Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast contains spoilers for a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: We lay out a bunch of theories about what we
Speaker 1: think could possibly happen regarding a variety of properties, most
Speaker 1: specifically the MCU phases four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: so be aware of that, but it's mostly just a
Speaker 1: lot of theorizing.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepsio, and welcome to x ray Vision,
Speaker 1: their crooked podcast where we dived fit dear favorite shows, movies, comics,
Speaker 1: and pop culture. In today's action packed SDCC heavy episode,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all the SDC news. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about our experiences there, we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: stuff that was announced in the airlock. We're gonna dive
Speaker 1: into Marvel's extremely heavy, massive surprise laden slate from SDCC,
Speaker 1: and let's jump into it.
Speaker 2: Joining me today.
Speaker 1: She is the number one Godzilla writer, their number one
Speaker 1: comics historian, the number one comics journalist. She's reading the comics,
Speaker 1: she's writing the comics, she's doing at all.
Speaker 2: It's Rosie Night, ladies and gentlemen, Hey.
Speaker 3: It's me. I really that was like very sucsact. That
Speaker 3: is basically my whole life, she's reading the comics, she's
Speaker 3: writing in the comic, she's talking about the comics. It's like,
Speaker 3: that's definitely it.
Speaker 2: Rosie, We're back from Comic Con. How was it? How
Speaker 2: was it was?
Speaker 3: It was really cool. Yeah, I was a bit nervous
Speaker 3: about going, obviously because of everything that's going on, but
Speaker 3: it was really amazing. I was out there predominantly for
Speaker 3: Den of Geek and they put me up in a
Speaker 3: tell that was with Walky Distance, which was amazing. And
Speaker 3: my cover story was there with The Rock and p
Speaker 3: and Quintessa Swindell, and it was really surreal to see
Speaker 3: people just giving it out in an extremely unexpected thing
Speaker 3: that occurred. I think it was Thursday or Friday night.
Speaker 3: The Rock Dwayne Johnson took my cover story on Jimmy Kimmel,
Speaker 3: which was being hosted by Kerry Washington, and then was
Speaker 3: just like Kerry Washington was just holding the cover stuf.
Speaker 2: It was an amazing thing to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of it, I know.
Speaker 3: None of us knew it was going to happen, and
Speaker 3: it was the only copy that was out there, so
Speaker 3: that was really special. And then the Godzilla panel was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was super stacked, a bunch of people came. We
Speaker 3: announced a bunch of amazing new comics by a bunch
Speaker 3: of my friends and people that I love. So that
Speaker 3: was really cool. And yeah, it was just really good.
Speaker 3: I played it pretty safe. I didn't really do too
Speaker 3: many of the parties or anything. I didn't. I just
Speaker 3: I snuck onto this show floor where I could. But
Speaker 3: generally I felt like it was very chilled out compared
Speaker 3: to San Diego's in years past, and it had it
Speaker 3: had quite a walkable vibe in a way that the
Speaker 3: old San Diego's didn't. So I was enjoying that. How
Speaker 3: is it for you and your low? Uh? You had
Speaker 3: a low little time? Well?
Speaker 1: Let yeah, first of all, uh, I love a con
Speaker 1: Let me just say that right off the bats love.
Speaker 2: I love a convention.
Speaker 1: If you've never been to SDCC or Dragon Con or
Speaker 1: New York Comic Con or whatever comic con is in
Speaker 1: your area, it's so fun. It's like being amongst our people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like and you see everyone
Speaker 1: in costume, You see all the cost playing, You see
Speaker 1: like whole families in costume, which is always so fun.
Speaker 1: Walk by artists alley and see artists that you've.
Speaker 2: Loved and admired your entire life.
Speaker 3: Jem Dodam's the most famous eyes. You know. I was
Speaker 3: I interviewed a couple of people for another piece, like
Speaker 3: a vibe check piece I have come in and one
Speaker 3: of them was just like you know. I was walking
Speaker 3: down the street and Rob Lifeld was walking the other
Speaker 3: way like it's just every I remember the first time
Speaker 3: I ever went to San Diego, I was walking. I
Speaker 3: was just walking around the show floor. It was I
Speaker 3: think it was probably preview night and I was just
Speaker 3: chilling and Grant Morrison was there signing at a heavy
Speaker 3: metal booth and there was no cue, so I was
Speaker 3: chalking to Grant Morrison, and then two booths over was
Speaker 3: the Hernandez brothers who do love them rockets, And that
Speaker 3: really encapsulates.
Speaker 2: The magic of it. That's you can bet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see, you can meet fans who you
Speaker 3: who love the same stuff as you, but you can
Speaker 3: also meet those creators. And also, like you said, I
Speaker 3: saw a whole family and they were dressed as every
Speaker 3: character from everything everywhere, all at once. So there's just
Speaker 3: like amazing cosplaying and that this is all the stuff
Speaker 3: that's aside from those massive moments like hal h, this
Speaker 3: is just stuff anyone can enjoy.
Speaker 1: And I did host the House of the Dragon paneling
Speaker 1: age that was first of all the night before. So
Speaker 1: by now you know that I'm also co hosting the
Speaker 1: HBO's House of the Dragon podcast, which I'll talk.
Speaker 2: About more in a second. So we were doing interviews,
Speaker 2: a bunch.
Speaker 1: Of interviews and stuff for that with really exciting people,
Speaker 1: including one George R. Martin, the guy who started all
Speaker 1: you'll hear that on the House of the Dragon podcast.
Speaker 1: But knowing that I had to do that and knowing
Speaker 1: that I had to be around people, I too was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going out. I didn't go out until I
Speaker 1: had finished all my obligations. I didn't go to art
Speaker 1: sally do any of that stuff because I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the person that potentially gave anybody COVID. I want to
Speaker 1: just be responsible in stand now the entire I did
Speaker 1: not sleep.
Speaker 2: The night before all age because I was.
Speaker 1: Just like, let me watch other people moderate, let me
Speaker 1: see what it's like, let me get my questions together,
Speaker 1: let me get all this together.
Speaker 2: And I was like.
Speaker 1: Every time I kind of fell asleep for like five minutes,
Speaker 1: ten minutes. It was just dreams of me asking questions.
Speaker 1: And you know, because it's like that was my first SDCC,
Speaker 1: I've always dreamt about going.
Speaker 2: I've been to many New York comic coms.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't know that that was my
Speaker 3: fast thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, being inside Hall h that's like the
Speaker 1: Sistine Chapel. Like I've always just wanted to be there
Speaker 1: as a person, and it's getting in it is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's when we were pulling up to do the panel,
Speaker 1: there was just like a line that just snaked all
Speaker 1: around and around and around around people Like yeah, they
Speaker 1: got here at ten thirty with tents the previous night,
Speaker 1: just camping out. So just to be in there is
Speaker 1: something I've always wanted to do as a just a civilian,
Speaker 1: like to take it all in so to be bh.
Speaker 1: The mic was it was nuts and now I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't get nervous. I'm not a person that gets
Speaker 1: nervous about stuff. I get it cited when I have
Speaker 1: to be in front of a crowd or interview somebody
Speaker 1: cool or do anything. I don't but I don't like
Speaker 1: get scared for whatever reason. I don't know the reason,
Speaker 1: but this is I was legit.
Speaker 2: It was scared. It was scary.
Speaker 3: You know, there's six thousand people.
Speaker 2: There are six thousand people there. It was packed the lights.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like the backdrop that you've seen the
Speaker 1: whole time, and and it was.
Speaker 2: It was scary. So let's let's go to the previously on.
Speaker 1: First up, previously on, we're going to talk about all
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Speaker 1: HBO's House of the Dragon panel, we're back.
Speaker 3: I had you moderated it.
Speaker 1: So I did moderate it, and by now people know
Speaker 1: I'm hosting the House of the Dragon podcasts, the official
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones podcast House of the Dragon. You should
Speaker 1: also know that I'll be doing Ask the Master in
Speaker 1: podcast form we'll be doing it here. So the Ask
Speaker 1: the Master at Gmail account is open. We have questions,
Speaker 1: start dropping them there and I'll be answering your questions
Speaker 1: in extra vision right here, in addition to all the
Speaker 1: stuff we're going to be doing on the official Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones pod House of the Dragon, which I am
Speaker 1: co hosting with wbe z's Greta Johnson.
Speaker 2: Hear her on the nerd app podcast.
Speaker 3: She's wonderful, She's so great.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I've done official podcasting stuff before. I did the official
Speaker 1: Foundation podcast, the adaptation of Isaac Asimov's Foundational Sci Fi
Speaker 1: books for Apple TV Plus show run by David Goyer,
Speaker 1: who that was a really fun experience, and I may
Speaker 1: do more of that stuff in the future. And so
Speaker 1: you may be asking yourself what does that mean for ExtraVision.
Speaker 2: Here's what it means. Nothing. We continue to be great.
Speaker 1: The lifeblood of x ray Vision is the conversation that
Speaker 1: Rosie and I have and a lot of just wild
Speaker 1: theorizing because that's what we love to do. Obviously, when
Speaker 1: you do official podcast work, you can only talk about
Speaker 1: the thing. Right on Foundation, we only talk about Foundation.
Speaker 1: On How's the Drunk, We're only gonna talk about How's
Speaker 1: the Drunk.
Speaker 2: Here's where we can talk.
Speaker 1: About comics, DC, Marvel, Image comics, video games, weird kung
Speaker 1: Fu movies, Godzilla, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we like, plus hear you talk
Speaker 1: about the stuff that you like.
Speaker 2: Plus we're gonna be able to have.
Speaker 1: Conversations that were not gonna be really on the table
Speaker 1: for an official podcast. Here I can just get crazy
Speaker 1: and talk about stuff and don't I don't for House
Speaker 1: to the Dragon. I don't know anything. I will be
Speaker 1: getting screeners tonight. I'm going to We're taping us on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the premiere. I'll see the first episode.
Speaker 1: I'll be getting screeners so that we.
Speaker 2: Record that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I've also read the books, as I did with
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, and I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 1: and spoil anything for anybody. And it's not like I'm
Speaker 1: really gonna know anything. I'll have a couple of days
Speaker 1: jump on everybody, But that's so we could record the podcast,
Speaker 1: and that's no different than anything that has happened before.
Speaker 1: All of which is to say X ray Vision remains
Speaker 1: cool and it will continue to be cool. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the House of the Dragon panel. It was just
Speaker 1: really fun. It was amazing to get to interview George,
Speaker 1: to get to hear him speak, to get to meet him.
Speaker 1: He had he also has been very concerned about COVID,
Speaker 1: had not really left his home, as he said at
Speaker 1: the panel, and so just have him there to see
Speaker 1: him there was just I really appreciate the time with him.
Speaker 1: Quick editorial note George R. Martin has indeed tested positive
Speaker 1: for COVID, although thankfully it seems that his symptoms are mild.
Speaker 1: Back to your previously recorded proper. You know, that is
Speaker 1: a set of stories that it just meant a lot
Speaker 1: to me in my life. I absolutely love them. I
Speaker 1: think that as a world builder, he's maybe the best
Speaker 1: to ever do it. I don't think, you know, if
Speaker 1: you look at the way he's built out a Song
Speaker 1: of Ice and Fire and Westress and all the stories
Speaker 1: that revolve around that, it's almost you could almost go
Speaker 1: to any date in the fictional history and find out
Speaker 1: what was going on. It's just so granular and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And so that was a really incredible experience. I would
Speaker 1: say about ten to fifteen minutes in my adrenaline warn
Speaker 1: off and I felt okay, but it was like it
Speaker 1: is surreal. My hands were shaking. Now who went up
Speaker 1: before us DC Films and Black Adam, which means that
Speaker 1: I was. I was in the green room watching the
Speaker 1: Black Adam team react to the Rock coming out of
Speaker 1: the ground, levitating, levitating out of the stage in the
Speaker 1: Black Adam costume, like fully committed to the thing. And
Speaker 1: then later, as you know, the entire house, the Dragon
Speaker 1: panel was lined up to go on on stage.
Speaker 2: The Rock then walked past us.
Speaker 1: Now you did this entire cover story, big deal for
Speaker 1: Black Adam. Tell us about your reaction to the Black
Speaker 1: Adam panel.
Speaker 3: I thought, I was just thinking about how Dwayne the
Speaker 3: Rock Johnson legally before we start, he must have been
Speaker 3: so happy. This is just such a passion project for him,
Speaker 3: you can tell. And something I mean, this is fifteen
Speaker 3: in the making, you know, ten years since he started
Speaker 3: developing it, but fifteen since he was first attached to
Speaker 3: the role. And this is something where the thing he
Speaker 3: cares about the most. In my cover story, which is
Speaker 3: you can now read it as well on the Den
Speaker 3: of Yek website. But in the cover story, he tells
Speaker 3: this great story about how when he was you know,
Speaker 3: wrestling to fifty people in flea markets, that's when he
Speaker 3: learned that fans will always guide you. And Black Adam
Speaker 3: is all about this notion of him wanting to bring
Speaker 3: this character to life, bring the JSA to life on
Speaker 3: the big screen in live action, which has never happened before.
Speaker 3: And he wants to do it because he loves the characters,
Speaker 3: and that's clear, but he also really wants to bring
Speaker 3: the oldest DC superhero team you know, to life, because
Speaker 3: he knows that that's something fans want. So I just
Speaker 3: it warms my heart to think of him with six
Speaker 3: thousand fans in the fore costume levitating, and it's been
Speaker 3: so long since somebody's taken advantage. Paul h like that.
Speaker 3: I think the most famous time is Loki. You know
Speaker 3: Tom Hidles still dressing as Loki.
Speaker 2: So I love it.
Speaker 3: I love to see people blow up. They played five minutes,
Speaker 3: I think five new minutes, but they released a shorter
Speaker 3: clip of that. It looks great. It expands on what
Speaker 3: we already knew, which is, you know, his son is
Speaker 3: going to sacrifice himself. He was an enslaved Kandaki man
Speaker 3: in the past. He gains these powers from the Wizard Shazam.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's such a dark, gritty trailer, but
Speaker 3: it's so fun every time you throw it back to
Speaker 3: the fact he got his powers from the Wizard. That
Speaker 3: means we see Jam and Hansu, who I love. We
Speaker 3: also got a trailer for Shazam Fury of the Gods,
Speaker 3: which is inherently connected to Black Adam, though we don't
Speaker 3: know whether he will be in this movie or not,
Speaker 3: because in the comics, Black Adam was the first person
Speaker 3: to get the powers of the Wizard Shazam before Billy Batson.
Speaker 3: Billy Batson whenever he says Shazam becomes the hero known
Speaker 3: as Shazam formerly known as Captain Marvel. For a fun,
Speaker 3: confusing nod, Black Adam always has the powers because he
Speaker 3: was the first person to get them, and he got
Speaker 3: them as an adult. But yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 3: really fun. I loved the first Shazam movie. I thought
Speaker 3: it was just it had like a real Ghostbusters or
Speaker 3: Gremlins vibe. It had these horror elements, but it's a
Speaker 3: family movie and there was a big moment at the end.
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert for a movie that came out a few
Speaker 3: years ago where all the kids in what used to
Speaker 3: be called the Marvel Family in what DC casually calls
Speaker 3: the Shazamily now they all get powers. And it was great.
Speaker 2: It's a great it's a great family right.
Speaker 3: It works, and it's actually so I love stories about kids,
Speaker 3: as everyone who listens to the podcast knows, so to
Speaker 3: see these kids getting their powers, I mean, Megan Good
Speaker 3: as a superhero who doesn't want to see that. So
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for that aspect, and I think it
Speaker 3: will be really fun. Chazam's coming out the end of
Speaker 3: this year beginning of next next year, and Black Adams
Speaker 3: coming out in October. So and the fact that these
Speaker 3: were the two movies that they bought to San Diego
Speaker 3: makes me think that they're probably gonna have that connection
Speaker 3: that was originally meant to happen in the first Shizam movie.
Speaker 1: Up next a lot of really fun Star Trek news.
Speaker 1: We got to see what the Star Trek the next
Speaker 1: generation cast will look like in costume for some promos
Speaker 1: for the third and final season of Picard.
Speaker 3: I love that show.
Speaker 1: They got a trailer for the very funny Lower Decks
Speaker 1: season three, which included an appearance of Deep Space nine
Speaker 1: and for the panel, Lower Decks leads Tawny Newsome and
Speaker 1: Jack Quaid were there.
Speaker 2: I saw them in the green room also. It was
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 1: And they're going to appear in a live action crossover
Speaker 1: episode of a Strange New World season two that was
Speaker 1: also announced. And then producer Chris has some fun Star
Speaker 1: Trek Royalty stories to tell us, because at one point
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, you know, I had
Speaker 1: gotten done with a bunch of my stuff and I
Speaker 1: had finally braved artist ally and spent all my budget
Speaker 1: in under a minute.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, Hey, what's everybody doing?
Speaker 1: And Chris was like, you know, just casually hitting the
Speaker 1: bars with various cast members of Lower Decks.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 4: Yes. I was very lucky that our dear friend and
Speaker 4: colleague Kendre and I were able to get to go
Speaker 4: to some of the events.
Speaker 5: His main reason we're down there was to kind of
Speaker 5: go and promote.
Speaker 4: The show and connect with people, and so we were
Speaker 4: able to get to go to the FX party, the
Speaker 4: What we Do in the Shadows party, which the whole
Speaker 4: the whole cast is also there too. I briefly got
Speaker 4: to meet a chance to meet some of them. But
Speaker 4: the most exciting thing was I got to spend pretty
Speaker 4: much the rest of the evening hanging out with like
Speaker 4: half the cast of Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, and
Speaker 4: half the cast of Summer Decks, which as a Trek
Speaker 4: fan was incredible and I kept my cool all the
Speaker 4: way through. It took till the end be like, oh, like,
Speaker 4: by the way, I'm also a big Trek fan, and
Speaker 4: then we got to like geek out about love that
Speaker 4: wrath of con and everything. But yes, they are all
Speaker 4: like as lovely as you'd want them to be, which
Speaker 4: is also exciting because in particular, Strange New Rules and
Speaker 4: Lower Tax are just great shows. They're like, they're so good.
Speaker 4: They're episodic, which you rarely get anymore. They're really funny,
Speaker 4: they're really heartfelt. Genuinely, I think.
Speaker 5: Some of my favorite steffiic on TV right now.
Speaker 4: And I got a chance to tell them all that,
Speaker 4: which was pretty crazy. But yes, I never thought my
Speaker 4: wildest days of going to comic Con for for over
Speaker 4: a decade now, like two thousand and nine was it
Speaker 4: my first year going. But I never thought that I'd
Speaker 4: get to do like the Macarena with the actor who
Speaker 4: plays Bock at a San Diego bar, which I love.
Speaker 2: Magic, folks, is magic.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying right like this, These are
Speaker 3: the experiences, especially if you're like Superducer Chris. If you
Speaker 3: can be in that space and be respectful and just
Speaker 3: be like, here are some people who want to have fun,
Speaker 3: like yeah, I love them, you can end up having
Speaker 3: really special experiences because everyone who's there is just there
Speaker 3: because they love this stuff. They love making this stuff,
Speaker 3: they love talking about this stuff. So you get to
Speaker 3: have these kind of out of body experiences. And I'm
Speaker 3: really glad you and Kendra did the socializing because this
Speaker 3: was the first year when I really got invited to
Speaker 3: any of the big proper parties. But I was just
Speaker 3: so nervous about COVID that I was just chilling in
Speaker 3: my hotel. I'm living by Carrious your story a month ago.
Speaker 4: So okay, I think it's worth the risk and ultimately
Speaker 4: proved very much worth it.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean people, folks have been clamoring for
Speaker 1: Star Trek stuff, so we have to have you and Kendra,
Speaker 1: who is is Star Trek Royalty. I mean, look, legitimately,
Speaker 1: she's Star Trek roy Yeah, we need to We need
Speaker 1: to have you guys on to just talk about.
Speaker 3: Especially we're in a gold This is like a new
Speaker 3: golden age of Star Trek. Really is it really is
Speaker 3: Pickard Discovery, especially in those later seasons. But now you know,
Speaker 3: strange new worlds, lower decks. I feel like those two
Speaker 3: have really Star Trek is always a fandom that has
Speaker 3: many different facets, and everybody loves their own season and
Speaker 3: different things like they work for them and don't. But
Speaker 3: strange new worlds and lower decks. I feel like that
Speaker 3: has united the Star Trek fandom definitely in a way
Speaker 3: I haven't seen for a long time. So we definitely
Speaker 3: need to have you guys on.
Speaker 5: Oh we got yeah, No, it's it's a great time
Speaker 5: to be a Trek fan.
Speaker 4: And no, I'm anytime, anytime happy to come on the
Speaker 4: Talk Star Trek.
Speaker 1: And finally, this was the image on everybody's SDCC pass
Speaker 1: and surely one of the biggest events in Hall h
Speaker 1: And on Comic cong weekend, Amazon's Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: Rings of Power debuted.
Speaker 2: We got to see Daddy Sourn. We got to see
Speaker 2: we get to see.
Speaker 1: Daddy Sarn with his with his hood, looking looking young
Speaker 1: and angry about stuff. Of course, this is the upcoming
Speaker 1: series on Amazon Prime Video inspired by J. R. Tolkien's
Speaker 1: notes in Return of the King and the Simarillion, And
Speaker 1: there is a big trailer drop at Comic Con that
Speaker 1: looks fucking great. I don't know, there's not much to
Speaker 1: say other than it looks really great and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to watch.
Speaker 3: It looks like it cost a billion dollars, which allegedly
Speaker 3: it did, so I'm glad it looks that way. I
Speaker 3: want to shout out that I'm really excited about everything
Speaker 3: about this show. We've talked about a little bit. We're
Speaker 3: going to talk about it way more when it comes out.
Speaker 3: But it's really cool to see Lenny Henry, who's playing
Speaker 3: a new part of a new like Hobbit family. Is
Speaker 3: my understanding. He is like a black British comedian who
Speaker 3: just has been such a big part of all different
Speaker 3: things that I've loved since I was a little kid.
Speaker 3: So to see him in there and they really highlight
Speaker 3: them in this, it kind of just that was It
Speaker 3: just had that special, warm, nostalgic feeling, and I feel
Speaker 3: like a lot of the casting in this is kind
Speaker 3: of in that way, and I love Ja Bayona, who
Speaker 3: was kind of one of he was a big creative
Speaker 3: force on this, who directed Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, which
Speaker 3: I know not everyone loves, but I do love it.
Speaker 3: And he also made another really amazing movie, which is
Speaker 3: absolutely why he got this film. He made an incredible
Speaker 3: movie called A Monster Calls, which is this unbelievable meditation
Speaker 3: on grief. But it's also about a giant, walking, anthropomorphic tree.
Speaker 3: So I think that's like a good calling card if
Speaker 3: you're going to do a Lord of the Rings thing.
Speaker 3: So I'm just, yeah, I'm so excited about this. I
Speaker 3: can't wait to see more. I wish i'd been in
Speaker 3: Hall h because, for the I'd never seen them do
Speaker 3: this before. Like, feel free to let me know if
Speaker 3: you've been in a panel where they've done this. But
Speaker 3: they put screens on all three walls, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: just behind the cast where you usually watch it. It
Speaker 3: was down the side. So I bet it was just
Speaker 3: absolutely stunning to watch the trailer in that hall.
Speaker 2: Gosh.
Speaker 1: Well, when I was up on the stage, I was
Speaker 1: unable to process any visual information because my brain was
Speaker 1: just like scrambled, and I was like, don't make a
Speaker 1: fucking mistake. Next up the airlock where we're gonna go
Speaker 1: into the MCU. Folks were stepping out of the airlock
Speaker 1: into the multiverse saga toa breakdown the massive, massive amount
Speaker 1: of stuff that Marvel Cudos dropped on everybody's head at
Speaker 1: Comic Con, plus some additional news, and let's start with
Speaker 1: Marvel Animation. So Marvel Animation panel was Friday, happened the
Speaker 1: day before the hall Ah stuff and man, a lot
Speaker 1: of fun stuff, and let's start here Marvel Zombies heiring
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Of course, we were introduced to the
Speaker 1: concept over the course of what If and this is
Speaker 1: gonna be epeed by zeb Wells, who is great and
Speaker 1: super funny, and.
Speaker 2: That makes you really exciting for Wells is involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big that's a big, a big kind
Speaker 3: of It's been a while since really the origins of
Speaker 3: the MCU, since we've seen comic book create as being
Speaker 3: bought on as creative forces for these shows. So that's
Speaker 3: really cool.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I think all Marvel Zombies fans,
Speaker 1: comic fans of the comics are asking, is okay, but like,
Speaker 1: how gory will it be? Marvel has said they are
Speaker 1: gonna up the gore level from what we saw and
Speaker 1: what If, so all the zombies chompling on people and
Speaker 1: zombies getting dismembered, expect to see it. This is exciting
Speaker 1: because I love Marvel zombies.
Speaker 3: I would also say that I thought that for more.
Speaker 3: I thought that what If did a good job of
Speaker 3: already being. It was a pretty gruesome dark episode. So
Speaker 3: if they're willing to promise more more than that, people
Speaker 3: who want to see the goal will likely be very happy.
Speaker 1: That was followed up by what If Season two, which
Speaker 1: is going to come out in twenty twenty three. Season
Speaker 1: two is going to feature Hella, Captain Carter Scarlett, Witch,
Speaker 1: iron Man, Black Widow, doctor Strange. There'll be a third
Speaker 1: season after that. I loved What If season one, so
Speaker 1: very excited, and just to kind of jump ahead, Marvel animation,
Speaker 1: very strong, very strong drops at this panel.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they were not afraid at all.
Speaker 2: Not afraid at all.
Speaker 1: Next up, something very close to our hearts X Men
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Fall of twenty twenty three. I mean, just
Speaker 1: the just hearing the soundtrack makes me very excited. It's
Speaker 1: all your old pals, Rogue, Gambit, Wolverine, Jubilee, cyclop Storm,
Speaker 1: Gid Gray the Beast plus Magneto and a nicely updated costume. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're doing it all Bishop, that's right, Cable, Sure, Nike Crawl
Speaker 1: or yes, Sunspot also there.
Speaker 2: I this is.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Look, let's go. We'll get into this. We
Speaker 3: will get into this more soon in the in the
Speaker 3: further part of this podcast. But I will say the
Speaker 3: fact that night Crawler and sun Spot are included on
Speaker 3: this team makes me believe that we are they are
Speaker 3: very committed to what we call the giant size X
Speaker 3: Men lineup, which is the one the issue relaunch that
Speaker 3: launched the Chris Clairemont stuff that me and Jason always
Speaker 3: talk about and you will only hear us talking about
Speaker 3: more from now till twenty twenty five. But yes, night
Speaker 3: Crawler and Sunspot here. That really says to me that
Speaker 3: we're not gonna We're gonna be expanding out from that
Speaker 3: original team which we've seen. And also this is very
Speaker 3: interesting because this is you know, when we heard that
Speaker 3: theme in MS. Marvel that we turned exactly that is
Speaker 3: now known as same as it was in the Doctor Strange.
Speaker 3: It's now known as the X Men ninety seven theme.
Speaker 3: I think X Men ninety seven is going to be
Speaker 3: the entry point for Marvel to reintroduce the Mutants into
Speaker 3: the MCU, whether or not it's actually going to be
Speaker 3: canon to the MCU, like all these are the same mutants.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not making a comment on that, but
Speaker 3: I do think they see this in a very important
Speaker 3: space to establish the characters who will likely be important.
Speaker 1: Guy, I think this will be a primer. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Let's just like wildly and irresponsibly theorize for
Speaker 1: a second, because I have a theory's love to do
Speaker 1: this right. Either it's canon or it's not going to
Speaker 1: be canon. If it's not canon, it's very simple, like
Speaker 1: this is just an extension of the ninety seven series.
Speaker 1: No big deal happens in some other multiverse. If they
Speaker 1: ever wanted to bring plot points over whatever, it's not
Speaker 1: part of six on six. If they did want to
Speaker 1: do six one six, then you say, okay, thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: back in the mid nineties, all this stuff happened. Then
Speaker 1: Profess X wiped everybody's fucking mind and all the news
Speaker 1: went underground because they were like, we're tired of this shit.
Speaker 1: We don't want to fight anymore, No more awards. We
Speaker 1: just want to live our normal lives undercovered, YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: Maybe is that how.
Speaker 1: They do it, I don't know, but that's the way
Speaker 1: they could do it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's a great cool and I think
Speaker 3: this lineup is very interesting. I also love Bishop so
Speaker 3: and Forge, so I'm feeling very catered to her.
Speaker 1: And a bunch of the original voice talent is going
Speaker 1: to return cal DoD, Leonora's On, George Buza, others, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna be joined by a whole new cast next
Speaker 1: up Spider and Freshman Year. Details have been revealed. Uh,
Speaker 1: classic Marvel villain known as the Wizard is gonna make
Speaker 1: an appearance here, voiced by one of my favorites, Paul F. Tompkins,
Speaker 1: whose Spontaneation podcast got me through a lot of dark
Speaker 1: times in my life. Matt Mardoch voiced by Charley Cox,
Speaker 1: is gonna is gonna play a role.
Speaker 3: This is a big deal.
Speaker 1: This is a big deal because and I think even
Speaker 1: talked about this.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 1: Just to briefly jump ahead, you're seeing Marvel kind of
Speaker 1: establish the things that kind of make up the texture
Speaker 1: of Marvel Comics, which is street level heroes, the Avengers level,
Speaker 1: like the big teams be it X Men, be At Avengers, whoever,
Speaker 1: and then the cosmic stuff like three levels. So it's like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the local neighborhood crime fighters, you're kind of global crime fighters,
Speaker 1: and then you're superheroes that exist outside Earth and in
Speaker 1: the galaxy at large.
Speaker 2: And this is part of the widening of that kind.
Speaker 1: Of street level lore that is going to be really
Speaker 1: really important.
Speaker 2: We're going to see a lot of that, particularly on Disney. Plus.
Speaker 2: This is really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think something that's really cool about this
Speaker 3: is Spider Man and Dead Evil. Those two characters are
Speaker 3: intrinsically connected skin in the comic books, and it's been hard.
Speaker 3: It's why every Not only was it exciting to see
Speaker 3: Charlie Cox's return in Spider Man Noway Home, but that's
Speaker 3: a touch point to these two worlds that in the
Speaker 3: movies have never gotten to crossover before. So to have
Speaker 3: him there and to have Charlie Cox, I will say,
Speaker 3: this is very much We talk about this a lot
Speaker 3: the Big two DC and Marvel. This is very much
Speaker 3: Marvel learning from all the things that DC has done
Speaker 3: in their animated world that worked for them.
Speaker 1: PC has DC has been owning Animated for twenty years
Speaker 1: and they not longer.
Speaker 3: And they've often used the animation to introduce stuff and
Speaker 3: characters and voices that would later become Cannon in the
Speaker 3: CW live action stuff. And then they've taken people like
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan, who played Constantine to much success and love
Speaker 3: and lording in the CW. He would voice Constantine in
Speaker 3: some of the animated movies and they would do it
Speaker 3: the other way too, So I really like to see
Speaker 3: them doing that here. It's also very interesting because reporting
Speaker 3: has said that Marvel has said that this is MCU
Speaker 3: Cannon and is essentially this show will establish Peter's life
Speaker 3: before Civil War. On the panel, Jeff Tremmel, who is
Speaker 3: the showrun an amazing creative from Craig of the Creek,
Speaker 3: just absolute brilliant. I was so excited when they announced
Speaker 3: him on this, and it's going to be he says.
Speaker 3: Spider Man Freshman Year is an animated series that follows
Speaker 3: Peter Parker on his way to becoming Spider Man in
Speaker 3: the MCU. So take that as you will, but it
Speaker 3: sounds like with Charlie Cox being here, that to me
Speaker 3: sounds like this is going to be important.
Speaker 1: Now Here is the big the big news within that
Speaker 1: Norman Osborne is going to be this, That is, he
Speaker 1: will be Peter's mentor, which is a role that he
Speaker 1: has played amongst other.
Speaker 2: Roles, amongst many other roles of the colleagues.
Speaker 1: So there are questions about how this is gonna work
Speaker 1: because it was confirmed that he didn't exist in the MCU,
Speaker 1: and how.
Speaker 2: Well this all work. Will figure that out.
Speaker 1: Either it will be cannon or a multiverse cannon or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it will be interesting to see how this all
Speaker 1: plays out. Let's go to Hall H for the live
Speaker 1: action stuff, well mostly live action stuff, and phase four. First,
Speaker 1: let's go to the big Figy map.
Speaker 2: Actually you know what this.
Speaker 1: Remember you will remember this, I'm sure. But somewhere in
Speaker 1: the earlier part of the Brian Michael bendis rain at
Speaker 1: Marvel and his like very very influential stranglehold that he
Speaker 1: had at the time on big books. Remember Tony had
Speaker 1: written like on the wall this big math problem prediction
Speaker 1: about what was going to happen eventually, and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff eventually paid off later on, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of in books after Bennis, but he had put it
Speaker 1: with this massive like map in this room of like,
Speaker 1: here's all the shit that's going to happen, and here's
Speaker 1: the Avengers, and here's here's the threats that are going
Speaker 1: to rise to meet the Avengers, and here's what that's
Speaker 1: all gonna mean. And it just looked like this massive, massive,
Speaker 1: massive equation. That's what it was like looking at the
Speaker 1: Marvel display. And it started with the end of Phase
Speaker 1: four and the reveal of the I Am Groot trailer,
Speaker 1: which is a collection of five original shorts all center
Speaker 1: around baby Groot that's gonna be released on Disney Plus
Speaker 1: in August tenth.
Speaker 2: And it looks really cute. This looks to be the
Speaker 2: you know, telling the.
Speaker 1: Story of Groot post Guardians of the Galaxy, after he
Speaker 1: saved everybody's life, right and then got reduced to a
Speaker 1: twig and then grew up. It looks like we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a bunch of scenes from his life that looks
Speaker 1: fucking great.
Speaker 3: I was blown away by the animation. Just looks see
Speaker 3: animation and cute and slick and smooth and shiny and
Speaker 3: experimental and fun and weird.
Speaker 1: It's like pseudo stop motion but not but cg but
Speaker 1: not stop motion. It's just like the textures there look fantastic.
Speaker 3: I was real more exciting, Yeah, way more excited than
Speaker 3: I thought I would be about a series of five shows.
Speaker 2: But I was like, this looks great.
Speaker 1: Next up, she Hulk first of all hit SDCC and
Speaker 1: the kind of environs around SDCC with those placards and
Speaker 1: handouts that kind of mimicked a like an ambulance chasing
Speaker 1: lawyers kind of ad campaign, which was very, very smart.
Speaker 1: You could call the number and you could hear the voicemail.
Speaker 1: They hit the ground running with a new trailer which
Speaker 1: has the vibe of kind of like a legal comedy.
Speaker 1: I think they've the creators mentioned that Fleabag was an
Speaker 1: influence here. You could really see it in some of
Speaker 1: the in the moment when Jen breaks the fourth wall.
Speaker 1: But I think, clearly, as we have, as we have
Speaker 1: been theorizing this whole time, this pretty clearly takes place
Speaker 1: before end game, before Hulk snaps.
Speaker 2: With the Iron Man wantlet and then Fries.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I think so we righte we correctly I
Speaker 3: think very fairly assumed that it was going to take
Speaker 3: place during that situation. But my understanding from the trailer
Speaker 3: and a et special feature today. The special feature showed
Speaker 3: Bruce and she Hulk Jennifer getting into a car crash,
Speaker 3: and I think that is why his arm is in
Speaker 3: the sling. So they duped us, We thought so, and
Speaker 3: in the et featurette that they revealed today, Tatiana Maslani,
Speaker 3: who plays Jennifer, says she accidentally takes Bruce's blood and
Speaker 3: then we see her whole cup at the site of
Speaker 3: the car crash. So I think it also reveals this
Speaker 3: new origin, which is they're in a car crash together
Speaker 3: and his blood gets into her open wound. That's my guest,
Speaker 3: sounds delightful, but I think that's the situation.
Speaker 1: How do we think then that Bruce's arm has healed now?
Speaker 1: To be fair, I think the common I think the
Speaker 1: reason we think that his injured arm post endgame was
Speaker 1: going to be permanent was because the Russo's basically said
Speaker 1: that it was going to be permanent.
Speaker 3: That was and he changed he had to arm, so
Speaker 3: we were like, oh, well, this makes sense that it
Speaker 3: will be before because his arm was fine, So.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out how that happens. This
Speaker 1: also teases the MCU introduction of Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 2: In the full suit.
Speaker 1: Uh, and this looks fun. I'm excited for this and
Speaker 1: also like you know, uh, x ray Vision Legend Cody
Speaker 1: zig Zigler wrote for this. My friends my friend's fiance,
Speaker 1: Dats Schwartz wrote for this. So I'm very excited on
Speaker 1: many personal levels to see.
Speaker 3: Friends and also as well just on an even more
Speaker 3: personal level. You know, we were right about Dead Evil
Speaker 3: being in this show, yes, everyone, we were, And we
Speaker 3: were right about it being a Superhero of the week
Speaker 3: show where it looks like she's going to be dealing
Speaker 3: with a different powered person and their legal troubles, and
Speaker 3: I think that that's really fun. I think the fleabag
Speaker 3: stuff is very smart. It also harks back to the
Speaker 3: most famous parts of She Hulk, which is that she
Speaker 3: always broke the fourth wall. So I didn't ever really
Speaker 3: smart to establish that before Deadpool comes, because she was
Speaker 3: doing it years before Deadpool, you know, So I think
Speaker 3: it's Yeah, it just looked really fun. They did great stuff,
Speaker 3: like the placards they were giving out and the adverts.
Speaker 3: You could call a number and it would it would,
Speaker 3: you know, tell you a little bit about the show.
Speaker 3: And there's some really wild I've been working very hard
Speaker 3: all morning looking at the trailer because there's a section
Speaker 3: where that in the office there's a wall of comic books,
Speaker 3: and I was finding out what all the comic books were.
Speaker 1: One of them it is a reference to our good
Speaker 1: pal Ghostwriter appears Johnny Blaze. Johnny Blaze the og ghost
Speaker 1: Rider is one of those comics apparently, which is exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's also there's a poster in the et
Speaker 3: thing that looks like a joke where it says Donny
Speaker 3: Blaze instead, but it's very blowy, so it might just
Speaker 3: be bad text, but I think it's a funny joke.
Speaker 3: There's a ton of really weird stuff war Machine nineteen
Speaker 3: from nineteen ninety five, which has the eat along warwear,
Speaker 3: which is when Rody gets this weird alien armor. And
Speaker 3: there's just a ton of weird fun things also in
Speaker 3: Unlike most of the Marvel Universe and especially in the MCU,
Speaker 3: in the Sheehop comics, comic books actually exist, and the
Speaker 3: fact that we're seeing that wall here is likely going
Speaker 3: to tie into the actual narrative of the show. So
Speaker 3: I think that's very cool.
Speaker 1: Up next, and this tugged at the heartstrings folks. Black
Speaker 1: Panther will kind Of Forever, which is coming to theaters
Speaker 1: of Umber eleventh. They dropped the trailer and I've watched
Speaker 1: it probably fifteen twenty times. It's amazing for a lot
Speaker 1: of different reasons.
Speaker 2: Of course, this is going to be the.
Speaker 1: Movie that picks up after the passing of Chadwick Boseman,
Speaker 1: and all of that kind of emotion is present in
Speaker 1: the trailer and is surely going to be present in
Speaker 1: the in the telling of this story, and in your
Speaker 1: experience sitting in the theater watching it. Some really cool
Speaker 1: big news is nay More confirmed. We see him, We
Speaker 1: see him there, he looks great, He's got the Atlantans
Speaker 1: beside him.
Speaker 2: Name Marita is going to be there. Now. You may
Speaker 2: have noticed.
Speaker 1: Nay More not blue like the rest of his people. Well,
Speaker 1: in the comics, that is awesome the case, and in
Speaker 1: the comics the reason is because they've read kind of
Speaker 1: This a couple of times. But essentially, like naymar is
Speaker 1: thought of as Marvel comics first mutant, he is not
Speaker 1: like the rest of the Atlantan Atlantean people. And by
Speaker 1: the way, it's in the Atlantis, I forget the name
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, no, No, they haven't said whether or not
Speaker 3: it's going to be Atlantis, but our general understanding and
Speaker 3: guess based on the vision of name or that they've
Speaker 3: represented and the fact that the actor who's playing him
Speaker 3: is Latin American, is that it's going to be this
Speaker 3: messo American inspired version of Atlantis. Also would make sense
Speaker 3: because nay More is very similar because of these constant,
Speaker 3: hilarious DC Marvel battles with Aquaman. We saw Jason murplay Aquaman.
Speaker 3: They have very similar origin story of somebody who's human
Speaker 3: and somebody who is Atlantean coming together, falling in love,
Speaker 3: having a bit. So we're probably going to see a
Speaker 3: very big change here and as you can see another
Speaker 3: hint of that mutation that Jason talked about in the comics,
Speaker 3: as they like you said, Marvel's first mutant is the
Speaker 3: wings on the back of his legs, which we see
Speaker 3: here is when he's a baby. And we see that
Speaker 3: this trailer was just it blew my mind.
Speaker 2: I'm sumptuous, sumptuous.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. Just so many people have sort of
Speaker 3: come up to me or commented to me that they
Speaker 3: felt like that the delay of seeing the trailer was
Speaker 3: because Marvel wasn't sure what to do post Chadwick's tragic passing,
Speaker 3: but I think that Ryan Coogler always knew what he
Speaker 3: wanted to do and has created something that is so
Speaker 3: intentional and feels so emotional, and it's just going to
Speaker 3: expand this world of because it's not just Name or
Speaker 3: isn't the only new character introduced here. We get to
Speaker 3: see Ree Williams for the first time Ironheart, you know,
Speaker 3: and the introduction is so cool, and that's like and
Speaker 3: you know, a friend of the pod eviewing like that's
Speaker 3: someone who is so integral and bringing Reui to life
Speaker 3: in the comics and to see that on stage now
Speaker 3: and also in a story about going to a Kanda
Speaker 3: something else that you wrote, you know, this is it's
Speaker 3: really going to expand out what it means to be
Speaker 3: black panther, to be Wakandan and Wakanda's place in the world,
Speaker 3: I think, and with Name more being introduced, it really
Speaker 3: establishes I think, from here to Phase five, which we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about in a minute, this opens up
Speaker 3: and establishes a lot of the conflict that we're going
Speaker 3: to see, and especially if you look back to the
Speaker 3: comics where T'Challa is incapacitated in a coma and nay
Speaker 3: More arrives and he's beginning to set up the cabal
Speaker 3: with Dr Doom and Emma Frost and all these characters
Speaker 3: that we can likely see coming to the MCU soon.
Speaker 3: I think we can get a good picture of where
Speaker 3: we're going to.
Speaker 1: Go now as we can surmise from this trailer, there's
Speaker 1: going to be we're going to see an on screen
Speaker 1: depiction of the Atlantis Wakanda war, which of many of
Speaker 1: you been asking about, where can I read up on this?
Speaker 1: So not going to spoil like how it starts to
Speaker 1: be the inciting event. I think the important thing to
Speaker 1: understand is the bulk of the fighting of the conflict itself,
Speaker 1: which is tragic and is like because the events kind
Speaker 1: of get out of control of both nay More and
Speaker 1: T'Challa in various ways, like they just take on a
Speaker 1: momentum of their own, which makes it feel and it's
Speaker 1: really a running b plot in in Hickman's New Avengers
Speaker 1: series and the time runs out arc, but the inciting
Speaker 1: incident happens in Avengers Versus x Men number eight from
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. That's going to be the thing that kind
Speaker 1: of kicks it all off. So if you're reading through
Speaker 1: the Hickman and you're like, oh, but how did this
Speaker 1: all start? They do reference it, but if you want
Speaker 1: to actually read where it starts, Uh, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a it's an event that happens in the run up
Speaker 1: uh to the to the climax of Avengers versus X Men,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see that because that's going
Speaker 1: to be a conflict where nymar is a really interesting
Speaker 1: character because he is a hero, but he's also like
Speaker 1: not quote unku.
Speaker 2: He's not like a Steve Rogers good guy.
Speaker 3: He's he's he's but over. Originally he was originally a villain.
Speaker 3: He hates humans, which but he's an anti hero and
Speaker 3: then he has become heroic.
Speaker 2: He's attacked Earth many many times.
Speaker 1: He's a really interesting backstory with with Steve.
Speaker 2: Rogers and with Sue. Well.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is joving ahead, but we know that
Speaker 1: Fantastic four is eventually comic. Here's what's fun about Marvel
Speaker 1: about a Wars, Marvel.
Speaker 2: Gothings in general.
Speaker 1: Uh, there is a long running subplot in Marvel Comics
Speaker 1: of nay More just being really really hot for Sue
Speaker 1: Storm and not hiding it ever, being like, listen.
Speaker 2: Why are you with this nerd? Like you know, you're
Speaker 2: a queen? Yeah, what's you're a queen? You should be
Speaker 2: with a fucking king, which is me. I would treat
Speaker 2: you like the queen that you are now.
Speaker 1: Sue Storm is a family woman, obviously loves Read, although
Speaker 1: he often ignores her. And here's the thing, nothing is
Speaker 1: ever a quote unquote happened. I don't think I need
Speaker 1: to go back and check.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: There's a part of Sue that is uh more than
Speaker 1: flattered by the attentions that nay More places upon her.
Speaker 1: And I tell you what, if we get some really
Speaker 1: messy love triangle between may More.
Speaker 2: Read and Sue in the MCU, I will be absolutely
Speaker 2: fucking delighted. I need it.
Speaker 3: I mean also as well, like the actor that they
Speaker 3: cast to play nay More is hunky, like tayannuk Wata is,
Speaker 3: just like they really made nay More hunk. So I
Speaker 3: think the first thing that everyone was talking about is like, you,
Speaker 3: who are you gonna cast as Read? Because you have
Speaker 3: to make people believe that Sue would stay with you, Yes,
Speaker 3: I think, And the other like it's just a tease.
Speaker 3: But the other big thing in this trailer that everyone's
Speaker 3: talking about is like, there is a new Black Panther,
Speaker 3: even though we know that T'Challa has passed from the trailer,
Speaker 3: because we see memorials to him and we see people
Speaker 3: talking about their suffering and their loss. So you know,
Speaker 3: we don't know. Nobody knows anything, but we do know
Speaker 3: the comment that's why you come to xtra Vision. So
Speaker 3: really it's quite easy to assume based on the comic books,
Speaker 3: especially the two thousand and nine Black Panther series, which
Speaker 3: you can go out and check and I think is
Speaker 3: very worthwhile reading because it includes nay More, it includes
Speaker 3: Shuri becoming Black Panther, and I believe that is likely
Speaker 3: what we will see in this movie. I don't know
Speaker 3: where the Suri will hold the Black Panther mantle going forward,
Speaker 3: because they're about to do a new comic book about
Speaker 3: all different people that's held the mantle, but I think
Speaker 3: in this movie we will see something that echoes the
Speaker 3: story in the comics, which is T'Challa is in a coma.
Speaker 3: He's trying to heal his current wife storm of X
Speaker 3: Men fame. Sadly, I don't think we'll see her here,
Speaker 3: but she suggests Suri should take on the mantle. Sury
Speaker 3: goes and sees bast the panther god, takes the and
Speaker 3: bast is like, Nah, you're too arrogant, you're jealous of
Speaker 3: your brother, You're not right. Suri sides that she needs
Speaker 3: to sacrifice herself anyway to do the right thing, puts
Speaker 3: on this immaculate black Panther suit, which I'm very glad
Speaker 3: to see that they've redesigned for the movie. It looks
Speaker 3: like because it was very boob front heavy in the comics.
Speaker 3: And Shury does this self sacrifice, saves to' Charla and Storm,
Speaker 3: and then is recognized as the new Black Panther by
Speaker 3: the Panther God. So I think we could see something
Speaker 3: along the lines of Sury going on her own journey
Speaker 3: to take on the mantle of the Black Panther in
Speaker 3: the wake of her brother's death. When I'm sure there
Speaker 3: will be a lot of bureaucracy around who is going
Speaker 3: to take on that mantle, I think we could we know.
Speaker 3: Letitia Write's performance in the first one was such a
Speaker 3: breakout that a lot of people had wondered if this
Speaker 3: was going to happen even before the tragic passing of Chadwick,
Speaker 3: So I think that it's a pretty safe bet, though
Speaker 3: there are other options, you know, Nakia Lapita Nyongo. Yeah,
Speaker 3: could have Umbaku Winston Duke, who is so beloved, though
Speaker 3: I have to say we've seen the costume and Winston
Speaker 3: Duke is a I don't think it's him.
Speaker 2: That's sick enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's probably going to be shurey. And
Speaker 3: there are some leaks out there, so keep it if
Speaker 3: you don't like spoilers, steep your eyes away from the toys,
Speaker 3: because there are some leaks that seem to confirm certain aspects.
Speaker 3: The trailer also shows Mikayla Cohle as now confirmed as Akka,
Speaker 3: which is a huge bit because in the comics and
Speaker 3: and Io Our Girlfriends and I know, people really want
Speaker 3: to see that. That's Iowa is played in the movie
Speaker 3: by the amazing flor Florence because somebody who can remember
Speaker 3: from the Civil War scene that's really famous where she
Speaker 3: stands up against black widow and yeah, just so much
Speaker 3: cool stuff. This is really interesting because it's this really
Speaker 3: emotional trailer that I think got everyone in the feelings,
Speaker 3: but also like lays the groundwork for a lot of
Speaker 3: what is to come, kind of like hidden under all
Speaker 3: the tears. So I found it very interesting.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I'm super excited.
Speaker 1: Uh and I'll be saying that I'll be saying that
Speaker 1: a lot this is gonna be.
Speaker 3: On it.
Speaker 2: I mean, naym war is. It's huge.
Speaker 1: Like if we get eventually an Illuminati or even a
Speaker 1: Dark Ring Council, I.
Speaker 3: Think we'll get. I think we get Cabal and then
Speaker 3: that will lead to the Illuminati or I think, especially
Speaker 3: with Norman Osbourne potentially joining the MCU in the Spider
Speaker 3: Man Show, seems timely.
Speaker 1: So the Cabal, for those of you you've heard us
Speaker 1: talk about the Illuminati, which is like this collection secret
Speaker 1: society of like the most powerful, smartest, all got all
Speaker 1: men heroes in the Marvel universe, and the Cabal is
Speaker 1: like the super villain version of that.
Speaker 2: Phase five onto Phase.
Speaker 1: Five and we go to ant Man in the Wasp
Speaker 1: quantum Mania, which is gonna come out February seventeen, twenty three.
Speaker 1: We got a poster for Quantumana, which includes a first
Speaker 1: look at Cassie Lang in full costume, which the Young
Speaker 1: Avengers are assembling before our eyes. And of course the
Speaker 1: villain this is a big deal is going to be
Speaker 1: Jonathan Majors as Kang. Apparently one of the clips they
Speaker 1: showed in the in the Hall, h Kang meets Scott
Speaker 1: and is like, you're an Avenger? Have I killed you before?
Speaker 2: Which is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Scott apparently has like a his part his his podcast
Speaker 1: and his basicly his content creation side Hustle is going
Speaker 1: to be a part of this Modoc also confirmed to appear,
Speaker 1: so fantastic, very excited for what looks to be our
Speaker 1: first real taste of Kang as a villain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we saw and they revealed a poster that
Speaker 3: had Cassie Lang recently recast Catherine Newton I believe is
Speaker 3: the actor now and she we saw her in full
Speaker 3: purple costume Stinger costume, not Stature. We thought it would
Speaker 3: be Stature because that was her Young Avengers persona and costume,
Speaker 3: but it looks like they're going for the bug theme,
Speaker 3: so that was cool. Also, apparently in the panel they
Speaker 3: showed a clip of Bill Murray's character, though they still
Speaker 3: didn't reveal his name, but he is in the Quantum Realm,
Speaker 3: which is where it seems like Cassie will meet Bill Murray,
Speaker 3: maybe Kryla according to rumors, oh and good old Kang,
Speaker 3: who we can't wait to see. Also, how's not going
Speaker 3: to play into this? I need to know Modoc Villa.
Speaker 3: That's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Who do we think built Modoc in this world? Since
Speaker 2: we haven't seen him, so we haven't seen him live yet.
Speaker 2: Is this like an AIM?
Speaker 1: I wonder if because this is here's a thing and
Speaker 1: we've talked about we've talked about that there could be
Speaker 1: we've I mean, we've talked about this before. Or one
Speaker 1: of the one of the super fun things about Marvel
Speaker 1: comics is there's always an Aim hideout somewhere in any
Speaker 1: city to be raided. These cult of crazy scientists who
Speaker 1: are looking to create super weapons and in various ways
Speaker 1: take over the world. We haven't seen Aim, of course
Speaker 1: since iron Man two, and I wonder, excuse me, iron
Speaker 1: Man three, and so I wonder if we get more
Speaker 1: Aim and then find out that one of the things
Speaker 1: they did is built Modoc, who now runs the organizations
Speaker 1: see a fucking crazy half robot.
Speaker 3: A lot of one Division seem to be pointing towards
Speaker 3: Aim with all the Beekeeper stuff because a famously wear
Speaker 3: suits that look like beekeepers, and there was a lot
Speaker 3: of aim illusion in one division, though they didn't ended
Speaker 3: up just being more to do with Hydra. But I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if we saw something around that also,
Speaker 3: like Modoc originally was from tells a suspense like ninety
Speaker 3: three and ninety four, I think is the first appearances,
Speaker 3: and that is.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: Therefore Captain America is a foil and a foe. So
Speaker 3: I wonder if we could have something where this is
Speaker 3: an old creation of Hydra or something that's kind of
Speaker 3: been in stasis or been hidden somewhere and then comes out,
Speaker 3: because that could be very fun explanation as to why
Speaker 3: he looks the way he does, because if you've never
Speaker 3: seen Modoc, he's essentially like a floating head with tiny
Speaker 3: arms and legs in a big metal head sock.
Speaker 2: He's Humpty Dumpty.
Speaker 3: He's Humpty dumpty. And it would make there's no reason
Speaker 3: that anyone would create something like that in a world
Speaker 3: where you can make a robot like Ultron now, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think having him as as an outdated but
Speaker 3: from the past brought into the future could work. Also
Speaker 3: could just be in the quantum realm. This could be
Speaker 3: something that somebody created, can could have created it, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's lots of interesting options.
Speaker 1: I will say also for the for the Sword Aim
Speaker 1: illusions in WandaVision, at least in the comics, a lot
Speaker 1: of crossover amongst the top scientists in both Shield Swords,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, at various other government agencies and the super
Speaker 1: villain super science villains community known as AIM. They there's
Speaker 1: a lot of crossover, and a lot of X Shield
Speaker 1: agents are are active AIM agents in Marvel comics, so
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if we see in live
Speaker 1: action members of Sword or even X members of Shield
Speaker 1: now out of a job joining AIM and treating this.
Speaker 3: That's that your Yeah, that's a really good point, especially
Speaker 3: because Marvels really played around even with the connections between
Speaker 3: Hydro and Shield as we know, So I think bringing
Speaker 3: in more of that confusion around who's part of what
Speaker 3: storyline and which scientists, especially Sword, is definitely up in
Speaker 3: the air post one division. And we're also you know,
Speaker 3: we just saw Diva from Miss Marvel going rogue and
Speaker 3: being fired from the Department of Damage Control, So I
Speaker 3: think that could be space for a new kind of
Speaker 3: all powerful group.
Speaker 1: Next Secret Invasion, Now, this will debut Spring twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three on Disney Plus. We're going to see Samuel Jackson
Speaker 1: back as Nick Fury. We're going to see Ben Mendelssohn
Speaker 1: as our friend Tallos. The Scroll Kobe Smolders is going
Speaker 1: to return as Maria Hill, and I hope, you know comics,
Speaker 1: Hill got a good run at the head of Shield,
Speaker 1: and I hope we get something like that, because she's
Speaker 1: got a very different style than Nick Fury.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 1: We can guess this is going to have to do
Speaker 1: with Scrolls who are probably not as friendly as our
Speaker 1: friend Tallos, who have potentially four years been on Earth
Speaker 1: posing as various people in the government and perhaps notable
Speaker 1: people not just in the government, but in the superhero
Speaker 1: community and the kind of like military community that supports
Speaker 1: the super human community. So over the course of Secret Invasion,
Speaker 1: don't be shocked to find out that people that we've
Speaker 1: been watching on Disney Plus and.
Speaker 2: The various Marvel shows are.
Speaker 1: Maybe even the movies who have been active and appearing
Speaker 1: for a while, have been Scrolls.
Speaker 2: For an unknown amount of time.
Speaker 1: Now, why is this happening, Probably because the Scroll Empire
Speaker 1: was huge is huge. And while they are going to
Speaker 1: be you know, some friendly scrolls, some scrolls that are
Speaker 1: looking to live a peaceful life, there are also going
Speaker 1: to be warlike scrolls who are looking to take out
Speaker 1: any threat to them, and one threat to them might
Speaker 1: be this planet Earth that seems to have a lot
Speaker 1: of enhanced people showing up there. So we're going to
Speaker 1: find out that people that we don't think our scrolls
Speaker 1: are actually skulls over the course of this, and.
Speaker 3: This is leading directly into another Phase five announcement, which
Speaker 3: was Thunderbolts. The Thunderbolts were essentially established as a reaction
Speaker 3: to people losing faith in heroes because of the Scroll invasion,
Speaker 3: So you can assume that from Secret Invasion, all these
Speaker 3: things through Phase five are leading to the establishment of
Speaker 3: this superhero in inverted Comma's team that was revealed in
Speaker 3: a huge shock at the time to actually be a
Speaker 3: team of supervillains. So I think that those that is
Speaker 3: the beginning and the end of Phase five, and ironically,
Speaker 3: am Man in the West Coontomania seems like it's actually
Speaker 3: setting up more of what was revealed in What's going
Speaker 3: to be in Phase six, which was revealed at the
Speaker 3: end of the panel.
Speaker 1: So all which is to say, life on six one
Speaker 1: six is about to get very, very chaotic in a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. I think you can surmise from
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion, right, you mentioned the loss of trust and heroes.
Speaker 1: Obviously no X Men news on the live action side,
Speaker 1: but as Rosie and I've discussed at length, a thing
Speaker 1: you're going to need to introduce the X Men and
Speaker 1: have them make sense in this world is a hatred
Speaker 1: and a distrust of heroes of powered people. We saw
Speaker 1: a little bit, we got some flavors of it and
Speaker 1: Miss Marvel and I think Secret Invasion is going to
Speaker 1: lead us there.
Speaker 2: The thunderbolts are.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the guess is are going to be
Speaker 1: a reaction to the kind of heroes that we have
Speaker 1: seen in the past. These are going to be the
Speaker 1: more like government brand military. The military here are heroes,
Speaker 1: not these aliens, not these weird knows He's going to be.
Speaker 1: Are super soldiers, are super spies that are going to
Speaker 1: be an answer to these uncontrollable aliens, uncontrollable you know, mutants,
Speaker 1: although nobody has really said that in terms of powered people,
Speaker 1: yet uncontrollable gods, et cetera.
Speaker 2: These are gonna be the people that we control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we are gonna know as not only just
Speaker 3: comic book fans, but also as you watch Phase five.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that they're going to be using a lot
Speaker 3: of dramatic irony to allow the viewers and the read
Speaker 3: the watches of the shows to know that the Thunderbolts
Speaker 3: are villainous characters, whether or not they might have a
Speaker 3: redemptive aspect like us Agent that is someone we can
Speaker 3: almost assume is going to be I'm still a villainous person.
Speaker 3: You know. These are the Elena. I'm like, put her
Speaker 3: on the Avengers. I feel like she's a good she's
Speaker 3: a good guy now, but like you know, she'll.
Speaker 1: I think she'll the squad and then be like, exact,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go this far, and I want to,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be that we're gonna know that
Speaker 3: they're villains, even if they don't necessarily know. And I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be really cool.
Speaker 1: Next Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. This is the
Speaker 1: final installment in this version of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 1: Team James Gunn debuted the Guardians of the Galaxy Volume
Speaker 1: three trailer.
Speaker 2: They're in Hall h former extra vision guest Chuck Woody Wouji.
Speaker 2: Yes is it came.
Speaker 1: On stage as the High Evolutionary. Wow, folks, opening the
Speaker 1: door to a potential live action debut of Rosie Knights.
Speaker 2: Number one most wanted to see character. That's right, it's Bova, folks.
Speaker 2: The legend of my Wondergre.
Speaker 6: Bova has somebody who literally is now well known in
Speaker 6: the LA film critics scene as the person who screamed
Speaker 6: when they said Mount Wondergore in Doctor Strange and whateverse
Speaker 6: of Madness screening.
Speaker 3: I got so many messages people were like that was you,
Speaker 3: wasn't it? And I was like, yes, that was me.
Speaker 3: I could not be happier. This casting is stunning. It
Speaker 3: had been rumored. The costume looks amazing. The High Evolutionary
Speaker 3: is Marvel's maddest scientist.
Speaker 2: He is super weird mad science.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He debuted in Thor, which seems really unexpected in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six, But from the beginning from the outset
Speaker 3: when he was first appeared, he was immediately connected to
Speaker 3: Wander and Pietro Maximov. They were on the hunt for
Speaker 3: why their mutant powers weren't were fading, and they were
Speaker 3: headed to Mount Wondergore. They're in a very brief, few
Speaker 3: panels appearance, which is so funny because on the cover
Speaker 3: they're like Quicksilver in the Skulet, which in the most
Speaker 3: useless brief appearance of all time, and it became this
Speaker 3: huge part of their law in that it's a Jack
Speaker 3: Kebby Stanley issue. So wonder Gore is very much in
Speaker 3: the image of what we saw Chuck Woody wearing this
Speaker 3: purple Jack Kirby esque cosmic costume, so they're obviously going
Speaker 3: that way. It's very relevant to what the Guardians are
Speaker 3: doing because this is also going to introduce Adam Warlock.
Speaker 3: He was teased in the stinger of Guardians of the
Speaker 3: Galaxy Volume two, but in the comics, in that part
Speaker 3: of the movie, he was in his cocoon phase. In
Speaker 3: the comics he's known as him and when he's in
Speaker 3: his cocoon phase, him is found by the High Evolutionary
Speaker 3: who names him Adam and raises him, and that is
Speaker 3: likely what we're going to see in Guardians of the
Speaker 3: Galaxy Volume three. This is just this is so cool and.
Speaker 1: We are and we should add with the High Evolutionary.
Speaker 1: You laid it out there, with the High Evolutionary's connection
Speaker 1: to both genetic engineering, high tech super advanced genetic experimentation,
Speaker 1: and with their retcon many many times, but still connection
Speaker 1: to Pietro and Wanda.
Speaker 2: Here are more it means.
Speaker 1: Somebody described it, here's more mutant stuff. Somebody on my
Speaker 1: Twitter and I forget who, and I'm sorry described it
Speaker 1: as even though there's no X Men stuff, it's like
Speaker 1: evidence of a black hole.
Speaker 2: You can see all the stuff.
Speaker 1: Or you can't see it, but you can see all
Speaker 1: the stuff around it. And that's what the High Evolutionary is. Apparently,
Speaker 1: it's more evidence of this black hole that is the
Speaker 1: X Men out there, and.
Speaker 3: It actually makes it's really smart to do it this way,
Speaker 3: right because Thor wasn't the right place in the end,
Speaker 3: because of the way that Thor stories end up going,
Speaker 3: and I love them, so I'm so happy, but to
Speaker 3: introduce him as a cosmic being first, and then to
Speaker 3: later explain his human origins who he used to be,
Speaker 3: the story of the High Evolutionary of Herber, the man
Speaker 3: who wanted to evolve humanity and who did all these
Speaker 3: wild experiments until he met an inhuman scientist who had
Speaker 3: gone rogue who told him how to break the genetic code.
Speaker 3: That is in line with the comics. So I think
Speaker 3: Guardians of Galaxy three, we'll see high evolutionary, We'll see
Speaker 3: Adam Warlock, and then later on, as we get closer
Speaker 3: to the X Men Black Hole, we will start to
Speaker 3: see more of those connections becoming clearer more.
Speaker 1: Phase five we saw the graphics at least on that
Speaker 1: big Kevin Fagge Tony Stark super formula map for Loki
Speaker 1: Season two Echo, which is going to continue to widen
Speaker 1: out the kind of street level adventures of our Marvel heroes,
Speaker 1: the Marvels continuing the Miss Marvel adventure in a team format.
Speaker 1: Blade in Theaters saw no footage, but I just can't
Speaker 1: wait for I want to see that Ironheart on Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: which is going to be the continuing adventures we would expect. Williams,
Speaker 1: who one of, if not the smartest person in the
Speaker 1: Morn Comics universe, Agatha Coven of Chaos, which is gonna
Speaker 1: spring out of the events of WandaVision Captain American New
Speaker 1: World Order in Theaters and then this shocked me.
Speaker 2: This shocked me.
Speaker 3: And I saw the news, I yelled, Jason loocked me.
Speaker 1: Daredevil Born Again Spring twenty twenty four on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: And it's eighteen episodes. So what does this mean. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I think this means. We're getting a
Speaker 1: We're getting a Daredevil. First of all, we're getting a
Speaker 1: Daredevil Netflix format series on Disney Plus. And irrespective of
Speaker 1: what the kind of like week to week adventures are,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a big old showdown with
Speaker 1: our friend Wilson Fisk, who was introduced to Disney Plus
Speaker 1: in the events of Hawkeye. The Hawkeye series, Daredevil Born
Speaker 1: Again Frank Miller, David Matsucelli simply one of the greatest.
Speaker 2: Comic arcs out there. Pick it up. It's fantastic. And
Speaker 2: I can't believe we're going to see a version of this, David,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: Well, I know we talk about Maza Kelly's art all
Speaker 3: the time, but it's unbelievable. This is a very seminal
Speaker 3: and controversial story, but the thing that is important from
Speaker 3: it is this is a story about Wilson Fisk, Kingpin,
Speaker 3: trying to destroy Matt Murdoch's life on every level. On
Speaker 3: a personal level, on a business level, on a professional level,
Speaker 3: on a heroic level. That is what I think will
Speaker 3: one hundred percent be translated. Now what I'm very interested
Speaker 3: to see. They haven't announced that Debra Awn Waller is
Speaker 3: coming back as Karen Page, but this is a Karen
Speaker 3: Page story, so she is coming back. That's my prediction.
Speaker 3: In the Netflix Deaed Devil show, they actually adapted something
Speaker 3: from Born Again in a far more empathetic and thoughtful way,
Speaker 3: which is Karen has a past as an addict, now
Speaker 3: indebed evil Born Again, Karen falls into addiction and becomes
Speaker 3: a sex worker, and that's used against Matt by Kingpin.
Speaker 3: I would I'm very interested to see. I feel like
Speaker 3: you can't do Born Again without Kingpin exploiting Karen. But
Speaker 3: I wonder if what they'll do is to tie it
Speaker 3: into the Netflix. He will be using things from her
Speaker 3: past to try and destroy their life now, rather than
Speaker 3: seeing Karen fall off the wagon or go through the
Speaker 3: kind of horrendous things that happened to her and Born Again,
Speaker 3: I wonder if it will be Kingpin using things from
Speaker 3: her past as that personal way to destroy her.
Speaker 2: Let me.
Speaker 1: Similarly, one of the one of the hallmarks of Derder
Speaker 1: Born again. The comic version is the appearance of one
Speaker 1: of the experiments that were that came out of the
Speaker 1: Sprawling super Soldier program. This is a extremely deranged, mentally unstable,
Speaker 1: psycho killer super Soldier named Nuke who has an American
Speaker 1: flag on their face. I wonder if we either a
Speaker 1: get Nuke, the pill popping crazy super soldier who then
Speaker 1: goes on a rampage across New York as the Kingpin
Speaker 1: tries to draw Daredevil out, or if we get US
Speaker 1: Agent for a steeredevil.
Speaker 3: I wonder too, because Nuke. There was a version of
Speaker 3: Nuke that appeared in Jessica Jones yep in a very
Speaker 3: toned down I wonder if, like you said, I think
Speaker 3: you could do something very interesting with combining Nuke and
Speaker 3: US Agent into a foe for this because now even
Speaker 3: out Standerbolts, which was the last thing on this slate,
Speaker 3: I believe that those I believe that they will still
Speaker 3: pull the rugout from the viewers feet, as they did
Speaker 3: with the Thunderbolts. Was sold as a superhero team and
Speaker 3: then it was revealed in the pages of the comics
Speaker 3: that they were actually villains. And I think we could
Speaker 3: see something along the lines of that here, and having
Speaker 3: us Agent as an antagonist to Dad Evil would be
Speaker 3: a great way of setting that.
Speaker 1: Now Thunderbolts July twenty six, twenty twenty four in theaters,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it a little bit. We can assume
Speaker 1: from what we've seen on the Disney Plus side and
Speaker 1: some of the other Stingers, Black Widow, et cetera, that
Speaker 1: Julia Louis Dreyfus's character the Contessa, like Redyfontaine, will be
Speaker 1: assembling this team of anti heroes slash straight up villains
Speaker 1: pretending to be heroes, which leads me to wonder if
Speaker 1: we're setting up something like and people have heard us
Speaker 1: discuss this before, but a dark green paradigm as we
Speaker 1: head into to Phase six, right, at some point, you're
Speaker 1: gonna need to put these heroes, as we saw in
Speaker 1: the Infinity Saga, on their heels. Maybe Thunderbolts is a
Speaker 1: reaction to that. We're gonna see the human governments just
Speaker 1: absolutely fed up at this point with the destruction, with
Speaker 1: the flouting of the Cecovia Corps, with all the fucking bullshit,
Speaker 1: with all the new super people popping up that nobody
Speaker 1: can control.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows who they are.
Speaker 1: Some of them are teenagers and Jersey City there and they're.
Speaker 2: Out here and nobody can control them. We need our heroes.
Speaker 2: And more than that, we.
Speaker 1: Need a governmental uh strategy and plan uh and people
Speaker 1: within the highest reaches of government who are going to
Speaker 1: hunt heroes, take them, uh, you know, imprison them if
Speaker 1: need be, and hold them to a lawful standard if
Speaker 1: they don't say register or if they don't become part
Speaker 1: of this government program to basically nationalize heroes.
Speaker 2: Uh. I wonder if we're going to see something like that.
Speaker 3: I think so. I also think something that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about a lot since this Spider Man
Speaker 3: announcement with Freshman Year is I wonder in Norman Osborne
Speaker 3: is inherently connected to Dark Grain in the comics I
Speaker 3: Wonder and Yeah and Thunderbox. Willem Dafoe, as as Norman
Speaker 3: Osborne in no way Home claimed Harry doesn't exist here,
Speaker 3: doesn't look he was. He was nice in some moments,
Speaker 3: but he's still the Green Goblin. I wonder if he
Speaker 3: was just lying like I wonder if he was just
Speaker 3: he wanted to just protect whatever version of his time
Speaker 3: him and his son were on this earth. I actually
Speaker 3: think that could be very smart. It wasn't. That wasn't
Speaker 3: a concrete establishment of Cannon. That was a covering up
Speaker 3: for his version, his six one six shall we call it,
Speaker 3: version of himself and Harry, who potentially do exist in
Speaker 3: this world and who at this moment Norman could be
Speaker 3: putting together the team. He could be the puppet master
Speaker 3: behind Contessa.
Speaker 1: Ever since Benedict Cumberbatch came out and said, I am
Speaker 1: not con in the second Star Trek movies, I don't
Speaker 1: believe anything any actor says because they got to say
Speaker 1: some stuff. Sometimes they just have to. So take William Dafoe,
Speaker 1: the Great William Dafoe's comments with a grain of salt,
Speaker 1: and we will see what happens. Now we're on the
Speaker 1: Phase six and this is the Multiverse saga. First Fantastic
Speaker 1: four and Overber eighth. We just got the we saw
Speaker 1: the graphics and can't wait. Phase six is the basically
Speaker 1: the climax of the Multiverse saga, and it starts with
Speaker 1: Fantastic four Novermber eighth, twenty twenty four. Big question here
Speaker 1: is are they from an Aulter dimension? Are they from
Speaker 1: our dimension? Or how does this happen, But I can't
Speaker 1: wait to find out if it's multiverse. I would not
Speaker 1: at all be shocked if the Fantastic Four appear in
Speaker 1: six one six because of the experiment that gave them
Speaker 1: powers opened a hole to another dimension.
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, yea here and they're the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3: Also, they're just in the quantum realm or the negative
Speaker 3: zone that somebody finds like, there's so many ways, and
Speaker 3: I think that makes the most sense for where we're
Speaker 3: at now, and the fact this is called the multiverse saga,
Speaker 3: and the fact that we have Kang the Conqueror. I
Speaker 3: don't think Marvel needs to do the hole well that
Speaker 3: you know, Captain America had retired, so then these people
Speaker 3: thought we'll go to space and try and become Superos
Speaker 3: or whatever version you'd have to retroactively do to fit
Speaker 3: them into the MCU. Now, I think a multiverse or
Speaker 3: Fantastic Four fits.
Speaker 2: With the team, fits fits with the.
Speaker 3: World, and would be really fun. I want to see
Speaker 3: the Fantastic Four as already established heroes. You know, that's
Speaker 3: that's so much fun to see.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they that movie will be followed up on May second,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five by Avengers King Dynasty, helmed by Destined
Speaker 1: Daniel Criton, who of course directed Hung Chi and the
Speaker 1: Legend of the Ten Rings. This if we can, you know,
Speaker 1: using Infinity War End Game as kind of a map,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the Kang Wins movie.
Speaker 2: Council.
Speaker 1: I would expect to see the Council of Kang's I
Speaker 1: would expect to see Kang triumphant, and I would expect
Speaker 1: to see Kang put our heroes. I mean, honestly, I
Speaker 1: think Kang kills a lot of Marvel heroes. Just because
Speaker 1: of where we are in the evolution of the MCU,
Speaker 1: I think Kang is gonna he is going to end
Speaker 1: a lot of our heroes.
Speaker 3: I agree. And the there's a comic book. It's really interesting,
Speaker 3: both of the Avengers movies that they announced. We'll get
Speaker 3: to the next one yet and it's another we were right, uh,
Speaker 3: but the Kang Dynasty that actually is the title of
Speaker 3: a comic book, as asked. You know, Marvel loves to
Speaker 3: do that. And it can be anywhere as it can
Speaker 3: be anywhere as directly taken from as Winter Soldier, which
Speaker 3: is so close to the comic, or it can be
Speaker 3: civil War, which is much more loose, or you know,
Speaker 3: it can be Infinity War, which is very different to
Speaker 3: the comics. So there is a storyline called Kang Dynasty
Speaker 3: also known as Kangwar by Kirk Booziak with Alan Davis
Speaker 3: Kirngui I recommend it, Ivan Reese, and that the kind
Speaker 3: of general summation of it, which I think is very
Speaker 3: likely it's happened in the MCU, is like Kang basically
Speaker 3: goes to the UN and is like, Hey, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take over the world to save you from yourselves
Speaker 3: and stop every other bad timeline. So it kind of
Speaker 3: leans into the TVA of it all and what we've
Speaker 3: already seen. I don't think it's going to be directly that,
Speaker 3: but I do think it's going to be Kang coming,
Speaker 3: like you said, killing a ton of heroes and basically
Speaker 3: saying you don't need them. I'm here now, let's work
Speaker 3: it out. Let's see what we can do to because
Speaker 3: Kang's always coming at it from the idea like kind
Speaker 3: of like low Ki in the original Avengers. It's like
Speaker 3: kind of benefactor. I'm gonna be a terrible fascist leader
Speaker 3: who takes over everything, But it's going to be better
Speaker 3: for you, I promise, I promise. So I think it'll
Speaker 3: be really interesting to see. And I love that they
Speaker 3: they announced Destin Daniel Cratton as a director for this.
Speaker 3: I think that is so cool because I was a
Speaker 3: big fan. Well, we were both big fans of Shang
Speaker 3: Chi obviously, So a.
Speaker 1: Lot of Avengers are going to die in this movie,
Speaker 1: and then it will be followed up by Avengers Secret Wars.
Speaker 1: So listen, we've already seen some incursions, we've seen visualizations
Speaker 1: of incursions. We've heard Dimension most recently, and Doctor Stranger
Speaker 1: of the Multiverse of mad As we understand it's a
Speaker 1: thing that can happen over the course of King Dynasty.
Speaker 1: We're guessing the end of King Dynasty is gonna be
Speaker 1: incursion after incursion after incursion, in the final kind of
Speaker 1: collapse of the multiverse into a single point. Avenger's Secret
Speaker 1: War is going to take place in that single point,
Speaker 1: probably a warped version of reality ruled by question Mark,
Speaker 1: ruled by Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2: We will have we don't know.
Speaker 3: Fantastic potentially, but yeah, you know, in the most recent
Speaker 3: Secret Wars arc, which we talk about a lot, Jonathan
Speaker 3: Hickman and Asaravich like we talk about that because there
Speaker 3: is this notion that they used for a huge limewide event,
Speaker 3: but also in the story of Battle World where all
Speaker 3: these different communities and dimensions are put onto one Earth
Speaker 3: and they have to fight each other. We have been
Speaker 3: seeing them establish something along those lines, as we've talked
Speaker 3: about on the podcast, with multiple secret societies in different
Speaker 3: spaces and different fighting styles. And the most interesting thing
Speaker 3: about this at all, as comic book nerds like we are,
Speaker 3: this very much follows the rules of comic books. The
Speaker 3: multiverse saga. We have talked a lot. Oh, they keep
Speaker 3: introducing these multiverses. The multiverse exists, Does it not exist?
Speaker 3: They're closing the time loop. No, this is the multiverse saga.
Speaker 3: Every movie from now on and has been is going
Speaker 3: to have something to do with the multiverse, and it's
Speaker 3: because they want you to know how big the world is.
Speaker 3: All these different characters can come in mutants, fantastic for
Speaker 3: whoever you need, Norman Osborne, Harry Osborne. And then when
Speaker 3: Secret Wars comes, they will be able to streamline, as
Speaker 3: they did with the comics, all their universes and take
Speaker 3: in the things that they want to keep and get
Speaker 3: us and the things that they don't and we will
Speaker 3: have what is essentially a new MCU and a new phase.
Speaker 2: Let's give DC there.
Speaker 1: Perhaps this is the infinite This is the crisis on
Speaker 1: Infinite Earth's method.
Speaker 3: Yes, everything exactly DC has been you know, this is
Speaker 3: the constant ebb and flow of DC and Marvel. But
Speaker 3: DC is definitely established. You know, we've mentioned it before.
Speaker 3: DC established an understanding of what the multiverse was for
Speaker 3: moms watching the CW years before Marvel even considered it. Like,
Speaker 3: there is a cultural literacy around this term because of
Speaker 3: the work of DC and Marvel, And it's definitely the
Speaker 3: crisis on Infinite Earth's idea of streamlining. And also, even
Speaker 3: though they only mentioned three movies, this is a false slate.
Speaker 3: It had the full Kevin Figy Tony Stark timeline. So
Speaker 3: there are multiple movies and projects that we don't know
Speaker 3: about yet. My guess D twenty three in September we
Speaker 3: will probably find those out, yes, but for now, these
Speaker 3: are the three. I mean. Also, Avenger's Secret Wars comes
Speaker 3: out literally like just months after Kang Dynasty, so they're
Speaker 3: looking to make two billion that year.
Speaker 1: Now we don't know who will even be on these
Speaker 1: Avengers teams. First, I should know, let's read this quote
Speaker 1: from Kevin Faggy talking about why only two Avengers movies
Speaker 1: and at the end basically of the phases that were announced, quote,
Speaker 1: you know, we realize it's very different than Phase one,
Speaker 1: two three, that there are more projects and less years,
Speaker 1: and therefore it didn't seem right to culminate. We're not
Speaker 1: going to culminate every ten months in an Avengers movie.
Speaker 1: And each of the films themselves now has become quite
Speaker 1: big in across our events in many ways, and after
Speaker 1: the creative experience we had with Infinity Warren Endgame, it
Speaker 1: felt like it was about capping a saga, saving back
Speaker 1: to back Avengers films for the completion of a saga.
Speaker 1: And that's really what we wanted to lay out. So
Speaker 1: let's just again get irresponsible fan casting wise. Who's going
Speaker 1: to be on these Avengers teams? Who do we we
Speaker 1: see here?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I Shangchi is going to be on the
Speaker 2: Shangxi is gonna be on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that the Kang Dynasty is probably going
Speaker 3: to be a Thunderbolt Stark Avengers team that's probably not
Speaker 3: going to do a very good job.
Speaker 2: And fucking yeah wiped out by Keg.
Speaker 3: I think it could happen, you know, and then as suit,
Speaker 3: I think that we're in an era. If we look
Speaker 3: at the movies that have been announced, there was a
Speaker 3: there was an era of the Avengers just post Marvel now,
Speaker 3: which was a big line wide relaunch in like twenty
Speaker 3: twelve went on. That's where Miss Marvel comes from. That's
Speaker 3: where the amazing Jane Mcalviy, Cure and Gillen young Avengers
Speaker 3: era comes from. I think there was an era of
Speaker 3: Avengers around that time which had Sam Wilson as Captain America,
Speaker 3: who we know is about to be Captain America in
Speaker 3: New World Order. Captain Marvel was on that team. Miss
Speaker 3: Marvel was on that team. I think that there I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily know that they're going to have someone as
Speaker 3: young as Miss Marvel, but I think we could see
Speaker 3: a world where there's going to be legacy heroes. We
Speaker 3: could see a Monica Rambo on the team, Sam Wilson
Speaker 3: on the team, Shane definitely, Kate Bishop Hawkeye. I think
Speaker 3: that we're going to get to see multiple Avengers teams
Speaker 3: because they is going to be multiple threats. Kang is
Speaker 3: not just a singular being. As we know in the comics,
Speaker 3: he's taken on many forms. So I think that we're
Speaker 3: going to have a failed Dark Avengers Thunderbolt style team,
Speaker 3: then an Avengers team. But then I also by the
Speaker 3: time that we get to Secret Wars, I think we're
Speaker 3: talking about West Coast Avengers, Young Avengers, New Avengers. I
Speaker 3: think everybody, everyone who's in their different location will I
Speaker 3: think King Create.
Speaker 1: I think King Dynasty, much like the comics where it
Speaker 1: probably comes from, We're going to see, to your point,
Speaker 1: we're going to see fighting in multiple timelines. We're going
Speaker 1: to see fighting in the farthest in past, right, a
Speaker 1: team that goes back into the past to maybe try
Speaker 1: and head off Kang before he becomes King. We're going
Speaker 1: to see a team fighting King in the quote unquote present,
Speaker 1: trying to hold off whatever he's trying to do, and
Speaker 1: probably the Fantastic Four, somebody fighting Ya in the future.
Speaker 1: And again it's going to be we predict it's going
Speaker 1: to be a bloodbath.
Speaker 2: And that's it. That was a lot.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I just want to say the last thing.
Speaker 3: I do think, so I do know that I do
Speaker 3: think that the X Men thing is a big gap,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of gaps in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I think that Secret Wars, speaking of teams, could be
Speaker 3: a space to see the X Men, because if we
Speaker 3: look back to the original eighties Secret Wars, that was
Speaker 3: really the first big lime wide crossover where you've got
Speaker 3: X Men, Avengers, all these different teams together. So that
Speaker 3: would be I would love to see a pre Secret
Speaker 3: Wars X Men movie in twenty twenty five, but I
Speaker 3: actually think that might be the smart bet for where
Speaker 3: we're going to see the official X Men rather than mutants.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Now, some of you had questions, and some of them
Speaker 1: are very good ones that touch on a bunch of
Speaker 1: the stuff where we're talking about, and some of the
Speaker 1: questions certainly arise from the various news drops from a
Speaker 1: hall h Let's start with Trevor, who asks, is the
Speaker 1: Kang from Loki actually dead or is that the same
Speaker 1: Kang We'll see an ant Man, the Wasp three and beyond,
Speaker 1: or always see multiple Kangs since Loki Kang said him
Speaker 1: being alive at the TVA were the only things holding
Speaker 1: each multiverse. A'd pay this is a great question.
Speaker 2: This is the question that's the question.
Speaker 3: It's the question.
Speaker 1: So I mean Rosie wanted you lay it up. But basically, Trevor,
Speaker 1: I think you got it that Kang is dead. But
Speaker 1: there are many many Kings. Yea, many Kangs.
Speaker 3: If you're going rather than digging deep into the comics,
Speaker 3: which I do love to do, so please go and
Speaker 3: look up Kang. He's so much fun. There's so many Kangs.
Speaker 3: They could have an infinite number of Kangs in this
Speaker 3: MCU if you base it on the comics. But as
Speaker 3: you so smartly said, Trevor, if you look just at
Speaker 3: Loki and the moment where he's showing that his descendant
Speaker 3: or his ancestor worked out how to go to the multiverse,
Speaker 3: and then it's all these different Kangs going throughout the timelines.
Speaker 3: Without the existence of the TVA and the pruning, we
Speaker 3: can assume that those Kangs all now exist the cart us,
Speaker 3: all different types of Kang. My I have a personal
Speaker 3: theory that I hope is what we're going to see
Speaker 3: in Quantumania. I don't know how true this is going
Speaker 3: to be, ok, I hope that the Kang that they
Speaker 3: meet there at least begins as an ally and then
Speaker 3: becomes the antagonist because I think that'd be a really
Speaker 3: interesting journey. I also wonder if the Kang that we
Speaker 3: see in Quantumania who is in the Quantum Realm is
Speaker 3: the descendant or ancestor of Kang who discovered the multiverse,
Speaker 3: because it seems like the timeline would work out and
Speaker 3: then we end up in this core referential loop. But
Speaker 3: basically I doubt that He who Remains will be the
Speaker 3: Kang that we see in A Man and the Quantumania.
Speaker 3: But I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw He
Speaker 3: who Remains again much further down the line, returning to
Speaker 3: help fight.
Speaker 1: As I guess that you know. One of the questions
Speaker 1: the key a listener Katie had it was he who
Speaker 1: remains lying about being the Kang that defeated all the Kangs.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that make any other version of King we see
Speaker 1: less formal?
Speaker 3: No? I love that question there.
Speaker 1: It's a great question. The thing you've got to realize
Speaker 1: about Kang is like he's done all of this like
Speaker 1: infinite amount of times. It's like playing through a video
Speaker 1: game as many times as you want to play through
Speaker 1: it to understand how exactly it works. And that is
Speaker 1: he who remains a more refined version control freaky version
Speaker 1: of Kang who's thought about every possible angle to the
Speaker 1: story as he lays out there in Loki.
Speaker 2: Now, the other versions of.
Speaker 1: Kang maybe haven't laid out all the angles, but they're
Speaker 1: also just like a lot more warlike than he who remains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, also as well, if you think about it, am
Speaker 3: I getting into time loop stuff now? Which is fine
Speaker 3: and tin lines an MCU multi vast. Technically, if every
Speaker 3: single verse of the timeline existed, there is a version
Speaker 3: where someone beat he who remains Even if the version
Speaker 3: that we ended up in and Loki was a version
Speaker 3: where he who remains one, there are other versions of
Speaker 3: Kang who will have defeated him in other timelines. That's
Speaker 3: just the nature of timelines and the infinite timeline kind
Speaker 3: of theory. So it's really fun, and I love that
Speaker 3: you guys are asking these questions because these are absolutely
Speaker 3: the questions that are going to be driving forward Kang's
Speaker 3: story arcs we as we go into these phases.
Speaker 1: Cody asks, is Armor War's gone? If so, how does
Speaker 1: this affect your sentinel theory?
Speaker 2: Code? Armors is not gone, Rosie, you have.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was as you can imagine number one Armor's sad.
Speaker 3: I was actually really worried. But you see Leicester, who
Speaker 3: is the showrunner of Armores, did a very funny postwag
Speaker 3: just says, I promise it is coming out and posted
Speaker 3: a picture of Rody in the armor. My gut says,
Speaker 3: because of how quickly Secret Invasion is coming out, much
Speaker 3: sooner than any of us thought, right, I think Armor
Speaker 3: Wars will be revealed sooner rather than later, perhaps as
Speaker 3: a surprise drop or further down the line than we thought.
Speaker 3: But I think I was really happy to see that
Speaker 3: was still confirmed. Yeah, and I think Armor was going
Speaker 3: to play a big part into the Sentinels. I also
Speaker 3: think that they're establishing weirder parts of the MCU law,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of fun ways they could go.
Speaker 3: But so far we've confirmed it's still happening, and I'm
Speaker 3: very excited for it.
Speaker 1: And so for those of you who have not heard
Speaker 1: our Sentinel theory, the Sentinel theory is that the Stark
Speaker 1: drones used by Damage Control to hunt Kamala, etc. Are
Speaker 1: a early, early, early precursor to what will become the
Speaker 1: Sentinel program. I think that's still on the table, and
Speaker 1: obviously with the long kind of timeline before we get
Speaker 1: to any near an X Men team. I think there's
Speaker 1: plenty of time for that, for that technology and that
Speaker 1: storyline to develop. And then Thomas asks, we had Infinity Saga,
Speaker 1: then Multi Versaga, what do we have next? Need to
Speaker 1: know what happens by twenty thirty, Well, I mean, like
Speaker 1: I think what will happen? Expect that they're going to
Speaker 1: introduce the X Men right after this, I think seven
Speaker 1: or eight day and we're going to have a lot
Speaker 1: of our original talent off the board, probably all of them, right,
Speaker 1: and maybe Sam Jackson still around, but most of them
Speaker 1: will be gone. And I think what you're going to
Speaker 1: see is a reorientation of the MCU around the X Men.
Speaker 1: It's going to be X Men stories that are kind
Speaker 1: of like running things, less so Avengers stories. And I
Speaker 1: think listen, one of the big comic crossover events in
Speaker 1: the Marvel in Marvel of the last deck Aid plus
Speaker 1: or so was Avengers versus x Men. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised in an x saga and the emergency
Speaker 1: if we have you know, we have the emergence of mutants,
Speaker 1: the globe panicked by all these superpowered people, appearing if
Speaker 1: we don't have a showdown of some sort between the
Speaker 1: X Men and the Avengers.
Speaker 3: No, I think you're absolutely right, and I think you
Speaker 3: really summed it up. I think that for that to happen,
Speaker 3: the Mutant saga, it is X Men stories, Mutant stories,
Speaker 3: everything and everything else is on the outskirts to the
Speaker 3: point where we'll probably it will probably almost feel jarring,
Speaker 3: but in a good way. And I think that your
Speaker 3: penultimate or ultimate movie there is Avengers versus X Men
Speaker 3: because Magneto is doing too much, Charles is doing too much.
Speaker 3: They're both doing too much all the time in the comics,
Speaker 3: but hypothetically one of them is doing too much. Maybe
Speaker 3: the emergence of Crocola as it exists now, which is
Speaker 3: like a planet where the X Men live. You know,
Speaker 3: there's lots of different ways that an Avengers team could
Speaker 3: see the X Men as a threat and then post
Speaker 3: that you can have the world I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people have wanted since two thousand and eight, which
Speaker 3: is you would have your twenty thirty onwards would be
Speaker 3: X Men and Avengers together in the MCU. That's it
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: Big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining us.
Speaker 1: Today Rosie plugs, plugs, plugs, plugs, plugs, plugs, plugs, what
Speaker 1: do you gotta plug?
Speaker 3: Oh, if you want to know more about this stuff,
Speaker 3: I will. I will have big explainers going up on
Speaker 3: Nerdict about Churi High Evolutionary. They'll actually probably all be
Speaker 3: up by the time you listen to this. Also about
Speaker 3: the Thunderbolts. I will have a really cool vibe check
Speaker 3: piece that should be up at Polygon. There will be
Speaker 3: some other cool stuff going on. Oh my god' Silla
Speaker 3: comic It comes out actually really, it's going to be
Speaker 3: out on Wednesday, August the third, which is very exciting.
Speaker 3: We're going to go and next week I guess we
Speaker 3: should be able to tell you about the care giveaway
Speaker 3: that we're going to do and you can go to
Speaker 3: your comic shop and buy that you can enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we will be. I'm doing two different signings in
Speaker 3: I'm doing a signing at Nostalgic Comics, which is in
Speaker 3: San Gabriel with Mark Martinez is my very good friend
Speaker 3: who is the cover artist of the book, and Oliver
Speaker 3: Owner who is the interior artist, and that will be
Speaker 3: from twelve till three on Wednesday, the day that The
Speaker 3: comic comes out Wednesday, the third of August, and then
Speaker 3: on Saturday, the sixth of August. I know dates. We
Speaker 3: will be doing a massive Godzilla Day at my local
Speaker 3: comic book shop, Pulp Fiction, where it be all kinds
Speaker 3: of artists. You can come and buy the comic, you
Speaker 3: can get some cool Godzilla art, you can have fun,
Speaker 3: you can say hello. So those are two really cool
Speaker 3: things that are coming up. If you want to find me,
Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram, Rosie Marx also Letterbox. That's my only
Speaker 3: two social medias. So yeah and yeah, obviously.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for God'silla to cons That's going to
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