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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Yeah Revolution starts now addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Joe Burrow Era begins with the arrival of

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Speaker 1: this year's rookies. For the start of training camp. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: i'll talk to Robert Weintraub, who covers the Bengals for

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Magazine and wrote the team's season preview for this

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Speaker 1: year's edition of The Football Outsiders Almanac. Robert is also

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Speaker 1: a diehard Bengals fan who is as giddy as the

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Speaker 1: rest of us about Joe Burrow. Then, for the first

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Speaker 1: time in a few weeks, it's my broadcast partner Dave

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Speaker 1: Lapham as he answers my questions and yours. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: Last year, I purchased The Football Outsider's Almanac for the

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Speaker 1: first time, and did it somewhat reluctantly. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: was I wrong. The Football Outsider's Almanac is more than

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Speaker 1: all thirty two NFL teams and the Bengals chapter this

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Speaker 1: year was written by Robert Weintraub, who also covers the

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Speaker 1: team for Cincinnati Magazine. I spoke to Robert this week. Robert,

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Speaker 1: I guess your feelings about Joe Burrow can be summed

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Speaker 1: up by this sentence that you wrote in Cincinnati Magazine.

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Speaker 1: Quote pure awesomeness, oozing out of his every pore, don't

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Speaker 1: hold back. Yeah, did I oversell it? We there? I

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Speaker 1: think anything? I feel like I understand. Yeah, it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I remember I went to the LSU Oklahoma semi final.

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Speaker 1: just a quiver, I guess you'd say at all times,

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Speaker 1: and by halftime I was just yelling for them to

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Speaker 1: Right at that point, there's no doubt he provides, you know,

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Speaker 1: note of pessimism aside and just, you know, hope that

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Speaker 1: Joe translates as we think he should. He has all

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see their teams starting eleven and go

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Speaker 1: Last year, the top three players in the entire league

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Speaker 1: certainly we'll see the secondary tackle better, take better angles,

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Speaker 1: People worry about Trey Waynes. Is he truly a number

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Speaker 1: I think that's and so the Bengals could definitely have improved,

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Speaker 1: And obviously mentioned von bell An outstanding run stopper Mackenzie

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Speaker 1: move on. Unfortunately, if it comes to that, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that AJ Green is in quite the same situation.

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Speaker 1: I think, even with his age and injury history, if

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Speaker 1: he plays this season and shows the team and the

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Speaker 1: league really that he can make it through an entire

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Speaker 1: season unscathed, I think there'll be plenty of teams bidding

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Speaker 1: for his services. But he seems to have indicated that

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati would be the place he wants to go, and

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Speaker 1: I think both sides would want to keep him about.

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Speaker 1: You know, both sides want to keep him in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily it's hard to answer without seeing him

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Speaker 1: played this year. If he's anything like the old AJ,

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Speaker 1: and we have no reason to think he wouldn't be,

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Speaker 1: then you know, I could see where they would give

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Speaker 1: him extent him to at least a competitive deal, and

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't be completely opposed to that necessarily from a

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Speaker 1: pure team building analytical side, But a lot of that

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Speaker 1: depends on how he looks to play. If he's really good,

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Speaker 1: he might price himself entirely out of the Bengals price structure.

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Speaker 1: You know, he sort of wished to hope for him

448
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Speaker 1: as a Bengal fan, to have sort of a medium

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Speaker 1: year which shows that he can stay healthy, but not

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Speaker 1: great enough that he's you know, too expensive. I guess

451
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Speaker 1: it's that's where the heart and the head collide, right

452
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Speaker 1: in the medium. I want great year and pay the

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Speaker 1: guy too. I mean, you know, and who knows what

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Speaker 1: the future of the salary cap is. You hear a

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Speaker 1: lot of doom and gloom, but then the owners always

456
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Speaker 1: cry poor. There's always plenty of money when you need

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Speaker 1: it to be spent in other areas. So you know,

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Speaker 1: if anybody deserves a big contract over and above what

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Speaker 1: you know, certainly other people will get. It's aj green.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything any doubt about that. A

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Speaker 1: couple more questions for Robert Weintraub a great Twitter, followed

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Speaker 1: by the way at Rob Wine w E I N

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Speaker 1: has your hope been restored? I like to think he

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Speaker 1: was never extinguished. That come on, I'm always the eternal

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Speaker 1: out to this. Uh yeah, there's no question. Like I

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Speaker 1: said at the beginning, just watching Joe Burrow play this

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Speaker 1: entire year and knowing he was pretty much ticketed for

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Speaker 1: since since about Thanksgiving, Uh, it's been you know, it's

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Speaker 1: been at full full flame, you know for a while now.

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Speaker 1: Pandemic be damned. I definitely think you know that the

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, as we all know, you know, that's the

472
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Speaker 1: that's the tide that lifts all boats, right, I mean everything,

473
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Speaker 1: not just you play on the field. He'll he'll improve

474
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Speaker 1: the defense because the offense is better. Who will make

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff look better? And he might even you know,

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Speaker 1: keep the team in Cincinnati when it's all done. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to put too much on the guy's shoulders,

478
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Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot of talk about that.

479
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Speaker 1: You know, if the team continues down the wrong path,

480
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Speaker 1: who knows what the future will hold in Maybe there's

481
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Speaker 1: with the stadium lease issue up ahead. Nobody really knows.

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Speaker 1: The team is influx. And the one thing that certainly

483
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Speaker 1: takes that, you know, takes that out of play and

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Speaker 1: brings the team into the pride of the civic heart,

485
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Speaker 1: so to speak, would be a great quarterback and the

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Speaker 1: guy who can look up to you and certainly looks

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Speaker 1: like Joe has everything in that in his positive categories

488
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Speaker 1: to make that happen, just needs to do it on

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Speaker 1: the field. And you know, I'm certainly I'm certainly optimistic.

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Speaker 1: I'm cautiously optimistic, I guess you'd say, because I'm a

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Speaker 1: Bengals fan and my hope has been obliterated so often

492
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Speaker 1: over these years. But at this point I'm definitely optimistic.

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Speaker 1: And that leads to the final question, how did a

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Speaker 1: kid from New York State becomes such a diehard Bengals fan? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I got no business being a Bengal fan, that's true.

496
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Speaker 1: And if I become a Jets or Giants fan like

497
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Speaker 1: everybody else in my neighborhood, I just would have saved

498
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Speaker 1: myself a lot of psychic anguish over the years. I

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Speaker 1: suppose maybe maybe Giants. I don't know about Jets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good point, and I think what to answer

501
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Speaker 1: the question, I'm pretty sure they were the Bengals were

502
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Speaker 1: playing the Jets. You know, I was five, six years

503
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Speaker 1: old something like that, and you know, you drop in

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Speaker 1: front of the TV and you watch the game, and

505
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: obviously the Bengals won that day, or maybe their uniforms

506
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Speaker 1: look cool. I'm not sure, but whatever alchemy goes on

507
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Speaker 1: in the little kid's mind. You know, I just said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's my team, and uh, you know, I'm stuck to

509
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Speaker 1: it at plenty of opportunities as supposed to change. But

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Speaker 1: you know you can't do that and be a real fan, right,

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Speaker 1: So I've stuck with the Bengals through thick and mostly

512
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Speaker 1: thin over these many many years now, and hopefully some

513
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Speaker 1: of that, some of that loyalty will be rewarded with

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Speaker 1: the dawn of a new era, the Joe Burrow era.

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Speaker 1: Your patients will be rewarded thanks to the quarterback with

516
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Speaker 1: awesomeness oozing out of every pore. Indeed myself. Yeah, we

517
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: have been chatting with Robert Weintraub, who writes about the

518
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: Bengals for Cincinnati Magazine and the website in addition to

519
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: writing for Football Outsiders. Plus, you are an author of

520
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Speaker 1: several books, and you have a new one out now.

521
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Speaker 1: Tell us about it. Yeah. Thanks. It's called The Divine

522
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Speaker 1: Miss Marble. It's about a woman named Alice Marble, who,

523
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Speaker 1: in addition to being the greatest female tennis player the

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Speaker 1: pre war era, having her illustrious career ended by World

525
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Speaker 1: War Two, also excelled in a number of off the

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Speaker 1: courts areas, including so she says, and the heart of

527
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Speaker 1: the book is really a detective story, an espionage mission

528
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Speaker 1: unless she went on during World War Two and just

529
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Speaker 1: claimed that she was shot during and had all kinds

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Speaker 1: of daring do. And I follow her path down a

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Speaker 1: lot of unusual and dark paths to ferret out her story,

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Speaker 1: and it's really quite fascinating. She's a mysterious and amazing woman,

533
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Speaker 1: even putting all that mystery aside, and somebody who's kind

534
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Speaker 1: of been forgotten over the years because of just time

535
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Speaker 1: in sports history and because of her her career was interrupted.

536
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Speaker 1: But she's an amazing subject and I hope everybody checks

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Speaker 1: it out. The Divine Miss Marble is the name of

538
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Speaker 1: the book, and you can get it you know, Amazon, Penguin, Random,

539
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Speaker 1: random House dot com, or anywhere bookstores are open these days,

540
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: which hopefully is more and more places as we as

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Speaker 1: we get healthier. Well, let's hope sounds like she had

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Speaker 1: some awesomeness oozing out of her stores as well. The Female, Yes,

543
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: sounds like a great read. Again. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: get my Football Outsiders Almanac, and I can't recommend purchasing

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Speaker 1: that more highly to football fans. If you haven't done

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Speaker 1: it before, please do it. It's it's great and we

547
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Speaker 1: all have time to read right now, so this is

548
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Speaker 1: the perfect time to purchase one. Robert, this has been great.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll do it again down the road, and the

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Speaker 1: next time we do, hopefully we'll be talking about the

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Speaker 1: emerging Bengals under the leadership of Joe Burrow, indeed six

552
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Speaker 1: and two and looking for the playoffs. That would be nice. Yes,

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Speaker 1: any time. Damp Football Outsiders Almanac isn't cheap. The printed

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Speaker 1: you can get more information at Football Outsiders dot com.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to our next conversation, here's a quick

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Speaker 1: reminder that you can take your Bengals pride to the

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Speaker 1: package from Prime Sport. It's been a few weeks since

561
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Speaker 1: we've heard from my broadcast partner Dave Lapham on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: He went on vacation early in the month and I

563
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: was out of town last week, but we got together

564
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Speaker 1: this week to discuss the start of training camp and

565
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Speaker 1: to answer the ask lap questions that you submitted on Twitter. Lap.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with another never doubt Dave Lapham.

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00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: Lesson for more than a month on this podcast, you

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Speaker 1: have talked about the possibility of having a reduced number

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Speaker 1: of players in training camps under these circumstances, and I

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Speaker 1: never said it to you, but in my mind I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: no way, the players will never allow it. Well, sure enough,

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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter reported earlier this week the teams will likely

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Speaker 1: have eighty players on the roster instead of the usual ninety.

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Speaker 1: Once again, never doubt, Dave Lapham. Who does this help?

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Speaker 1: Who does it hurt? Well, it hurts all the college

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Speaker 1: free agents, late round picks that you know are going

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Speaker 1: to be using preseason games to make their mark a

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Speaker 1: little bit. A lot of times you can evaluate players

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Speaker 1: in certain drills in practice, and then all you have

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Speaker 1: to do in the game is see, okay, can he

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Speaker 1: finish but he's putting himself in great position. Now can

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Speaker 1: he bring the guy to the ground? You know? And

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Speaker 1: then you see in the games if in fact he

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Speaker 1: can do all phases of it, and you make a

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Speaker 1: determination if a guy makes the team or not. Without that,

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Speaker 1: it's it's very, very difficult for you know, the late

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Speaker 1: round picks and the college free agents to make the

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Speaker 1: football team. I mean, you know, unless you're a guy

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Speaker 1: like Tim Crummer, who the very first drill is like whoa,

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Speaker 1: I mean this guy, how did he last? Still the

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Speaker 1: tenth round? Everybody missed on this dude. Um, those those

592
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: are kind of rare. A lot of times you just

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Speaker 1: you need reps, you need opportunities to prove yourself. So

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Speaker 1: it really hurts hurts that level of player. What it

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Speaker 1: helps is the veteran who's hanging on, you know, the

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Speaker 1: guy that maybe can do a few things, can provide

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Speaker 1: back up in a few different a couple of different

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Speaker 1: position areas, and uh, you know, can still you know,

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Speaker 1: be a factor in the in the room as such

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Speaker 1: in terms of grooming some younger guys. And uh, you know,

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00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: he's battling for the last year or two of his

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Speaker 1: career against a guy who you know doesn't get the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to show or there are a fewer numbers of

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Speaker 1: guys going against him to take that job. It just

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Speaker 1: it just makes it makes life a little bit better

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Speaker 1: for those guys. So the Union probably said, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll take We'll take that that's that's something we'll give on.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll take that ten fewer players because we're

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Speaker 1: protecting our guys that are already union members. We're protecting

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Speaker 1: their job even more so. So you do feel for

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Speaker 1: the guys that and there's ten per team that's und

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Speaker 1: twenty guys. Out of three hundred twenty guys you're probably

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Speaker 1: gonna get thirty or so that could really make a team,

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Speaker 1: make an impact, have have a career, and those guys

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Speaker 1: you feel really bad for. This is our first conversation

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Speaker 1: since AJ Green signed his franchise tag tender and then

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Speaker 1: spoke to reporters. You asked him several questions during that

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Speaker 1: zoom call. What stood out the fact that he is,

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Speaker 1: in my mind, cut from the same cloth as Anthony Munios.

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Speaker 1: He might be the greatest human being, you know, in

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Speaker 1: terms of a football player, not just not just a

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Speaker 1: great player, I mean a world class player, but as

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Speaker 1: well has everything else, I mean everything you could ask for.

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Speaker 1: Just a tremendous human being, a great leader of men.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the team is going to be better for

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Speaker 1: having him on the practice field every day. I've said

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Speaker 1: it many times, you know, and even in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I work out with Anthony, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, this guy, the great ones, Anthony Minos, James Brooks,

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Speaker 1: they worked harder than anybody. So it's like, look what

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Speaker 1: Anthony's doing, Look what Jab's doing. Am I doing enough?

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Speaker 1: You know? And that's the same with aj Green. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, these young players. Look what he j Green's

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Speaker 1: doing in practice. Look what he does, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: ready for workouts. Am I doing enough? And it just

636
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Speaker 1: raises the boat, you know. So he just makes he

637
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Speaker 1: makes the football team better in obvious ways, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the field, tilting coverage, defenses, having to do accompliment

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Speaker 1: and all that. But the ripple effect all the way

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00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: down to you know, how he takes care of his

641
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: body for nutrition wise, guys, see how he works out,

642
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: all the little things. I mean, he just he upgrades

643
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: the organization every way it can be upgraded. And most importantly,

644
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: what kind of guy he is, you know, the human

645
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: being that he is. He's such a plus to a

646
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: locker room. Speaking of Anthony Milius, Johnny Unitis ended his

647
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: career with the Chargers, Emmett Smith with the Cardinals, Joe

648
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: nath with the Rams, Anthony Munier has played in preseason

649
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: games for the Bucks. Thankfully, he never played in a

650
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: regular season game in that uniform. So here's my question

651
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: prediction time. Will AJ Green end his career with the

652
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Bengals or will he eventually wear another uniform? You know,

653
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: I asked him that very question is why is it,

654
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: why is this so important for you to finish, you know,

655
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: as a Cincinnati Bengal And his answer was, executy to

656
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: expect from AJ Green. That's the team that took the

657
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: chance to me. That's the team that picked me. That's

658
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: the team that said we want you. And a guy

659
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: like him, with the character that he has, all things

660
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: being equal, I think he is going to stay with

661
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: that football team. So it would not shock me at

662
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: all if AJ Green takes every single snap of his

663
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: professional career as a Cincinnati Bengal, because you know, I

664
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: mean the organization obviously, everything we're talking about with AJ Green,

665
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: they see it in spades every single day. So I mean,

666
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: this is like you know, parting with the biggest diamond

667
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: you can mine in a minefield in Africa, uh In

668
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: saying that I'm done with that and I'm going to

669
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: move on to another one. I think I'll keep that one,

670
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't know. I don't I

671
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: think I'll just make sure that that I wear that

672
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: until he cracks or whatever happens to Diamonds. I don't

673
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: know what happens to him, but I mean A J

674
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: and I and I really do think that he does.

675
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: He says he feels like he has four years left.

676
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: And we've talked about it a few times. Dan seeing

677
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: him up there in Cleveland on the field before the game,

678
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, heys, and he said it. I'm not the fastest,

679
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: but man, I'm smooth. I'm like, that's part he is

680
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 1: so sinking his hips, getting in and out of cuts.

681
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: At a guy six foot four looking like a guy

682
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: five foot four, The way he can sink his hips

683
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and getting it out is remarkable. And that's what makes

684
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: you know great receivers um. You know Fred Bulitnikoff, Um,

685
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: guys like you know of that of that type, Steve Largent,

686
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: they weren't going to burn, but they he just got

687
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: in and out of cuts. I mean, they changed direction.

688
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: They had that type of thing, uh in their game,

689
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: and we're always open and that's what That's what AJ's got.

690
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: On top of leaping ability hands. And he's plenty fast too.

691
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to say that. Uh you know,

692
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: A two was being very humble as he always is. Well, yeah,

693
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: it may not be that you're pretty fast, man. You

694
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: can run. You can run. You may not be world class,

695
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: but you can run, man. And if he stays healthy

696
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: this year and plays the way that Aj Green has

697
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: always played when healthy, I personally think the Bengals would

698
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: pay him as much as any other team in the

699
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: league would pay him. I agree with you. I agree

700
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: with you, Dan, I mean I think that, and I

701
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: think aj Aj seems to me to be the kind

702
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: of guy that if he feels like he's been treated

703
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: fairly and he knows has a good feeling about his

704
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: environment and the surroundings and everything. Because Aj is not

705
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: one of these guys that you know as a boisterous,

706
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, outgoing coming to locker room. It's all about me,

707
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: me me, Hey, I'm Aj Green here, I'm He'd rather

708
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: be a guy just you know, just blending in working

709
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: as you know, just just blend in with the crowd

710
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: of the locker room. And I think if he feels

711
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: good about Zach Taylor, the coaching staff, his teammates Joe Burrow,

712
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: I think he stays and I can see it definitely happened.

713
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: The owners and players are still negotiating details for training

714
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: camp in the upcoming season. The players pushed for no

715
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: preseason games. It looks like they're going to get their wish.

716
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: So how huge of a problem is that for a

717
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback like Joe Burrow. You know, it's it's I

718
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: think it's gotta it's gotta be tough because I'm thinking

719
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman, no preseason games plum. Playing in

720
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: a regular season game without any preseason steps whatsoever, is

721
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: like going into the opening night of a play without

722
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: any dress rehearsal. You know, it's like, hey, you feel

723
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: a little naked. You know, it's like not quite sure

724
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: and maybe not maybe you're totally sure about what you're

725
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: supposed to do, but how you're supposed to do it

726
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: in concert with others, you know, when those stunts happen

727
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: and all those kind of things that you need to

728
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: take game reps to get a feel for and make

729
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: sure that you are all on the same page and

730
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: everything's locked up, everything's buttoned up. So there's still a

731
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: little uncertainty you know, I think I know how it's

732
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: going to flow, but I'm not really totally sure how

733
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: it's going to flow. And I think the level of

734
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: play in the first a few games are going to

735
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: be more like preseason, you know. I think there's going

736
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: to be tackling issues. There's tackling issues anyway, because people

737
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: don't tackle anymore in practice, but I think it's going

738
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: to be even more so. And I think, you know,

739
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: I think some of the pass protection pickups of twists

740
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: and stunts is going to be spotty, you know. And

741
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: and a young player like like Joe Burrow with AJ Green,

742
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: for example, Andy Dalton and aj Green had built up

743
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: such a report they needed. Andy Dalton knew where AJ

744
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: Green wanted the football on different routes. He wants it here,

745
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: he wants it back shoulder, and he wants to he

746
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: wants him to be lit here. He wants to be

747
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: able to have the ball out in front of him.

748
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: So so he all that stuff only happens by taking

749
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: rep in specifically game reps too, having some sort of

750
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: an idea. So I think there's going to be a

751
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: little bit of an impact. But I am a firm

752
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: believer in what I'm hearing about Joe Burrow that that

753
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: he is so mature. You know, he's he's he's older

754
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: than Mahomes, you know, I mean, he's older than Lamar Jackson.

755
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean he's a mature guy and U and I

756
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, in his ability to pick up and understand offense,

757
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't doubt any of that, but the nuances of

758
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: fine tuning, you know, the reps of where different receivers

759
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: want footballs, and he's really good with that. He didn't

760
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: put the ball the same place to Jeffers and he

761
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: did the Mosses tight end. I mean, he had he

762
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: had an idea of exactly where those guys wanted it.

763
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: And and you know, after doing it for so many reps,

764
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: the receivers know where the quarterback expect them to be,

765
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: and the quarterback feels the receiver's going to be there,

766
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: and he's gonna put the ball exactly where you know

767
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be, and that's that's not going to

768
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: necessarily be there right away if it is. Man, he's

769
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: a magician. He's Joe Burrows, like Joe Burrows more than

770
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: a human being. And that's for she's a superhero. On

771
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: the one hand, I say to myself, college football teams

772
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: don't get preseason games. They have to be ready to

773
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: go right away. On the other hand, the Bengals don't

774
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to schedule an FCS opponent. Yeah, that's true,

775
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: That's very true. And and I think, you know, college,

776
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: they'll hit a little more. I mean, in the NFL,

777
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, they're already they're already concerned now

778
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: with how many padded practices are they going to be

779
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: with respect to no preseason games, we know there's only

780
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: seventeen during the course of the entire season, you know,

781
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: one a week. Maybe it's even less than that. So

782
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how many padded practices are going to

783
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: allow in this negotiated unusual You know, the year twenty

784
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, you think perfect vision, Well, twenty twenty is

785
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: nothing but blurry. There's no perfect about this twenty twenty.

786
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: This twenty twenty is all man, it's all a fog

787
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: for everybody. So you don't know what to expect. So

788
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: how many padded actuses are you're going to have to

789
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: be able to do some of the things we're talking

790
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: about in terms of timing things full speed now there's

791
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: not going to be tackling, but you know the one

792
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: on ones, all of that sort of thing, beating, beating

793
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: a defensive back. You know, the receivers with their footwork

794
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: beating defensive backs in and how it cuts on rounds

795
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: like we're talking about defensive backs, you know, flipping their

796
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: hips like we're all those kind of things. And you know,

797
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: the big worry for me, dan is is they start

798
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: playing regular season games and you know you're not in

799
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: as good a football shape as you would have been

800
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: if you want through training camp to pushing and pulling

801
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: all the time. When you do have padded practices, I mean,

802
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: you can lift weights and run until you're blue in

803
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: the face, But until you get out there and hit push,

804
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: pull all the tenons, ligaments, all the attachments, that's where

805
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: the soreness comes. And man, I'm telling you, the first

806
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: night of after live contact to training camp wake up

807
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: the next morning every year is like rig and Morris

808
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: get out of bed like whoa, Oh, well that's football,

809
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, and now you got to get into football shape.

810
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: So if you get into football shape and then the

811
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: season stops were for or whatever, and you get out

812
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: of football shape, then how are you going to get

813
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: back into football shape if they restarted? And that's a

814
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: concern to me in terms of injuries and all that

815
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: sort of thing that they're talking about. And to me,

816
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: it's almost like a delicate balancing act. You don't want

817
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: to overhit because of player safety, but you don't want

818
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: to have guys go in not ready to hit in

819
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: terms of player safety. Where is that balance? Where is

820
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: that balance of justice there? You know? I mean, that's

821
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: the big deal in NFL news this week, the Titans

822
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: gave Derek Henry a four year, fifty million dollar contract extension.

823
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: They can get out of it after a couple of

824
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: years with minimal salary cap damage. But in any case,

825
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: would you give Joe Mixon a similar deal? Yes? I would.

826
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: I'd give Joe Mixon a similar deal, and you know

827
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: Joe might be looking for more than that. But I

828
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: mean to me, you know, when accaffrey signed, it was like, uh, man,

829
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: that's who when is a running back? And assign and

830
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: what is he going to sign for? And then it

831
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: came back into a more of a realistic standpoint. But

832
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: because McCaffrey's different, I mean, coming out of Stanford was

833
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: like half the half the league was thinking running back,

834
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: half the league was thinking wide receiver. I mean, he's

835
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: that gifted in both of those scenarios, and so he's

836
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: an unusual guy. He's an exception of the rule. I

837
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: would I would. I mean, Joe obviously was a huge,

838
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: huge factor in the second half of the season last year.

839
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, without Aja around and you know, not having

840
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: the passing attack they had, and knowing that Joe Joe

841
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Mixon was going to run the football, he still was

842
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: one of the top rushers in the National Football League

843
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: the last eight games of the season. So he's obviously

844
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: he's a guy that he's a lightning rod for the

845
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: rest of the team. Guys gravitate toward him. They feed

846
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: off his energy. He provides a lot of energy. He's

847
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: a hell of a player. I would, I'd think him

848
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: if I could. There are only five running backs right

849
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: now making more than ten million a year. McCaffrey's deal

850
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: is sixteen million a year, as akl Elliot at fifteen,

851
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: Leveon Bell thirteen point one two five, David Johnson thirteen.

852
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: That one hasn't worked out very well, and now Henry

853
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: twelve point five. That's it. There's nobody between ten and

854
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: Henry's twelve point five. So if you could get Mixon,

855
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: in my opinion, somewhere in that range ten million to

856
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: twelve point five for four years, yeah, I think that's fair.

857
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: I do. I agree with you. And uh, you know,

858
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: you look at it, um, Yeah, Johnson obviously that that

859
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: didn't did not work out at all. Levy on Bell.

860
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: You know, the big money hasn't started to pay dividends

861
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: yet either. So you look at those and you say,

862
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder, I just think McCaffrey's in a

863
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: different category, and so's so's Henry. I mean, god, he's

864
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's a monster. I mean that guy's that

865
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: guys are physical freak to be able to do the

866
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: things that he can do at his size, and uh,

867
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, just his footspeed and his ability to to

868
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, make people miss when he does. And you know,

869
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's a different breed of cat. But

870
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: I do think Joe Mixon is in the upper tier

871
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: of complete backs in the National Football League. I mean,

872
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: Joe won't hesitate to bloody his nose, you know, in

873
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: past protection either. I mean, he's a complete back for sure.

874
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: So just like Batman. We took a gigantic spotlight put

875
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: the Bengals logo into the Cincinnati sky and that was

876
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: the signal for ask lap questions on Twitter. So we've

877
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: got a bunch from people. Here goes. Randy is up first,

878
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: with no preseason game games. What's the over under on

879
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: early season injuries? And rather than trying to come up

880
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: with some sort of number for an over under, just

881
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: in general terms, do you expect a big increase in injuries?

882
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: That's that's a big That's an interesting question because that's

883
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: what I was talking about with I can understand how

884
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: guys want to You have to ramp into it. There's

885
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: not going to be anything but lifting and conditioning initially

886
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: and then unpadded practices and then a few padded practices

887
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: down the stretch. And if you're not, if you have

888
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: not had at least in preseason game, no matter when

889
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: it is, you know the preseason game. Number three is

890
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: one the veterans usually get the most snaps and they

891
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: go through that stiffness thing. I was talking about, that

892
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: football getting in football shape kind of thing. And you

893
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: still have time to get yourself ready for that for

894
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: that opener. I don't know I just I wonder. I

895
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: can see a lot of guys after the first game

896
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: of the season waking up on Monday morning going, oh

897
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: my god, I've never felt like this. And the Bengals

898
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: play on Thursday in a week two, Yeah, they get

899
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: the short week. They got Cleveland, um, and you know,

900
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: it's it's if you're an offensive lineman working against the

901
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: Chargers have a pretty good physical defense up front, and

902
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: because sometimes you play against teams and their finesse teams,

903
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's relative. It's still there's still

904
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: some physicality, but some are just brutes, you know, some

905
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: just try to beat you up. Chargers have have some

906
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: force in their front seven. And you wake up on

907
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: Monday morning and it's like going to play Thursday night.

908
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years I feel a little stiff. I'm gonna

909
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: be able to play Thursday night. I mean, those kind

910
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: of things start to start to be a little bit

911
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: of a factor. We've talked about it before. You know,

912
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: when I was twenty two or twenty three, I could

913
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: play Sunday. I felt like I'd played on Tuesday or Wednesday.

914
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, once I got in football shape, you hit

915
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: twenty eight, thirty thirty one, thirty two. It's it's a

916
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: little bit different. It's like, yeah, I need all those days.

917
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't Thursday night football, Wow, who Monday night football

918
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: is great, you get that expert, then you got the

919
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: short week after Monday night football. I don't really like

920
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: that short week. So yeah, those are all those are

921
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: all big factors, and I do think that that's going

922
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: to be an issue. It's going to be very interesting

923
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: how they handle Fortunately, it's Cleveland, so they have a

924
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: lot of knowledge of some of the personal but they've

925
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: changed a lot. They have a new head coach, they

926
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: have a new offensive system, they have a new this

927
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: knew that, So they have some sort of familiarity with

928
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, but not as much as they have

929
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: another year's for a short week, So it's going to

930
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: be very interesting how they handle practice. I think a

931
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: lot of that week is going to be mental and

932
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: a lot less of its physical. How many games did

933
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: you play in nineteen eighty three? Played sixteen games with

934
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals, we played oh No, and then four preseason games,

935
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: so I played twenty twenty games and then played twenty

936
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: more with the New Jersey Generals and then two in

937
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: the posted forty two games, forty two football games in

938
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: one calendar year, less than a calendar year, in less

939
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: than a calendar year, and you still have all your marbles.

940
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: And I was. I was thirty two coming home, thirty

941
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: three years old. I remember when I was done with

942
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: that season with the New Jersey Generals. I went to

943
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: Cape Cod and laid in the ocean and I laid

944
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: their light. It was a natural um like hot not

945
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: hot tub, but just the waves, you know, just maybe

946
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: soak a little bit in salt water with the waves.

947
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: And man, I was, I was struggling. I mean, I'd

948
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: go home and lay down after practice, could barely get

949
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: up and shuffle the table and eat dinner. And the

950
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: trainers will give me Enderson, which is what they give

951
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: horses at the racetrack for swelling or inflammation. Mike, are

952
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: you sure, Yeah, yeah, these would be all right. I'm

953
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: on these little red pills Enderson to make sure I

954
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: could play on the following uh on the following Sunday.

955
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was so brutal. Here's a Dave

956
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: lap I'm interview from the end of the nineteen eighty

957
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: three season. From that Enderson of course, of course, next

958
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: question comes from Jim. I think I know the answer

959
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: to this one. Jim asks, would it be best to

960
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: sign or trade for a veteran quarterback and let Joe

961
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: Burrow sit since this is the worst season to start

962
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback in history? You know, it's it's interesting.

963
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there is there is you could you could

964
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: probably say that it might be the worst season to

965
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: start a rookie quarterback in NFL history, But I don't think.

966
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd trade for a veteran quarterback too.

967
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: I really have a belief that mentally he's going to

968
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: be okay if you if you trade for a veteran quarterback, Honestly,

969
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll have obviously reps experience. But Joe

970
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: Burrow I think understands football to the point that just

971
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: about any veteran quarterback in the league. So Joe Burrow

972
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: may not have the reps like we're talking about Joe

973
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: Green and others, but no either with the guy that

974
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: he trade for, I mean, he would have no no prior,

975
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, workout or anything, any kind of timing, any

976
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: kind of This is this is exactly where aj Green,

977
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, wants the football. He doesn't have any of

978
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: that either, So, um, you know, I'm not sure. I'm

979
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: not sure I would necessarily go that route. I think

980
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers obviously he knows what to expect more than

981
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: more than Joe Joe does. But I mean he's in

982
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: a whole new situation with you, with the Indianapolis Colts.

983
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown in any of those guys. He and

984
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow will be on the exact same starting point

985
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: in terms of what kind of reps every every quarterback

986
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: in the league other than you know, Drew Brees. That's

987
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: why you know, the New Orleans Saints said, fine, you know,

988
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: no matter what the leagu he says, we'll see a

989
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: training camp. They got Drew Brees, they get all these

990
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: weapons that he's thrown to. Those guys are so far

991
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve on veterans and rookie quarterbacks that

992
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: are with new teams. That's it's it's a big, big issue.

993
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. Next question from doctor who Day, why

994
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: are players in favor of no preseason games? You know,

995
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I think they just the injury risk, you know, I

996
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: think they just uh, I think players would love to

997
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: see preseason games gone anyway, and players don't really play

998
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: all that much. Veteran players don't play all that much

999
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: in the preseason obviously. Preseason games are intended more for

1000
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: determining the last ten players on your roster and practice

1001
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: squads and all those sort of things. It's player evaluation

1002
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: of the back end of that. That's why there's ninety players.

1003
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: They want to bring as many as they possibly can

1004
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: and to have options to see what they can to

1005
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: fill out their roster and their practice squad. So players

1006
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: think any and I want to avoid injury, they will play.

1007
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: Usually in preseason game number three, they'll play a half,

1008
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: cool down, warm back up, play a series in the

1009
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: third quarter, and get that part of it under their belts.

1010
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that they're not going to have

1011
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 1: going into that first week. Going there at halftime, cool down,

1012
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: warm back up, go out there for the second half.

1013
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: Be the first time you're doing that and in quite

1014
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: a while. So the players. But to me, it's kind

1015
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: of foolhardy because now with salary cap this year, salary

1016
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: caps one hundred ninety eight million dollars preseason with no

1017
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: preseason games next year, salary cap is already going to

1018
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: be affected because players say, oh, I only get like

1019
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred bucks a week to play in the preseason,

1020
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: and I don't start getting paid until the regular season.

1021
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: Those big paychecks will come in. So a fifteen hundred

1022
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: dollars paycheck could become a thirty five thousand dollars paycheck

1023
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: once the regular season starts for some of these guys.

1024
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: But in terms of salary cap, that is part of

1025
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: the salary cap. That is that money that that revenue

1026
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: is split the following year in the salary cap. So

1027
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: the veteran players have to realize that's something that's not

1028
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: going to be there. I mean, people are projecting the

1029
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: salary cap could be down fifty sixty million bucks next

1030
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: year from one hundred ninety eight to one hundred and

1031
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: thirty eight million bucks, and not having a preseason with

1032
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 1: I mean, the TV revenue is obviously not as big

1033
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: as it is in a regular season, but there's there's tickets,

1034
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: there's concessions, there's all those sort of things, and the

1035
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: owners aren't paying out big bucks in terms of the

1036
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: to the players, but that money gets split, the revenue

1037
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: gets split for that that following year's salary cap, so

1038
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: there won't be any any preseason revenue coming up in

1039
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. They're going to have to spread that

1040
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: salary cap damage out over the course of several years,

1041
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: don't you think, because teams aren't just going to say,

1042
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: all right, we got to lop fifty million dollars worth

1043
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: the players off the roster. I don't see that happen.

1044
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: How would you like to be Kansas City with them

1045
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: home signing, you know, and then Chris Jones these big contracts,

1046
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, anybody that in this offseason? How about Miles

1047
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: Garrett up in Cleveland? You kidding me, you know, give

1048
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: him that kind of money and then all of us.

1049
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Maybe next year's cap is going to take a major

1050
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: hit if they don't pro rate it like you're talking about.

1051
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, jeez, maybe we shouldn't. Maybe maybe we

1052
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: should have thought twice about the timing of this. You know,

1053
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: maybe we should have waited a little a little while longer.

1054
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: But you know, because everybody's doing these deals with the perception,

1055
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: and you know, well thought out perception that the Caps

1056
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: are going to do nothing but go up. Well, coronavirus said,

1057
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: not so fast. The best laid plans. All right. Next

1058
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: question comes from Will what's been the issue with Billy

1059
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: Price that's prevented his play in college to carry over

1060
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: to the NFL and can it be corrected? Well, I

1061
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: think one of the things is injury, you know. I

1062
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 1: mean he was durable as durable as you know can

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00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: be in college, played a bunch of games at a

1064
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: house state and a ridiculous number never missed really, and

1065
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: then right away at the combine before the draft, he

1066
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: tears his pectorial doing you know, the bench press h work,

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00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: and that that sets him back a little bit. And

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00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: then he has the planet phaciitis or not the planet phacotis,

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00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: he had the Liz franc injury, and that those are

1070
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: significant where right between the big toe and the second

1071
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: toe you have a separation of the bone and there

1072
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: can be some soft tissue damage in there as well,

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00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: and you have a crack in the foundation, you know,

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, those are two integral

1075
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: areas for for an offensive lineman. Feet. That's where it starts,

1076
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: you have to no matter in sports, no matter what

1077
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: you're talking about, it starts with your feet getting human

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: place to block, and then it finishes with your hands,

1079
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: and if your pectoral's messed up, you can't really finish

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00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: the way you want to with the you know, everything's

1081
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: connected kinesiology, everything's connected. You can't really finish upper body

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00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: wise the way you want to, or put yourself in

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00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: a position to block the way you want to at

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00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: the lower body injury. So those are a factor. And uh,

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: and I do think, um, he's got a little bit

1086
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: of an issue with his arm length. And you know,

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: NP will say Jonah Williams has got shorter arms as well.

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00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: He seems to be able to handle it a little

1089
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: bit differently Billy. Sometimes Billy ends up getting in a

1090
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: situation when I watch him, whereas if you're a skier,

1091
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: his his chins out over the tip of his skis.

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00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: He's leaning too much, he's too too much forward. And

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00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: why he's doing that is with the shorter arms, he

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00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: wants to get the extra length of leaning forward to

1095
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: try to negate the defensive lineman's longer arms, and that

1096
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: just gets them in trouble because they get to the

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00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: back of the candle lever and they'll get him on

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00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: the ground. You know, you're off balance and you and

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00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: you're on the ground. So I mean, you have to

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00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: work with what you got, but you do have to

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00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: make sure that you know you're not you're not leaning

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00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: in the National Football give you lean and defensive lineman,

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00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: you're just drooling waiting for guys to get off balance

1104
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: and lean in the National Football League. John asks, given

1105
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: how well Fred Johnson played at left tackle at the

1106
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: end of the season, is there any chance the Bengals

1107
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: put him at left tackle and Jonah Williams at right tackle.

1108
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: I guess there could be a possibility, but I do

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00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: think that I think they want to give Jonah every

1110
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to, uh, to prove that he can play the

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: left tackle position. He played it at Alabama at a

1112
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: very very high level. Fred Johnson, you know, played one game,

1113
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: but it was an NFL game, you know, no question

1114
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: about it. And he finished the season at the left

1115
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: tackle position and fared well. But the projection of Jonah,

1116
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: a healthy Jonah Williams and uh, you know, Jonah obviously

1117
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: coming off of rotator cuff surgery with a shorter arm.

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00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: To me, is there is there any coincidence to the

1119
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: fact that as you're in a drill without pads, even

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00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: in OTAs, and you're trying to stop somebody and you're

1121
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: maybe not where you should be position wise with the

1122
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: shorter arm you Terry rotator Cuff, don't. I don't know

1123
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: if you if you're not, if you're not in that position,

1124
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: if you have a little bit more length, you're own,

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00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, these are all speculations. Obviously, you

1126
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: just don't know. Hopefully that rotator Cuff is strong and

1127
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: healthy and he shows that he can play the left

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00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: tackle the way he played at Alabama, and then I

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00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: think Fred Johnson, Bobby Hart, Identagy, I'd have a best

1130
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: man win at the right tackle position. You guys battle

1131
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: it out. Not to say that Jonah is. You know,

1132
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: nobody's going to even take snaps on the Jona winning.

1133
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: Obviously he can't do that. So I think Fred Taylor,

1134
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Bobby Hart, whoever it is, Identagy, whoever it is, whoever

1135
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: that swing tackle is, has to be able to play

1136
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: right and left. So you know, maybe knowing Jimmy Turner,

1137
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: maybe he will play Jonah a little bit at right.

1138
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Because in the National Football League, you can't just be

1139
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: like one win position. You can't be just I'm a

1140
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: left tackle and that's all I am. You have to

1141
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: be able to play left or right? Can you go

1142
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: inside and play guard? If you're a guard, can you

1143
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: be a backup center or vice versa. So I think

1144
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: position versatility is extremely important, and I think you need

1145
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: to expose guys to at least you know the scenario that, hey,

1146
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: we get beaten up, you may have to play some

1147
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: right right tackle. You know our best option. This guy

1148
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: can play left. He can't play right at all. You

1149
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: can play right at all. You shown you can play

1150
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: right a little bit, so you know, the more you

1151
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: can do, the more valuable you can be. Final ask

1152
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: lap question. This one comes from PJ. With the addition

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00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 1: of von Bell to go with Jesse Bates. What kind

1154
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: of role does Sean Williams have? That's an interesting question.

1155
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Bengals have played a lot

1156
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: of three safety looks in there and a lot of

1157
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: their sub packages, and uh, you know, Sean is obviously

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00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: capable of doing that. And it's it's it's not a

1159
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: given that von Bell will start at that safety position.

1160
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: They paid him a lot of money though, so you

1161
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 1: know it's it's like again, if you have it's better

1162
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: to have three safeties than only two. And uh, Sean

1163
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: can play. He's very physical, von Bell is very physical.

1164
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Either one of them could play like that linebacker or

1165
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: safety hybrid type position and some of the sub packages

1166
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: when they go to three safeties. So with the problems

1167
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: that they had at the linebacker position, and last year

1168
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: they did do a lot of that and um Um,

1169
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: Sean and and Vaughan both show that they if they can,

1170
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, get off blocks, defeat blocks, separate from blocks,

1171
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: and make plays in the running game not be a liability,

1172
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: they could be on the field a lot. Um. So

1173
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: I know Sean is uh is very highly regarded in

1174
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: the locker room by his teammates and by the coaches

1175
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff, so they'll they'll carve a role

1176
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, there's there's no question about it.

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: It's it's Uh. You You basically you don't say, all right,

1178
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: I've got these are the defenses we're going to run,

1179
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: no matter what personnel I've got. You basically look at

1180
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: your personnel. You have an idea of what you want

1181
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: to do schematically, but sometimes it morphs a little bit

1182
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: based on what you have from personnel standpoint, Where your strengths,

1183
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: where your weaknesses accentuate, your strengths, hide your weaknesses and

1184
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 1: uh and you go from there. And having a guy

1185
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: the caliber Shawn that's had as many NFL snaps as

1186
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: he had, ain't nothing wrong with that. Normally, in training

1187
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: camp were standing between the two fields, right up next

1188
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: to the action, talking to people, picking up interesting material.

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01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: This year, it sounds like we'll be watching from a

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01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: distance wearing masks six feet apart. But that's okay. I'm

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: looking forward to it anyway, And on our next podcast

1192
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: we'll look ahead at some training camp battles that we're

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: looking forward to watching. How that's yeah, that sounds good. Yeah,

1194
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to have binoculars. I think we're gonna

1195
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: be a little ways away, and it's going to be

1196
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: very interesting not having access to players in the locker room.

1197
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: And I mean we can't even go into our studio.

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01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's very little that I guess we're

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna be spending a lot of time up in the

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: press box at Paul Brown Stadium up top there and Dana,

1201
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: we're going to travel for away games. We may be

1202
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: calling football games from up there in the press box

1203
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: and on a monitor. I guess, depending on how this

1204
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: whole thing goes. One thing we know is we don't know.

1205
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: We don't know what the heck is going to happen.

1206
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: It can change weekly, daily, hourly. I mean, it's it's

1207
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: that type of year at twenty twenty, it's about it's

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: a lot blurry on that there's no clear vision to

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01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: what this year is going to unfold. I'll tell you Hi,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Lap and to Robert Weintraub, and that's going

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