my annoying twelve

810
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: You know, do you remember that? Remember that tweet from

811
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: many years ago. It's one of my favorite tweets civil Time,

812
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: where the guy's like, oh, people are always like being

813
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: mean to deadbeat dads, but they never talk about what

814
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: if the kid had bad vibe? Yeah? You know what

815
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: I mean? This is the dad was like that dad

816
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: was like I didn't like you, so I kicked you.

817
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: So then Parker makes the dad sign, you know, puts

818
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: the gun to his head. It's like I'm gonna blow

819
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: your brain's out sign this. He kicks the dad out

820
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: of his own home and sits in his chair. It

821
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: is in his desk in his uh, you know, wonderful office.

822
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: That's it. At the garage. We're putting the finishing touches

823
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: now on the iron Heart armor. Zelma imbues the suit

824
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: with some magic, which is so cool. This.

825
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: I also love this because basically, like this is kind

826
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: of really bringing together what how how she like the

827
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: person she's fighting in Parker and also like what she

828
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: can bring to the suit. And I just I thought

829
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: this was such a cool twist. I did not see

830
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: it coming. I love the idea of this magic impute suit.

831
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: The way they bring it to life when we get

832
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: to see it is like, so so, so cool. But

833
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: then Zelma did tell us, Alma said she's always a

834
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: cost she she did tell.

835
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Her there's gonna be a there's gonna be a downside,

836
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: whatever it is. We don't know what it is. And

837
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: guess what it is. There's too much with the magic

838
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: in the suit. There's not enough bandwidth for Natalie and

839
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: the magic. And Natalie is like, oh no.

840
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: No, it begins to be arranged. You're telling me a

841
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: race on a USB drive, like how she trapped in

842
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: that suit. You didn't time machine back her up? Come on,

843
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: are yours? You don't have like a hard you know,

844
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: solid state hard drive while you keep your movies like

845
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: you carry your friend on that. This is a absolutely

846
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: rookie mistake. Also, Natalie has so much power to be

847
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: like moving around to control the suit. This is hard

848
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: to buy. But it's really to do with magic. The

849
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: truth is she could have done all that stuffs magic.

850
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Every version of it's a magic issue.

851
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: Every single version of Natalie would be gone because this

852
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: is the cost of the suit.

853
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we'll be back

854
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: with the finale of iron Heart.

855
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: We're back, okay.

856
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: The finale iron Heart season one, after escaping from the

857
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: heist on his dad's house the first time with Jonathan

858
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Parker runs into a tunnel spooking man.

859
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: Yes, he meets a mysterious looking man who is basically

860
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: Robert Denara from Angel Hot. This is so so Louis Seifer.

861
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: You couldn't need and I love everything, the long hair,

862
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 2: the fish, it's so much of his vibe is about

863
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: eating like devourys. Yes, yes, it's O's Cipher from age one.

864
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: I love this because also the Pizza Place seems like

865
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: a magical dimension that Maso chooses to I mean, not

866
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: that we don't know it's him yet. Guys, you won't

867
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: hear the name until the end of the episode. I

868
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: was like logging him. One I want to give. I

869
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: want to give the writers, the people who were working

870
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: on this. I know you guys working on this since

871
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: COVID when those conversations were happening, and I want to

872
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: say good for you for actually making this cannon because

873
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: if they had not done this at this point and

874
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: it had been another tease, people would have been so

875
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: pissed off. But I actually think the way they do

876
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: this is so it so it was well done. Yeah, fun,

877
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: it's weird. And yes, so the Pizza Place I am

878
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: interested in because I'm like, okay, so that is Parker's HQ.

879
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: But it's also a magical dimension where Mephisto is, Like,

880
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: I really want the canon of the Pizza Place to

881
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: become important to Mephisto's law because I think he's so interesting,

882
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: but he basically like also, I like knowing that Pa

883
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: is just like oh yeah, the Pizza Place and the

884
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: tunnel like it's canonical.

885
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Now that Mephisto has a pizza place.

886
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: Mephisto's pizza, they bad be doing a pop up of

887
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: that San Diego Marvel, take that idea, We'll be that.

888
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: So Mephisto makes the pitch over pizza and is like,

889
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm very powerful. Watch this. He stops the flow of

890
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: time in the pizza place, just basically stops reality, and

891
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: Parker's blown away. And now Mephisis is like, listen, what

892
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: do you want? Like what when you what do you

893
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: really want? I mean, what is the desire that you

894
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: is so powerful and so wrong that you would never

895
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: admit it to anybody.

896
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: Don't just tell a stranger. That, by the way, bad

897
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: thing to tell a stranger, honestly. But also I actually

898
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: thought this moment was very heartbreaking because the reason Mephisto

899
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: stops time is he sees that Parker is getting distracted

900
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: by looking at a family and kind of this family

901
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: having this really nice interaction, And the real truth is

902
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: that's what he wants, and that's kind of what he

903
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: built with the gang. But instead, you know, Mephisto, as

904
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: is the nature of the manipulator, and we talk there's

905
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: a lot of manipulation. In this show, a lot of

906
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: talk about manipulation, and it's kind of all leading to

907
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 2: Mephisto's arrival. Mephisto manipulates that into something that is more cold,

908
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: more hard coded, more corrupting, because that's what he does.

909
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: And this is just such a funny, like the whole

910
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: thing is really funny, but in a way that works

911
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: because that is how it is in the comics. And

912
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: Mephisto kind of gets him to this place where he's like, yeah,

913
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: you want to be king, Sure, you want to have power. Sure,

914
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: Mephisto gives him the Mephistos doesn't even give him the hood.

915
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: That's my fa thing. He just like leaves it there.

916
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, He's like oh yeah, yeah, He's like, uh,

917
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, if you want it, like that's yours. He's like, no,

918
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: that's not mine, that's yours, and I love it. So

919
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: don't take the mystery hood from the mystery Man. In

920
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: the Mystery Pizza Shop, though, I gotta tell you.

921
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: The party is like, yeah, I want to be king,

922
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: and Mithistle's like, well, your highness, I'm not gonna make

923
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: you king, but I'm gonna give you the tools to

924
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: become king.

925
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: Because you can do it yourself.

926
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: Like he's a little self help guy back at his

927
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: new mansion, his dad's mansion that is now his hood,

928
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: is making Zeke eat breakfast, which is just like.

929
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: One again older and you're hilarious two heartbreaking because he's God,

930
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: he's gotten rid of this found family. He's got the

931
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: thing that he wanted, which is his father's well. But

932
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: like you have to force someone to be there with you,

933
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: eating alongside you. It's really great, very funny homage to

934
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: the bat the really famous Batman eighty nine sequence where

935
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton and vickyll are eating at the ends of

936
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: the other table. The food is like annimal level food styling,

937
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: Like who is still in this house making that for you?

938
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who's cooking?

939
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 2: Literally, I'm like, I know this show is not going

940
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: to be in little wards conversation because it's not how

941
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: it is for super show is old. I'm like, give

942
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: this man like a supporting he was really doing the most.

943
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: It was really funny, funny, brought a wonderful like lightness

944
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: to this.

945
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: Role, even though the role is like really sad and

946
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: also could be a bit like I think it could

947
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 2: feel a little bit repair of like an extremist kind

948
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: of situation, but instead he makes it his total own thing.

949
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: You root for him, and you find yourself against Parker,

950
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: and you do imagine other worlds are the spaces where

951
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: maybe there's a version where him and Rely in the future,

952
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: could you know, work together or whatever.

953
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could really see that, like kind of

954
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: creating the alliance between Stark and Stain that exactly, you know,

955
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: like putting away the conflicts of their previous like generations.

956
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of things, I wish there was more time to

957
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: explore in that show. In the show, I think that

958
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: that is so good in him and Dominique Thorn are

959
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: so good together, and I'm so interested in that relationship

960
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 2: and what it means to be the legacy mantle holder,

961
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: Like aren't these the questions that we should be asking

962
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: in the newis post endgame phases of the MCU, Like

963
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,479
Speaker 2: they're onto something there and I want to see more

964
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: of that. But at the moment, Zeke is just start

965
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: eating like weird cuisine, not even delicious Chicago dog or

966
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: something easy like edible flowers. You know.

967
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: So Parker is like, I know you didn't kill re Rea,

968
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: what's up with that, and then Zeke tries to stab

969
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: Parker with a fork, but you know, Parker easily freezes

970
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: Zeke's the body. They then they argue, and Parker realizes

971
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: that he's actually he needs to be doing something, but

972
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: we don't know what it is. Right now, Parker is back,

973
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: He's now tattooing himself and he's thinking about the deal

974
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: he made with Mephisto. Reary, meanwhile, is at the garage

975
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: and is trying to get Nat back, but there's no backup,

976
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: there's no other file. Zay is like, many, I'm really sorry,

977
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: but he's like the anxiety loves it.

978
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: He's like this, he's so so bad for you that

979
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 2: this happened. But also like, get rid of that fucking

980
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: zomba my sister, you motherfucker, Like get that ship got.

981
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, you're hurt, but this is good. Actually we

982
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: should just all move on from this. Is like, I'll

983
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: use magic to get her back. Babe, babe, babe, come on,

984
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: hood is you know yelling at Mephisto. He's he's he's

985
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: increasingly unhappy with the way this deal has turned out.

986
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: Mephisto picks up and is he's English now, and.

987
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: Yes, very funny accent work here from Sasha Baron Cohen,

988
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: like he's he's going between like Cockney English and this

989
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: kind of like double layered voices that they they do.

990
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: When he kind of reveals who he is and yeah

991
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: he but Parker is like, Babe, you should have known

992
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: you're not You're not in control.

993
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Memphisto just big dogs, Parker on all your

994
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: power comes from me. Now you're gonna you're gonna try

995
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: and challenge me with that power. Meanwhile, re rearrives on

996
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: the scene. Zeke steps out to happin kind of delay

997
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: Rere and she realized immediately like he's not in control

998
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: of his movements, and he's like, yeah, I'm not in

999
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: control of any of this.

1000
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: They fight Palpatine powers. He's electric shocking her all over

1001
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: the place. It's very old school. I kind of love

1002
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: how much it looks like watching like an old Star

1003
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Wars movie. Like they did not they spared some expense

1004
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: on his powers, and I'm okay with it because it

1005
00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: works with.

1006
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: The She does some diagnostic work and is like, listen,

1007
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: I figured out how we can reset the the bios

1008
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: in your suit to kick out Parker as the admin

1009
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: in the kernel window. And what I have to do

1010
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: is basically knee you and the balls like as hard

1011
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: as possible, and he's like okay, and so she does

1012
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: it hard. Red sets him really then demands the hood

1013
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: from Parker goes to challenge. Parker's like give me that thing.

1014
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: He is like, why so you can like have it

1015
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: for yourself and like steal my power. And you're a

1016
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: bad person, by the way, if you want to do that,

1017
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: Like you're truly a bad person. That's why you were

1018
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: working with me. Really is like whatever casts a sick rude,

1019
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: like really really cool.

1020
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: Just strange coded too, leaning into that kind of Zelma,

1021
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: but with a little bit more of the Red. It's

1022
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: looking very one division. It's looking yes sala, which which

1023
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: we will talk about again and minute. And Parker's basically

1024
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: becoming like a vampire.

1025
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: It basically like part of what it does is it

1026
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: like let's us see like what he has truly become now.

1027
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: And he's like very very gross looking.

1028
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. For those of you who has

1029
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: not seen the you know, understandable the famed Jared leto

1030
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: Flop Morbius. He does look a lot like Morbius. In

1031
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: this moment. I'm not gonna lie. It's a very similar look.

1032
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: Is he a vampire? I don't know the X Men

1033
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: are coming. Anything could happen, but he's basically demonic, is

1034
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: what we just supposed to tape from it.

1035
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: But then the Hood defeats her. He takes her armor apart,

1036
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: He's got his magic guns on her really is begging

1037
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: for her life. But Parker's like, no, babe. He shoots her,

1038
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: but nothing happens because when she casts that room, she

1039
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: put him in a very elaborate hologram. The whole thing

1040
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: is a hologram.

1041
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that she rips the Hood off of.

1042
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Him, and Parker cries like a fucking bitch crying about it.

1043
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: He's like an addict who's whose drugs have been.

1044
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: Also, I yes, that's definitely the analogy that I didn't

1045
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: realize they were making until we got to this moment. Also,

1046
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: I love that this is like a throwback, and I'm

1047
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: gonna disappoint my Swarzenegger heads here because I do love him.

1048
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: But I cannot recall right now if it's total recall

1049
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: or running man. But this is a direct thing that

1050
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: he does in the third act of one of those

1051
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: movies where he keeps making holograms of himself to like

1052
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: confuse people. So as soon as I saw this, I

1053
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: was like, incredible plan. I love that really made the

1054
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: fake hologram of herself and kind of tricked Parker. It's

1055
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: very cool use of the magic powers and the hologram powers,

1056
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: and it kind of shows that blurry line between magic

1057
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: and science that I think is really interesting in the MCU.

1058
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: But yes, I mean great ending. Nothing could go bad

1059
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: after this, right, Like she gets the hood off him,

1060
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: Parker is crying, She's one what could happen?

1061
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: Well? Mathista shows up and invites brita pizza, and while

1062
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: they're sitting in this in uh Mephisto's pizza, he starts

1063
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: pitching her on why not accept a little help in

1064
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: the thing that you want? You know, we could take

1065
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: a little shortcut. He we poor Ringo.

1066
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: Star about the nicest beetle, like.

1067
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: The nicest beetle who is underrated and actually really get

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Speaker 1: good gradimly underrated.

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Speaker 2: Also Thomas the tank engine in England, guys, so like,

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Speaker 2: come on we find.

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Speaker 1: Out that Stars sold is sold of a pisto to

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Speaker 1: be part of the Beatles.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, scandalous.

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01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: He reveals who he is and he says, listen, how

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Speaker 1: about this, I will give you what you really want,

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01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: Natalie back, And we get this vision of AI Natalie back,

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Speaker 1: But then we realize it's a moment of doubt that

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Speaker 1: is imagining what it could be like if if AI

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Speaker 1: Natalie was back in her life. There were together in

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01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: the shop and it's all it's wonderful and they're working

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Speaker 1: on stuff together. But really has the strength to say, no,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I reject your gift. But then the

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01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: fisto ups it and says, okay, but what if I

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01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: give you the real Natalie back, not the AI Natalie back,

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Speaker 1: actual flesh and blood Natalie Ze's sister Natalie. What about now?

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Speaker 1: And now re resed, we get this vision of them

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Speaker 1: together and it's like, there, it's her. They're back together,

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Speaker 1: and we.

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Speaker 2: Know that it's real Natalie. It's because she can touch

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Speaker 2: her which and they they make a big point of

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01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: people's hands going through the AI. Now, look, I gotta

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01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: say I should say about this, guys. I mean, you

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01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: literally just pulled a hood off of a man that

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01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: made him a cursed vampire. I feel like, do not

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: make a deal with this guy, and I understand. I

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01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: love my friends. I would do so much for my friends.

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: I love my little sister. There is no ends of

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01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: the earth I would go to. But I definitely would

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: question whether the best insane choice I can't take back

1100
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: would be to take help from a guy who had

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01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: literally just given another guy a cursed cloak that made

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Speaker 2: him go crazy. I feel like she's too close to

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Speaker 2: the hood to make this decision.

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Speaker 1: So she signs and brings Natalie back and sells her

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Speaker 1: soul for that.

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: Well, I do we see that.

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Speaker 1: That's where we Leavey Williams's story.

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Speaker 2: Do we see her sign or do we just see

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Speaker 2: Natalie come back implying that she signed. She must have signed, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it feels like she must have signed, but

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01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: it could be Mephisto messing with her. I maybe it. Yeah,

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01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 2: who oh oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, oh my god, yeah.

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So okay, so you say.

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01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: That, Okay, So she hugs Natalie. We see that Natalie

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: is real, she's not the AI, and as we see

1116
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: Reeve's hand, we see the spooky red veins. So she

1117
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: dead signed. I'm like, babe, immediately go to Zelma and

1118
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: be like, what is going on? I need to get

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: this all. This was shocking to me. I did not

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Speaker 2: see this coming. Leave my Alma alone, Leave my baby,

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01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: my sweet baby. She's never done anything wrong.

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01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: In my magic. Parker, now eeling empty and like a

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01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: husk of himself without his magic, goes to see Zelma

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Speaker 1: and tries to convince Zelma to take him back to

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: where quote the real magic is, and that's where we

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01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: That was the post credit scene. So that's where season

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: one of Ironheart ends. And Hugh, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a I gotta say, I respect it.

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Speaker 2: The big swings it.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: It's a big swing. I don't know that it lands

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: all the way, and I think a lot of that

1132
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: has to do with the pacing and the way they

1133
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: set up this this crazy ending. But I love the

1134
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: ambition of this, like this is a This is not

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01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: in any way where I would have expected me or

1136
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: her story to end with the hero selling her soul,

1137
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: also for bet her friend.

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Speaker 2: I believe this is the official end of Phase five too, Yes,

1139
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: which is completely wild, but I kind of love that

1140
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: because it hints that you get this crossover between magic

1141
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: and science in the next kind of thing. I'm very

1142
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: interested as well. The thing I've been really happy with

1143
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: is I feel like something we talked about when we

1144
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: talked about our first couple of the first three episodes,

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01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: we were just really impressed by the cost and whatever

1146
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: else kind, And I'm really happy to see that people

1147
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: are like, yes, this is a charismatic lead, like we

1148
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 2: want to see her in more stuff. I love that

1149
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: she's now like magically compromised, like is Mephisto gonna take

1150
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: over that suit?

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01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:05,959
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1152
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: There are so many interesting ways to explore it. And

1153
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: also how does she now explain all of this today

1154
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 2: to her mum because they will very quickly realize that

1155
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: that's not an Ai, you know, or maybe she appears

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: to them as an AI. I don't know, but this

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01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: what I will say is this hooked me to want

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01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: to know more about this, and I am probably more

1159
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: than any other thing that we've gotten. I am left

1160
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: after this wanting this to be the thing they don't raise.

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't want. I mean stuff like that. We know

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01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: that a lot of that stuff is not going to

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01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: carry over in the same way. Obviously we've spoken about

1164
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: why Kang is not going to carry over in that way,

1165
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: but this I'm like, don't make this one of those

1166
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: shows where you basically write it out of cannon. Like.

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Speaker 2: I'm loving that this has been actually way more positively

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01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: reviewed than I first thought it might be when I

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: was watching episodes, So I'm really happy about that. I

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: love where this ends up, and I can't believe it. Guys,

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01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: it's been like a five year journey, even pre dated

1172
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: me and Jason doing X ray Vision together. Mephisto's finally here.

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: Can you believe it? It took a long time, and

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Speaker 2: I think a well done depiction of Mephisto.

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Speaker 1: I think that was really Yes, they're charm in the

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing, the way to convince I was. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was well done. I thought that was it

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: was Louis Seiffer from Angel Arpert, you know what. I

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Speaker 1: like that character.

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01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Guess what, Angel, It's one of my

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01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: favorite movies. So that's okay. Just take a take a

1182
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 2: little homage, Jason. What are your overall feelings as we

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01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: leave phase five and head into I guess phase six

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01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: beginning with the Fantastic four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right that we're seeing Magic step

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: up to the level of influence in the world. That

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: technology has and that we're going to see clearly the

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01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: the nexus of those things is going to be crucial

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01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: in secret wars and doomsday. And I mean that's you know,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Doom in a nutshell is you know, one of

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: the he's simultaneously that one of the.

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01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 2: Best, such a great point.

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01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 1: He's one of the best scientists, one of the best,

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: like the users of technology in the world, but also

1195
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful sorcerers in the world.

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,839
Speaker 2: That's a fantastic point. And so bringing those things in.

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01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: It's really interesting and it I think it points to

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Speaker 1: the eventual arrival of Doctor Doom.

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Speaker 2: I agree. Also, you know, we don't often look to

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01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: rotten tomorrow sare but I do have to say currently

1201
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: on iron Heart it is at sixty nine percent on

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01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 2: the Rotten tomorrow meat and sixty nine percent on the

1203
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: popcorn metal, which is the audience DA. So you know,

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to say as a double nice good for that,

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01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: double nice, guys nice.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of it? What do you think

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Speaker 1: of the show, and what do you think it bodes

1208
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: for the next phase.

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, I am so glad it was made. I'm glad

1210
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: they took these big swings. I think Dominic Thorn is

1211
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: a star. There's a lot of characters I would love.

1212
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: Everybody is off.

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01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that episode four is like a very

1214
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: very great episode of TV, and I definitely my fave,

1215
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: even though I love the magic suit stuff in episode five.

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01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: I want to see Zelma more. I want to know

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01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: more about the Stantons. I want to know about Strange Academy. Like,

1218
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: if this is the way we're bringing in a new

1219
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: generation of young heroes, I'm here for it. Also, I

1220
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it's basically exactly a month as

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Speaker 2: we record this, that not only will we be at

1222
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: San Diego Comic Con, but Fantastic four will be coming out.

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Speaker 2: And I also feel like I don't know what's gonna

1224
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: happen next, you know. I feel like we know that

1225
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: this is a kind of retro futuristic space, but we

1226
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: don't know how it's gonna interact with this. We don't

1227
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: know what Phase five is gonna look like when we

1228
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: enter into that space, and I think that's kind of

1229
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: an exciting and scary place to be. And also, in

1230
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: like two weeks we have Superman, so it's kind of

1231
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: an unprecedented summer. But also you know, Aaron put a

1232
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: good point in the chat, which is like, what if

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01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: this show came out two years ago? I would have

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01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: loved that. I think if this show came out two

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: years ago, like directly after Wakanda forever, I think it

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01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 2: would have been received even more like popularly, probably because

1237
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: of the more direct connections there. I would have loved

1238
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 2: to see it. I would have loved to see Magic

1239
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,919
Speaker 2: come in in a way that wasn't the Supreme Strange

1240
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: and all that. But I also understand that may have

1241
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 2: complicated some of the Wondervision stuff. And then later on

1242
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 2: the way Wander interacted with Doctor Stranger magic. So I

1243
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: don't know, but I will say that hood costume, that

1244
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: hood hood looks a lot like a combination of Doctor

1245
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 2: Stranger's cloak and Wonder's kind of suit. So yeah, again,

1246
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: could have been good. Another great point by Aaron. Could

1247
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: have been great to have this before Agatha to kind

1248
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: of expand out this that could have been a bridge

1249
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 2: between magic and technology, and then Agatha leaning fully into

1250
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: the magic. But yeah, honestly, I am excited for what

1251
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: comes next, and I'm excited to be chopping it up

1252
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: with you because it's gonna be crazy once once we

1253
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: see Super Matt, It's gonna be crazy summer.

1254
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and X ray Vision's Popcorn pop out. We're breaking

1255
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,879
Speaker 1: down Jurassic World rebirth.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: Whoo. I love Jurassic Park. I can't believe that that's

1259
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: another thing we get this summer? What Summer?

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Johnson and Fay Wag.

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01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidi our discord moderator.