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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous, young missing mom

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Speaker 1: of four's Chevy Avalanche just found on a remote and

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Speaker 1: hilly county road. Where is Nicki? A Nancy Grace? This

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: A California mom of four missing, her truck found abandoned

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Speaker 2: in a different county. Where is Niki Chang Sale McCain.

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Speaker 1: How does a gorgeous young mom like Niki seemingly vanish

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Speaker 1: into thin air? Why is her Chevy avalanche found along

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Speaker 1: a hilly and remote county road there in Shasta County. Now,

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Speaker 1: if she were gone and her avalanche was also gone,

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Speaker 1: that would make more sense than her being separated from

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Speaker 1: her car from her truck. A Chevy avalanche, that's not

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Speaker 1: making sense. And why would it be parked left out

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Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been even if she had been there

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Speaker 1: for some reason to or fro in transit. Why would

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Speaker 1: she get out of her Chevy Avalanche? And what disappear

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Speaker 1: out into the hills that did not happen? Where is Niki?

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Speaker 1: And this is not just about Niki change, as her

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Speaker 1: family calls her, This is about her four children as well,

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Speaker 1: one as young as seven years old. What about them?

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Speaker 1: Who's taking care of them? Who's explaining, Yeah, mommy's not

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Speaker 1: home again tonight. Mommy's not home again tonight. But hey,

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Speaker 1: here's a Chevy avalanche again. This is crime Stories. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about the slow mo the slow motion

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Speaker 1: search for Niki, because we all know that ours count

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Speaker 1: when someone goes missing. Look at her? Where is she?

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Speaker 1: If you have information on missing NICKI tipline five three

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Speaker 1: zero two four five six y five four zero repeat

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Speaker 1: five three zero two four five six ' five for zero,

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Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel, And I want to

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Speaker 1: reiterate there was a ten thousand dollar reward for information

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Speaker 1: leading to Nikki's whereabouts ten thousand dollars, as I said,

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Speaker 1: an all star panel. To make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now, including her two lookalike sisters, the spitting

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Speaker 1: image of Nikki.

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Speaker 3: But first listen to this Nicky sale. McCain sends a

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Speaker 3: text message to her sister just after midnight on May eighteenth,

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Speaker 3: saying she's driving Tyler McCain's mother's vehicle back to his

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Speaker 3: mother's home near the wind River Casino. When Nikki doesn't

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Speaker 3: respond to text from her family later that morning at

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Speaker 3: seven am and eight am, the family is concerned. The

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Speaker 3: family immediately begins looking for Nicki and her Chevrolet Avalanche truck.

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Speaker 3: Nicki has four children and would never have left them

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Speaker 3: without notice, and an official missing person report is filed

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Speaker 3: with Shasta counting well.

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Speaker 1: The family wasted no time in reporting her missing. That's

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Speaker 1: the bright spot so far. Please join us in our

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Speaker 1: search for Nikki. Chaine Sale McCain, I want to first

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Speaker 1: go out to Nicki's sisters joining us, Chloe and Kay.

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Speaker 4: First to Chloe.

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Speaker 1: Chloe, tell me about when you first learned your sister.

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Speaker 1: The three of you are very very close. Well, was

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Speaker 1: not answering phone calls or texts.

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Speaker 5: You know, At first I was like, okay, this is normal.

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Speaker 5: What's really early for a text message? Maybe she's still sleeping.

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Speaker 5: But then I had noticed that they were green. If

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Speaker 5: you have an iPhone, if the text message goes through,

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Speaker 5: you know it's blue.

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Speaker 5: Noticed that text message is we're green, and so I

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Speaker 5: was thinking maybe her phone maybe was just dead. So

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Speaker 5: I didn't immediately panic, just yet.

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Speaker 1: Hold on Chloe, can you back it up one moment,

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Speaker 1: go through that one more time. I've seen that on

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Speaker 1: my phone too, where normally you send a text and

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Speaker 1: it's in a blue bubble and sometimes it's in green.

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Speaker 1: Now slow down just a moment. You said too early

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Speaker 1: in the morning. Maybe she was still asleep. But she's

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Speaker 1: not a late sleeper to my understanding. Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yes, she's not a life sleeper.

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Speaker 1: I mean with four children who can sleep late. So

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Speaker 1: you text her early in the morning, she doesn't respond,

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Speaker 1: but you say, hey, maybe maybe it's too early for

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Speaker 1: Vini says something about blue and green. Pick it up

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Speaker 5: So when it's blue, that means you have cell service

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Speaker 5: So I didn't hear from her, and we did have

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on right there, let me follow up with that.

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Speaker 1: Chloe started to interrupt. But I don't want to miss

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Speaker 1: in detail because, as we all know and our other

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Speaker 1: experts will jump in just a moment, every detail matters,

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Speaker 1: every detail, the timing matters, the location matters. Now you're

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Speaker 1: Then you realize, you know, many hours later, Hey, I

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Speaker 1: never heard back from her. This is where I want clarification.

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Speaker 1: You just assumed she had gone over to your mom's.

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Speaker 1: Did I hear that correctly?

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Speaker 4: How far away does Nicky live from your mother?

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Speaker 5: Not very far, about maybe a fifteen minute drive, not

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Speaker 1: I want to check my information, Chloe, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to bring in Kay for this is Nikki's other lookalike sister,

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Speaker 1: Chloe to get from Nikki's home to her mother's home.

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Speaker 4: Would she have to go.

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Speaker 1: Past where her vehicle where Chevy is finally located.

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Speaker 5: That's different direction.

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Speaker 1: Did your sister Nikki often go visit with your mom?

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Speaker 5: Yes, she did, so we just assume she's at my

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Speaker 5: mom's house. And then Monday rolls around, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I call my mom.

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Speaker 5: My Mom's like, no, we have not seen her. And

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Speaker 1: Wednesday, right right there, started to break in. But what

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Speaker 1: So my question is what kind of texture is Nikki?

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Speaker 5: Actually she has a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is because at this juncture, by Monday,

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Speaker 1: it's still not really a big deal that she hasn't

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Speaker 5: Yes, uh huh, but it doesn't go that long without

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Speaker 4: Gotcha, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: Listen, my sister, who I adore, has her hands full

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Speaker 1: like ten days and go, oh yeah, right, I meant

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we're okay. I was like, okay, so no

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Speaker 5: because my mom's like, oh no, I haven't seen her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you were hearing Chloe Sali, this is Nikki's lookalike sister.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm want to go to other sister, kay Ford,

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Speaker 1: Kay to both of you. Is so important that you

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Speaker 1: you've been searching, you've been putting up flyers, you've been

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Speaker 1: doing everything right. But for some reason, nobody seems to

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Speaker 1: but hey, we're here now, we're looking now for everybody

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Speaker 1: Five three zero two four five sixty five four zero

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Speaker 1: There's a ten thousand dollar reward for information leading to

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Speaker 1: Call the tip line back to kay Ford. Nikki's sister Kate.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about when you I imagine you and Chlobe

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Speaker 6: I can't find her when you know, like Chloe said,

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Speaker 7: We hadn't heard from her and everyone that we had

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Speaker 1: I understand that shortly after midnight that Niki Chang, Niki

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Speaker 4: Did you get that text?

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Speaker 6: No, this one was send directly to Chloe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chloe gets that text. Okay, Chloe, that text. That's

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Speaker 1: around midnight. She's texting with you, and I know you

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Speaker 1: and Kay and Nikki share all information extremely close. You

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Speaker 1: in law's car back to the mother in law's house. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's at midnight, and it's near the Wynn River Casino.

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Speaker 4: Is that right, Chloe?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Does anybody in the family work at the casino?

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Speaker 5: Yes, we have family members who do work at Wind

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Speaker 5: a few years before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So she had worked at a casino as.

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Speaker 5: A what she was a culture which as.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, who works at the casino now? Within your family? Oh?

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Speaker 6: No, one works at the casino. Her mother in law

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Speaker 1: Got you, okay, so nobody's working there now. The mother

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Speaker 1: Was the mother in law's vehicle actually taken to the

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Speaker 1: Something that looks like a white Chevy Tahoe. All right,

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Speaker 6: She was driving to buy herself in the vehicle by herself?

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Speaker 1: It may sound like an odd question, but Chloe, you

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody has a style of texting. My texts

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Speaker 5: Yes, it was, because right before that we were kind

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Speaker 5: She was just talking about the situation with her, the

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Speaker 1: Now, isn't it true, ladies, that after that text, no

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Speaker 2: Correct Ridding Police called on the public for help in

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Speaker 1: Niki now missing a month. Four children are asking where's mommy?

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Speaker 1: As young as seven years old. We are learning her

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Speaker 1: search for Nicki. The time delay listen. Eight days passed.

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Speaker 9: From when Nikki Chang Sale McCain was last seen by

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Speaker 9: Investigators have not said where Intohama County the two thousand

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Speaker 9: Police have also not released whether the truck was in

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is a problem.

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Speaker 1: How did she get from the mother in laws back

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Speaker 4: Did she ever get a ride?

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Speaker 1: Did she get a ride?

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Speaker 1: With who joining me? An all star pedal to make

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Speaker 1: for information that leads to the location of Niki changed

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Speaker 1: chain Uh. To Dave Matt crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: I understand that her Chevy Avalanche was found in this

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Speaker 1: How did she go from that to her Chevy being

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Speaker 1: If I could see that map again, it's completely way

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Speaker 1: Look where her Look where her avalanche was located as

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Speaker 1: it relates to her home. And the reason we've got

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Speaker 1: Dave mac Dave, what can you tell me about where

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Speaker 1: back on how critical it is to this investigation that

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, all right.

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Speaker 3: The distance is about forty five miles from the Wind

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Speaker 3: to where the vehicle was actually found. You mentioned a

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Speaker 3: rugged kind of hilly terrain. Well, it was actually a

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Speaker 3: my understanding is that the vehicle was actually pulled around

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Speaker 1: Owned by the family. We don't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: She was supposed to be picked up by somebody and

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Speaker 1: Now I could understand. Let's just pretend, okay, let's pretend

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Speaker 1: this is a real flight of fancy. Let's just pretend

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Speaker 1: she ran out of gas or head car trouble, flat tire.

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Speaker 1: Why would she pull her vehicle, her avalanche, up under

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Speaker 4: There is no reason she wouldn't be under there.

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Speaker 1: Somebody stashed her car under that overpass. Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: addition to Dave mac Ted Tobias joining us out of DC,

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Speaker 1: former Assistant US Attorney in DC and author of Nobody

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Speaker 1: Homicide Cases, A practical guide to investigating, prosecuting, and winning

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Speaker 1: cases when the victim is missing. Also with me, Brian Fitzgibbons,

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Speaker 1: director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, who leads a

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Speaker 1: to you, Ted Debias joining us out of DC. Ted,

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Speaker 1: that vehicle, the Chevy Avalanche, must be coned carefully and

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Speaker 4: We can't screw this up. What should be done or should.

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Speaker 1: Be being done right now with that avalanche.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy, you're going to want your crime scene folks

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Speaker 10: to scrub this thing like never before. You're looking for DNA,

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Speaker 10: check and see does this have a GPS. A lot

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Dad, when you stay, it's got to be you said, scrubbed.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be processed with the fine tooth com

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Speaker 1: And this is where I have found evidence in the past,

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Speaker 1: His DNA was found elsewhere. But that said, it's very

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Speaker 1: I've seen cases rise and fall on let me just say, sloppy,

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Speaker 1: I seeing a handicap sticker on her tag?

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Speaker 6: So it had not been registered to them yet.

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Speaker 4: A handicapped sticker for what?

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Speaker 6: Who's handing the previous owners? So this vehicle was not

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Speaker 1: Okay? So how long had they had the Chevy?

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Speaker 1: Two weeks before she went missing. Gotcha, Okay, could be important.

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Speaker 1: It will confuse getting fingerprints because there's going to be

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Nancy, that is actually really important information that

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Speaker 8: So according to Tahama County Sheriff's bulletin, which in some

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Speaker 8: So I think it's important to note that that jumped

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Speaker 2: An abandoned truck in a different county. Missed phone calls

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Speaker 1: Mom?

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Speaker 2: Nikki Chang Saley McCain.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we're between the rock and a hard spot,

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. First of all, the sisters

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Speaker 1: It was her. She was dropping off her mother in

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Speaker 1: supposed to take Nikki from that location home that said

442
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: that's that night, then it's Monday, then Tuesday, before they realize, hey,

443
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: she never takes it back. She's not at mom's house.

444
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: So we've lost at least three, if not four days.

445
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: That is critical. Brian Fitzgibbons joining us Director Operations USPA

446
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: Nationwide Security.

447
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 4: Every hour, every.

448
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: Hour, just let's say she's in a car sixty me

449
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: mph every hour, she's sixty miles further away. If anyone

450
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: has and I pray to God this is not true,

451
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: killed her. Every hour hurts the investigation. It hurts in

452
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: the discovery of the body. It hurts as to whether

453
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: the body is in subject to animal activity, as it

454
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: is euphemistically called. Every hour makes this more difficult in

455
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: finding Nikki.

456
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 11: Agree, disagree, totally agree, And the vehicle being found forty

457
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 11: miles to the south, separating that from from Nicky's residents

458
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 11: and family homes definitely makes this challenging as well spreads

459
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 11: out the search area quite a bit.

460
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 10: The other thing that you're dealing with here, Nancy, is

461
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 10: the ranch area.

462
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 8: So a rancherreer, for those who aren't familiar with it,

463
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 8: is effectively a small Native American reservation. So you have

464
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 8: tribal lands in the middle of this missing person search,

465
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 8: which at a minimum complicates access for volunteer search parties

466
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 8: in the like. So you lump that onto a very

467
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 8: vast search area, remote terrain, and then issues with access.

468
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 8: This is a very challenging search for Nicki.

469
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: You are so right. We are calling on you, the public,

470
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: to help find Niki. Take a listen to this another

471
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: fly in the ointment.

472
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 9: The search for Niki Sale McCain continues, extending now onto

473
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 9: tribal land. The Wind River Casino granted permission for family,

474
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 9: friends and concerned citizens to come together on two days

475
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 9: to search the grounds and by plane. Chloe Sale, Nikki's sister,

476
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 9: tells local news reporters that the area is close to

477
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 9: where McCain was last seen or heard from. Other parts

478
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 9: of tribal grounds remain private due to tribal sovereignty. Access

479
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 9: has to be requested and granted before an area can

480
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 9: be searched.

481
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh, Dear Lord in Heaven, you know how many times

482
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: I've run up against this when I would be told

483
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: or get credible information there had been a murder, that

484
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: there was an ongoing child molestation, ongoing domestic violence, that

485
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: would result in a homicide on tribal territory. I can't

486
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: just run in there with a search warrant just bust

487
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: up in the county issue Crown Victoria. That is not

488
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It doesn't work that way, Dave Matt, What

489
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: can you tell me? I mean? It took how long

490
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: before the Renchria could be searched.

491
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: It did take a number of days, and the Rentria

492
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: actually agreed to allow them to search in an area

493
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 3: near the casino, near the area where she was last seen.

494
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: They did not allow for a further investigation. They didn't

495
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: go further onto the property, but the area right around

496
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: the casino.

497
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: Dave Matt, Please, I gotta dissect twit you're saying, Hold

498
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: on all right? So they who is? They say, searchers

499
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: can come on, but only around this limited area. Like what, yes,

500
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: you think you ever took NICKI is gonna put her

501
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: in with a Christmas bow on a silver platter right

502
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: there at the casino doorstep. They would not allow searches

503
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: to go beyond a certain area. Is that what you said?

504
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: Exactly what I'm saying?

505
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: Okay, pick it up right there, please, So.

506
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: They allowed for the search to take place, but only

507
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: in a very limited area. And it was right thereby

508
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: the casino where they believe she might have last been,

509
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: and that was it. Now the rancheria actually is contributing

510
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: to the reward money. They've been participating in this again,

511
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: but it's so limited. Nick. They haven't just said come

512
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: on in and look. They've said you can look right here,

513
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: but other areas sovereign, you can't have it.

514
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons. That is not helping me.

515
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 8: Yes, so that the tribe is limiting the search areas

516
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 8: that these search parties can go on. You know, they

517
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 8: have put up a billboard, they have offered a ten

518
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 8: thousand dollars reward. These public shows of support have been made.

519
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Brian, I appreciate the money.

520
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: I would rather have a full.

521
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: On search with scent dogs, bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, shoulder to shoulder, cadets, volunteers,

522
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: Chloe Kay, everybody searching as far as they can not. Hey,

523
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: don't get past the shadow of this casino. Absolutely, that

524
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: is not helping me. Fitzgibbons, What is their problem? I

525
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: don't care if they hear me.

526
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the problem.

527
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they let the searchers search beyond that?

528
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more, Nancy.

529
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 8: I mean, these public shows that support mean nothing when

530
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 8: you don't allow the search parties to completely search the

531
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 8: tribal lands where Nicky was last known to be. So

532
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 8: you know they have to jump in here and actually

533
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 8: open up access to these search parties.

534
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 9: Family members have released their own missing persons flyer with

535
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 9: hopes of finding Nikki Chang Siley McCain. McCain described by

536
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 9: officials as four to eleven and weighing one hundred and

537
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 9: ten pounds. She has brown hair and brown eyes. Relatives

538
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 9: say she has a tattoo of roses inside a geometric

539
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 9: shape on her forearm.

540
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: Family and friends plead for tips as the search continues

541
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: for Niki Chang Sale McCain, missing for over a month.

542
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: In family and friends' efforts to find Niki, the biggest

543
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: missing person flyer you will ever see has gone up

544
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: as a billboard Lessen.

545
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 9: It's the biggest missing person flyer you'll see. A billboard

546
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 9: has gone up along North Interstate five and Andersen near

547
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 9: Ball's Ferry Road exit that says help find Nicki Ching

548
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 9: Sale McCain. Besides photos of sale McCain, the phone numbers

549
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 9: for North cal Alliance for the Missing, and Shasta County

550
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 9: Sheriff's officer provided. It's not known who paid for the Billboard.

551
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace joining me in allstar panel,

552
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: including Nicki's two sisters, Chloe and Kay, Chloe to you,

553
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: did the authorities not take her disappearance seriously? Why was

554
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: there such a slow start in the search for Nicki?

555
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 5: You know, in the beginning, I did make a missing

556
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: person's report through RPD, which is Fredding Police Department, and

557
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: then after giving that officer information, it turns out that

558
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 5: because of where they were living and where kind of

559
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: where she was last seen, it was in a different county,

560
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: and so then it got switched over from the RPD

561
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: department to the Chefs County Sheriff's department.

562
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: So that was a slow down in addition to the

563
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: weekend delay, in addition to the eight days it took

564
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: to find her Chevy Avalanche parked under an overpass. But

565
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: now can we talk about the elephant in the room. Listen?

566
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 3: Nicki Salia McCain was last seen by her family on

567
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: May seventeenth, with the text message received just after midnight

568
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: on the eighteenth. This is eleven days after her husband

569
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: appears in court for a hearing and pleads not guilty

570
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: to beating his wife of thirteen years. The next court

571
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: date for the felony domestic violence case is set for

572
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: June twenty eighth. Since Nicki is the prosecution's only witness,

573
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: if she doesn't show up for court, the case could

574
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: be dismissed. Judge Daniel Flynn decides to continue the hearing

575
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: until July fifth to give the prosecution more time to

576
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: find Nicki or other evidence in the case.

577
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Chloe, how long had the abuse and the beatings by

578
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the husband gone on?

579
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 5: So in the beginning, my sister didn't want to tell me,

580
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 5: but it had been going on for about maybe three

581
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: and a half four years.

582
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: Tay, did you know about your sister's beatings that she

583
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: was enduring in her home.

584
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 6: We did know that their altercations in their fights became

585
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 6: fiscal in the last like I said, three to four years,

586
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 6: we didn't know to which degree it had escalated. So

587
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: the incident in December was definitely eye opened her for

588
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 6: us to which degree she was living with the domestic violence.

589
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I'm hearing in my ear to make sure in her

590
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: mind everyone that these are just allegations. Okay, that said, Chloe,

591
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: why do you believe your sister kept the beatings a secret?

592
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: I mean he has tied up her wrists and ankles,

593
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: poured cold water over her after he beat her, put

594
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: tape over her mouth so she couldn't speak. She endured,

595
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: she lives, She survived through that incident. Chloe, why do

596
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: you believe she wouldn't tell you what was happening.

597
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 6: I think she was afraid.

598
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: She's my older sister, so she wanted to be I'm

599
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 5: your older sister, and I'm okay, And she didn't want

600
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 5: to scare me, I think, and she was so terrified.

601
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 5: But I think she put up at the front like

602
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 5: she was grave and that she was okay.

603
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

604
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 3: After three hours of Tyler McCain allegedly beating his wife,

605
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: the mother of his four children, hitting her about the

606
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: face and head, blackening her eyes, pulling out her hair,

607
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: and taping her mouth shut, he leaves her alone and

608
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: goes into the kitchen, getting herself loose from the bindings.

609
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: Nikki Sale McCain grabs a rope with her car keys,

610
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: runs outside and gets in her car. Tyler McCain chases

611
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: Nicki out of the house and jumps onto the hood

612
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: of the car, telling her to stop. Ignoring his demands.

613
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: Nicki flees to the safety of her sister's home.

614
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: In reading all of this said, do you believe her

615
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: disappearing maybe a way to escape her husband? Do you

616
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: think she went on her own? No?

617
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 6: Absolutely not.

618
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: No she I don't either, And I'll tell you why.

619
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Speaker 1: Four reasons. Seven years old, nine years old, eleven years old,

620
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: and thirteen years old. Those are the four reasons I

621
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: don't think she left on her own. Why does it matter?

622
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: All that matters right now is finding Niki.

623
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: And I can tell you this much.

624
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: The Reading and Rancheria is part of the problem. They

625
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: have slowed down the search for Niki.

626
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: The Redding Rancheria is a federally recognized tribe with the

627
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: reservation in Shasta County, California. The Reading Rancheria is actually

628
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 3: a combination of multiple indigenous tribes that formed in the seventies,

629
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: gaining official recognition in nineteen seventy nine. The Reading Ranchera

630
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: established the Wind River Resort and Casino along California State

631
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: Route two seventy three near I five between Reading and Anderson.

632
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: It has produced significant revenue for the tribe, enabling capital

633
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: payments to each member and Tyler. McCain is a direct

634
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 3: descendant of one of the Reading Rancheria's original tribal elders,

635
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: Art Hayward. Nicki Salia McCain was seen by her family

636
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: on May seventeenth, with the text message received just after

637
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: midnight on the eighteenth. This is eleven days after her

638
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: husband appears in court for a hearing and pleads not

639
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: guilty to beating his wife of thirteen years. The next

640
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: coordinate for the felony domestic violence case is set for

641
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 3: June twenty eighth. Since Nicki is the prosecution's only witness.

642
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: If she doesn't show up for court, the case could

643
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: be dismissed. Judge Daniel Flynn decides to continue the hearing

644
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: until July fifth to give the prosecution more time to

645
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: find Niki or other evidence in the case.

646
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Question to UK this, Nicky's sister has a husband been

647
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: out searching for his wife?

648
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 6: She has not attended any of the searches that we've done.

649
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Have you spoken to him, Kay about where's Nicki? We

650
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: have and he said, what.

651
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 6: He doesn't really, he says he doesn't know.

652
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: That day when you guys drove out to the house

653
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: and asked him, where's NICKI? What were the what were

654
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: the choices he gave you as to where she may be?

655
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 4: Chloe? She said he.

656
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 5: Didn't know, and that she took an uber and left somewhere.

657
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So I understand that he gave different theories as

658
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Speaker 1: to where she went. What else did he say beside

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Speaker 1: she took an uber.

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Speaker 5: That's what she had told me, But he had told

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Speaker 5: my other family members that she took off with a

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Speaker 5: lesbian lover. And then he had also said that she

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Speaker 5: took off with a guy to Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: So he says, A, she took an uber somewhere, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. B she took off with a lesbian lover.

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Speaker 1: Did you know anything about a lesbian lover?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: At three, that she took off with a mail to

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Speaker 1: go to the casino.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you said?

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Speaker 1: Those are the three choices?

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Speaker 6: To Las Vegas?

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Speaker 4: Yes, to Vegas? Okay.

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Speaker 1: There's no way in ac double l Nikki would leave

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Speaker 1: these four children just alone, if in for themselves. That's

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. She's never taken me time. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of moms they go off to a spa,

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Speaker 1: they go to girls' weekends.

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Speaker 4: Not her.

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Speaker 1: No, that did not have happen. If can anybody give

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Speaker 1: me a straight answer on who was supposed to pick

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Speaker 1: her up from her mother in laws that night?

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Speaker 6: NICKI said it would be one of the roommates that

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Speaker 6: lived with him at the house.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, at least I know that much, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that roommate has already been questioned. Now let

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Speaker 1: me understand something, Ted Debias joining us the former US attorney,

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Speaker 1: former assistant US Attorney in DC, and author of no

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Speaker 1: body homicide cases?

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Speaker 4: Did you hear this?

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Speaker 1: And I think this is really important, Ted, that Nicki

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Speaker 1: is the state's only witness and that aggravated assault case.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear that?

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Speaker 1: And now it's time for the case. And the judge,

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Speaker 1: who was Judge Daniel Flynn at least decided to continue

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Speaker 1: further notice, delay the hearing until July five, that's about

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Speaker 1: to happen, to give the execution time defined Nicki or

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Speaker 1: evidence in the case. Now, I'm not coming at this

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Speaker 1: from a legal angle, because you and I both know

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Speaker 1: we could get in excited utterances. We could get what

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Speaker 1: she said to cops, We could get.

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Speaker 4: A lot of her here'say.

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Speaker 1: Comments in as evidence, but that's not going.

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Speaker 4: To really fly if there's a jury.

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Speaker 1: So the significance of the timing ted jump in.

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Speaker 10: So, Nancy, it is very important because what you often

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Speaker 10: see in nobody homicide cases, which of course we all

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Speaker 10: hope this is not, but you often see what's called

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Speaker 10: a triggering event, and a court case is a classic

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Speaker 10: triggering event. And you recall here there was a court

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Speaker 10: hearing on May seventh where the case was going to

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Speaker 10: be going forward. Now we have less than two weeks later.

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Speaker 10: Of course Nicki is missing. That to me is very important.

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Speaker 10: Over fifty percent of nobody murder cases involve domestic relationships.

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Speaker 10: It can be husband, wife, can be boyfriend, girlfriend. It

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Speaker 10: is very common and all of the things we're seeing

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Speaker 10: here are very common in nobody murder cases. Unfortunately, and

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Speaker 10: as you correctly pointed out, if Nicky cannot testify at

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Speaker 10: that trial for whatever reason, the charges are going to

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Speaker 10: be dropped. From the little that we know about the case,

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Speaker 10: it seems as if, and I think the DA has

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Speaker 10: already mentioned this, the case cannot go forward, and that case,

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Speaker 10: Nancy is even in the realm of dovestic violence, strikes

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Speaker 10: me as a very serious, significant case. And what especially

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Speaker 10: strikes me and is concerning is what you've already pointed out.

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Speaker 10: The taping of the hands, the taping of the legs,

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Speaker 10: the tape over the mouth, all of that is not

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Speaker 10: something you typically see in a domestic violence case. Those

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Speaker 10: are very concerning actions allegedly by Tyler McCain against his

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Speaker 10: wife NICKI.

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Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to hear this ted debias, but

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Speaker 1: that attack on Nicky was like a dry run.

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Speaker 4: I agree, yes for k for a murder.

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Speaker 1: When do you tie someone's hands, their feet, their mouth,

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Speaker 1: You torture them poor cold water on them, turn them

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Speaker 1: over on their stomach to make it even more difficult

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Speaker 1: to talk. And keeping in mind that this strong likelihood

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Speaker 1: all the children were at home when this happened to

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Speaker 1: Chloe and Kate. Number one, our prayers are going up tonight,

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Speaker 1: as you must know. Number two, it disturbs me that

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Speaker 1: the family and friends have had to do so much.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard about this case. I haven't read about it.

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Speaker 1: You know how I found out about it. One of

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Speaker 1: you wrote me on Twitter. One of you tweeted me,

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Speaker 1: that's how I found out Niki was missing. Where is

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Speaker 1: the support for Niki? Please hear us. I know you

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Speaker 1: don't know Niki. I know you've never met her, but

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Speaker 1: there are four children as young as seven years old

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Speaker 1: hanging in the balance. There is a ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: reward tip line five three zero two four five six

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Speaker 1: one three five. If she's still alive, she can be found.

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Speaker 1: But we need help. The family needs help, her children

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Speaker 1: need help. Five three zero two four five six one

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Speaker 1: three five. I want to thank all of our guests

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Speaker 1: for being with us, for you joining us, but especially

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Speaker 1: to the sisters Chloe and Kay leading the search for

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Speaker 1: their sister, Nikki. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,