1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Welcome got new Yeah, just when they go away up 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: they pull me back, all right. Labor Day edition of 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Pinstripe Territory. Welcome back everybody, and welcome back to Max 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Goodman making his debut on Pinstripe Territory. Been on Nyy 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: recaps a bunch of times, Max, Happy Labor Day. How 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: you doing. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Good to see you. How are things 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: with the the new look for you? So far? 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: It was a lot of work, but it seems to 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: be going well. I love having you know, the uh, 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the fresh look, which you know, I'd been looking for 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: a reason to give it kind of a fresh, you know, 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: coat of paint for a while, and so I feel 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: pretty good about it. And obviously, you know, working with 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: Scott and a J and Cratzy and all that stuff 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: is fun. So uh, let's let's get right to it, 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people that were kind of surprised, 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: caught off guard yesterday that Jason Dominguez was not part 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: of the September call ups last year. On September first, 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: he made his debut hit, a home run off of Erlander, 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: set the worlds at the City on fire for about 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,639 Speaker 1: a week and then he went down with an injury 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: and broke all of our hearts. Now he's ready, he's healthy, 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: he's mashing in the minor leagues, and Alex Ridugo is 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: hitting two thirty two. I believe it's clear to me that, 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, what I saw from Dominguez is more promising 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: than what we see from Verdugo. Though we did have 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: a couple of hits yesterday. What was your reaction and 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: sort of the general reaction among the writers, It seemed 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: like a few people were kind of surprised that the 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Yankees are sticking with Verdugo there. 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: Well, that was something that I'm sure I'm not alone, 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: but I had a story already written and ready to 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: go that he was one of the guys coming back up. Obviously, Rizzo, 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: we knew that that was going to happen, and I 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: think that f Ross and Maronaccio was my intuition as 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: well in terms of the bullpen ads. But yeah, seeing 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: Duke Ellis on there was definitely a surprise. It's definitely 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: deeper than just it was going to be a guarantee 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: with Domingez, because the Yankees do really like Verdugo as 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: much as his numbers are pretty grotesque, quite frankly. I mean, 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: it's been a dastrous walk year for him, or you're 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: going into free agency. His numbers over this entire summer, 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: he's been one of the worst hitters in Major League Baseball, 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: and that's not hyperbole or anything like that. Also, in 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: left field for the Yankees, he was supposed to be 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: the solution to what's been years of issues. Right before 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: we went live, I was I was going back to 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty until right now, and the Yankees are bottom six. 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: I think it was in ops at that position, so 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: this is something that they're used to dealing with. And 52 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 2: as much as Verdugo is a great defender out there, 53 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: I know that that one player in Baltimore is going 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: to stick in your mind as to how he's played 55 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: this entire season. But he has been elite. He makes 56 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: a lot of great running catches, and his arm has 57 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: been plused out there. So I think he's definitely trust 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: him more than a Dominguez in terms of coming up 59 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: and playing good defense. But offensively, the ceiling for Jason 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: is obviously much higher. And my take on it too 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: is if you're gonna have Dominguez play at any point 62 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: this year leading into October. The earlier the better. You 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: want to give him more time to get acclimated again 64 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: with big league pitching, because now it's been over a 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: year and him coming up for one day and that 66 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: Williamsport game to face Scooble was was basically a wash. 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he was one of the guys on the forty. 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: It made sense. Scranton's pretty close to there, So that's 69 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: kind of a throwaway promotion when you think of the 70 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: long term picture here, and I would be very surprised 71 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: if he doesn't come up at all this season. I 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: wonder if it's the you know, service time thing they 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: want to wait a little bit longer. But the bottom 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: line is, once you bring Dimingez up, he's going to 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: play every single day, and at that point, Verdugo doesn't 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: really fit into the playing time picture. And I wonder 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: if the Yankees will lose Verdugo in a sense where 78 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: he has that boisterous personality and when he's going well, 79 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: he's gonna flip his bat and everything, but we've seen 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: him really wearing those struggles. And if he effectively gets 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: benched for someone that's that much younger than him and 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: he doesn't have a chance to maybe turn his his 83 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: walk you around, like with what we've seen Glabor do recently. 84 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: I don't know how he's going to react to something 85 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: like that. 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, attitude. Attitude could be an issue there. Yeah, 87 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be benched right before I become 88 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: a free agent and you got a chance. I mean 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: with a hot postseason. I guess he's he's thinking along 90 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: those lines, maybe I can get a contract or whatever. 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: But you know, Dimingez, he's a switch hitter, so he's 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: got that over Verdugo, like he's not completely neutralized by lefties. Honestly, 93 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, Verdugo is a good outfield there. I think 94 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Dimingez will be I know he had a tough day 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: in that, you know, the little league game or whatever. 96 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be fine out there. I've seen 97 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: him make a number of really good plays in the outfield, 98 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: so I was a little I was a little shocked. 99 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: I do think it's better for him to keep getting 100 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: regular at bats. Right you don't want him to come 101 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: up and sit the bench. So this is better than 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: the alternative. I think the worst situation would be to 103 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: do what they did with guys like Piazza, where you 104 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: call him up and sit him on the bench. You know, 105 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: that's the worst. So at least he's getting more at 106 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: bats and you hope that when he comes up he 107 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: gets a chance. But I'm just not sure that the 108 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: Yankees are gonna have the cojones to sit Alex Verdugo 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: this late into his contract year. But we do have 110 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: some other young youth that's been promising that I want 111 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: to talk about. So Rookie of the Year, Yankees are 112 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: no stranger to this. Judge was the rookie of the year. 113 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: They had the number two spot a couple of times. 114 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I believe Gary Sanchez was number two. I believe Miguel 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: and Duhar was number two, and obviously Jeter one, so 116 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: we got a shot. Colton Cows has been kind of 117 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: the favorite all year long, but Austin Wells recently overtook 118 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: him in war for the whole season, and he doesn't 119 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: play as much because he's a catcher. And then you've 120 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: got Louis Heal who's had a really really solid year. 121 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: The back injury and sort of the dip recently might 122 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: might kind of hurt him in his you know, potential 123 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: votes but I think both these guys I wouldn't be 124 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: shocked if either one of them edged out and won 125 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. 126 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, Well, I got to dig into 127 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: the numbers a little bit more before I definitively say, 128 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's going to be Wells. For instance, 129 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: I know that Will you're a bray you with the 130 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 2: Red Sox is also having a pretty solid year, and 131 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: some of its numbers offensively are better than Wells and Kowser, 132 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: I think. But He's played even more games, I believe, 133 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: or at least more than Wells. But you know, yeah, 134 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: recency bias would suggest that Wells is climbing up that 135 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: leader board pretty fast. I mean the fact that he's 136 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: really solidified himself as a threat in the middle of 137 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: the Yankees lineup, hitting right behind Judge. You know, I 138 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: don't think he's had as much success when teams have 139 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: pitched around Judge in big spots, But just the overall 140 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: eye test is that he's been doing just a tremendous job. 141 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm pretty you know, pleased with what I've seen from 142 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: him in terms of his defense too, and that's a 143 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: little bit under the radar. His arm isn't as strong 144 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: is maybe you'd like, and that's something that he can 145 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: improve as he goes forward. But the framing numbers are tremendous. 146 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: I think he hasn't been as much of an issue 147 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: back there when you bring Gary Sanchez up, like, it 148 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: isn't as detrimental to him as you thought it was 149 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: when he was coming up as a prospect. And yeah, 150 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: the offense has been spectacular, right, I mean, he's playing 151 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: pretty much every day right now too, and really shoring 152 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: up a spot that was such a black hole for 153 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: this team for a while. So you know, I out 154 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: of the two of them, I guess maybe Wells would 155 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: have a better case, but heel has been great too, right, 156 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: I Mean there were some stretches where he was not 157 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: just the best rookie but one of the best pitchers 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: in all of baseball. That's a pretty long time ago now, 159 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: and we got to see how he finishes off the 160 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: season and how he fits with the rotation and limiting 161 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: the command issues. Because the walks, I think he's right 162 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 2: up there in terms of leading the league in walks, 163 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: So that's certainly a black eye on his case. But 164 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, in the AL I think He's been probably 165 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: the best rookie pitcher, right. I mean, there are a 166 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: few that are much better than him metrically, and you know, 167 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: surface level number wise in terms of the National League 168 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: with Emanaga and schemes and so on. But you know, yeah, 169 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: the Yankees have have two cases there, and depending on 170 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: when they bring Dimiga's up, he could make a case 171 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: for next Yeah. 172 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: You know, I always felt like with the Rookie of 173 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: the Year there's a little bit of recency bias, so 174 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: guys who finished stronger seem to get like more votes 175 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: or at least more consideration in all the you know, 176 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: the you know MLB network talk and all that stuff 177 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: that happens is leading up to the award announcements. But 178 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, you can't throw out what Luis Heal did 179 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: the first part of this year. I believe he was 180 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: ten and one with an ERA around two at one point, 181 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: and that was during a time when the Yankees didn't 182 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: have Garrett Cole And if it weren't for that, they're 183 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: probably five games out in the division. If he didn't, 184 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, if he pitched like an average pitcher, he 185 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: was exemplary and I think that I think he deserves 186 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: top three for sure, Wells and Cowser is gonna be interesting. 187 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: You know, it works the other way for Wells, right 188 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: recency bias. He's gotten better as the season's gone along. 189 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: He didn't get off to a good start, but he's 190 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: finishing strong and he might have a big September. The 191 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: way he's swinging the bat. His swing to me, I 192 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: don't know how much you know, how far into the 193 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: past you've watched Yankee baseball, but he has got that 194 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: classic lefty swing that we've seen from so many guys, right, 195 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you can just see him. He's almost got 196 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: a Gambie kind of swing path. Do you see that 197 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: at all? 198 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: I do? Yeah, It's it's really Taylor made. I mean, 199 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: I know we throw that phrase Taylor made for Yankee 200 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: Stadium out there with every lefty that has popped basically 201 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: with you know, jass Chisholm kind of fits in that 202 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 2: same category two with the way yeah at Yankee Stadium 203 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: so far, but absolutely, and I think that goes all 204 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: the way back to the scouting department, right, I mean 205 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: they drafted him to wreak havoc in the lefty batter's 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: box in the Bronx and I think it's it's validation 207 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: for the Yankees so far. And you ask anybody in 208 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: that clubhouse and they will speak so highly of Wells. 209 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: And he's got some dance moves too. 210 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: So I actually haven't watched the Tiktoks that I know. 211 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: I know, I just hate TikTok so much. I just don't. 212 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: But I got people for that. I got people for that. 213 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: They can tell me about it. But uh, all right, 214 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: let's talk about the bullpen a little bit, because they 215 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: had an awful day yesterday. And if there's one thing 216 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: that typically drives a championship team, it's a strong bullpen. 217 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: You go back to the Yankees dynasty. You know, obviously 218 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: Rivera holding things down, but they also had some really 219 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: good setup men, you know, Jeff Nelson, Mike Stanton all 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: those years. And then you go back to the two 221 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: thousand and nine run, all the great you know, big 222 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: outs that were picked up by Demaso, Marsei Marte and 223 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: Phil Hughes along the way, and I just don't know 224 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: if this pen has what it takes to cut through October. 225 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: That's like to me, with all the talk about the 226 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: offense and all the talk about well runners in scoring 227 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: position and YadA, YadA, YadA, and in the rotation. To me, 228 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: it's the bullpen that's the biggest red flag. What are 229 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Yankee bullpen? Who we got coming back? 230 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: What's the timeline for these guys, and do you see 231 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: any kind of rearrangement here as we move into October. 232 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: Well, first off, I totally agree with you. I think 233 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: that if anything could really hold this team back in October, 234 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: I think it's the bullpen. And it's hard to really trust, 235 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: you know, if I'm a fan in the stands and 236 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: I see anyone other than Luke Weaver. Jake Cousins has 237 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: been great, and Tommy Kinley other than yesterday, he's been 238 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: He's really solid since the All Star break. And quite frankly, 239 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: Clay Holmes has under the radar, really settled into a 240 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: groove here and he's much better I've found in his 241 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: splits in the beginning of the season, in the very 242 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: end of the season, over the summer is when he's 243 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: had struggles. So you know, let's see if he can, 244 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: you know, be an anchor in the back going into October. 245 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: But other than those four, really Yankees don't have that 246 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: many trustworthy guys back there. Maybe Tim Hill, but he's 247 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: not necessarily, you know, a leverage arm. I think they 248 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: would they would pick a lane specifically for him. With 249 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: a lot of lefties. He's going to pitch to contact. 250 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: He's certainly not a strikeout guy. So I'll go back 251 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: to the trade deadline, right. I mean, Mark Lighter Junior 252 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: has not pitched well so far, and Gosh, Eniel de 253 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: los Santos was a dud as well, so you know, 254 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: they had an opportunity to add a little bit more. 255 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: Both of those two trades were, you know, that second 256 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: tier man. I think right before the deadline we were 257 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: talking about how it didn't seem like they were going 258 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: to go out and get that Tanner Scott, the top 259 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: guy on the market. They were going to shoot a 260 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: little bit lower than that. And both of those deals 261 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: just just haven't exactly worked out so far. I do 262 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: think Lighter could pitch a little bit better down the stretch, 263 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: and that's someone that you know, if you look at 264 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: some of the metrics, he was really good early on 265 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: with the Cubs, and his era was a little higher 266 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: than it should have been, and so far he's just 267 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: been getting burned with a lot of slug So if 268 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: he's able to get into better counts with his splitter, 269 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: which is one of the best swing and miss pitches 270 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: in all of baseball, then maybe he can start to 271 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: be a you know, a seventh inning guy or something 272 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: like that. But he's got to prove that to a 273 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: lot of us, obviously. So when it comes to who's 274 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: coming back, I mean, Scott Efross was a name that 275 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: fans have been clamoring for, and gosh, his outing was 276 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: a disaster. Yeah, batted balls over one hundred miles an hour. 277 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: And you know, it's nice for him because that was 278 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: almost two years since his last outing, coming back from 279 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: Tommy John coming back from back surgery. So I do 280 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 2: think he might fit if he's able to figure things out, 281 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: just because of the deceptive look that he has, and 282 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: nobody else in the Yankees bullpen throws from that slot. 283 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,599 Speaker 2: From the right side, it's a little more similar to 284 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: Tim Hill. So at his best he can certainly help them. 285 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: And he's better against lefties, I think in his career, 286 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: so that helps considering they only have only one other 287 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: lefty because Tim Mays is not going to stick around. 288 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: I think Phil Bickford's going to get designated first. I'm 289 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: in any day now. And Ian Hamilton before his injury 290 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: wasn't great. He regressed quite a bit from what he 291 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: did last year, so he's a little bit of a 292 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: question mark for me. I don't think you can really 293 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: count on Luke Trevino either, because of how far he's 294 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: come back since the Tommy John surgery. And you know, 295 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: when you and I were messaging, you brought up Bertie 296 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: Nick Birdie is a name that hasn't been mentioned at 297 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: all for quite an extended stretch in terms of, you know, 298 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: when we get injury updates and that kind of thing. 299 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: So he's just available in Triple A. But I'm not 300 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: sure if they would bring him up either. So there 301 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: will be some turnover down the stretch. But other than 302 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: those four guys that I led with, you know, Lighter's 303 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: got to pitch better. E Fross has to figure things out. 304 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if they would roll with Aron Marnaccio. 305 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: He's had a pretty good year but really hasn't stuck 306 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: at either level. He's just been going back and forth 307 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: a lot. They've been using his options and then last 308 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: thing and we're going to get into the rotation but 309 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: there's got to be you know, maybe a Nester in 310 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: there or a long and I think Louis Heile would 311 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: be great and leverage, but not with his command, right, I. 312 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: Mean, walks are the issue there. 313 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna walk guys in a big spot and 314 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: then you're gonna lose a game that way. So you know, 315 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: they could have brought in some more guys that get 316 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: strikeouts that you can count on. But the price for 317 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: relievers this year was exorbitant. It was really high, so 318 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: you know, you can't blame him for that. But also 319 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: it's a it's a win now team. You know, maybe 320 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: they'll end up regretting it. 321 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping they would pick up Kopek. 322 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: He's been great with the Dodgers. He's done a really 323 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: nice job. You know. Obviously Tanner Scott got moved. The 324 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: price for him would have been like Spencer Jones and 325 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Roderick Arius, plus if you look at like comparable prospects, 326 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: maybe even a Domingez. So I don't think I would 327 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: have pulled the trigger on that. 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So as you 362 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: think about it right now, let's just assume Clark Schmidt 363 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: comes back on schedule in the next you know, let's 364 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: say ten days or so, and he gets a couple 365 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: of starts and he's and he's good. Is he in 366 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: your rote? Does he go to the pen? He could 367 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: be an excellent relief pitcher. Uh, how you line it up? 368 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: Your rotation. I'm sure it depends a little bit on 369 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: who you play. So I'll just hypothetically say, you know, 370 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: the wild card right now is Orioles, and I believe 371 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: the Royals, right So let's just say the Orioles win. 372 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: Let's say we're playing the Orioles in the Alds. Who's 373 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: your four man rotation? Who goes to the pen? 374 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Oh, it's tough, you know. I I was trying to 375 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: prep a little bit for this. I think it would 376 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: be Cole Rodon, Heel, Schmidt. Again, like I mentioned earlier, 377 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: I think that Heel and honestly Schmidt as well, would 378 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 2: would fit in a bullpen roll. But maybe you just 379 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: stick Nestor back there in like a long man Bridge 380 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: type of role where if your starter is only going 381 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: to go three innings, you could have Nestor come in. 382 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: And he's just such a different pitcher than any of 383 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: those four. Closer to Rodna obviously, Rodnna is the highest 384 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: era of the bunch, I think if you include Roman two, 385 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: but I don't think he's going anywhere the money that 386 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: he's making, and when he's at his best, he really 387 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: is a one B behind Garrett, and we've seen that 388 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: a little bit this summer. He's just he's got a 389 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: couple weeks to get back to that level. Obviously, Garrett's 390 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: not coming out of the rotation. And then what we're 391 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: seeing on the IL with Heel and Schmid is that 392 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: those guys are being built up as starters. 393 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: Right. 394 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: It would have been pretty telling if He'll only threw, 395 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: you know, thirty forty pitches in a rehab outing when 396 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: he had been throwing and it was going to be 397 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: a short stint for him. Same with Schmidt. I mean 398 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: he's ramping up. You know, we'll see how many pitches 399 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: he throws today. I think he's making another rehab outing 400 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: this evening that double station, Right, that's a situation where 401 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: you know, I was trying to map out the schedule, 402 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: and that's why I asked Aaron Boone yesterday if Nester's 403 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: going to make his next start, because with the off 404 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: day on Thursday, he'll threw on the same day as Nestor, 405 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: so Hell could have been going on extra rest in 406 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: that Chicago series on Friday and then Schmidt would have 407 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: gone on Sat. And that's assuming that both of them 408 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: are cleared and ready to go. It's a situation where 409 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: Boone has continuously said, you know, we'll see, We're going 410 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: to cross that bridge when we get to it. So 411 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: they obviously have some sort of plan and a preference, 412 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: but they're not going to reveal that just yet because 413 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: you know, who knows if something happens, if you hit 414 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: a snag in your rehab. And same thing with the 415 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: postseason rotation too, right. I mean, if they have six guys, 416 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: it's a good problem to have that you have to 417 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: whittle that down to four. But they're not going to 418 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 2: reveal those plans until you get much closer to them. 419 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: So as frustrating as that is, I know, you know, 420 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: you out there watching, you want to find out who 421 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: that's going to be. You could go either way with it. 422 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 2: And you know how the Yankees like the righty lefty 423 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: in their lineup. I think they could do the same 424 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: thing and maybe put Nestor in there if he continues 425 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: to pitch well. Obviously yesterday was a step in the 426 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: wrong direction, but before that he had been dominant and 427 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: you know, really hitting that swing and miss stuff, messing 428 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: with timing. That's peak Nestor what he had done the 429 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: previous three outings. So I don't know what they're going 430 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: to do. I mean, what would you if you had 431 00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: to pick. 432 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: For I would go Cole obviously number one. I'd go 433 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: Schmidt number two because to me, he's the most reliable 434 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: to give you five good innings, right. I don't think 435 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna give you seven and one earned run most 436 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: of the time, but he keeps you in the game 437 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: almost every time for five innings, which is what you 438 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: need in the playoffs. You know what Brandon Fott did 439 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: last year with the Diamondbacks. You know, just giving you 440 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: a quality start every time is huge. I go Rodn 441 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: number three, which scares me because number three in a 442 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: playoff series is huge. You know, remember David Cone in 443 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: ninety six coming back from that shoulder surgery, you know. 444 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: And then I think one of the series you had 445 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: Kenny Rodgers in the number three spot. It was like, 446 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: oh God. But I would go Stroman number four because 447 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: I think Stroman his stuff when he's on, he's a 448 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: ground ball machine. I don't want to get beat by 449 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: the home run in the playoffs. And then Heel and 450 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: Nestor I think could both move to the pen. Nestor 451 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: becomes a reliable lefty that can get you an inning 452 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: or two, and he'll could be a high leverage but 453 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: not closer level like maybe seventh inning you got a 454 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: two run lead. I feel like he's not gonna give 455 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: up a lot of home runs. And if you just 456 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: tell him, go in there and strike guys out right, 457 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: go in there and blow guys away. Don't worry about pitching, 458 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: don't worry about nibbling, you know, just go in there 459 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: and high octane stuff. I think that his fastball is 460 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: good enough that even if he gives up contact, he's 461 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: not gonna give up a lot of hard contact. Right, 462 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: He's not going to give up home runs. He might 463 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: give up a couple of hits, or he might walk somebody. 464 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: But I feel like you could put him in the 465 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: seventh inning and he would be effective enough. Right, he 466 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: might have one game where he implodes or whatever, but 467 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: I would put my chips on him in the bullpen. 468 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: So that's where Cole Schmidt Rodin Stroman would be my four. 469 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: Then again, though, I mean, when heel has been at 470 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: his best, he's able to go six, seven innings and 471 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: strike out twelve, and you're not gonna really get that 472 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: from anybody else other than a coal So in a 473 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: sense you might want heel as your second starter, and I. 474 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: Can see that. But then again, I mean, like you said, 475 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: that was a long time ago, right, it was early 476 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: on in the seat, since he was doing that consistently. 477 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Once he added the slider or change the grip on 478 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: the slider midsummer, he had a nice little hot streak. 479 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: If he comes back and he's doing that, then yeah, 480 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: I think I think they'll probably stick with him, you know, 481 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: in the rotation. But it's just got to be an 482 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: interesting call this year. Man. I'm really looking forward to 483 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: seeing what they do and the rotation. 484 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: Also, Stroman, I don't really know you had him as 485 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: your four. In my situation, I think he doesn't even 486 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: make the roster recause I don't I don't know how 487 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: he would come out of the pen. You know, he's 488 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: not a reliever necessarily with his stuff that he has. 489 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean, unless it's totally a punt game where your 490 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: starter gets rocked the first couple innings and you want 491 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: him to just eat the entire middle innings and just 492 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: pitch to contact, because when he's not at his best, 493 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: I mean, he's even when he's pitching, well, he's grinding through, 494 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 2: you know, and the least is going to be so 495 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: much shorter in those postseason starts. I wonder if they 496 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: needed to go out and get another starter, right, I mean, 497 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: the same thing that we talked about with the bullpen. 498 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: They're best four here, you're counting on Schmidt and heel 499 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: coming back from these injuries. And as much as Stroman 500 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: I think has pitched to what maybe the fan expectation was, 501 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: you know, the back of his baseball card over the 502 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: entire season as a whole, I don't know. Is he 503 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: someone that you would really want to pitch in a 504 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: game six or something like that. 505 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: So Stroman The reason I would go with Stroman is 506 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: there's two reasons. One experience. He's He's been pitching a 507 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: long time. So I feel like he's one of those 508 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: guys that you know, if he doesn't have his stuff, 509 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: he might walk the ballpark, he might allow eleven runs. 510 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: I feel like in a playoff game, if Stroman doesn't 511 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: have his best stuff, like you said, he'll grind and 512 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: he'll figure out a way. Even if it's like I'm 513 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: gonna throw fifteen straight curveballs or fifteen straight sliders, like 514 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: I feel like he would make that adjustment he would 515 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: be able to understand I got one pitch working or 516 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: the UMP's not giving me this. Like from an intellectual standpoint, 517 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: I think Stroman's a very smart pitcher, and I like 518 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: that he the ball on the ground, So I think 519 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: I would I would just gamble that he'll give you 520 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: a quality start, Like I don't think he's gonna give 521 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: you seven shutout innings, but if he can give you 522 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: six and three runs and then you hope you get 523 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of offense that day. So 524 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: that's that's my thought on on Stroman and Heal. Like 525 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: you said, uh, coming back, I gotta see it, right, 526 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: I gotta see him like coming back from this injury. 527 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: I want to see him do it a couple of 528 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: times before I feel comfortable running him out there right. So, 529 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen him out of the bullpen either, 530 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: so the same same goes for that, so it'll probably 531 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: be heal. I'm just you know, fantasy baseball, if I'm 532 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: playing OTP or MLB, the show heel in the seventh 533 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: nester for tough lefties. Uh. And that's the way I rock, 534 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: let's talk, let's no go ahead. I was gonna say, 535 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: let's talk talk about the AL East because we're we 536 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: got twenty five games left. Orioles are winning right now, 537 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be tied with the with the Orioles 538 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: in about five minutes. So do you think the Yanks 539 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: have what it takes to win this AL East title? 540 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: It's interesting because they've played so much better against good teams, 541 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: the Yankees, that is, and they've played down to a 542 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: lot of lesser competition. I mean, you just look at 543 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 2: their schedule in August. It was a situation where they 544 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: could have totally run away with things and really built 545 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: a cushion. But they didn't sweep a single team. They 546 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: played a rubber match in every single series, nine series, 547 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: and you know, not capitalizing on those opportunities, and they 548 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: lost series to Detroit, to Washington, to the Cardinals. You know, 549 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: those are teams that you want to beat up on 550 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: and you know, move forward. You could look at this 551 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: from either vantage point, right with Baltimore or the Yankees. 552 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: Both clubs have really not capitalized on a chance to 553 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: run away with this thing. You know, I think you 554 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: can make a case that either of them should be 555 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: five seven games up in the division. I mean, the 556 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: Yankees have been playing five hundred balls since June first, 557 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 2: they're thirty nine thirty nine, And it gets even worse 558 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: than that record if you go to June seventh or 559 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: whatever it is, because they won their first couple of 560 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: games there, and then from that Dodger series on, it 561 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: started to get you know, really bad for them over 562 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: the summer. So who do I think is going to 563 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: win the division? Reverse psychology? I think the Yankees will 564 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: play better, as much as their schedule down the road 565 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: is much tougher than Baltimore. I haven't checked what the 566 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: updated like strength of schedule is for both of those teams, 567 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: but I think Baltimore has a much easier road. So 568 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: maybe the Yankees as they continue to get healthy, you 569 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: bring Rizzo back, You've got Hamilton on the way, both 570 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: those starters that we were talking about. John Birdie is 571 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: going to find his way back onto the roster too. 572 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: You know, they're kind of collecting those Infinity stones and 573 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: getting ready to roll down the stretch. But who knows, right, 574 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 2: I mean, somebody important could get hurt in a week 575 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: or two and it totally changes the trajectory of how 576 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: they're playing. So the bottom line is they've got to 577 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: beat up on the bad teams that they're playing in September. 578 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: You go to Oakland, you got to at least win 579 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: that series, if not sweep. But they're also playing some 580 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: teams that are really hungry right now, that are fighting 581 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: for their lives, like the Cubs. I think the Rangers 582 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: are pretty much out of it at this point right 583 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: but they're back in the West. The Mariners are hanging on, 584 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: and I'm blanking on a couple other teams that they play. 585 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: But obviously that series against the Orioles at the very 586 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: end of September might decide the division. Maybe not you know, literally, 587 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: but I think it'll be very important leading into that 588 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: final series against Pittsburgh. You want to be playing your 589 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: best baseball here in that last month. I do think 590 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: the Yankees can do it, but they've also got to 591 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: get lucky with the Orioles still continuing to hit snags. 592 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: I mean, their bullpen is even more of a liability 593 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: than the Yankees, and their offense hasn't been as you know, 594 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: as much firepower as I think we all thought it 595 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: was going to be, So it might end up being 596 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: you know, a toss up at the very very end, 597 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: which is exciting. But obviously not what the Yankees or 598 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: Baltimore would have wanted. 599 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, that final series in the Bronx 600 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: between the Yankees and the Orioles is gonna be a 601 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: hot ticket and you're probably gonna be covering it, right, 602 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: You're gonna be there in the ballpark. 603 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah. I mean, we'll see where where Judge is at. 604 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: He's cooled down quite a bit over this last week 605 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: in terms of the home run base. I was kind 606 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: of thinking he might be, you know, over sixty at 607 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: that point going into the home stand there. But either way, 608 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I think as much as fans hate it 609 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: when when Aaron Boone says it that the Yankees kind 610 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: of hold the pen, right, they are in a position 611 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: here with one month left, if they play good baseball, 612 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: they'll win the division. 613 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: Right, It's all right there in front. 614 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: Of us, exactly. Yeah. I think we're doing a couple 615 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: more of those. 616 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna go ahead and and 617 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: give my nostra Derek prediction. Right now, Yanks are gonna 618 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: win the Al East. They're gonna reclaim And I'm saying 619 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: that I'm a little biased, I'll admit, but I just 620 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: feel like I feel like it's coming. I feel like 621 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: they're making it interesting, they're stressing us out, but ultimately 622 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: they will get it done. Max Goodman, appreciate it. We'll 623 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: have you back on here as we approach the postseason 624 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: and obviously in October. Hopefully it's a long October and 625 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: we've got multiple series to preview and recap, and we'll 626 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: see we'll see you then. Thanks. 627 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: Max, sounds good, have a good one. Good to see you. 628 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Everybody. 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