1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. Have you stolen anything today? Well? I hope not, 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: because that's wrong. There's a real condition called kleptomania, and 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: on December seventeen, two thousand nine, we were inspired to 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: research and talk about it, and that's what I decided 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: to go with this week for the Stuff you Should Know, 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: select the episode Cleptomania, very fascinating condition. Don't steal everyone, 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: You can steal this podcast, That's what I say. It's 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: free anyway, but just steal it. Take it home, put 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: it in your pocket, and don't tell anybody. Welcome to 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, the Chuck, 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: The Chuck. The Chuck is on fire. How you doing, Chuck? 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: You've been sitting on that one for a while, just 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: since yesterday. We've actually have not recorded in two weeks, 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that Josh has been planning 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: that for two weeks. I just told you. I came 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: up with it yesterday. I was listening to your sweet 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: boys while I sweat, and you have floors in my house, okay, 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: and you think of dog here, you think of me? 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: And I thought like I thought it was your voice 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: that made me think of you chee Um. I thought, Man, 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: I've been opening up the show pretty boring wise lately. 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you're talking about this now then. Yeah, anyway, Chuck, 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: how you doing good sir? It has been a long time, 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: hasn't it? Okay? So, UM, you know it's stealing season, buddy, 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? It pretty much kicks off in November 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: and really goes up through the roof on what Black Friday. 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: It's much more difficult to steal during Cyber Monday, but uh, yeah, 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: as Christmas comes around, people love to steal. People love 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: to hold people up with guns, knives, sorts of physical violence, 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Wow, that's this is inspiring. Yeah, 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: it is, UM. And actually it turns out that this 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: stealing season will probably be worse than usual because there 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: was a report really east UM called the Global Retail 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Theft Barometer, and it was released UM mid November a 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: couple of weeks back, the g r TP. Yeah I'm 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: a fan, I know you are, UM, and it said 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: that this year, UM businesses have lost Retail businesses have 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: lost a hundred and fifteen billion dollars worldwide from stealing 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: from theft. What what's America? Do you have that billion? Wow? 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Because in our article it says ten billion. Ten billion 42 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: is like an average, so that's a huge increation. It is. 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: Actually I'll tell you what. Usually, UM there, I guess 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: there's an increase every year, and usually worldwide, uh, it 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: increases by about one point five I wonder if that's 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: some direct relation to the cost of goods increasing. I 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: think that that actually does have something to do with it. 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: In this time article I read UM this year, uh 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: six percent increase worldwide, and in America North America, there's 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: an eight point one percent increase. So people are just 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: stealing left right, and they they the authors of the 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: study UM, the Center for Retail Research apparently talked to cops, 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: talked to shoplifters, UM, and said, you know what's going on? 54 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: They talked to shoplifters. How so do you know people 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: who've been busted for shopling? Okay, I thought you meant 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: that had not been caught. No, they just hang around 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: Macy's and are like, you look like a shoplifter, you 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: scuzz ball, or I saw what you did and I 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: won't report you if you answer these fine questions exactly 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: and give me a sawbuck. Um, what what is that? 61 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: A twenty? I think we've gone over this before. I 62 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: think it's a fiber Okay, so um, no, it's a ten. 63 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: I bet we get some listener mill and I bet 64 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: it's either a five or ten. Um so chuck. Where 65 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: they found from talking to these people is that there 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: is an increase in um, the perception that companies are 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: making off with all this money during while everybody else 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: is having hard times, and so they kind of feel 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: justified in stealing. And they're seeing a much a rise 70 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: in the middle class stealing people who can afford stuff 71 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: and just aren't paying um. And apparently this of this 72 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: victimless crime, that's kind of another perception. So you're stealing 73 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: from a giant corporation. Uh, in the United States, we 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: paid an extra four hundred and thirty six bucks a 75 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: household in consumer goods prices. Yeah, that's what happens. Yeah, 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: same with credit card fraud, the shrinkage along right, Yeah, 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: same with credit card fraud. That's why, I mean, that's 78 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: not all why, but one reason why the interest rates 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: are so sky high, because people say, I'll just charge 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and not pay it insurance fraud. 81 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: It's just it's just, you know, that's stupid. In that 82 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: stupid credit card company is going to take the hit, 83 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: but they don't, although they should they but they don't. 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: They don't take a hit. They pass it all along. 85 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Of course they do. That's how it works. We're all slaves, chuck, suckers. Anyway, 86 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: somewhere in that those those statistics I just um, you know, 87 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: spewed out. But um, there are a very tiny pop 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: percentage of that population that are kleptomaniacs. I feel like 89 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: I just gave birth to a watermelon, a square watermelon. Um, yes, Josh, 90 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: kleptomania is not exactly In fact, it's not at all shoplifting. 91 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Shoplifting is the means by which you would perform your kleptomania. 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: That's an excellent definition, Chuck. And I've read this article too, 93 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: and I know that that was not in there. That 94 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: was a special I just made it up. Yeah, although 95 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: I would say you could steal from anyone and that 96 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: would be klepto me. It didn't have to be a store. Yeah, 97 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: but apparently, um, it is generally stores or parties. But yeah, 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: if you're gonna steal from another from an individual. It's 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: usually at a party, I think, um, but it generally 100 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: is retailers. Let's what what differentiates kleptomaniacs from shoplifters. Well, 101 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: there's actually a definition, as outlined by the American Psychiatric 102 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Associations Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, right, that 103 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: says that, Uh, they outline this criteria, Josh. The individual 104 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: repeatedly fails to resist the impulse to steal items that 105 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: are not needed for personal use or monetary value. That's 106 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: number one. Uh. The individual experiences tension before stealing. Uh. 107 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: The tension is relieved after stealing, and the theft does 108 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: not due to anger, revenge, delusions, hallucinations, or impaired judgment. Um, 109 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: and I think there's Yeah, there's one more. Psychological disorders 110 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: can't account for the stealing behaviors different other psychological disorders. 111 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: That's still a little play acting. Oh I love this, Okay, Um, 112 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a kleptomaniac. Okay, you are going 113 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: to be a tube of lipstick, all right, Okay, hold on, 114 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 1: let me get into character. Man, You're you're a master. Okay, 115 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: I'm there. Okay, all right, So I'm walking into the 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: store and i'm, you know, looking for some sunglasses that 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: tend to purchase, and all of a sudden, I feel 118 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: this horrible tension. My stomach is tight. I'm starting to 119 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: sweat a little bit because I just spotted Chuck, the 120 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: tube of lipstick, who is sitting there as an inanimate object. 121 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: Because if you talk, then that's delusion and it doesn't 122 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: count kleptomania. So I'm looking at Chuck. I'm feeling this 123 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: horrible tension. I know that I'm going to steal. I 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: don't want to steal, but I have to because it's 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: the only way to relieve the tension. So I've just 126 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: grabbed Chuck and put him in my pocket. And I 127 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: don't even wear a lipstick. There's no explanation for this. 128 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: I make it out of the store, and as I 129 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: enter into the rest of them all and start to 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: feel like I'm not about to be caught, that tension 131 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: goes away, maybe replaced with a little bit of a thrill, 132 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: a kick right, and then boom, I get hit by 133 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: this crushing guilt. I've just stolen again. Not only have 134 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: I stolen from something from somebody, I have failed to 135 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: yet again, resist this overwhelming urge. So I take the 136 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: lips and I go to my grandmother's house, who is 137 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: now dead, but in the scenario, she's actually alive, and 138 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: I just put it in with the rest of her lipstick. 139 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Go about my business feeling generally bad about myself today. 140 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: Can I talk now? Yeah, First of all, it was 141 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: a little weird being in your pocket. Let me say 142 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: that I liked it. But yeah, dude, you just hit 143 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: on a lot of the major points, uh, tension, relief 144 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: of tension, guilt, a rush, giving away what you stole, 145 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: stealing something you don't need, or hoarding. Sometimes, yeah, a 146 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: lot of times people will hoard it. Um. I read 147 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: a case of a woman in the early twentieth century 148 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: who was caught shoplifting. Upper middle class. Um. They caught her, 149 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: went to her house and found all this stuff that 150 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: she'd stolen, with the price textin clearly not used. There's 151 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: not a no one. They don't use the stuff that 152 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: they steal. I've got a hoarder for you, buddy, let's 153 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: hear it. This dude in April of this year in 154 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: Israel was busted. They went to his house and they 155 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: found motorcycle helmets, um watches, Louis Vuitton, handbags, hundred and 156 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: fifty pair of shoes, two pair of sunglasses, olive oil, 157 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: laundry to church, all kinds of stuff unopened in this 158 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: guy's house, literally stacked in in every corner of the house, 159 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: from room to room. And he admitted that he had 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: been shoplifting for a decade, every time he went to 161 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: a story, shoplifted for a decade. And he alone, And 162 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: now he has a wife and son and wow, he 163 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: has a family who know to keep their mouth. Well, 164 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: this is the funny part. And of course this is 165 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: from an Israeli newspaper. It says his wife and son 166 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: are suspected of knowing of his activity but doing nothing 167 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: about it. I don't know if that's a formal charge, 168 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: but uh. He also was busted with a big um 169 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: roll of stickers that say like paid for thank you 170 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: for coming that kind of thing. Oh so ye see, 171 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: that was part of his deal. He would go in 172 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: there and like put that on his big TV box 173 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. I wonder if that disqualifies him as a kleptomaniac, 174 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: though I don't think why, because he preplanned it. Because 175 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that Freud and rich. Is that 176 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: how we say his name? The author of this article, PhD, 177 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: isn't it? No? I thought it was Craig Freundlick, No, 178 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: there's no l Oh, there's not totally invented that. I've 179 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: been reading it that way for two and half. You 180 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna call him Dr Freud, Okay, okay. Dr Freud 181 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: pointed out that, um, people who are kleptomaniacs true kleptomaniacs, 182 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: or I think from what I gather, we don't call 183 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: him cleptomaniacs. We call him people with kleptomania don't go 184 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: into a store intending to steal. They don't go to steal, 185 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: they're just overcome by the impulse from the store. Yeah, 186 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: that makes sense. The other thing that makes that guy 187 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: hinky as a candidate for a person with kleptomania is 188 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: that he's a man. Yeah. Women more often and this 189 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: is a little hinky too, but women are are more 190 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: often diagnosed with kleptomania. But that is slanted a little 191 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: bit because I think it said that women are less 192 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: likely to admit to it or to report it to 193 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: like a psychiatrist, that kind of thing. Oh, No, men, 194 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: men who still go to prison, women who still psychiatric evaluation. Yeah, 195 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: so that that could definitely slam the population. But traditionally, um, 196 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: people think that kleptomania is a feminine disorder. Have you 197 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: ever seen an Ice Storm? No? I need to. Really, 198 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: that's a great movie. Uh. He said that shamefully. I 199 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: do feel kind of ashamed. Actually, the mother and daughter 200 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: Joan Allen and Christina Ricci both shoplift in that film 201 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: at separate times. I think Heartbreakers, that's Sigourney Weaver and um, 202 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: what's her name is Jennifer Lovett? Yeah, no, I'm talking 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: about The Ice Storm. I don't think I don't think so. Yeah. 204 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: In fact, I think Joan Allen actually steals lipstick. There 205 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: you go. Maybe that was me. Yeah, it is one 206 00:11:50,200 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. Yes, Josh, early teens and twenties. 207 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: If we're talking more about the pattern is usually when 208 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: it begins, Yeah, but it can run up to Uh. 209 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: I think they've found kleptomaniacs in their late seventies. Yeah. 210 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Didn't we do a story about Japanese elderly that are 211 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: stealing just so they'll get caught in like have a friend. Yeah, 212 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: they're so lonely. They're trying to basically make friends with 213 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the police by being arrested. So that's not clepto any 214 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: that's a shop. Uh. And I don't know. I was 215 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: thinking about when I saw that in the late seventies. Um, 216 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I thought of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry finds out 217 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: that his parents steal batteries and in turn finds out 218 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: that almost all elderly people steal battery Yeah. Yeah, yeah 219 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: for their tip calculators. That the Willard I'm ruined. You 220 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: know another thing, Josh is uh you you hit on 221 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: it again with your little play acting. They usually steal 222 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: stuff they can afford, and stuff like shampoo it listed 223 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: and sunglasses are big and uh, they like famously went 224 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: on a writer went on a Horowitz excuse me, no, yeah, 225 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: really that's her name. I had no idea she famously 226 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: stole several thousand dollars from sex fifth Avenue, five thousand. 227 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, she can definitely swing that. Yeah, And 228 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it ever came out that they 229 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: did they ever plead kleptomania or anything with her? Did 230 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: they know quietly tried to you know, pay their fine 231 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: and yeah, and that that brings up a pretty good. 232 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: Point is a kleptomania defense is really really hard to 233 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: prove or did successfully get off on it? Is? You 234 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: know why what, Well, your defense lawyer must argue when 235 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: the argument that there was no reason for you to 236 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: steal it, no financial gain, revenge, they got to prove 237 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: all those things beyond a reasonable doubt. First of all, Yeah, 238 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: that's one you want to follow up. Well, I know 239 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: that the Justice Department doesn't recognize kleptomania as a defense, 240 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: So if you're for federal charges, don't even try it. Yeah, exactly, 241 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: And that's that's like the Americans with Disabilities Act, that's 242 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: in legislation. So right, good luck, and so chuck, kleptomania, 243 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: what is it? Is it an actual disease? Should it 244 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: be covered in the Americans with Disabilities Act? Should the 245 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: do O J finally open up their eyes and be like, okay, okay, 246 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: there's such a thing as kleptomania. Well, we don't know 247 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: for sure. There's uh, some people think it's like tagged 248 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: onto other psychological disorders like what like obsessive compulsive or 249 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: personality and mood disorders. Okay, so it may like it 250 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: could be a symptom or a byproduct of a larger disorder, right, yes, okay, 251 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: but by and large it's classified as an impulse control 252 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: disorder like gambling or pyromania, fire starting awesome or uh 253 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: trick o tillomania. Yes, trick I've never heard of that. Yeah, 254 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: obsessive hair pulling. Yeah, I wonder if that means pulling 255 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: your own hair. Other people's probably both, I don't know. Huh. 256 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. Actually, and it got our producer 257 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: Jerry giggling. So you know it's good. It's good. Yeah. 258 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: So it's either a symptom of a larger disorder or 259 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: it's its own impulse control disorder. UM. One of the 260 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: reasons we don't know is because treatments UM for kleptomania 261 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: are hit or miss. Yeah, and they haven't studied a lot. 262 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: And the other thing is like it hit me like 263 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: everything else with the brain. It's still sort of a mystery, 264 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: it is. And one of the reasons why they have 265 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: had trouble studying kleptomania is finding kleptomaniacs like I found 266 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: a study from two thousand two that was just getting 267 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: off the ground at Stanford and UM. These people were 268 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: looking for twenty four kleptomaniacs for their study, and we're 269 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: having to go on TV radio everywhere to try to 270 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: find like true kleptomaniacs. And one of um, this guy 271 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: who was quoted in a in this article on the study, UM, 272 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: a guy named will cup Chick, which is a pretty 273 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: cool name if you ask me. He's a Toronto psychologist. 274 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: He said, Um, in the four hundred and fifty cases 275 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I've assessed, probably only one or two of the people 276 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: were actual kleptomaniacs. We're talking about a very, very small, 277 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: fascinating part of the larger population, didn't they I think 278 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: I saw some in the article. They said maybe five 279 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: percent of psychiatric patients admit to being our our diagnosis kleptomaniac. Right, 280 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: and and you just you revealed something else too. I 281 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: think a lot of it is admission. I mean, like, 282 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: remember when me, the play acting kleptomania, left and went 283 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: into the mall, was crushed by guilt. I remember that 284 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: I wanted to get the object away from me. Do 285 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: you remember the desire to keep this secret? I think 286 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: probably keeps a lot of people from coming forward. Yeah, 287 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: so we have no idea how large or small this 288 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: population is. But I think from people who examine shoplifters 289 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: they find that the actual kleptomaniacs among them are are 290 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: very small population. Um. You know who has studied it. 291 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: The University of Minnesota School of Medicine. Yeah, specifically psychiatrist 292 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: John Grant, and he studied the brain and there are 293 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: a few little deposits, a few theories here. One is 294 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: that a a defect in a molecule that transports serotonin 295 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: might be messed up. Yeah. Well not the defect was 296 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: messed up. That would clearly be messed up. The defect 297 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: is messed up in your potentially head trauma could cause 298 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: something like this. It could damage the circuits in the 299 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: frontal lobes. That could maybe happen and decrease in the 300 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: fine structure of white matter in the frontal lobe. But 301 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: it's all in the frontal lobe, right, and the Lympic system, which, 302 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: as of course we know is the brain's reward center. Um. 303 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: So that's in the frontal lobe, right, which also controls 304 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: um impulse, or the frontal lobe controls impulse mood. There 305 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: you have it, dude, Yeah, so clearly it's it could 306 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: be its own disorder in the frontal lobe, reasons going 307 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: on in there. Um. So did we say that treatments 308 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: don't work all that well? Like, Um, sometimes U s 309 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: SR rise, but not all the time. Cognitive therapy work. 310 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes you want to talk about some of the cognitive therapy. Yeah, 311 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: cognitive therapy cracks me up a little bit. It's like 312 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: snapping a rubber band on your wrist when you have 313 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: like an impure thought. Um. Covert sensitization, Josh, is when 314 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: a patient wants to steal and then all of a sudden, 315 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: you're you're trained to imagine the consequences, which, to me, 316 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: that's like I thought that's what you're just supposed to 317 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: teach people. It's like, um no, it's like you're get 318 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: in trouble, bring a cat in the face, like every 319 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: time it does something you don't want with a little 320 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: water bottle. Yeah, aversion therapy. That is, if you feel 321 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: the urge to steal, you will be told to do 322 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: something like holding your breath until it's literally painful. Oh, 323 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's the one that's like you are that 324 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: covert sensitization that is kind of what we as humans 325 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: should be walking around doing at all times right, thinking 326 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: about the consequences of your actions. Uh. And then the 327 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: last one they uses systematic desensitization, which is relaxation therapy 328 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: and substituting relaxing feelings instead of the urge to steal. 329 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: All of those are probably the most difficult thing cleptomaniac 330 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: will ever attempt too. I found another little study, though, 331 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: let's hear it took in April of this year. They 332 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: started a test where they gave kleptomaniacs or cleptomania. What 333 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: do we call him again, those with kleptomania, people with cleptomania. 334 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: I guess no one wants to be called a maniac 335 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: in any way. Uh. They they studied they got twenty 336 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: five habitual thieves men and women between seventeen seventy five, 337 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: and they gave them the drug nal trek Zone, which 338 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: is what they give alcoholics and drug addicts to curb 339 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: their their bad behavior. Is that the stuff that makes 340 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: your hangover really really bad, I think, so it's supposed 341 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to quell those impulses, and it kind of worked. Um. 342 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: After eight weeks, they found that two thirds of the 343 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: people who had not given the placebo had no urge 344 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: to steal, and only like eight percent had placebo did so. 345 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: They also ate their vegetables and went to bed when 346 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: they were told to be good drug, we could use that, Chuck. 347 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: Is that it almost we're going to travel back to 348 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: the beginning now or this should have been at the beginning? 349 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: Kleptomania was um? I think it first appears in literature 350 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: in seven CE. Okay, uh st Augustine admitted to uh. 351 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: Lusting to thieve by st. Augustine was something mounts he 352 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: really was if he existed at all. Um. And then 353 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: it ends up in the medical literature. In eighteen sixteen, 354 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: a Swiss physician by the name of Matthew wrote of 355 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: a unique madness characterized by the tendency to steal without 356 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: motive and without necessity. Do you have an eighteen sixteen? 357 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: And then Freud came in and said that has something 358 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: to do with penis envy, no kidding. And now it's 359 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: a forty five well not just a cleptomania, but shoplifting 360 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: is a forty five billion dollar in this country took 361 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: off from eighteen six team to two thousand nine. That's 362 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: good stuff, all right, Well, that's kleptomania. If you want 363 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: to know anymore, you can read the article by our 364 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: own Dr freud Um by typing in kleptomania. Remember it 365 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: begins with k uh in the handy search bar how 366 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: stuffworks dot com. And since I just said that, of course, 367 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: dear friends, this means listener mayo. Josh, I'm just gonna 368 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: call this Hippie Rob followed up your old buddy Hippi 369 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Should you say something about Hippi Rob. Well, let's wait 370 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: till after U. Hi, Josh and Chuck I like him 371 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: when they started that way. I don't normally right into 372 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: TV shows or radio shows, etcetera. But I've heard Josh 373 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: talk about Hippie Rob and at the end of the 374 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Hangover podcast, he mentioned that he wanted to hear from 375 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: people who knew of his whereabouts. I do, in fact 376 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: know at Hippie Rob and wanted to offer my knowledge 377 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: of this person to determine if it was the same 378 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: Hippie Rob. And I've seen this email and I know 379 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: that it's a real Hippie Rob because he capitalize the 380 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: H and the rob. The Hippie Rob I know is 381 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: originally from vinyl Haven, Maine, a medium side a medium 382 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: size island off the coast of down East, Maine. They 383 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: say things weird of their down East. His full name, 384 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: I didn't say his full name here, but it's Robert 385 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: Blank and uh. He has thick, blonde dreadlocks, the sure 386 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: telltale sign of a hippie. Sure. He was about five 387 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: ten and never talked about his age, but I would 388 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: put him in the upper thirties and possibly lower forties. 389 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: In he loves coffee, hates alcohol, and he mentioned one 390 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: of his other habits that he loves, which we're not 391 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: going to mention on the air. But his name is 392 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: hippie Rob. So fill in the blanks. Uh. He squatted 393 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: at my apartment in Portland, Maine, the summer of n 394 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: so close. At the time, he was living off a 395 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: Social Security from a quote permanent work related accident. I 396 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: think we've all known a hippie Rob, but something told 397 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: me that his permanent disability was not physically related. I 398 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: would see him every few summers in Maine and he 399 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: would shoot the breeze. We would shoot the breeze while 400 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: drinking coffee and doing other things. He was a terrible mooch. 401 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: I know that he loved to travel the warm places 402 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: in the winter, with his favorite being Hawaii. And uh, 403 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: if you read this on the air, could you give 404 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: a shout out to my girlfriend Kristen. It was an 405 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: amazing sport about me listening to the podcast Galen from Portland, Maine. So, Josh, 406 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: is it hippy rob No, there's a couple of things 407 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: missing here is so close. I mean the age. One 408 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: thing is that no one knows the origin of the 409 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: real hippie rock. No one knows where hippie robs fromocks 410 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: he does um he uh. And he's blonde, although you 411 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: would say more like strawberry blond ish, not true blonde. 412 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: Um has a beard, kind of a little guy. Uh. 413 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: In he would have been late thirties or so. World 414 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: class mooch. Yeah, well you used to like, you know, 415 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: we'd buy beer and we'd buy Sierra Nevada beer and 416 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: Robb didn't have any money for a while, and then 417 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: he get paid and um, he would be his turn 418 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: to buy the beer and he'd buy like a twelve 419 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: pack of Milwaukee beast ice and we'd be like this, 420 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: this is not the same, rob Um. There's a dog missing, 421 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: and this is a very key point. The dog Sodonna 422 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: I'll have to tell you about him sometime. He's a 423 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: wolf dog Sidona. Hippie Rob owned yes, no, they they 424 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: were best friends. There was no he's best friends with um. 425 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: And then the real giveaway was that Hippie Rob loved 426 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: alcohol right that he would never even now he could 427 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: have given up booze. No one would have. No one 428 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: would say Hippy Rob hates alcohol. He just doesn't drink 429 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: it anymore and he probably still has. Hippie Rob loves alcohol. 430 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: So that was the one that was the tell tale giveaway. Alright, 431 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: So not Hippie Rob unfortunately. Yeah, and uh, I guess 432 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: if you know where Hippie Rob is. I've revealed some 433 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: more clues here, send us an email. We still want 434 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: to know. We're looking for him. And uh is it 435 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: Kristen or Kirsten truck who? Uh? In the mail Galen's 436 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: girlfriend Kristen Kristen special thanks to you for letting Galen 437 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: listen to us. We appreciate that. If you have any 438 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: cool stories about your significant other letting you do something 439 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: UM that you want to do, uh, put it in 440 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: an email. Also, if you know where Hippie Rob is, 441 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: we want to hear that too. 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