Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day Edith State?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Whoo whoom and down and tie.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, boys and girls. My
Speaker 3: name is Ty Hildebrand. Joining me over there back in
Speaker 3: New York City, My man Dan Ruberstein, Sir, how are you?
Speaker 2: I am fantastic, Tie, I am ready to talk about
Speaker 2: America's Division.
Speaker 1: America's Division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready the PAC twelve North, It's time.
Speaker 1: PAC twelve North.
Speaker 3: We got a little Mountain West Mountain YEP action on
Speaker 3: today's show. We should point out that we are recording
Speaker 3: this show on Wednesday, but it is being posted on Sunday,
Speaker 3: the twelfth, which means that people will be listening to
Speaker 3: this show a day after our live show in Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so perhaps we should offer some qualifiers here just to
Speaker 3: account for anything wacky that might transpire on Saturday evening
Speaker 3: at the live show.
Speaker 2: Ty, I can't believe you beat up my family?
Speaker 1: Yeah, uncalled for?
Speaker 3: Can you believe that Adam Amin mooned the crowd? It
Speaker 3: was uncalled for, but still provocative.
Speaker 2: He said he was going to tie, and people didn't
Speaker 2: trust him. I can't believe you ate that much chicken tie.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe you put away that much chicken hashtag
Speaker 2: tenders with tie.
Speaker 3: Thank you to everyone that came out. We'll be releasing
Speaker 3: that show here shortly.
Speaker 2: I really hope the show happens. I really really do.
Speaker 1: It is only Wednesday. You never know.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for coming on back. This is actually
Speaker 3: our final previous show. We've gone through all the Power
Speaker 3: five divisions. We've talked about all of the Group of
Speaker 3: five conferences this point, we've saved perhaps the best two
Speaker 3: for last in talking about the PAC twelve North and
Speaker 3: the Mountain West Mountain Division. It is a division that
Speaker 3: is near and dear to your heart, Dan, because of
Speaker 3: your Oregon allegiance. I know we talked about the PAC
Speaker 3: twelve South. You're sort of like an encyclopedia for all
Speaker 3: things Pack twelve. So I do tend to lean on
Speaker 3: you a little bit more when we talk about all
Speaker 3: things PAC twelve, especially PAC twelve North. As you look
Speaker 3: at this conference, how's your heart?
Speaker 2: First of all, Ty just tried to trick me and
Speaker 2: try to trick all of you because we're going to
Speaker 2: get to the Conference USA Western Division on a Q
Speaker 2: and a show before the season starts or something. We
Speaker 2: promise we will. Okay, we're not leaving you out North
Speaker 2: Texas or UAB my bead, my PSA.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 2: But the bigger question, Ty, how do I feel about
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve North? Really excited? I am so pumped
Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you why. Oregon State it's
Speaker 2: gonna win more than one game. You heard it here.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna win more than one game. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna win their opener at Ohio State,
Speaker 2: but I think they're gonna win more than one. No,
Speaker 2: I'm excited for this conference or this division. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: quarterback play should be very very good. Jake Browning, Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert kJ Costello, I know you're probably in on the
Speaker 2: Bower hour, just so you can say Bower hour. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I anticipate Wazoo's quarterback situation, whether or not it's Gardner
Speaker 2: Minshew or a younger player being at least decent, given
Speaker 2: Mike Leach's track record with quarterbacks, but I am I'm
Speaker 2: excited because the talent level. I'm excited because of offenses.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about returning familiarity, and I think it will
Speaker 2: be an improved division from where it was last year,
Speaker 2: mostly because of Cal and Oregon.
Speaker 3: I agree, And that gets me to the reasons that
Speaker 3: I care. Because you've got an old trust you like
Speaker 3: Washington at this point, which you sort of know what
Speaker 3: you're gonna get, especially with seventeen guys back from last
Speaker 3: year's team in Chris Peterson, you just know what you're
Speaker 3: gonna get. Stanford, I think you have a pretty good
Speaker 3: idea of what you're gonna get, not so much from
Speaker 3: the quarterback position, which was a bit up and down
Speaker 3: last year, but did seem to settle in with kJ
Speaker 3: Costello towards the latter half of the year, but mainly
Speaker 3: because we've got Bryce Love who had twenty one hundred
Speaker 3: yards a year ago, and also he's got a pretty
Speaker 3: experienced line in front of him, which we'll talk about.
Speaker 3: But four guys back in total, you know what you're
Speaker 3: gonna get from Stanford. Oregon and Cal are the X factors,
Speaker 3: and that's why I care, because I don't know which
Speaker 3: way Oregon's headed. I want you to tell us. And
Speaker 3: Cal I think could be pretty damn plucky. I care
Speaker 3: about plucky teams. Cal's got a lot of pluckiness in
Speaker 3: him this year.
Speaker 2: You want to start with Washington?
Speaker 3: I do want to start with Washington. Washington, Washington went
Speaker 3: ten and two a year ago. They've got seventeen starters back,
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, eight on offense, nine on defense. Some
Speaker 3: big losses to account for, right, Vita Vea.
Speaker 2: Certainly literally big loss, yeah.
Speaker 1: Chief among them.
Speaker 2: Right, Dante pettis enormous.
Speaker 3: Dante Pettis sure, yeah, but Dan, I want to start
Speaker 3: with something a little bit more important to our universe.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm ready for this.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about the quarterback position at Washington? Who
Speaker 3: is their starting quarterback? By the way, for those wandering
Speaker 3: at home playing the home.
Speaker 2: Game, Jake Browning.
Speaker 3: I believe it'd be Jake Browning coming back for his
Speaker 3: senior season. His backup is also a red shirt freshman
Speaker 3: by the name of Jake. The third stringer is a
Speaker 3: freshman by the name of Jake Jacob Sermon. I believe
Speaker 3: there's also a Jacob by the name of Easton who
Speaker 3: is transferring over from Georgia, originally from the state of Washington.
Speaker 3: But he's going to be sitting out this year, Dan,
Speaker 3: there are four Jake on the depth chart here in
Speaker 3: some capacity.
Speaker 2: We have what a history of Jake Locker Yep, Jake
Speaker 2: Heaps is from the state. Jake Busey is one of
Speaker 2: our fine cinematic additions. Now there's a lot of Jake's.
Speaker 2: There's a lot a lot of Jake Jacobs's. But I
Speaker 2: think they have another freshman named Colson. Is his middle
Speaker 2: name Jake, it has to be well, his last name
Speaker 2: is Yankov, which is okay, which is a lot. It's
Speaker 2: a lot. There's a lot of Jake on this QB room.
Speaker 2: And we spent like forty five minutes going back and
Speaker 2: forth on g chat coming up with names for the
Speaker 2: Jake situation. It's not good for anybody to go through these.
Speaker 3: I think twenty eighteen is probably the year that we
Speaker 3: stopped calling them Washington and start calling them Jake Forrest.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Was that mine or yours?
Speaker 1: I think that was mine?
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, I'm trying to find the best one. Jake
Speaker 2: Otomy I thought was pretty good study of Jake, like tracheotomy.
Speaker 1: The great Jake's was another one.
Speaker 2: Yoh, Jacob and afraid not my favorite jake me up
Speaker 2: when you go go oh for Pete's Jake because of
Speaker 2: Chris Peterson.
Speaker 1: Right, Jake me up when September ends.
Speaker 2: Another one, my actual good one was Jake Shack because
Speaker 2: like that's what you call the quarterback room.
Speaker 1: I do like Jhack. That's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, jjj. Forest does have the college and the
Speaker 2: you know, the forestry, the outdoors element of the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3: So okay, schedule's great. That was very important to Deep Dive. Sorry,
Speaker 3: extremely important.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Otherwise though, I think the schedule sets up well. They've
Speaker 3: got the neutral Cider against Auburn, which we talked about
Speaker 3: on the Wednesday show, and we previewed the SEC West
Speaker 3: that games in Atlanta on week one. Beyond that, they're
Speaker 3: at Utah on September fifteenth, They're at Oregon on October thirteenth,
Speaker 3: Stanford's at home. They get ASU, Ucla and Colorado from
Speaker 3: the South. The one thing that I will throw out there,
Speaker 3: and I'll even play what's digging at You one of
Speaker 3: my favorite sounds.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: They are at cal the week before Stanford.
Speaker 2: That's tasty.
Speaker 1: That is a potential trap game.
Speaker 3: But otherwise, Dan, I think barring injury, you got Jake
Speaker 3: Browning overtaking Cody Pickett as the all time leading passer
Speaker 3: in Husky history. You've got Miles Gaskin, who is back
Speaker 3: for like his eighteenth year, only fifty one yards away
Speaker 3: from overtaking Napoleon Kaufman the all time leading rusher list
Speaker 3: in Husky history. I'm going to reiterate what I said
Speaker 3: though on the Pivotal People episode. The offense looks great,
Speaker 3: the defense looks great. I think Chico mcclatcher is the
Speaker 3: guy to watch. Not a big dude, but he's a
Speaker 3: game breaker. That's what Washington needs at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: And he's back, and he's been this last year he
Speaker 1: was hurt.
Speaker 3: I think Chico mcclatcher could bring an element to this
Speaker 3: offense that it was really in need of and still
Speaker 3: is in need of entering twenty eighteen. I feel real
Speaker 3: good about Washington. They're a playoff caliber team. They probably
Speaker 3: win the North. I think eleven and one give me.
Speaker 2: Oh you feel about them if they lose comfortably to
Speaker 2: Auburn to start the season comfortably, If they lose twenty
Speaker 2: seven sixteen, oh man, and it's not like twenty to
Speaker 2: sixteen and they get a last second touchdown. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's twenty seven to nine and Washington scores a garbage point.
Speaker 1: I think I'll be I think I will be stunned
Speaker 1: by that.
Speaker 2: Okay, but if that happens, that's not a crazy thing
Speaker 2: to think of. No, it's not for how good Auburn
Speaker 2: will also be.
Speaker 1: Will that affect how I feel? Marginally?
Speaker 2: I think Washington. It's not must win, but Washington needs
Speaker 2: to look really good. Washington can't lose like they lost
Speaker 2: to Penn State, where they look pretty good on offense
Speaker 2: and move the ball a ton, but keep giving up
Speaker 2: key conversions and stuff like that and are outclassed. I
Speaker 2: like Washington a whole bunch, and it has almost nothing
Speaker 2: to do with their offense, even though their line is
Speaker 2: enormous and should be really good, anchored by Trey Adams,
Speaker 2: who comes back after getting hurt near the end of
Speaker 2: last season. Miles Gaskin's great. The name I really like
Speaker 2: is Salvon Ahmed whatever. I don't know how you perfectly
Speaker 2: pronounce everything there, but he is versatile and excellent and
Speaker 2: all purpose type player. Their secondary is absurd. I'm concerned
Speaker 2: about linebacker. I'm not super concerned about them up front
Speaker 2: on defense. Their secondary Miles Bryant, Austin Joyner, Taylor Rapp,
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy is like the third or fourth corner there.
Speaker 2: They are in an excellent position given what the Pac
Speaker 2: twelve will throw at this Washington team schedule wise and
Speaker 2: quarterback wise. So this is who Washington has to face
Speaker 2: quarterback wise, of the Power five teams on their schedule.
Speaker 2: Jared Stidham, Tyler Huntley, Manny Wilkins, who whoever is starting?
Speaker 2: Probably Dorian Robinson, Thompson Thompson Robinson, I spell get it right.
Speaker 2: At UCLA. The Chip Kelly offense should be okay at
Speaker 2: least justin Herbert in Eugene, the Bauer Hour who you're
Speaker 2: high on, kJ Costello, who I think will have an
Speaker 2: improved year and they'll probably slaughter Washington State. But that's
Speaker 2: a good position to be in against that quarterback lineup
Speaker 2: because there are some guys on that schedule that can
Speaker 2: wing it.
Speaker 3: I saw that Washington was having trouble against its own
Speaker 3: defense in some of the early training cap reports.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm a little bit worried about Washington's offense.
Speaker 2: Why And I'm still worried. And I know Chico mcclatch
Speaker 2: is good and I know you like him, and Hunter
Speaker 2: Bryant is a very good tight end is big. I'm
Speaker 2: worried that Jake Browning has peaked at good and in
Speaker 2: order for this team to make the playoff, I think
Speaker 2: he needs to get to excellence. And it's it's amazing
Speaker 2: that he's good. It's amazing that Washington has a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: After going so long with like well Keith Price had
Speaker 2: those couple quarters where everything seemed to work out, It's
Speaker 2: been a long time since they've had a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: And I think people are going to key on like
Speaker 2: the better teams on Washington schedule did last year. They're
Speaker 2: going to key on making Brownie beat them not just
Speaker 2: through the air but downfield. And I'm not sure without
Speaker 2: Pettis now the second year without John Ross, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure within the context of Washington making the playoff, they
Speaker 2: have that guy. Yeah, but that defense means Washington has
Speaker 2: scored twenty points a game and they'll be fine. Yep,
Speaker 2: So I think Washington minimum was winning ten.
Speaker 1: I agree. Let's move on. Let's go to Stanford.
Speaker 3: The Cardinal went nine and three a year ago, fifteen
Speaker 3: guys back, including Bryce Love. I mentioned at the top
Speaker 3: of the show twenty one hundred yards eighteen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He is most it's likely your Heisman front runner. At
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: I mentioned four guys back along the line. It is
Speaker 3: a gigantic line. Dan two guys on that line are six'.
Speaker 3: Seven three of them were honorable mention FOR pac Twelve
Speaker 3: team of The. Year one of them was a first
Speaker 3: Team All pack twelver Or this is really the guts
Speaker 3: of the. Team it's always the guts of the, team
Speaker 3: but ever more of the case this. Season very formidable on,
Speaker 3: offense especially if kJ costello can continue. Improving he's got veteran.
Speaker 3: Receivers he himself is a lot more of a dual threat.
Speaker 3: Guy the OFFENSE i think is going to be really,
Speaker 3: good depending how Good costello, is depending how they use him,
Speaker 3: stylistically this.
Speaker 1: Could be a more interesting offense. Too SO i am
Speaker 1: genuinely excited about what they do on that side of the.
Speaker 2: Football we need to just take a second and just
Speaker 2: admire the fact That Bryce love is the single most
Speaker 2: dangerous player with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: Football.
Speaker 2: Absolutely we you sort of glossed over that fact not,
Speaker 2: INTENTIONALLY i think more because we've just gotten accustomed To
Speaker 2: Bryce love being mister. Dangerous But stanford has two straight
Speaker 2: running backs that are just absurd and you have to
Speaker 2: hold your. Breath and that is what like you feel
Speaker 2: as a, defense as as somebody rooting for a. Defense
Speaker 2: and this is a situation we've both found ourselves. In
Speaker 2: anytime he touches the ball and he's tackled for like
Speaker 2: a seven yard, gain, yeah you're, like, oh thank. God
Speaker 2: his average was eight point. One but oh my, god
Speaker 2: he only just torched us for fourteen. Yards oh praise.
Speaker 2: Be so that Is Bryce. Love that is what he.
Speaker 2: Represents that is who he. IS i am concerned similarly
Speaker 2: About stanford's stretching teams down the, fields concerned about conservatism
Speaker 2: on offense and not taking shots and punting on the you,
Speaker 2: know the other team's forty. Three those are things that
Speaker 2: annoy me and will in perpetuity About. Stanford and they're
Speaker 2: just going to keep winning nine or ten games a
Speaker 2: year despite any of my stupid. Concerns, defensively a lot
Speaker 2: of new names and, faces both on the line and
Speaker 2: in the secondary that has me a little. Worried the linebacking,
Speaker 2: course should be pretty. Good but like you could just
Speaker 2: If Stanford stanford's schedule the Worst september in the. COUNTRY
Speaker 2: i have a Long.
Speaker 3: September, YEAH i mean it's up there with you, know
Speaker 3: who is it that Had, Clemson alabama And South.
Speaker 2: CAROL a and M.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah in the first month of the. Year.
Speaker 2: Yeah this Is San Diego, state which is probably one
Speaker 2: of the four best group of five TEAMS. Usc THE
Speaker 2: Uc davis aggis. No then after The San Diego STATE
Speaker 2: usc and then AFTER Uc davis, no no bi weeks in.
Speaker 2: Here mind you At oregon At Notre.
Speaker 1: Dame it's.
Speaker 2: Tough that could be potentially four top thirty three defenses In. September. Yeah,
Speaker 2: still and then they go and then they Play.
Speaker 1: Utah, yeah we should be pretty. Good deal with all.
Speaker 3: That. YEAH i look at The stanford team AND i, say,
Speaker 3: well if things break their, way mm, hmm they're a
Speaker 3: dark horse for the. Playoff, oh dark, horse that's that's my, turf,
Speaker 3: TY i, know dark Horse stanford and uh maybe a
Speaker 3: ten and two possible contender for the pack.
Speaker 2: Twelve, uh there's any use of THE p word to
Speaker 2: me means you have at least a very good. Quarterback
Speaker 2: and at least a very good. Defense that is my
Speaker 2: bottom line bar AND i don't see that With. STANFORD
Speaker 2: i see another nine or ten one, year probably eight and,
Speaker 2: four nine and. Three if they go eight and, four
Speaker 2: they'll win their bowl game and go nine and.
Speaker 1: Four all, right let's go To, Oregon, Dan.
Speaker 3: Yeah this is the point in our preseason shows where
Speaker 3: we're pre going to snack right, now OR i could
Speaker 3: go get a, snack maybe go out get a fresh
Speaker 3: bottle of water or. Something But oregon seven to, five
Speaker 3: a new, coach sort Of Maria cristabaal was their offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator year. Ago will we tagger leaves go To Florida?
Speaker 3: State laid on me, Here dan laid on. Me how
Speaker 3: are we feeling About oregon in twenty.
Speaker 1: EIGHTEEN?
Speaker 2: Mm their schedule is such And i've said this multiple
Speaker 2: times that they could have a better record than what
Speaker 2: they actually represent on the. Field they have absolutely nobody
Speaker 2: early in the non. CONFERENCE i believe it's That's Bowling
Speaker 2: green to open the. Season we've Got.
Speaker 3: Bowling, Green we've Got Portland, state and we've Got San
Speaker 3: Jose state in the non conference.
Speaker 2: Slate So Portland state In San Jose state have been.
Speaker 2: Awful you can get into any of these games that
Speaker 2: are all IN ats and for under right, now so
Speaker 2: that's pretty good if you're looking for a. Steal i'm
Speaker 2: not going to advertise the, website but you can get
Speaker 2: in pretty cheap to those. Games So oregon's gonna go
Speaker 2: three to zero and they Have stanford and they go
Speaker 2: to cal to round Out. September they do all of
Speaker 2: this with what we believe to be a very good
Speaker 2: quarterback who has not had a very good game against
Speaker 2: a very good, team both because of injury and. Performance
Speaker 2: so there's still that he will be playing behind a
Speaker 2: line that has a ton of experience but loses its best,
Speaker 2: player but is recruited there very well and should rotate
Speaker 2: in some young players who are, promising, crazy. Undisciplined oregon
Speaker 2: needs to stop shooting itself in the foot with. Penalties
Speaker 2: Justin herbert will be handing the ball off to promising running,
Speaker 2: backs but nobody that scares you Like Royce freeman Or Kenyon,
Speaker 2: Barner Limichael James Leger blunt that, level at least to our,
Speaker 2: knowledge could BE. Cj, verdell could Be Tony, Brooks james
Speaker 2: who's been around forever receiver they're solid. There they get
Speaker 2: a transfer in To Barnie hines tight. End the solid,
Speaker 2: again no game breakers Like Darren carrington was at least
Speaker 2: that jumps out in Mid. August, defensively they should be very,
Speaker 2: good especially. Upfront Troy dye is one of the, best
Speaker 2: probably two or three linebackers in the. Conference up, Front
Speaker 2: Jordan scott was a Freshman All american nose. Tackle next to,
Speaker 2: Him Jalen jels is gonna be really. Good the depth isn't,
Speaker 2: there and you can say that about all three levels
Speaker 2: of their. Defense there's talent depth. Questions so if they
Speaker 2: are healthy on, defense they should have a top thirty,
Speaker 2: defense top twenty five defense in the. Country because of the,
Speaker 2: schedule they MISS usc they Get washington at home after a,
Speaker 2: buye they Get stanford at, home they GET ucla at.
Speaker 2: Home they travel To, utah which is always tricky for,
Speaker 2: everybody and they Host Arizona. State the other trappiness is
Speaker 2: To Washington. State not terribly worried About wazoo this, year
Speaker 2: To arizona which is always just danger in the. Desert
Speaker 2: so this to, ME i have a sense of like
Speaker 2: a nine and three type year For.
Speaker 1: Oregon i've got nine or ten wins.
Speaker 2: Here, yeah it's a very good year to have a
Speaker 2: good defense and a good. Quarterback the depth isn't there
Speaker 2: to be a playoff, team receivers not there to be
Speaker 2: a playoff, team and the unknown quality Of Marcus arroyo
Speaker 2: Slash jim Mastro co, coordinators they're going to be running
Speaker 2: like they're switching the offense around pretty. DRAMATICALLY i think
Speaker 2: the goal is to be AND i talked about this
Speaker 2: on our Friends Wildcat radio. Today Tempo stanford out of
Speaker 2: the pistol with spread. Elements does that mean anything to
Speaker 2: you or those are just? Words a little bit of, Both,
Speaker 2: dan to be, Honest, yeah so there is a giant
Speaker 2: question mark about what this offense actually is and is
Speaker 2: trying to. Do so that to me is why ten
Speaker 2: wins means you've got your act.
Speaker 3: Together you weren't, everywhere you weren't jumping through. Hoops when
Speaker 3: they Hired Mario, CHRIS i think you saw it for
Speaker 3: what it. Was you thought it made. Sense it continued
Speaker 3: a lot of What oregon was trying to put in.
Speaker 3: Place But Mario cristobal was a guy when he was
Speaker 3: a head football coach at f I u we were
Speaker 3: doing the podcast at the. Time he got a lot
Speaker 3: out of that, team and those were exciting football teams.
Speaker 3: TOO i remember watching T Y. Hilton you remember T Y?
Speaker 3: Hilton of? Course Does oregon have a T Y hilton this?
Speaker 3: Year are they gonna have a go to playmaker that
Speaker 3: Isn't Justin herbert.
Speaker 2: On, offense you, know as like an all purpose? Weapon?
Speaker 2: UNCLEAR i, Mean Dylan mitchell is a. Receiver he's not
Speaker 2: like a slot guide, necessarily and he came on strong
Speaker 2: late last. Year Tabari hines was Wake forest and the co,
Speaker 2: offense he was their leading. Receiver they get healthier at tight,
Speaker 2: end but there's nobody that's game. Breaking if it's, anybody
Speaker 2: it's Probably Dylan, mitchell with a slight chance Of Johnny.
Speaker 2: Johnson but those are those feel LIKE b plus guys right.
Speaker 1: NOW i feel nine, wins nine wins feels about right to.
Speaker 2: Me i'm gonna say nine wins with losses To, Washington,
Speaker 2: arizona And utah.
Speaker 1: Maybe a talk to your friends About oregon kind of.
Speaker 2: Year but that would mean they'd Beat, stanford they Beat,
Speaker 2: ucla they Beat wazoo on the, roads they Beat Arizona
Speaker 2: state at. Home that's a pretty successful. Year but, yes
Speaker 2: nine and three with if they get injury luck both
Speaker 2: staying healthy and other teams losing crucial. Players sure there's
Speaker 2: ten and two, flirtation.
Speaker 1: Ten and two. Flirtation.
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Speaker 3: this year they have ten guys back on offense and
Speaker 3: eight on. Defense they do this year the road schedule isn't. Terrible,
Speaker 3: Okay now keep this in. MIND i say, that but
Speaker 3: when we start talking about a team Like, cal it's
Speaker 3: not so much a question of whether or not the
Speaker 3: talent will perform on the. Road this is a question
Speaker 3: we ask about teams THAT i think are more known
Speaker 3: quantities that we expect more. From we can ask that
Speaker 3: question About, washington or About stanford Or auburn Or Alabama,
Speaker 3: georgia teams that we know what we're going to. Get
Speaker 3: will that team perform on the? Road For, cal it's
Speaker 3: really a question across the board about whether or not
Speaker 3: the talent is elite enough to.
Speaker 1: Win elite period?
Speaker 2: Elite All?
Speaker 1: Right Is cal? Elite?
Speaker 3: Perhaps is a question we can ask ourselves in spots
Speaker 3: about The Cal Golden. BEARS i SUSPECT i know the,
Speaker 3: answer and the answer is.
Speaker 2: NO i promise you every week that we preview games this,
Speaker 2: YEAR i am going to check.
Speaker 1: In is? KLALITE i hope you. Do i'm going to can.
Speaker 3: We know the answer to the question is. Klalite the
Speaker 3: answer is no In. August Where i'm going with this,
Speaker 3: though is That Justin wilcox is elite at getting the
Speaker 3: most out of his. Guys so even if he doesn't
Speaker 3: have high end, talent you're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 3: puckiness out, there a lot of pluckiness out. There these
Speaker 3: guys are playing. Hard The Bauer hour will be fun
Speaker 3: to watch With Ross bauer's starting. Quarterback mm. HMM i
Speaker 3: think realistically we're talking six and, six seven and, five
Speaker 3: but it would not surprise me to see. EIGHT i
Speaker 3: like this cal team BECAUSE i think they're gonna play.
Speaker 3: HARD i think the returning talent will be something That
Speaker 3: Justin wilcox is going to use as a springboard to
Speaker 3: improve upon his five wins from a year.
Speaker 2: Ago so it's difficult for me to get fully on
Speaker 2: board with the team that went too and seven in
Speaker 2: The pac twelve last.
Speaker 1: Year, fairpoint very.
Speaker 2: Fair they lose seven of their last, nine.
Speaker 1: And they were.
Speaker 2: COMPETITIVE i will say that they were. Competitive they lose
Speaker 2: in double overtime To. Arizona they lose by a field
Speaker 2: goal in a very strange game To. Stanford they lose
Speaker 2: by field goal TO, ucla so they were, competitive AND
Speaker 2: i think that shows a lot to your use of
Speaker 2: the word, plucky which makes me a little, uncomfortable But
Speaker 2: i'm okay with it WHEN i look at what they
Speaker 2: have right. NOW i am not sold On Ross, bauers
Speaker 2: And i'm not necessarily sold On brandon, mcelwaine who was
Speaker 2: pushing him The South carolina. Transfer BUT i love their.
Speaker 2: COORDINATORS i Love Bo, BALDWIN i Love tim De, ruter
Speaker 2: their past. Defense it's very tough not to when you
Speaker 2: see things crumbling around, you when the offense is taking
Speaker 2: a step, back to not sort of let your guard.
Speaker 2: DOWN i liked that they played hard all year. LONG
Speaker 2: i like that their non conference schedules pretty.
Speaker 1: Good this.
Speaker 2: Year they go To North, carolina which was just delta,
Speaker 2: blow like eight and a half hours after we did
Speaker 2: OUR Acc coastal preview with thirteen players getting suspended for
Speaker 2: Selling Jordan's they Have oregon After Oregon, stanford and that's At,
Speaker 2: cal so there's a big body blow situation. There they
Speaker 2: Have arizona After ARIZONA. Usc they Have washington At cal
Speaker 2: Before Washington, stanford so that's a look ahead. Situation and
Speaker 2: they go TO usc a week before the rivalry game
Speaker 2: AGAINST ucla THAT usc has so, Situationally cal's in a
Speaker 2: pretty good. Space their corners are really really. Good there
Speaker 2: are defensive pieces that are really really. GOOD i like
Speaker 2: them at. Linebacker the big thing to me is in
Speaker 2: looking at them big picture and how they. Perform AND
Speaker 2: i think this is a product of the coordinator. SITUATION
Speaker 2: i was talking to our Pal Yogi, roth and he
Speaker 2: keeps track of something unique in the way that Like
Speaker 2: bruce introduced us to his body blow, theory which may
Speaker 2: or may not mathematically check, out but it's just a.
Speaker 2: Theory And yogi while the games are going, on he
Speaker 2: calls games for THE pac twelve. Network hopefully look it.
Speaker 2: Up it might behind your local cable. Package he keeps
Speaker 2: track of unforced.
Speaker 1: Errors oh like in.
Speaker 2: Tennis like in, tennis so that's, penalties, drops miscommunications where
Speaker 2: like a quarterback throws the ball downfield and nobody's there
Speaker 2: because of the receiver ran a different route than the.
Speaker 3: Fact this isn't just like on the. Fly this is
Speaker 3: something that he actively keeps track.
Speaker 2: Of he keeps track of it during games that he's
Speaker 2: calling and then when he's watching, games he marks things
Speaker 2: down that are just dumb. Mistakes he. Said the two
Speaker 2: teams that outpaced pretty much everybody last year Were cal In,
Speaker 2: washington and it's a mark of focus from players and
Speaker 2: good teaching from. Coaches And cal is one of those
Speaker 2: teams that despite going five and seven last, year despite
Speaker 2: losing what going two and seven in The pac, twelve
Speaker 2: that all of their mistakes or all of their troubles
Speaker 2: or most of their troubles where as a result of
Speaker 2: teams just being better Than. Cal, okay BUT i Think
Speaker 2: Justin wilcox is going to continue recruiting well. Enough they
Speaker 2: Lose Demetrius robertson this, offseason that their five star wide
Speaker 2: receiver going back To. GEORGIA i think there are too
Speaker 2: many questions in terms of playmakers on offense and what
Speaker 2: they're going to look like upfront on defense for them
Speaker 2: to really threaten the better teams on their. Schedule BUT
Speaker 2: i think they can go to A bowl this. YEAR
Speaker 2: i think they. Can they can win six, games seven, games.
Speaker 1: SOMETHING i agree.
Speaker 2: Interesting So, okay, YEAH i am buying incremental improvements With
Speaker 2: cal thanks To Yogi roth's unforced error.
Speaker 1: Theory Washington. State.
Speaker 3: Daniel Washington state went nine to. Three they got drilled
Speaker 3: By Michigan state and The Holiday. Bowl ten starters back this,
Speaker 3: year WHICH i believe makes them the least experienced team
Speaker 3: in The pac. Twelve Alex, grinch their mean defensive, coordinator
Speaker 3: went To Ohio, state and they bring In Tracy, clays
Speaker 3: former head football coach At, minnesota to be their new defensive. Coordinator,
Speaker 3: Now Tracy clays is ACTUALLY i think a pretty good.
Speaker 3: Higher this is a guy, who despite the fact that
Speaker 3: his run As minnesota coach had some ups and, downs
Speaker 3: he was a defensive coordinator for like sixteen years before
Speaker 3: that head coaching. Stint he runs a pretty good defense
Speaker 3: and he's got a track record for being a very
Speaker 3: good defensive. Coordinator you don't really worry about the offense
Speaker 3: With Mike. Leach they'll probably be just fine, there even
Speaker 3: though there are going to be a lot of new.
Speaker 3: Faces and you mentioned the quarterback. Position defensively though defensively
Speaker 3: that's Where wazu made some pretty big strides Under Alex.
Speaker 3: Grinch now that he's, GONE i am worried about what
Speaker 3: this means For wazoo and For Mike. Leach here is
Speaker 3: just sort of a quick glance at what improved Under Alex. Frinch, hey,
Speaker 3: ma we saw the speed defense last, year remember a
Speaker 3: speed D they called it course. Unpredictable in twenty, FOURTEEN
Speaker 3: wazu was one hundred and seventeenth in scoring. Defense the
Speaker 3: next year that improved to seventy, fourth and twenty sixteen
Speaker 3: up to. Fiftieth last year hovered right around that fifty.
Speaker 3: Mark that was so huge For Washington. STATE i Think
Speaker 3: Tracy clays is a good. HIRE i think he plays
Speaker 3: a tough branded. Defense he's had defenses that were really
Speaker 3: stingy in the red zone in the. Past BUT i
Speaker 3: think unless he can really continue What Alex grinch had,
Speaker 3: going unless he can improve upon it in a big,
Speaker 3: way we're probably looking at a year where there are
Speaker 3: just too many questions For Washington, state where the schedule
Speaker 3: isn't terrific in that they play AT, usc they're home
Speaker 3: Against oregon At. STANFORD i think we're probably looking at
Speaker 3: a step back year.
Speaker 2: HERE i think this might be the end of The
Speaker 2: Mike leeue. ERA i, believe AND i will disagree with
Speaker 2: you on one. POINT i am not at all in
Speaker 2: a place to count on A mike leech, offense whatever
Speaker 2: that means in twenty eighteen being automatically pretty good because
Speaker 2: they weren't last year and they were dealing with injury at.
Speaker 2: Quarterback this was a team led by its, defense and
Speaker 2: you said they got up to like fiftieth in scoring
Speaker 2: defense because of their offensive. Struggles that RANK i think
Speaker 2: misleads how good and dangerous that team. Was it was
Speaker 2: probably a top thirty defense in the country and just
Speaker 2: were on the field too much and put into precarious.
Speaker 2: Situations This Washington state team was super fun on defense last,
Speaker 2: year led By Hercules, mataafa an absolute. DUDE i don't
Speaker 2: care where he is in the. World he is an absolute.
Speaker 2: Dude they were they. Finished these are the, analytics mind,
Speaker 2: you eleventh in points per drive on offense out of twelve,
Speaker 2: teams just ahead Of Oregon. State they finish second in
Speaker 2: points per drive on defense allowed in THE pac, twelve
Speaker 2: just Behind Washington so that encouraging about the, defense not
Speaker 2: so super encouraging about the. Offense now they go to
Speaker 2: probably a grad transfer And Gardner minshew comes over FROM
Speaker 2: ecu who is brand new to this. System they lose
Speaker 2: their best running, back they lose their best two offensive
Speaker 2: linemen including What cody, O'Donnell the Mountain man Who Adam
Speaker 2: amine called a dude on NATIONAL, tv and defensively losing
Speaker 2: a couple of big pieces up. FRONT i know they
Speaker 2: return a lot in the linebacking, corps but the other
Speaker 2: thing they lose a lot of is. Coaches tie they
Speaker 2: lost like eight. ASSISTANTS i think this is a season
Speaker 2: in which there are just too many leaks to plug
Speaker 2: For Washington. State AND i think everybody In pullman is
Speaker 2: getting to the point eventually that were Like Mike leach
Speaker 2: may have worn out is welcome a little bit and
Speaker 2: it's just you, know he has not a, ceiling but
Speaker 2: an expiration, date AND i think we've gotten a little
Speaker 2: bit close to that In, pullman AND i think it's
Speaker 2: going to show this. YEAR i think the bottom falls, out.
Speaker 1: AND i hope it.
Speaker 2: DOESN'T i Hope Washington state's fun and gets to the
Speaker 2: point where they're competing for the division once again like
Speaker 2: they were last. Year but it's it's too many. Leaks,
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm going to, SAY i don't think they're making
Speaker 2: a bowl. GAME i think it's like a four and
Speaker 2: eight year with a dissent. State i'm with, you.
Speaker 3: And that brings us then To Oregon. State, Yeah Oregon
Speaker 3: state went one and. Eleven they've got a new, Coach Jonathan,
Speaker 3: smith who was the Former washington offensive. Coordinator fifteen starters
Speaker 3: back from a year, ago, which you, KNOW i don't
Speaker 3: know what that really means on a team that went
Speaker 3: one and, eleven but it's. Something and the only other point,
Speaker 3: here while there's never really a great schedule for a
Speaker 3: team that went one and, eleven, yeah playing At Ohio
Speaker 3: state in week one is sort of cruel and unusual. Punishment, yeah,
Speaker 3: FAIR i guess they have to. Improve maybe they will.
Speaker 3: Improve they one will.
Speaker 2: Improve they Have Ohio state that's gonna be a nail
Speaker 2: bier as to If Ohio. State as to the, Point,
Speaker 2: yeah they're gonna Beat Southern, utah there's a good shot
Speaker 2: of Beating. Nevada nevada is not in a great place right.
Speaker 2: Now arizona's gonna be. Tough Arizona state on the road
Speaker 2: is gonna be. Tough, wazoo we'll see that's at. Home
Speaker 2: colorado on the. Road i'm not super happy About. Colorado
Speaker 2: they had a weird situation With stanford last, year the
Speaker 2: weird close game they closed with a pretty Difficult NOVEMBER
Speaker 2: Usc Stanford, Washington sanford And washington on the, road and
Speaker 2: then The Civil war is at home In. Corvallis but
Speaker 2: That colorado game on the road is After Colorado. Washington
Speaker 2: The Washington state game is After Wazoo. Utah they Have
Speaker 2: arizona a week After ARIZONA. Usc so if you are
Speaker 2: just if you're combing through the, Possibilities i'm gonna Say
Speaker 2: Oregon state goes three and. Nine, OKAY i don't love,
Speaker 2: much but there is a. Sign, WELL i, Like i'm
Speaker 2: a big believer in. Signs what is the first name
Speaker 2: of the probable starting? Quarterback If Connor, blunt the freshman
Speaker 2: does not win the, job is It? Jake it Is Jake.
Speaker 2: Tye and to bring everything full. Circle if you can't
Speaker 2: believe in A, jake what can you? Believe what can
Speaker 2: you believe?
Speaker 1: In Tie Pacific? Northwest jake Forrest Pacific.
Speaker 2: Northwest The Jake forest extends to central Western. Oregon so
Speaker 2: three and Nine Oregon state will incrementally. Improve they Hired
Speaker 2: wisconsin's outside linebackers COACH i believe to run the. Defense
Speaker 2: so The Oregon State Wisconsin Gary Anderson thread has stretched
Speaker 2: a little. Farther it's gonna be a tough. Year BUT
Speaker 2: i would IF i were An Oregon state, FAN i
Speaker 2: would hope for What cal look like near the, end
Speaker 2: even with this terrible schedule at the, end for the
Speaker 2: for The, beaves just that they're show and, fight just
Speaker 2: that they look, organized just that they're playing discipline football
Speaker 2: and go three and, nine and then hope for good
Speaker 2: enough recruiting year over year that they become a bull.
Speaker 2: Threat that to me is a huge. Success it's going to.
Speaker 2: Take it's gonna be a journey. Tie you got to
Speaker 2: get some snacks if you're if you're on this road
Speaker 2: For Oregon, state it's gonna be a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, alrighty there you. Go that is YOUR pac Twelve.
Speaker 3: North i'm Gonna i'm gonna go to and. Ten, okay
Speaker 3: but so winning more than one a better?
Speaker 1: Too and?
Speaker 2: Ten, yeah, yeah all right. Quickly, yes The Mountain West
Speaker 2: Mountain division talk to, me is probably the more fun. Division,
Speaker 2: yes of the two divisions in The Mountain. West AND
Speaker 2: i do Like San Diego, state But Boise state's gonna be,
Speaker 2: great should be the best group of five.
Speaker 1: Team.
Speaker 2: Yep Brett rippon back once. Again Madison. AVENUE i forget
Speaker 2: what you wanted to call. That For Alexander madison should
Speaker 2: be a very good running. Back their, defense even Without
Speaker 2: leyton vander esh should be lights. Out this is nothing,
Speaker 2: New this is nothing.
Speaker 1: EXCITING i THINK i wanted to go Mad dog or. Something,
Speaker 1: Oh Matt. Dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah the other thing is we mentioned kJ Cardi samuels
Speaker 2: on OUR i believe sec. SHOW i want to Say
Speaker 2: arkansas Has Colorado. State Colorado state will be starting kJ Cardi,
Speaker 2: samuels The washington, transfer and The rams don't have much
Speaker 2: of a, Defense so shootout city For Colorado. State New
Speaker 2: mexico's going away from the option Because Georgia southern hired
Speaker 2: their coordinator and they're going With calvin, McGee who has
Speaker 2: been At, Arizona so they're going to be running sort
Speaker 2: of spreadish stuff that they've kind of succeeded with. Recently,
Speaker 2: wyoming because you're hearing a lot of offense, Talk wyoming
Speaker 2: has a great defense and they return basically all of.
Speaker 2: It Carl granderson super, Fun their safeties are. Great wyoming
Speaker 2: could have a year in which whoever starts a quarterback
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i do not have his name in front of,
Speaker 2: me whoever ends up starting a. Quarterback if he, succeeds
Speaker 2: people are going to suddenly say things, like, huh Guess
Speaker 2: Josh allen was not as big of a deal as
Speaker 2: we perhaps. Thought you're talking About Tyler. Vanderwall that sounds, Right,
Speaker 2: YEAH i. AM i am excited For wyoming's. Defense they
Speaker 2: play teams, tough AND i like their. Coach his head
Speaker 2: looks like the inside of The. Oregon, oh The, Mountain
Speaker 2: West mountain will be pretty. Good Utah, state there's not
Speaker 2: a ton there THAT i. Love New. Mexico we mentioned Air.
Speaker 2: Force they just if they're going to, succeed if they're
Speaker 2: going to be a team that threatens eight or nine,
Speaker 2: wins they need to be able to complete sixty percent
Speaker 2: of their. Passes and it's you, know Like Troy. CALHOUN
Speaker 2: i JUST i don't see this team having the offense
Speaker 2: to get to that point because, defensively they're nowhere near.
Speaker 2: It all, right that's it until we talk About CONFERENCE, usa.
Speaker 1: Until we talk About CONFERENCE. Usa, yes the best for last,
Speaker 1: Indeed so, okay Is washington gonna go to the?
Speaker 2: Playoff they're the best team in the back, Twelve BUT
Speaker 2: i don't think they're going to the. Playoff, OKAY i
Speaker 2: think unless they go undefeated or, lose if they lose
Speaker 2: To auburn thirty to twenty, seven, seventeen fourteen and, over you,
Speaker 2: know something crazy and close and, impressive and then just
Speaker 2: smoke the rest of their, schedule go finish out eleven
Speaker 2: and h probably to the. Playoff but short of something like,
Speaker 2: that it's it's tough for me to see them going
Speaker 2: at ten and.
Speaker 3: Two, well right on in, yeah at solid verbal at
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Speaker 3: thoughts on the coming. Season we are working up to
Speaker 3: a show at some point here before we actually start
Speaker 3: Previewing week one games WHERE i Suppose dan AND i
Speaker 3: were gonna have to give some some level of predictions
Speaker 3: for the coming. Playoffs, yeah we're gonna have to do.
Speaker 3: It we don't like too.
Speaker 2: Much why why we're gonna have to do. It let's
Speaker 2: just give our top four about everything else.
Speaker 3: The fans, Demanded, Dan we're gonna have to do. It
Speaker 3: we JUST i just see it that we got to
Speaker 3: tweet about who our.
Speaker 2: Four playoff teams. Are, yeah people love for playoff.
Speaker 3: Teams so we'll talk about that at some point in the.
Speaker 3: Future but we got a couple of shows here now
Speaker 3: coming up THAT i think people are gonna be very excited.
Speaker 3: About we've got The Fantasy things, show which is going
Speaker 3: to drop here in the coming. Days we're also doing
Speaker 3: our best to bring in A q AND a.
Speaker 1: Episode before the start of the. Year.
Speaker 3: Yep and then before you know it will be at
Speaker 3: a point in time where it's time to actually start
Speaker 3: looking At week one.
Speaker 1: Games.
Speaker 2: Tie pix of The, week that kind of thing people have?
Speaker 3: It we?
Speaker 1: Give did we? Give by the, way did we GIVE
Speaker 1: pac Twelve? North?
Speaker 2: Dudes?
Speaker 1: UH i don't? Know can we?
Speaker 2: Can we just have a dude off with The pac Twelve.
Speaker 2: North let's do, it all, right pick a, dude you can.
Speaker 2: START i give you first, Dude.
Speaker 3: My Dude, dan just BECAUSE i feel guilty about the
Speaker 3: fact that Maybe i've panned over.
Speaker 1: Him let's See Bryce love.
Speaker 2: What THE whoa an obvious, one But i'm going double, defense,
Speaker 2: dude triple D first, One Taylor rap say.
Speaker 1: People, Washington, okay.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable nose for the. Ball couldn't keep him off the
Speaker 2: field as a. Freshman second, One Jalen jelks on the. Defensive,
Speaker 2: yeah double defensive.
Speaker 1: Dude that's ALL i.
Speaker 3: Got all, right fun stuff for those people who have
Speaker 3: written in asking about the upcoming pick a.
Speaker 1: Pool stay, tuned mm, hmm stay. Tuned CAN i give?
Speaker 2: It CAN i Give Dan's tip of the, day, Please,
Speaker 2: ty you ever get down on your, computer you get
Speaker 2: down to, uh like four gigs, left and your computer's, like,
Speaker 2: oh you run out of, space make room or you
Speaker 2: want to just close this. Window And i'll go in
Speaker 2: And i'll Say i'm gonna make some. Room i'm gonna
Speaker 2: delete like the garage band. Loops that'll open up some.
Speaker 2: Space i'm gonna delete my wedding.
Speaker 1: Video do.
Speaker 2: That it did not do, that but like, you they
Speaker 2: organize things for, you, Right and it just kept, happening
Speaker 2: and it was, like, oh you only got three gigs,
Speaker 2: left you only got six gigs. Left AND i turned
Speaker 2: to you because you're a you're a tech, guy a
Speaker 2: bit of a tech.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah and then at one point TODAY i just restarted
Speaker 2: my computer AND i was, like maybe this will. Help
Speaker 2: it went from like three gigs to forty. Gigs So
Speaker 2: i'm going to take the advice THAT i give to
Speaker 2: my middle age to old, parents AND i learned something
Speaker 2: very valuable. Today, ty restart your computer every. Once did
Speaker 2: you know? This, yeah oh my, GOD i.
Speaker 3: Don't know about thirty seven gigabytes worth of thirty seven
Speaker 3: gigs free space coming as part of that, restart but
Speaker 3: SURE i.
Speaker 2: Did not say. THAT i also learned not to drink
Speaker 2: water like within two hours of going to bed this.
Speaker 1: Week who? Knew, Well, daniel this has been.
Speaker 3: Fun thank you for imparting some of your Packed north
Speaker 3: wisdom upon.
Speaker 2: Us this is mostly for like our sixty eight year
Speaker 2: old listeners at the end of the show tips all,
Speaker 2: right well for.
Speaker 3: That guy over, There Dan, rubinstein for, Myself Tie. Hildebrand
Speaker 3: thanks for bearing with us here as we went through
Speaker 3: all of the, conferences all The power five. Conferences still
Speaker 3: got one to, go of, course but thank you for
Speaker 3: listening with, us for sending in your, comments your. Suggestions
Speaker 3: we are very excited for the season, ahead and there's
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