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Speaker 1: as long as I can remember. It's why I aspired

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Speaker 1: It's not obviously always your first round pick. That is

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Speaker 1: Dominate in the trenches. It was ultimately the downfall of

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they don't like other players that

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Speaker 1: But I'm prepared for him to go really really high

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Speaker 1: and fascinating to watch how that goes down. Makes Brad

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Speaker 1: Holmes if he does go pick four or five, six, seven,

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Speaker 1: Whenever look like a genius for not only getting a

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Speaker 1: awesome running back at pick twelve, but accumulating another pick

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Speaker 1: and getting Laporta. This essentially became a two for one.

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Speaker 1: So where does Asin Genti go? And Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think he will immediately be one of the more

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Speaker 1: fascinating guys from this draft moving forward. And then I

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Speaker 1: just think, from a big picture standpoint, how many famous

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Speaker 1: veteran players get traded? I think it starts with Jalen Ramsey.

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Speaker 1: Is do you want him? Come get him? Tyreek Hill?

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Speaker 1: Is Tyrek Hill going to get traded over the next

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Speaker 1: couple of days? Would anyone trade for him? Given some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that's going on off the field with him?

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Speaker 1: Obviously the two kind of famous tight ends, they're not

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Speaker 1: even hiding their teams Dallas Goddter Mark Andrews like are

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Speaker 1: one of these guys? Are both of them going to

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Speaker 1: get dealt? I think it's pretty clear that teams that

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Speaker 1: like Tyler Warren and teams that like Loveland from Michigan,

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Speaker 1: if you don't land one of those guys and you're

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Speaker 1: not comfortable with other guys in this draft, would you

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Speaker 1: pull the trigger and trade for one of these guys,

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Speaker 1: because I think there's a decent chance that by the

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Speaker 1: end of the weekend, both these two tight ends are

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Speaker 1: on other teams. And obviously there are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other names that maybe we don't see coming that are

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Speaker 1: going to get dealt. And I think when you look

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Speaker 1: at quarterback, obviously Aaron Rodgers a free agent, is Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousin's going to get traded over the next couple of days,

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Speaker 1: because you got to give him some credit, Everyone's well,

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna show up to OTA's even Rahee Morris

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Speaker 1: was like, we don't expect him to be there, and

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins like, screw you, I'll be there. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: a high level cat. I can handle a little controversy.

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Speaker 1: See you there. Tuesday he was there. And is he

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Speaker 1: just trying to act in good faith, trying to show

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Speaker 1: the league that, like, listen, I'm a total team guy.

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Speaker 1: If I got to be the backup for twenty seven

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Speaker 1: and a half million dollars, I'll be the highest paid

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Speaker 1: backup in the history of the league. Obviously, we have

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Speaker 1: seen starters get bench that made a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: but I don't We've never seen a backup going into

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Speaker 1: a going into a OTAs that makes almost thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So would the Falcons trade him if someone is not

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Speaker 1: willing to eat any of the money. Are they adamant

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Speaker 1: that someone's got to eat ten million dollars and essentially

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Speaker 1: But a lot of these big name guys and a

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Speaker 1: lot of famous players, Now just because you're famous doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you can play anymore. Are gonna get traded over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days. Okay, before we get out

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Speaker 1: of here, I gotta welcome you to Chasing Challenges brought

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Speaker 1: drafting is hard. It's not an exact science because you're

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Speaker 1: dealing with human beings. I saw this quote from Kyle

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Speaker 1: Here's a quote from Kyle Shanahan for my guy, Matt

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Speaker 1: I think that sums it all up. And all these

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Speaker 1: these players. How much do you love football? How much

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Speaker 1: Because if that's the reason, not because you love everything

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Speaker 1: Most guys in the NFL bust and don't work out,

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do a little quick middle coop mail bag.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go draft rapid fire style because

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Speaker 1: this is not gonna have that big of a shelf

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Speaker 1: life obviously with the draft literally today, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna I'll try to be quicker than than normal. We

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Speaker 1: will start with read Sanders, draft odds have gone from

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on as possible slide. The Palissar article didn't help,

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Speaker 1: I would say by April twenty third, or is when

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Speaker 1: the Palasaro article came out, so the day before the draft,

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Speaker 1: I didn't read it. I honestly, I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: there was an article today. Nothing in that article, if

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Speaker 1: nothing that a team that was interested in drafting Shador

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Speaker 1: Sanders did not know reading in that article, and if

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Speaker 1: there was, then the team's clueless. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say that any team that was very interested

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Speaker 1: in Shadoor, there's nothing there learning from an article the

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Speaker 1: of teams not drafting them high, not because of anything

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Speaker 1: you're saying. I also think that I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: it's an article could be wrong. I'm not saying I'm

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent know that, but I don't think what

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Speaker 1: do you think of giving players at the draft a

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Speaker 1: you have no say in what team you would like

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Speaker 1: to join. Only top college players. They go to the

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Speaker 1: worst teams in the NFL, and sometimes their careers are

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Speaker 1: dying there. Hear what you're saying. This is kind of

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Speaker 1: lottery with the draft. Obviously, this is more more of

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Speaker 1: like a bold step. I just don't think the NFL

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Speaker 1: is that interested in messing with the lottery odds. Situations

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Speaker 1: I would rather go to Vegas like that. They're never

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Speaker 1: doing that. A big big Charger fan and big Middlecoff fan.

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Speaker 1: I like this guy. With that being said, who do

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Speaker 1: you think the Chargers will should take their first and

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Speaker 1: second round picks. I'm hoping for Loveland and and Trayvon Henderson.

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Speaker 1: If you ended up with a sweet tight end and

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Speaker 1: think the Chiefs brought in Henderson. I forget I saw

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Speaker 1: a headline whether they had a call with them or

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Speaker 1: they flew him to Kansas City. But I do think

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Speaker 1: he'd be in play for Kansas City as well. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he will be there when the Chargers have

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Speaker 1: their second round pick. I think you guys are going offense,

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Speaker 1: so this guy's basically just complaining about taking defensive an

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Speaker 1: offensive linement. I'd feel pretty good. Like one of Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh's best assets last year and definitely this year still

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Speaker 1: is that he knows these guys so well. He's recruited

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Speaker 1: all these players, He's coached against them, so like Levelin

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Speaker 1: was his guy Henderson, Like he knows these guys, so

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Speaker 1: does his defensive coordinator has coached against these guys. So

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Speaker 1: I'd be confident going into this draft about harbass knowledge

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Speaker 1: of these players. Is it tough for these days to

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Speaker 1: evaluate quarterbacks with so many college programs running non traditional

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Speaker 1: NFL style offenses. How do you know a guy can

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Speaker 1: run a pro style offense when they've barely been asked

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Speaker 1: to assess those situations or make those throws in college. Well,

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Speaker 1: just because you get to a throw, maybe in a

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Speaker 1: shotgun situation in a Texas Tech Air raid situation different

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Speaker 1: than under center in a five or seven step drop,

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean you don't have the arm strength or the

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Speaker 1: accuracy to make that throw. I remember asking Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: if he thought it was harder to evaluate Mahomes in

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Speaker 1: that spread offense than it would have been twenty years

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Speaker 1: he thought it was easier because if you're I'm just

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Speaker 1: picking a random number. Let's say on average, you're thrown

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Speaker 1: at forty five to fifty times a game. He said,

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Speaker 1: for Mahomes, for example, he just took out all the

649
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Speaker 1: quick screens, so any throw behind the line of scrimmage

650
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: they when he was evaluating, he just didn't watch. What's

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Speaker 1: the point, like, obviously he can make that throw. It's

652
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Speaker 1: I don't need to evaluate you off that throw, but

653
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Speaker 1: all the other throws, now your footwork, you're in the shotgun.

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Speaker 1: You might not be in the shotgun for similar plays,

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Speaker 1: but I can evaluate you as a thrower, or twenty

656
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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, you were playing in offenses that I

657
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Speaker 1: was gonna look something up. I was gonna go Brett

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: Favre college stats, and let's do Baker Mayfield college stats,

659
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Speaker 1: and let's do Jared Goff, Jared Goff college stats. So

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Speaker 1: Brett Farv in college. I'm just gonna use this as

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Speaker 1: an example. See if they even have his stat At

662
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Southern Mississippi, he threw his senior year nineteen ninety two

663
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five passes. His junior year eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: he threw three hundred and eighty. In his sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: he threw three hundred and nineteen in eleven games. Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: for example, Now he's going to play more games because

667
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Speaker 1: they were playing in Yeah, he's playing thirteen or fourteen. Actually,

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00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: Brett's probably a bad example. He Brett was actually throwing

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Speaker 1: it a lot. Looking at Baker Mayfield's Jared Goff threw

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Speaker 1: at five hundred, five hundred and thirty, Baker Mayfield was

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Speaker 1: four hundred, three fifty four hundred. Now I guess Oklahoma

672
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Speaker 1: was running the ball a lot. Let's use another guy.

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Speaker 1: Let's use Payton Manning Peyton, Manning college stats. I said

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be fat quick, but this is kind

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Speaker 1: of fascinating, So Peyton Manning got I mean, these guys

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Speaker 1: are throwing it a lot. Peyton Manning three hundred and eighty,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty his senior year, four hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy seven seven times nineteen ninety seven. Jared Goff twenty fifteen,

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00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty nine, so he threw it fifty

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Speaker 1: more times in the same amount of games. One left game.

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Speaker 1: So I I think guys sneaky throw it more than

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Speaker 1: you realize now, which your point being that their offense

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Speaker 1: parallels more what NFL teams do back in the day

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Speaker 1: in college under center. I think teams, you know, some

685
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: of these NFL teams shotguns a huge part of their operation.

686
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Speaker 1: So I mean Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, like Ranch shotgun

687
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Speaker 1: offenses in the in the prime of their career. Who

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Speaker 1: do you think the Chiefs are gonna draft. I think

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Speaker 1: it will be offensive weapons because of the Chiefs could

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00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: be more explosive. It would make other teams play differently.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree. I would guess they draft too often. I

692
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna be in the tight end business, and

693
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be in the running back business,

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Speaker 1: so I would expect offense as well. Wouldn't it make

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Speaker 1: more sense for the Titans to draft Hunter or Genty

696
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: they could get a quarterback in the second round or

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Speaker 1: take Cousins. I think they like cam Ward like they

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Speaker 1: think cam Ward can be. I mean, their head coach

699
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Speaker 1: was just around Joe Burrow and their GM was just

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Speaker 1: around Patrick Mahomes, so they have a pretty good idea

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Speaker 1: what a quarterback at a high level looks like. Their

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Nick Holtz, was around Trevor Lawrence two years ago,

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Speaker 1: so I think they got a pretty good idea of

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Speaker 1: what they're looking for in a prospect. I would just

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Speaker 1: take cam Ward. I hear what you're saying. I would

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Speaker 1: rather have cam Ward than Ashton Genty. Everyone's like, you

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Speaker 1: hate I like Ashon Genty, but I'm also the way

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Speaker 1: I look at drafts might just be a little different

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Speaker 1: than everyone else. How do NFL gms receive multiple phone

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Speaker 1: calls and trade offers during the ten minutes to select

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Speaker 1: their pick in the draft? Are they the only ones

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Speaker 1: on the phone or is there a hotline or something

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Speaker 1: where they all are getting offers. I just don't understand

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Speaker 1: how these complex trades can mean negotiated and finalized so quick. Well,

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Speaker 1: any complex trade, and I've heard gms and people around

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Speaker 1: the league talk about this, are being negotiated in the

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Speaker 1: first round right now. So you are putting deals, at

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Speaker 1: least the parameters of deals in place. I'm recording this

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. You did it on Monday. You did on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: You have had these discussions. Anyone that has watched those

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Speaker 1: videos of like a front office, the GM has a

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00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: couple guys, his cap guy, maybe his assistant GM also

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Speaker 1: calling people. So it's like, hey, get a DaCosta on

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Speaker 1: the phone, Hey, get Howie on the phone. Hey get

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Speaker 1: John Lynch on the phone. Get Veach and A on

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Speaker 1: the phone. So you got other people working while I'm working,

727
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Speaker 1: because you're right, you can't do that. I also think

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Speaker 1: just the hard line which all these teams have in

729
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Speaker 1: the draft room. The cell phones are pretty like you

730
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Speaker 1: can text immediately, Like all these guys are texting each

731
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Speaker 1: other too. So yeah, it's a lot going on. It

732
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Speaker 1: is it's really intense. It's it's it's an intense environment.

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Speaker 1: Some guys, you know, I've seen how he just he's

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Speaker 1: comfortable in chaos. I mean, any Eagles fans that have

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Speaker 1: watched the stuff that the team puts out like, he's

736
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Speaker 1: just he's comfortable in that environment. He fucking likes it.

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Speaker 1: He lives for it. I think most guys like it, right,

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Speaker 1: most guys, all these gms, especially like the football guys,

739
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Speaker 1: like the guys that grew up loving football, And I

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Speaker 1: would put Howie in this category as well. Their number

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Speaker 1: one dream to be a GM. Like how Aw he's

742
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Speaker 1: a good example. He talks about, like, you know, his

743
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: dreams to win Super Bowls world because of the World Championships,

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00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: even though it's an American championship. It's always been a

745
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: pet peeve of mine. But like super Bowl, Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls, their dream is a little kid to be

747
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Speaker 1: a GM is the draft. So it's like, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the point of the draft is to build the team

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Speaker 1: to win football games. But like when you desire or

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Speaker 1: aspire to be a general manager, it's sitting in that

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Speaker 1: seat and being on the clock. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the whole point, right, Just like if you aspire to

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Speaker 1: be a you know, a football coach, you probably aspire

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Speaker 1: to call plays I'm a Falcons fan. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about drafting Malachi Starks with our fifteenth pick instead

756
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Speaker 1: of an edge rusher. One thing I really liked about

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Speaker 1: our defense last year was having two absolute lockdown safeties

758
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Speaker 1: who always came in the clutch. With Simmons probably not

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00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: coming back, we'll be missing one of those safeties. Do

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Speaker 1: you think Leonard Floyd is enough for a pass rush

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Speaker 1: with maybe spending a second or a third round pick

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Speaker 1: on an edge rusher. Grady is also gone, which will

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Speaker 1: be another hit to our rush. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: would say historically, if you look at a lot of

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Speaker 1: starters at safety, do not get drafted in the first round. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: if there's an you know, Ed Reid, a Ronnie Lot,

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Speaker 1: I mean, an absolute game changing player. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know Ronning Lott was a little before my time in

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Speaker 1: the draft, but I'd assume Ronning Lott was the first

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Speaker 1: round pick. But you know a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: play that position do not get drafted in the first

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Speaker 1: round that start in the NFL. So Ronning Lott was

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Speaker 1: the eighth pick. I assume that I would say that

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Speaker 1: I would take a defensive lineman in the first round

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Speaker 1: and take a safety on the second day of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Malchi Starks obviously had a great college career. He's a

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Speaker 1: big time player at Georgia. It would be difficult for

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Speaker 1: me to take a safety in the top fifteen. I'm

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Speaker 1: more pro linebacker. Like, if there's a great linebacker, I

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Speaker 1: have no problem taking Luke Keegley, Roquan Smith, those type

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Speaker 1: players in the top fifteen. Safety to me is a

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Speaker 1: little difficult. I would take pass rusher. It's easier for

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Speaker 1: a pass rush to make a safety look good than

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Speaker 1: a safety to make a shitty pass rush look good.

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Speaker 1: Just watch the movie Draft Day on Netflix. I love

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Speaker 1: Costner and the idea of the movie about the draft.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit, was it bad though not even Costner could

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Speaker 1: save it. Have you seen it? And if so, is

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Speaker 1: there anything in that movie that reminded you of something

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Speaker 1: that happened when you worked in the NFL. I have

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00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: seen it. It's been a long time now. I think

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Speaker 1: most people consider it the most unrealistic portrayal of reality ever.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, you don't even need to be

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Speaker 1: some former scout or coach. You know, that's no way

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Speaker 1: that's true. It's just not now. I think some realistic

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00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: aspect of it is like the coach and what's the

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Speaker 1: coach's name? He's the dude from the Firefighting Show on FX,

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Speaker 1: Dennis Leary, I think his name is. And Costner butted

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Speaker 1: heads a lot. I think that there's some truth to that,

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Speaker 1: those two positions not always being on the same page,

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Speaker 1: but the trading of picks and then trading him back.

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00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: I do think there's some validity also to getting to

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Speaker 1: know a guy was a bo Callahan, the quarterback that

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Speaker 1: no one showed up to his birthday like that. It

805
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: seems funny and we all laugh about it, but I

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00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: do think there's some truth to like, does anyone like

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00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Let's use Baker Mayfield as an example. People

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00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: have loved that guy since college. It's why when the

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00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: situation he went through with Odell Beckham, it was like,

810
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: what's going on here? And do you know what? It

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Speaker 1: turned out? Probably more of an Odel issue than Baker

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Speaker 1: because people like Baker Mayfield a lot, and the value

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Speaker 1: you have as a quarterback. Everyone's looking at you, and

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00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: I think you see it around the league. Obviously the

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Speaker 1: star quarterbacks, but even that next tier guys like people

816
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: really like Jared goff. People really like Baker Mayfield, guys

817
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: really like Dak Prescott. I mean, it's it really really matters.

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Speaker 1: So do they come to your birthday? I mean, do

819
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Speaker 1: you even invite all these guys your birthday? I don't know,

820
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: but mail back question in their prime at their APEX

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Speaker 1: pound for pound career for career, who are you taking

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Speaker 1: Farvar Rogers in their apex Apex Farvel one three straight

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Speaker 1: MVPs and took a team back to back Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: I think in their apex like the best of the best,

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Speaker 1: I would lean far Also factoring in the intangible stuff, Well,

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Speaker 1: we just talked about with Baker, with Mahomes, with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: with Lamar, I felt like not only the whole team,

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff and the city would run through a

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Speaker 1: wall for Brettfharv. And there are certain guys like that

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Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. Tom Brady had that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Rogers, I don't know, does he not have that?

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Speaker 1: He didn't have it at the far level, and I

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Speaker 1: think the totality of his career his peak was longer.

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Speaker 1: But at their APEX, Marty morning Wig told me one

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Speaker 1: time he thought that Farv is the best player that

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Speaker 1: he'd ever seen. Now, this was twenty ten or eleven,

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Speaker 1: so I mean there have been great players since, but

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00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: Brady and Manning. I mean, the peak of Farv ninety six,

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, ninety eight was pretty freaking good. I heard

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00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: you in the pod talking about the youngest Heisman winner.

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Speaker 1: The youngest Heisman winner was Lamar Jackson at nineteen, followed

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Speaker 1: by Jamis. I think what I meant, I didn't mean

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Speaker 1: the actual age. I meant, you know, Lamar was a sophomore. Now,

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Speaker 1: technically he was a true sophomore. Johnny Manziel was the

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Speaker 1: youngest in terms of he was the first freshman to

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Speaker 1: win it, but he was a redshirt freshman. I think

847
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: same thing with Jamis. So to me, it's we're nitpicking there.

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. Sophomore's true, true redshir freshman.

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Speaker 1: A true freshman has never won it. You know, Caleb

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00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: want it as a true sophomore. Forever, it was juniors

851
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: and seniors. Now it's obviously redshir freshman and sophomores win it.

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Speaker 1: But I hear what you're saying, because Lamar started as

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Speaker 1: a true freshman at Louisville I'm pretty sure. So he

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Speaker 1: wanted his second years as a starter. Johnny wanted his

855
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: first year starting though he red shirted the previous year.

856
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of alluding to, but I

857
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: appreciate those notes. My question for the pod, I'm a

858
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: Packer fan. In ninety nine, Holmgren left to take the

859
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: Seattle job in Green Bay hired Ray Rhodes. However, we

860
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: had Andy Read on the staff in nineteen ninety eight.

861
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: Do you think football history would have been different had

862
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: Read been hired instead of Roads? Would we have more

863
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: Super Bowls? Would Farv be viewed differently? Do you think

864
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: this could have changed how your career turned out as well? Uh? Well, yeah,

865
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: if you hire him at Green Bay, I think it's

866
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: fair to assume the Packers, Yeah, I mean I would

867
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: have been more bullish on Farv's two thousand's with the

868
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. Obviously, they never get back to the

869
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, never wins another MVP. I think he would

870
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: have played at a higher level. I mean, who would

871
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: you take Andy Reid or Ray Rhoades. So if you

872
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: just at its simplest terms, I think then Andy never

873
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: ends up as a Philadelphia Eagles head coach who knows

874
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: never ends up Kansas City now, like all things end

875
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: up ending, So maybe he is fired, but maybe it's

876
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: at a date when the Chiefs don't have an open

877
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, anytime you do the butterfly effect,

878
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I think it would impact everything. It would change the

879
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: landscape of the National Football League. Does donaldan McNabb get

880
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: drafted to Philadelphia? Who coaches the Eagles? Are the Eagles

881
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: any good? So yeah, I don't know how to quantify

882
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: wins losses, who wins Super Bowls, who doesn't, But it

883
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: would have had a dramatic impact on the National Football

884
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: League for sure, because you guys had a weird before Sherman.

885
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: Or was Mike Sherman there? Who was the coach Ray

886
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: Rhodes because McCarthy got there? And what O seven If

887
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: you were in charge of college football program at Oregon State,

888
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: what would you do to get the program back on track?

889
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: We finished the season ranked in the top twenty and

890
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty three, but with conference realignment, we

891
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: lost our head coach and most of our best players.

892
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: We just finished a huge stadium renovation and acquired Duke

893
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: transfer Malik Murphy, but it still seems like the program

894
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: is nowhere close to where it was pre conference realignment.

895
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas how to get a PAC

896
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: two program like Oregon State in a position to merit

897
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: and offer to join the major four conferences. This does

898
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: not bring me joy saying this. I'm not trying to

899
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: kick you while you're down. I was a small school guy.

900
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm a USC Texas alum. I got

901
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: my start at Fresno State, which is essentially you're technically

902
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: still the PAC twelve, but you're a Mountain West school

903
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: as well. So I have a lot of admiration for

904
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: what goes into the smaller schools to even attempt to compete.

905
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: You have absolutely no shot in twenty twenty five. It

906
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: pains me to say that because unlike me, like going

907
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: to cal Pauly, you got to experience what it was

908
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: like to play in huge games against USC, the University

909
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: of Washington, the university your rival was the University of Oregon,

910
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: who's one of the best programs of the Internet era.

911
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean that was your fucking rival. Excuse my language

912
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: for all the kids listening, but it's over. You got

913
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: no shot, absolutely none, and I think having Dickred on

914
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: the other day, Washington State's guy, and obviously Jonathan Smith.

915
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith, I mean, you know this, but who's now

916
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: the coach at Michigan State played quarterback at Oregon State,

917
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: and there was just like you think he wanted to

918
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: He's he's from LA. You think he wanted to go

919
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: to Michigan State to be a head coach, but he

920
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: couldn't stay because you can't compete, you can't keep players.

921
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: The schedule now relative to what it used to be,

922
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: is never going to be the same. And I think

923
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: you know what sucks being Oregon State in Washington State

924
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: who legitimately tried who you know, for the most part,

925
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: had high highs over the last decade, where UCLA has

926
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: been a joke. The only reason UCLA is in the

927
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: pack or in the big is because USC brought them along,

928
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: right because the LA market, not because of their football program.

929
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: Their football program is a laughingstock. It's why I think

930
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: Nico going there is say over and over as a joke,

931
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: leaving Tennessee to go to UCLA. But like you got

932
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: the short end of the stick where schools like UCLA

933
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: who did not do a good job benefited Hell even

934
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: like Arizona, Like you have been a much better football

935
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: program the University Arizona over the last twenty years. It's

936
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: not even close, and they get to go to the

937
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Big twelve and you get nothing. It sucks. There's nothing

938
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: I can say besides it sucks and that there is

939
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: not a path. There really isn't because even if they

940
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: merge into these two conferences right like the NFL, NFCAFC

941
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: basically the Big Ten and the SEC. I don't see

942
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: how Oregon State gets involved. I really don't. I've heard

943
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: Colins say several times that Rosenhaus can be persuasive. That'd

944
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: be Drew Rosenhaus specifically talking about getting Abdull Carter drafted.

945
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: How is it possible for an agent, even if he's

946
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: a top dog in his profession, to get teams to

947
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: draft his clients when they're the ones spending numerous hours

948
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: and days evaluating players. Okay, this is the last question.

949
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: I think like A. I mean Abdul Carter's You could

950
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: argue he's the most talented guy in this draft because

951
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: of his skill playing pass rusher, elite bend speed, explosion,

952
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: tackling ability, range, Like he's an elite Rosenhaus just has

953
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: to sell you. Maybe on the doctor stuff, he's okay,

954
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: but like you said, the doctor who's an actual doctor

955
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: looks at the GM and the head coach and be like, yeah,

956
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable. What can Drew tell you now?

957
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: Drew can get second opinions. I think it's more his

958
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: persuasion can be helping guys get more money in negotiations,

959
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: doing packaged deals, getting late round picks selected. But when

960
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: you're talking Abdual Carter, I don't think Drew has any

961
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: impact on that at all. And I have a ton

962
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: of respect Rosehouse elite is gig elite, But Abdual Carter,

963
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: maybe you know if you got like Roseman or you

964
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: know less Sneed or one of these guys on the phone.

965
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: I know Trent Balky has done I mean a lot

966
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: of deals with Rosehouse over the years. He definitely can

967
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: have an impact on maybe like a lower tier free

968
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: agent getting workouts for guys in the offseason who are unemployed,

969
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: but in a situation with like a top ten pick.

970
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: I think, especially in a day and age when the

971
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: money is slotted, so it's not one of those like

972
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: can we get the guy signed for those of you

973
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: that are young, like if you're like twenty two years old.

974
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, a huge talking point was like,

975
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: if you had the top two or three pick, you

976
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: would negotiate with like four or five players and kind

977
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: of have an idea who we can sign and who

978
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: we can't. But those days are dead like that, there

979
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: is no negotiation, like this is the contract. Sign it.

980
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: Sign it, buddy, So I hear you. I don't think

981
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: with abdual Carter he has much juice. Now can he

982
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: just pitch the shit out of you with like a

983
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: fifth round guy, wear out your owner? He can do

984
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: that too, he can. One thing Drew would have is

985
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: he would have a direct line to thirty two owners.

986
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: So let me take a step back for a second

987
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: and rephrase where he has no juice. With the top pick,

988
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: he getting the owners here and at the end of

989
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: the day, the guy signing the check is the ultimate

990
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: decision maker. So if he can convince the owner to

991
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: pressure the yeah, So, now, can he impact a GM

992
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: on a top on the seventh pick in the draft?

993
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: Probably not? But what if the owner goes, well, you know,

994
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: I really like so and so, and Drew has been

995
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: wearing him out, maybe took him dinner, had a few cocktails.

996
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: So I think, listen all you guys listening in sales.

997
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: Some guys are just more persistent than others and can

998
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: just kind of talk it into talking into reality. And

999
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: I would say, Drew, you know, does Drew have an impact?

1000
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: You know he's got Jalen Carter. If you've got Howie

1001
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: and Drew with each a class of wine, Like what

1002
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: role did Drew have in convincing Howie that everything was

1003
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: going to be okay? When I was with the Eagles,

1004
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Drew had Shady and Deshaun, So it's like Howie and

1005
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: Drew's relationship probably goes back fifteen twenty years. I would

1006
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: imagine over the last three or four no player they

1007
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: talked more about leading into a draft than Jalen Carter

1008
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: and it's worked out pretty well. I would imagine Drew

1009
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: war Howie just like every other GM, but it worked.

1010
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: So maybe they have a bigger impact than I. Just

1011
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: everything I said, take it all back. Maybe Drew. You know,

1012
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: Drew did tell Ice to an Eskima. The volume