1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: Love behind the prison bars turns deadly. I'm Nancy Grace, 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: here at Fox Nation. And Sirius x sem one eleven 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: the infamous Alabama inmate Casey White, who stages a bizarre 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: and almost unbelievable breakout from jail with the help of 7 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: his female lover and now dead jail boss Vicky White 8 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: in the last hours a stunning turn of events, during 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: a routine courtroom hearing regarding the case of Casey White, 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: the convicted Ellen unexpectedly goes to a mic and apologizes 11 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: to jail boss Vicky White's family, admitting in open court 12 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: to the stunning escape that led to a wild, nearly 13 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: two week manhunt last spring. Then everything changes. In exchange 14 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: for a guilty plead to first degree escape, Casey White, 15 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: thirty nine years old, gets the sweetheart deal of prosecutors 16 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: dropping the murder charge he was facing in his lover, 17 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Vicky White's death. This very unplanned plea deal hastily arranged 18 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: when Casey White appeared at the courthouse Thursday for a 19 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: routine status hearing. Now after the defense went to prosecutors 20 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: with a potential resolution, The DA's office went to Vicky 21 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: White's family. Now, according to what we have learned, Vicky's 22 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 2: family relieved that the entire ordeal is almost over and 23 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: that it's all behind them. Or is it what really happened? 24 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: A female jail guard apparently helps a killer a thirty 25 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: six escape and both have seemingly vanished off the face 26 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: of the earth. First of all, take a listen to 27 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: our friends at WVTM thirteen. 28 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: Happening now in North Alabama, the search continues for an 29 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 3: escaped inmate and missing suff deputy. A blue alert was 30 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: issued yesterday, hours after Deputy Vicky White failed to show 31 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 3: up with Casey White, who was not related to her. 32 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: The Lauderdale County Sheriff says the inmate was never scheduled 33 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: to be in court and says their disappearance comes with 34 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: plenty of unanswered questions. 35 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 4: Did she assist him in escaping? That Bob to say, 36 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: a possibility, So we're looking into that. At one angle 37 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 4: of the investigation, was she kidnapped and route to the 38 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 4: courthouse and you know, taking against her wheel. 39 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: Well, the inmate, Casey White, is currently facing capital murder charges. 40 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: He's considered to be armed and dangerous, as Deputy White 41 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: was armed at the. 42 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: Time, So now we believe they are armed to the hilt. 43 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: She has her service weapon and what does he have? 44 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: How do we think this happened to Kwan Lee? 45 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 5: Now, this situation is pretty remarkable. We have a lady 46 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 5: who recently just filed for retirement the day before this 47 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: escape happened, and just recently. So the situation and as 48 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 5: we start getting more details about it, it really bolkles 49 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 5: my mind. For one thing. It's another thing to see 50 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 5: how coordinated this attempt. Well, this escape has been from 51 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 5: top to bottom. 52 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: What do you mean by coordinating? 53 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 5: Well, I'm not necessarily saying that she is in a 54 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 5: breeding but when you look at too many circumstances that 55 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 5: seem so TV is. 56 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: Like TV is, You're right. 57 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: Go ahead, Now, imagine you're selling Netflix a TV series, 58 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 5: a mini series, a docu series, if you will, where 59 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: you have this correstional officer and you have this inmate 60 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 5: that's in accused with murder, and they escaped together. She 61 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 5: recently sold her house, she recently filed for retirement. Netflix 62 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 5: would eat this up. They would actually tell you it's 63 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 5: too so and too cheesy to actually put on their lineup. 64 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 5: But here we walk today and you have this situation 65 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 5: going out in front of us right here around ten o'clock. 66 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: They say they're getting rid of the head to a 67 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 5: mental health evaluation session that we now know is bogus. 68 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 5: And now we have two people on the run for 69 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 5: the past couple of days, and now we've got all 70 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 5: the big wigs involved trying to figure out where these 71 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 5: two could have possibly gone. It's absolutely lud. 72 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: This guy has already murdered a woman at least once 73 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: that we know of, and now he's alone with a woman. 74 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: Her life is in danger. I mean, there is no 75 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: two ways about it, Sheriff. 76 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 4: Oh exactly. And you know, talking about the way that 77 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 4: this would orchestra. Of course, we now know that she 78 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: obviously assisted him escape the facts that we've been able 79 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: to put together. Director White was the assistant director of 80 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: operations at the detention Center. Part of her responsibilities was 81 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: were to coordinate all transports, all inmate transport. 82 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: Hold on, Sheriff. I don't think the rest of the 83 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: world knows how difficult a task that is. I remember 84 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: at the courthouse, Sheriff, I'd be pulling in at quarter 85 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: of eight and I see buses, four to five buses 86 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: coming in from the Fulton County Jail and all around. 87 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: If people have been extradited, going under guard underneath the 88 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: jail house, where then a giant gate would come down 89 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: behind them so they couldn't get out. They'd go under 90 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: the courthouse and then brought up to the courtrooms on 91 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: special secured elevators. So transporting, he just said, she was 92 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: in charge of all that transport. That is no easy thing. 93 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: So she had to be really responsible and really smart 94 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: to do all that exactly. 95 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 4: Just about a few minutes before she left the detention 96 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 4: center with inmate Casey White, two vans of inmates had 97 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: left the detention center. The first van had two deputies 98 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 4: and seven inmates. About ten minutes later, the second van 99 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: left with two deputies and five inmates, headed to the courthouse, 100 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: which is about four blocks up the street. Just minutes 101 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: after that second van left, Director White instructed one of 102 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: the correction deputies to bring Casey White up and prepare 103 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: him for transport. By that we mean that he was handcuffed, 104 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: leg shackles were put on him. She then advised the 105 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 4: booking officer that she was the only certified deputy firearm 106 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 4: certified depty available to carry him, and she was going 107 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: to carry him up but to the courthouse, turn him 108 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: over to other depties, and from there she was going 109 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: to get a medical check up because she wasn't feeling 110 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: them well. 111 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: So when you say he said something else, it's really critical. 112 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Double shackle. He's got handcuffs and leg shackles. The only 113 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: other thing you could have done is put a chain 114 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: around his waist and put the leg shackles and the 115 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: handcuffs chain to the waist shackle, and that. 116 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 4: Was in place. He did have the waist chain on him. 117 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: Gosh, she had to help him. You can't get out 118 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: of a triple shackle like that, just like unless you've 119 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: got the key. I mean, maybe somebody that could get 120 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: a handcuffs like they do in the movies. That does happen. 121 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: You can actually wrangle around sometimes and get out of them, 122 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 2: but out of a waist and a leg shackle, which 123 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: was right. This guy's a convenient is a killer. Of 124 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: course he should be triple shackles, but to do. 125 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 4: That, he'd had to be in a Hootini. He's got 126 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: five minutes, less than five minutes a four block drive 127 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 4: to get out of a waist chain with handcuffs and egghackle, 128 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: somehow gets into the control of the vehicle in her 129 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: in a four block area that's very heavily traveled as 130 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: far as traffic goes, So there's just no way. They 131 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: never headed towards the courthouse. You went through the intersection 132 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 4: and instead of going left to go the courthouse, you 133 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: turned right and went to the shopping center where they 134 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: abandoned the car. 135 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: Joining me. Percy pittser a former federal warren, thirty year 136 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: career in corrections and founder of Creative Corrections Educational Foundation. 137 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: You can find them at CCEEF Scholarships dot org. Percy, 138 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: think so great to have you with us today. Well, 139 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: thank you for having me. What protocols are typically in 140 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: safe now you're a fed, But what protocols would typically 141 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: be in set in place? So a single warden as 142 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: I'm calling her, would not be tempted in any way 143 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: to help an inmate. 144 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think even more important is how 145 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 6: is she allowed to get out of that jail? You know, 146 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 6: it doesn't make sense. I was awarded and there's no 147 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 6: way a doiscrectional officer would not push that button to 148 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 6: let me out what it mean. 149 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean she had the indisha of reliability and authority. 150 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: And I'm going to pose your question to Sheriff Singleton. 151 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: Percy Pitcher is saying, no way would under optimal conditions 152 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: anyone buzzed them out. But this woman, Vicky White, was 153 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: in charge of transport. She had the guy triple shackled 154 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: in the back of the vehicle, which I assume is 155 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: an armored vehicle. In other words, it's scott the medal 156 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: between the driver and the passenger around the window so 157 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: they can't jump out of a window. Why not let 158 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: her out with him. 159 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 4: You know, assistant director. Of course she's also their supervisor. 160 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: And you know, the unfortunate thing about the correction profession 161 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: is it's hard to find people. 162 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 5: That take that job. 163 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: It's a very stressful job, a very challenging job, and 164 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: it's not a job that anyone can do. I hired 165 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: a correct in depty about a month ago. He came 166 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: into work at six o'clock in the morning, left for runch, 167 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: never came back and said he just couldn't handle it. 168 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: It's a very stressful job. And so we have a 169 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: lot of colonel, a lot of our staff are young, inexperienced, 170 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: and it also is not uncommon for us to get 171 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 4: a van to court and a judge say, oh, by 172 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: the way, I need this inmate. And that's primarily what 173 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: Director of White would do. If that happened, then she 174 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: would typically take that one inmate in her patrol car 175 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: because she couldn't getmultiple inmates in there and drum the 176 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: courthouse and turnel over to other deputies. Now, in this 177 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 4: case where you got a capital murder suspect that was 178 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 4: strictly against policy, you know she knew the policies. 179 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: She's the assistant director du Kwan Lee. Isn't true? This woman, 180 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: this woman now we think on the run with an 181 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: accused killer. Well, there's no doubt he did it. He confessed. 182 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: She filed for retirement. She started early in this business, 183 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: and she had been employee of the Year. I don't 184 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: mean of the month over at Walmart where they changed 185 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: the peak they just slide your picture in. I'm talking 186 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: about of the year. 187 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 5: That's correct, like. 188 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: Four times in a row. She had medals of commendation. 189 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: This woman was wethought pure, is the driven snow? I 190 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: mean that I've looked into her record. That's the one 191 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: you would trust. 192 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 5: And Sheriff Singleton can confirm this. She was highly touted 193 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 5: amongst her coworkers. She never was suspected to be a 194 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 5: person that could aid in a criminal rule. It's actually 195 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 5: out of the blue. 196 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: When you are with the worst of the worst day in, 197 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: day out, you have got to have nerves, a steal 198 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: to stay in it. You have got to have nerves 199 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: a steal to do it. 200 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 4: Sheriff absolutely, and Vicky White was with the department almost 201 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: seventeen years. She'd had an unblemished record, not a single 202 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 4: disciplinary action in her file. She was I've been sheriff 203 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 4: seven years. For those seven years she was voted by 204 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: her peers and coworkers as a supervisor or employee of 205 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: the year. In our correcting division. Everyone had the highest 206 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: regard and respect for the director told me Friday night 207 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: that it was like a funeral week at the detention center. 208 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 4: Her co workers were so upset about what had happened. 209 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 4: And you know, people, do you know you just have 210 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: to have been part of this family, this Sheriff's Office, 211 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 4: Correction Division family to understand how devastating this has been 212 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 4: to our employees. I mean, she was highly respected I 213 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: was told the judge that had to sign the wart 214 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: or pride. When she signed the warmth, she was all 215 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 4: by the judges. 216 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Please join us now on 217 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: Fox Nation for a brand new investigation, Parallels of Evil 218 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: the Bundy and Idaho Killings. In this gripping special investigation, 219 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: we bring together an incredible panel of guests who analyze 220 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: disturbing similarities of evil between these horrible crimes. We speak 221 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: with two female Ted Bundy survivors, Karen Pryor and Cheryl Thomas, 222 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: who described their life before and after they were victims 223 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: of Ted Bundy. We also speak with the renowned private 224 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: investigator Bill Warner who worked the cases, and Ted Bundy's 225 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: defense attorney, John Henry Brown. We traveled to Moscow, Idaho, 226 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: to speak with Washington State University students and interview neighbors 227 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: of Brian Coburger. One neighbor shares exclusive insights about the 228 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: suspect in the Idaho killings, Brian Coburger. Don't miss Parallels 229 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: of Evil the Bundy and Idaho Killings, streaming now exclusively 230 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: on Fox. 231 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Nation Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 232 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: For those of you just joining us in the Last 233 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: Day Infamous Alabama convicted felon gets a sweetheart deal, pleading 234 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: guilty to a prison escape in exchange for prosecutors dropping 235 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: a murder charge in Vicky White's death. Now, this was 236 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: a textbook felony murder charge in the death of jail 237 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: boss Vicky White. This is how it works. Felony murder 238 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: simply means that during the commission of a felony, any felony, 239 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: a death occurs. That's felony murder. The purp may not 240 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: intend for any death to occur. I always give this 241 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: great example. Let's just say Jackie and I decide to 242 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: rob a bank, and we make it very clear, nobody 243 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: gets hurt. We go into the bank, and all of 244 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: a sudden, Jackie gets a wild hair and starts shooting 245 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: an oozy and kills a bank teller. 246 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I look at her like what you lost your mind? 247 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: Well, long story short after we're caught racing away like 248 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: Felma and Luise. 249 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm busted for felony murder. 250 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: I was committing a felony and a death occurred, whether 251 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: I wanted it to or not. I'm on the hook 252 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: for felony murder in this case, during the escape a 253 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: prison jail bust, Vicky White ends up dead. As it 254 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: turns out it was by her own gun, shooting herself 255 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: dead as authorities closed in on the two. Even so, 256 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: that's textbook felony murder. So in exchange for the guilty 257 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: plea on escape, he has his murder charge dropped. Well, 258 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: I will never forget the course of events that unfolded 259 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: when those two broke out of jail. Take a listen 260 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: to our friends at WAA Y thirty one. 261 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 7: We start with new details in the nationwide man hunt 262 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 7: for an escaped Lauderdale County inmate and corrections a supervisor 263 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 7: who the Sheriff's office, it says, helped him. New video 264 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 7: from the Lauderdale County Sheriff's Office. It shows former corrections 265 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 7: supervisor Vicky White. She was checking out of the quality 266 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 7: in in Florence in this video. This is the same 267 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 7: day she disappeared with capital murder suspect Casey White. The 268 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 7: hotel is located near where the pair got into their 269 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 7: getaway vehicle. The car was found in Tennessee, just south 270 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 7: of Nashville. 271 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: Wow, so many questions with me an all star panel, 272 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: but the first person I want to go to is 273 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: special guest Sheriff Rick Singleton, the Lauderdale County Sheriff. Sheriff, 274 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Sheriff. A couple of 275 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: quick things based on what we just heard. Where the 276 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 2: car was found in Florence, that is north of Lauderdale County. 277 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: It's lotually the county seat of Lauderdale County. The car 278 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: was found in Tennessee, which is about a two hour 279 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: drive north of Florence. 280 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well you know what I got that half right? 281 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: Hold on, So that was in Bethesda and you're saying 282 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: it's two hours north, correct, yes, ma'am. Would that suggests 283 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: to you, Sheriff, that they are in fact headed north, 284 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: because no way would they go two hours north and 285 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: then turned back and circle back down. Let's just say 286 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: to get lost in Florida. They're definitely traveling north. Wouldn't 287 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: you agree with that? 288 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 4: That's the indication from where the car was found. We 289 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: not We do not know how they left that area, 290 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: you know, where the car was abandoned, if they hitched 291 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: a ride, if they stole another vehicle. Through our knowledge, 292 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: we haven't gotten any reports of stolen vehicles in the area. 293 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 4: If they had a second car. You know, we're just 294 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: not sure. 295 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: Let's analyze what you just said here. Rick Singleton said 296 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: they either walked away from the car. They either hitched 297 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: your ride, or they had another car ready. I want 298 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: to analyze did they have another car ready? First question, Sheriff, 299 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: why did they ditch the car? Did they have car trouble? 300 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 4: Well, we're still not certain that that was the issue. 301 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 4: The car was abandoned in a rural area on a 302 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 4: county road where it would obviously be seen and it 303 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 4: would be reported. So you know, it's either one of 304 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: two things. Either even ditched the vehicle there to throw 305 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 4: us off, or they had car trouble. I've not heard 306 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: from the investigators if they checked the mechanics of the car. 307 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: It appeared from one photo I've seen, and I've not 308 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: personally seen the car. It is being brought back here 309 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: to Florence this morning. It appeared to have had a 310 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: flat tire. 311 00:19:52,640 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: This woman, Vicky White Karen Stark in this Vicky White 312 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: made elaborate plans, and Sheriff correct me if I'm wrong. 313 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: She planned down to the day of her retirement. She 314 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: sold her home ahead of time. She withdrew ninety thousand 315 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: dollars cash from multiple banks. She stayed in a hotel 316 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: the night before she bought the getaway car under an 317 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: assumed name, I think with cash. She parked that car 318 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: in a shopping center. She had a part in a 319 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: spot where it would not be observed by surveillance video. 320 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: She had everything planned. She'd been talking to her coworkers 321 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: about her retirement, that she was going to go to 322 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: sit on a beach somewhere. Everything was carefully planned. So 323 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: why wouldn't there be a planned be Karen stark Well, hearing. 324 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 8: What everyone had to say, Nancy, it seems to me, 325 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 8: I mean, this is a very shrewd woman. She could 326 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 8: have been working on this, I suspect for years, and 327 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 8: so there had to be some kind of a backup plan. 328 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 8: If to me, if she painted it, they planned to 329 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 8: paint it, they had a flat tire, or something happened. 330 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 8: I have no doubt they found another vehicle so that 331 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 8: they did something that got them to be able to 332 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 8: travel away. 333 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: Do you think they had a plan B? Just boil 334 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: it down for me, okay, because I'm just a JD. 335 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: You're the shrink Plan B or no plan? By very 336 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: simple Yes, yes, you think there was a plan. B Okay, 337 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: Sheriff Singleton. You know what else I think was planned? 338 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: Something that his mother said, how she's talking about how 339 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: he's really not a bad guy. Okay, bs on that 340 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: she said, Sheriff, Oh, he didn't kill that woman. He 341 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: just confessed to it so he could get brought back 342 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: to the local jail. So I'm wondering how long this 343 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: plan had been in the works. Did he of course, 344 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: he killed Austin's mother, we know that. But did he 345 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: give the confession in order to get back to the 346 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: local jail to hook back up with Vicky White? What 347 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 2: do you think about that? 348 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 4: Well, I know that that theory is out there. I 349 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 4: don't I know that he confessed to the homicide of 350 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 4: Connie Ridgeway and he was facing charges for that. 351 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 9: Uh. 352 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 4: Some other things about how calculating Vicky White was in 353 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: this plan. We also know now that prior to the 354 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: escape that she was shopping for clothes, men's clothes and 355 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: a local clothing store. She also shopped in an Annault store. 356 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 4: And uh, you know the the thing about the abandoned car, 357 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 4: you know, the thing that questioned me if they were 358 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 4: going to abandon it for a plan? B Why would 359 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: they riff driving it for two hours? I guess assuming 360 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 4: we get amnification on the car sooner, it looked like 361 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 4: they would have missed it a little closer. But there's 362 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: still a lot of questions will be answered to turning. 363 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 4: You know the car and where it was abandoned, and 364 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: how they left that area. We're looking at every possible. 365 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: Scenario, a stunning plea deal. In the case of convicted 366 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: felon Casey White, the inmate, towering over his lawyer in court, 367 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: takes a plea deal, the plea deal life behind bars 368 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: for a string of felonies. And remember he was already 369 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: behind bars when he escaped. But how did the whole 370 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: thing unfold at the time? How was this possible? You 371 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: said that she had been shopping from men's clothing ahead 372 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: of the bus, right, yes, ma'am. Now, I think that's 373 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: where that rumor is circulating, that they stopped at some 374 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: adult I guess a sex story shop. But that was 375 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: before she sprung him. 376 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 4: Right, yes, ma'am. That was in the days leading up 377 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 4: through the escape. 378 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: Wow, you're doing a lot of background work. What about 379 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: where she parked the getaway car, sheriff, Was it in 380 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: a spot in that shopping center where video would not 381 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: catch it. 382 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: Well, it was. It was a very obvious part spot. 383 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: It was right on the side of one of the 384 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 4: busiest streets here in Florence. The cover there was that 385 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 4: there are several other cars parked there that are for sale, 386 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 4: older cars, and so it sort of blended in because 387 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: it's a low profile car as far as the light 388 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 4: borrow on it and so forth, that the forward cars 389 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: sens a little lower, and you know, it didn't just 390 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: stand out, you know at someone that wasn't It wasn't 391 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 4: like a big suv or something. 392 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: But what I'm getting at, Sheriff is if you could 393 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: see it on video, couldn't you see him? I mean, 394 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: couldn't you see them getting into the car? 395 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 4: No, ma'am. There was no video footage in the shop 396 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 4: in the area that depicted that. But there again, that's 397 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 4: another reason I think she chose this location because we 398 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 4: did have a witness who saw the getaway car there 399 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: the night before I actually looked at it. He was 400 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: looking at the car that were for sale there, and 401 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 4: he looked at that specific car and went around the 402 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: front without the number to call about it. And there 403 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: was no for sale sign, no phone number on it. 404 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: He thought that was odd being it was parked there 405 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 4: among other cars for. 406 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: Sale, and Sheriff, it didn't already have the green paint 407 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: on it at that time? Did it? No? 408 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: Bad? It did not have the paint on it? 409 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay? You know, I want to serve one more thing, 410 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: Sheriff before I go to Austin and Xavier wheary, Sheriff, 411 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: what about his medication? Is it medication that he has 412 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: to have refilled? 413 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 4: He is on medication, and you know there's no medication 414 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 4: taken with them to our knowledge. I don't know. I'm 415 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: not that familiar with his specific situation concerning his medical needs, 416 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 4: but I do know that I've been told that he 417 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: can get pretty violent if he's not on his meds. 418 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if it's anything that he's going to 419 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: have to get, like, is he diabetic? Does he have 420 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: a heart problem? Is there something he has to take 421 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: they're going to have to stop and get somehow or 422 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: did she get that pre ordered as well? Xavier? Where 423 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: he joining me from w A A Y TV. Xavier, 424 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: thanks for being with us, tell me the very latest. 425 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 10: Yeah, So, I mean really after speaking with Sheriff Singleton. 426 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 10: We're still just trying to make sure that we, you know, 427 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 10: push out the facts right. And the fact is that 428 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 10: we really don't know where they are. Again, we know 429 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 10: that the car was last located in Williamson County, Tennessee, 430 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 10: a week after they actually get the vehicles. So I 431 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 10: spoke with someone from the US Marshall Services and they 432 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 10: told me that, you know, although it is a week later, 433 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 10: they are glad did they now have a sense of 434 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 10: direction as to where they are. But again, they could 435 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 10: really be going anywhere at this moment in time. 436 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: Hey, Sheriff Rick Singleton joining me, the elected sheriff in 437 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: Lauderdale County, Sheriff, how far is it from where their 438 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: escape vehicle, the four Taurus Orange four Taurus was abandoned 439 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: to a major interstate It. 440 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 4: Was within about three miles the last sixty five just 441 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: south of Nashville and Franklin, Tennessee. 442 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, just south of Nashville or Franklin about Okay, Yeah, 443 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: I think I know what happened. 444 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 11: Nancy to interrupt jump in. But the interesting thing is, 445 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 11: for the last nine months, I've been dropping through BESDA 446 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 11: for a trilogy. Is working on to a spring Hill, 447 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 11: So I'm very familiar with that kind of like with 448 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 11: that route. It's a very rural area, but it is 449 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 11: close to the interstate spring Hill. 450 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: So what interstate was it? Sheriff I sixty five, and 451 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: that's just three miles south of Nashville and Franklin. 452 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 4: It was three miles east of ICE sixty five. It's 453 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 4: about twenty miles south of Nashville. 454 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Where will I sixty five take you, Sheriff? If you 455 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: follow it, where will it go? 456 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 4: I sixty five originates in Mobile, Alabama on the southern end, 457 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: and it goes into Chicago. 458 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm learning a lot right now. So here we 459 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: go I sixty five, three miles from I sixty five, 460 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: from where they dumped that car, he says. The sheriff 461 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: tells us it looks like it had a flat. Trying 462 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: to work the car over and see if there was 463 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: any other problem. It was not spray painted green before 464 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: it was left. They did that, So what is their thinking? 465 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: Where will they go to you? Bobby Chaconne joining me 466 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: twenty seven years FBI agent. If they only had three 467 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: miles to walk, and this is in a rural area, 468 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: they could stay under the cover of trees, got to 469 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 2: get I would get canines out there to follow their 470 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: sentenceee which way they were going, but obviously toward that 471 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: Interstate I sixty five. Once they get to I sixty five, 472 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: anybody could have picked them up. I mean, you're right 473 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: there at Nashville and Franklin. People from all over the 474 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: world are going to Nashville. How far north of Florence 475 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: were they? Was it two hours? 476 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 10: Yes, it is about two hours. 477 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: Or was it three? Was it two or three hours north? 478 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: Sheriff it's about two hours. The vehicle was found neu 479 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 4: east of spring Hill, as the gentleman said, spring Hill, Tennessee. 480 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's about two hours from Florence, Alabama to 481 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: that location. 482 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you know to Sheriffrick Singleton joining me, the 483 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: elected sheriff, they're in Lauderdale County again, especially to you 484 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: and Austin. I'm so grateful for you guys being with us, 485 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out, Sheriff Singleton, what else 486 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: I can learn from that car that was abandoned. Obviously 487 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: they tried to spray painted green. That tells me they 488 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: wanted to stay in that car. That tells me they 489 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: did not have a plan for a second vehicle. Tell 490 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: me about you said and your press release in your 491 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: conference that they left it in a very obvious spot. 492 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: Do you believe that was by plan? I don't. What's 493 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: your thinking, Sheriff. 494 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 4: I don't perfectly think it was brand the reason it 495 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 4: attracted attention so soon. This car was reported spotted at 496 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 4: one fifty pm on Friday, April twenty ninth, the same 497 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: morning as they escaped. They left the Florent area of 498 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 4: approximately ten o'clock, so that's three hours and fifty minutes. 499 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: That's a two hour drive. Obviously, they are somewhere on 500 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: the raft and took the time to try to paint 501 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: the car. I don't really think it was because it 502 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 4: was part right in an intersection. And what attracted the 503 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 4: attention so soon was a homeowner right up the road 504 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 4: was out walking and saw the vehicle and she was 505 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 4: concerned the school bus would not be able to make 506 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 4: the turn because it was abandoned at an intersection, and 507 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 4: so she immediately called. This was just shortly before school 508 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 4: was to let out, so she immediately called the sheriff office. 509 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: They sent up dispatching the deputy. They had the car 510 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 4: told and it was told at two thirty seven, So 511 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 4: you know, I don't really think that was in their 512 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 4: plan personally. Again, I can't prove that. I wish I could. 513 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 4: I wish we had more. Fact, well, we knew exactly 514 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: why they abandoned the car, but my gut's telling me 515 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 4: that it threw them a curve, that they got caught 516 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: without transportation and took some kind of desperate means to 517 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: find transportation from there. 518 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: All right, now, you're telling me they abandoned the car. 519 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: How many hours after they left the show popping center. 520 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 4: Thetro car was spotted on video at nine forty nine 521 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 4: am at an intersection just two blocks from where the 522 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 4: car was abandoned and where they switched vehicles. So you know, 523 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 4: by the time they got it part got into the 524 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 4: other vehicle, they were leaving the Farest area or prossibly 525 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 4: ten o'clock that morning. The car was found at one fifty, 526 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 4: which was three hours and fifty minutes. 527 00:32:40,040 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace those of you just joining headline. 528 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: Infamous convicted felon Casey White takes a sweetheart plea deal 529 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: in an Alabama courtroom, never going to trial for the 530 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: death of his lover Vicky White reality. Maybe it was 531 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: a sweetheart deal for the state too. Would a jury 532 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: have actually convicted him when his lover, jail boss, Vicky White, 533 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: shot herself as authorities closed in after nearly two weeks 534 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: on the run, would they hold Casey White libel under 535 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: the strict letter of the law. Yes, but you never 536 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: know what a jury is going to do. But I 537 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: do know this, I know the fact surrounding this case. 538 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 2: Listen to what we have on record as the last 539 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: transmissions of hearing Vicky White on. 540 00:33:52,160 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 12: Radio He'll know. 541 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 8: Don We'll get out wrong hotel. 542 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: You are hearing the last utterances of Vicky White on 543 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: the run with their jailhouse lover six foot nine. 544 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 10: Uh. 545 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 2: At the least what happened after that is very well documented. 546 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirty six our friends 547 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: a w ev V Fox forty four. 548 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 13: We are right over here just off of Highway forty 549 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 13: one and Bert and you can kind of see the 550 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 13: scene is very chaotic. Right now, we are still learning details, 551 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 13: but we can confirm that both Casey and VICKI one 552 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 13: is in custody and one is in the hospital. The 553 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 13: females actually in the hospital. We know that they are 554 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 13: driving down here at least pursue about seventy miles per hour. 555 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 14: You can see that car flip over in the ditch. 556 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 2: Let's get out and run. The chilling nine to one 557 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 2: to one audio reveals on the run prison guard Vicky 558 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: White's last words to her escape belover Casey White special 559 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: guest joining us Sheriff Rick Singleton, the Lauderdale County elected sheriff. Sheriff, 560 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I know that you're 561 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: going through a lot right now, from losing a trusted 562 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: jail house employee for many, many years, somebody that you respected, 563 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 2: a co worker, a friend, the betrayal of that, and 564 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: now her death. 565 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 4: It's been a roller coaster in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, 566 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 4: I just don't really know how to explain it. I 567 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 4: may know. When we first got word that they had left, 568 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 4: our initial feeling was that he had somehow, you know, 569 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 4: overpowered her and taken her against her will. And it 570 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 4: wasn't too many hours into the investigation when we realized 571 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 4: that she had played a part in it. We were 572 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 4: still grasping straws, hoping that maybe someone from outside on 573 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 4: his behalf had threatened her, threatened her family coerced her 574 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 4: into helping him escape, but within a matter of a 575 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 4: few days it became obvious. 576 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: That she was very much involved in this plan, very 577 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: much involved in the plan, if not even the mastermind 578 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: of the plan. Guys, take a listen to our cut 579 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: forty our friends at WZTM thirteen. 580 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 14: Nicky White has died tonight. 581 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 15: Investigators say she shot herself following a cour chase with 582 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 15: law enforcement. It all came to an end today in Evansville, Indiana. 583 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 15: That's about a two hundred and twenty mile journey from Laterdale. 584 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 4: This is the press conference we've been talking about all 585 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 4: week that we wanted to call. 586 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 14: After days of searching across the country. 587 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 4: Kasey White and Vicky White are in custody. 588 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 14: The duo was hunted down in Indiana. 589 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 15: US Marshalls received a tip about a car this Catillanc 590 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 15: believed to be driven by Casey and Vicki and Evansville. 591 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 14: That led to a chase. 592 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 4: The Marshal's Task Force officers intercepted them, actually collided with 593 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 4: them to try to in the pursuit. 594 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 15: After the crash, According to law enforcements, Vicky shot herself 595 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 15: and later died in the hospital, Casey peacefully surrendered. 596 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 4: We got a dangerous man off the street today. He 597 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 4: is never going to see the light to day again. 598 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: Straight out to Brittany Harry joining us from WAA y 599 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 2: thirty one. You can find her on Facebook. Brittany Harry 600 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 2: needs Brittany, thank you for being with us. Explain how 601 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 2: the whole thing unfolded. And you know, everybody keeps saying, 602 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: we knew how it was going to end, we knew 603 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 2: how it was going to end. I felt all along 604 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 2: that there was a very high percentage if I was 605 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: a betting person that somehow Vicky Fhite would end up dead. 606 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 2: And you hear her last words, let's get out run, 607 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: And you hear her also saying, I knew we shouldn't 608 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 2: have left the hotel. We should never have left the hotel. 609 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 2: Tell me how the whole capture played out. 610 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 16: Here in Evansville. I have been in contact with the 611 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 16: sheriff here in police and local authorities, and what we know. 612 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 16: According to the sheriff, as he mentioned in a press 613 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 16: conference yesterday, was Vicky and Casey were seen leaving that 614 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 16: motel forty one along Highway forty one here in Evansville, Indiana, 615 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 16: and not long after they left the parking lot, we 616 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 16: know that a pursuit ensued and not long after that 617 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 16: it ended with a crash. But Sheriff Day Wedding here 618 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 16: in Vanderberg County, Indiana said yesterday that US marshalls actually 619 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 16: rammed the vehicle, that Cadillac that. 620 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 8: They were into a ditch. 621 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 16: That's really how that crash happened and how all of 622 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 16: this ended. And Sheriff Wedding said yesterday that had that 623 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 16: not happened, this might have had a different ending because 624 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 16: he says that Casey told authorities that he planned to 625 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 16: have a shootout with law enforcement. So Sheriff Wedding obviously 626 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 16: said that he's very very grateful that that is not 627 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 16: what happened. 628 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: Here Sheriff Rick Singleton joining us, the elected Laurdal County 629 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: sheriff sheriff. How did they get the Caddy? 630 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 4: I understanding is they purchased it up. We found the 631 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 4: first vehicle that we were able to identify, the Ford 632 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 4: Edge abandoned in Tennessee actually a week after they left, 633 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 4: and it was actually abandoned the day they left. We 634 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 4: know that they purchased a black pickup truck in that 635 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 4: area that's the pickup truck that was found at the 636 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 4: car wash up in Indiana. The local police ran that vehicle. 637 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 4: It didn't come back to Goldham because it wasn't total them. 638 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 4: They purchased it, they abandoned it and apparently got the 639 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 4: Cadillac I'm assuming and they probably purchased it too. They 640 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 4: had the cash with them. 641 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 2: Were they down to about twenty nine grand? 642 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 4: That's my understanding. That was the proximal amount that was recovered. 643 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 2: So they ran through seventy thousand dollars, Is that right, sheriff? 644 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 4: You know, she had already purchased one vehicle here. She 645 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 4: had made several other purchases, clothes for him, you know, 646 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 4: that sort of thing, So they had a considerable sum 647 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 4: of money. 648 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that they managed to pull off 649 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 2: so many car purchases. Staying in a hotel, they had 650 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 2: to eat. How were they getting that? Were they going out? 651 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 2: Were they ordering in? How did they register into the 652 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 2: hotel without driver's licenses or without anyone identifying them. We 653 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: understand they may have paid a guy to register at 654 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 2: the hotel, But the buying of the multiple cars, the vehicles, 655 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 2: the hotel, the food, the car wash take a listen 656 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 2: hour cut thirty seven our friends at Waay. 657 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 9: Just today, Investigation released this photo of a two thousand 658 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 9: and six Ford F one to fifty pickup truck in 659 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 9: Evansville that authorities say the couple abandoned at a car 660 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 9: wash around May third. It wasn't until Sunday that authority's 661 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 9: got the tip. Turns out the two were still in 662 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 9: the area. 663 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 4: We got a dangerous man off the street today. He 664 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 4: is never going to see the line to day again. 665 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 9: For days, law enforcement had urged the public to be 666 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 9: on the lookout, hoping Casey White's six foot nine, three 667 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 9: hundred and forty pounds size would make him easy to spot. 668 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 9: Sheriff Singleton is anxious to have him back in custody 669 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 9: in North Alabama to face charges of capital murder from 670 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 9: the twenty fifteen stabbing of Connie Ridgeway. 671 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 4: We've already made arrangument for the Department of Correction. He 672 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 4: will be brought here for arrangement. If it's two o'clock 673 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 4: in the morning, it doesn't matter. The judge was agreed 674 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 4: to come out. 675 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 2: Another good feature of a guilty plea is that it 676 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 2: can very rarely be overturned. May an appellate court, unlike 677 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 2: a trial. Hopefully Vicki White's family finally getting peace. Nancy 678 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend,