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Speaker 1: welcome in Michael O'Hara and Mike. We have to start

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Speaker 1: right off the top with the breaking news this week.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda Lions a third overall pick in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: traded to the Atlanta Falcons. In return, the Lions get

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