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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Mercedes Men, It's is Dan Patrite, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the program. It's hour two on this Wednesday Dan
Speaker 1: and The Danis Dan Patrick Show. I spent the entire
Speaker 1: first hour talking way too much about the Astros. We
Speaker 1: even spend some time talking about the Orioles. And I
Speaker 1: forgot to tell you or made time for my dream list.
Speaker 1: I woke up from this dream last night. I had
Speaker 1: a dream that I was with pat Riley and I
Speaker 1: asked him the question what was better basketball in his opinion?
Speaker 1: The Showtime Lakers in the eighties, his Knicks in the nineties,
Speaker 1: or the Miami Heat now like, what is considered better basketball?
Speaker 1: And I was just curious what he would say because
Speaker 1: he was part of, you know, the explosion of fast
Speaker 1: breaking fun time Showtime with Magic and Company. To then
Speaker 1: it was Greco Roman wrestling, where the Cabs in the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks were threatening to ruin basketball with the
Speaker 1: way they played. To now you have Miami Heat and
Speaker 1: their style, and maybe it's not the Miami Heat, but
Speaker 1: just basketball in general now because I think at some
Speaker 1: point somebody is going to go be counterintuitive to everybody
Speaker 1: shooting threes. The Rockets are going small ball. Now, the
Speaker 1: Rockets are going to have a problem when they go
Speaker 1: up against the team that's got a rim protector. Now
Speaker 1: they want Last night they beat Boston, they had Harden
Speaker 1: and Westbrook they combined for seventy eight. This doesn't mean
Speaker 1: anything to me. Now they're exploring this now to workshop
Speaker 1: this to get to the postseason. Because everything that has
Speaker 1: to do with the Rockets and James Harden is what
Speaker 1: about the postseason? You're going to get a matchup that's
Speaker 1: not going to be favorable to you. And I do
Speaker 1: think you're going to have teams that go, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's go big. Because the Clippers don't have a rim protector,
Speaker 1: and that was obvious last night playing against the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers Joe lmb, Ben Simmons. They were able to
Speaker 1: do what they wanted. And the Clippers is going to
Speaker 1: run into this, certainly with the Lakers Lebron and Anthony Davis,
Speaker 1: that is going to be a big issue. Dwight Howard,
Speaker 1: that will be an issue, big issue, no pun intended,
Speaker 1: But some of these teams, if we looked at what
Speaker 1: a typical big man was fifteen or twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: you'd have a lot of guys with their back backs
Speaker 1: to the basket. Now you have the bigs who can
Speaker 1: run and they can shoot threes, but your still think
Speaker 1: there's a room. Like James Wiseman, the Memphis kid who
Speaker 1: eventually he got suspended and then eventually said I'm going
Speaker 1: to prepare for the NBA. He might be the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick. I don't know if he can play
Speaker 1: in today's NBA game. The style that you want your
Speaker 1: big man. Unless you're gonna say, let's say your Golden
Speaker 1: State and you end up with James Wiseman, what do
Speaker 1: you do with him? You still have to have a
Speaker 1: rim protector in my opinion, you know, That's what I
Speaker 1: was looking at with Clint Capella, because I thought the
Speaker 1: Rockets you'd still use Clint Capella because he helped on defense.
Speaker 1: And how many times you see Harden or Westbrook go
Speaker 1: to the hoop and just throw it up Ali hoop
Speaker 1: to him. But somebody, at some point, It's the same
Speaker 1: thing I said about running the football. Somebody's eventually gonna go,
Speaker 1: this isn't all wide open football. Here Derrick Henry and
Speaker 1: the Titans proved it's not all wide open football. Not
Speaker 1: everybody has that Derrick Henry there, the Ravens, you know,
Speaker 1: it may have felt wide open, but that was a
Speaker 1: running team, runs first past second ingram Lamar Jackson. So
Speaker 1: if I can't out Mahomes Mahomes, it's just like trying
Speaker 1: to beat Golden State at their own game. You can't
Speaker 1: do that. When everybody was healthy. You couldn't beat them
Speaker 1: at what they were doing. That's where you have to be.
Speaker 1: You have to be different. The Rockets, I given credit.
Speaker 1: They're trying to be different because they can't be sizewise
Speaker 1: competing with the Lakers, and if Golden State was still
Speaker 1: Golden State, they wouldn't be able to compete with them.
Speaker 1: They're doing something different, and I applaud them for that.
Speaker 1: Take a chance, because you've got a coach whose job
Speaker 1: is riding on this, and James Harden's reputation rides on
Speaker 1: this as well, because he might be one of the
Speaker 1: fascinating great scores of all time and nothing to show for.
Speaker 1: But I think that this is a nice chemistry project
Speaker 1: here that you have down in your lab. Yeah, poet,
Speaker 1: And what you're saying about the three pointer and the
Speaker 1: big man not having a role a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: it's just two years ago. Twenty eighteen drafts DeAndre eight
Speaker 1: and out of Arizona, great, really good big man. He's
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, he's everaging nineteen and twelve. He's
Speaker 1: right on course to be a dominant big men in
Speaker 1: our league. He does not shoot threes whatsoever. If you
Speaker 1: redrafted that draft DeAndre Ayton he went first, Marvin Begley second,
Speaker 1: Luca don Chick and Trey Young. Don Chick and Young
Speaker 1: would go one two, right, Yeah, completely, without no doubt
Speaker 1: over DeAndre Ayton, who is a very good center. Yea.
Speaker 1: And in the older days, you know, fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: DeAndre eight and you'd be like salivating that you got
Speaker 1: a guy that was that big, that talented, could run
Speaker 1: the floor. Now it's just different. And that's where I
Speaker 1: had this dream about pat Riley and I thought, man,
Speaker 1: that show Time Lakers. Everybody ran back then, because even
Speaker 1: when they faced the Celtics, like Bird McHale, they all ran, Parish,
Speaker 1: they all ran. But you weren't shooting threes. If you
Speaker 1: were shooting threes, you wouldn't have that ton of Showtime Lakers.
Speaker 1: It just would be a different game there. What if
Speaker 1: we said for one year the NBA was getting rid
Speaker 1: of the three point shot? Would basketball be better or worse?
Speaker 1: Which team would be favored to win without a three
Speaker 1: point shot? Right now? If you just looked at the
Speaker 1: rosters and you can't have three point shooting? Is it
Speaker 1: mclovin's Milwaukee Bucks? Oh? I, it's tough to keep track
Speaker 1: of your team. The Bucks love the three. They they
Speaker 1: shoot a time. The Sixers can't shoot it well, and
Speaker 1: that's the only thing they can't do. Wouldn't that be
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons would be the happiest guy in the league. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I'd be curious about that. Now, basketball wouldn't be better
Speaker 1: in my opinion because I love when you see scoring.
Speaker 1: I hate when you had you know, hand checking there
Speaker 1: was really really physical. Basketball is not meant to be
Speaker 1: played that way. It was like when hockey went into
Speaker 1: the shell game, like the Devils nearly ruined hockey with
Speaker 1: They'd get up one goal and then they'd go into
Speaker 1: their defensive shell and it just wasn't a fun If
Speaker 1: you want to see great at leats, you want to
Speaker 1: see him play, and you know, I look at these
Speaker 1: teams now and the movement that they have. But I
Speaker 1: wonder if we get to the point where do we
Speaker 1: change the court dimensions? Do you widen the court at
Speaker 1: some point because you have guys who have so much
Speaker 1: range and you have big guys who have range. Does
Speaker 1: basketball change the height of the rim first? Or the
Speaker 1: dimensions of the court, because I wonder if you if
Speaker 1: you widen that by five feet on both the width
Speaker 1: of it, I wonder about that. You want the fluidity
Speaker 1: of the game. Do you want flow in there? And movement?
Speaker 1: And that's what I love. It's not a two man
Speaker 1: game the way it used to be. It's like inside out.
Speaker 1: I'm a throat in and all right, I may kick
Speaker 1: it back out if not, I'll back down, back down,
Speaker 1: back down, And then you know that's not exciting basketball.
Speaker 1: I like when there's movement. I like when great shooters
Speaker 1: are rewarded, and you know, you get guys who can
Speaker 1: play some defense when they need to. Because that's all
Speaker 1: of this stuff is just window a dressing. All of
Speaker 1: this regular season stuff doesn't mean anything to me. The
Speaker 1: only team it means something too is the Rockets because
Speaker 1: they're trying something revolutionary. All it is is you get
Speaker 1: to the postseason, and how do you match up against
Speaker 1: that team? How do you match up half court offense,
Speaker 1: how do you match up depth, size, coaching your star
Speaker 1: player there star place. I mean, that's what it comes
Speaker 1: down to. Then the chest match missus checkers. It doesn't matter, man,
Speaker 1: it does in the bigger picture, it doesn't seating. Okay,
Speaker 1: if Milwaukee's two instead of one, does it really matter?
Speaker 1: Probably not. If the Lakers are two instead of one,
Speaker 1: does it really matter? Probably not. But you know, seeing
Speaker 1: what's happening in the NBA, and I just thought of
Speaker 1: pat Riley, and I was wondering, what would he say
Speaker 1: was great basketball? He didn't answer me. In the dream,
Speaker 1: by the way, look great, he looked great. But I'm
Speaker 1: going to guess that he would talk about the Showtime
Speaker 1: Lakers as great basketball because that team and that was
Speaker 1: something that was branded that was different than what we
Speaker 1: had ever seen Showtime Lakers. Because the Showtime Lakers could
Speaker 1: still be the Showtime Lakers, they would they would take
Speaker 1: more shots, they'd take more threes. Like, you can't look
Speaker 1: at what was happening in the nineties. You know that
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. It just was aesthetically wasn't pleasing.
Speaker 1: Today's NBA, it feels like it's two, you know, three
Speaker 1: point driven. They've scored a lot of points, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have great shooters out there. Yeah, mclove,
Speaker 1: I don't like the offensive I don't like the foul
Speaker 1: calls the game. The way they call Harden has really
Speaker 1: made the game ugly. And he's setting the record for
Speaker 1: most free throws that year. Yeah, but you can go
Speaker 1: back to when burd and Jordan played. That was nothing
Speaker 1: like the Pardons twice. But he but because he shoots
Speaker 1: more than anybody, he has the ball more than anybody.
Speaker 1: But Trey Young's trying to do the same thing. He's
Speaker 1: trying to get fifteen game too. They just call the
Speaker 1: tick that calls outside I know. I mean, they're taking
Speaker 1: advantage of the rules. There were games that I would
Speaker 1: go to and and all of a sudden, you'd go
Speaker 1: somebody like Jordan would go through the lane and you
Speaker 1: just hear a whistle and you knew somebody was going
Speaker 1: to get called for it. And they that didn't mean
Speaker 1: that they fouled Jordan. It was just gonna call whistle bird.
Speaker 1: Now I got somebody fouled him. So we had, you know,
Speaker 1: those phantom whistles back then. But nowadays, these guys understand
Speaker 1: I can create contact with you, and that's what Harden
Speaker 1: does better than anybody. I create that contact in the
Speaker 1: shooting motion and I'm going to shoot free throws. I
Speaker 1: don't like it, but he's taken advantage of the rules.
Speaker 1: Yeahple James Harden is averaging twelve free throw attempts per game.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, age twenty three, when he average thirty seven
Speaker 1: points per game, average twelve free throw attempts per game
Speaker 1: most of his career. Jordan got a lot of phantom
Speaker 1: calls there too, which I never understood. Why do we
Speaker 1: give the great players even more latitude? When it comes
Speaker 1: to think they've fouled you. I've always think it's the
Speaker 1: guy who isn't very good who needs a little bit
Speaker 1: of help. There all right? Eight seven seven three d
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Speaker 1: talking about the astros. The owner wants to have a
Speaker 1: meeting with everybody. They want to have a scandal strategy
Speaker 1: here do you just not say anything? I would just
Speaker 1: say it once. I would throw myself on the mercy
Speaker 1: of the court of public opinion. And you take the
Speaker 1: questions and then you just say we've answered those questions.
Speaker 1: Because this if you don't answer it now, it's going
Speaker 1: to continue the entire season. If you can make it
Speaker 1: a one day story, make it a one day story,
Speaker 1: Lakers Nuggets coming up tonight. If you cover the NFL,
Speaker 1: there's a fine line between free agency analysis and free
Speaker 1: agency which we're thinking and this spring could be a
Speaker 1: lot more fun. If Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott we're all maybe you thinking about playing for another team,
Speaker 1: and it could happen. But there's a great chance that
Speaker 1: free agency will be a dut Maybe Tom Brady stays
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, Drew Brees stays with the Saints, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have some clarity here and realized that Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is their quarterback. You know, maybe the Patriots and
Speaker 1: Brady want to explore life without one another, but there's
Speaker 1: also the logic of keeping that same team together. And
Speaker 1: I feel that with the Saints and Drew Brees. Really
Speaker 1: that's just about Drew Brees. Does he want to play
Speaker 1: another year? The Cowboys with Dak Prescott fascinates me. And
Speaker 1: I know that this is media driven, because this is
Speaker 1: wishful thinking on the media. Oh my god. You and
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin put this out where he said that he
Speaker 1: had been told not play somebody with the Cowboys, that hey,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will be interested in Tom Brady. I think
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Michael may have gotten that from somebody. And
Speaker 1: Jerry loves, you know, shiny objects. Aaron would love to
Speaker 1: have Tom Brady in a Cowboy uniform. This is a
Speaker 1: forty three year old Tom Brady. I got Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Tom Brady is not Tom Brady. I know
Speaker 1: it's hard to hear that, but that is the reality
Speaker 1: of this. Tom Brady didn't play well in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl they won that. He did not play well in
Speaker 1: the postseason, didn't play well in the last part of
Speaker 1: the regular season. I know we can talk about he
Speaker 1: didn't have weapons there. He didn't play well. He's not
Speaker 1: the same. Brett Farve came out and said he seems
Speaker 1: like the same Tom Brady, which is crazy for Brett
Speaker 1: to say that. This isn't Brady who was the MVP.
Speaker 1: This isn't Brady who wanted you know, went to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and through for five hundred yards in that
Speaker 1: loss of ego. He's just not the same player. It's
Speaker 1: finally caught up to him. For everybody that feels like,
Speaker 1: oh God, Cowboys only had Tom Brady, I will give
Speaker 1: you this. If Tom Brady was with the Niner, then
Speaker 1: maybe we could have that conversation. They would have won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Okay for one game, and we're really
Speaker 1: talking about three or four passes there, because Garoppolo could
Speaker 1: have won that Super Bowl. And by the way, here's
Speaker 1: another thing. You know who gets blamed Jimmy g and
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, their defensive coordinator, Robert Salah. Why didn't he
Speaker 1: get blamed. You gave up three touchdowns in seven minutes. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's all on Jimmy g and Kyle Shanahan. But I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys, I don't think that that's a real story.
Speaker 1: I think it's media driven there, and maybe maybe because
Speaker 1: I can't rule out Jerry Jones in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that there's any I think they're
Speaker 1: trying to create leverage, leverage with Dak Prescott. I would
Speaker 1: franchise Dak Prescott, and then I would I would decide
Speaker 1: is he our quarterback? Because I'm not paying him for
Speaker 1: forty million dollars, But what are your other options here?
Speaker 1: You either sign him to a long term deal, which
Speaker 1: I think they are. It feels like that I would
Speaker 1: sign him to a one year deal, and then I
Speaker 1: might explore trade talks and then maybe you bring in
Speaker 1: somebody who can be your quarterbacks for the next year
Speaker 1: or two years. If you're not sold on Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: at that price tag, then I would start looking for
Speaker 1: plan B. And Plan B would not be Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Chargers need Tom Brady. Dallas does not need Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Yeah, club, let me throw us a plan
Speaker 1: B to you. How about Cam Newton. I don't know
Speaker 1: his health because now his owners said David Tepper, Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know how healthy is. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are going to get cut. A lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are probably Andy Dalton's probably gonna get cut, right,
Speaker 1: I would think Cam Newton probably gonna get cut. Although
Speaker 1: Cam at nineteen million dollars, if he's anywhere near healthy, Hell, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I bring him in for a one year like a Bridgewater.
Speaker 1: Maybe Teddy Bridgewater is a better decision than Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: That's hot. It just is right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Jerry things like that, because like, no, I know that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I can't rule out Jerry's thinking that
Speaker 1: really didn't catch on or hot takes you know what.
Speaker 1: I actually that whole weekend that tweeted to me, oh
Speaker 1: did you oh yeah, yeah a dozen times. So so
Speaker 1: when I say Taysom Hill is crazy, he's not a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, which Taysom Hill did say. Taysom Hill had
Speaker 1: this to say about how the Saints view him. He's
Speaker 1: the Saints all purpose player. Do I want to leave
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is no, I don't. But
Speaker 1: as you look at free agency, you have to find,
Speaker 1: you know, the right opportunity for you, if you have
Speaker 1: to find this the situation to take care of your
Speaker 1: family to you know, I want to play quarterback in
Speaker 1: this league, and if New Orleans don't view me that way,
Speaker 1: well then I have to leave. Okay, I don't want
Speaker 1: my franchise quarterback at age thirty and he hasn't thrown
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass in the NFL. He's a wonderful talent,
Speaker 1: but I think he wants that money, that franchise quarterback money.
Speaker 1: But I'm not paying a franchise quarterback money. I'm like,
Speaker 1: can I pay him twenty seven million dollars a year?
Speaker 1: Answers No. I mean it's easier to complete passage than
Speaker 1: it's ever been in the NFL. But unless, and if
Speaker 1: you say, Drew Brees is retiring and Teddy Bridgewater is
Speaker 1: going to leave, then you take Tastom Hill. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure Sean Payton would love that. But if Drew Brees
Speaker 1: is going to retire, I keep Teddy Bridgewater before I
Speaker 1: do tast Him Hill. We loved Taysom Hill because of
Speaker 1: the possibility there. Oh my god, look at he does everything.
Speaker 1: He's the Army nine, the Swiss Army knighte. He can
Speaker 1: do it all. Okay? Can he pass? Like that's what
Speaker 1: that would help at that position? All right? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just small thing, like I nitpicked, but I just want
Speaker 1: to know, can you hey, can you pass? Yeah? Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill was an undrafted free agent who New Orleans gave
Speaker 1: a chance to play a bunch of positions, and they
Speaker 1: kind of made him into this all purpose weapon. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much bargaining power he has on a
Speaker 1: free agent market at the position of quarterback because he
Speaker 1: doesn't throw passes for a living and hasn't since. I
Speaker 1: can't take it. I can't take a risk on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Saints are so close to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Who gets you closer to the super Bowl? To me,
Speaker 1: it's Teddy Bridgewater. If Drew doesn't come back, it's Teddy Ridgewater.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys need to resign Dak Prescott if you don't
Speaker 1: think he's long term. I would look at what you
Speaker 1: could get for Dak Prescott. Let's say you signing for
Speaker 1: a one year deal. You franchise him, and that's going
Speaker 1: to cost you what mclovinan I think, yes, hell, yes,
Speaker 1: I do that right now. One year might be a
Speaker 1: little higher. Now, let's say it's twenty seven million, all right,
Speaker 1: that's a whole lot better than forty million for the
Speaker 1: next five years, and that he's gonna want close to
Speaker 1: forty million dollars and he's not worth it, but he's
Speaker 1: worth keeping for one more year. The only the way
Speaker 1: to win him. So you look at these teams. It's
Speaker 1: rare when you're winning, when your quarterback takes the max,
Speaker 1: when you have to spend all that money. And if
Speaker 1: you know you're able to get somebody and get somebody
Speaker 1: on the cheap, and they're ready to play it right now,
Speaker 1: then great. But that's that's not the case here. Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna cost you. I could get two number ones for
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and probably a third I could get. I
Speaker 1: could get two first and a third for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: I could send him to the Chargers right now. I
Speaker 1: franchise him. I sent him to the Charges. Why would
Speaker 1: the Charges give two first rounders to pay Dak if
Speaker 1: they could have Tom Brady? Would they? Really? I would
Speaker 1: rather have Dad. Tom Brady's gonna play one more year
Speaker 1: at the most, probably but the only reason I said,
Speaker 1: you just said you can't pay a quarterback big money
Speaker 1: and win at the biggest level. So the Chargers are
Speaker 1: immediately gonna be saddled with that big money and have
Speaker 1: no chance. I'm saying that you could probably trade him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it because if I'm the Chargers, then
Speaker 1: I want to try to take a chance on one
Speaker 1: of these. You know, these rookies. I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl history and you now that there are nothing
Speaker 1: but rookie deals and Tom Brady on here. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Brady took a team discount here. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: secret here. That's how you build a team like Seattle's
Speaker 1: dynasty ended after three years. They had two super Bowl
Speaker 1: appearances and then it was over because now you have
Speaker 1: to pay Russell Wilson's junior the third and then you
Speaker 1: lost players love. Yeah, I'm looking these quarterbacks. You had
Speaker 1: Mahomes this year, golf last year, wentz year before, even
Speaker 1: though it's Foles. And that's why I wonder about a
Speaker 1: Chief's dynasty that everybody's talking about. Mahomes is going to
Speaker 1: cost you forty million dollars. Cam Newton the Panthers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was selling his rookie deal when they
Speaker 1: got to the degree. You're exactly right. He is the
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Speaker 1: but yeah close. I'd like to know if Baseball knew
Speaker 1: what we're finding out now, would they have reacted differently
Speaker 1: because they told the players you got total immunity here
Speaker 1: and players took advantage of that and came forward, squealed
Speaker 1: on some people, and then some people lost their jobs
Speaker 1: and the Astros got punished here. But uh, look, baseball
Speaker 1: is to live with this, not me, and these players
Speaker 1: have to live with this. You want to put an
Speaker 1: asterist there, whether it's a permanent or you know, indelible. Fine,
Speaker 1: I'm good with that, all right? Eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email under step at dan Patrick dot com.
Speaker 1: He's one of the great Houston Oilers of all time,
Speaker 1: the forty fourth overall pick in the nineteen eighty two draft,
Speaker 1: and of course a legend at West Virginia. He is
Speaker 1: the XFL commissioner Oliver Lock, who joins us on the program.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Commissioner, Van, how are you. I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: If you could pick out one moment of your professional
Speaker 1: playing career, what would it be. My best moment came
Speaker 1: early in my career. Was my first NFL start for
Speaker 1: the Oilers, and we were It was nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 1: he was right after that eighty two strikes shortened year.
Speaker 1: We played the Detroit Lions led by Eric Hippel and
Speaker 1: Billy Simms, and we broke a relatively long losing Street
Speaker 1: because my first start in first win for the Oilers
Speaker 1: that season, So that sticks out downhill from there. How
Speaker 1: long did you last in the NFL? I spend five seasons. Okay,
Speaker 1: I probably could have played a six or seventh. I
Speaker 1: was backing up Warren Moon, and I could have played
Speaker 1: a six or a seventh, but I had gone. I
Speaker 1: was going to law school in the off season, and
Speaker 1: I realized that my calling was going to be not
Speaker 1: on the field, but you know, outside of the field.
Speaker 1: And here you are as the XFL commissioner, I think,
Speaker 1: by all accounts a successful debut for the league. What
Speaker 1: is the goal as the commissioner of the XFL for
Speaker 1: this league? Our goal really is pretty simple. We want
Speaker 1: to stay in the spring, offer high quality, up tempo
Speaker 1: football in the spring, you know, sort of let folks
Speaker 1: get to know us and understand us, build our own brand,
Speaker 1: build our own sort of standalone sustainable teams, and just
Speaker 1: offer good football. I mean, it's it's not that complicated. Obviously,
Speaker 1: football's America's most popular sport. But of course the spring
Speaker 1: is the season and traditionally in which there hasn't been
Speaker 1: much live football. So that's really our goal. Relatively straightforward
Speaker 1: played with football in the spring. How important is a
Speaker 1: partnership with the NFL. Well, you know, we don't have
Speaker 1: a formal relationship with the NFL, but as you could imagine, well,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I mean, we've got all the respect in
Speaker 1: the world for the NFL, and we've got a million
Speaker 1: touch points with the NFL, But I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: that that's an endgame for Vince McMahon, our owner, his instructions,
Speaker 1: his guidance to me is, hey, Oliver, build a sustainable,
Speaker 1: standalone league with our own brands, and you know, we'll
Speaker 1: respect the NFL. The NFL determines a lot of the
Speaker 1: sort of things about the ecosystem of professional football, so
Speaker 1: we have to live within that ecosystem. But and we
Speaker 1: want to have obviously positive relationships, which we do, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's that that's part of the endgame necessarily.
Speaker 1: What about going after college talent like the USFL did,
Speaker 1: So you know, we're not subject to the NFL's requirement
Speaker 1: of three years out of high school that's baked in
Speaker 1: the CBA. We're not a party to that. We do
Speaker 1: have the ability to go and sign a college freshman
Speaker 1: or a sophomore. There's only one player right now in
Speaker 1: our league, a guy named Kenny Robinson who ironically went
Speaker 1: to my him a modern West Virginia. He's got college
Speaker 1: or had college eligibility remaining. He only played two years
Speaker 1: of college ball and then decided that he wanted to
Speaker 1: play in our league. And he's basically dan using this season.
Speaker 1: He's playing for Jonathan Hayes in Saint Louis. He's using
Speaker 1: this season as a personal combine, right instead of going
Speaker 1: to the combine and doing the drills. He has said,
Speaker 1: I need to play, I need to get more tape,
Speaker 1: I need to play ten games or eleven games against
Speaker 1: good competition. And he's doing very well. A lot of
Speaker 1: scouts anticipate him being a first second round draft choice.
Speaker 1: So we haven't really dipped our toe into that particular pond,
Speaker 1: but we certainly could in the future. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm wondering. I know Trevor Lawrence is out of your
Speaker 1: price range, but let's say you had a quarter or
Speaker 1: it's Trevor Lawrence out of your price range. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I know what his price range. But let's say
Speaker 1: a freshman quarterback played well and doesn't want to you know,
Speaker 1: he's got to stay for two more years. Can you
Speaker 1: see that? That would be sort of the gateway that's
Speaker 1: open here where somebody could say, instead of playing in college,
Speaker 1: I can go and make this my own combine, or
Speaker 1: I can go in and get paid by the XFL
Speaker 1: year or two years earlier. That that's a distinct possibility.
Speaker 1: You know, there's about ten thousand Division one college football
Speaker 1: players and there are lots of you know, challenges that
Speaker 1: those young men are facing. So I could see where
Speaker 1: a guy plays a year or maybe even you know,
Speaker 1: two years and says I need to make some money.
Speaker 1: I've got to support a family, or you know, we've
Speaker 1: got to know illness in the family or whatever, or
Speaker 1: you know, academically, I'm not interested in college. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many different stories. The key thing for us
Speaker 1: is this year we said to ourselves, let's get the best,
Speaker 1: you know, four hundred and fifty or so players we
Speaker 1: possibly can. And the typical background of that player is
Speaker 1: three or four years of college football, two or three
Speaker 1: four years of NFL football. I mean, we got former
Speaker 1: first round draft choices playing in the XFL. So you know,
Speaker 1: we have to make sure that a younger guy would
Speaker 1: be physically, emotionally, mentally mature enough to compete. The beauty
Speaker 1: of getting guys that are three or four years you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of the NFL, the beauty is they're professionals.
Speaker 1: They know how to act, they know how to respond.
Speaker 1: They bring a certain professionalism to the job. And that's
Speaker 1: you know, we have to make sure a college kid
Speaker 1: would be, you know, in that same category. He's the
Speaker 1: commissioner of the XFL. He's Oliver Luck. Fans can download
Speaker 1: play XFL app and by picking the games currently this
Speaker 1: week and you do that correctly, you can win up
Speaker 1: to five hundred thousand dollars. It's available in both the
Speaker 1: App Store and Google Play. I'm officially a LA Wildcat,
Speaker 1: lifelong LA Wildcat fan. Well, I'll tell you my favorite
Speaker 1: moment this past week, and I was in DC for
Speaker 1: the DC Defenders Seattle Dragons game. Cardial Jones through a
Speaker 1: couple of nights balls early in the first quarter, you know,
Speaker 1: in the almost twenty thousand fans, they're broke out in
Speaker 1: an MVP chan. We laughed about that. It's awesome as
Speaker 1: these guys, these fans sort of create their own little environment,
Speaker 1: you know, and obviously we're brand new, and so that's
Speaker 1: that's been a really fun part to watch as the
Speaker 1: fans begin to fill these brands with energy in their
Speaker 1: own little stories. Would your son think of the XFL.
Speaker 1: He's been pretty upbeat. He's been a little bit of
Speaker 1: a sounding board for me. As you suspect, he knows
Speaker 1: virtually all the players in the league, so he's given
Speaker 1: me some tips about certainly about some of the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that we went out and signed. You know, he's friendly
Speaker 1: with guys like Landry Jones and Josh Johnson and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows Cardale, but the Philip
Speaker 1: Walker p J. Walker, who's down in Houston Plant very well.
Speaker 1: He was on the Colt's practice squad for a couple years.
Speaker 1: So he's given me some good advice. Does Andrew Needa
Speaker 1: John No, he doesn't thank you for asking. He say
Speaker 1: he's mister mom right now. They he and his wife
Speaker 1: had their first child about three months ago, so he's
Speaker 1: doing a lot of baby sitting. He disappeared. How surprising
Speaker 1: it I think, I mean, I know he's different, Oliver,
Speaker 1: but like maybe it doesn't surprise you. I think people
Speaker 1: kept saying, oh, he's got to come back, and I go,
Speaker 1: why would he come back to the sport that put
Speaker 1: him in this mindset of I'm going to walk away
Speaker 1: from this and there's something else to life then football.
Speaker 1: The media and fans wanted him back. I mean, he
Speaker 1: had he had the smart assessment in my opinion, but
Speaker 1: he just disappeared. That's remarkable for an athlete. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's one of these millennials that isn't involved with social media,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's still I guess there's still a
Speaker 1: handful of those guys out there, and you know, as
Speaker 1: a result, it was really very easy for him to,
Speaker 1: you know, just to get out of the spotlight and
Speaker 1: live his own life. You know, I really admired Dan
Speaker 1: anybody who's played in the league who leaves on his
Speaker 1: own terms. Right, So watching Luke Keekley for example, right,
Speaker 1: great career and great player, and I just I love
Speaker 1: it when a guy says I'm in control, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: walk away when I want to walk away. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to let the game determine when my career is over.
Speaker 1: Guys like me, we're told when we were done. But
Speaker 1: you know, I really admired that because that's that's taking control,
Speaker 1: and it's also taking control of your post playing future,
Speaker 1: which is critical for a lot of guys. And they
Speaker 1: finally got an offensive line for him. That was my problem.
Speaker 1: I kept railing on the Colts, going, you're going to
Speaker 1: get this guy killed. Then you get a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: a good team, and then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: really the accumulation. I think of all those years where
Speaker 1: Andrew probably just said, I I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: If I can't be great, be healthy, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do it and walk away. Do you get that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did sort of lament to me that, you know,
Speaker 1: the Colts had such a good offense, you know, as
Speaker 1: he was working through his own issues. Chris Ballard has
Speaker 1: done an excellent job. That That is my you know
Speaker 1: GM of the Year. And it's a small market and
Speaker 1: you know they ended up kind of losing some gas
Speaker 1: towards the end of the season this year. But I
Speaker 1: think the world of Chris Ballad. He's he's one of
Speaker 1: the best. What is the new rule that you think
Speaker 1: the NFL is going to go? I think we like
Speaker 1: that or the you know, the element that the NFL
Speaker 1: will sample here. So the one I think that that
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. I've no idea what the NFL
Speaker 1: would do, But the one that makes the most sense,
Speaker 1: because the underlying rationale is solid, is our kickoff. Right,
Speaker 1: So you know, we tried to create a kickoff that
Speaker 1: gives us two things. One more kickoff returns. That's what
Speaker 1: fans want to see, right. They don't want to see
Speaker 1: the guy kicking the ball out of the end zone.
Speaker 1: That's not a great football play. They want to see
Speaker 1: a return. And the second reason is safety, you know,
Speaker 1: player safety that matters in today's world. So as as
Speaker 1: we developed our kickoff, you know, that underlying rationale was
Speaker 1: everything for us. All right, let's get more returns and
Speaker 1: we'll get virtually ninety five percent returns, you know, from
Speaker 1: our kickoffs, as opposed to the sort of thirty or
Speaker 1: thirty five percent in the NFL, and it's safer. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think anybody can argue with the
Speaker 1: underlying rationale. That's that's really the key. So all these
Speaker 1: rule innovations, we've got about a dozen or so that
Speaker 1: you know, that are where we differentiate ourselves from the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's all about the underlying rationale and I think that's
Speaker 1: that's where we started, and that's where I think anybody, Elise,
Speaker 1: including you know, the NFL and the Competition Committee would start.
Speaker 1: So who knows what the league will do. I can't
Speaker 1: speak in behalf of the National Football League, but we
Speaker 1: certainly like the innovations, and I think fans more or
Speaker 1: less have said that, hey, these are pretty good. These
Speaker 1: are smart. Good to talk to you, Oliver, and uh
Speaker 1: my best to the league and what you're doing in
Speaker 1: salo to Andrew for us, we'll do Thank you, Dan,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's Oliver Luck, the XFL commissioner, former player,
Speaker 1: father Andrew Luck. I almost asked Paulie to do his
Speaker 1: impersonation of Andrew Luck for his dad. Oliver Luck. Old
Speaker 1: man's doing great. These rights. Still got to flip the
Speaker 1: following the defender, so protect our country, DC defenders lightning ball.
Speaker 1: It's a coefficient of lightning and Jersey. Okay, who whose
Speaker 1: quarterback impression is better? Pauli's Andrew Luck, Fritzie's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: How that's when you you see how this works. I
Speaker 1: gotta give it to Polly think really good job. You know.
Speaker 1: It's great about both of them is that they both
Speaker 1: have things that neither one of the people actually do.
Speaker 1: Like Andrew Luck pretty much never goes true. He did,
Speaker 1: he did the he never goes Yeah, and and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: I don't think has ever gone at the end of
Speaker 1: the speaking Andy Reid and then Seaton's Red far do
Speaker 1: I think they's a better of course, course They're impressions
Speaker 1: are way better than Yeah. I think Paul's Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: is great. I don't want the chands, can watch the
Speaker 1: XFL USFL and FL. All right, we'll take a break here.
Speaker 1: Phone calls coming up next year the day I don't
Speaker 1: get a chan Oh, what do you do? Andy Dalton? No,
Speaker 1: k you don't. I do. Kirk Cousins. Hi, I'm Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: quarterback in the Minnesota Viking Bail it like that. Take
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Speaker 1: Garrett reinstated. NFL has reinstated. Do we know the full
Speaker 1: story here? For a story that felt like it was
Speaker 1: inflammatory Miles Garrett, I guess still stands by a story.
Speaker 1: And Mason Rudolph used, you know, some racial slurs in there.
Speaker 1: NFL investigating this, I don't know, felt like that just
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Speaker 1: right eight seven seventh three dpel email address DP at
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick dot com. Marco and Arizona is back. Hi, Marco, Hey,
Speaker 1: good morning, DP, Good morning. Dennett's heard you talking about
Speaker 1: my guy hit Swivel. But you guys countered me with
Speaker 1: a good question, you know, like blowing up the team
Speaker 1: like starting over. Isn't a new coach starting over anyway?
Speaker 1: And wouldn't you rather have, you know, a new quarterback
Speaker 1: and coach because dad's gotta he's gonna have to learn
Speaker 1: McCarthy's ways. Well, I think that McCarthy's going to come
Speaker 1: in and have to sort of get his style and
Speaker 1: fit it into the Cowboys. That cowboys already got a style.
Speaker 1: But I think he'll help Dak Prescott and preparing you
Speaker 1: know whatever he gleaned from Aaron Rodgers there. But I
Speaker 1: would stay with Dak Prescott. Thanks for the phone called Marco.
Speaker 1: You know this whole Tom Brady thing, tom Brady hasn't
Speaker 1: played at anywhere near Tom Brady level. I don't know
Speaker 1: what game or take Brett Farves watching, I just didn't
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady was anywhere near great and at times
Speaker 1: just good. Go back to the super Bowl. He had
Speaker 1: one big throw in the Super He didn't play well
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and they beat the Rams. At
Speaker 1: the end of the year, Look what he did those
Speaker 1: last couple of series against the Dolphins. He didn't do
Speaker 1: anything the Dolphins and you lose it home and then
Speaker 1: the Titans. Like that's just not elite tom Brady level.
Speaker 1: And I can blame it on supporting cast Or. I
Speaker 1: can certainly credit that for you know why he's not
Speaker 1: putting up great numbers. But I just didn't think he'd
Speaker 1: looked great. And I just don't see I think this
Speaker 1: is media driven. You know, he got shows that lad
Speaker 1: with us that Tom Brady and the Cowboys. Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to sign Dak Prescott, either tagg him or give him
Speaker 1: a long term deal that makes the most sense for
Speaker 1: them short term long term. This is different than the
Speaker 1: Patriots deciding to keep Tom Brady and letting Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: go because Brady at that time was still playing good football,
Speaker 1: won an MVP, won a couple of Super Bowls for you.
Speaker 1: Now you're bringing him in at forty three. You might
Speaker 1: have him for one more year and then you're unless
Speaker 1: you're sold on somebody else other than Dak Prescott. It's
Speaker 1: your quarterback. And if that's the case, then okay, fine,
Speaker 1: But I would keep Dak Prescott. I would tag him
Speaker 1: for one year because I would hold off as long
Speaker 1: as I can before he's gonna want his forty million
Speaker 1: dollars because he's not worth forty million dollars. And if
Speaker 1: I was advising him, I would say to him, we're
Speaker 1: going to give them a little what appears to be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a discount here because you make
Speaker 1: so much money being the Cowboys quarterback off the field.
Speaker 1: If you go to Carolina, you ain't making this coin.
Speaker 1: You go to Tampa, you ain't making this coin. You're
Speaker 1: making it because you're the Cowboys quarterback, plain and simple.
Speaker 1: That's it. Pete and Virginia joins us, Hi, Pete, what
Speaker 1: do you have for me? So I'm probably like a
Speaker 1: lot of listeners. You know, I hop on min interview
Speaker 1: and sometimes you recognize the voice. You know, Barkley's Eez,
Speaker 1: Miller's Eez, and I hop on and I hear Chris
Speaker 1: collins were talking about my DC Defenders, and then you
Speaker 1: say Oliver Luck, and I'm like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have the same feeling. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: call that a voice doppelganger or you know, there's like
Speaker 1: a stunt double. He sounded just like Chris collins Worth.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if any of you guys picked
Speaker 1: up on that too, Pete, thanks for the phone call.
Speaker 1: You're right on. We we thought that there was a
Speaker 1: little collins Worth in that voice of Oliver Luck. There
Speaker 1: sounded like an analyst, sound a little bit like Chris Collinsworth.
Speaker 1: During the live looking, Paulie said, Hey, I got an
Speaker 1: XTFL question for you. I believe it's a two part question.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised that Oliver Luck the commissioned the NFL
Speaker 1: When you was asked about partnering with the NFL and
Speaker 1: going after college underclassman didn't distance himself from going after
Speaker 1: a star college players like the USFL did decades ago.
Speaker 1: That killed out. Yes. Second part of the question is
Speaker 1: if you were Trevor Lawrence. Let's say the XFL called
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Clemson four weeks ago, called him and his
Speaker 1: parents and if he has a representative his end, we'll
Speaker 1: give you ten million dollars to play ten games for
Speaker 1: US this season. Ten million dollars. If you were Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: would you consider that or would you go back to
Speaker 1: Clemson front of it? Not. I wouldn't even spend a second.
Speaker 1: I'd spend two seconds. Ten million. No, No, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know who. He could have a guy who's a truck
Speaker 1: driver blocking for him, a bus driver working at home
Speaker 1: depot or something. The guy's chasing them or also working
Speaker 1: at chippy lubamnthing. Well, those guys might be have incentive
Speaker 1: to go and get Trevor Lawrence and tackle and sack
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Not that the guys upfront don't have incentive
Speaker 1: to block for him. But no, Trevor Lawrence, No, he's
Speaker 1: going to be protected at Clemson. He'll eventually make his money.
Speaker 1: He does while he can have the ten million now
Speaker 1: the smart choice would be I'm going to stay at
Speaker 1: Clemson and try to win another national title. Yes. So
Speaker 1: the players that are making up these teams, right, are
Speaker 1: all what former practice squad players or players that were
Speaker 1: cut from NFL teams. Yeah? Right? So are we saying
Speaker 1: that the Clemson line now is better than those players? Yes? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because I mean I mean, like I get the punch line,
Speaker 1: but they're not like guys that they're just picking up
Speaker 1: off the street. They're guys that are trying to still
Speaker 1: play professional ball. Yes, right, yeah, Yes, there was a
Speaker 1: big debate along those lines. Could Alice you this year
Speaker 1: beat the XFL teams? Yes, but they said all teams
Speaker 1: have older guys. That's why I wonder if there's any
Speaker 1: advantage there of all them draft Well, you can be older,
Speaker 1: Are you better like old average guys? Yeah? As I
Speaker 1: mean if you look at that LSU roster, how many
Speaker 1: pros do you have? Tarney and they practice together for years?
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Burrow has been with him for two years.
Speaker 1: If LSU played the best XFL team, can we ask
Speaker 1: Vegas do they may come up with odds and make
Speaker 1: short notice Vegas? I said no, thanks, They prefer not
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