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Speaker 1: Advice. Hello, Hello, welcome to the Naughty Bird Nice Show.

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday. I'm in such a good mood and

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Speaker 1: our friend Mark Lupo joins us today, which makes me

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Speaker 1: even happier. Mark, are you there? Here? Are? Hello? My friend?

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Speaker 1: I see you're up in Harlem. Your apartment looks absolutely lovely, lovely, lovely.

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Speaker 1: I woke up. That's not true, I did. I decided

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Speaker 1: that I was going to be in a good mood today. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I didn't wake up in a good mood, but I

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Speaker 1: was walking around. I was a bit bluer. And it's

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Speaker 1: amazing how you can control your mind. So I said

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Speaker 1: to myself, Mark, that's it. No more, no more moodin

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Speaker 1: us today. You're going to be in a good mood.

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Speaker 1: It took me ten minutes. I listened to my favorite song,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm going to have a happy day. Has

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Speaker 1: that ever happened to you? Is it just my craziness? Now?

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Speaker 1: It's so true? And I you know, I wake up

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Speaker 1: every Thursday morning in such a good mood because I

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Speaker 1: know I get to spend it with you. You are

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Speaker 1: a dog. Do you know what time it is? Mark?

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Speaker 1: It is t time. I love this story. At the

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Speaker 1: top of the show. So George Clooney fancy George Clooney

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Speaker 1: is praising Chrissie t Gun for clapping back at critics online.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain. Some millions of people follow Chrissy and

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Speaker 1: we love her epic clap backs, including apparently George Clooney.

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Speaker 1: So Clooney told g g Q magazine that he follows

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Speaker 1: her and he loves watching people go on to try

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Speaker 1: and pick a fight with her, and he's like, oh, dude,

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Speaker 1: don't do that. He's like, you brought a knife to

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Speaker 1: a gunfight. He also confessed to that he has a

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Speaker 1: stack of angry letters that he sent out over the years.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't do it on social media. He actually sends

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Speaker 1: you a letter if you've upset him, and his assistant

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Speaker 1: calls them George versus the world letters. So he really

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Speaker 1: enjoys this. He enjoys watching Chrissy fight back. He also

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Speaker 1: encourages people to pick a good fight. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about this, mark? Do you clap back or do

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Speaker 1: you ignore people? It's so funny. Rob. Over the years,

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Speaker 1: I've worked with George Clooney's publicist whenever I had to

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Speaker 1: reach out for a comment or a state Hello, stands

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Speaker 1: the publicist. You know, he's old school and he always

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Speaker 1: has a witty, funny response from George, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: surprised by the story. But as for me, I don't

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Speaker 1: love to clap back online. I just clap back. You know,

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Speaker 1: the ultimate clap back is your success. So whatever you

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Speaker 1: do in life, you know, just keep winning, keep focusing

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Speaker 1: on yourself and let the haters hate. Yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: really mixed feelings about it. Whenever I've clapped back, I'm

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Speaker 1: no Christy Tigan. So when I'm ide clap back, I

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Speaker 1: So I've learned personally that I just ignore, and actually

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Speaker 1: I it's more more hurtful, more more devastating to be

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Speaker 1: I do think people are all looking for a little

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Speaker 1: I try to not do it. But George might have

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Speaker 1: inspired me, So come at me today, everybody, come back,

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Speaker 1: Come at me. Throw your best punch to day, and

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Speaker 1: I promise I'll pinch back. I'm not really a punching

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Speaker 1: type of guy, but it brings us to our pole

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Speaker 1: question of the day, Very important. George Clooney is praising

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Speaker 1: Chrissie tign for clapping back at the critics that come

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Speaker 1: after her online. Do you do you? Not me? Not Chrissy,

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Speaker 1: not Mark, not Clooney? Do you clap back? I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear. Let us know by going to our

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Speaker 1: Twitter page at Naughty Nice Rob. Our facebook page is

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Speaker 1: Naughty Gossip. You can leave a comment there and be

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Speaker 1: sure to check back tomorrow to hear your results. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. What are you working on? Mark? Yes? So,

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Speaker 1: speaking of Christie Tige, her husband John Legend, who is

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Speaker 1: the former Sexiest Man Alive, is sharing that he's feeling

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Speaker 1: relieved to uh let the title go so Rob. As

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Speaker 1: you know, Michael B. Jordan was just announced to People's

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Speaker 1: John Legend is saying it's time to move on and

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Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan's I do think he is the sexiest

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything away from him. He deserved this,

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Speaker 1: But if I was in charge, I would have picked

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Speaker 1: Dan Levy from Ship's Creek, so I think he's so adorable.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I've Also, everybody knows I have a

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think his body is a little

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Speaker 1: my PR days, though I used to work with People

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Speaker 1: Magazine a great deal, particularly on this issue. Many of

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Speaker 1: my clients, including Bon Jovi, he was on the cover.

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Speaker 1: I think once did he have been the sexiest men

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Speaker 1: to get into this issue. If you're a male celebrity

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Speaker 1: and you're in this issue, you really do enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: The one rule they have, the People magazine has the

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Speaker 1: following rule. You cannot be on the cover. You can't

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Speaker 1: be crowned the sexiest. You can be in the issue.

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Speaker 1: You can be one of the sexiest, but you can't win.

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Speaker 1: You can't be the sexiest unless you give them an

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Speaker 1: to be an exclusive photo shoot. Do you know the

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Speaker 1: only celebrity that I believe turned this down? Do you

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Speaker 1: want to guess? I think every man I can think

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Speaker 1: of has been on the cover. Ryan Goslin said, said

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Speaker 1: Jordan's doesn't have his shirt off in any pictures. Do

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Speaker 1: He's always shirtless on Instagram. He's not shirtless in the issue.

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Speaker 1: that he's toned down for this this issue, you would

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Speaker 1: number one quality is in a person when he's looking

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Speaker 1: to meet somebody, a sense of humor. I like that.

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Speaker 1: This story is wonderful. So Mariah Carey and Ariana Grande

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Speaker 1: So we're inching closer and closer towards the holiday season.

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Speaker 1: When you think Christmas, come on after Santa, you think

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carey, we have to. She's got a new holiday

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Speaker 1: be fun. It airs on December four on Apple TV. Also,

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Speaker 1: two guest stars include Tiffany Haddish, also to her two

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Speaker 1: for a Mariah Ariana Christmas duet? Mark Rob, I cannot

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Speaker 1: think of a better holiday duet than Ariana Grande m

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Speaker 1: Maria carry. It's the ultimate ultimate diva, silent night holiday tune.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, it's so much fun. They're going to

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Speaker 1: Like the two of them maybe are the greatest singers

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Speaker 1: think it might be Ariana. Oh my goodness, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to upset the labs. Let's move along quickly, Mark, what

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Speaker 1: are you think? What are you working up? Rather? This

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Speaker 1: The article that Naomi shared it's from the Things The Things,

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Speaker 1: And I love her too. For me, and this is

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Speaker 1: going to sound shocking, they're the same person. They're both dominant,

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Speaker 1: they're both strong, they're both powerful. And I say that

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Speaker 1: And that's what really made me excited about them. And

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Speaker 1: I think in life we do like to pick people

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Speaker 1: people of color. I do understand why this happened. But

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Speaker 1: I think there's room for both of them. I think

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Speaker 1: they both have extraordinary careers. Naomi is still on the

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Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any big problem here. I mean,

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