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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our bar Gas.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. If they were

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Speaker 1: going to take genty and we were, you know, to

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Speaker 1: come in here the next day and talk about it

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Speaker 1: after you're you know, done, just getting in your fields.

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Speaker 3: I this is It's always tough for me because I

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Speaker 3: have I have my my genuine hatred towards running backs.

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Speaker 1: Which han't which you shouldn't, but okay, but.

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Speaker 3: It's always difficult for me when it comes to the

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Speaker 3: draft because I do genuinely like some of the running

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Speaker 3: backs in every draft, as you know, like I, I

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Speaker 3: do genuinely like them, like I genuinely liked to be

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Speaker 3: John Robinson coming out. You watch that tape and you're

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Speaker 3: it's undeniable that he's a talented guy. But then the

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Speaker 3: nerd in me fights against the film guy and me,

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Speaker 3: and it's just like an internal conflict of.

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Speaker 1: Always going to what film do I no offense to Matt.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know that that was the best quote

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Speaker 1: last week from genty because I think somebody said, like,

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Speaker 1: how disappointed would you be? And I said, my biggest

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Speaker 1: disappointment would be I'm probably not gonna get to see

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Speaker 1: the look on your face when the pick comes in.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because we've talked a little bit about this

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Speaker 3: deuce and I off the air, we find out maybe

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Speaker 3: ten seconds before the TV goes yeah, right, And so

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Speaker 3: my live reaction is usually a little bit rehearsed, planned,

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Speaker 3: like I have a minute to kind of collect myself

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Speaker 3: before we give our take on it. Last two drafts

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Speaker 3: or do the two drafts that I've worked for the

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Speaker 3: team I have Christian Zalaz and Drake May were genuine

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Speaker 3: excitement for both. Oh I got.

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Speaker 1: Felger Mas Rose did me for how excited I got?

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Speaker 1: Yeah for the Gonzales one.

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Speaker 3: But it's funny because yeah, that you.

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Speaker 1: Know that rightfully, by the way, I was right to

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Speaker 3: But I, like I said, when it comes to running back,

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Speaker 3: especially in the class, like it's a great running back

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Speaker 3: class objectively, there's a lot of great running backs in

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Speaker 3: this class. What do you how do you kind of

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Speaker 3: deal with the value of the position. And I have

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Speaker 3: another take about positional value. We'll get to hear in

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Speaker 3: a second. But hello, everybody, welcome in. It's Evan Lazar

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Speaker 3: and Alex Bart just getting right to it right off

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Speaker 3: the jump, as we we typically do, and before we

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Speaker 3: get really into the weeds here, we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 3: little bit about the league meetings, all the news that's

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Speaker 3: coming out of the league meetings, Patriots related news, mostly

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Speaker 3: some Patriots adjacent stuff that I think is relevant to

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Speaker 3: the Patriots as well coming out of the league meetings,

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Speaker 3: and I have to poke a little bit fun. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: but we're not going to talk about succession plans. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to talk about any of that. If

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Speaker 3: you want that, you're in the wrong place. This is

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Speaker 3: gonna be draft talk. This is going to be team

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Speaker 3: building talk about what was said at the owners meetings

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Speaker 3: New England Patriots. All right, everybody, So, in terms of

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Speaker 3: the news coming out of the owners meetings this week,

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Speaker 3: Alex I kind of broke it up into a few

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Speaker 3: different bullet points. You know, Mike Rabel's press conferences the.

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Speaker 1: Meat of this.

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Speaker 3: There's some Patriots adjacent news like I talked about as

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Speaker 3: well with you know, Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins and

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Speaker 3: things like that that could be related. But I think

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Speaker 3: the biggest takeaway that I had just from listening to Rabel,

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Speaker 3: and I know he had some nice things to say

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Speaker 3: you need to have a list of four, right.

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Speaker 1: You know he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: This is not a situation where they're picking You're just

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Speaker 3: up with Carter or Hunter, and you're really happy about that.

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Speaker 3: just listening to them talk about tackle, knowing that they

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Speaker 3: are two tackles that are probably worthy of going roughly

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Speaker 3: in that range, and we can debate if it's a

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Speaker 3: I'm just kind of having a tough time going outside

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Speaker 3: it could be a Ted McMillan. Even at that pick

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Speaker 3: Membu and Campbell. Now it just kind of comes down

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Speaker 3: to which one do they like better?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think even if they get a

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Speaker 1: if you know you want to tackle, what are the

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Speaker 1: odds it's Carter, Membu, four, five, right, six, whatever? Right

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Speaker 1: at that point, you just take your guy. So it

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Speaker 1: does feel like that's the group. He was very complimentary

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Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, Campbell, Membo, Genty, McMillan, Warren,

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Speaker 1: down to what they both played in the SEC, and

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Speaker 1: Vrabel was praised both of them on Monday. If they

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Speaker 1: It comes down to what do you want to take

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Speaker 1: Right there's limited examples of success for both in the

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Speaker 3: So speaking of outliers, the other point that comes, you know,

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Speaker 3: that answer about Will Campbell specifically asked about his arm

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Speaker 3: Now got to be objective about it. There are there

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Speaker 3: are a lot of players that were great in the

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Speaker 3: that tackle you know, at all positions, right, So that's

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Speaker 3: players in college football and you're projecting to the NFL,

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Speaker 3: you're projecting with everybody. So the best projections are the

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Speaker 3: guys that have gone up against NFL caliber competition in

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Speaker 3: a conference as good as the SEC that is close

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Speaker 3: to a NFL caliber competition you're going to get at

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Speaker 3: the college level. So that being said, Dame Bugler of

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Speaker 3: the Athletic Friend of the Program, UH tweeted out last

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Speaker 3: night something that you were first on.

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Speaker 1: You were you were first on the store. You know,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of draft people talking about it,

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Speaker 1: like immediately after the combine. I was the first to

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Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, what's the word humble about this?

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Speaker 1: You? You were?

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Speaker 3: You were first on?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I literally noticed it. I wish I could remember who

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Speaker 1: that it took us this long to get to this

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Speaker 3: Well, Papa Rillo is not accepting it as a reality.

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Speaker 1: Paul's were I.

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Speaker 3: Told him that I was gonna make He told me

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Speaker 3: that he knows that he's going to catch strays in

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Speaker 1: So I gotta I gotta own up to that believing

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Speaker 1: an NFL sanctioned measurement.

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Speaker 3: So dam Burglar. Last night from the Athletic again, the

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Speaker 3: author of The Beast said, among the forty six O

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Speaker 3: line Combine prospects who remeasured at their pro day, forty

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Speaker 3: three of them had longer arms at their pro day

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Speaker 3: measured by NFL scouts. So couple things. One common misconception.

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Speaker 3: This is not some LSU staffer that is measuring Will

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Speaker 3: Campbell's arms in the effort to inflate the measurement.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: You often hear that the time, you know, the forty

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Speaker 3: better at the Combine because they're they're trying to, you know,

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Speaker 3: fluff up their guys. They're trying to promote their guys.

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Speaker 3: You hear that about the Senior Bowl, that they're going

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Speaker 3: to always be a little bit generous to the players

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Speaker 3: to make them look better from a Senior Bowl perspective.

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Speaker 3: An NFL scout measures the arm length at the pro days.

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Speaker 3: Dan had the exact number. Forty three of forty six

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Speaker 3: measured in longer at their pro days than at the Combine.

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Speaker 3: And at this point it sounds like a lot of

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Speaker 3: teams are operating with Will Campbell as thirty three inch arms. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people hear this and are like,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about three aces of an inch, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it really doesn't make a difference. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: think NFL teams are always going to have the most

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Speaker 3: accurate information with this kind of stuff. They're always going

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Speaker 3: They're gonna have their own evaluations. I'm a little pissed

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Speaker 3: off about this though, as you should, as as texting you,

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Speaker 1: And I would just add to that it's not unrealistic.

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Speaker 3: But even still my and again, NFL teams are not

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of this is gonna cost Will

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna cost to finish your rant and then

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna cost Will Campbell any money. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: January I gushed about on this program and said that

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Speaker 3: You get into that Rashawn Slater territory, right, and you

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Speaker 1: This is a me problem. No one cares.

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Speaker 3: I would just say that the environment that it sets

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Speaker 1: So that's where I wanted to go. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna cost Will Campbell any money because teams

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Speaker 1: Who this does cost is guys like Marcus Mobou. Marcus

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Speaker 1: Mobou played guard at Perdue for three years, moved to

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Speaker 1: He measured it in thirty two. With the combine, he

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Speaker 3: And it's a reporter. I wonder if the next year

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Speaker 1: I wonder if next year we're gonna hear if there's

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Speaker 3: But I gotta be honest with you, I don't trust it.

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Speaker 1: Will trust it. And let me be clear, because I

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Speaker 3: And this is a problem.

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Speaker 1: People will have to see what happens with the Senior

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Speaker 3: Every year when the guys measure in because the combine

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Speaker 1: Well, there was like, there's never any reason not to

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Speaker 3: So it's it's a part of the conversation. It's an

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Speaker 1: If there's one silver lining in it. At press conference,

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Speaker 1: he gave it as pro day. Yeah. Oh, he's pissed,

436
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: as he should be pissed at the league. You're right,

437
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: and he should be in. Good for him. What do

438
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Speaker 1: you think Mike Rabel thought when he saw that press conference?

439
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Speaker 3: Well, we've said all along with Will Campbell, that he's

440
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 3: a rabele guy. Yeah, that was his character, his makeup,

441
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Speaker 3: and I understand that some people roll their eyes at that.

442
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 3: Just give me the talent. This is a talented kid, right.

443
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: And one of the things that I've sort of gravitated

444
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Speaker 3: towards more in the draft in recent years is young breakouts,

445
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: guys that were truly young breakout players. Because when you

446
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: talk about ceiling and we talk about potential, this is

447
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: in any sport really like the NBA, it's the same

448
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: draft process is the same way the younger the player

449
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: was when they broke out usually signals the higher the

450
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 3: player's ceiling is. So, you know, just recent examples like

451
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Speaker 3: Christian Zalez and Drake May were both young brains, make

452
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: out players, right they were underclassmen. They were you know,

453
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 3: stars as underclassmen. Drake May's big season was his sophomore

454
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Speaker 3: season at North Carolina. Will Campbell is has been a

455
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Speaker 3: young breakout player. There's tape of him two years ago

456
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 3: against like Jared Verse in Florida State, right, you know,

457
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Speaker 3: like we're talking about him playing left tackle for Jayden

458
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: Daniels as well as Ness Meyer and and you know

459
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Speaker 3: playing last year at LSU. So I'm big on that.

460
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: I think it's important. You know, Travis Hunter checks that

461
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: box two as well. But there are a lot of prospects,

462
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Speaker 3: especially with Nil and COVID, and there's still remnants of

463
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Speaker 3: that that are older that have been in college football

464
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Speaker 3: for five six years. For example, Yeah, Tyler Warrens one, uh,

465
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Speaker 3: you know, he's on the older side. So that that's

466
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Speaker 3: where we're at right now with Will Campbell the other

467
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Speaker 3: things I just wanted to you got one more thing.

468
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Speaker 1: Well, kind of along those lines, and you know Vrabel

469
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Speaker 1: sort of hyping up Campbell on Monday also hyped up

470
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Speaker 1: arm On and you mentioned the young breakout thing. This

471
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Speaker 1: is a guy that was as a recruit viewed as

472
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Speaker 1: a guard wins the starting right tackle jobs. Is true.

473
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Speaker 1: Freshman year at Missouri. Never gave it up, I rabeled,

474
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Speaker 1: sounded confident Membo could make the switch. Yeah too, from

475
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Speaker 1: from right to left. So where are you at with

476
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Speaker 1: armand Membo at this point?

477
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Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things with Member. You know

478
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Speaker 3: the switch, I did that deep dive I forgot I

479
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: forgot one, and somebody on Twitter pointed it out, so

480
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. But my data didn't go back far

481
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Speaker 3: enough for Tyron Smith called the last ten years, so

482
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Speaker 3: I was looking at the last ten years. Tyron Smith

483
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Speaker 3: at USC was a right tackle, so he moved to

484
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Speaker 3: left tackle and Dallas probably gonna go into the Pro

485
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Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame.

486
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Speaker 1: But he also there was a year in between where

487
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Speaker 1: he played right tackle. At the NFL, I don't he

488
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Speaker 1: might have started at right tackle now. I don't think

489
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Speaker 1: he was at left tackle right away because they had somebody.

490
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Speaker 1: I'll look it up. So Tyren Wurfs went right. Well,

491
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Speaker 1: Worfs did.

492
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Speaker 3: The same thing. He's right right in Tampa and then

493
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: moved to left. So Tyron Smith, trist and Wharfs are

494
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: the top tier, right, Yeah, both all pro caliber players

495
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: going from right to left from college to the pros.

496
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Speaker 3: Jedrick Wills is sort of like a nice floor.

497
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Speaker 1: They had dug free by the way it left free.

498
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Speaker 3: It's sort of a nice floor, right, Like Jederick Wills

499
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Speaker 3: was a solid player for Cleveland for a couple of

500
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Speaker 3: years until he got you know, injuries started to catch

501
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: up to him and things like that. He was a

502
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Speaker 3: college right tackle, left tackle in the NFL. So there

503
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Speaker 3: are examples, but it's three examples over the span of

504
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Speaker 3: fifteen plus years that you can really come up with

505
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Speaker 3: the guys that have done it and stuck on the

506
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Speaker 3: left side.

507
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Speaker 1: Last year a.

508
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Speaker 3: Couple teams tried it. Telis Fugala in Chicago, Jac.

509
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Speaker 1: Lath in New Orleans? Is he in New Orleans? Yeah?

510
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Speaker 3: Why did I say Chicago?

511
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Speaker 1: I don't know New Orleans? Yeah, Now I lost my

512
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Speaker 1: train of thought.

513
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Speaker 3: Jac Latham, Jac Latham and Tennessee right. And there was

514
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Speaker 3: one more. I have it writ down. I'll look it up.

515
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: But the point being Latham is already back at right tackle.

516
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Speaker 3: They signed Dan Moore junior.

517
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Speaker 1: They gave Dan More junior a terrible contrey in order

518
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Speaker 1: to be able to do Yeah, he's already back at

519
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Speaker 1: right tackle.

520
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the the oh. The other one

521
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: was Tyler Guyton with the Dallas Cowboys. So Tyler Goyton

522
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: had an up and down year, was starting for a

523
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Speaker 3: little bit, was benched, was starting again right like they

524
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Speaker 3: kind of had him in and out of the lineup

525
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Speaker 3: a little bit. He was a right tackle at Oklahoma

526
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Speaker 3: and then got moved to left tackle with Dallas last year.

527
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Speaker 3: I remember this with with Geyton, particularly because he was

528
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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, and I was there, and

529
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Speaker 3: they had him working out a lot at the left

530
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Speaker 3: side because teams he has tackle feet, He's got tackle height,

531
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Speaker 3: tackle length, tackle size, so everybody wanted to see if

532
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Speaker 3: he could play left. And he struggled a little bit,

533
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Speaker 3: I thought at the Senior Bowl, trying to make the

534
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Speaker 3: change from right to left. I think the biggest thing, though,

535
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Speaker 3: beyond just a change that I look at with Membu

536
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Speaker 3: and this is maybe just a philosophical thing for me

537
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: that might be different from other people, And I think

538
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Speaker 3: it kind of comes back to some of the traditional

539
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Speaker 3: Patriots Belichick era stuff. When I think of right and

540
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Speaker 3: left tackle, at right, I feel like run blocking can

541
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Speaker 3: be more important, like having a really good run blocking

542
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Speaker 3: right tackle is health is you know, sort of where

543
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Speaker 3: I look at right tackle, like, if you're a good

544
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Speaker 3: run blocker and just an average pass blocker, I'm probably

545
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Speaker 3: playing you on the right side right because it's not

546
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: the blind side and all that good stuff. Left tackle,

547
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Speaker 3: they've I feel like they've always had a little bit

548
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Speaker 3: of a better athlete on the left side. I know

549
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: Membu is a great athlete, but I just mean a

550
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: better pass protector right, I think is a better way

551
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: of putting that. A better pass protector on the left side,

552
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 3: more nimble, more athletic guy on the left side. Membo,

553
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Speaker 3: when I look at him, first of all, he's a squatty,

554
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 3: thick built right he's like six four three and thirty pounds.

555
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: He's he's kind of built like a guard in terms

556
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: of his body type. And then I also look at

557
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: the pass blocking tape and it's not a ton And

558
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: I actually went back and watched a little bit of

559
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three for both him and Burden recently. It's

560
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: not a ton of true NFL style drop back passing

561
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: right where he is one on one on an island

562
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: in pass protection. They have a lot of moving pockets

563
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: in that offense. They chip and help a lot to

564
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: their tackles, you know, with their running backs and the

565
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 3: tight ends. I would say Will Campbell had a lot

566
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: more true pass sets in the stats back it up

567
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: than armand Membu in college by quite a bit of

568
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: a wide margin. So when I look at Membu I

569
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 3: and transitioning to right, from right to left, he has

570
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: the lesson to do it, He's got the length to

571
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: do it. He's a tackle right like, he's got all

572
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: the tackle measurables checked off. But I do wonder if

573
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: he's going to be a little bit greener as a

574
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Speaker 3: pass protector once he has more exposure to actually NFL

575
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: style pass blocking right.

576
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: We don't.

577
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Speaker 3: I don't think I necessarily have a great feel for

578
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: how he's gonna be on the blind side one on one,

579
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Speaker 3: you know, week one against a stud pass rusher in

580
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: the NFL, Like, how is he gonna hold up in

581
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 3: that matchup? Whereas with Campbell, I feel a little bit

582
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: more confident that he could go ahead toe to toe

583
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: with somebody.

584
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: Like that, and just because the way they're set up,

585
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: and maybe this changes with the draft, but left tackle

586
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: is not gonna be an easy position to help right

587
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: right right side Morgan, Moses, Michael and Win who you

588
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: feel good it's one on one, you're gonna be one

589
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: on one over there, But left guard might end up

590
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: being your weak spot. So are you trying to help

591
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: They're in at left tackle like they're gonna be helping

592
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: each other. What exactly is that going to look? Like?

593
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a guy that can win on an

594
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: island at left tackle.

595
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and typically you do, like just looking at the

596
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: statistics of you know, we have data now that says like,

597
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: how often is this guy on an island right? How

598
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: often does he get hell? How often is he true

599
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: pass blocking on an island? And typically it's all the

600
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: left tackles right, Like, the only right tackles that are

601
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: up there are like Penny Seol right because lines are

602
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: just like, well, we'll just leave him one on one,

603
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: but everybody else is usually on the left side. So

604
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: I like Membo. I don't want it to come across

605
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: as like I think Membo is a bad prospect because

606
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: I feel like you when you like one guy more

607
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: than the other.

608
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: It becomes very territorial. It's become combativeated.

609
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: It always likes across that way.

610
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: You can like both. I do like both. But again,

611
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: what am I willing to bet on Will Campbell being

612
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: outside the norm for arm length or arm On Membu

613
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: being outside the norm as a position changer? I've seen

614
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Will Campbell play left tackle. That's what I'm betting on

615
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: that I've seen him do it. Yeah, and is he perfect? No,

616
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: there there are no perfect there's no perfect prospects. I

617
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: really haven't had to use that line that much this

618
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: year because I think everybody knows that's the case. But like,

619
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Speaker 1: especially in this draft, Like, all right, we're betting on

620
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: his size versus where else are we going? Again? The

621
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: position changer? Tet McMillan's speed or can you really build

622
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing around a running back with gent or

623
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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren being an older, late breakout player, Like gotta

624
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: take a shot somewhere. Yeah, and that's where I'm willing

625
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: to all things consider. That's why I'm willing to take

626
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the shot. Yeah, unless, of course Carter and Hunter are there.

627
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: So that's that I don't you know, we spend a

628
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: ton of time on this, So.

629
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Speaker 1: We should just get like a little like piece of

630
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: paper the sign that says like unless Carter and Hunter

631
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: or if Carter and Hunter off the board. Yeah, instead

632
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: of having to put that qualifier, just hold it up

633
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: every time we're giving a take where that applies. Would

634
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: save a lot of time.

635
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I just keep coming back to it again.

636
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: I know it's probably uh, it's probably old school, and

637
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: I probably need to let it go. But when you

638
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: watch when you look at armand Membu and you look

639
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: at the way he's built, like just his body type

640
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: on and you look at you know, he's a wide

641
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: bodied tackle. And when I think of wide bodied tackles,

642
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: I just think of right tackle, Like I just don't

643
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: think of those types of players playing a ton on

644
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: the left side. And speaking of wide bodied tackles. Another

645
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: you know, portion of of Rabel's interview that I found

646
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: interesting was him talking about Kid Wallace and not ruling

647
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: out Caden Wallace as a potential tackle. Again, I feel

648
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: as though looking at Caden Wallace, watching his tape, the

649
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: way he moves, the way he plays, and the body type,

650
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: I think he's a right tackle and not just because

651
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: he played right tackle in college, but just he looks

652
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: like a right tackle. I also wouldn't totally roll out

653
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: with Wallace, and this I actually feel even stronger about.

654
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: I'm not rolling out moving him inside to guard because

655
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: there's a really good track record and we've talked about

656
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: this in the past with Campbell. There's a really good

657
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: track record of college tackles moving to guard in the

658
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: NFL and being very good guards, right Zach Martin, Brandon Sheriff,

659
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: Joe Toney, Elijah Vera Tucker, Like, there's a really long

660
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: list of that. So if you move Caden Wallace inside

661
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: the guard where now he's going to be an athletic

662
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,239
Speaker 3: guard and probably a high level pass protecting guard. I

663
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: like the idea that left guard is wide open. You know,

664
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 3: there's a wide open competition. So the way I look

665
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: at it right now with it sounds like they're probably

666
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: gonna hope that Wallace can be the swing tackle this

667
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: year and then maybe long term he's the right tackle

668
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: of the future, learning behind Morgan Moses for a year

669
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: or two and then he takes over there. I'm just

670
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: not necessarily thinking that left tackles in his future, but

671
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: very able didn't rule out him playing left well.

672
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: So when Ellie Wolf was on with Feulger, he talked

673
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: about how he sees Wallace primarily is the right tackle,

674
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: and I kind of if the plan really is we're

675
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna let Kane Wallace compete for the starting left tackle job.

676
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: I don't love that. Yeah, but remember they need backups too.

677
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: They only have one true left tackle in the roster

678
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: right now, and that's Vadarian Lowe. It's not like, all right,

679
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: Vaderian Lowe's back and they have some guy who is

680
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: on the practice squad, they signed to a future contractor

681
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: they don't even have the bodies. So they are going

682
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: to need backups in addition to starters at these positions.

683
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: And we saw Vaderian low on the right side in

684
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It doesn't work. He is purely a

685
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: left tackle. That is his position period, full stop. So

686
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: if you're gonna carry him as your backup left tackle,

687
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: you now also have to have a backup right tackle.

688
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Whereas if you can cross train Cane Wallace enough that

689
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: he can be a swing tackle, and maybe he's not

690
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: great at left, but if you have to have him

691
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: start a game or two, you can get by right. Well,

692
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: now you have the option where you don't need to

693
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: carry Vederian Low, and that opens up a roster spot

694
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So I think ideally they'd like Walls to

695
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: be comfortable enough at both tackle spots that they don't

696
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: have to keep four tackles on the roster. He's basically

697
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: competing for with Vaderian Low for the backup left tackle spot,

698
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: is how I read that, and then eventually, like you said,

699
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: he can become the starting right tackle down the road.

700
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm not against him at trying to mcguard either. I

701
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: would try him everywhere everywhere. He's probably a little too

702
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: big to be a center, but yeah, get him familiar

703
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: in as many spots as possible. I wonder what like, now,

704
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: you're having a lot of bodies there, you're gonna draft

705
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: a rookie and you need to make sure you have

706
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: the reps. But I developing him as a swing tackle

707
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: makes sense because even if they draft Will Campbell and

708
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: it's Will Campbell at left tackle or arm On Membo

709
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: either one right, if you draft either of those guys,

710
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: are Arianta Ristrey later on, Okay, this is gonna be

711
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: our starting left tackle. We're putting him in place, is

712
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: low still your backup? Like, are you gonna add another

713
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: left tackle to compete there or whatever? And is that Wallace?

714
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Is it somebody else in the draft, a guy like

715
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Hauling Pierce right or a guy like Anthony Belton. So

716
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: I it doesn't the idea of just seeing what Walls

717
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: can do at left tackle isn't a bad idea as

718
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: long as the idea isn't well, you know, we can

719
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: maybe have him as a starter like that shouldn't be

720
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: part of the thought. It's just if he can back

721
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: up at both tackle spots, we can save a roster spot.

722
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: Now he becomes le Adrian Wadham.

723
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do wonder too if they draft they

724
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: could double dim at tackle in the draft, like it

725
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: probably won't be too top one hundred picks, but you

726
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: mentioned Anthony Belton. You know, I really think Charles Grant

727
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: from William Marry is a really interesting develop mental prospect

728
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: outside the top one hundred probably not I think you

729
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: probably third round pick, but he's probably you know, he's

730
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: another guy right, just throwing his name out there, uh,

731
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 3: that that could be in that developmental role and no,

732
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: no offense meant whatsoever. To Vaderian Low, but you kind

733
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: of know what Vaderian Low is at this point. So

734
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: if Caden Wallace can prove to be serviceable enough to

735
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: be the top swing tackle going into next season, that

736
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: also could open up a fourth tackle spot for like

737
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: a develop a true developmental player that you take like

738
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 3: a Belton or a Grant that's not going to start

739
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 3: as a rookie probably but might have a future starter

740
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: upside that a year or two from now, you know,

741
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: he could take over at right tackle, or if you know,

742
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: you end up not taking you know, Campbell or whatever

743
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: right like, you just have different options there.

744
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: With that spot.

745
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: So, uh, those are the tackles. That was most of

746
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: the conversation. There a couple of other tidbits just picking

747
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: up from some of the press conferences here Mike Rabel

748
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: came out and said they're drafting a running back like

749
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: he came out and said it, said it's something that

750
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: we'd like to do. One of my favorite parts, and

751
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: I know it's the least talked about part of the

752
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: press conference for mister Kraft, but one of my favorite

753
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: parts about mister Krafts press conference was him off the cuff,

754
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: just rattling off offensive line, receiver, and running back as

755
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: like three things he'd like to see the team do.

756
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: I wonder who told him that, right, But even more specifically,

757
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: mister Kraft said speed running back, speed running So I

758
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: wrote down a few names here that I think fit

759
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: that mold, right. Both, I think Ohio State guys are

760
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: speed running backs.

761
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: In my mind, they're just good running backs, but they

762
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: can do everything.

763
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: But I think they're speed guys like I think they have.

764
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: They both have explosive gears, maybe Henderson more so than Judkins,

765
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: but I think both of those guys are explosive dudes.

766
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: Dylan Samson from Tennessee is starting to make a lot

767
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: of a lot of arrows pointed.

768
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: At Yeah that one.

769
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just really explosive, really good one cut ability.

770
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: You just really dynamite running back. You know. In terms

771
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: of that mold, he'd be complimentary to what Stevenson gives.

772
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: He did, like it makes a lot of sense.

773
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: Twoton from Virginia Tech.

774
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, speedback. I still worry about the fumbles.

775
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a lot of fumbles, but uh he

776
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: has a ton of big plays on his tape, you know,

777
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 3: a ton of big plays.

778
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Uh r.

779
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: J Harvey from UCF I think is another one.

780
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's in that mold.

781
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: I kind of looked at Dylan Samson is like day two,

782
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: and then R. J. Harvey is kind of like the

783
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: fourth round version of Dylan Samson. Jayden Blue from.

784
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Texas another fumbles guy, but yeap just explosive.

785
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: And Smith they give from s m U.

786
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Smith Richard Smith converted receiver, another fast guy.

787
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: So those are just a couple of names that I

788
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: came up with with speed running back. But you know,

789
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 3: how happy are you to hear that they're they're all in.

790
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: On the Yeah they should. I wonder if again, you know,

791
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: is Robert Craft using speedback in that like third down

792
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: back sense or the Quinn Allen and Woody Mark still

793
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: in that conversation. But yeah, it makes sense because I've

794
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: said this for a long time. If you lessen the

795
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: workload on on I don't said Ashton genty on ramondre Stevens,

796
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, you're gonna get more out of him. I

797
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: think ramondre Stevens in like eighteen to twenty carries a

798
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: game is going to be overall a better player than

799
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: if he's hey, he's saving to touch the ball. Like

800
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty times a game. So one way

801
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: you can do that do that is splitting by down.

802
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: But the other thing is you put ramondre Stevenson him

803
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: in early. You let him give the body blows. You

804
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: let him I know you don't believe in this, but

805
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: you let him wear down the defense and test them physically.

806
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: And then when that defense is hoffing and puffing and

807
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: beat up, you put that track star in there and

808
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: you let him loose. So maybe that's how they're gonna

809
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: break it up. I don't hate that if that is

810
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: the plan. Dylan Sampson in that lightning right thunder and

811
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: lightning role, Yeah, I don't know that. Dylan Samson's somebody

812
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: I want as a volume back. I just think the

813
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: way he runs, he's a sub back, right.

814
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: He's not a receiving back, He's a sub back.

815
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know how we always do that, all right,

816
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Antoine Smith, Kevin Fogg, La Garrett Blunt, James White, and

817
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: then we always kind of have to put Dion Lewis

818
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: in that other third thing. Yeah, he's more and I'd

819
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: put Tooting in this as well, Tuttan in this as well.

820
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: They're deon Lewis. They're in that third category. Uh uh

821
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: uh to Tennessee, we're just I just said his name,

822
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: oh dy, Dylan Samson, thank you. I was gonna say Edwards.

823
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: Samson's much bigger than he's six foot I think, right.

824
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's that tall.

825
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: I looked that up, but like he's that all right.

826
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna get ten carries a game, ten to twelve

827
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: carries a game. But we're gonna strategically place them where

828
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: we think the defense is worn't out, or we think

829
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: we have them biting on a look, and we're gonna

830
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: hit them with the setup off of that look where

831
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: he really is going to have a chance to break

832
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: something big. It's it's what raheem moster. It's been used

833
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: in that role in both San Francisco and Miami. That's

834
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: probably the most high profile I can think of a

835
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: guy recently that's been used like that.

836
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: So I have a I have a different different slight

837
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: different theory. Okay, same at different example. I should say, no,

838
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: different theory. I'm with you on the theory. It's a

839
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: little David Montgomery, jimior Gibbs right like that that I think, Yeah,

840
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: in Detroit is right now is the pinnacle. That's the pinnacle.

841
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: Rb Damage Sampson's only five eight.

842
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I didn't think he was that tall, but

843
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: he's uh, you know, two hundred pounds.

844
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 6: Though.

845
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah NFL dot Com and I I said,

846
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: this is a little lofty, but NFL dot Com comps

847
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: him to Brian Westbrook, which is obviously very lofty.

848
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Brian Westbrook is a great, was a great. Does anybody

849
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: have a better collection of players named Brian than the

850
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: early two thousands evils?

851
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Brian Westbrook is lanser lines comp on NFL

852
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: dot Com for Dylan Samson. So that kind of gives

853
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: you an idea. Is he gonna be as good as

854
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: Brian Westbrook? I don't know, but he gives you playing

855
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: style wise, it kind of gives you an idea of

856
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: what the guy plays like.

857
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

858
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing though, is you look at

859
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: you know, in Detroit they have Montgomery's kind of that

860
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: you know between the tackles, sledgehammer type of back, and

861
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: then Jamier Gibbs is the big play guy, you know,

862
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: with the speed obviously, so Trayvon Henderson I think it's

863
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: gonna go too early, Like I think you'd have to

864
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: take him at thirty eight, and I don't know if

865
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: they're prepared to do that. At running back, he's kind

866
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: of Jamior Gibbs light to me. Yeah, I don't think

867
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 3: he's quite as good as Jamior Gibbs or as explosive

868
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: as Jamior Gibbs. But he plays a real similar style

869
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: and moves similarly and is loose and fluid and all

870
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: that good stuff. But yeah, it's it's a it's coming.

871
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: Running backs coming at some point. Uh, mister Kraft's comments

872
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: with speedback would probably rule out Devin Neil.

873
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: Olie Gordon U, Damion Martinez.

874
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like those types of guys, I'm not going to

875
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: but based off of that comment alone reading it.

876
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: At Prize, they take two running backs in this draft.

877
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: A little I mean maybe in like one of those

878
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: seventh round, That's what I'm saying.

879
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, But if they added like Dylan Sampson and then

880
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: went back later and got who are like the power

881
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: backs late, or if they even like Dylan Samson, like

882
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Donovan Edwards.

883
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing though, is like if you look

884
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: at the at the backs and you know the late guys,

885
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: like there's not a ton.

886
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Oh what's his name from Clemson film MafA?

887
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah it could be him. But like when we

888
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: get late, like I'm thinking, you know, like you.

889
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: Know, like Quinn Allen, I want the Quinn Allen or

890
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: what and.

891
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: Yeah what he marks? Like those guys aren't powerbacks though,

892
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: those are receiving back right.

893
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: Well that's why I like, I wonder if that counts

894
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: as speed. No, I'm thinking, like do they if they

895
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: go with another back late? Let's say they take like

896
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: a guy like Tutt right or or one of these

897
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: faster backs, a guy like Raheem Sanders was the other

898
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: one who I couldn't think of, or or Phil MafA

899
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: or just one of the absolute bowling balls late in

900
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: the draft, rocket Sanders. Even a guy like Kyle Manongui

901
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: if he falls, who I think is quicker than people

902
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: give him credit, but he's still more. Probably he runs angry.

903
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: That kid runs mean. Man. He learned a lot clearly

904
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: from watching Isaya Pacheco. I'm not good with names today,

905
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, that one surprised me.

906
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so that that's running backs. You're getting

907
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: your wish on that one. Well, last thing about the

908
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: running backs really quickly. I don't get the impression that

909
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: when Rabel talked about the running backs, who's talking about

910
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: Ashton Genty. I could be wrong. Again, everything's on the table,

911
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure, But every single time he's been asked about

912
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 3: the running back room, he's back to Romandrie Stevens.

913
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: He talks about helping Stevenson, which is more of a

914
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: complimentary player. Yeah, they're drafting Ashton Genty at four to

915
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: be a complimentary back. That's not great.

916
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: Every time he talks about running backs, has been asked

917
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: about running backs, going all the way back to the combine,

918
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: Rabel has made a point to talk about the fumbling

919
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: with Stevenson and how they're going to fix that, Yeah,

920
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: and how he feels confident they're going to fix it.

921
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: He's gone even gone as far as as you know,

922
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: putting of the blame on the blocking and some of

923
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, what was going on around him last year too,

924
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: and people here like, well, it's not the running backs

925
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: fault that he fumbled, How is that true? Well, when

926
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: they got six guys hanging all over you and you're

927
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 3: and pulling at the ball all the time because you can't,

928
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: you're always in a cloud of dust. You know, when

929
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: every single time he touched the ball. That's sort of

930
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: what Rabel's talking about when he says that, you know,

931
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: it's not always the running backs fault when those types

932
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: of situations happen. So you're trying to break tackles, you're

933
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: trying to make plays, you got three guys hanging out,

934
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: and you fumble the ball, right like that. That that's

935
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: what you know. He's kind of getting at there. So

936
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: every time he has the opportunity to back Stevenson, he does.

937
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: He also get back to Antonio Gibson in this answer

938
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 3: a little bit as well. So if they were truly

939
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: thinking about adding a volume back, like adding a guy

940
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: that was going to be the feature back in the backfield,

941
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: like an Ashton Genty, I just don't feel like they

942
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: would be so complimentary. The guy's already on the team.

943
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Yeah, So going next one here, he

944
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 3: was asked about Tyler and I was kind of talking

945
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: to you about this before.

946
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: I I love.

947
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: Tight ends, but not as much as Mike Vrabel in

948
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: the first round. I will fully admit that I've been

949
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: burned in the past by tight ends early in the draft.

950
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: And I have a list and I'm gonna get to

951
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: my list in a second. But I have become a

952
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 3: little big gun shy when it comes to tight ends.

953
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Like I still believe Kyle Pitts is going to break out.

954
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 3: I just for me, it wasn't even so much Kyle

955
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: pits I was a huge TJ.

956
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Hockinson guy.

957
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: I thought TJ. Hockinson was going to be a really

958
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 3: good player in the league. And when I say really good,

959
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: he's a solid player, but I mean like he was

960
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: going to be a Brock Powers was. Yeah, like you know,

961
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: a legitimate, you know, needle moving tight end.

962
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: He's not that.

963
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: Ever since then, I've been wary of drafting tight ends early.

964
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: So here's my list I sent this to this morning.

965
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

966
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: So these are the tight ends in the last let's

967
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: call it ten or so drafts that were drafted in

968
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: the first round. And a couple of these guys were

969
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: raft to top ten. I want you to tell me

970
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: if you think that they were just last ten years

971
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: last ten years or so, I think I might have

972
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: gone a little bit further than ten.

973
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers, Yeah so far. Dalton Kinkaid, Bills don't really

974
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: use him right. I don't know how much. It's his fault,

975
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's lived up to that. You know,

976
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I was never a kN K guy, not as a

977
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: slot receiver certainly Kyle Pitts. Yeah, how much time to

978
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: you have on Kyle Pitts.

979
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: So Kyle pit is a fourth overall pick. He should

980
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: not have been a fourth overall pick, exact same draft slot.

981
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 3: The Falcons did not use him correctly. That hurt, but

982
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: he has also shown some shortcomings he shouldn't have been

983
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: picked for. So the interesting thing about Kyle Pitts is

984
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 3: that he had a great rookie year, Yeah, thousand yards

985
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: pro bowler, a great rookie season, and then never stopped

986
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: ever since then. It was literally the biggest drop off

987
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: you could ever.

988
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is one of the biggest nature versu nurture

989
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: players there is. To me, Tjack TJ. Howkinson, I still

990
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: think he's first round pick. Like he's worked and he

991
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: was taken late right later. No eighth overall, eighth overall.

992
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: He's a good player. I not worth the eighth overall

993
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: in this draft if you end up with the player

994
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: of that quality he did, Okay, no offense I like

995
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: no offense. I don't know that again, another guy that

996
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: is a good player. Was he worth where he went

997
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: in the draft? Probably not, but like he's a solid

998
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: starting NFL tight end. No, not worth it, he's worth

999
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: the first round pick, but like he's a he's a

1000
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: good yeah, fine player. Yeah. I don't want to get

1001
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: myself in trouble like I did last time we did

1002
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: this exercise.

1003
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: Hayden Hurst he.

1004
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: Had like that one year, right, was it in Yeah, Baltimore,

1005
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Atlanta he was in saying no, he's not first round talent,

1006
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: but he had that one year where he was in Carolina,

1007
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: So I have to think it was that.

1008
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: I have to fact check myself on this.

1009
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even remember hayden Hurst was a first

1010
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: round pick.

1011
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, hayden Hurst was older when he

1012
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: came into the league.

1013
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: He was in the twenty eighteen draft. He's thirty one now, so.

1014
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: He was twenty five as a rookie. Okay, so much

1015
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: older than Warren's gonna be twenty three. He's not gonna

1016
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: be twenty five, but still an older breakout player. First

1017
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: round pick at tight end O. J.

1018
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: Howard. No, And I liked Jay Howard, But when you

1019
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: don't have Clemson forgetting to cover him in the National Championship.

1020
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: He's not Jay Howard got drafted on one play.

1021
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: You got drafted in the first round one that whole

1022
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 3: game Championship, I know, but it was the one wide

1023
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: open touch.

1024
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Because Clem's in that entire game, said what if we

1025
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: just don't cover O. J. Howard? And they made him.

1026
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I remember I liked OJ Howard that year and I

1027
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: didn't think he was a first round pick, but I

1028
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: thought he was like relatively slept on. And then he

1029
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: had that game and everybody started putting him the first round,

1030
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: like Okay, hang on, now we've gone too far the

1031
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: other way. He was wide open, No, he's not. Also,

1032
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: hayden Hurst breakout year, I remember it being a bigger dealer.

1033
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: I remember people freaking out because like Baltimore moved on

1034
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: for him. After two years, they traded him and then

1035
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: he went to Land and I remember being like, wow,

1036
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: what a trade by the Falcons. Fifty six catches for

1037
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty yards and six touchdowns. That's fine. No,

1038
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst is not worth a first round pick, but

1039
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: they couldn't make Kyle Pitts work, so they just in Atlanta. O. J.

1040
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: Howard Hard No, No, I'm having fun with this, though.

1041
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: We should do this more often.

1042
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: Evan Ingram.

1043
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean he figured out in Jacksonville, but the Giants

1044
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: watched that bad up and down career. A lot of

1045
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: these are like teams could not figure out how to.

1046
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: This goes back to you're na cut in for a second.

1047
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: No, because you're gonna make my points. So just okay,

1048
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: let me finish the list and then we can David.

1049
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: And Joku another guy that I see what you're building towards.

1050
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to give your take. He was not

1051
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: initially worth a first round pick. He's been really good

1052
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: the last couple years.

1053
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: He's been better the last few years. I agree with that.

1054
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: That Stefanski offense has definitely helped him. Yeah, a good

1055
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: year in twenty three, eight hundred and eighty two yards,

1056
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: eighty one catches, six touchdowns, made the Pro Bowl, so

1057
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: you know has had years.

1058
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

1059
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: Worth the first round pick, I'd say in Joko is

1060
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: probably worth it.

1061
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not not a game change and he went

1062
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: high too, right Yeah, yeah, no, not a game not

1063
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: a top twenty pick. He went twenty ninth overall.

1064
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 3: So not too high.

1065
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm okay with that. I remember that was

1066
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: like a weaker tight end draft.

1067
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: I had to go a little bit further back, I

1068
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: think because I had to include this one, Eric Ebron, No.

1069
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: Tenth overall. Yeah, that was Eric Ebron.

1070
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I can't defend that one at all.

1071
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 3: And then the last one I had on here I

1072
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: think was one I think maybe yeah around thirteen or fourteen,

1073
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: fifteen years now, Tyler Iivert.

1074
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: He was fine, got hurt. He probably went too high

1075
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 1: where he went. Yeah, he was hurt a lot.

1076
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: So here's my point. When I look at this list.

1077
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: The one guy that I look at this list and

1078
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: I say that is a game changer, like that is

1079
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: a absolute stud, blue chip whatever you want to call it,

1080
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 3: is Bowers.

1081
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: And that's only one year. That's only off one year.

1082
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: Not that I think he's gonna regre.

1083
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: That's only off one year. Like you said, I think TJ.

1084
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 3: Hockinson is a nice player.

1085
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: In this draft, specifically, if they came away with the

1086
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: player who like equals the impact t J. Hawkinson makes, fine,

1087
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: I I yeah, that that's passable. That's a passing grade.

1088
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: Would I generally a bad what I generally feel about

1089
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: this list. I'm gonna call it. There's eleven names on

1090
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: the list. I think we're at maybe two that truly

1091
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: were worth the pick and panned out. Yeah, And the

1092
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: point I'm getting out with Tyler Warren, it is not

1093
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: a good history for tight ends in the first round.

1094
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: Well, it's just not what I want to add to

1095
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: that though. Tight end historically across the board at any round. Yeah,

1096
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: like brock Bowers is such an anomaly because that's the

1097
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: outside of maybe quarterback. That's the position that takes the

1098
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: longs to develop. A lot of those guys we talked

1099
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: about Evan Ingram, Hayden Hurst for a flash there. Who

1100
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: are some of the other guys You have to remind me,

1101
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: butku like they started to play like first round talents,

1102
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: but it wasn't until three, four or five years in

1103
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: and some Dotkinson too. Some of them had to change

1104
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: teams to do it. So that's another thing about that position,

1105
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: Like if you draft a tight end, you have to

1106
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: be patient because tight ends it's a lost art in

1107
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: the college game. Teams outside of Tyler Warren, teams don't

1108
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: use tight ends. They don't throw to tight ends. When

1109
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: they do it's generally a pretty limited routree, pretty limited

1110
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: sample size. Teams are not creative with the tight end

1111
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: position in college, whereas in the NFL right now, the

1112
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: tight end is as multiple a position as it's ever been.

1113
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: That's why part of the reason why me and I

1114
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: think some other people are so high on Tyler Warren.

1115
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: He's one of the few guys in recent years, not

1116
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: just this year, that played tight end in college the

1117
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: way he's going to play the position in the NFL.

1118
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: That doesn't really happen. So if you draft a tight end,

1119
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: you have to be willing to be patient and understand

1120
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: you might not get that impact year one. Brock Bauers

1121
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: is an anomaly. To just bring this back to the

1122
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Patriots and I don't know, this is kind of a

1123
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: side point to your point. This is why they should

1124
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: draft a tight end this year because Hunter Henry and

1125
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper have that position held down right now. Tight

1126
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: end is going to be a need in two or

1127
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: three years. I'd rather get that guy in the building

1128
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: now and start that development process now, because if you

1129
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: try to take that guy and make him an instant starter,

1130
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: the history is a tight end. Even if he pans

1131
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: out down the road. It's not gonna happen right away. Now,

1132
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: you don't need to make that pick at four. You

1133
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: can get that.

1134
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: Guy Gunner Helm Terrence Fergus right.

1135
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: So, well, this is where to go back to Vrabel

1136
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: the way he talked about it. How many tight ends

1137
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: can we play it once and want to be multiple?

1138
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: I kind of wrote it off. That's short of blocking.

1139
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: There weren't going to be a ton of snaps available

1140
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: for a rookie tight end in New England. And to me,

1141
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: unless you're going to take a right tackle to step

1142
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: in for Morgan Moses, your picks at four, thirty eight,

1143
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: sixty nine, and seventy seven, those are guys that need

1144
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: to be playing this year. They need to be playing

1145
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: at least a regular rotational role, if not more. Is

1146
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: a If you take Mason Taylor, it's seventy seven, Yeah,

1147
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: how much is he really going to play? Well? Hearing

1148
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: Vrabel talk, maybe there are gonna be some more thirteen sets.

1149
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Maybe there are gonna be some opportunities for that guy

1150
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: to play over you know this all pending injury to

1151
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: play over Austin Hooper. So yeah, I'm more open to

1152
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: the idea of taking a tight end higher now because

1153
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: I think there's more snaps available than I previously thought

1154
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: for still still very rich, but it's it's a double

1155
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: edged sword. I think they should draft a tight end

1156
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: this year, but I think you're drafting one knowing he's

1157
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: not going to play a ton are there? You know

1158
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: what these higher picks should we be drafting guys that

1159
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: are gonna play more? So my other part of this

1160
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: take yeah, but does that fit in with your list

1161
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: that like it's a later breakout position.

1162
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lader breakout position.

1163
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: It takes.

1164
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: It's a steep learning curve coming into the league. You

1165
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 3: broke it down pretty well. Basically. On top of that,

1166
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: it's a mental hurdle because you have to be in

1167
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: the run game and in the past game. You have

1168
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: a featured role in both phases of the game. Whereas

1169
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: a receiver, if you're blocking out on the perimeter, you

1170
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: kind of just go about your day. Yeah, tight end,

1171
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 3: you have to know your run blocking assignments. You need

1172
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: to know the playbook on the run side, and you

1173
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: know the playbook in the past. You need to know

1174
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: pass protection right because you might be in the protection sometimes,

1175
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: so you have to know all these different elements to

1176
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: be able to play a high volume role as a rookie.

1177
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: The other element of it too, that I would just say,

1178
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: with specifically to Warren that has me a little bit

1179
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: concerned about him individually. I have also been burned by

1180
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: the well rounded tight end, right, the guy that is versatile,

1181
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 3: that does it all well.

1182
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: It's more than just well rounded, though.

1183
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: But Hockinson was that way. Hockinson was well a well

1184
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: rounded tight end. He came in and you said, he

1185
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: can block, he can catch the ball, he can line

1186
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: up everywhere like this is this is a NFL. You know,

1187
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: that's what we want in the NFL. Right, That kind

1188
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: of tight end a lesser version of these two players,

1189
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: but simply like Michael Mayer. I was huge on Michael

1190
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: Mayer coming out, same sort of.

1191
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: Thing Michael Mahy and Michael Mayer was always an in

1192
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: line tight end. I remember talking about this. Nobody was

1193
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: ever trying to play Michael Mayer on the outside, No.

1194
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: But my point being is that he was. He could

1195
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: block and he could catch pass. Oh yeah, he was

1196
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 3: this well rounded guy. What we've seen I think with

1197
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: the tight end position, specifically over the last couple of years.

1198
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: Is that the guys that are are hitting are truly

1199
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: receivers Sam Laporta, brock Bowers, right, like guys that are explosive,

1200
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 3: dynamite receivers. I would say Warren's a really good receiver.

1201
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: He's a really good player. I don't know if I

1202
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: see a gear that brock Bowers brings to the table

1203
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: in terms of his explosiveness.

1204
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: And he's not brock Powers. He's not, and people gonna

1205
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: want to be because it's copycat league and you're drafting him.

1206
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: Four overall, so he should be a guy that comes

1207
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: in and has eleven.

1208
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: I would think you'd be more worried about him being

1209
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: a late breakout player.

1210
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit concerned about that too.

1211
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: That's on the list. He's a very even as late

1212
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: breakout players go, he's late.

1213
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's definitely part of the concern. But I

1214
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: just look at his receiving tape and it's a lot

1215
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: of I'm just bigger, stronger than you, and I'm just

1216
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: gonna muscle you off the ball, right, I'm gonna push

1217
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: you out of the way, and I'm gonna get targeted

1218
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: on this context like he had that catch Uh, I

1219
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: think it's against Texas or the guy's like draping all

1220
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: over him and he just you know, caught it through

1221
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: the contact. It's like that's a great catch. But the

1222
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: coverage is he's wearing coverage right, like the guy's on

1223
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: his back, like it's just tight coverage. So I just

1224
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: I look at these tight ends now a little bit

1225
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 3: differently because I've been burning the past. I'm not trying

1226
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: to crap all over Tyler Warren. I know that's how

1227
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: it's gonna come across. I just I really we're just

1228
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: crapping on tight ends as a whole. But four overall

1229
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: is just too rich for me. It's just too rich

1230
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: for me for that kind of player.

1231
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 4: Uh.

1232
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: I think I would be more inclined if it was

1233
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: like Brock Bowers two point zero. Now, Colson Lovelin's probably

1234
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: the closest thing to that, but he had the you know,

1235
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: the injury and the lack of sample size and all

1236
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: that stuff, so he wasn't even quite Bronck powers either.

1237
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: But that's Tyler Warren. I just don't see it happening.

1238
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't see the alignment. We're talking about need value,

1239
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, all that kind of stuff sort of aligning

1240
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: for them to make a pick at four. Overall, I

1241
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: just don't necessarily see it with Tyler Warrent being the

1242
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: best option there as they're talking about it on your station.

1243
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say I looked up. This is all

1244
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: I can bertrand for either showing Tyler world.

1245
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: He's a great player.

1246
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: That's a good block right there.

1247
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: I highlighted that block when we did the thing, did our.

1248
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: Breakdown some breakaway speed.

1249
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: He's a very good player. I just I worry about

1250
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: the history of tight ends. I worry about his age.

1251
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: I just worry about a lot of those different types

1252
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: of things. I'm not saying he's not gonna be good

1253
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: in the NFL. I'm just saying I don't think he's

1254
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 3: the right pick for the page.

1255
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: Worried about his floor. I actually feel pretty good he's

1256
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna be good player in the NFL. I just don't

1257
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be a great player in the NFL.

1258
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: That's where I like, I think, how much better is

1259
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: and he's good, he's good. Is he gonna get much

1260
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: better than he is right now? That's what I wonder.

1261
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: When he is right now is a solid starting tight end? Yeah,

1262
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: and he's actually a guy that might be immune to

1263
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: that whole late breakout thing for tight ends because he's older.

1264
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: But that's where I'm like, just get a guy later,

1265
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: red shirt him for a year, not really red shirtum,

1266
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: let him play. And then that's why I think like

1267
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Mitchell Evans makes so much sense on

1268
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: early on day three because if they removed from the

1269
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: injury right, if they drafted Mitchell Evans, even is he

1270
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: their best blocking tight end? The second he steps on.

1271
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: The field, he'd be a good tight end.

1272
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's gonna have a role year one blocking

1273
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna get to grow and learn from

1274
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: two great receiving tight ends and two great guys to

1275
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: learn from veterans in Henry and Austin Hooper. And then

1276
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 1: in a year or two when it's time to turn

1277
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: the position over, he's already been playing and he has

1278
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: some experience and now you get him full go. Like

1279
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: that is such a perfect development plan to me, Mitchell Evans,

1280
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: like that really is? There's other guys I like to

1281
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: I would just say that's the guy I really want

1282
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: for them.

1283
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that pick too. On day three, I

1284
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: wonder where exactly gunner Helm falls in this draft. I

1285
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: know that he has reasons for why he ran so

1286
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: poorly with the He had like an ankle thing to.

1287
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: Stop doing that. Kishan did stop running the forty on

1288
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: spring ankle.

1289
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: But but I just wonder it's a deep class. There's

1290
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 3: a lot of defensive talent in the in the class

1291
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: two running back talent going to push some of these

1292
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: guys down potentially, like if gunner Helm were to fall

1293
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: to the fourth round, like I definitely would entertain.

1294
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: That he's another late breakout guy.

1295
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: Well, he had Jatavian Sanders in front of him at Texas.

1296
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: That's the one where I got burned a tight end.

1297
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I thought Jatavian Sanders is gonna be sick.

1298
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was a good player.

1299
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: Where are you at just well, we're on tight ends? Yeah,

1300
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: where are you at with Bryson Nesbit? We there has

1301
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: not been nearly as much bryceon seventh round, Like you

1302
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: think he's at low.

1303
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't run very well. Uh, he's kind of

1304
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: a finesse player, but he's got a great report with

1305
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: Drake may Uh, he's a seam runner, like I think

1306
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: he still can do that sort of thing good red

1307
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: zone feel to him as well. On that Drake may tape.

1308
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 3: So I think that he's potentially an NFL player. I

1309
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: just wouldn't use it a super high draft pick where

1310
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: he was also really light.

1311
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one more, where are you

1312
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: at with Ronde Gadson? I reminder where he went to

1313
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: school Syracuse. I haven't watched him yet. I still have

1314
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: to do some of those deeper tight ends. A couple

1315
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: of the guys that stood out to me though, the

1316
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: kid from Alabama and Block, c J. Drip. Yeah, yeah,

1317
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: he's not bad. Yeah, but you know who I want.

1318
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's a he's a true blocking ping in,

1319
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: but he can block.

1320
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: I think if they're gonna go true blocking tight end.

1321
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: So Drip's like a sixth, seventh round pick. Yeah, you

1322
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: have all those sevens, you know, can you move up

1323
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: a little bit or maybe you move down you end

1324
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: up with a pick in the fifth I like Jackson

1325
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: Hawes in Georgia Tech. That kid's mean. That kid's a bully.

1326
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: He uh from Clemson. Dwayne Allen. Yeah, Like, I don't

1327
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: know how they might throw them the ball. He might

1328
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: be here four years. They might throw the ball five times. Yeah,

1329
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: but he's going to contribute in a run game. I'll

1330
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: tell you that much right now. You should watch Gadson.

1331
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: He's an he converted wide receiver, very fascinating player. He

1332
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: can do some more things than Nesbit, but he also

1333
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: does some of the things Nesbit does well well. So

1334
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: if the Patriots want to get Drake may a player

1335
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: like Nesbit who he succeeded with, but maybe they're not

1336
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: sold on Nesbit, I wonder for er Andy Gatzon could

1337
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: be that guy.

1338
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have to get to some of the

1339
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: deeper tight ends. I've been doing some defense positions that

1340
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: I haven't done, which we can talk about here in

1341
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: the second hour some recent zy biased guys with that.

1342
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: Just really quickly. I know that I want to get

1343
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: to the emails and the calls, so a couple of

1344
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 3: other things real fast. Christian Barmore sounds like trending in

1345
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: the right direction at this point, and nothing against Christian

1346
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: barmoer whatsoever. This is a hope for the best, expect

1347
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: the worst kind of thing to me. If he's there,

1348
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: fantastic for the worst, Yeah what I say, expect, Oh

1349
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: prepare sorry if he's there, fantastic, But I do think

1350
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: they need to add a player, not the first round necessarily,

1351
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: but a player like him that can fill that role

1352
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 3: in case he's not.

1353
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, a go or at least a full go.

1354
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, thats a with bar More. I think that was

1355
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 3: my list. You know, Travis Hunters, they talked obviously about

1356
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: him a little.

1357
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: Bit, but I have a thought on Vrabel and Wolf

1358
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: both talked about Hunter Wolf did with k Adams. Yeah,

1359
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: and I love the development plan that they laid out,

1360
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: and it's what I've kind of talked about. And Vrabel

1361
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: went a little bit further than Wolf didn't talking about it,

1362
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: but mentioned him majoring in one position minory in another,

1363
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: and also said that there's certain details at either position

1364
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: that he is really going to have to hone to

1365
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: hit his ceiling at the NFL level. It doesn't mean

1366
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: it's a bad player, but it's just he's never fully

1367
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: focused on one of these positions before. If you allow

1368
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: him to do that and let him get where he

1369
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: needs to be at one position, which in New England

1370
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: should be wide receiver, and then once you feel comfortable

1371
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: where he's at there, whether it's in six months, a year,

1372
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: or two years, then you start to add in the

1373
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: defensive stuff or the other whatever, River is the other

1374
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: side of the ball, Like that's how they should do it.

1375
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: I and Wolf talked about that as well. I love

1376
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: the development plan and they laid out for Travis Hunter.

1377
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: Hypothetical obviously, but I mean, if they're gonna take him,

1378
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: it seems like, Okay, here we go, this is the blueprint.

1379
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's have I not been talking about

1380
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: that since like October? Yeah, that that's exactly how they

1381
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: chandled it. So loved, loved what they said about Travis Hunter. Yeah,

1382
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: I agree with all that.

1383
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: Some quarterback rumors, Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh sounds like a

1384
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 3: done deal. There's kind of timing and contract negotiation and

1385
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: all that time.

1386
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: Apparently he's like set to be on McAfee next week

1387
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: I think, or not that McAfee's doing a show in

1388
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh or something like it's gonna get announced uff.

1389
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so waiting for Yeah, it feels like

1390
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 3: that is coming. It also feels like unless Cleveland does

1391
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 3: draft Shador Sanders, that Kirk Cousins to Cleveland sounds like

1392
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 3: you think it's in that order. I think that he

1393
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: wants to not get Michael Pennix again and is trying

1394
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: to avoid that situation repeating itself. So my guess is

1395
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: that Kirk Cousins waits till after the draft to pick

1396
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 3: his destination, and whoever is left without a chair in

1397
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: the quarterback musical chairs, we'll get Kirk Cousins, would be

1398
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: my guess.

1399
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: But we'll see about that.

1400
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: And then your boy Joe Milton in the rumors a

1401
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: little bit so some more Joe Milton still, I think

1402
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 3: is mass live their duo there Mart Daniels and Karen

1403
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: reporting that there have been calls or have been offers

1404
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: for Joe Milton, and I think the biggest thing to

1405
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: me with Joe Milton, I've been consistent on this. I

1406
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't trade himunless it's for a Day two pick. If

1407
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 3: you get blown away with an offer second third round pick,

1408
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: I would take it. The only reason why I would

1409
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 3: trade him. And I didn't read the full story, so

1410
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: if this is misquoting, I apologize, But what I the

1411
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 3: excerpt that I saw mentioned that Joe Milton might want

1412
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 3: to be someplace where he has more.

1413
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: Of a path to the start. I don't think that

1414
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: was like so much immediately demanding a trade as it was.

1415
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: Not immediately demanding a trade.

1416
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: Eventually he won, Like he knows he's not gonna be

1417
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: the starting back here.

1418
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: I do wonder how much for Vrabel, who's big on culture,

1419
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 3: big on the energy of the room, all that kind

1420
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 3: of stuff, Josh Dobbs has no expectations whatsoever of being

1421
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: a starter. He's a veteran backup quarterback, exactly what you want,

1422
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 3: you know, for a young QB. I wonder if maybe

1423
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: they get to the point where they feel like there's

1424
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: a little bit too much tension there. Well, I also want,

1425
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: like know Max Zones Bailey's and we talked.

1426
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: About this during the draft, and you would talk to

1427
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: people in Tennessee about this, how great Joe Milton is

1428
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: in these situations. And he had the one game against Buffalo,

1429
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: but he went through this in Tennessee where he was

1430
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: supposed to be the starter, got beat out by Hendon Hooker,

1431
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: and he was incredibly supportive of Hendon Hooker throughout all that. So,

1432
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: like he seems character wized like a guy Mike Rabe

1433
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: would want around. Yeah, has that changed in a year? Maybe?

1434
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: But is it? Hey just give us like we're gonna

1435
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: give you a chance but just give us time to

1436
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: find the right you know, the right deal. Somebody has

1437
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: a quarterback at hurting camp. Maybe somebody doesn't get the

1438
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: quarterback they want the draft, they don't get cousins. They

1439
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in a rush. You're not trading Joe Milton

1440
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: just to trade Joe Milton. Should be trading Joe Milton

1441
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: because somebody makes it worth your while, or because he

1442
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: puts too much pressure on you that you have to

1443
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: do it all right.

1444
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: Very last thing, and this one's kind of tongue in cheek.

1445
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, my guy, the head coach of the Chicago Bears,

1446
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: a head coach in the NFL mentioning EPA, Alex, how

1447
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 3: did that make you feel watching Ben Johnson give an

1448
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: honest answer about how the most important stat in football

1449
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: is expected points added? What do you have a care

1450
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: to comment on this? Because you always told me that

1451
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: nobody in the league actually uses EPA.

1452
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: I didn't say that, and I said they'd be wrong

1453
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: to I now a head coaches, I never said nobody

1454
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: use it.

1455
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: Now a head coach in the NFL at the league

1456
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: meetings is saying that the most important stat in football

1457
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: is expected points added on pass attempts. Passing EPA is

1458
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 3: the most important. You win eighty percent of the games.

1459
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 3: The team with the higher passing EPA wins eighty percent

1460
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 3: of the time. So everybody's goal should be passing efficiency.

1461
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 3: That doesn't Let's make sure everybody understands. That doesn't mean

1462
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 3: passing volume. There's a difference. It doesn't mean throw it

1463
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 3: fifty times, right, it means so how many of those

1464
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 3: teams efficient passing team?

1465
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: What was the Patriots EPA when they threw the ball?

1466
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: Passing EPA when they threw the ball three times and

1467
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: beat the Bills in Buffalo? Wasn't good? It wasn't no.

1468
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 3: So that was a they had who had what one completion?

1469
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: Like?

1470
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 3: How it had been good?

1471
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how this made up stat works. You

1472
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: tell me when it's on the scoreboard, and I'll tell

1473
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: you that it matters, okay, And I hope Bears fans

1474
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: are ready some of the time. I hope Bears fans

1475
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: are ready for the inevitable. They lose a big game

1476
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: and heartbreaking fashion, and Ben Johnson gets asked, what you

1477
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: know we would have changed, and he says, well, you know,

1478
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: our EPA was good, so we just need to keep

1479
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: doing it that way. Well, if it's a playoff game,

1480
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: you don't get to keep it that way because your

1481
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: season's over. The only coach who can get away with

1482
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: that technique, there's one coach that answers questions that way. Pee,

1483
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: there's one question, love it. There's one coach that you're

1484
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna like this. There's one coach that answers questions that

1485
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 1: way can get away with it, and that's Joe Mizzula.

1486
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: When he goes up there when the Celtics looms and says, well,

1487
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, we we liked our looks, so we'll just

1488
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: keep Well, he also has like the Bears aren't exactly

1489
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: the Celtics roster wise.

1490
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know if it's going to be successful.

1491
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 3: I don't like, I don't know if Ben John's going

1492
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: to have the talent. I don't know if they're going

1493
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: to you're to your point, like, I don't know if

1494
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 3: he's going to be successful in Chicago. But the exact

1495
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: name I was going to bring up, I was going

1496
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 3: to cross sports and I was going to bring up

1497
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: Joe Mizzula, who is a big believer and expected outcomes

1498
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 3: right like in terms of you know, shots.

1499
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: Joe Mizzoola is also a big believer in having two

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Speaker 1: of the top what ten players in the league on

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Speaker 1: his roster.

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Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing. All I'm telling you is is that

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Speaker 3: these people believe you can.

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Speaker 1: Make any philosophy work with Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, christops Porz,

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01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: Drew Holiday. I'm leaving get there at big Al Chris

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Speaker 1: I said, I thought, I said them. All I am

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: telling you is that we live in We live in

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Speaker 1: an expected kid get the starting center. We live in

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Speaker 1: an expected world right now?

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Speaker 3: We expected?

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Speaker 1: We don't. We live in reality. We live in the world.

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Speaker 1: That was loud. We live in the reality world. That's

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Speaker 1: the whole point. There, you go. We don't live in

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Speaker 1: the expected world. We live in the reality world. Did

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Speaker 1: you win the game or not? Did the shot go

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01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: in or not? Did you complete the paths or not?

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: You can't sit there under the game that you lose

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01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: and say, well, no, that pass a corner of the math.

1519
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: That pass should have been completed, so we're fine it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Why figure it out. Fixes. Don't just say the numbers

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,480
Speaker 1: will fix themselves, because it's so ridiculous. It's not ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Everything in the closet.

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Speaker 3: If you expect stick to your process right, and you

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: do what you know, you do it over and over again,

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: and you stick to it and you're consistent with it.

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Speaker 3: The whole point of it is is that eventually, if

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: you are shooting a bunch of threes, but a bunch

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01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 3: of them are open, they will eventually go in. And

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01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: if you have good shooters, Yeah, one night one.

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Speaker 1: Of half night shooters is a big if.

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 3: But one off night in March might happen. Well, actually

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01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: one every game in March, but one off night in

1533
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 3: January or might happen right, But over the course of

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01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 3: a season and over a course of a playoff run,

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01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: you will win the vast majority of your game.

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Speaker 1: What happens when and we've seen the thunder do this

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Speaker 1: to the Celtics. What happens when somebody figures out a

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: way to counter that x's and o's I agree, you can't.

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: I agree. A lot of these guys don't pivot. And

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what my problem is. If if if they figure

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: out a way to counter what he's doing, because now

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have Pinay soul, and he doesn't have that's

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: different Brown, that's personnel, But he doesn't. This is you

1544
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: can't go up there after a loss and say, well,

1545
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: our EPA was good, so we feel good about what

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01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: we did. What happens when the vikings right, No, Brian

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01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: bran Flores get hired. Why can't I remember he's the

1548
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: defensive cod What happens when Brian Floores, who's like an

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: actual good football coach, goes up there and comes up

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Speaker 1: with the scheme that counters the strategy? Yeah, I know

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01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: you are the strategy that Ben Johnson thinks is a

1552
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: good EPA. Okay, But what happens when you're really going

1553
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: to just go up there and be like, well, no,

1554
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: the EPA still works. We're not going to change anything.

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Speaker 3: So the difference is in this scenario with football specifically,

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01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 3: I think makes it different than basketball. Basketball there are

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01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: situations high leverage situations too at the end of games,

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 3: but truly over the course of four quarters, it's really

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 3: not until the very end of the game that it's

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 3: a high leverage situation when it's close.

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Speaker 1: In the regular season, on the playoff playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I would say in football it's different because you have

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: third and fourth downout the game or high leverage situations.

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Speaker 3: I think what happened with the Lions is that they

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: were so aggressive on for down to a fault, especially

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 3: two years ago in the NFC Championship game. So that's

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Speaker 3: that's your argument, right, It's can those guys when situation

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: comes down to it and Kyle Shanahan has a ten

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Speaker 3: point lead in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: can they close it out?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 3: Can they call the game to close it out? But

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Speaker 3: the point that that Ben Johnson was making is really

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: nothing different than what Mike Rabel said in his introductory

1575
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: press conference, and that's why I wanted to make sure

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 3: it was clear. We're not talking about volume of passers.

1577
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 3: We're talking about having an efficient passing game.

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Speaker 1: Efficient like you shouldn't eed math.

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Speaker 3: If you want to measure that by e PA, you

1580
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 3: want to measure that by passer rating, like passer rating differential,

1581
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 3: like what you give up and what you you know,

1582
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 3: score in terms of passer rating on offense is also

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01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 3: a very indicative stat of winning. But what I like

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: so much about what he said the most, and it's

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 3: gonna go right up. I'm so excited to tell you this.

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Speaker 3: The most exciting part about it was that he said

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Speaker 3: that pass EPA has overcome or surpassed, I should say

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01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 3: an importance turnover differential, which I am just in love

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01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 3: with that line. That is a fantastic, fantastic thing to

1590
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: hear an NFL head coach actually know the numbers and

1591
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 3: know that this is the facts of the matter right

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01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 3: now in the league. So all turnovers are bad. No

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01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 3: one wants to turn the ball over. No one's advocating

1594
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 3: for turn the ball over. But if you're holding back

1595
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 3: to you know, protect the football and you know, run

1596
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 3: clock and control the game and YadA ya, if you're

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: doing all that stuff to a detriment of your passing game,

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Speaker 3: then you were also not going to be successful doing that.

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Speaker 1: So I just I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I loved every second of that answer from Ben Johnson.

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: I also knew it was gonna get you riled up,

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01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: so I had to bring it up.

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: But that was cool.

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01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 3: It was cool to hear a head coach in the

1605
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 3: NFL talk like that. Whether you like it or not,

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: is a total side.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens when they're negative in the turnover

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Speaker 1: margin halfway through the season out of a playoff spot.

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Speaker 1: If you're still talking about that, we'll leave the ep

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Speaker 1: They'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll find out during football season. But if

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Speaker 3: the phones. I'm sorry we've been keeping you on hold,

1624
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: but I had to get that Ben Johnson thing in

1625
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: there just to rile Alex up. Patty is an ago on.

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01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: What's up? Patty? Patty?

1627
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 3: Patty? Are you still thereat?

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01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: Go ahead?

1629
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 3: Patty?

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: All right? What's up?

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: Good?

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01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 2: So I want to cover a few things. I'll go

1633
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: quick so you can see the out of collars. First thing,

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if Mike Brabel when they're

1635
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 2: having this voluntary workout, what is it the seventh I

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: think yes, he is a very close eye on who's

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01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: paying attention, who's working hard. And it's subsequently like if

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01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 2: we see them take two receivers in the draft, I

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01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: think that's probably a good indication that like one or

1640
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: two of the receivers wasn't taken the voluntary program too. Seriously,

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01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's just something that that popped inside

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: my feeble head, you know. The second thing I want

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Speaker 2: to do, and then I'll end with the question for

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01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 2: you guys. I'm going to give you guys a list

1645
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 2: of four names, and I want you to tell me

1646
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: not likely, likely, or extremely likely that the Patriots would

1647
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,520
Speaker 2: draft these guys. The first one, Jack Sawyer.

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01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: Likely, Yeah, I'd agree with that. On the list.

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01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: Second one, Cody Simon.

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna get drafted. I don't know. I can see

1651
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: his Patriots at lineback from Ohio State.

1652
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard much buzz about him getting drafted.

1653
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: He I could see them being interested either late or

1654
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: is he UDFA I could see them being interested in him,

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01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: right the lineback from Ohio State, that's what you're talking about.

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01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, he kind of fits their mold smaller.

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: I think he six but one five Yeah, yeah, was

1658
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: the MVC defensive MVP of the National Championship Game and

1659
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: plus the Ohio State ties. I think it makes sense.

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01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: Maybe at that tick two thirty eight, or like you said,

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01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: maybe he goes undrafted and they they bring him in.

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: Last two guys, yep, Drew Kendall likely, very likely.

1664
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of u of Drew Kendall hype

1665
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: right now.

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, becoming a popular name. Thanks for the colle had

1667
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: more fourth guy come off last week too. I'm sorry,

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01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, Yeah, don't hang up on me

1670
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 2: because I do have a question after Okay, the last one.

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing, likely.

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01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: All right? Yeah, I would love Drew Kendall to be

1673
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: our future center. I would love to see him get

1674
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: taken this year. So the question is, will Campbell is

1675
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: the pick at number four? They're gonna pick a wide

1676
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: receiver with the second pick, whether it be trade up,

1677
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 2: both of you guys, give me your ideal guy, and

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01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: I'll take it.

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: Off the air to trade up from the second round.

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01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: So I'll give you two yeah, or just to I

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: think he meane like if they take Campbell as the

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01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: next pick, either trade up or staying at thirty eight. Yeah,

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01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: if they trade up, it's Matthew Golden. I don't even

1684
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,879
Speaker 1: know is Golden going to go where they can realistically

1685
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: get up to I.

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01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 3: Have a take on gold It doesn't sound like it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then, honestly, you know, I'm kind of starting

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01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: to like a little bit more. I think I think

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Speaker 1: stay at thirty eight and get him. You might have

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01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: to move up like within the second round. Can they

1691
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: do the inverse of the trade they made with the

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Speaker 1: Chargers last year to get up from like thirty eight

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Speaker 1: to thirty three or thirty four? Is Elik a Omanner

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: from Stanford? Yeah, I kind of come around on him

1695
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. Is like there's something there. I don't

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01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: I don't put him in the same tier as like

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01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: Golden or Ibuka or Burden. But if they're gonna stay

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01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: at thirty eight, and those are those guys all go

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: in the first round and they're gonna trade up a

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: little bit in the second, you know, Trey Harris is

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01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: in there too, but I think a manner of a

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01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: little more juice in his game, Like I think his

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01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: upside it's a little higher. I wouldn't hate them taking

1704
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 1: that shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was it.

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01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to cut you off.

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Speaker 3: Thank thanks, Patty thinks I got call as always really

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01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 3: quickly on on your manner since you brought him up. Yeah,

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01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 3: I actually really liked his tape when I watched it. Yeah,

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 3: and then you kind of dig into some of you know,

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01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 3: the separation metrics and some of the contested catch starts

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Speaker 3: with all that, it's his His separation is not great,

1713
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 3: it's not high end. But what I really liked about

1714
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: him was his release and you know, his uh, his

1715
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 3: acceleration after the release, like he's got a little bit

1716
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: of that down gear to him where he can get vertical.

1717
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 3: Had tap against Travis Hunter a couple of years ago,

1718
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: probably the best tape that anybody's had against cornerback Travis Hunter.

1719
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 3: Him ortet, you know, really good, and so I I

1720
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 3: really liked him. It doesn't sound like it sounds like

1721
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 3: we're kind of in the minority on him a little bit,

1722
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: like I feel like he's kind of cooled. Yeah, to

1723
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 3: maybe like a third round guy, fourth round guys. So yeah,

1724
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 3: I think a little bit.

1725
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I mean they can get him there, great, awesome.

1726
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 3: But I think the main reason for that is just

1727
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: some of the separation stuff. Doesn't love him. But we'll see, uh,

1728
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 3: you know what, what the case may be there. He's

1729
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 3: also not like totally like he's kind of new to football.

1730
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 3: I remember talking to him at the Combine about this.

1731
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 3: I think he's Canadian, I want to say. And I

1732
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 3: think like hockey was a potential path for him for

1733
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 3: a while and then he decided to focus on football.

1734
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 3: I believe that I have that story right, So I

1735
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 3: think that there that was a piece of it.

1736
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't taking a shot on a guy like that.

1737
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 3: No, I think he's got really good film. They a

1738
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 3: player that I compared him to a little bit. Just

1739
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 3: when I say this name, everybody thinks of the Patriots version,

1740
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 3: think of the Pittsburgh version of Juju Smith Schuster. Yeah,

1741
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 3: old Juju Smith Schuster. All right, I just say young

1742
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 3: Juju Smith.

1743
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: He went a man, went high school in mass Jesses.

1744
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: He was a deep deerfield academy. How totally missed that.

1745
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's like, you know, one of

1746
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 3: the three good football programs in Massa.

1747
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: Chusets high school football.

1748
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: All right, Tim is in Seattle. It's up, Tim, Hey.

1749
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 7: I was gone, guys. Hey, So I was hoping that

1750
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 7: one or both of you could kind of touch on

1751
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 7: Ariante Erstrie and sort of his performance against you know,

1752
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 7: elite defensive ends at the left tackle position, if you know,

1753
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 7: obviously I do Carter being the most recent or relevant

1754
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 7: I guess in this draft, and then kind of compare

1755
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 7: that to some of the top end talents that Campbell's

1756
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 7: facing the SCC and you know what the gap is

1757
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 7: between those two players based on the tape of the

1758
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 7: last couple of years.

1759
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, thanks for the college. Thanks thanks for the

1760
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 3: call to him. You're bigger story guy. Yes, he's your

1761
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 3: type of player. Yep, big dude, yep, big guy block people.

1762
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: Well, but he's he's really athletic too. He's not like

1763
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: he's not Holling Pears, who's just big.

1764
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like he's also really athletic. He's really athletic.

1765
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: He was on who does the Freaks List? Is it

1766
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: Brugler does the Freaks List?

1767
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 3: No, it's uh Bruce Felman.

1768
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't know, Bruce Flman every year does

1769
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 1: like the College Football Freaks List, and it's exactly what

1770
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: it sounds like, the guys that are like insane athletes.

1771
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 3: I think he was on it twice, so, uh, he's

1772
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 3: a I see a lot of really good movement in

1773
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 3: the run game with him. I think there's a little

1774
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: bit of ways to go there. In pass protection, I

1775
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: have some concerns about you know, pad level, hand places,

1776
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: man strike timing thing, you know, just like technical stuff.

1777
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 3: He balks high like he's kind of like one of

1778
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 3: these guys that comes over like this and like blocks up.

1779
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

1780
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't know Trent Brown, Yeah, like Trent Brown Orlando Brown,

1781
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 3: like those bigger tackles that aren't exactly nimble but are

1782
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 3: really hard to go right through and you know, have

1783
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 3: enough of a kick out of their stands. I think

1784
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: that's probably where his athleticism and pass protection shows up

1785
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 3: the most, is he's, uh, he kicks out of his

1786
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 3: stands really nicely.

1787
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: If you if you watch him against Carter, Carter keeps

1788
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: just trying to get deep on him. He's just trying

1789
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: to go straight up field and the end and he's

1790
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: able to stay with Carter a lot in that game

1791
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: going back with them until eventually Carter realized it wasn't

1792
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna work. But like, that's not for guy that size

1793
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: to move backwards like that. Yeah, No, he's not easy.

1794
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 3: He's got a good kick kick out of his stands,

1795
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 3: like he gets some real uh covers a lot of

1796
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: ground there, which makes the guy go around, you know,

1797
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 3: further away from the quarterback and keeps that leverage. I

1798
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: would just say, you know, there's a couple of times

1799
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 3: on film where he lets guys into his chest. He

1800
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 3: should not be getting bull rushed. Yeah, at that size,

1801
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 3: he does get bull rushed on occasion. And his redirect

1802
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 3: like his ability to change directions and slide his feet

1803
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: isn't great, isn't high end. I wouldn't say, but he's

1804
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 3: a great run blocker. He's a punishing run blocker, A

1805
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 3: kind of a weapon, honestly in that area, like Minnesota

1806
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: would move him around like they'd play him in some

1807
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 3: unbalanced lines and move him to the right side, like

1808
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: goal line and things like that and just run right

1809
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 3: behind nurserie just to get you know, punch the ball in.

1810
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: I like his tap a lot. I just don't know

1811
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 3: if he's going to be a great pass protector in

1812
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 3: the league. He's probably gonna be one of those guys

1813
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 3: that's a really good run blocker and just an adequate

1814
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 3: pass protector.

1815
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: He is probably like in an ideal world, I think

1816
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: he'd be a right tackle. Yeah, but he's a guy

1817
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: that I would give a shot at left tackle. And

1818
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: if that doesn't work, he moved him over for Morgan Moses.

1819
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's got some tremendous tools. You

1820
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: give him to Doug Marone. I do think that there's

1821
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: a like he could be. He's not going to be

1822
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, but he can be starting left tackle in

1823
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: the NFL.

1824
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I I you know, kind of kicked

1825
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 3: around a couple of comms with him. You know, Brandon

1826
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 3: Thorne has Bobby Massey. I'm not super familiar with Bobby Massey.

1827
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 3: It goes back a little bit too far from me.

1828
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 3: But you know, like I think all those big tackles.

1829
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 3: You know, he's not quite as big as Trent Brown

1830
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 3: or Orlando Brown, but I think he's kind of plays

1831
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: this a way, right. I think both those guys are

1832
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 3: in a similar category. All Right, Don is in Philly.

1833
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 1: What's up.

1834
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: Don Hey, guys, can you hear me?

1835
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: Yes? Go for it.

1836
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 8: Okay, got two hypothetical draft questions for you. If first

1837
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 8: one should just be a quick.

1838
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 4: Yes and no.

1839
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 8: Second one may be a little more detailed. But let's

1840
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 8: say the Browns do end up getting Kirk Cousins, and

1841
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 8: that may be it might make the more entice to

1842
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 8: take Travis Hunter too. That leaves Abdull Carter still there

1843
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 8: at three. If the Giants don't feel humforable taking Abdull

1844
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 8: Carter doesn't fit the system and they feel it's a

1845
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 8: little too rich for shudor there. Do you think it's

1846
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 8: crazy for the pass to call the Giants and say, hey,

1847
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 8: we'll give you two or two third round picks to

1848
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 8: move up one, yes and secure Carter?

1849
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: Because if the Giants you're gonna aren't gonna take them,

1850
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: what are you doing. Nobody's gonna pay the quarterback tax

1851
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: to trade up unless they want the quarterback Like, and

1852
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: this is I know it's gonna be us No. But

1853
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: the same thing I've heard people say, like, well, if

1854
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: the Giants aren't, you know, why not trade up to

1855
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 1: three to get with the Giants to get Travis Hunter?

1856
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 1: Like why why aren't we talking more about the Patriots

1857
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: trading up? Because one or two things is gonna happen.

1858
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: Either the Giants want Travis Hunter Abdul Carter wherever's on

1859
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: the board and they're not going to trade the pick,

1860
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: or two they want the quarterback, in which case there's

1861
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: no need to trade up because then you get the

1862
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: guy at four. So yeah, the Patriots would not need

1863
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: to do that. Call the Giants bluff, let him take Carter,

1864
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: Let somebody else pay an exorbitant price to trade up.

1865
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't think either player is quite worth that.

1866
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: Where do you stand?

1867
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: Agreed? Thanks again? Question?

1868
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're better at that to me?

1869
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1870
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 3: Go ahead, don what do you got?

1871
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 8: Sorry about that?

1872
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: Guys?

1873
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: All right?

1874
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 8: So last one, more realistic option is obviously Carter and

1875
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 8: Hunter being off the board, which leaves us either saying

1876
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 8: we're going still position or we're going to tackle. And

1877
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 8: for this, let's just say they go Campbell. What's a

1878
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 8: better floor for the Patriots if you know your top

1879
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,799
Speaker 8: five pick who's supposed to be a tackle is actually

1880
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,879
Speaker 8: a great guard for your top five pick that's supposed

1881
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 8: to be a number one wide receiver. Let's say Ted

1882
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 8: ends up being a high end number two.

1883
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 3: That's a good question thanks to the call on So

1884
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 3: what happens if what's better off guard Will Campbell or

1885
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver to Ted?

1886
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: That's the question.

1887
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 3: I would say wide receiver to Ted is a little

1888
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 3: bit better off, but that's just because wide receivers are

1889
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 3: inherently more valuable than I think.

1890
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: Wide receiver two is probably better usage of the pick.

1891
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: But for like you can get wide receivers, I'm not

1892
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 1: worried about them finding a wide receiver.

1893
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, guard, besides running back, you know, Garden running

1894
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 3: back at the two least most valuable in.

1895
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: That So Campbell's still a better player in that scenario.

1896
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just in terms of value. You know what,

1897
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: what would you prefer? I would prefer the wide receiver too.

1898
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 3: I've said it before, and I I there was a

1899
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: question about Tet that I want to get to. So

1900
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 3: it's a good segue. But I've said it before. You know,

1901
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the worst case scenario that if

1902
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 3: they were to draft Ted McMillan, even if he doesn't

1903
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 3: end up being your Jamar Chase, but if he's your

1904
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: T Higgins, you know, you can still get Jamar Chase

1905
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 3: next offse So talking.

1906
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: About him as like a T. Higgins wide receiver too great, Like, yeah,

1907
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: that's obviously, that's obviously Like I think more like if

1908
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: he's like a even Jordan Addison's probably a little rich

1909
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: for what I'm trying to say, like a true George Pickens,

1910
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: George Pickens even kind of yeah, George Pickens and George

1911
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Pickens versus if Will Campbell is like Quentin Nelson, right,

1912
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: who would you rather have George Pickens or Quentin Nelson?

1913
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 3: Probably Quentin Nelson. But but you're talking about maybe, so

1914
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 3: maybe that's too rich. But I hear what you're saying, Yeah,

1915
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 3: Joe Toney.

1916
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if he's like a wide receiver two, that's

1917
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: a wide receiver two because the team is a really

1918
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: good wide receiver obviously, Yeah, I'm taking him. But if

1919
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: he's yeah, I can't I get like the put this

1920
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: way the kind of wide receiver two that doesn't come

1921
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: to your head right away, because he is a very

1922
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: true wide receiver too. If he's that kind of player,

1923
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: If he's Alan Lazard, Yeah, if he's Alan Lazard or

1924
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: you're getting you know, a top five Guarden football, who

1925
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: would you rather have top five guard. Yeah, that's more

1926
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: how I looked at that.

1927
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 3: So the other question that came up about Ted, we

1928
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 3: had a few emails about this, this video that's gone

1929
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 3: viral of his of him saying that he doesn't like

1930
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 3: watching film.

1931
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we say it doesn't like watching football.

1932
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't like watching football, doesn't like watching film.

1933
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 3: I try not to overreact too much that kind of stuff.

1934
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 3: Each each guy's wired differently, Each guy has a different approach.

1935
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 3: I think I would think that Rabel would prefer the junkie, yes, right,

1936
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 3: the guy that is going to be you know, you

1937
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 3: call it a Jim Ratt and basketball, you know, the

1938
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,799
Speaker 3: guy that's gonna be here constantly and working and grinding

1939
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,799
Speaker 3: and watching film and studying and all that kind of stuff.

1940
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 3: So I don't know if Ted McMillan is talented enough

1941
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 3: to not have that element. But at the same time,

1942
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm not like completely throwing him off the board because.

1943
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Of it either. Yeah, he still said he watches the film,

1944
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: needs to watch, right, he just doesn't do it on

1945
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: his own afterwards. Yeah, there's other you know, we see

1946
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: a ton of workout videos for him. Maybe he's more

1947
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: an on field workout guy. Yeah, that probably doesn't play

1948
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: well for Mike Rabel. Yeah, as a whole, it doesn't

1949
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 1: necessarily change my outside of the quarterback position, like quarterback, center, linebacker,

1950
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: maybe corner. It's not as much of a red flag

1951
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: as it maybe initially sounds like if a quarterback said that,

1952
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: that's a whole other conversation. That's a massive red flag.

1953
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: So like with Ted McMillan too, he has you know,

1954
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, right, you got it right in the contract

1955
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: that can.

1956
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: That's that's or Jameis Winston they gave the blank DVD.

1957
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: My my favorite.

1958
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 3: Well, what I like, you know is that it's next

1959
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 3: level now because of the technology, So players get iPads

1960
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 3: now and it actually tells screen time, like how long

1961
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 3: the iPad has been open, you know, so like teams

1962
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 3: can actually monitor, uh, if the players are doing their homework.

1963
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 1: I'd also say, I get that. You give JaMarcus Russell

1964
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: the DVD, you tell them to come back the next

1965
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: day and tell you what's on it. Yeah, yeah, there's

1966
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: nothing on it because you can open up the iPad

1967
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: and just leave the screen open, right, you could do

1968
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: that and count that's right. He didn't even put that

1969
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: thing in to see what was on there. I would

1970
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: also Marcus Russell.

1971
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 3: Nowadays, they've streamlined the film watching process so much for

1972
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 3: these players, where especially at those positions where you're one

1973
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 3: on one with somebody specifically most likely like they could

1974
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 3: say that, you know, I'm just I'm not saying he

1975
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 3: doesn't watch film. I'm just using him as an example.

1976
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 3: They could say to Christian Gonzales, you got Jamar Chase

1977
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 3: this week, So here are all of the cups of

1978
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, you know, And it could be they can

1979
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 3: whittle down four games to thirty minutes so he doesn't

1980
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 3: have to sit there and watch for five hours. It's

1981
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 3: a you know, a one hour project instead. So I

1982
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of ways around that, especially for

1983
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 3: non quarterbacks. Yeah, Curtis emails in here. I actually think,

1984
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 3: you know, he makes a decent point here. He says that, well,

1985
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with this, but he said that he

1986
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 3: doesn't want to leave left tackle to just one draft pick,

1987
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 3: like you know, it's Will Campbell and you sit and

1988
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 3: forget it and you're you're all good. So he's wondering,

1989
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 3: you know, about double dipping at tackle and who are

1990
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 3: some of the guys that we like later on in

1991
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 3: the draft double dip. We talked a little bit about that,

1992
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 3: you're Holland Peters guy because he's big.

1993
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this, so they're gonna double dip a

1994
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 1: left tackle specifically. Yeah, I like Hallan Pierce. He's he

1995
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: is a right tackle. He is and if they want

1996
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: to draft him to develop him behind Morgan Moses, I

1997
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: would be all for that. If they want to get

1998
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: another left tackle later. So, like I guess Jacoby was undrafted, right,

1999
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: but they Nikhil Harry and they Jacoby Myers, and Jacoby

2000
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: was the one who worked out. Yeah, Carson Vincent Alabama

2001
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: and M four years of starting experience, had a really

2002
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: good Senior Bowl. I think his game translates well. He's

2003
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: very technically skilled, he has the athleticism, he has the size,

2004
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: all that he just it's a jumping level and he

2005
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: maybe his ceiling is a little lower because he's an

2006
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: older prospect coming from the FCS. FCS, But if they're

2007
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: gonna be like, all right, we're gonna take well Campbell

2008
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: at the top, we want to add another left tackle

2009
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: in the mix. Carson Vincent Alabama, A and M. That's

2010
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah, I like him. He might be able

2011
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: to play some guard too, so he gives you some flexibility. Yeah.

2012
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 3: I liked him as maybe as a left guard, which

2013
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 3: I thought would would help tackle. I think you could

2014
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 3: play tackle, but I think you know, he could play either,

2015
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 3: and maybe bring him in and let him compete at.

2016
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Both spot and oh yeah, no, I get him in

2017
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: the building, have him do whatever. I think he'd be

2018
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: a good guy to get building.

2019
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 3: I'm still not one hundred percent sold at Anthony Belton

2020
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 3: is going to go as as high as everybody thinks

2021
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 3: he is. Yeah, I think he's still a little bit

2022
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 3: more of a project to me. Another guy that I

2023
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 3: think there's really the Trent Brown copy. Another guy that

2024
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 3: I think is probably right tackle. Yeah, but he's uh,

2025
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 3: I just I think he's got some things he's gotta

2026
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 3: he's gotta work on technique wise, I don't think he's

2027
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna draft a guy in the top

2028
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 3: one hundred, you're probably thinking that he's going to be

2029
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,759
Speaker 3: at least a starter by his second year in the league.

2030
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 3: I I don't know if Anthony Belton will be, you know,

2031
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,719
Speaker 3: a starter period. Like I still think there's some boomer

2032
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 3: bus there, so maybe it's not as deep as you know.

2033
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: Vincent's probably more fifth, sixth round, like Belton's probably third,

2034
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 3: fourth round somewhere around there. I mentioned Charles Grant from

2035
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 3: William Mary. He's probably gonna be a fringe top one

2036
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 3: hundred guy. Yeah, that will just be about you know,

2037
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:47,799
Speaker 3: level of competition if teams.

2038
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: He's kind of day to Carson Vincent. Yeah.

2039
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 3: So you know, just looking at it, like Nick sel

2040
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 3: Deveri from a couple of years ago, he was an

2041
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: early fourth round pick. I think he might have been

2042
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 3: the first pick of the fourth round. You know, smaller

2043
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 3: school guy similar ding, you know, stands out on tape.

2044
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 3: Amongst the rest of those guys. There was one other guy, oh,

2045
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 3: Jalen Rivers from Miami. I think that he's probably a guard,

2046
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 3: but he's big, he's got long arms, like, he's got

2047
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, decent feet like I think he's probably a

2048
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 3: tackle slash guard, you know, like kind of like a

2049
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 3: Mike on winhu Ish type player. But he might have

2050
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 3: some potential there as well, you know, mid mid rounds,

2051
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 3: you know, fourth, fifth round, something like that.

2052
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing we got from Elliot Wolf by the way,

2053
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: with Felger that if there was any wonder Michael Won,

2054
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: who's the right guard? Oh good, So that's well you

2055
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: never know with him, Like you say that kind of sarcastically.

2056
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: But how many times have we thought good Mike on Win,

2057
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: who finally has his position and then he changed? Yeah?

2058
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 3: All right, So this is a question from Curtis, I

2059
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 3: think is a good way to kind of whittle this

2060
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 3: down of our takes on these on this class. Okay, so, uh,

2061
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 3: every player is on the board, we're making the pick.

2062
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 3: You're in the GM, you're in the GM chair. Ye,

2063
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 3: give me your top four right now?

2064
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 1: So like if quarterbacks go one, two, three, basically sure, yep,

2065
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: look at that one for the Patriots, just Alex Bark

2066
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: general manager. Oh as a whole, if I'm just setting

2067
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: aboard as a whole, Yeah, Carter Hunter, Genty, Campbell, Okay,

2068
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: what if you're the Patriots specifically Campbell Memboo instead of

2069
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: Gent Yeah, I feel like I kind of feel the

2070
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: same way I have. And then I probably Tet I

2071
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: think would probably be the fifth guy.

2072
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 3: I thought about that, you know, if it would be

2073
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 3: Warren or it would it be Tet. You know, I

2074
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 3: feel like both those guys kind of for different reasons.

2075
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 3: I'm between the two of them.

2076
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I go Tet because he's a little bit younger,

2077
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: he has more upside, and just that the value of

2078
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: that wide receiver position honestly might have Jalen Walker up

2079
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: there too.

2080
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have Jalen Walker high too. So you know,

2081
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 3: I'm starting to have the spreadsheet every year. Yeah, I

2082
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 3: should have it out soon ish. I'm starting to come

2083
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 3: to an end here, thankfully spent like all weekend grinding

2084
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 3: defensive linemen just to get through it all. And I

2085
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: have right now, I have you know, way I do it,

2086
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 3: you know, different like tiers, like a grade scale. Right,

2087
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 3: And I have three guys that I would consider blue

2088
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 3: chip prospects in this draft. I looked, you know, made

2089
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 3: sure I had the accurate number. I had eight last

2090
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 3: year in that draft. So you know, our two drafts ago,

2091
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 3: I guess you want to call it that. You know,

2092
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake may Neighbors, Harrison the Dunees,

2093
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 3: ay All brock Bowers. Eight guys. Yeah, in this draft

2094
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 3: I have three Hunter Carter Genty, Yeah, Hunter Carter genty

2095
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 3: And that's it. So I think the fourth spot i'd

2096
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 3: probably give the Campbell. I think he's probably the fourth best.

2097
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 3: But they're just from a grade in the board, like

2098
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 3: real grade, there is a drop off.

2099
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: They drop off from three to four significantly. Yeah. Yeah.

2100
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 3: And I heard Ryan Poles the Bears GM talking about

2101
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 3: this yesterday at the league meetings and he just said,

2102
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 3: you know, echoed what everybody else is echoing. This is

2103
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 3: one of those drafts where there's like three premium blue

2104
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 3: chip players at the top and then from like four

2105
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 3: to he said, almost all the way to one hundred.

2106
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 3: Like it's it's like all just really solid NFL starting

2107
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 3: caliber talent, but not not special. Yeah, And it's just

2108
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,640
Speaker 3: one of those types of drafts. And I think, you know,

2109
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 3: just in my process just going through it, it's it's

2110
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 3: quite a remark, Like I have so many guys that

2111
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 3: I feel like are like second third round grades, right, Like,

2112
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 3: just like so many and usually you project those guys

2113
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 3: to be eventual starters in the league, solid NFL starters

2114
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 3: probably you know, more like complimentary to solid starting type

2115
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 3: of caliber players. But there's there's a lot of them

2116
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 3: in this There's probably you know, upwards of seventy five

2117
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: of those guys in this draft, so you know, having

2118
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 3: those that extra third round pick is nice for the Patriots.

2119
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 3: But I also just mentioned, you know, this is why

2120
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 3: when we talk about trade downs, like it's just it's

2121
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 3: not the year where you're gonna get the value right

2122
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 3: to be trading down because everybody feels the same way

2123
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 3: about the board. Like everybody feels the same way. So

2124
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 3: it's tough, all right, But yeah, I think we're together

2125
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 3: on that. I think, you know, genty Cars and Hunter

2126
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 3: on their own, and then Campbell is the next best prospect.

2127
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 3: All right, let's go back to the phones here. Mark

2128
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 3: is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?

2129
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on?

2130
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: Guys? How you've been good? Good?

2131
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 4: We're doing I don't not bad any word on. A

2132
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 4: buddy of mine was just talking about this that the

2133
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 4: Browns and the Dallas Cowboys might be talking about a

2134
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 4: trade of quarterbacks and the number two pick. Didn't know

2135
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 4: if you guys had heard about that.

2136
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that that was shot down.

2137
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 4: Okay, very good.

2138
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2139
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 4: The other thing was, what is the realistic possibility if

2140
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 4: again Abdua Carter and Travis Hunter are off the board,

2141
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 4: that they can move down to eight or nine and

2142
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 4: pick Penn State tight end. What is the realistic possibility

2143
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 4: that they can make that happen again a second round pick?

2144
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 4: If you guys got any intel on that, or is

2145
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 4: the kind of they're gonna probably have to stick and pick?

2146
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Mark, What do you think? I mean?

2147
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if trying to think of there, I

2148
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know if if Tyler Warren gets to eight or nine, Yeah,

2149
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: to begin with, does is a second round pick? Would

2150
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: it costs to move back that far? Maybe I'd like

2151
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: to get a little more than that in that scenario.

2152
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: I think the trades more realistic. I don't know that

2153
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: Warren gets to nine.

2154
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 3: Well, we keep talking about the class in the same way,

2155
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 3: and with Warren getting to nine, it's just who's going

2156
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 3: in between? Right and we know this class doesn't have

2157
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 3: the blue chip talent like I just so.

2158
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: He's ten on the consensus board right now. But that's

2159
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 1: with both quarterbacks going high. Is he gonna go ahead

2160
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: of Mason Graham? I think that's a coin flip, is he?

2161
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: Or is Mason Graham gonna go ahead of him? I

2162
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: think that's a coin flip. Is Teed McMillan gonna go

2163
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: ahead of him. I think that's a coin flip. They're

2164
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 1: genty in there too, Like, so that's what four players

2165
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: including Shitter a lot a lot would have to go

2166
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 1: their way. And it's also so I was thinking about

2167
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: this the other day and I kind of brought up

2168
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: earlier on the show, and let me ask you this, Right, So, okay,

2169
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter gone, they like Membo and Campbell and

2170
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: they figure, okay, like we can move back and maybe

2171
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: they like you know, Jalen Walker two or genty two

2172
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, it's like, all right, you know, there's

2173
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: three or four players we take here. We will move

2174
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: back a couple of spots and we'll be good, but

2175
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: the offers maybe aren't there. So let's say it's moving

2176
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: back like with the Raiders at six even just two spots, Like,

2177
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: at what point if the Raiders off for you a

2178
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: fourth are you doing that for just a fourth round pick?

2179
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: Or at that point are you gonna keep the choice

2180
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: you have and take the guy you really want? You know,

2181
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 1: they'll get an offer, but are you gonna I don't

2182
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: know what the offer is gonna be there that's gonna

2183
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: be worth giving up that choice?

2184
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the only way that you get an

2185
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 3: offer that is really worth considering in terms of a

2186
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,879
Speaker 3: value for the pick. Yeah, is if Hunter or Abdul

2187
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 3: Carter falls in your lap and some team offers you

2188
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 3: a Will Anderson esque package. I'm still in the camp

2189
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 3: that we might say no to it. But I'm just saying, like,

2190
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 3: I don't think the pick is gonna have any value

2191
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 3: unless that's the scenario that we're talking a right, and

2192
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 3: so when I hear you know, the two things that

2193
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 3: I think have frustrated me the most about this because

2194
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 3: I like to sometimes you know, yeah, have access to

2195
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 3: crime in this situation. The two things I've heard the

2196
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 3: most in this draft season that have frustrated me to

2197
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 3: no end, trade down. Everybody wants to trade down. The

2198
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 3: whole world wants to trade down. Nobody wants to pick

2199
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 3: where they're at right now, including maybe the Tennessee Titans.

2200
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2201
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 3: Like, literally nobody wants to make the Did you see.

2202
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: This one was going around yesterday on Twitter? We should

2203
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: trade back. There's no good value left where my team

2204
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: is drafting. But I'm sure another team would like to

2205
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: give up assets to move up to the same spot.

2206
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, we're all at right now.

2207
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just there's if we all agree that there's

2208
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 3: nobody worth taking at four overall. Yeah, if Abdul Carter

2209
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 3: and Travis Hunter are off the board, the whole league agrees.

2210
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: So why would anybody get up adding a set? Now

2211
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: you moved out of nine or ten, you're missing on

2212
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 1: a lot of players that you're probably missing on both tackles,

2213
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: you're you're missing. I think you're gonna miss on gent D,

2214
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 1: you might miss on Warren. Like, is a second round

2215
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: pick enough for you to do that? Yeah? No, it's

2216
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: not for me. Just a second round pick. I I

2217
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: don't think for me either. Yeah.

2218
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 3: The other thing that's been annoying drive this entired process, Well,

2219
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna take a tackle that high? You know, I

2220
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 3: like him to be you know, Anthony Munos or Orlando

2221
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 3: Pace or Joe Thomas, and it's like same, Like obviously

2222
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 3: everybody would like it to be a Hall of Fame

2223
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 3: caliber tackle. They don't exist in this draft, Like, those

2224
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 3: guys don't exist. So if you're taking Will Campbell out

2225
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 3: and you're saying I'm not taking him or I'm not

2226
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 3: taking Armand Membu because he's not Jonathan Ogden, Right, So

2227
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 3: I'm taking him out. I mean, I'm gonna draft Teed McMillan. Well,

2228
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 3: Teed McMillan's not Julio Jones, So it's the same thing, right, Like,

2229
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 3: there's no blue chip player outside of those two guys

2230
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 3: in this draft and genty at four overall to take

2231
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 3: at tackle, So like, you can't you can't just say, oh, well,

2232
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take a tackle that high unless he's gonna

2233
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 3: be Jonathan Ogden.

2234
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: Well, in this draft, there is no Jonathan. I've said

2235
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 1: this to you. If and very different players stylistically, Yeah,

2236
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: but if Will Campbell or armand Membu becomes Nate Solder, right,

2237
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 1: he's a solid starting left tackle here for ten years,

2238
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Matt Like, fine, excuse me, fine, Matt Light he's here

2239
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: for ten years. Maybe he's not making Pro Bowls, but

2240
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 1: he's not a guy we're talking about needing to replace. Right,

2241
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 1: If you feel good that he's your left tackle and

2242
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 1: a great locker room guy, yeah, both are. If you

2243
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: get that guy at four in this draft. This might

2244
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 1: not apply next year. A not picking up four next year, yeah,

2245
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 1: but in this draft, if you get a guy who

2246
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 1: plays left tackle here for eight or ten years, set

2247
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 1: it and forget it, and that's it. I'm good with that.

2248
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: I am perfectly fine with that. That is a win

2249
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, And is the is that setting the

2250
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: bar too low? I don't know. Maybe look at this draft,

2251
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you're hoping for. And

2252
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather get that at tackle then get that at receiver.

2253
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: Whereas you look at next year, there's gonna be guys

2254
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: so ceilings much higher than that. So I just that's

2255
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,560
Speaker 1: where I'm Matt, we're taking. Hey, the Red Sox is

2256
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 1: sent a Christian Campbell like.

2257
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 3: Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas, you know, Anthony Munos,

2258
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 3: like he's the names. I Well, if that's the guy

2259
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 3: that you could draft at four, then you take the tackle.

2260
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 3: It's like, no kidding, Yeah, great, like no kidding, you

2261
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 3: would take a top five tackle of all time? Is

2262
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 3: the only way that you're going to take the tackle

2263
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 3: that high? Well, then this draft you're screwed, Like you

2264
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 3: there's nobody for you to draft. You're me, You're right,

2265
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 3: you're letting the clock run out on the pick you

2266
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 3: know a couple of months ago? Right, like great, great plan?

2267
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Uh?

2268
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 3: Paul here emails in about wingspan. I have a I

2269
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 3: have a tiny axa grib about this. So he asked,

2270
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 3: you know, talking about Will Campbell the armley discrepancies thirty

2271
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,879
Speaker 3: three versus thirty two and five days from the combine,

2272
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 3: and he asked, why we're not talking about wingspan, and uh,

2273
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 3: you know that his wingspan is a bigger outliar, and

2274
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 3: why we're not talking about both measurements. So I've actually,

2275
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 3: you know, talked, asked around about the wingspan thing and

2276
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 3: how much the wingspan thing is is really mattering. And

2277
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 3: I got to be honest with you, outside of like

2278
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 3: mock draftable charts where it just looks bad, that is,

2279
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 3: wingspan is like all the way over here in the

2280
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 3: you know, one percentile or whatever. I don't think a

2281
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 3: ton of NFL teams of any idea or care about wingspans.

2282
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't.

2283
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a metric that anybody's really focusing

2284
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 3: too much on length. And arm length is tangible, right,

2285
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 3: Like you have to have extension, you have to have

2286
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 3: arm length. You have to be able to you know,

2287
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 3: get out to rushers, you have to like that's a

2288
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 3: tangible thing of how this could impact the player. We

2289
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 3: talk about wingspan we're talking about how much room he

2290
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 3: takes up, like how wide of a body he has.

2291
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,679
Speaker 1: How often are you in this position arms out wide

2292
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,719
Speaker 1: as a tackle, Like if you're here, something's gone wrong.

2293
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe wingspan would be a little bit more important

2294
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 3: for a guard. I was gonna say, just because of

2295
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:52,560
Speaker 3: the bigger bodies that you're taking up right exactly, but

2296
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 3: at tackle. I just don't think that that. I think

2297
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff and I don't mean to this.

2298
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm right with all of you, with all of you,

2299
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 3: with a lot of this stuff though, is like we

2300
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 3: talk a lot more about this stuff than people that

2301
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 3: actually make decisions do.

2302
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 1: Was it wingspan or arm length we did with Drake

2303
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:11,760
Speaker 1: last year where it was like, you don't want the

2304
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks wingspan to be too long because then it's the

2305
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 1: ball has to travel further in the release, so it's

2306
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 1: a longer release. We did that with the court. I

2307
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:21,760
Speaker 1: think it was that with the quarterback last year.

2308
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 3: I remember his wingspan or armlane. He also Drake has

2309
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 3: smallish hands.

2310
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, that honestly, that I thought was

2311
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: going to get more fight than it did. I think

2312
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 1: at that point everybody just kind of knew he was

2313
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 1: the pick. Yeah, there's no Kenny Pickett. He was within

2314
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 1: the range. I bigger hands with Kenny Pickett.

2315
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 3: So Nick in Boston also brings up another point about

2316
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 3: the tackles and said, you know, if Campbell fails at

2317
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 3: left tackle, then he has to move inside the guard,

2318
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 3: whereas if Membo fails at left tackle, you can flip

2319
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 3: him back to right. So at least you're still getting

2320
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 3: a tackle. I think there's some truth to that. Like,

2321
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 3: that's probably the best Membo argument there is, is that

2322
01:48:59,040 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 3: Membu's a tackle.

2323
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm also a good player.

2324
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, but like besides, you know, bear to Campbell, Okay, yeah,

2325
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 3: he Membu's a tackle. I don't know which side he's

2326
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 3: a tackle on, but he's a tackle, whereas Campbell, we're

2327
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure that he's a full time tackle.

2328
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 1: He's not a right I'm not moving Campbell to right tackle. No, no, no,

2329
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: it's not not No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying, like.

2330
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 3: That's he's either he's either a left tackle or a

2331
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 3: left guard. Yeah, he's one of those two things, whereas

2332
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 3: Membu is either a right tackle or a left tackle right,

2333
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 3: and so at least he's a tackle. I think that's

2334
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 3: the best Membo argument.

2335
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Yep, I would agree.

2336
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 3: Now that being said, you did just sign Morgan Moses

2337
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 3: for three years. He's probably not going to play here

2338
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 3: for three years at thirty four years old. It's probably

2339
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 3: gonna be one or two. But is it the worst

2340
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 3: case in the world. If Membu is the right tackle

2341
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 3: next year, maybe more move on from Morgan Mogus Moses

2342
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 3: a little bit quicker, I guess not. But you're still

2343
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 3: not filling the left tackle hole right, so you're still.

2344
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: It's also if Campbell doesn't work out. If you find

2345
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: out early that Campbell's not gonna work out at left tackle,

2346
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be your starting left guard this year. Yeah,

2347
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 1: if you find out Membu's not gonna work out at

2348
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: left tackle, so jac lath is your fourth round pick,

2349
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: not gonna play, or you're just gonna have a bad

2350
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: left tackle all year, fourth round pick, fourth overall pick,

2351
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 1: not gonna play.

2352
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean that's it's jac Latham, right. Jacon

2353
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 3: Latham played left tackle last year. Didn't look great.

2354
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: Well, I hope they don't force it. I would hope that,

2355
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 1: you know, protecting Drake, they cut their losses and don't

2356
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: put an incapable player out there.

2357
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so member, it would ride the bench like

2358
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 3: Morgan most is.

2359
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: Gonna start, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so you either

2360
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: have to play a bad left tackle or your fourth

2361
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:38,600
Speaker 1: overall pick doesn't play right. I don't know that I

2362
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: think those are a great outcome.

2363
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 3: It's not a great outcome. I would say that most

2364
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 3: teams have to play the bad left.

2365
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: Tackle and hope it gets better for seventeen games. You

2366
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,720
Speaker 1: just well you you can't have the fourth overall picks

2367
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 1: and on the bench all year. Maybe not the franchise

2368
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: quarterback running for his life.

2369
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 3: Okay, but he's gonna he's gonna run for his life

2370
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 3: if it's Venderian Lowe is just as much as he's

2371
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 3: gonna somebody else.

2372
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 1: I mean, is there gonna be fair?

2373
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 3: All right, let's take this last call and there's a

2374
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 3: couple more emails we can get to. What's up, sal

2375
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 3: How are we doing?

2376
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: Hey?

2377
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 3: Guys, how are you good?

2378
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 5: I'll be quick. I mean, this team uh needs offensive tackles.

2379
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 5: I mean I cannot. I'm a season ticket holder. I

2380
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 5: do not want to see Drake end up on his

2381
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 5: back any more. Than he needs to be. But I

2382
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 5: think with McDaniel's step, ball get out of his hands

2383
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 5: a lot quicker. I thought my hope would be that

2384
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 5: they can move from the fourth position, assuming that Campbell's

2385
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 5: are is their only option there. I'm not crazy about

2386
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 5: picking him. I would prefer that they move with a candidate.

2387
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 5: If they cannot move, I would take Membo. I would

2388
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 5: do whatever I could to get Josh Simmons and send

2389
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 5: him for a year, for what over time it takes

2390
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 5: to get him health healthy, and then eventually Memblee can

2391
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 5: be the right tackle and Simmons could be her left tackle.

2392
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,800
Speaker 5: You know the rush about getting receivers, I'm not. I'm

2393
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 5: not keen on receivers in the first round. Some of

2394
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,560
Speaker 5: the best receivers we have all later picked, you know,

2395
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 5: Metcalf and AJ Brown and et cetera. I'll take care

2396
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 5: of you.

2397
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 1: I'll listen to you guys off the years.

2398
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:09,799
Speaker 3: So thanks for the call. Yeah, I think that sounds

2399
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 3: not in the minority when it comes to just throw

2400
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 3: as many things that tackled A Yeah.

2401
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 1: Problem, they can't have a first round pick that doesn't play.

2402
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm due on that. I've honestly come around more on

2403
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: Simmons than I was before. I haven't seen the medical

2404
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 1: That's the big worry for me. It's the medicals. Yeah,

2405
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: talented player, but a lot of people I trust don't

2406
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: seem bothered by it. But if the plan is all right,

2407
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,600
Speaker 1: we're in draft men but play at left tackle, and

2408
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,680
Speaker 1: then we're also gonna draft Josh Simmons and playment left

2409
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: tackle next year, well and draft somebody else who helps

2410
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: the football team instead of Simmons, and then just draft

2411
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 1: another tackle next year. If you're drafting Josh Simmons, if

2412
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 1: you're drafting Josh Simmons with the belief he's gonna play

2413
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: this year, I'm on board. I don't love it. You

2414
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: still need to add another left tackle because you don't

2415
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 1: know when he's gonna be ready and how he'll look.

2416
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 1: It's a significant injury. But like if if Josh, if

2417
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:04,519
Speaker 1: the doctors tell you, yeah, he'll be back this year, fine,

2418
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:08,719
Speaker 1: If Josh Simmons isn't going to be back until twenty

2419
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: twenty six, but your logic is just, well, we need tackles,

2420
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 1: so we'll take him now, we'll have him later, get

2421
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: another player that helps you now, and then just take

2422
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 1: a tackle next year. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's what

2423
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: They're just not in a great position to be red shirting, right.

2424
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: I just I don't want them to red shirt a

2425
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 1: first round pick.

2426
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not in that spot. And look, just

2427
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 3: based off of the film, and it was five games,

2428
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 3: and I watched a little bit of twenty twenty three,

2429
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 3: but he's worse than twenty twenty three, you know, based

2430
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 3: off the five games he played in twenty four, I'd

2431
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 3: have Josh Simmons is the third best tackle in the draft, right, Yeah, Campbell, Membo,

2432
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 3: Josh Simmons. But there's a very small sample size. Yeah,

2433
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 3: he's coming off a major injury. That is not an

2434
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 3: easy injury to bounce back fro him with the torn

2435
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 3: pateelo attendant. And not only is the sample size small,

2436
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 3: it's against bad competition. So he dominated bad competition for

2437
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 3: five games and then got hurt twenty snaps into the

2438
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 3: game against Oregon. So A, I don't feel great about

2439
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 3: red shirting and tackle, But B I also don't feel

2440
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 3: great about betting a first round pick on five games

2441
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 3: against Michigan State and Iowa.

2442
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 1: We're talking about the risk that comes with Campbell and

2443
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: his builds in Membu in switching sides, Simmons is bigger

2444
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 1: risk than either of them, and I don't necessarily think

2445
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: he's not a first round pick. I just think for

2446
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 1: the position the Patriots are in, if you're if you're

2447
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 1: worried about Campbell in Membo because you want to mitigate risk,

2448
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: well then pivoting that Josh Simmons is the answer. There's

2449
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 1: still risk there too. Now you got to go to

2450
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: Connolly Nursery. Let another team take the risk with Simmons.

2451
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't like the Niners at eleven make all the

2452
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 1: sense of Niners. Chiefs like teams Niners specifically because he

2453
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: can sit behind Trent Williams with each well Chiefs the.

2454
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 3: Kid from the Niners, Jen Jalen Moore. Right, Oh yeah,

2455
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 3: so they have him on a two year cond, Like

2456
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense for contenders like teams

2457
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 3: like that that I can afford. You know, I don't know,

2458
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 3: for example, you know, I think Simmons is probably left tackle,

2459
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 3: but he could probably play either side, like in Philly.

2460
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 3: You know, how much longer is Lane Johnson going to

2461
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 3: play for?

2462
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2463
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 3: Right, Like and if Philly takes you know, kind of

2464
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 3: like what the Patriots did with Matt Lytton Nate Solder,

2465
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 3: like they take Josh Simmons and they let him recuperate

2466
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 3: and whatever, they have one more great year out Elane Johnson.

2467
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 3: Lane Johnson's been talking about retirement on and off, like

2468
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 3: maybe that's the route that they go. So I'm with

2469
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 3: you with Josh Simmons. If he had put together, if

2470
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 3: he was healthy and he put together an entire season

2471
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 3: and he was Ohio State's left tackle through the National

2472
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 3: Championship game and played at the level that he played at,

2473
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 3: I think we would be talking about him at four

2474
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 3: overall but.

2475
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: He but he didn't, So you can't. He didn't. We

2476
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:39,919
Speaker 1: don't live in the expected world, live in reality.

2477
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 3: One last thing here. I know you only have a

2478
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 3: couple more minutes, but.

2479
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 1: Well we have another thing we have to get to

2480
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: too after the emails real quick.

2481
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 3: Okay, this can wait till next show, So let's let's

2482
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 3: get to your last thing.

2483
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 1: So I kind of gave everybody a little teaser after

2484
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: the show last week because we were talking about running

2485
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: back about this.

2486
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 3: We hyped this up a lot and it's not. It's

2487
01:55:58,720 --> 01:55:59,800
Speaker 3: not gonna live love.

2488
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 1: We got off the air and we were still talking

2489
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 1: about because we ended the show last week talking about

2490
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: the running backs, and we Evan kind of sarcastically gave

2491
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 1: a comp for Cam Scattabo that I actually think is

2492
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: an unbelievable comp and it's truly Ever meant it kind

2493
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: of as a slight and I think it's not just

2494
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 1: it's complimentary. So and I gave you the option either

2495
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 1: tweeted out or explained it on the show.

2496
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wanted to explain it on the show

2497
01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 3: because obviously this player played a different position, so it

2498
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 3: doesn't like make total sense, right, But I was trying

2499
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 3: to think of a awesome college player that just is

2500
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 3: an awesome college player but not a great pro right like,

2501
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 3: and like just one of those guys that just dominated

2502
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 3: college football. And there's plenty of them, right, There's plenty

2503
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,400
Speaker 3: of other examples besides this guy, but the guy that

2504
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 3: I came Wait, so you were talking about the running

2505
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 3: backs as a whole. You said, what are the odds

2506
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 3: one of these running backs is this player? And again

2507
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 3: you meant it in terms of career arc but Scott

2508
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 3: was Scatterbo.

2509
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: Or somebody else? You said, what are the odds scatter

2510
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: Bow or was it just Scatterbo. I thought, there's somebody else,

2511
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 1: there is this player who is Tim Tebow, right, So

2512
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 1: I took that to mean, well, if Tim Tebow had

2513
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 1: actually moved her running back like he should have, that

2514
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: is kind of how runs the football. I know it's not,

2515
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: but it's kind of perfect between bigger Tbo's bigger, but

2516
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 1: the running style, the mentality, right, the whole Tim Tebow

2517
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes for the rest of our lives. Camp Scatabo

2518
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 1: throwing up on the sideline and the Peach Bowl and

2519
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl or whatever it was like the it

2520
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of works. If Tim Tebow had actually played running back, Yeah,

2521
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 1: I think he'd kind of be like a taller Cam

2522
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 1: Scatabo stylistically, I do think. And Cam Scattabo, by the way,

2523
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 1: did play some quarterback at Sacramento State, so he is

2524
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 1: a wildcat threat. So I actually think in the Peach Bowl,

2525
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a really you it in a very

2526
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: different way the way I chose to take it. It's

2527
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: actually kind of spot on.

2528
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 3: So I meant it in terms of career arc right, Yeah,

2529
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 3: Tim Tebow one of the best college football players of

2530
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:15,440
Speaker 3: all time, but was not NFL caliber as a quarterback,

2531
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 3: especially right just wasn't a good NFL player. And my

2532
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 3: fear with a guy like Scatabow is that the Peach

2533
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 3: Bowl against Texas, which is maybe the single best tape

2534
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 3: of any player in this draft. By the way, I

2535
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 3: mean that he threw, he had like three hundred yards

2536
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,840
Speaker 3: of offense, like he literally like they were down multiple

2537
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 3: touchdowns in the second half, and this guy put the team.

2538
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 1: On at Travis Hunter, I would say, there but.

2539
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 3: A rushing, receiving, and passing touchdown all in the same game.

2540
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 3: Like he was unbelievable. But is there a very good

2541
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 3: chance that the Peach Bowl against Texas is Cam Scattaboy's

2542
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 3: best football game he ever plays, and it's all downhill

2543
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 3: from here. Yeah, Like that's definitely a possibility. And I

2544
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 3: look at him, I look at his playing style. I

2545
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 3: look at you know, I don't think he's a great athlete.

2546
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 3: Like I think he's a kind of an effort player.

2547
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 3: I think he's a great athlete, not fast, because he

2548
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 3: great contact balance, low center of gravity bowling ball to

2549
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 3: catch the ball.

2550
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's not athletic. He's just there's a difference.

2551
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 1: So he's not fast he's also like his ability to cut,

2552
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 1: like he just got a good spin move, and also

2553
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 1: who drafted Tim Tebow? Josh McDaniel's right, but that's all

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Speaker 1: I was. I thought it was how he meant it.

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01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 3: I don't care how you like obviously for example like that,

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01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 3: you know, like Johnny Manzil flamed out for other reasons,

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01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 3: probably along with the football, but like he also wasn't

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Speaker 3: that good at football.

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Speaker 1: I mean last year it kind of like Sam Donald

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01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 1: was gonna be that guy. Sam Donald got drafted off

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01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 1: for that Rose Bowl game, Yeah, and would not have

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Speaker 1: gone that high without that Rose Bull Warwick.

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Speaker 3: There was the receiver war Yeah something.

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Speaker 1: We're we're going way back back, like yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's like always like we're young okay, ye spoiler. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: that's always like the Olds like that they that's.

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Speaker 1: Their guy, like that other one. And he had a

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Speaker 1: decent NFL career, but I always felt had like one

2569
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Speaker 1: play that he made that elevated him. David Clowney, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like he had everybody. Peter work is the guy. He

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Speaker 1: had an unbelievable play. Yeah, and it's a great play.

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Speaker 1: If people put a little too much on that one

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Speaker 1: play when they talked about Ja David Clowney as like

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Speaker 1: he was a fine pro. Yeah. It was his second

2575
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Speaker 1: overall pick, first, second overall pick, first overall pick. First

2576
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: he was. That was the Reggie Bush. Yeah, yeah, Reggie Bush.

2577
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Speaker 1: Or was that Mario Williams.

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Speaker 3: That was Mario Williams. But Jadavin Clowney went number one overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like he was fine. It was a

2580
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Speaker 1: first overall pick. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Peter Work is like the the one I

2582
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 3: think from like the nineties, like if you want to

2583
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Speaker 3: go that direction.

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Speaker 1: State right, Yeah, Yeah, that is who I was.

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Speaker 3: That was kind of what I was getting at, right,

2586
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 3: like just a really awesome college player that just doesn't

2587
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:02,839
Speaker 3: live up to it in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And I worry about that a little bit. With Scataboo,

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Speaker 1: I do all right. Fournette, sure, leon for Nett was

2590
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Speaker 1: a good pro. It took him a while, yeah, to

2591
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Speaker 1: get at Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: It might have been more jackson Yeah, Leonard Fournette was

2593
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Speaker 3: a decent pro. I don't confidence. I don't have very

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Speaker 3: That was a fun show. We will be back next week.

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Speaker 1: We got three more for yeah, just a couple more.

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Speaker 3: We'll do some preview stuff next week, and you obviously

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Speaker 3: stick stick to the news as well, and what's going

2607
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Speaker 3: on in patriot Land because it doesn't this ob season

2608
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:58,840
Speaker 3: doesn't want to quit. It just seems like there's something

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Speaker 3: to talk about every week with good.

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Speaker 1: Well we went. We're talking to the offensive and defensive

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Speaker 1: code mobs next two days yep. And then Rabel's gonna

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Speaker 1: do the pre draft presser I think the fifteenth, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: something like that that Wednesday. So we got a lot

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot to do. So we'll be back

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Speaker 3: next week, same time, same place. We'll see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Then bye.

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