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Speaker 1: All right, John Middlecoff and I are doing a special

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Speaker 1: edition Wednesday afternoon podcast. It'll range from will Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: survive with the Colts, brought Purdy's dismal showing against the

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Speaker 1: Lions in the second half, Saquon Barkley resting that's at

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Speaker 1: the end of it. Let's start with college football. So

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Speaker 1: listen to Ohio State's leading thirty four to nothing at half,

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Speaker 1: and John and I decided it's a good time to

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Speaker 1: do the podcast, So listen to thirteen member committee selected,

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Speaker 1: you know, the teams to get in. And this is

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Speaker 1: what bureau crats and you know, people who are political create,

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Speaker 1: is that nobody thought SMU and Boise State they didn't

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Speaker 1: look the part in the regular season. You know, they

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Speaker 1: play in weaker conferences. But the thing that really outraged

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Speaker 1: State Tennessee, which is a much tougher path than Penn

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Speaker 1: State gets against SMU and Boise State. So the failing

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Speaker 1: of the committee and committees are created to innately fail.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's thirteen different people with thirteen different opinions.

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Speaker 1: We know juries in this country have let the wrong

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Speaker 1: people walk in my life. I just look at Oregon

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Speaker 1: for a second time. I picked Ohio State to win it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it would look like this. But that's

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Speaker 1: not the inclusion of Boise State or SMU. This is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I clearly Oregon got a raw deal,

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Speaker 2: but let's face at the Walhio State has played the

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Speaker 2: first game and the way they look in the second game,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would sniff them right now. They

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Speaker 2: would beat everyone in the country easily. But I hear you,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think part of it is they were

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Speaker 2: had to include a non Power four program, and Boise

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Speaker 2: showed out decently. I thought, yeah, right, And so today

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Speaker 2: a shoe who plays in a Power five conference, but

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Speaker 2: we all look at Big twelve like, are they any good? Right?

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Speaker 2: I think you could argue also Oregon, these teams, you're

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Speaker 2: many people with their hands in the cookie jar. How

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Speaker 2: does Oregon not get a home game? How do these

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Speaker 2: teams Texas? I mean, it's a pretty big advantage to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Oregon did not get a home game.

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Speaker 1: That to me is just you gotta be kidding me.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Ohio State and listen, when you go

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Speaker 1: it does, and we knew this was coming. John. It's

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Speaker 1: not that the regular season doesn't matter, but Ohio State

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Speaker 1: think we put I think the narrative that it's going

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Speaker 1: It's just what it means is if you're a good

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Speaker 1: And my take is, yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs lost

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Speaker 2: I think there's a magnifying glass. I was just thinking,

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Speaker 2: I think it's clearly separated as the game that means

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Speaker 2: At Ohio State, it just doesn't. I mean even Ryan

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Speaker 2: Day said like this can never happen again. That was

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Speaker 2: They have a defensive coordinator that makes two and a

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Speaker 2: We have been talking about their roster and the talent

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Speaker 2: And they have a wide receiver, an eighteen year old kid.

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Speaker 2: That is unstoppable. Listen, Like Oregon's not trying to cover him,

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Speaker 1: You're you're a former NFL scout because Travis Hunter wants

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Speaker 2: I think the problem with Travis Hunter, and I saw

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Speaker 2: Dion say this within the last month, do not draft

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Speaker 2: him if you don't embrace him playing both ways, because

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Speaker 2: that's the game plan. And to me, Dion not only

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Speaker 2: But like you say, those other two guys like just

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Speaker 2: You know were those other guys you also get rest?

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Speaker 1: When I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas, I covered

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Speaker 1: Larry Johnson, the basketball player at UNLV, and that was

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing about Will Howard. I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: I saw him play at Kansas State. I thought, that's

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Speaker 1: a big, strong kid. Now you give him star players.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's an NFL starter, but I

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Speaker 1: only had like three five star guys. Alabama had like eighteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, Georgia has fifteen over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: So talent's hard to do. You get the most out

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Speaker 1: of your talent. But I don't think we're overreacting to

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Speaker 1: they're more explosive. They don't look these these games. They're

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Speaker 2: honestly they didn't. But I think the moment they didn't

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Speaker 2: That's called every single every time, which I hate. I

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Speaker 2: No one's trying to hurt anybody these things. It's so

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Speaker 2: I freaking hate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean you and I both believe it

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Speaker 1: he always wanted. And it's cool because I think Arizona

432
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Speaker 1: States always been one of those programs. We think it's

433
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a sleeping giant, like why aren't

434
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Speaker 1: they better? And I think they found they're Chris Peterson.

435
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: I think they found a brilliant coach. But the Texas

436
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: thing and I wrote this down and listen, Sark Saban

437
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: loved him. Washington had a good ad that loved him.

438
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Speaker 1: USC hired him. Texas is ad. Chris Decante is maybe

439
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Speaker 1: the smartest ad in the country. Smart people higher sark okay,

440
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: John like three schools with big football brands have hired him.

441
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Speaker 1: NFL teams liked him, Saban loved him. We know he's

442
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Speaker 1: a good coach, but one of the things, and we

443
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Speaker 1: know he can plays. I mean they have. I thought

444
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: today they had a couple of different crisis situations where

445
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: they had good scheme plays. But I will say his

446
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: teams feel loose. So it's easy from a couch from

447
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: somebody to say he's overrated. But if Saban thinks you're

448
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: a good coach, and he won. He won an Assistant

449
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Speaker 1: of the Year in college under Saban, and he's had

450
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Speaker 1: three different programs hire him, and again he may end

451
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Speaker 1: up in the national you know, I mean this, this

452
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: guy is in the right spot, right he's in the playoff.

453
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Speaker 1: How do you define him? My knock on him is

454
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: that his teams always look loose, like they're just not

455
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: buttoned up, which is interesting because he coached under Saban,

456
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: who's the opposite. That's my take, and I don't know,

457
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Speaker 1: I don't know what his comp is, but I just

458
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: feel like too many times on the passing game, it's

459
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Speaker 1: a jump ball, like he doesn't have defined reads. Too

460
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Speaker 1: often it's just like, let's just get better players and

461
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: throw a ball at the sideline. Is that yours are sark?

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, I've been as critical and sark as

463
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Speaker 2: anyone over the years. I've been an astronomical amount of

464
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: money when my guy did bor played him last year

465
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: and I thought that was it should have been easier.

466
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: But I'm going to defend him here. I think you

467
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: can look at yours box score. It doesn't look that bad.

468
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: He's twenty to thirty three, twenty two. To me, he's

469
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Speaker 2: a liability, and I just I mean it for the

470
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Speaker 2: talent that they have, because the one knock you've had

471
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Speaker 2: on sark, if you've just watched them coach over the

472
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Speaker 2: year's like a kind of a soft operation, a little

473
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Speaker 2: like Lincoln Riley, Well, he pivoted pretty well, use that

474
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: check book. Their defense is not soft. I mean look today.

475
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Speaker 2: I mean the way they got back into the game

476
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: was a freak double pass where the guy's covered and

477
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Speaker 2: he comes back. Scottaboo underthrows him. You know, I I

478
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Speaker 2: the kicker missed a couple kicks. I mean it hadn't

479
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: he been nails all season long? Yeah, so it's a

480
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: little freakish the way they came back. I mean that

481
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: game was one for the ages with the stuff. I

482
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Speaker 2: think you look at quinn Ewers, who again, if you

483
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Speaker 2: just look at the box score, doesn't look that terrible.

484
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: This a national championship roster without a National championship quarterback.

485
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: I actually think Sark has grown a lot. I think

486
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Speaker 2: he tries to call plays around this player. Sometimes. I

487
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: think he gets into situations where he doesn't trust him.

488
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing with Dilley Ham Like they

489
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Speaker 2: have full trust in that court doesn't have a choice,

490
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: you know. I think sometimes you just like, hey, we

491
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: could just run some bubble screens. Our athletes are better

492
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Speaker 2: than your athletes, right and sometimes for whatever reason, how

493
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Speaker 2: this team fifty three yards rushing fifty three yards rushing

494
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Speaker 2: as ansu like you would think with the amount of

495
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Speaker 2: talent they have on their offensive line and the talent

496
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Speaker 2: they have it running back. If you would have said

497
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Speaker 2: what do they rush for coming into this ASU game,

498
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Speaker 2: I would have said easily one hundred and forty yards

499
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: and they just had it wasn't working. They just abandoned

500
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Speaker 2: it and Asu selling out, like make Quinn, you weers

501
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 2: beat us, which ironically kind of did in the overtime

502
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: because you didn't cover anyone in the end zone. But

503
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Speaker 2: for most part, the reason they got back into it

504
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Speaker 2: the interception. How many times this year have Texas been

505
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Speaker 2: in a position where they can really put the nail

506
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Speaker 2: on the coffin and Quinn you were, turns the ball over,

507
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: or they're down in a game against George they're coming

508
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: back and he turns the ball over. There is just

509
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Speaker 2: an element of I mean, if he was an NFL player,

510
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Speaker 2: he would be highly highly criticized, and I would imagine

511
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Speaker 2: the Texas reddit community, in the football community. He's a

512
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: pretty polarizing guy, and everyone's like, we're going to arch

513
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: banding next year. Know if fans or budts about it.

514
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Speaker 2: If I was a Texas fan, I'd be like, well,

515
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Speaker 2: why is he just playing right now? Because if he's

516
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Speaker 2: as good as everyone says he's going to be and

517
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: he's a manning, I mean, who the only team that

518
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: I've seen that could even remotely play with us would

519
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: be Ohio State. We can't beat Ohio State with this player.

520
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Speaker 2: That's what I would be thinking. And there's a loyalty

521
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Speaker 2: and listen, I think this is where coaches sometimes are

522
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: different than personnel people, definitely different fans. They're very loyal

523
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Speaker 2: to a guy. Clearly, him and Quinn have a long

524
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Speaker 2: standing relationship. Now he's roaded with them this long. They've

525
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Speaker 2: had a lot of success. Right last year they were

526
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. This year they're now in the Final four.

527
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Speaker 2: But man, I think you have this great I mean,

528
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Speaker 2: they're defense. How many of those guys look like NFL

529
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Speaker 2: players and they have freshmen that look like they're gonna

530
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Speaker 2: be top ten picks. And what are they going to

531
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Speaker 2: be against Ohio State? Would you guess a six point underdog?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I would. That's a that's a great question.

533
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Speaker 1: I I would take Ohio State minus six. To me,

534
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't take Texas until we got into like seven

535
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Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, you know, it's just funny.

536
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: These thought it was offenses. Texas offense has been their problem.

537
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: Their defense for the most part this year has been fantastic.

538
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: And to me, it's not sark. It's the quarterback. Because

539
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: the quarterback is just not that good relative to what

540
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: they their standard and the way they're playing. I mean,

541
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Speaker 2: if they had some of these quarterbacks that we've seen

542
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Speaker 2: in college football over the years, the guys Bama has had,

543
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Speaker 2: the Joe Burrows, the Trevor Lawrence's, I mean, I think

544
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Speaker 2: this we'd be looking at Texas, Ohio State like equals.

545
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Speaker 2: But when you have a quarterback who's just not I

546
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Speaker 2: mean that picky through was just terrible. And even who's

547
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Speaker 2: Jesse Palmer's, like, you can't put that much air under

548
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Speaker 2: the ball. And ASU's DB's are not. You know, Deon

549
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Speaker 2: Sanders ned Reid back there, you just make he does

550
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: it all the time. His interceptions are really really bad. Guy.

551
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Penn State thirty one, Boise State fourteen. Boise State,

552
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: for the record, had the ball in the red zone.

553
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I counted four times, it could have been five, and

554
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't get any points. So Penn State gave them multiple

555
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: opportunities to make that game much closer. Boise State had

556
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: a touchdown that was called back because of a holding penalty,

557
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: so it was thirty one to fourteen, but it was

558
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: it didn't look like a blowout. I mean, there was

559
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: multiple opportunities for Boys game. It was a good game,

560
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: so it's really interesting. So first of all, Carter is

561
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Speaker 1: a top five player. He got banged up. Great player

562
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: Nick Singleton, who was like a Gatorade player the year

563
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: in high school. He's going to be a stud Pro

564
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: running back Drew Aller is fascinating, big guy, big arm.

565
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: There are stories out there that NFL scouts think he

566
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Speaker 1: may still go pro, and many say he would go

567
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: number one simply on arm, strength and size. Can I

568
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: look at Penn State and I have great respect for

569
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: the program, but they remind me a little bit of

570
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: a poor man's Ohio State. They're just never quite they

571
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: don't have quite as many NFL guys, They're just not

572
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: quite as good. People criticize James Franklin, but the guy

573
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: wonted Vandy, so he's fine. He's a great recruiter. Can

574
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Speaker 1: Penn State win the Natty?

575
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: I think they need Carter to be healthy because early

576
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: in that game he had won pass rusher like Holy

577
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 2: that looks like Micah Parsons in number eleven. And then

578
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: when you go with the other guys, I told you

579
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Speaker 2: I think last week, I think they could win the

580
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: whole thing. But he's I mean, you lose a top

581
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: five player, I don't care how good your recruiting is.

582
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: It's pretty damn good. That'd be a big blow. But

583
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: how good does Warren look? The running backs look fantastic,

584
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks playing great? Is to you just trust James Franklin.

585
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Speaker 2: I think the one thing we saw with ASU and

586
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Boise there's a gritty dis in, a toughness that just

587
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: even Ohio State. Ohio State's showing it now, but they

588
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: go for a long period of time without it because

589
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: they don't need it. Yeah, Boise State for twenty five

590
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: years is built on that, and I think Kenny Dillinghan

591
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: has brought that to Arizona State, and that's why they

592
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: can go toe to toe with a team where they

593
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: don't have one guy that would start for the other team.

594
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's truly if you remove Genty, which

595
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean gent would technically start for Penn State, but

596
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: they would rotate the other guys in.

597
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Singleton. Singleton's a great running back.

598
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually learn more about Genty in that

599
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: game than I do with some of his two hundred

600
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: and fifty yard games against New Mexico. Running over Penn State.

601
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: It was an impressive, just gritty effort by the guy.

602
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: Running for every yard was contested, running his ass off.

603
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: He's a he's a big time player. Yeah.

604
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: He he doesn't fumble, but he did twice in this game,

605
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: and that was frea gi Yeah, he only averaged three

606
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: and a half yards of carry. I think part of

607
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Gent's strength. I mean I don't put him in the

608
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: class of Zeke or Saquon, Adrian Peterson or McCaffrey. Is

609
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: an NFL first d on running back. I don't he'll

610
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: go first round because it's a weak draft.

611
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: But he's five eight. I mean that's kind of a

612
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: it's not ideal.

613
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think his strength is that he is so

614
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: small and so powerful. He is hard, you know, like

615
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: we're running backs. You don't want a six to two

616
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: running back. I think he's hard. To get that pad

617
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: level low enough to get him a shot, and so

618
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: what you end up doing when you tackle him, it's

619
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: almost always arm tackles because he's five to eight, so

620
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: when he lowers, so when he runs and lowers his head,

621
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Speaker 1: it's like tackling a five to five and a half guy.

622
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: He always has the center of gravity and he always

623
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: has sort of leverage on you hips down and so

624
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: it's like Penn State guys held him to three and

625
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: a half yards to carry, but he broke so many

626
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: arm tackles and I so it's like I look at

627
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: him as a first round running back in a week draft.

628
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't look at him as an NFL superstar. I

629
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: don't think he has the juice of Saquon I don't

630
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: think he has the strength or speed of Adrian Peterson.

631
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't think he's his talent that is McCaffrey, who's

632
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: also small. I think part of the package with him

633
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: is you just can't get under him and his size

634
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: is and I think in the NFL he'll have success,

635
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know as I watch him. My take

636
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: is he'll need the right fit in the NFL to

637
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: be a star. But he is a starter.

638
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, to me, he's gonna get drafted really high.

639
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be a good player in the NFL.

640
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: I would struggle, you know, let's say somewhere between fifteen

641
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: and twenty five. I think a lot of people think

642
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: that's the range he's gonna get picked. Well, if I'm

643
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: drafting twentieth, and then my next pick is fiftieth. Why

644
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't I If I could take a corner or no

645
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: offensive lineman at twentieth, I can get one of these

646
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: other good running backs at fiftieth. So it's kind of

647
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: supply demand. It's always why a lot of people why

648
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: did Jim Harbaugh take the tackle at five and then

649
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: take lad McConkey in the second round. Because there's a

650
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: ton of wide receivers in every draft, So I'm gonna

651
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: get a guy that starts in the second round. We

652
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: see it every year with wide receivers. Like, you know,

653
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: would you take a wide receiver in the top ten? Well,

654
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: if I'm drafting after you, I hope you do, so

655
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: I can take another position. I can take a wide

656
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: receiver later. So I mean every game I watch Henderson

657
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: for Ohio State, he's an NFL player. All these teams

658
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: have NFL players and running back. So why would I

659
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: take a running back in the first round? If I

660
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: think I get ninety five percent or ninety percent of

661
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: that guy? Maybe in a third round. Yeah, if I

662
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: get Skataboo, Skataboo's gonna run like a four to seven

663
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: to five. What if I can get the guy in

664
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: the third run. You don't think Jim Harbaugh's gonna like skataboo.

665
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Does that guy have charger written all over?

666
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean it's I think I told you

667
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: this recently. Wood he marks for USC is their best

668
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: back since Reggie Bush. He maybe a fifth round back.

669
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Now maybe Gent's better than him, He's not that much

670
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: better than him. Like it is a loaded I mean this.

671
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: This Singleton kid at Penn State was the National Gatorade

672
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, was the Big Ten Freshman of

673
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: the year. He Singleton is again. I mean, I don't

674
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: know as measurables, but he's like six feet two twenty seven.

675
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: It looks small to me with a burst.

676
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: It's like if anybody dropped in the first round. I

677
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: could see Gent dropping. Not because he's not good, but

678
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: because of the depth of the position.

679
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: You know. The one thing, Yeah, I'm with you. I

680
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: just think it's if he measures in at five eight.

681
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: You know, remember Darren Sproles, who was as dominant of

682
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: a college player in the last twenty five years as

683
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: there was now. Times have changed a lot with size,

684
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: but he was the same thing five to seven, five eight.

685
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: He went in the fourth round. Now that modern day

686
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: player would go much higher. It is difficult to pull

687
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: the trigger on a guy in the teams or the

688
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: low twenties that is five to eight, no matter how

689
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: dominant he is, you know, and again, I think the

690
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: teams are gonna hesitate. They're gonna really like that. I

691
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: haven't texted a scout that doesn't love the player. But

692
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: that hight thing is just something with gms and coaches.

693
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: That is just That's where Drew Aller right now today.

694
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: You know, I know Drew Aller is committed to go

695
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: back to school, right, which is worth millions of dollars.

696
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure I would say a month ago he was

697
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: not viewed as a lock first round pick. I don't

698
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: see how he would not go in the first round today.

699
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what pick he would be a first rounder, right,

700
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: no question, no question. So now we start going, well,

701
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: we know quarterback inflation, they go higher. People are gonna

702
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: nitpick these other two quarterbacks. I mean, he's bigger, he's stronger,

703
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: and now he's playing really well under the brightest lights.

704
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: He wins another game. He's playing with all these other guys,

705
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: Abduell Carter. If he's healthy, he's going in the top

706
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: five or six picks. How much has Warren helped his

707
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: draft stock the second half of this year. I mean,

708
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: that guy's gonna be it's not a great draft. You're

709
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: telling me he can't go in the top ten or

710
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: twelve pick.

711
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you count Aler, Singleton, Carter, and Warren,

712
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: those are four star players. So the idea, can they

713
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: win a national championship? I don't know. I feel like

714
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: they're a little bit of a poor man's Ohio State.

715
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: But again, I mean, how many games in a row

716
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: can Ohio State play perfect football? There is something to

717
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: be said. I mean, Ohio State now looks like the

718
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: world's best team. It is hard play at this level

719
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: for that long. I want to do three NFL topics.

720
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: Number one, Saquon Barkley. They're not going to play him

721
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: in the final game. So I've said this before, John,

722
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: I'm not an awards guy. I just don't care. I mean,

723
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: I just do not care. I don't know how many

724
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls and All Pros Tom Brady had. I know

725
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: his Super Bowls, So I don't care. I don't think

726
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: most athletes care. If my athletes care too much about

727
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls unless they have bonuses I'm worried about him.

728
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: I would not play Saquon. I didn't like them feeding

729
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: him the ball thirty one times. The only position left

730
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: in football, college or pro that you can hit anybody, anywhere,

731
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: anytime is a running back coming through the line. If

732
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: you hit and nobody's gonna throw a targeting foul. If

733
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: a running back squeezes through and you go helmet to

734
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: helmet from the side. So to me, it's the last

735
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: position in football that's a little bit of a piniata,

736
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: and you have to consider that when they play. I

737
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: remember years ago Leonard Fournett and McCaffrey bowed out of

738
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: bowl games, and I said, quarterback bothered me, star receiver.

739
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: I'd wonder if he's soft running back in the Liberty.

740
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Bowl bow out.

741
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: I got your back, So I don't have a problem

742
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: at all with Saquon and the Eagles decision.

743
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: To you, no, Well, if I'm the Eagles, my quarterback's

744
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: already got concussion, and you know, I don't even know

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: if it's he's officially cleared a week and a half out.

746
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: The two guys that I can't afford to get injured

747
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: are my left tackle and my right tackle. Lane Johnson

748
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: surely is not going to play in this game. And

749
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: the left tackle, the Australian guy, my Lota, I doubt

750
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna play either. So right off the bat, my

751
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: star quarterback and the running element with him and Saquan

752
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: is a huge, you know, addition to our success, and

753
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: my two star offensive linemen are out and I'm going

754
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: to play my running back in week in a game

755
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: that up until how long have we been playing? This

756
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: last game for an extra three years, didn't even exist.

757
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: So we already won. We stole them from the Giants

758
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: for not much money, and no one will ever forget

759
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: when we probably got everyone and the Giants fired and

760
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: he ran for two thousand yards. You know, football is

761
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: not really a record sport. What's the most record for yards?

762
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: No one could tell me the exact yards. No one cares.

763
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: But if you run for two thousand yards like that's

764
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: a historic moment. They already got the record, even if

765
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't actually count. It happened stolen from the Giants,

766
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: He ran from two It was one of the great

767
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: wins of all time. Howie the Eagles Sirianni Saquon, this

768
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: was a home run. Can you imagine if you were

769
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: going for this record, which is not apples to apples

770
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: because they did not play the same amount of games,

771
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: we can argue should we care not? It is kind

772
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: of a big deal. If you didn't. It was a

773
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: gent Barry Sanders thing. It was like, well, he played

774
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: way more games than Barry Sanders. But if Saquon Barkley

775
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: broke his ankle in a game, that literally means nothing.

776
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Even if other guys were pulled can how would the

777
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: only thing that matters, The only thing that mattered from

778
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: the start of the season for the Eagles was January.

779
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: We all knew that they were going to get there,

780
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: and then it actually they got way hotter than we thought,

781
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: and it's like, God, they're incredible. But if he got

782
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: injured in this moment, or let's say Lane Johnson got

783
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: injured in the game trying to get him the record is,

784
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: there's too much on the line. This team has been

785
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 2: building this thing for three or four years to get

786
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: this good that they won Colin like they the Giants lost.

787
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: They won.

788
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Baseball is the record sport. Basketball is the aesthetic sport.

789
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: There's a beauty in an art to it. Football is

790
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: about winning, always has been always will be. It's about

791
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: winning and you protect your best players as they keep

792
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: lengthening the season. Now they're seventeen games within two years.

793
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: My guess is, we have eighteen games. The one position

794
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and protect and you know, is

795
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: running back. And it's interesting. A couple of years ago

796
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: people were saying running backs have no future. You know,

797
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the winner in an eighteen game schedule, dual John is

798
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: running backs. I think every team will carry another running back.

799
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: You won't carry another you won't carry another Mike linebacker.

800
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: I think every team now will say probably need another

801
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: running back on the roster, and I do think with

802
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: eighteen games, roster expansion will happen. And I'm gonna want

803
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: an extra I mean, let's be honest, I'm gonna want

804
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: an extra running back, probably an extra offensive lineman, and

805
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: maybe an extra linebacker because of the hits they you know,

806
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: they incur. But running backs are doing quite fine. The

807
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: league is obviously pivoted to more of a running league

808
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: with many of the best teams, so I know everybody

809
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: was freaking out about that, But running backs are back.

810
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: Did you see a story floating around there on the internet.

811
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how much validity there is to this,

812
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: But I know, listen, it's it's pro sports. A lot

813
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: of money in the line that's heard. Crazier is that

814
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: the Jets would entertain going all in and making Howie

815
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: Roseman basically the Tzar of football. And I don't know

816
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: if this is even possible, offering him equity and obviously

817
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: making him paid, because even if gms make a lot,

818
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: they make six seven million dollars. Well, we have some

819
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: of these coaches make a double triple that. Yeah, you

820
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: know so and how he's got a lot of juice.

821
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: But listen, you pay me twenty million dollars a year.

822
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: You know, gms don't usually get leverage like coaches that

823
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: often to really put the hammer down and get paid.

824
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: So listen, this could be a little bit of a

825
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: leverage play by Howie who's you know him? And tann

826
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: Obomber closer. Just if I was the Jets, I'd take

827
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: a hail Mary on a guy like Howie to you know,

828
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: he's from Brooklyn, that's where he grew up. I was like, yeah,

829
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: I think if you're Woody Johnson that you could do

830
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: way worse than that.

831
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I over the course of my life.

832
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm sixty years old now. Over the course of my life,

833
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: one thing has been universally true. There's very little great,

834
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: and when you get great, you never let it go.

835
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: You build around great. And Howie Roseman feels like he's

836
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: in a class by himself, and that includes other gms.

837
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: I like he's the most aggressively at his job, for sure,

838
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: he's and I just think there aren't many people like that. So,

839
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, great endures, great separates, and I

840
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: don't care if it's if you're you know, a firm

841
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: in New York on Wall Street, if you have a

842
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: great stockbroker, you can get me three good ones. They

843
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: don't equal one great one. So to me, Howie Roseman,

844
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: if he broke the bank, would deserve it. Okay, let's

845
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: go two more topics. Brock Pretty. So you're obviously an

846
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: NFL scout, and whenever you know, I tend to let

847
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: you lead on that stuff because it's what you do

848
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: and know much more about it. I've never been a

849
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: huge Pretty fan. I have kind of a base belief

850
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: that if the great quarterbacks are not if quarterbacks Joe

851
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: Burrow's great battle line, shitty defense coach can't figure the

852
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: clock out. He wins, and he produces. You're not always

853
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: going to win if you don't have good people around you,

854
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: but you'll be wildly productive. Burrow's a great example of that.

855
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Even Herbert finally has a good coach, but he was

856
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: breaking rookie records as a rookie with a bad coach

857
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: in the thirty second ranked offensive line. Purty to me,

858
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: has always been an if quarterback, if the protection's good,

859
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: if he's got a lead, he's now. I think we

860
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge he is not a good fourth quarter quarterback.

861
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: He's not a good quarterback trailing now. That's not six

862
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: games or eight. It's a pretty big sample now. And

863
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I do think the separator in this league beyond some

864
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: traits size movement, hand size, arm, but beyond some of

865
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: that is how do you play from behind? Some guys

866
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: have hit, some don't. I could not pay pretty early.

867
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: I could not pay him a number at five. But

868
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: he's going to have leverage because Trey Lance didn't work.

869
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: If the Vikings franchise, darnold, what do you do Aaron

870
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Rodgers Kirk Cousins as somebody who has done this for

871
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: a living, as somebody who was a fan of Purty

872
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: and has peeled back a little bit. If you ran

873
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: the Niners, what you do do you draft Riley Leonard

874
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: in the third round and just I mean, what do

875
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: you do?

876
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, I just played out another year, And

877
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: I think as concerning as the two interceptions were, and

878
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: they were bad interceptions in a game that an interception

879
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: lost the game, one interception was gonna lose the game.

880
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: Jared Goff couldn't afford to do it, Perty couldn't afford

881
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: to do it, and he threw too And even Kyle

882
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: admitted after the game we lost the game with the

883
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: two turnovers. That was the type game we were in.

884
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: His elbow nerve issue, Like, I don't think that he

885
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: has a nerve issue with his hand, just randomly with

886
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: the UCL thing a couple of years ago. Now luckily

887
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: he didn't tear his UCL, but he's already had Tommy

888
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: John and then he has I would say a relatively

889
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to say innocuous, might be a little light,

890
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: but he was not throttled. They kind of he tackled

891
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: him as he was rolling. It wasn't just he didn't

892
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: just get molly wop sitting there in the pocket and

893
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: he couldn't grip it, and he said his arm was

894
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: on fire. Right, So you're telling me your arm's on fire,

895
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: you can't grip it when you've already had an elbow issue.

896
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: That would gravely concerned me, Collin. So the play had

897
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: already really disturbed me. The second half performance this year

898
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: had not been good, specifically these last three games. They

899
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: were six and seven. In that Rams game, they win it. Boom,

900
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: they're playing Miami, they're playing this game, they have a

901
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: chance to make the playoffs. And he throws five interceptions

902
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: or four interceptions, two picks that lose the Miami game

903
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: and the Rams game, and then the two interceptions in

904
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: this last game. So the game's kind of unraveled on

905
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: his watch. The other thing is over the middle of

906
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: the field sometimes when the pockets a little muddied, I

907
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: don't think he can see that well. And sometimes I

908
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: think balls balloon on him and he gets lucky. Sometimes.

909
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: Kittle's tall and can make some miraculous catches, but some

910
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: of his picks happen when Deebo, little shorter guy not

911
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: able to you know, overcorrect in the air and balls

912
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: fly and his picks feel like he did throw the

913
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: one to Juwan out outside a lot of them in

914
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. It goes back to last year,

915
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: and I do think that's an eye issue. Can't see.

916
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: If you can't see, you let it go and you're like,

917
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: oh shit, But he doesn't know that. When there are

918
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: guys in front of him in this notion, everyone's like, well,

919
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: he's having a great game. Well the ram or excuse me,

920
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: the Lions defense was a practice squad unit beside two

921
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: or three players, that's right, and he was a viscerating him,

922
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: which is he's a good player, I hope, so everyone's

923
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: been a viscerating them. But then the picks happened in

924
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. It's like that can't that just can't.

925
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: I've told you before, he's got to hang his hat

926
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: on decision making because the skill set is not going

927
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: to be outrageously special.

928
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: Here, I'm gonna throw this at you. And this is

929
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: one of my favorite topics in all sports is cultural changes.

930
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: So you and I both admit that guys like Drew

931
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: Bledsoe or a more recent advanced example of Carson Palmer,

932
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: they didn't have seven on seven camps. They didn't have

933
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: ten thousand throws by the time they were twelve years old.

934
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: These kids are better now and faster at quarterback. Is

935
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: there's a cultural shift happening with quarterbacks. If you go

936
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: back to the twenty eighteen draft class, now that's the

937
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: one I think with Darnold, Baker, Lamar, Josh, Josh, Okay

938
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: So and Rool four guys who are STAPs so. And

939
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: that's not the only draft class that that's happened in.

940
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: We also had the Herbert Tua Burrow draft class. I

941
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: think Jalen Hurts was second round in that draft class,

942
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: and may be wrong, but I think he was. We

943
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: now have you and I growing up. They always talked

944
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: about that one great draft class, Oh Marino in lway

945
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen, now we have multiple quarterback draft classes.

946
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: We're four guys hit four okay, like it's now a

947
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: regular occurrence. This is a week draft class. Last year's

948
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: we may have the best draft class ever last year.

949
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: Jaden's unbelievable, Bonix is good, Pennix looks good in brief duty,

950
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Caleb's a sensational talent, Drake may will be good when

951
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: he gets players, and JJ McCarthy look unbelievable. In the preseason,

952
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: we may have a five for five. So you go

953
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: back to the Donald Baker, Lamar Josh class, you go

954
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: to the Herbert Tua Jalen Hurtsborough class. You go to

955
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: this last class. This is a week class. But now

956
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: we have three draft classes. You get four high end

957
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: starters or more. And my take is next year, if

958
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: you really do your homework, I think Riley Leonard is

959
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: going to be the late mid round guy that pops

960
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: this year. Maybe I'm wrong, but somebody I think will

961
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: pop third fourth round. I think it's Notre Dame's quarterback.

962
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Next year is supposed to be a much better quarterback,

963
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: especially if Drew Aller comes out next year. Is what

964
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: about this? You just roll the dice and say, we're

965
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: not signing Donald do a huge deal, Aaron doesn't interest us,

966
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: Cousins isn't playing well, we're not signing Perny, and you

967
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: just roll the dice and say we're gonna have We

968
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: think it's going to be another four quarterback draft class.

969
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: I know that you don't like to do that, but Pep,

970
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: you know as scouts you're two years ahead of where

971
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm at. I think culturally We're just getting these four

972
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: quarterback classes on a regular basis, why not roll the dice?

973
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean my thing specifically with Perty is the

974
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 2: NFL I grew up on. It was like, Okay, we're

975
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: not paying you right now, play it out, and that

976
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: kind of has dropped by the wayside of these last

977
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: four or five years. The teams kind of get pushed

978
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: around by the agents. Why why can't you go, we

979
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 2: got one more year of a contract. We're gonna play

980
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: it out. You're making millions off the field. You benefit

981
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: from being the starting quarterback of the forty nine ers

982
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: if you're a great player and you're a fifty million

983
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: dollar player. I just thowt their schedule came out there

984
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: playing a last play schedule that forty nine ers should dominate.

985
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: The other thing was what make Kyle shan Hansel special

986
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: One with Jimmy Garoppolo, one with Brock Perty. Should he

987
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: be able to find some other guy to win with? Right?

988
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, if you're not gonna get a

989
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, you should just be able

990
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: to with any kind of quarterback and a pretty decent clip.

991
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: Your team's pretty good. So I'm with you, I would

992
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: personally just roll it out another year. But it feels

993
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: like these teams. When you talk to some of these

994
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: contract negotiators now, they say it has turned into a

995
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: little bit more, you know, the players, because the money's

996
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: so big now that they're so hesitant to like, fuck you,

997
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna show up, which we've always seen some holdouts.

998
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: They are a lot more prevalent now because even a

999
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: random player is getting sixty seventy million dollars guaranteed. And

1000
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: you know, these quarterbacks that minimum are getting one hundred

1001
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars guaranteed. But I would play hardball,

1002
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: especially if he's injured. It's the conversation's made already. It's like, yeah,

1003
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: we can't sign an injured player, or there's question marks

1004
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: about the injury. So I've said forever the forty nine ers,

1005
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: I have a hard bargain. I'd be stunned if this

1006
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: thing is easy. And I think everything's on the table

1007
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: right now. I think, Kyle, you know, I think they

1008
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: were so desperate for the Trey Lance thing and it

1009
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: blew up in their face, and I think that's kind

1010
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: of a one off. That twenty twenty draft with COVID.

1011
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: That's we're not gonna see anything like that again. And

1012
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: I think he feels comfortable with this. But I think

1013
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: he's not an idiot like he kind of You saw

1014
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: his face when perty through one of those picks and

1015
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: he puts the thing over because he know Monday night football.

1016
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to go viral of him just going nuts.

1017
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: Who knows what he was saying, but he did that

1018
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: specifically to cover his mouth because he was like, we can't,

1019
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: how can you throw that ball? He was hanging his

1020
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: hat on it up here like he was gonna be

1021
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: like a Drew Brees with a little more mobility Drew Brees.

1022
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: This separating factor was decision making right. Some of these

1023
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: other guys can get away with some dumb throws because

1024
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: they also make ten incredible throws. Purty has to not

1025
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 2: turn the ball over and four turnovers in the last

1026
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 2: three games with their season on the line. In winnable games,

1027
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: it'd be one thing if you're down twenty or up

1028
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: twenty like these are Ty game, you're playing the best

1029
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: and the one thing I do respect and why I

1030
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: think the NFL is just crushing Lions had nothing to

1031
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: play for, whether they lost that game. Minnesota game meant

1032
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: the same thing. The forty nine Ers are dead and

1033
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: going season's over, and you had all these star players

1034
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: playing that game like it's means everything to them, and

1035
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: it was just like, I just I just enjoy the

1036
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: level of spirit and energy that the star players in

1037
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: this league give us on a weekly basis. I mean,

1038
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: the Lions have one of the biggest games in the

1039
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: franchise's history coming up in six games, they have to

1040
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: fly five hours home in the middle of the night.

1041
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: They're at a huge disadvantage, and they're guys laid it

1042
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: on the line like that was a playoff game. I mean,

1043
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: that's if anyone wonders why the NFL is king you

1044
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: turn on Monday night football, everyone knows game means nothing,

1045
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: definitely for the forty nine ers, and it's just like

1046
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: these team teams are throwing the kitchen stick at each other.

1047
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: Finally, Chris Ballard probably in some trouble as the GM

1048
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: of the Colts. So you know, it's interesting because I

1049
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: think think he hired the right coach in Shane Steikin.

1050
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they had a choice on quarterback. I mean, listen,

1051
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: when Jim Ersay impulsively told them to get rid of

1052
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz after he had twenty seven touchdowns and seven picks,

1053
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: because he had a bad game against the Jags down

1054
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: in Florida, which the Colts have played poorly there for years.

1055
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: It put Chris Ballard in the entire organization behind the

1056
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: eight ball. I think the Cultu are one of those

1057
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: teams that we think are well run because Ballard does

1058
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: a really good job, but they're not because basically Ersay

1059
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: is one of the more impulsive owners. He's likable, but

1060
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: his personal life is well documented, and when I look

1061
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: at that franchise, I think that Carson Wentz they had

1062
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: to go in and get Philip Rivers, and they've been

1063
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: basically bailing water. They've had the worst quarterback Luck Andrew

1064
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: Luck retires right before a season.

1065
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: You're ft.

1066
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, owner tells you get rid of them. But

1067
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 1: he's a big, strong, mobile guy who had a good season.

1068
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: Get rid of him. Philip Rivers was the least athletic

1069
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league, but again they won with him

1070
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson. He was available. They didn't want to

1071
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: give away the farm for a quarterback. We had questions

1072
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: coming in and he can't complete a high enough level

1073
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: of passes. And it's one thing to be talented and

1074
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: get off to a slow star. Caleb Williams, we know

1075
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: he's talented. We know he struggled Anthony Richardson. He was

1076
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: a total question mark, not a great college quarterback, and

1077
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: now he's struggling here. I think you have to cut

1078
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: ties with him. I don't think it's a Chris Ballard issue.

1079
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: I think if this team had c. J. Stroud, even

1080
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: it made the eighth best quarterback in the league. I

1081
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: think they're a playoff team, but I think it wears

1082
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: on a team when you have to constantly overcome a quarterback.

1083
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: And I think in that Giants game, you saw you

1084
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: constantly literally as a coaching staff. I mean you talked

1085
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: about this with Sark and quinn Ewers. I watched the

1086
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: Colts and they coach around and Tony Richardson, and I

1087
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: think that when you do that, you can win games,

1088
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: but you will eventually have stinkers. You're just constantly coaching

1089
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: around the most important position. I have a relationship with Bounder.

1090
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: I like him, I like the roster. Do you think

1091
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: he survives.

1092
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think everything's on the table after this

1093
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 2: week when McAfee puts out the tweet and then their

1094
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: coach admits to yeah, guys are showing up late. But hey,

1095
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: guys show up late, It's like, no, they actually don't.

1096
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: You think guys are showing up late Andy Reid's meetings

1097
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: or Kyle Shanahan or Sean mcvay's meetings, And if they do,

1098
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: there aren't heavy repercussions. So they clearly have kind of

1099
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: a loosey goosey ship. And to me less that's on

1100
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: the coach, Yeah, when it comes to meetings and stuff,

1101
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: And you just wonder this transition from being a coordinator,

1102
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: which he was a hot shot coordinator and being the

1103
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: lead guy. Everything's on the table when the quarterback taps

1104
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: out of the game and that becomes the biggest controversy

1105
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL. You have to answer for that three

1106
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: times a week instead of the coordinator just once, Like,

1107
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: that's your problem. How do you handle it? Do you

1108
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: bench them? Your decision when a guy gets in trouble,

1109
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: when a guy says something stupid on a podcast, it's

1110
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. And I do

1111
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: just wonder if Shane stiche's a little bit over his

1112
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: head as a head coach because when a story comes

1113
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: out that he had that, hey, you guys are showing

1114
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: up late, You're like, you better shoot that down. And

1115
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 2: then we've had guys show up late. But hey, people

1116
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 2: show up late all over the place. No, I don't

1117
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: think so like, because I think that snowballs into other things.

1118
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: Then are you not practicing well or guys screwing around?

1119
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: And I think this all gets back to the Anthony

1120
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 2: Richardson tap out thing. People questioning like he gets injured

1121
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: a lot, but are they serious injuries? There's all and

1122
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: no one really knows what's going on, and they feel

1123
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: like they've taken on back to what you say, Jim

1124
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: Orsay's personality well, unreliable and who knows what the hell's

1125
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: gonna happen.

1126
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: Listen, everybody loves Norv Turner. Jimmy Johnson swears by him,

1127
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman swears by him. Could never do it as

1128
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: a head coach, and he was a brilliant, brilliant coordinator.

1129
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: There are guys, you know, you see it in politics.

1130
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: Some guys are vice presidents, some guys are presidents. You

1131
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: see it all the time. You guy will be a

1132
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: great sales manager at a company, but you wouldn't want

1133
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: to run in the company. You know, he's a little loose,

1134
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: a little late night, but he's a great sales guy.

1135
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: And it's quite possible that Shane Steichen is one of

1136
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: these sort of modern coaches that is softer on players.

1137
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: He's pro players. I mean, Brandon Staley was a very

1138
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: good defensive coordinator. I mean he the Rams defense was excellent.

1139
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: He was a disaster, and it just got worse and

1140
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: worse and worse, and the details and it got looser

1141
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: and looser. And I think, you know, it's quite possible

1142
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: that Stichen, Like I've said this about Ben Johnson, I

1143
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: think Ben Johnson is a great coordinator. Now it is

1144
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: easier when you have like eight Pro Bowl players on

1145
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: your offense. And I don't when I see him talk

1146
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: and when I listen to him, I don't see I've

1147
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: said this about Mike McDaniel, I don't see a culture

1148
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: changer and a leader of men. What I see as

1149
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: a really smart guy. And by the way, Mike McDaniels

1150
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: is a very modern, progressive pro player coach. What's our

1151
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: knock on Miami they're soft. Shane Steichen, modern progressive guy.

1152
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: What's our knock on him? Pro player? He's soft. So

1153
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: I think that there is this hard ass component to

1154
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: football coaches, this Harbaugh Vrabel, this sort of intense Tomlin

1155
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: Belichick that still stands true, like, yeah, he said this

1156
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: the other day. Very rarely do these culture changer coaches flail.

1157
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: They don't all have great seasons, but very rarely do

1158
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: you hire a culture changer and it's a disaster. You know,

1159
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: these coordinators, John, these brilliant offensive coordinators, about one out

1160
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: of two flame out fast. They just don't work. So

1161
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility that Stikeen maybe is a

1162
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: little bit Mike McDaniel, who the media loves because he

1163
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: was kind of doroky and a little nerdy and very smart,

1164
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: looked like a sport like they kind of related to him.

1165
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: But in the end, is Miami to me is maybe

1166
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: the least trustable team in the league if it's over

1167
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: forty over under forty degrees.

1168
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: Well, and think last year they had Vic Fangio, who's

1169
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: one of the best defensive coordinators of my life, and

1170
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: it didn't work. The players were bitch and moan and

1171
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: he wants out. It's like Mike, you get this guy

1172
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: working for you, you never let him leave. You fire the

1173
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: players before you fire this guy everywhere, we'll take him immediately,

1174
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 2: you know. And so to me, I heard your Pete

1175
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: Carroll rant. I think Pete Carroll is no shot because

1176
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: of his age, fair or not. I just don't think

1177
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: anyone's going to hire him. I mean, I think I

1178
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: was a big part of Belichick too. You look at

1179
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: these guys seventy two, seventy three years old, and you

1180
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: just go, well, in five years, it'll be seventy. I

1181
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: think it's really working against him, even though Pete is

1182
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: the youngest seventy three year old the history of human beings.

1183
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: But if Pete Carroll took over the Bears next year,

1184
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: I think they are guaranteed to make the playoffs in

1185
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: one of the next three years. Yeah. If Ben Johnson

1186
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: takes over the I think there's a fifty to fifty

1187
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: chance it's an all time flame out, yep, because you

1188
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: just don't overcome it. And like you said, you watch

1189
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: his personality, watch the way he carries himself. The toughness

1190
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: of the team is built through Dan Campbell and the

1191
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: drafting and he's done a good job with schemes in

1192
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: the place. He's a brilliant play caller. We have seen

1193
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: Pat Schrmer, remember him on the Minnesota Vikings the year

1194
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: with a case Keenum. It's like, this guy's a brilliant

1195
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: play caller, and then he becomes a head coach for

1196
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: the second time. It's the same thing, a disaster. Not

1197
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: everyone has meant for that role, and most guys are not.

1198
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: Just like in life, like the older you get kind

1199
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: of I try to look at myself like what do

1200
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: I want to do, where do I want to go?

1201
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: What are my strengths and weaknesses? And the best part

1202
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: about the NFL if you're a number two your whole life,

1203
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: it pays you five million dollars a year to be

1204
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator and listen to someone's gonna pay him

1205
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen million dollars trip. I get it, and

1206
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: he's it sure feels like it. But two years ago,

1207
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: rumors that I had heard was he was scared to

1208
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: he thought he was overwhelmed, so he didn't even really

1209
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: entertain it. Last year was pretty embarrassing. I mean, the

1210
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: Washington football team clearly not your old Dan Snider operation.

1211
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: Pretty high level group was flying in a private jet

1212
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: to come talk to him, and he called them on

1213
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: the flight to say, hey, I'm out. Pretty low level

1214
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: thing like that feels like something that no one Pete Carroll,

1215
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: Mike vveriebel are doing that, even if they're going to

1216
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: go in a different direction the way he handled it.

1217
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: And I just think you hire these coordinators everyone thinks

1218
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: you're getting the next Kyle or McVeigh. Mcveigh's a good example,

1219
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: like he's really built more like Tomlin and Kyle really

1220
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: is built like more like the whiz kid. But Kyle

1221
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: is kind of like this old school hard ass, like

1222
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: keeps everyone on their toes. I mean, he's miked and

1223
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: he's got video cameras in every room. Like everyone's kind

1224
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: of on edge in that building because he look at him.

1225
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: He's high stressed. He's just he's an intense he's kind

1226
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: of a dick, which is a compliment sometimes for football coaches.

1227
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: And he's built up the equity now people know he

1228
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing, so he can ride guys in

1229
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: the building. I think it's hard for a young coordinator

1230
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: who's never had any success outside of being a coordinator.

1231
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: If things don't go right early. And the other thing

1232
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: is the you know, the elephant in the room with

1233
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: the Bears is like this Caleb Williams situation is like

1234
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: there's so much pressure on making him good. Let's just

1235
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: say there's a chance. I mean, his history would say

1236
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: that five out of the five guys in the draft

1237
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: are not gonna become like ten year starters, right, some

1238
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: of them are gonna miss.

1239
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: Well.

1240
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: You wouldn't bet against Jayden at this point, and with

1241
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, as long as he's the head coach, you're

1242
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: not gonna bet against bone Nicks. Maybe I'm one of

1243
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: the only high guys on Michael Penix. Like the way

1244
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix plays translates to the NFL. Caleb the holding

1245
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: onto the ball. Some coaches will tell you, your boy,

1246
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: Sean Payton will tell you too, that's something that you

1247
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: can't always coach out. Yeah, and it is, you know,

1248
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: for all the things that we want. The offensive line

1249
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: is not Cayleb's fault, but the holding onto the ball

1250
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: for way too, that was something Russell always battled. But

1251
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: Russell was I don't know. Their defense was a lot better.

1252
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: He had Pete Carroll. Their infrastructure was better, so they

1253
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: could kind of coach around it, but they always butted

1254
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: heads over that. It's like Russell let it go, but

1255
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: he became a star playing that way. Not many guys

1256
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: can play like that and consistently. Deshaun Watson for a

1257
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: brief moment played like that. Yeah, and then it unraveled

1258
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: because most coaches go play within the offense and they

1259
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: just don't want it. And Caleb, I think, struggles with

1260
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: that a little bit. It's why I pushed back sometimes

1261
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: this year on the Caleb, like, well, some of these throws, well, yeah,

1262
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: he's down thirty to seven, so he just made a

1263
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: couple of throws. Who cares? That's I wonder if that

1264
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: job as much as the administration, that Kevin larn thing.

1265
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: If the Caleb, Yeah, he's like this ball of clay,

1266
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: but is he really a ball of player? Some of

1267
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: those the way that he plays going to be always

1268
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: the way he plays, and that holding onto the ball,

1269
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, accuracy I think is something we've seen, like

1270
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Speaker 2: you can't improve a little bit. Especially in this modern

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: day NFL guys are a little more open. There's no

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Speaker 2: John Lynch's and at Water's killing people, So you can

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Speaker 2: you can be a little more inaccurate still complete balls.

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Speaker 2: I do think the like the feel in the pocket

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Speaker 2: of holding that ball. Some guys just do it for

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Speaker 2: whatever and some guys just have a knack to get

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Speaker 2: rid of it. I mean, that's one reason Kyle loves Purty.

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Speaker 2: You know, now it's going to the other team sometimes,

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Speaker 2: but he will get rid of the football. You watch

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Speaker 2: Caleb throw the ball, and Russell used to take a

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Speaker 2: lot of sacks. Remember the offensive line used to get crushed.

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Speaker 2: And you'd hear people in the NFL so like, yeah,

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01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: the offensive line, half those sacks are on him. Naturally

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01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: would always tell you It's like it wasn't always on

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Speaker 2: the offensive line, but they always got shit on.

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Speaker 1: For yeah, Peyton. That's one of the reasons, the primary reasons.

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Speaker 1: It was a personality clash in Russell Wilson's inability to

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Speaker 1: let go of the ball on Denver. Okay, obviously, Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame George has been pushed back a day because of

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Speaker 1: that unspeakable tragedy in New Orleans between a madman, because

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Speaker 1: of a madman driving a car full speed. I just

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Speaker 1: saw the video. I watched it once and that was

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Speaker 1: enough of somebody driving full speed into a crowd of

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Speaker 1: fifteen dead at this time. Again, just incredibly unspeakable college

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Speaker 1: football fans down in you know what has always been

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Speaker 1: sort of an outdoor city in the winter, you go outdoors,

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Speaker 1: you're in the streets, Bourbon Street. So just a grotesque tragedy.

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Speaker 1: And so that game has been moved. I like Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how strong I feel about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't after watching Ohio State dismantled Oregon in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: I think the only strong opinion I have is Ohio

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Speaker 1: State is the best balance of talent and coaching right now.

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Speaker 1: And I also think i'm I'm I am happy for

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Speaker 1: Ohio State because I think everybody thought Ryan Day was

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Speaker 1: a good coach. But you know, good coaches have bad

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Speaker 1: saturdays and Sundays.

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Speaker 2: I mean they do.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, like people have. I've had bad shows. You

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: know you as a scout, you probably missed them. A player.

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Speaker 1: Politicians have bad speeches. Ryan Day had a bad day

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Speaker 1: coaching against Michigan, and he has had two great days

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Speaker 1: coaching against Tennessee and an Oregon, and I'm happy for him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if he wins the national Championship, people

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Speaker 2: will forget about the four lossesits Michigan pretty quickly. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 2: and let's hope this game. I mean, obviously, like you said,

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Speaker 2: you wake up to that news, you have to wonder

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01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: if the administrations from Notre Dame and Georgia are a

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01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: little uneasy, you know, you use some of the bombs

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Speaker 2: and stuff about even how can anyone guarantee the safety

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01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: of everybody? I was honestly like, would they move this game?

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Speaker 2: It becomes so difficult logistically. Just hope it gets played

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Speaker 2: and everyone could stay safe, because I know if I

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Speaker 2: was going to the game, I'd be a little I'd

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Speaker 2: be hesitant at this point. I mean, I've I've only

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Speaker 2: been to Bourbon Street one time when I was in college.

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Speaker 2: It is not very wide. You know. This isn't the

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Speaker 2: Vegas Strip where there's just a lot of room. This

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Speaker 2: is a pretty tight quarter where you would be a

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Speaker 2: sitting duck. And I'm with you. I watched that video.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those you just turn off your phone.

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01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: You just you just can't even fathom where you witnessed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now there's gonna be obviously, your news organizations are

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Speaker 1: gonna have more, So I'm not gonna speculate. I saw

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Speaker 1: a picture of the guy. He was an army that

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Speaker 1: born in Texas. That's what we know.

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Speaker 2: But think about you got you got New Year's Eve

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Speaker 2: with this game the next night. The amount of alumni

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Speaker 2: from places like Notre Dame in Georgia, the amount of

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Speaker 2: people that would be there, naturally, it's got to be

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Speaker 2: one the most popular nights on Bourbon Street. It's just

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Speaker 2: just beyond awful. It is.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout, a special Wednesday podcast over

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Speaker 1: an hour. What a pleasure, what a treat. Congrats to Texas,

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and Penn State. And let's get ready for

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Georgia tomorrow. Good talking to you about.

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Speaker 2: See you Colin

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Speaker 1: The volume