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Speaker 1: All right, John Middlecoff and I are doing a special
Speaker 1: edition Wednesday afternoon podcast. It'll range from will Chris Ballard
Speaker 1: survive with the Colts, brought Purdy's dismal showing against the
Speaker 1: Lions in the second half, Saquon Barkley resting that's at
Speaker 1: the end of it. Let's start with college football. So
Speaker 1: listen to Ohio State's leading thirty four to nothing at half,
Speaker 1: and John and I decided it's a good time to
Speaker 1: do the podcast, So listen to thirteen member committee selected,
Speaker 1: you know, the teams to get in. And this is
Speaker 1: what bureau crats and you know, people who are political create,
Speaker 1: is that nobody thought SMU and Boise State they didn't
Speaker 1: look the part in the regular season. You know, they
Speaker 1: play in weaker conferences. But the thing that really outraged
Speaker 1: me was Oregon's first game against the winner of Ohio
Speaker 1: State Tennessee, which is a much tougher path than Penn
Speaker 1: State gets against SMU and Boise State. So the failing
Speaker 1: of the committee and committees are created to innately fail.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's thirteen different people with thirteen different opinions.
Speaker 1: We know juries in this country have let the wrong
Speaker 1: people walk in my life. I just look at Oregon
Speaker 1: season and they were the best team on the field,
Speaker 1: and it's very hard to ask somebody to beat somebody
Speaker 1: for a second time. I picked Ohio State to win it.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would look like this. But that's
Speaker 1: not the inclusion of Boise State or SMU. This is
Speaker 1: what bothered me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I clearly Oregon got a raw deal,
Speaker 2: but let's face at the Walhio State has played the
Speaker 2: first game and the way they look in the second game,
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would sniff them right now. They
Speaker 2: would beat everyone in the country easily. But I hear you,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think part of it is they were
Speaker 2: so there's so much cya of not getting sued. We
Speaker 2: had to include a non Power four program, and Boise
Speaker 2: showed out decently. I thought, yeah, right, And so today
Speaker 2: a shoe who plays in a Power five conference, but
Speaker 2: we all look at Big twelve like, are they any good? Right?
Speaker 2: I think you could argue also Oregon, these teams, you're
Speaker 2: all tied in with the bulls, with this money, so
Speaker 2: many people with their hands in the cookie jar. How
Speaker 2: does Oregon not get a home game? How do these
Speaker 2: teams Texas? I mean, it's a pretty big advantage to
Speaker 2: play in these neutral site games. What's the point of
Speaker 2: playing all season?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Oregon did not get a home game.
Speaker 1: That to me is just you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: I mean Notre Dame lost to a directional school and
Speaker 1: got one. It's crazy, not even a good directional school.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Ohio State and listen, when you go
Speaker 1: to a movie, if you went to a movie that
Speaker 1: took a while to build up but the ending was great,
Speaker 1: I always thought that was usual suspects. It's a good movie,
Speaker 1: you go home feeling great. If a movie starts fast
Speaker 1: and dies out, you never feel satisfied. College football now
Speaker 1: has a bigger, more dynamic ending to the season. But
Speaker 1: it does, and we knew this was coming. John. It's
Speaker 1: not that the regular season doesn't matter, but Ohio State
Speaker 1: not only lost a horrible game, they lost it late,
Speaker 1: and they looked like garbage against Michigan, and they still
Speaker 1: got in. Now, I don't have a problem with them
Speaker 1: getting in. I don't mind the regular season meaningless because
Speaker 1: I'm still going to watch the games. I watch the NFL.
Speaker 1: I know that you can start off one and four
Speaker 1: and make the playoffs. I still watch the games. I
Speaker 1: think we put I think the narrative that it's going
Speaker 1: to kill college football. College football ratings this year were good.
Speaker 1: It's just what it means is if you're a good
Speaker 1: team with lots of blowouts, you can even lose a
Speaker 1: really ugly game late and.
Speaker 2: You get in.
Speaker 1: And my take is, yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs lost
Speaker 1: to the Raiders late in the season last year and
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. You shouldn't be punished severely if
Speaker 1: you're excellent just because you lose in November and not
Speaker 1: in September. So I'm that part of it has never
Speaker 1: bothered me that the regular season will mean less. I'm
Speaker 1: still watching the games.
Speaker 2: I think there's a magnifying glass. I was just thinking,
Speaker 2: to listen to you talk. I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: game that actually means more. A non playoff game in
Speaker 2: college football or the NFL, than Ohio State versus Michigan.
Speaker 2: I think it's clearly separated as the game that means
Speaker 2: the most. Saban recently went off. He can't comprehend because
Speaker 2: even in his mind he was able to make every
Speaker 2: game the same, even though they had Auburn as one
Speaker 2: of the biggest rivalries in college football. Tennessee is a
Speaker 2: big rivalry, but it never felt any different than when
Speaker 2: they played Ole Miss than when they played LSU. He
Speaker 2: was BELICHICKI in that way, every opponent meant a lot.
Speaker 2: At Ohio State, it just doesn't. I mean even Ryan
Speaker 2: Day said like this can never happen again. That was
Speaker 2: three days before they lost, you know, so the emphasis
Speaker 2: that has been put on that game, and I think
Speaker 2: Harbaugh helped take it to another level. And then Ryan
Speaker 2: Day starting to lose, and I just think that game
Speaker 2: feels like five games in one and then the way
Speaker 2: they lost, and in fairness, you watch Michigan twenty four
Speaker 2: hours ago against Alabama. Now, I understand Alabama had some
Speaker 2: opt outs. They look pretty good, They're coming to play.
Speaker 2: They have a defensive coordinator that makes two and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars that was just coaching at Baltimore a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago and was viewed as one of
Speaker 2: the best defensive minds in football. So it's like, that's
Speaker 2: a real, real defense, and I just think, you look
Speaker 2: at that game, it was hard not to overreact. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it might have just been as simple as the
Speaker 2: coaching staff, specifically Ryan, the players they got a little
Speaker 2: tight because the way they've looked now, it's like a looseness.
Speaker 2: We have been talking about their roster and the talent
Speaker 2: on their team. Like, to me, the difference of them
Speaker 2: in Texas Texas man for man is low is as
Speaker 2: well their quarterback. I'm sorry, I just don't trust on
Speaker 2: a play and play. Yeah, Will Howard's playing pretty well
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, but the Will Howard we have seen
Speaker 2: in the first playoff game and the second playoff game
Speaker 2: is gonna look like this. They're just not gonna lose, right,
Speaker 2: And they have a wide receiver, an eighteen year old kid.
Speaker 2: It looks like you weighs two hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 2: That is unstoppable. Listen, Like Oregon's not trying to cover him,
Speaker 2: they just can't.
Speaker 1: You're you're a former NFL scout because Travis Hunter wants
Speaker 1: to go both ways. If you told me today Caleb
Speaker 1: Downs and Jeremiah Smith and the Buckeyes were in this draft,
Speaker 1: I would take them one and two in any order.
Speaker 1: Because Travis Hunter I do not like this high profile
Speaker 1: want to play both sides of the ball. Eventually, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to pick a side. I think Caleb Downs
Speaker 1: is a better corner than Travis Hunter. I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the best college players I've seen in the backfield.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding when I say this. I was told
Speaker 1: by an NFL general manager that Caleb Downs will be
Speaker 1: the number one pick next year. He said, I don't
Speaker 1: care who in proofs he goes outside of a star quarterback,
Speaker 1: and we may have one. If Drew Allert Penn State flourishes,
Speaker 1: he may come out this year, next year, whatever. But
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs, and they're not eligible for
Speaker 1: the draft. Those guys are not college players. They're pros
Speaker 1: playing on Saturday. Like So, my takeaway is Ohio State
Speaker 1: has two players, one on both sides. They're just not
Speaker 1: college players. I felt this about Jamar Chase at LSU.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, that's not a college player. It's a
Speaker 1: pro playing on Saturdays. If he was a basketball player,
Speaker 1: he'd be in the NBA.
Speaker 2: I think the problem with Travis Hunter, and I saw
Speaker 2: Dion say this within the last month, do not draft
Speaker 2: him if you don't embrace him playing both ways, because
Speaker 2: that's the game plan. And to me, Dion not only
Speaker 2: speaks as his coach, it feels like he speaks as
Speaker 2: his parent, feels like he speaks as his agent, like
Speaker 2: that's his representation for Travis Hunter. And I do think
Speaker 2: that's going to be complicated because he is truly dead
Speaker 2: set on that and based on what he's doing in college,
Speaker 2: I understand that. Said, I don't believe it can work
Speaker 2: because of the wear and tear. Same you know same.
Speaker 2: But like you say, those other two guys like just
Speaker 2: have defined roles. It's very defined because I my thing
Speaker 2: with Travis Hunter is if you're my best corner, my
Speaker 2: best wide receiver, If you get injured, I lose two players.
Speaker 2: You know were those other guys you also get rest?
Speaker 2: So I yeah, I hear you, Jeremiah Smith thing, I
Speaker 2: don't remember seeing a wide receiver this dominant this early,
Speaker 2: where his body type was that physically developed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 2: Reminds me it looks so big.
Speaker 1: When I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas, I covered
Speaker 1: Larry Johnson, the basketball player at UNLV, and that was
Speaker 1: before weightlifting was a part of EEP sports in general.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was out there, but it wasn't like
Speaker 1: basketball players weren't spending a lot of time in the gym.
Speaker 1: But Larry Johnson was so physically dominant that at the
Speaker 1: college level, you got twenty six points just on putbacks,
Speaker 1: just on second opportunities. He weighs. He weighed forty five
Speaker 1: pounds more than other forwards and was stronger than all
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: So I just look.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing about Will Howard. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: he's a big, strong kid who's mobile. So he's a
Speaker 1: draftable player.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I saw him play at Kansas State. I thought, that's
Speaker 1: a big, strong kid. Now you give him star players.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's an NFL starter, but I
Speaker 1: think right now, Ohio State has the best combination of
Speaker 1: coaching and talent. Whether they have better talent than Georgia
Speaker 1: or Texas, you know who knows. But last year Michigan
Speaker 1: only had like three five star guys. Alabama had like eighteen.
Speaker 1: You know, Georgia has fifteen over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: So talent's hard to do. You get the most out
Speaker 1: of your talent. But I don't think we're overreacting to
Speaker 1: say that the last two games, Ohio State's hitting harder,
Speaker 1: they're more explosive. They don't look these these games. They're
Speaker 1: intimidating Oregon. They intimidated Tennessee. They look like Tyson at
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, like other big men fear him
Speaker 1: in the ring. Ohio State looks. I think Oregon like
Speaker 1: surrendered about eight minutes in. It was like it was over.
Speaker 2: Well, the irony was was when the other game ended
Speaker 2: and you came right to the game and it was
Speaker 2: seven to nothing and you're like, whoa, We're just there's
Speaker 2: a minute end of the game. And then followers like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a two place, seventy yard drive. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a problem. But we had just seen
Speaker 2: the same thing with Texas and then they slowed down immediately.
Speaker 2: Ohio State, their foot never came off the pedal. I
Speaker 2: do wonder if after because they tried to get into
Speaker 2: a heavyweight fight with Michigan instead of just slinging the
Speaker 2: rock around where Michigan wouldn't slow them down, and they
Speaker 2: lost in a bit them and I think everyone called
Speaker 2: out their manhood and their toughness, like you think you're
Speaker 2: a tough program. We've seen you against this Harbaugh level operation,
Speaker 2: and I would say Michigan still has that soul in
Speaker 2: them the way they play, and you're not as tough
Speaker 2: as them, and they go, we are a tough team.
Speaker 2: We've paid a premium for all these guys. I mean,
Speaker 2: you see the physicality and the speed in which they
Speaker 2: have and it's almost like they got to reset and
Speaker 2: take it personal because they've come out with a violence
Speaker 2: that you just haven't seen in college football.
Speaker 1: I mean, I tak a perfect one perfect word is violent.
Speaker 1: They look violent defensively.
Speaker 2: We'll see it hopefully this you know, Georgia Notre Dame
Speaker 2: game actually gets played. But I think there's only one
Speaker 2: other team that can truly match their violence, and that's
Speaker 2: Georgia and we saw them do that. I think the
Speaker 2: first time they played Texas in Austin. You're like, Jesus,
Speaker 2: that's what Ohio State has come out on defense, because
Speaker 2: we know offensively, if they just are playing A B
Speaker 2: minus B plus you know somewhere in the B they
Speaker 2: don't even need an A game. They're gonna be hard
Speaker 2: to beat because they can score points. If their defense
Speaker 2: is gonna look like this, I mean, good good luck.
Speaker 2: Because Georgia doesn't have that explosion. Obviously, Notre Dame doesn't
Speaker 2: have that explosion. Texas, you just can't trust. Their offense
Speaker 2: just goes through terrible spurts. Penn State. I think it's
Speaker 2: probably the one team would be comfortable because they've seen them,
Speaker 2: they know their personnel wouldn't be intimidated by them. But
Speaker 2: that's they still got a You know, we got a
Speaker 2: long way to go before we get that matchup.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about Texas thirty nine Arizona State thirty
Speaker 1: one in double overtime. So let's not Let's just start
Speaker 1: with the targeting infraction that wasn't called and that gave Texas.
Speaker 1: It was a that gave Texas an opportunity because in
Speaker 1: my opinion, if they call targeting, which it looked like
Speaker 1: to me, then Arizona State. Do you believe they go
Speaker 1: on to win the game.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it would have changed. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it would have dramatically changed the situation.
Speaker 1: All right, So targeting, I looked it up. It's forcible
Speaker 1: contact with an opponent that goes beyond illegal tackle. The
Speaker 1: rule is intended to reduce concussions, and you can't lead
Speaker 1: with the crown of your helmet. Well that's three for
Speaker 1: three targeting. I almost felt like watching the game that
Speaker 1: referees didn't want to decide it that the crown of
Speaker 1: the helmet because if it's forcible contact with an opponent
Speaker 1: that goes beyond a legal tackle, well, a legal tackle,
Speaker 1: you can't lead with a helmet. It was helmet on helmet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like officials thought, you know what, it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily the crown of the helmet. It was more helmet
Speaker 1: on helmet. And there are helmet on helmet hits a
Speaker 1: lot in college football and pro football that aren't called.
Speaker 1: But I thought the officials, I think in the first
Speaker 1: quarter that's more of a targeting. I think in the
Speaker 1: third quarter it's targeting. I thought in that moment, refs
Speaker 1: were like, it's almost like NBA refs in a playoff game,
Speaker 1: Game seven, they're gonna give you more contact. They do
Speaker 1: not want. The NBA Finals decided the free throw.
Speaker 2: Line, yeah to me. In college football, they call that
Speaker 2: every time. Yes, I got the there was a play
Speaker 2: earlier in the game or the second half where Arizona
Speaker 2: State picks yours and the other player last second, the
Speaker 2: other defender turns his body but still takes out the
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Massive collision. I think ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: the time they call that. And I was gonna throw
Speaker 2: up if they had called that, because that would have
Speaker 2: dramatically changed the game as well, and I was surprised
Speaker 2: honestly they didn't. But I think the moment they didn't
Speaker 2: call that, and you could say, well he turned last yek,
Speaker 2: he still took him out. His head flew back. They
Speaker 2: called that. I watched college football for three straight months.
Speaker 2: That's called every single every time, which I hate. I
Speaker 2: hate targeting because I hate the rule. In general. College
Speaker 2: football is way more punitive than the NFL because they
Speaker 2: kicked these kids out for a game and then they
Speaker 2: missed the half of the next game. Most of these
Speaker 2: guys aren't ed reed, they're not going to the NFL,
Speaker 2: so they only get to start a couple of years
Speaker 2: in college. I think we have moved past this point
Speaker 2: of five ten years ago. The CTE, the lawsuits, It
Speaker 2: has been coached out of the game. No one is
Speaker 2: trying to injure anybody. And I think all this stuff,
Speaker 2: it's the game has played so quickly. We saw it
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago when Trevor Lawrence slid and the
Speaker 2: dude from the Houston Texans al Shire took him out.
Speaker 2: No one's trying to hurt anybody these things. It's so
Speaker 2: easy to judge everything from your couch. This has been
Speaker 2: coached out of the game, actively coached out of the game,
Speaker 2: from the lowest levels up through the NFL. I think
Speaker 2: we need to get rid of it, honestly. Yeah, in general,
Speaker 2: I hate even having these debates. It should just be
Speaker 2: like forever it wasn't called and then they overreacted because
Speaker 2: the CTE lawsuits and now the level of hard hits
Speaker 2: to me are so few and far between, and even
Speaker 2: when they happen, it's more just because you have two
Speaker 2: athletes running at rapid speed and that play when yours
Speaker 2: was picked and that kid ran into him, like what
Speaker 2: was he supposed to do? Float away? And even on
Speaker 2: the Texas kid, the balls tipped like he's not trying
Speaker 2: to hurt him, he's just trying to tackle him. He's
Speaker 2: trying to make a play. You and I, I just
Speaker 2: think we need to get rid of that rule in general.
Speaker 2: I freaking hate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean you and I both believe it
Speaker 1: is targeting. We both hate the rule. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: called it, but I would never call it, And I
Speaker 1: hate the punitive nature. In the NFL. They experiment with
Speaker 1: calls in the preseason. They'll over be overly punitive on
Speaker 1: a call in the preseason and early September. Just have
Speaker 1: you ever noticed that in the NFL, if it's a
Speaker 1: certain call and they're they're creating it, they'll go really,
Speaker 1: they'll make a point, a point of emphasis in the
Speaker 1: preseason in early September, and then they'll scale back. In college.
Speaker 1: You know you don't before this year, you kick a
Speaker 1: great player out of a big game, you lose the game,
Speaker 1: you're done, you can't play for a Natty. So you
Speaker 1: and I both agree, is I thought it was targeting.
Speaker 2: Think of the standards too. You're holding nineteen and twenty
Speaker 2: year old guys too. It's like these guys, no one's
Speaker 2: trying to hurt anybody. In twenty twenty four, I believe
Speaker 2: that to my core, So I think we need to
Speaker 2: get rid of it personally, but I doubt that's gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: Two takeaways. First, Kenny Dillingham, who was an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: briefly at three schools, is a sensational coach. They had
Speaker 1: five hundred and ten yards, They had twenty eight to
Speaker 1: seventeen first down advantage, ninety seven to sixty play advantage,
Speaker 1: twenty eight to seventeen first down edge. And I don't
Speaker 1: believe they have a five star athlete one the level
Speaker 1: of coaching. And you know what I like, they don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, cam Scutibo is one Division one offer. Now
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up getting drafted. As you've talked about,
Speaker 1: this is the best running back draft in a long time. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I mean, good God, the Penn State has that Singleton kid.
Speaker 1: He didn't get talked about instead of Ashton Genty. If
Speaker 1: Singleton goes to the right team with a better offensive line,
Speaker 1: he could end up being the better running back in
Speaker 1: the NFL. So there's just running backs everywhere. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I like Sam Levitt a lot. He's a very young quarterback.
Speaker 1: He will be a pro six two and a half
Speaker 1: to ten dual threat mobile. You know. Again, you can
Speaker 1: see him and think, oh, that's what a pro is
Speaker 1: going to look like in two years. I think he's
Speaker 1: like twenty years old in two years, and so the
Speaker 1: quarterback's good. But to have that kind of dominance thirty
Speaker 1: seven to twenty two minute time of advantage when Texas
Speaker 1: has I bet you at least sixteen fourteen to sixteen
Speaker 1: five star guys and forty four star guys. To me,
Speaker 1: I thought if I was Sart coming out of that game,
Speaker 1: I'd be a little embarrassed. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: coaching mismatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought he even kind of mentioned that, like
Speaker 2: that was we got to play a lot better. He
Speaker 2: was in his postgame interview on the field, it looked
Speaker 2: like he was pretty show shocked. I mean, at one
Speaker 2: point in time it was fourth and thirteen. I mean
Speaker 2: it's basically fourth in Texas or the game's over and
Speaker 2: then they score that touchdown on the DP ball. Yeah, geez, Louise.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know one thing, you know, the Boise State team
Speaker 2: that we saw play Penn State is not as good
Speaker 2: as Chris Peterson's Boisese teams. They just have an all
Speaker 2: time great player. Yep. This ASU team. The more and
Speaker 2: more I watched them today reminded me a lot of
Speaker 2: those Chris Peterson teams because probably has more guys that
Speaker 2: you realize that it probably end up going like sixth,
Speaker 2: seventh round. And they just had a grittiness and a
Speaker 2: toughness to him. The quarterback was really fantastic. I mean
Speaker 2: he had to pull plays out of his you know what,
Speaker 2: just to give them an opportunity. Yeah, and that running back,
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, listen to hype on him. This
Speaker 2: kind of easy for everyone to latch onto this white
Speaker 2: guy running guys over. He might have had the flu
Speaker 2: or something today because he was clearly sucking some win
Speaker 2: and thrown up. He single handedly gives them an edge
Speaker 2: and obviously the double pass, but he was freaking fantastic
Speaker 2: and frank against those guys.
Speaker 1: Thirty you know, carries one hundred and forty three yards.
Speaker 1: I watched him and I thought I would He's the
Speaker 1: guy that played for Tampa years ago, the.
Speaker 2: Big stot Mike Alstott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he is a there's a Mike Allstock component.
Speaker 1: I think he's got a little better speed. Maybe he doesn't,
Speaker 1: but he's a kid. I think he's out of like
Speaker 1: Sacramento or something. He had like one, yeah, one scholarship offer.
Speaker 1: That is a pro. But I think Dillingham, you know,
Speaker 1: he grew up a chandler Arizona. He always wanted to
Speaker 1: be Arizona State's coach. This is his dream job. This
Speaker 1: is not a stepping stone, like, this is the job
Speaker 1: he always wanted. And it's cool because I think Arizona
Speaker 1: States always been one of those programs. We think it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sleeping giant, like why aren't
Speaker 1: they better? And I think they found they're Chris Peterson.
Speaker 1: I think they found a brilliant coach. But the Texas
Speaker 1: thing and I wrote this down and listen, Sark Saban
Speaker 1: loved him. Washington had a good ad that loved him.
Speaker 1: USC hired him. Texas is ad. Chris Decante is maybe
Speaker 1: the smartest ad in the country. Smart people higher sark okay,
Speaker 1: John like three schools with big football brands have hired him.
Speaker 1: NFL teams liked him, Saban loved him. We know he's
Speaker 1: a good coach, but one of the things, and we
Speaker 1: know he can plays. I mean they have. I thought
Speaker 1: today they had a couple of different crisis situations where
Speaker 1: they had good scheme plays. But I will say his
Speaker 1: teams feel loose. So it's easy from a couch from
Speaker 1: somebody to say he's overrated. But if Saban thinks you're
Speaker 1: a good coach, and he won. He won an Assistant
Speaker 1: of the Year in college under Saban, and he's had
Speaker 1: three different programs hire him, and again he may end
Speaker 1: up in the national you know, I mean this, this
Speaker 1: guy is in the right spot, right he's in the playoff.
Speaker 1: How do you define him? My knock on him is
Speaker 1: that his teams always look loose, like they're just not
Speaker 1: buttoned up, which is interesting because he coached under Saban,
Speaker 1: who's the opposite. That's my take, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what his comp is, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like too many times on the passing game, it's
Speaker 1: a jump ball, like he doesn't have defined reads. Too
Speaker 1: often it's just like, let's just get better players and
Speaker 1: throw a ball at the sideline. Is that yours are sark?
Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, I've been as critical and sark as
Speaker 2: anyone over the years. I've been an astronomical amount of
Speaker 2: money when my guy did bor played him last year
Speaker 2: and I thought that was it should have been easier.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to defend him here. I think you
Speaker 2: can look at yours box score. It doesn't look that bad.
Speaker 2: He's twenty to thirty three, twenty two. To me, he's
Speaker 2: a liability, and I just I mean it for the
Speaker 2: talent that they have, because the one knock you've had
Speaker 2: on sark, if you've just watched them coach over the
Speaker 2: year's like a kind of a soft operation, a little
Speaker 2: like Lincoln Riley, Well, he pivoted pretty well, use that
Speaker 2: check book. Their defense is not soft. I mean look today.
Speaker 2: I mean the way they got back into the game
Speaker 2: was a freak double pass where the guy's covered and
Speaker 2: he comes back. Scottaboo underthrows him. You know, I I
Speaker 2: the kicker missed a couple kicks. I mean it hadn't
Speaker 2: he been nails all season long? Yeah, so it's a
Speaker 2: little freakish the way they came back. I mean that
Speaker 2: game was one for the ages with the stuff. I
Speaker 2: think you look at quinn Ewers, who again, if you
Speaker 2: just look at the box score, doesn't look that terrible.
Speaker 2: This a national championship roster without a National championship quarterback.
Speaker 2: I actually think Sark has grown a lot. I think
Speaker 2: he tries to call plays around this player. Sometimes. I
Speaker 2: think he gets into situations where he doesn't trust him.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing with Dilley Ham Like they
Speaker 2: have full trust in that court doesn't have a choice,
Speaker 2: you know. I think sometimes you just like, hey, we
Speaker 2: could just run some bubble screens. Our athletes are better
Speaker 2: than your athletes, right and sometimes for whatever reason, how
Speaker 2: this team fifty three yards rushing fifty three yards rushing
Speaker 2: as ansu like you would think with the amount of
Speaker 2: talent they have on their offensive line and the talent
Speaker 2: they have it running back. If you would have said
Speaker 2: what do they rush for coming into this ASU game,
Speaker 2: I would have said easily one hundred and forty yards
Speaker 2: and they just had it wasn't working. They just abandoned
Speaker 2: it and Asu selling out, like make Quinn, you weers
Speaker 2: beat us, which ironically kind of did in the overtime
Speaker 2: because you didn't cover anyone in the end zone. But
Speaker 2: for most part, the reason they got back into it
Speaker 2: the interception. How many times this year have Texas been
Speaker 2: in a position where they can really put the nail
Speaker 2: on the coffin and Quinn you were, turns the ball over,
Speaker 2: or they're down in a game against George they're coming
Speaker 2: back and he turns the ball over. There is just
Speaker 2: an element of I mean, if he was an NFL player,
Speaker 2: he would be highly highly criticized, and I would imagine
Speaker 2: the Texas reddit community, in the football community. He's a
Speaker 2: pretty polarizing guy, and everyone's like, we're going to arch
Speaker 2: banding next year. Know if fans or budts about it.
Speaker 2: If I was a Texas fan, I'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: why is he just playing right now? Because if he's
Speaker 2: as good as everyone says he's going to be and
Speaker 2: he's a manning, I mean, who the only team that
Speaker 2: I've seen that could even remotely play with us would
Speaker 2: be Ohio State. We can't beat Ohio State with this player.
Speaker 2: That's what I would be thinking. And there's a loyalty
Speaker 2: and listen, I think this is where coaches sometimes are
Speaker 2: different than personnel people, definitely different fans. They're very loyal
Speaker 2: to a guy. Clearly, him and Quinn have a long
Speaker 2: standing relationship. Now he's roaded with them this long. They've
Speaker 2: had a lot of success. Right last year they were
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. This year they're now in the Final four.
Speaker 2: But man, I think you have this great I mean,
Speaker 2: they're defense. How many of those guys look like NFL
Speaker 2: players and they have freshmen that look like they're gonna
Speaker 2: be top ten picks. And what are they going to
Speaker 2: be against Ohio State? Would you guess a six point underdog?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I would. That's a that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I I would take Ohio State minus six. To me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take Texas until we got into like seven
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, you know, it's just funny.
Speaker 2: These thought it was offenses. Texas offense has been their problem.
Speaker 2: Their defense for the most part this year has been fantastic.
Speaker 2: And to me, it's not sark. It's the quarterback. Because
Speaker 2: the quarterback is just not that good relative to what
Speaker 2: they their standard and the way they're playing. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they had some of these quarterbacks that we've seen
Speaker 2: in college football over the years, the guys Bama has had,
Speaker 2: the Joe Burrows, the Trevor Lawrence's, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: this we'd be looking at Texas, Ohio State like equals.
Speaker 2: But when you have a quarterback who's just not I
Speaker 2: mean that picky through was just terrible. And even who's
Speaker 2: Jesse Palmer's, like, you can't put that much air under
Speaker 2: the ball. And ASU's DB's are not. You know, Deon
Speaker 2: Sanders ned Reid back there, you just make he does
Speaker 2: it all the time. His interceptions are really really bad. Guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Penn State thirty one, Boise State fourteen. Boise State,
Speaker 1: for the record, had the ball in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I counted four times, it could have been five, and
Speaker 1: didn't get any points. So Penn State gave them multiple
Speaker 1: opportunities to make that game much closer. Boise State had
Speaker 1: a touchdown that was called back because of a holding penalty,
Speaker 1: so it was thirty one to fourteen, but it was
Speaker 1: it didn't look like a blowout. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: multiple opportunities for Boys game. It was a good game,
Speaker 1: so it's really interesting. So first of all, Carter is
Speaker 1: a top five player. He got banged up. Great player
Speaker 1: Nick Singleton, who was like a Gatorade player the year
Speaker 1: in high school. He's going to be a stud Pro
Speaker 1: running back Drew Aller is fascinating, big guy, big arm.
Speaker 1: There are stories out there that NFL scouts think he
Speaker 1: may still go pro, and many say he would go
Speaker 1: number one simply on arm, strength and size. Can I
Speaker 1: look at Penn State and I have great respect for
Speaker 1: the program, but they remind me a little bit of
Speaker 1: a poor man's Ohio State. They're just never quite they
Speaker 1: don't have quite as many NFL guys, They're just not
Speaker 1: quite as good. People criticize James Franklin, but the guy
Speaker 1: wonted Vandy, so he's fine. He's a great recruiter. Can
Speaker 1: Penn State win the Natty?
Speaker 2: I think they need Carter to be healthy because early
Speaker 2: in that game he had won pass rusher like Holy
Speaker 2: that looks like Micah Parsons in number eleven. And then
Speaker 2: when you go with the other guys, I told you
Speaker 2: I think last week, I think they could win the
Speaker 2: whole thing. But he's I mean, you lose a top
Speaker 2: five player, I don't care how good your recruiting is.
Speaker 2: It's pretty damn good. That'd be a big blow. But
Speaker 2: how good does Warren look? The running backs look fantastic,
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks playing great? Is to you just trust James Franklin.
Speaker 2: I think the one thing we saw with ASU and
Speaker 2: Boise there's a gritty dis in, a toughness that just
Speaker 2: even Ohio State. Ohio State's showing it now, but they
Speaker 2: go for a long period of time without it because
Speaker 2: they don't need it. Yeah, Boise State for twenty five
Speaker 2: years is built on that, and I think Kenny Dillinghan
Speaker 2: has brought that to Arizona State, and that's why they
Speaker 2: can go toe to toe with a team where they
Speaker 2: don't have one guy that would start for the other team.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's truly if you remove Genty, which
Speaker 2: I mean gent would technically start for Penn State, but
Speaker 2: they would rotate the other guys in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Singleton. Singleton's a great running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually learn more about Genty in that
Speaker 2: game than I do with some of his two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty yard games against New Mexico. Running over Penn State.
Speaker 2: It was an impressive, just gritty effort by the guy.
Speaker 2: Running for every yard was contested, running his ass off.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a big time player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he doesn't fumble, but he did twice in this game,
Speaker 1: and that was frea gi Yeah, he only averaged three
Speaker 1: and a half yards of carry. I think part of
Speaker 1: Gent's strength. I mean I don't put him in the
Speaker 1: class of Zeke or Saquon, Adrian Peterson or McCaffrey. Is
Speaker 1: an NFL first d on running back. I don't he'll
Speaker 1: go first round because it's a weak draft.
Speaker 2: But he's five eight. I mean that's kind of a
Speaker 2: it's not ideal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think his strength is that he is so
Speaker 1: small and so powerful. He is hard, you know, like
Speaker 1: we're running backs. You don't want a six to two
Speaker 1: running back. I think he's hard. To get that pad
Speaker 1: level low enough to get him a shot, and so
Speaker 1: what you end up doing when you tackle him, it's
Speaker 1: almost always arm tackles because he's five to eight, so
Speaker 1: when he lowers, so when he runs and lowers his head,
Speaker 1: it's like tackling a five to five and a half guy.
Speaker 1: He always has the center of gravity and he always
Speaker 1: has sort of leverage on you hips down and so
Speaker 1: it's like Penn State guys held him to three and
Speaker 1: a half yards to carry, but he broke so many
Speaker 1: arm tackles and I so it's like I look at
Speaker 1: him as a first round running back in a week draft.
Speaker 1: I don't look at him as an NFL superstar. I
Speaker 1: don't think he has the juice of Saquon I don't
Speaker 1: think he has the strength or speed of Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's his talent that is McCaffrey, who's
Speaker 1: also small. I think part of the package with him
Speaker 1: is you just can't get under him and his size
Speaker 1: is and I think in the NFL he'll have success,
Speaker 1: but I don't know as I watch him. My take
Speaker 1: is he'll need the right fit in the NFL to
Speaker 1: be a star. But he is a starter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, to me, he's gonna get drafted really high.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be a good player in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I would struggle, you know, let's say somewhere between fifteen
Speaker 2: and twenty five. I think a lot of people think
Speaker 2: that's the range he's gonna get picked. Well, if I'm
Speaker 2: drafting twentieth, and then my next pick is fiftieth. Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't I If I could take a corner or no
Speaker 2: offensive lineman at twentieth, I can get one of these
Speaker 2: other good running backs at fiftieth. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: supply demand. It's always why a lot of people why
Speaker 2: did Jim Harbaugh take the tackle at five and then
Speaker 2: take lad McConkey in the second round. Because there's a
Speaker 2: ton of wide receivers in every draft, So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get a guy that starts in the second round. We
Speaker 2: see it every year with wide receivers. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: would you take a wide receiver in the top ten? Well,
Speaker 2: if I'm drafting after you, I hope you do, so
Speaker 2: I can take another position. I can take a wide
Speaker 2: receiver later. So I mean every game I watch Henderson
Speaker 2: for Ohio State, he's an NFL player. All these teams
Speaker 2: have NFL players and running back. So why would I
Speaker 2: take a running back in the first round? If I
Speaker 2: think I get ninety five percent or ninety percent of
Speaker 2: that guy? Maybe in a third round. Yeah, if I
Speaker 2: get Skataboo, Skataboo's gonna run like a four to seven
Speaker 2: to five. What if I can get the guy in
Speaker 2: the third run. You don't think Jim Harbaugh's gonna like skataboo.
Speaker 2: Does that guy have charger written all over?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean it's I think I told you
Speaker 1: this recently. Wood he marks for USC is their best
Speaker 1: back since Reggie Bush. He maybe a fifth round back.
Speaker 1: Now maybe Gent's better than him, He's not that much
Speaker 1: better than him. Like it is a loaded I mean this.
Speaker 1: This Singleton kid at Penn State was the National Gatorade
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, was the Big Ten Freshman of
Speaker 1: the year. He Singleton is again. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know as measurables, but he's like six feet two twenty seven.
Speaker 2: It looks small to me with a burst.
Speaker 1: It's like if anybody dropped in the first round. I
Speaker 1: could see Gent dropping. Not because he's not good, but
Speaker 1: because of the depth of the position.
Speaker 2: You know. The one thing, Yeah, I'm with you. I
Speaker 2: just think it's if he measures in at five eight.
Speaker 2: You know, remember Darren Sproles, who was as dominant of
Speaker 2: a college player in the last twenty five years as
Speaker 2: there was now. Times have changed a lot with size,
Speaker 2: but he was the same thing five to seven, five eight.
Speaker 2: He went in the fourth round. Now that modern day
Speaker 2: player would go much higher. It is difficult to pull
Speaker 2: the trigger on a guy in the teams or the
Speaker 2: low twenties that is five to eight, no matter how
Speaker 2: dominant he is, you know, and again, I think the
Speaker 2: teams are gonna hesitate. They're gonna really like that. I
Speaker 2: haven't texted a scout that doesn't love the player. But
Speaker 2: that hight thing is just something with gms and coaches.
Speaker 2: That is just That's where Drew Aller right now today.
Speaker 2: You know, I know Drew Aller is committed to go
Speaker 2: back to school, right, which is worth millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I would say a month ago he was
Speaker 2: not viewed as a lock first round pick. I don't
Speaker 2: see how he would not go in the first round today.
Speaker 2: I don't know what pick he would be a first rounder, right,
Speaker 2: no question, no question. So now we start going, well,
Speaker 2: we know quarterback inflation, they go higher. People are gonna
Speaker 2: nitpick these other two quarterbacks. I mean, he's bigger, he's stronger,
Speaker 2: and now he's playing really well under the brightest lights.
Speaker 2: He wins another game. He's playing with all these other guys,
Speaker 2: Abduell Carter. If he's healthy, he's going in the top
Speaker 2: five or six picks. How much has Warren helped his
Speaker 2: draft stock the second half of this year. I mean,
Speaker 2: that guy's gonna be it's not a great draft. You're
Speaker 2: telling me he can't go in the top ten or
Speaker 2: twelve pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you count Aler, Singleton, Carter, and Warren,
Speaker 1: those are four star players. So the idea, can they
Speaker 1: win a national championship? I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: they're a little bit of a poor man's Ohio State.
Speaker 1: But again, I mean, how many games in a row
Speaker 1: can Ohio State play perfect football? There is something to
Speaker 1: be said. I mean, Ohio State now looks like the
Speaker 1: world's best team. It is hard play at this level
Speaker 1: for that long. I want to do three NFL topics.
Speaker 1: Number one, Saquon Barkley. They're not going to play him
Speaker 1: in the final game. So I've said this before, John,
Speaker 1: I'm not an awards guy. I just don't care. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just do not care. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls and All Pros Tom Brady had. I know
Speaker 1: his Super Bowls, So I don't care. I don't think
Speaker 1: most athletes care. If my athletes care too much about
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls unless they have bonuses I'm worried about him.
Speaker 1: I would not play Saquon. I didn't like them feeding
Speaker 1: him the ball thirty one times. The only position left
Speaker 1: in football, college or pro that you can hit anybody, anywhere,
Speaker 1: anytime is a running back coming through the line. If
Speaker 1: you hit and nobody's gonna throw a targeting foul. If
Speaker 1: a running back squeezes through and you go helmet to
Speaker 1: helmet from the side. So to me, it's the last
Speaker 1: position in football that's a little bit of a piniata,
Speaker 1: and you have to consider that when they play. I
Speaker 1: remember years ago Leonard Fournett and McCaffrey bowed out of
Speaker 1: bowl games, and I said, quarterback bothered me, star receiver.
Speaker 1: I'd wonder if he's soft running back in the Liberty.
Speaker 2: Bowl bow out.
Speaker 1: I got your back, So I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: at all with Saquon and the Eagles decision.
Speaker 2: To you, no, Well, if I'm the Eagles, my quarterback's
Speaker 2: already got concussion, and you know, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it's he's officially cleared a week and a half out.
Speaker 2: The two guys that I can't afford to get injured
Speaker 2: are my left tackle and my right tackle. Lane Johnson
Speaker 2: surely is not going to play in this game. And
Speaker 2: the left tackle, the Australian guy, my Lota, I doubt
Speaker 2: he's gonna play either. So right off the bat, my
Speaker 2: star quarterback and the running element with him and Saquan
Speaker 2: is a huge, you know, addition to our success, and
Speaker 2: my two star offensive linemen are out and I'm going
Speaker 2: to play my running back in week in a game
Speaker 2: that up until how long have we been playing? This
Speaker 2: last game for an extra three years, didn't even exist.
Speaker 2: So we already won. We stole them from the Giants
Speaker 2: for not much money, and no one will ever forget
Speaker 2: when we probably got everyone and the Giants fired and
Speaker 2: he ran for two thousand yards. You know, football is
Speaker 2: not really a record sport. What's the most record for yards?
Speaker 2: No one could tell me the exact yards. No one cares.
Speaker 2: But if you run for two thousand yards like that's
Speaker 2: a historic moment. They already got the record, even if
Speaker 2: it doesn't actually count. It happened stolen from the Giants,
Speaker 2: He ran from two It was one of the great
Speaker 2: wins of all time. Howie the Eagles Sirianni Saquon, this
Speaker 2: was a home run. Can you imagine if you were
Speaker 2: going for this record, which is not apples to apples
Speaker 2: because they did not play the same amount of games,
Speaker 2: we can argue should we care not? It is kind
Speaker 2: of a big deal. If you didn't. It was a
Speaker 2: gent Barry Sanders thing. It was like, well, he played
Speaker 2: way more games than Barry Sanders. But if Saquon Barkley
Speaker 2: broke his ankle in a game, that literally means nothing.
Speaker 2: Even if other guys were pulled can how would the
Speaker 2: only thing that matters, The only thing that mattered from
Speaker 2: the start of the season for the Eagles was January.
Speaker 2: We all knew that they were going to get there,
Speaker 2: and then it actually they got way hotter than we thought,
Speaker 2: and it's like, God, they're incredible. But if he got
Speaker 2: injured in this moment, or let's say Lane Johnson got
Speaker 2: injured in the game trying to get him the record is,
Speaker 2: there's too much on the line. This team has been
Speaker 2: building this thing for three or four years to get
Speaker 2: this good that they won Colin like they the Giants lost.
Speaker 2: They won.
Speaker 1: Baseball is the record sport. Basketball is the aesthetic sport.
Speaker 1: There's a beauty in an art to it. Football is
Speaker 1: about winning, always has been always will be. It's about
Speaker 1: winning and you protect your best players as they keep
Speaker 1: lengthening the season. Now they're seventeen games within two years.
Speaker 1: My guess is, we have eighteen games. The one position
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and protect and you know, is
Speaker 1: running back. And it's interesting. A couple of years ago
Speaker 1: people were saying running backs have no future. You know,
Speaker 1: the winner in an eighteen game schedule, dual John is
Speaker 1: running backs. I think every team will carry another running back.
Speaker 1: You won't carry another you won't carry another Mike linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think every team now will say probably need another
Speaker 1: running back on the roster, and I do think with
Speaker 1: eighteen games, roster expansion will happen. And I'm gonna want
Speaker 1: an extra I mean, let's be honest, I'm gonna want
Speaker 1: an extra running back, probably an extra offensive lineman, and
Speaker 1: maybe an extra linebacker because of the hits they you know,
Speaker 1: they incur. But running backs are doing quite fine. The
Speaker 1: league is obviously pivoted to more of a running league
Speaker 1: with many of the best teams, so I know everybody
Speaker 1: was freaking out about that, But running backs are back.
Speaker 2: Did you see a story floating around there on the internet.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much validity there is to this,
Speaker 2: But I know, listen, it's it's pro sports. A lot
Speaker 2: of money in the line that's heard. Crazier is that
Speaker 2: the Jets would entertain going all in and making Howie
Speaker 2: Roseman basically the Tzar of football. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is even possible, offering him equity and obviously
Speaker 2: making him paid, because even if gms make a lot,
Speaker 2: they make six seven million dollars. Well, we have some
Speaker 2: of these coaches make a double triple that. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know so and how he's got a lot of juice.
Speaker 2: But listen, you pay me twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: You know, gms don't usually get leverage like coaches that
Speaker 2: often to really put the hammer down and get paid.
Speaker 2: So listen, this could be a little bit of a
Speaker 2: leverage play by Howie who's you know him? And tann
Speaker 2: Obomber closer. Just if I was the Jets, I'd take
Speaker 2: a hail Mary on a guy like Howie to you know,
Speaker 2: he's from Brooklyn, that's where he grew up. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if you're Woody Johnson that you could do
Speaker 2: way worse than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I over the course of my life.
Speaker 1: I'm sixty years old now. Over the course of my life,
Speaker 1: one thing has been universally true. There's very little great,
Speaker 1: and when you get great, you never let it go.
Speaker 1: You build around great. And Howie Roseman feels like he's
Speaker 1: in a class by himself, and that includes other gms.
Speaker 1: I like he's the most aggressively at his job, for sure,
Speaker 1: he's and I just think there aren't many people like that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, great endures, great separates, and I
Speaker 1: don't care if it's if you're you know, a firm
Speaker 1: in New York on Wall Street, if you have a
Speaker 1: great stockbroker, you can get me three good ones. They
Speaker 1: don't equal one great one. So to me, Howie Roseman,
Speaker 1: if he broke the bank, would deserve it. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: go two more topics. Brock Pretty. So you're obviously an
Speaker 1: NFL scout, and whenever you know, I tend to let
Speaker 1: you lead on that stuff because it's what you do
Speaker 1: and know much more about it. I've never been a
Speaker 1: huge Pretty fan. I have kind of a base belief
Speaker 1: that if the great quarterbacks are not if quarterbacks Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow's great battle line, shitty defense coach can't figure the
Speaker 1: clock out. He wins, and he produces. You're not always
Speaker 1: going to win if you don't have good people around you,
Speaker 1: but you'll be wildly productive. Burrow's a great example of that.
Speaker 1: Even Herbert finally has a good coach, but he was
Speaker 1: breaking rookie records as a rookie with a bad coach
Speaker 1: in the thirty second ranked offensive line. Purty to me,
Speaker 1: has always been an if quarterback, if the protection's good,
Speaker 1: if he's got a lead, he's now. I think we
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge he is not a good fourth quarter quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's not a good quarterback trailing now. That's not six
Speaker 1: games or eight. It's a pretty big sample now. And
Speaker 1: I do think the separator in this league beyond some
Speaker 1: traits size movement, hand size, arm, but beyond some of
Speaker 1: that is how do you play from behind? Some guys
Speaker 1: have hit, some don't. I could not pay pretty early.
Speaker 1: I could not pay him a number at five. But
Speaker 1: he's going to have leverage because Trey Lance didn't work.
Speaker 1: If the Vikings franchise, darnold, what do you do Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers Kirk Cousins as somebody who has done this for
Speaker 1: a living, as somebody who was a fan of Purty
Speaker 1: and has peeled back a little bit. If you ran
Speaker 1: the Niners, what you do do you draft Riley Leonard
Speaker 1: in the third round and just I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, I just played out another year, And
Speaker 2: I think as concerning as the two interceptions were, and
Speaker 2: they were bad interceptions in a game that an interception
Speaker 2: lost the game, one interception was gonna lose the game.
Speaker 2: Jared Goff couldn't afford to do it, Perty couldn't afford
Speaker 2: to do it, and he threw too And even Kyle
Speaker 2: admitted after the game we lost the game with the
Speaker 2: two turnovers. That was the type game we were in.
Speaker 2: His elbow nerve issue, Like, I don't think that he
Speaker 2: has a nerve issue with his hand, just randomly with
Speaker 2: the UCL thing a couple of years ago. Now luckily
Speaker 2: he didn't tear his UCL, but he's already had Tommy
Speaker 2: John and then he has I would say a relatively
Speaker 2: I don't want to say innocuous, might be a little light,
Speaker 2: but he was not throttled. They kind of he tackled
Speaker 2: him as he was rolling. It wasn't just he didn't
Speaker 2: just get molly wop sitting there in the pocket and
Speaker 2: he couldn't grip it, and he said his arm was
Speaker 2: on fire. Right, So you're telling me your arm's on fire,
Speaker 2: you can't grip it when you've already had an elbow issue.
Speaker 2: That would gravely concerned me, Collin. So the play had
Speaker 2: already really disturbed me. The second half performance this year
Speaker 2: had not been good, specifically these last three games. They
Speaker 2: were six and seven. In that Rams game, they win it. Boom,
Speaker 2: they're playing Miami, they're playing this game, they have a
Speaker 2: chance to make the playoffs. And he throws five interceptions
Speaker 2: or four interceptions, two picks that lose the Miami game
Speaker 2: and the Rams game, and then the two interceptions in
Speaker 2: this last game. So the game's kind of unraveled on
Speaker 2: his watch. The other thing is over the middle of
Speaker 2: the field sometimes when the pockets a little muddied, I
Speaker 2: don't think he can see that well. And sometimes I
Speaker 2: think balls balloon on him and he gets lucky. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Kittle's tall and can make some miraculous catches, but some
Speaker 2: of his picks happen when Deebo, little shorter guy not
Speaker 2: able to you know, overcorrect in the air and balls
Speaker 2: fly and his picks feel like he did throw the
Speaker 2: one to Juwan out outside a lot of them in
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. It goes back to last year,
Speaker 2: and I do think that's an eye issue. Can't see.
Speaker 2: If you can't see, you let it go and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, But he doesn't know that. When there are
Speaker 2: guys in front of him in this notion, everyone's like, well,
Speaker 2: he's having a great game. Well the ram or excuse me,
Speaker 2: the Lions defense was a practice squad unit beside two
Speaker 2: or three players, that's right, and he was a viscerating him,
Speaker 2: which is he's a good player, I hope, so everyone's
Speaker 2: been a viscerating them. But then the picks happened in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. It's like that can't that just can't.
Speaker 2: I've told you before, he's got to hang his hat
Speaker 2: on decision making because the skill set is not going
Speaker 2: to be outrageously special.
Speaker 1: Here, I'm gonna throw this at you. And this is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite topics in all sports is cultural changes.
Speaker 1: So you and I both admit that guys like Drew
Speaker 1: Bledsoe or a more recent advanced example of Carson Palmer,
Speaker 1: they didn't have seven on seven camps. They didn't have
Speaker 1: ten thousand throws by the time they were twelve years old.
Speaker 1: These kids are better now and faster at quarterback. Is
Speaker 1: there's a cultural shift happening with quarterbacks. If you go
Speaker 1: back to the twenty eighteen draft class, now that's the
Speaker 1: one I think with Darnold, Baker, Lamar, Josh, Josh, Okay
Speaker 1: So and Rool four guys who are STAPs so. And
Speaker 1: that's not the only draft class that that's happened in.
Speaker 1: We also had the Herbert Tua Burrow draft class. I
Speaker 1: think Jalen Hurts was second round in that draft class,
Speaker 1: and may be wrong, but I think he was. We
Speaker 1: now have you and I growing up. They always talked
Speaker 1: about that one great draft class, Oh Marino in lway
Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen, now we have multiple quarterback draft classes.
Speaker 1: We're four guys hit four okay, like it's now a
Speaker 1: regular occurrence. This is a week draft class. Last year's
Speaker 1: we may have the best draft class ever last year.
Speaker 1: Jaden's unbelievable, Bonix is good, Pennix looks good in brief duty,
Speaker 1: Caleb's a sensational talent, Drake may will be good when
Speaker 1: he gets players, and JJ McCarthy look unbelievable. In the preseason,
Speaker 1: we may have a five for five. So you go
Speaker 1: back to the Donald Baker, Lamar Josh class, you go
Speaker 1: to the Herbert Tua Jalen Hurtsborough class. You go to
Speaker 1: this last class. This is a week class. But now
Speaker 1: we have three draft classes. You get four high end
Speaker 1: starters or more. And my take is next year, if
Speaker 1: you really do your homework, I think Riley Leonard is
Speaker 1: going to be the late mid round guy that pops
Speaker 1: this year. Maybe I'm wrong, but somebody I think will
Speaker 1: pop third fourth round. I think it's Notre Dame's quarterback.
Speaker 1: Next year is supposed to be a much better quarterback,
Speaker 1: especially if Drew Aller comes out next year. Is what
Speaker 1: about this? You just roll the dice and say, we're
Speaker 1: not signing Donald do a huge deal, Aaron doesn't interest us,
Speaker 1: Cousins isn't playing well, we're not signing Perny, and you
Speaker 1: just roll the dice and say we're gonna have We
Speaker 1: think it's going to be another four quarterback draft class.
Speaker 1: I know that you don't like to do that, but Pep,
Speaker 1: you know as scouts you're two years ahead of where
Speaker 1: I'm at. I think culturally We're just getting these four
Speaker 1: quarterback classes on a regular basis, why not roll the dice?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean my thing specifically with Perty is the
Speaker 2: NFL I grew up on. It was like, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: not paying you right now, play it out, and that
Speaker 2: kind of has dropped by the wayside of these last
Speaker 2: four or five years. The teams kind of get pushed
Speaker 2: around by the agents. Why why can't you go, we
Speaker 2: got one more year of a contract. We're gonna play
Speaker 2: it out. You're making millions off the field. You benefit
Speaker 2: from being the starting quarterback of the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: if you're a great player and you're a fifty million
Speaker 2: dollar player. I just thowt their schedule came out there
Speaker 2: playing a last play schedule that forty nine ers should dominate.
Speaker 2: The other thing was what make Kyle shan Hansel special
Speaker 2: One with Jimmy Garoppolo, one with Brock Perty. Should he
Speaker 2: be able to find some other guy to win with? Right?
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, if you're not gonna get a
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, you should just be able
Speaker 2: to with any kind of quarterback and a pretty decent clip.
Speaker 2: Your team's pretty good. So I'm with you, I would
Speaker 2: personally just roll it out another year. But it feels
Speaker 2: like these teams. When you talk to some of these
Speaker 2: contract negotiators now, they say it has turned into a
Speaker 2: little bit more, you know, the players, because the money's
Speaker 2: so big now that they're so hesitant to like, fuck you,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna show up, which we've always seen some holdouts.
Speaker 2: They are a lot more prevalent now because even a
Speaker 2: random player is getting sixty seventy million dollars guaranteed. And
Speaker 2: you know, these quarterbacks that minimum are getting one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars guaranteed. But I would play hardball,
Speaker 2: especially if he's injured. It's the conversation's made already. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't sign an injured player, or there's question marks
Speaker 2: about the injury. So I've said forever the forty nine ers,
Speaker 2: I have a hard bargain. I'd be stunned if this
Speaker 2: thing is easy. And I think everything's on the table
Speaker 2: right now. I think, Kyle, you know, I think they
Speaker 2: were so desperate for the Trey Lance thing and it
Speaker 2: blew up in their face, and I think that's kind
Speaker 2: of a one off. That twenty twenty draft with COVID.
Speaker 2: That's we're not gonna see anything like that again. And
Speaker 2: I think he feels comfortable with this. But I think
Speaker 2: he's not an idiot like he kind of You saw
Speaker 2: his face when perty through one of those picks and
Speaker 2: he puts the thing over because he know Monday night football.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to go viral of him just going nuts.
Speaker 2: Who knows what he was saying, but he did that
Speaker 2: specifically to cover his mouth because he was like, we can't,
Speaker 2: how can you throw that ball? He was hanging his
Speaker 2: hat on it up here like he was gonna be
Speaker 2: like a Drew Brees with a little more mobility Drew Brees.
Speaker 2: This separating factor was decision making right. Some of these
Speaker 2: other guys can get away with some dumb throws because
Speaker 2: they also make ten incredible throws. Purty has to not
Speaker 2: turn the ball over and four turnovers in the last
Speaker 2: three games with their season on the line. In winnable games,
Speaker 2: it'd be one thing if you're down twenty or up
Speaker 2: twenty like these are Ty game, you're playing the best
Speaker 2: and the one thing I do respect and why I
Speaker 2: think the NFL is just crushing Lions had nothing to
Speaker 2: play for, whether they lost that game. Minnesota game meant
Speaker 2: the same thing. The forty nine Ers are dead and
Speaker 2: going season's over, and you had all these star players
Speaker 2: playing that game like it's means everything to them, and
Speaker 2: it was just like, I just I just enjoy the
Speaker 2: level of spirit and energy that the star players in
Speaker 2: this league give us on a weekly basis. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Lions have one of the biggest games in the
Speaker 2: franchise's history coming up in six games, they have to
Speaker 2: fly five hours home in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: They're at a huge disadvantage, and they're guys laid it
Speaker 2: on the line like that was a playoff game. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's if anyone wonders why the NFL is king you
Speaker 2: turn on Monday night football, everyone knows game means nothing,
Speaker 2: definitely for the forty nine ers, and it's just like
Speaker 2: these team teams are throwing the kitchen stick at each other.
Speaker 1: Finally, Chris Ballard probably in some trouble as the GM
Speaker 1: of the Colts. So you know, it's interesting because I
Speaker 1: think think he hired the right coach in Shane Steikin.
Speaker 1: I don't think they had a choice on quarterback. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: when Jim Ersay impulsively told them to get rid of
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz after he had twenty seven touchdowns and seven picks,
Speaker 1: because he had a bad game against the Jags down
Speaker 1: in Florida, which the Colts have played poorly there for years.
Speaker 1: It put Chris Ballard in the entire organization behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball. I think the Cultu are one of those
Speaker 1: teams that we think are well run because Ballard does
Speaker 1: a really good job, but they're not because basically Ersay
Speaker 1: is one of the more impulsive owners. He's likable, but
Speaker 1: his personal life is well documented, and when I look
Speaker 1: at that franchise, I think that Carson Wentz they had
Speaker 1: to go in and get Philip Rivers, and they've been
Speaker 1: basically bailing water. They've had the worst quarterback Luck Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck retires right before a season.
Speaker 2: You're ft.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, owner tells you get rid of them. But
Speaker 1: he's a big, strong, mobile guy who had a good season.
Speaker 1: Get rid of him. Philip Rivers was the least athletic
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league, but again they won with him
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson. He was available. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: give away the farm for a quarterback. We had questions
Speaker 1: coming in and he can't complete a high enough level
Speaker 1: of passes. And it's one thing to be talented and
Speaker 1: get off to a slow star. Caleb Williams, we know
Speaker 1: he's talented. We know he struggled Anthony Richardson. He was
Speaker 1: a total question mark, not a great college quarterback, and
Speaker 1: now he's struggling here. I think you have to cut
Speaker 1: ties with him. I don't think it's a Chris Ballard issue.
Speaker 1: I think if this team had c. J. Stroud, even
Speaker 1: it made the eighth best quarterback in the league. I
Speaker 1: think they're a playoff team, but I think it wears
Speaker 1: on a team when you have to constantly overcome a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I think in that Giants game, you saw you
Speaker 1: constantly literally as a coaching staff. I mean you talked
Speaker 1: about this with Sark and quinn Ewers. I watched the
Speaker 1: Colts and they coach around and Tony Richardson, and I
Speaker 1: think that when you do that, you can win games,
Speaker 1: but you will eventually have stinkers. You're just constantly coaching
Speaker 1: around the most important position. I have a relationship with Bounder.
Speaker 1: I like him, I like the roster. Do you think
Speaker 1: he survives.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think everything's on the table after this
Speaker 2: week when McAfee puts out the tweet and then their
Speaker 2: coach admits to yeah, guys are showing up late. But hey,
Speaker 2: guys show up late, It's like, no, they actually don't.
Speaker 2: You think guys are showing up late Andy Reid's meetings
Speaker 2: or Kyle Shanahan or Sean mcvay's meetings, And if they do,
Speaker 2: there aren't heavy repercussions. So they clearly have kind of
Speaker 2: a loosey goosey ship. And to me less that's on
Speaker 2: the coach, Yeah, when it comes to meetings and stuff,
Speaker 2: And you just wonder this transition from being a coordinator,
Speaker 2: which he was a hot shot coordinator and being the
Speaker 2: lead guy. Everything's on the table when the quarterback taps
Speaker 2: out of the game and that becomes the biggest controversy
Speaker 2: in the NFL. You have to answer for that three
Speaker 2: times a week instead of the coordinator just once, Like,
Speaker 2: that's your problem. How do you handle it? Do you
Speaker 2: bench them? Your decision when a guy gets in trouble,
Speaker 2: when a guy says something stupid on a podcast, it's
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. And I do
Speaker 2: just wonder if Shane stiche's a little bit over his
Speaker 2: head as a head coach because when a story comes
Speaker 2: out that he had that, hey, you guys are showing
Speaker 2: up late, You're like, you better shoot that down. And
Speaker 2: then we've had guys show up late. But hey, people
Speaker 2: show up late all over the place. No, I don't
Speaker 2: think so like, because I think that snowballs into other things.
Speaker 2: Then are you not practicing well or guys screwing around?
Speaker 2: And I think this all gets back to the Anthony
Speaker 2: Richardson tap out thing. People questioning like he gets injured
Speaker 2: a lot, but are they serious injuries? There's all and
Speaker 2: no one really knows what's going on, and they feel
Speaker 2: like they've taken on back to what you say, Jim
Speaker 2: Orsay's personality well, unreliable and who knows what the hell's
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Listen, everybody loves Norv Turner. Jimmy Johnson swears by him,
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman swears by him. Could never do it as
Speaker 1: a head coach, and he was a brilliant, brilliant coordinator.
Speaker 1: There are guys, you know, you see it in politics.
Speaker 1: Some guys are vice presidents, some guys are presidents. You
Speaker 1: see it all the time. You guy will be a
Speaker 1: great sales manager at a company, but you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to run in the company. You know, he's a little loose,
Speaker 1: a little late night, but he's a great sales guy.
Speaker 1: And it's quite possible that Shane Steichen is one of
Speaker 1: these sort of modern coaches that is softer on players.
Speaker 1: He's pro players. I mean, Brandon Staley was a very
Speaker 1: good defensive coordinator. I mean he the Rams defense was excellent.
Speaker 1: He was a disaster, and it just got worse and
Speaker 1: worse and worse, and the details and it got looser
Speaker 1: and looser. And I think, you know, it's quite possible
Speaker 1: that Stichen, Like I've said this about Ben Johnson, I
Speaker 1: think Ben Johnson is a great coordinator. Now it is
Speaker 1: easier when you have like eight Pro Bowl players on
Speaker 1: your offense. And I don't when I see him talk
Speaker 1: and when I listen to him, I don't see I've
Speaker 1: said this about Mike McDaniel, I don't see a culture
Speaker 1: changer and a leader of men. What I see as
Speaker 1: a really smart guy. And by the way, Mike McDaniels
Speaker 1: is a very modern, progressive pro player coach. What's our
Speaker 1: knock on Miami they're soft. Shane Steichen, modern progressive guy.
Speaker 1: What's our knock on him? Pro player? He's soft. So
Speaker 1: I think that there is this hard ass component to
Speaker 1: football coaches, this Harbaugh Vrabel, this sort of intense Tomlin
Speaker 1: Belichick that still stands true, like, yeah, he said this
Speaker 1: the other day. Very rarely do these culture changer coaches flail.
Speaker 1: They don't all have great seasons, but very rarely do
Speaker 1: you hire a culture changer and it's a disaster. You know,
Speaker 1: these coordinators, John, these brilliant offensive coordinators, about one out
Speaker 1: of two flame out fast. They just don't work. So
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility that Stikeen maybe is a
Speaker 1: little bit Mike McDaniel, who the media loves because he
Speaker 1: was kind of doroky and a little nerdy and very smart,
Speaker 1: looked like a sport like they kind of related to him.
Speaker 1: But in the end, is Miami to me is maybe
Speaker 1: the least trustable team in the league if it's over
Speaker 1: forty over under forty degrees.
Speaker 2: Well, and think last year they had Vic Fangio, who's
Speaker 2: one of the best defensive coordinators of my life, and
Speaker 2: it didn't work. The players were bitch and moan and
Speaker 2: he wants out. It's like Mike, you get this guy
Speaker 2: working for you, you never let him leave. You fire the
Speaker 2: players before you fire this guy everywhere, we'll take him immediately,
Speaker 2: you know. And so to me, I heard your Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll rant. I think Pete Carroll is no shot because
Speaker 2: of his age, fair or not. I just don't think
Speaker 2: anyone's going to hire him. I mean, I think I
Speaker 2: was a big part of Belichick too. You look at
Speaker 2: these guys seventy two, seventy three years old, and you
Speaker 2: just go, well, in five years, it'll be seventy. I
Speaker 2: think it's really working against him, even though Pete is
Speaker 2: the youngest seventy three year old the history of human beings.
Speaker 2: But if Pete Carroll took over the Bears next year,
Speaker 2: I think they are guaranteed to make the playoffs in
Speaker 2: one of the next three years. Yeah. If Ben Johnson
Speaker 2: takes over the I think there's a fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: chance it's an all time flame out, yep, because you
Speaker 2: just don't overcome it. And like you said, you watch
Speaker 2: his personality, watch the way he carries himself. The toughness
Speaker 2: of the team is built through Dan Campbell and the
Speaker 2: drafting and he's done a good job with schemes in
Speaker 2: the place. He's a brilliant play caller. We have seen
Speaker 2: Pat Schrmer, remember him on the Minnesota Vikings the year
Speaker 2: with a case Keenum. It's like, this guy's a brilliant
Speaker 2: play caller, and then he becomes a head coach for
Speaker 2: the second time. It's the same thing, a disaster. Not
Speaker 2: everyone has meant for that role, and most guys are not.
Speaker 2: Just like in life, like the older you get kind
Speaker 2: of I try to look at myself like what do
Speaker 2: I want to do, where do I want to go?
Speaker 2: What are my strengths and weaknesses? And the best part
Speaker 2: about the NFL if you're a number two your whole life,
Speaker 2: it pays you five million dollars a year to be
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator and listen to someone's gonna pay him
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen million dollars trip. I get it, and
Speaker 2: he's it sure feels like it. But two years ago,
Speaker 2: rumors that I had heard was he was scared to
Speaker 2: he thought he was overwhelmed, so he didn't even really
Speaker 2: entertain it. Last year was pretty embarrassing. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Washington football team clearly not your old Dan Snider operation.
Speaker 2: Pretty high level group was flying in a private jet
Speaker 2: to come talk to him, and he called them on
Speaker 2: the flight to say, hey, I'm out. Pretty low level
Speaker 2: thing like that feels like something that no one Pete Carroll,
Speaker 2: Mike vveriebel are doing that, even if they're going to
Speaker 2: go in a different direction the way he handled it.
Speaker 2: And I just think you hire these coordinators everyone thinks
Speaker 2: you're getting the next Kyle or McVeigh. Mcveigh's a good example,
Speaker 2: like he's really built more like Tomlin and Kyle really
Speaker 2: is built like more like the whiz kid. But Kyle
Speaker 2: is kind of like this old school hard ass, like
Speaker 2: keeps everyone on their toes. I mean, he's miked and
Speaker 2: he's got video cameras in every room. Like everyone's kind
Speaker 2: of on edge in that building because he look at him.
Speaker 2: He's high stressed. He's just he's an intense he's kind
Speaker 2: of a dick, which is a compliment sometimes for football coaches.
Speaker 2: And he's built up the equity now people know he
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing, so he can ride guys in
Speaker 2: the building. I think it's hard for a young coordinator
Speaker 2: who's never had any success outside of being a coordinator.
Speaker 2: If things don't go right early. And the other thing
Speaker 2: is the you know, the elephant in the room with
Speaker 2: the Bears is like this Caleb Williams situation is like
Speaker 2: there's so much pressure on making him good. Let's just
Speaker 2: say there's a chance. I mean, his history would say
Speaker 2: that five out of the five guys in the draft
Speaker 2: are not gonna become like ten year starters, right, some
Speaker 2: of them are gonna miss.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't bet against Jayden at this point, and with
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, as long as he's the head coach, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna bet against bone Nicks. Maybe I'm one of
Speaker 2: the only high guys on Michael Penix. Like the way
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix plays translates to the NFL. Caleb the holding
Speaker 2: onto the ball. Some coaches will tell you, your boy,
Speaker 2: Sean Payton will tell you too, that's something that you
Speaker 2: can't always coach out. Yeah, and it is, you know,
Speaker 2: for all the things that we want. The offensive line
Speaker 2: is not Cayleb's fault, but the holding onto the ball
Speaker 2: for way too, that was something Russell always battled. But
Speaker 2: Russell was I don't know. Their defense was a lot better.
Speaker 2: He had Pete Carroll. Their infrastructure was better, so they
Speaker 2: could kind of coach around it, but they always butted
Speaker 2: heads over that. It's like Russell let it go, but
Speaker 2: he became a star playing that way. Not many guys
Speaker 2: can play like that and consistently. Deshaun Watson for a
Speaker 2: brief moment played like that. Yeah, and then it unraveled
Speaker 2: because most coaches go play within the offense and they
Speaker 2: just don't want it. And Caleb, I think, struggles with
Speaker 2: that a little bit. It's why I pushed back sometimes
Speaker 2: this year on the Caleb, like, well, some of these throws, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's down thirty to seven, so he just made a
Speaker 2: couple of throws. Who cares? That's I wonder if that
Speaker 2: job as much as the administration, that Kevin larn thing.
Speaker 2: If the Caleb, Yeah, he's like this ball of clay,
Speaker 2: but is he really a ball of player? Some of
Speaker 2: those the way that he plays going to be always
Speaker 2: the way he plays, and that holding onto the ball,
Speaker 2: you know, accuracy I think is something we've seen, like
Speaker 2: you can't improve a little bit. Especially in this modern
Speaker 2: day NFL guys are a little more open. There's no
Speaker 2: John Lynch's and at Water's killing people, So you can
Speaker 2: you can be a little more inaccurate still complete balls.
Speaker 2: I do think the like the feel in the pocket
Speaker 2: of holding that ball. Some guys just do it for
Speaker 2: whatever and some guys just have a knack to get
Speaker 2: rid of it. I mean, that's one reason Kyle loves Purty.
Speaker 2: You know, now it's going to the other team sometimes,
Speaker 2: but he will get rid of the football. You watch
Speaker 2: Caleb throw the ball, and Russell used to take a
Speaker 2: lot of sacks. Remember the offensive line used to get crushed.
Speaker 2: And you'd hear people in the NFL so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the offensive line, half those sacks are on him. Naturally
Speaker 2: would always tell you It's like it wasn't always on
Speaker 2: the offensive line, but they always got shit on.
Speaker 1: For yeah, Peyton. That's one of the reasons, the primary reasons.
Speaker 1: It was a personality clash in Russell Wilson's inability to
Speaker 1: let go of the ball on Denver. Okay, obviously, Notre
Speaker 1: Dame George has been pushed back a day because of
Speaker 1: that unspeakable tragedy in New Orleans between a madman, because
Speaker 1: of a madman driving a car full speed. I just
Speaker 1: saw the video. I watched it once and that was
Speaker 1: enough of somebody driving full speed into a crowd of
Speaker 1: fifteen dead at this time. Again, just incredibly unspeakable college
Speaker 1: football fans down in you know what has always been
Speaker 1: sort of an outdoor city in the winter, you go outdoors,
Speaker 1: you're in the streets, Bourbon Street. So just a grotesque tragedy.
Speaker 1: And so that game has been moved. I like Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how strong I feel about that.
Speaker 1: I don't after watching Ohio State dismantled Oregon in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: I think the only strong opinion I have is Ohio
Speaker 1: State is the best balance of talent and coaching right now.
Speaker 1: And I also think i'm I'm I am happy for
Speaker 1: Ohio State because I think everybody thought Ryan Day was
Speaker 1: a good coach. But you know, good coaches have bad
Speaker 1: saturdays and Sundays.
Speaker 2: I mean they do.
Speaker 1: It's okay, like people have. I've had bad shows. You
Speaker 1: know you as a scout, you probably missed them. A player.
Speaker 1: Politicians have bad speeches. Ryan Day had a bad day
Speaker 1: coaching against Michigan, and he has had two great days
Speaker 1: coaching against Tennessee and an Oregon, and I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if he wins the national Championship, people
Speaker 2: will forget about the four lossesits Michigan pretty quickly. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: and let's hope this game. I mean, obviously, like you said,
Speaker 2: you wake up to that news, you have to wonder
Speaker 2: if the administrations from Notre Dame and Georgia are a
Speaker 2: little uneasy, you know, you use some of the bombs
Speaker 2: and stuff about even how can anyone guarantee the safety
Speaker 2: of everybody? I was honestly like, would they move this game?
Speaker 2: It becomes so difficult logistically. Just hope it gets played
Speaker 2: and everyone could stay safe, because I know if I
Speaker 2: was going to the game, I'd be a little I'd
Speaker 2: be hesitant at this point. I mean, I've I've only
Speaker 2: been to Bourbon Street one time when I was in college.
Speaker 2: It is not very wide. You know. This isn't the
Speaker 2: Vegas Strip where there's just a lot of room. This
Speaker 2: is a pretty tight quarter where you would be a
Speaker 2: sitting duck. And I'm with you. I watched that video.
Speaker 2: It's one of those you just turn off your phone.
Speaker 2: You just you just can't even fathom where you witnessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now there's gonna be obviously, your news organizations are
Speaker 1: gonna have more, So I'm not gonna speculate. I saw
Speaker 1: a picture of the guy. He was an army that
Speaker 1: born in Texas. That's what we know.
Speaker 2: But think about you got you got New Year's Eve
Speaker 2: with this game the next night. The amount of alumni
Speaker 2: from places like Notre Dame in Georgia, the amount of
Speaker 2: people that would be there, naturally, it's got to be
Speaker 2: one the most popular nights on Bourbon Street. It's just
Speaker 2: just beyond awful. It is.
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout, a special Wednesday podcast over
Speaker 1: an hour. What a pleasure, what a treat. Congrats to Texas,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and Penn State. And let's get ready for
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Georgia tomorrow. Good talking to you about.
Speaker 2: See you Colin
Speaker 1: The volume