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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's the Almost Famous Podcast. It's Ashley and We're counting

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Speaker 2: down the top five most shocking moments that happened in

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation this year. We've made it to the number

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Speaker 2: two moment of the year. This one was everywhere this year.

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Speaker 2: It really shook up Bachelor Nation. The number two most

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Speaker 2: shocking moment in Bachelor history was Taylor Freaky Paul being

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Speaker 2: named the next Bachelorette. This is the first time the

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation lead has really gone for a mini celebrity,

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Speaker 2: a reality star as the lead.

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Speaker 3: She is very popular. Secret Lives is very popular. It's

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Speaker 3: a Hulu show, so it makes sense that she is,

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Speaker 3: you know, coming over to Bachelorette World. They've never had

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Speaker 3: somebody who's famous right from ever as a lead, have they.

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Speaker 4: I mean they used to do. They used to do

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Speaker 4: like you know, back in your day. They're picking people

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Speaker 4: kind of.

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Speaker 3: Out of the firestone. Yeah, a prince a prince true,

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Speaker 3: but she's like pop culture famous, you know, like they've

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Speaker 3: never had someone who's not already been on the show.

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Speaker 3: A change. Who is this is definitely a big change.

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Speaker 2: We are really excited, and I speak for myself, I

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Speaker 2: think ben Is is happy. I speak for myself as

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Speaker 2: I think this is a wonderful move for the Bachelor franchise.

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Speaker 2: I think they needed something to jazz it up. I

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Speaker 2: think they needed somebody else's fandom to get involved. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's great for the whole Hulu ABC Disney

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Speaker 2: family to get some like Avengers like action here or

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Speaker 2: with the crossover stars.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be really great.

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have some people who have watched

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Speaker 2: the show in a while come.

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Speaker 5: Back because of this selection.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have a whole new audience who's ever watched

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Speaker 2: The Bachelor before, who watch Secret Lives and Mormon wise,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna come on over.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna give it a.

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Speaker 2: Great little boost. And Taylor is undeniably a great lead.

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Speaker 2: We know that she basically leads the Mormon Wive show,

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Speaker 2: and I think she's gonna do a great job leading

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Speaker 2: this show as well.

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Speaker 5: She has the personality.

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Speaker 4: It does seem to me Trista people are fans of

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Speaker 4: her because I don't know how else to say it.

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Speaker 4: I'll say it and get in trouble for it. She's messy,

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Speaker 4: She's messy. That's how people know her from her show

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Speaker 4: and her current time is. People have falled along because

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Speaker 4: of the storylines that have existed around her, right soft swinging,

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Speaker 4: the arrest, the probation, the pause in filming, to the

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Speaker 4: chaos that's caused with other people on her show. It's messy,

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Speaker 4: I think, is the way I'm gonna say it. Get

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Speaker 4: mad at me for it. If you don't feel that way.

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Speaker 4: I don't know enough to make a strong statement on this.

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Speaker 4: I have never known The Bachelorette to be cheered for

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Speaker 4: and watched because of messiness. I think that changes the

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Speaker 4: franchise drastically. The franchise has always been about a pursuit

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Speaker 4: of love, even if people that are watching really don't

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Speaker 4: believe you can fall in love, and the amount of

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Speaker 4: time that it takes to film The Bachelor at it

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Speaker 4: has always been at the core of it. People have

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Speaker 4: tuned in as a family with their moms, as a

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Speaker 4: sister group, whatever, because it's the romanticized idea that possibly

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Speaker 4: something could work from this show. Messiness has never been

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Speaker 4: the core driver. It might be this season. I'm not

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Speaker 4: saying it's not going to pick up attention. It's one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent going to pick up attention. Is that what

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Speaker 4: we want? And so my question for the audience for Taylor,

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Speaker 4: for whoever great Taylor, I'm welcoming you into this thing.

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Speaker 4: I hope you find love from this thing, if that's

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Speaker 4: what you're really after here. I don't want anybody to

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Speaker 4: come on this show and their lives become worse for it.

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Speaker 4: That is not the hope, That is not the dream.

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Speaker 4: That is not why we've done what we've done on

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Speaker 4: this show for the last ten years. So I'm getting

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Speaker 4: behind you, kid, But where does the franchise go from here?

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Speaker 4: If this is this launching pad for this new era

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Speaker 4: of The Bachelor and Bachelorette to bring in a whole

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Speaker 4: new audience of viewers that they need to do, I'm

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Speaker 4: not mad at them for changing this up. They had

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Speaker 4: to change it up. They have to try to hit

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Speaker 4: a home run here, because if they don't, I don't

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Speaker 4: think we're talking about the Bachelor in a year.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think they're already showing warning signs of that. But

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Speaker 4: where does the franchise go from here? How do they

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Speaker 4: top a Taylor Frankie Paul? How do they have a

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Speaker 4: season that is going to be more polarizing than any

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Speaker 4: season we've probably seen before. That's why people are going

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Speaker 4: to watch it. That's why people are going to tune in.

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Speaker 4: How do you top it year over year over year?

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Speaker 5: I do think this was shocking to me.

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Speaker 2: I saw it a rumored or maybe not, it's not

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Speaker 2: even so rumor, but like people hoping that it could

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Speaker 2: be Taylor Franks Paul like a week leading up to

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Speaker 2: it was the first time I started thinking that they

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Speaker 2: could do a stunt casting like this, and I was

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Speaker 2: definitely on board. I know that I had maybe a

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Speaker 2: moment where I was like, oh, was it the greatest decision?

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Speaker 2: Being that she does have a messy past, and I

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Speaker 2: think that she has been given enough time to kind

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Speaker 2: of explain that on her show, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people have, you know, forgiven her for what she did there,

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Speaker 2: hopefully like you know, she she admittedly is like a

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Speaker 2: sloppier person, which makes her a great reality TV personality.

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Speaker 2: I also think she seems to have a good heart

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Speaker 2: and to be a loving mom, and that is going

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Speaker 2: to get us to be more compelled into this show

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Speaker 2: as well. We've seen that she hasn't had the best

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Speaker 2: relationship past which she doesn't have the greatest picker, which

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Speaker 2: may not be great for her picking. In the end,

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Speaker 2: hopefully she's grown past out of that phase, but we

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Speaker 2: all know that even if she hasn't, it will be

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Speaker 2: delivering entertainment for us all.

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Speaker 5: And that's a.

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Speaker 2: Little selfish to say, but you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people who don't necessarily make the best decisions in

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Speaker 2: their romantic life give us great seasons of the Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: at least ones that we can talk about in are

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Speaker 2: very memorable. Anyway, I do think it's going to work

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Speaker 2: out well for Taylor, at least for some time.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time that Bachelor Nation has really

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Speaker 2: gone for a mini celebrity as a lead. Back in September,

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Speaker 2: the news broke and to me, not only was Taylor

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Speaker 2: TikTok famous part of a soft swinging scandal, but she's

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Speaker 2: also been arrested for domestic violence.

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Speaker 5: Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 2: The fandom seem to be very divided by this announcement,

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Speaker 2: but overall, a lot of us, especially cast I feel,

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Speaker 2: think that Taylor will as a lead help inject some

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Speaker 2: new life into the franchise. Since she was announced, I

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Speaker 2: got to interview her mom, Leanne and get some more

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Speaker 2: insight on Taylor and what she hopes the single men

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Speaker 2: are going to be like on her daughter season. So

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Speaker 2: what kind of guys do you hope that ABC has

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Speaker 2: cast for her?

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Speaker 6: Well, I have talked to the casting director all the time.

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Speaker 6: I mean we're on the phone all the time. She's

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Speaker 6: probably thinks I'm crazy, but and I might be a

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Speaker 6: little bit every now and then, but I just want

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Speaker 6: somebody who's like that believes in God kind of you know,

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Speaker 6: like believes in God or has some kind of like

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Speaker 5: Okay, So it does not need to be more.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be Mormon. No, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 6: I would like that, but it's not. That's not something

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Speaker 6: I guess. There's so many great people that aren't Mormon.

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Speaker 6: Like my father wasn't an LDS guy, and he couldvert

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Speaker 6: like years later, but he was a great guy and

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Speaker 6: so and probably one of the best people.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of the people that I meet are

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Speaker 6: outside the religion. So she's like, I'm down to go,

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Speaker 6: you know, go to some other religion or whatever, or

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Speaker 6: just just a good guy, just somebody who's like, obviously

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Speaker 6: you still want them to be like decent looking, you know,

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Speaker 6: because you want that I feel, and I'm sure she

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Speaker 6: does too, but just somebody who's like really humble and

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Speaker 6: caring and puts her like in front of them.

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Speaker 2: Taylor has been tiktoking through her filming process, another first.

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Speaker 2: We've been covering it all week to week on the podcast,

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Speaker 2: and it's been interesting to get real time updates and

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Speaker 2: teases and see her out on dates and.

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Speaker 5: Kisses and all that.

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Speaker 2: Taylor's season of The Bachelor of premieers in March twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, and will be breaking it all down, of course.

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Speaker 5: And while we were excited to see where this.

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Speaker 2: Goes, I have a little homework to do and I'll

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Speaker 2: be using this holiday break watching a lot of secret

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Speaker 2: lives of Mormon Wives. I am almost on with season one.

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Speaker 2: I do enjoy it, and I know people tell me

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Speaker 2: that just gets so much better in season two. So

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to getting to know Taylor more through

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Speaker 2: the TV screen.

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Speaker 5: Until next time, I've been Ashley.

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