1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the All Ball Podcast, a great part of 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: the HERD podcast network. Tom Doug Gottlieb your host, and 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: uh hey, do us a favor when you're done, subscribe 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: to the All Ball Podcast and rate us. It helps us. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: I don't make any extra money off it, although maybe 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: eventually I will, But more importantly, it kind of helps. 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: It helps my bosses feel good about what we're doing here. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Rashand Phillips will join us. If you don't remember Rashanda Phillips, 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: uh well, you don't remember nineties and early two thousand basketball. 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: He was a star all timely score University Detroit scored 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: over twenty points. Get his kind of unique perspective on 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: some of the players still playing and get ready in 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: the n c A determined get ready for the NBA draft. 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Bill Self, Oh yeah. Porter Moser also part 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: of the All Ball Podcast this week, got about I know, 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: seven or eight minutes with both of them. I think 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: you'll enjoy. We'll get you ready for the Final four. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: I think the other thing we're going to do, as 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: we will transition from the Final four in college basketball 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: and some of the coaching changes, we'll continue to bring 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: you some great stories of college basketball coaches. What I 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: want to do in the coming All Ball podcast is 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: bring on some of these coaches and you'll find out 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: about them as people them, but they're upbringing where they played, 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: going up who they played for, and how they formed 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: kind of their basketball opinions, if you will, as well 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: as what their programs like today. So we can continue 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: focusing on college, but then we'll transition lord to NBA 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: get ready for the NBA playoffs. Have on NBA guests. 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: You'll find out about some of these injuries and about 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: the future of some NBA stars as free agencies. Also interesting, 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: and we'll get you ready for the NBA Draft. So 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: we'll do a little bit of all that today. Look, 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: we're weeks away from the NBA playoffs, which I do 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: think are going to be exhilarating. I'm not buying all 36 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: these guys being hurt. I think everybody's just trying to 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: get completely rested, completely healthy. And as much as Steph 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Curry's knee tweak look bad and the m c L 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: it can hurt your latter a movement, the fact is 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: that when Steph says I'll be back for a week 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: for a game, one of the playoffs. I feel like 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: he's more hurt than injured. You know, if you don't 43 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: have surgery on your knee and you just spraying your knee, 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be okay. I just I do, 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: and K D Clay Thompson, Draymond Green. To me, the 46 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: whole question with them is gonna be there bench? But 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: I look around the league. John wall is gonna be back. 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about Kyrie, but I'd assume he'd be 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: back as well. People freak out about a scope of 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: your knee. The more you've been in it, you have 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: your knee, scope can cleaned up, You can play a 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: week or a couple of weeks later, he'll have time 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: to rest. I don't know. I just maybe it's it's 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: me being hopeful. But I get the sense you'll see Kauai, 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: You'll see LaMarcus, You'll see all these guys that are 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: banged up and Nick Dupp actually get clean and healthy, 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: and we'll have a much more exciting playoffs this year 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: that we had last year. I think the East is 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: closer to Lebron the Calves than they've been and I 60 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: think the West. I'm still not a buyer long term 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: to Houston if old states healthy, but I think Oklahoma 62 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: City is interesting. San Antonio, if healthy, is interesting. Minnesota's interesting. 63 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: Portland they've been incredible, even at the defensive end in 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: the second half of the season. They're interesting. Um, New 65 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: Orleans is interesting playing better without DeMarcus Cousins. Who could 66 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: have saw that coming? Actually, I think a lot of people. Anyway, 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: we'll we'll get you ready for the NBA playoffs and 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: the NBA Draft and bringing you some of the draft 69 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: potential draftees on this show. So we'll do a wide 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: We'll cast a wide swath if you will. Well, let's 71 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: focus on the final four. I guess I should be surprised. 72 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: But the fact is, and if you've listened to the 73 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlip Show, which you can listen to three to 74 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: six Eastern time on Fox Sports Radio, the I Heart 75 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Radio app or XM Serious Channel three daily, it's twelve 76 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: to three Pacific, you know that before the tournament, I said, 77 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: no matter how chaotic it seems at the time, we 78 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: usually get three teams you you kind of expect to 79 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: get in and one team that's kind of a cinderella. 80 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: We've had that a lot of time. Have been to 81 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: so many of these final fours, and that's what we 82 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: have this year. And you have Loyalist Chicago, who did 83 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: win their league, did with their league tournament, got in 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: and won their first three games by four four points, 85 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: and of course end up dominating in the Elite eight, 86 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: and now they're playing for the right to play for 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: national championship. I don't think it's a particularly good matchup 88 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: between them and Michigan, not just because of of Wagner, 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: but Wagner is a is a big part. He's just 90 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: so much. One of the differences in low major, mid major, 91 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: high major basketball is not just the size of players. 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: And obviously some of that has changed, not just with 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: UH with kind of there there being a much more 94 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: gray area between high and mid major basketball, but also 95 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: with so many high major guys going early to the 96 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: to the pros. But but the biggest thing has been 97 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: the quality of big player, and Wagner from Michigan as 98 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: a stretch five that and also defend the rim and 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: score a little bit around the bucket, I think that 100 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: presents the biggest threat to lay. He presents the biggest 101 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: threat to Loyola. In addition to which though they're they're 102 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: not all as old as as Loyola's players. You've got 103 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: a more veteran team with Michigan then you would have 104 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: with some other high majors. And then in the other semifinal, 105 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: I do like Villanova over Kansas, and I think one 106 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: of the things is this is probably Kansas weakest group 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: in terms of of NBA caliber talent. Like I look 108 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: at that roster and like, who's gonna Is Malik Newman 109 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: an NBA player? Maybe? Is he a first round traffic 110 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Udoka has a bouquet one. I 111 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: don't know how he plays in this guy he can't 112 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: guard to Marie Spellman out at the three point line, 113 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: and even though he can score the low post, he can't. 114 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: There's too many possessions which he can't play defensively because 115 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the win for it, and he doesn't play. 116 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: He doesn't play that long when he plays. Um. This 117 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: is arguably NBA talent wise, the least talented per se 118 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: team Bill self has ever had, and yet here they 119 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: are chance to play for national championship going against the 120 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Villanova team that I think matches up with them really 121 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: really well. I do think they have more NBA players 122 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: than they had when they won the national championship two 123 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: years ago. And it's pretty fascinating the evolution of Jay 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: Wright as a basketball coach. You know, Jay Wright went 125 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: from hey, let's just play a take them offense and 126 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: really pressure defensively, and then they went through years where 127 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: they weren't very good defensively at all, and then he 128 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: kind of just rewired, reformulate himself and they become a 129 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: dynamic defensive team. That's the one thing that all three 130 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: of these teams, four these teams have in common. They're 131 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: tremendously well coached at the defensive end. I actually think 132 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: they're really well coached all together. And it's funny that 133 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: you'll hear people say about Bill self he doesn't get 134 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: the respect he deserves. He's in the Hall of Fame. 135 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how much more respect you can give 136 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: a guy. I think John Beeline eventually will be in 137 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and I think the same can 138 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: be said for Jay Right, whether he wins the second 139 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: national title this week or not. That that what he's 140 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: putting together at Villanova through seventeen years, but especially the 141 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: last five years and absolute juggernaut they are the new 142 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: beast of the Big East. Speaking of the Big East, 143 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: couple of news and news nuggets before we get you 144 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: off to Rashad Phillips and Bill self and Porter Moser. 145 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: I think what's fascinating about Chris mac going to Louisville 146 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: is there's there's still a gap. There's still a gap 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: between the new Big East and the a c C. 148 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 1: And while you may not see it because you say, hey, 149 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Xavier had a one seed, Virginia had a one seat. 150 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: Virginia lost in the first round, Xavier lost in the 151 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: second round or whatever. Okay, Villanova is the one seed. 152 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: They're still playing. The difference is this, Uh, the generally 153 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: the caliber of athlete out of high school to the 154 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: A c C is generally better. Now. It was down 155 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: this year with North Carolina, and I think some of 156 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: that is they've had guys leave early for the draft, 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of it is the fact that they 158 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: were people didn't know if they're gonna be on probation 159 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: until they weren't on probation. Um, you know, Virginia lost 160 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, three players to transfer last season. Their talent 161 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: was a little bit down. Syracuse is like a year 162 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: away Louisville lost their their most talented incoming recruit and 163 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: their coach, and Louisville still had some premier talent. So 164 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: wake Forest is like a year away. Pittsburgh has completely 165 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: had to remake itself. So the overall the league for 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: the a c C is down. But keep in mind 167 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: that if you're Chrismack, you're taking out, You're taking in Louisville. 168 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: Whoever you recruit to play at Louisville is now gonna 169 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: have to play against Duke Carolina, Virginia, Syracuse. You know, 170 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: you floor to the athletes of Florida State like that's 171 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: a game in, game out. And So while I understand, 172 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: I think the quality of playing the Big East has 173 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: been very very good. You have a lot of older teams, 174 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: a lot of teams that transfers the cratings of the world. Um, 175 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: you know Providence of Emmett Holt had played, he'll play 176 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: next year as a six year senior. The fact is 177 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: that it's a little bit higher caliber of league in 178 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: the a c C as opposed to the Big East, 179 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: and it's obviously a much better paying job. I think 180 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna double his money. That's why Chris mac leaves. 181 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: But that's why it becomes a bigger challenge. And then 182 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: you look behind a Xavier and I hear I see 183 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: so many people saying, hey, Travis Steel is the easy 184 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: solution to be in the head coach, And it probably 185 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: is the easy solution. He has, you know, earned the 186 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: chance as the associate head coach to become the head 187 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: coach at Xavier. But remember this is a different Xavier 188 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: than a ten Xavier. This is big East number one 189 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: seed Xavier. They're much bigger challenges and they been frankly 190 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: recruiting a higher caliber of athlete over the last five years, 191 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: and they recruited previously when they're winning eight ten titles. 192 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: So I think both jobs only an hour and a 193 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: half apart, one league apart. And you've seen so many 194 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: coaches make the jump from Xavier too, Wake Force to 195 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: Providence too, Arizona, et cetera. I think to Ohio State 196 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: that I think you believe that Xavier will survive, and 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: they probably will. And yet Chris Mack has been so 198 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: good at Xavier you would assume he'll be good at Louisville. 199 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: He probably will. But there are different calibers of jobs, 200 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: different levels of challenges, and I think that Travis Steel, 201 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: if he inherits Xavier's program, it's it's a more difficult 202 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: job than the previous than when Chris Mack took it over. 203 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: And Chris Mack following the footsteps of Rick Pettino, who 204 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: had been the Final Four's and won a national championship 205 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: at Louisville. That's a harder job than than what you 206 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: had at Xavier, where you had your culture intact through 207 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: various head coaches. I think that part of it is 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: absolutely fast fasting. We also have free agency season in 209 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: college basketball, and the rating of the low and mid 210 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: majors continues, the plethora of transfers. And I know that 211 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: some of you listening to this are basketball people, and 212 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: basketball people you're not in your head. You're going like, look, 213 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: it's the problem. But the reason that Kansas doesn't have 214 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: a bench is kid doesn't play. I want to transfer, 215 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: even if it's during his freshman year. That's what Tubby 216 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: Smith is talking about. He's not talking about the idea 217 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: of transferring. Like, look, if you play somewhere two years 218 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: and they recruit over you and you're not going to start, 219 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: you go and you say coach and we're gonna have 220 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: a bigger role next year, Like not really, now we 221 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: think we have somebody. Then you transfer and nobody's harmed 222 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: by it. But nine games into your freshman year or 223 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: simply because you're not willing to to to to bide 224 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: your time even though that was what was told you 225 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: would do when you when you signed it a place. 226 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: I think that's what's changed in terms of culture wise 227 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: in basketball. But you combine just the plethora of transfers 228 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: with the fifth year, six year grad school transfers, and um, 229 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: it's out and out free agency. You know it's it's 230 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: I had a I had a high major assistant say like, 231 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: who was in the Big Ten? And he's like, look, 232 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: we're off for the last week of championship week. We 233 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: almost feel like sending a guy out to watch mid 234 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: major tournaments to recruit, because that's what everybody's doing is 235 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: recruiting these grad transfers. And there are lists floating around. 236 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you have them of potent guys 237 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: that can graduate this summer so they can transfer and 238 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: play right away. I think as as so many of 239 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: you are basketball coaches travel to San Antonio for the 240 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: n ABC Convention, if you're gonna adjust anything, there's got 241 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: to be an adjustment made. Because I get that if 242 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: a kid graduates on time, he should be rewarded. And 243 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: if the reward is he gets to play elsewhere, that's cool. 244 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: But think about it. If you're the college coach and 245 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: I recruit you, I stat you for your first year, 246 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: I started you your second year, your third year, you're 247 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: an all league player. I depended upon you coming back, 248 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: and then you walk into my office You're like, coach, 249 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: I love you, but I'm gonna go transfer up to 250 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: playing the Big ten, the Pac ten, Pack twelve, the 251 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: Big twelve, etcetera, etcetera. Like is that really the spirit 252 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: of what we're doing? You can, you can transfer, but 253 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of has to be 254 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: some sort of penalty um, whether it's even as a 255 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: grad transfer. You sit out and play one so you 256 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: can have you know, you can play four years. If 257 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: you read shirted a year because of injury or because 258 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: of because you read shirt early in your career, you 259 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: should still have to sit out in additional year. That way, 260 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: you get your master's degree, you should be progressing to it. 261 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: If you want to grad transfer, you should have to 262 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: sit and get your degree. Um, here's the last thing. 263 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: And I think this, it's something so many of you 264 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: know me to be about, is not just coaches getting 265 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: opportunities that are about the right thing, but teams being 266 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: about the right thing. And I think we are being 267 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: rewarded with coaches that coach the right way, teams that 268 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: play the right way. But I don't think we should 269 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: be the end all be all, be the final four. 270 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: And by that I mean take a look at at 271 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: Perdue and what that team accomplished. Didn't win a Big 272 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Ten title this year, didn't win a Big Ten tournament, 273 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: Isaac has gets hurt. Otherwise they match up with Xavier, 274 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: it would have been incredibly interesting to me. I do 275 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: think they would have won and met up with Xavier. 276 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: I had them beating Xavier. The point is that those 277 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: seniors and there's essentially five of them, four that that 278 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: played huge minutes, changed the culture of the place. I've 279 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: said this time and again about Kansas. From Kansas wins 280 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: a double round robin Big twelve a year after year 281 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: with all the pressure where they make the inst make 282 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: the final four or not, they still had a great year. 283 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: There are there's such a depth of teams that had 284 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: great years that suffered a terrible, our, gut wrenching loss. 285 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: Look at Tennessee, right, Tennessee, Yet you come from behind, 286 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: you take the lead. You probably if you're not mess 287 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: around you should beat Loyal of Chicago and Clayton Custer 288 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: goes one on one, shoots front rim ball, hits the 289 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: front rim, then background, then up and end. That's how 290 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: you lose. That didn't mean Tennessee didn't have an incredible 291 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: season under Rick Barnes. Even Auburn that gets blown out. 292 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Think about Auburn loses two starters to start the year 293 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and the third starter during the year. They end up 294 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: winning the SEC. I thought Bruce Pearl and Auburn had 295 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: a spectacular year. Harvard won the IVY League, didn't win 296 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: the IVY League tournament that's played on campus at Penn 297 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: at the Plastra. They had a big time year. I 298 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: guess there there should be some porsche of us that 299 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: and maybe that's where the show is to where we 300 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: can talk about some of the programs that accomplished incredible 301 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: things even if they weren't during the n c A tournament. 302 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: Because the n c A Tournament UH sometimes can cast 303 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: a pale over our eyes to where we assume a 304 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: team had a great year when really they didn't. Syracuse 305 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: didn't have a great year. They didn't. They got in 306 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: then a tournament. They won a couple of games very smartly, 307 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: playing a working game by slowing the pace and playing 308 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: their zone defense. But you finished below five in your league. 309 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: No one should be happy. We just shouldn't, especially in 310 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: a place like Syracuse. And look, I was. I was 311 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,119 Speaker 1: an advocate for Oklahoma State being in ahead of Oklahoma. 312 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: But Oklahoma State lost fifteen games in the season, Like, 313 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: that's not a great year. It might be surprising to 314 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: some because so many people didn't know what Mike Boyden 315 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: was capable of and their picked last or next to 316 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: last in most polls. But that doesn't mean you had 317 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: a great year. That means you had a surprising year. 318 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Great years or years in which you massively overachieved, or 319 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: you win your league, or you come close to winning 320 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: your league and balanced lea and win your league tournament. 321 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: You're playing good ball going to the n s A turm. 322 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: So there there are teams. I thought Kansas State had 323 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: a very good year, very good year, not just because 324 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: they're playing the n c A Tournament. But you know 325 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: your point guard goes down midway through the Big twelve 326 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: and you actually play as well or play better after 327 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: that injury. With that in mind, let's get to some 328 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: of our special guests on All bar Let's. Welcome in. 329 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Porter Moser, head coach of Cinderella, Loyal to Chicago and 330 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: poor It's it's interesting. I've actually come to learn a 331 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: lot about loyal and not because of watching your team, 332 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: but talking to other athletic directors, like, hey, did you 333 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: know that they built a beach on campus? Did you 334 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: know that the school itself is starting to take students 335 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: from other private schools and now of a sudden like this, 336 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: the student body is expanding. When you first got to Loyola, 337 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: what what was the place? Like? What was the tenor 338 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: of the university? Well, athletics was the twenty ninth topic 339 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: that would come up when you talked about Loyola. It wasn't. 340 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't part of who we were. And that's um 341 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: It's it's an unbelievable academic school. It's gorgeous. They put 342 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: so much into the campus. It's on the lake. I 343 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: can see out my window and see Lake Michigan right here, 344 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: and so that that part of it, and so the 345 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: grind of to go from where literally there was hardly 346 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: anybody in the hands and to see all the videos 347 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: go viral of this this run and see the the 348 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: Chicago skyline lit up, Go Loyola. It's been. It's been 349 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: so you know, cool rewarding, especially from me being from Chicago, 350 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: and uh, it's just the buzz, the energy. I think 351 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: it's going to change the direction of the university forever. 352 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: So does that mean you're going to stay? You know 353 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: how this thing works, you become the hot coach and 354 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: now of a sudden job, if your job gets thrown 355 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: your ner now a genius. Um, how do you process 356 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: the conversation about whether or not it's a it's a 357 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: long term it's a long term fit. You know that 358 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: conversation obviously will happen after this run. I mean, I 359 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: think the school has reached out and you know, express 360 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: that that they want to discuss that, and uh, I'm 361 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: grateful for that, UM, But I've just kind of been 362 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, I've told my guys to block out distractions 363 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: and I'm doing the same thing, and it just our 364 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: focus has been so much driven on what's ahead of us, 365 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I know that will come up and 366 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: be become a reality after this weekend. We'll have to 367 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, see that when at the time happens, Um, 368 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: what what did you I know you've talked about Illinois 369 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: State and talked about going to work for Rick and 370 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: about how that all kind of just worked and brought 371 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: you home to Chicago. And this has been a great 372 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: fit in now you've been able to accomplish things that 373 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: coaches only dream of accomplishing. What did you learn most 374 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: from what happened in Illinois State? You know, just that 375 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: adversity doesn't have to define you can get better from it. 376 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: And uh, you know I've gotten better from it. It's 377 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: it's made me more you know who I am, and 378 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, knowing that I can respond through things that 379 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: don't go our way, it's helped me. Um, you know, 380 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: it's you can. And that's why I like talking to 381 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: other coaches that happened to I always try to call 382 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: guys that I know that had gone through because the 383 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: next step you're gonna go through a grieving any time 384 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: in life, whatever adverse it is, that's kind of normal. 385 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: But the next step, this reinvention. You can use use 386 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: your competitiveness and your energy to invent yourself. And I remember, 387 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: I had a chance to get a really crappy, low, 388 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: low low job as a head coach, and I'm like, 389 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: do I really want to do that just to prove 390 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: people that I'm doing this? Or I had a chance 391 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: to go work with Rick Majeris, and I chose that 392 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: more humbling. I've been a head coach in two different stops, 393 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: but it was all about getting better, and I felt 394 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: I got better. And then it's you know, you get 395 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: confidence the more you bounce back from adversity because I'm 396 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: gonna have it again. I guarantee you'll have it again, 397 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: and you just you just keep grinding for the reinvention 398 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: is the next, the next competitive part of your journey. 399 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: All right. So now you have Michigan and you have 400 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: a coach's coach, you know, a guy who everyone in 401 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: the business respects looking down the other sideline, not just 402 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: at the way he does it, doing it the right 403 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: way and John Bee line, but also the way in 404 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: which his team plays. Is there a parallel to this 405 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: type of challenge in terms of the style of play, 406 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: the preparation for the style of play based upon who 407 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: you've competed against this season. You know, coach bee Line 408 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: is one of the best in I professed, and like 409 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: you said, everyone knows it and he's uh, he's doing 410 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: it again. They're on a hot streak as well. They 411 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: haven't lost in a while running through the Big ten tournament, 412 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: and you know they post some matchup problems because Moe 413 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: Wagner he's just different. You know, he's he's different because 414 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: he's a big that can stretch you. He can shoot 415 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: it when he sets those pistol screens, he sets those 416 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: lane line pistol screens and he drops up, he'll do 417 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: the pistol screen and short roll, he'll pick and pop. 418 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: He's you have to make decisions on ball screens. You 419 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: have to do some things. And and then their guards, 420 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: i mean they guards can really go downhill. They can 421 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: really go downhill, so you gotta contain that. And then 422 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: they just there's just not a lot of teams, especially 423 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: that we've played that has uh, you know, a six 424 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: eleven guy that can stretch you at a high level 425 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: from three um, but camera has been really impressive. I mean, 426 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: I I just yeah, for for a freshman to be 427 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: competing at this high level and be uh that solid. 428 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: How when did you first see him? I saw him 429 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: he was a sophomore UM and I just I just 430 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: love to he was a basketball player, and you know, 431 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: I think I think people at the next level, you know, 432 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: and I get it, people look at his athleticism and 433 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: he's not a rim protector. He's not and I would 434 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: say is he's not a high flying guy above the rim, 435 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: which on a side note, I think we have to 436 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: be the first team in Division one history to go 437 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: to the final four and not have a dunk in 438 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: the in the n A Tournament as as yet. That's amazing. 439 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: That's a incredible stat um. But corruptly knows who he is. 440 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: You know, he's not a shot blocker. He's a through 441 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: you to the rim guy. He's a rotate over be big. 442 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: He's a take space up and offensively, he he isn't 443 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: too sped up. A lot of freshmen are so sped up, 444 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: and the NBA guys always say that about the college guys. 445 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: You know, we're too sped up and everything. He's beyond 446 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: his years in the post. He's not sped up. He 447 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: takes his time, He pivots. He kind of waits to 448 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: see what what what side you're leaning towards, and he 449 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: kind of spins back. He's got a great pace to 450 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: himself in the paint. Is there a way in which 451 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you can prepare the players so that you know the 452 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: moments not too big? Is there anything that you've you've 453 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: been able to kind of figure out you want to, 454 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: because look, it's it's even one thing to practice, obviously 455 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: in front of people, it's a whole other thing to 456 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: play that game. What in your preparation do you think 457 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: you can do to prepare them for when they have 458 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: that big moment on the floor at the Alamo Dome 459 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: so that it's not too big. Well, there's nothing I 460 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: can simulate that's gonna be like this. I mean, I 461 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: think each step East Regional and Dallas and this, there's 462 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: been a ton of hype. So they've they've they've responded 463 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: to all that. But I tell you, Doug, the one 464 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: thing I've reached out to some other coaches and I've 465 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: asked them about it, and the things that that that 466 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: come back to me, everyone says, try to be as 467 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: normal as you can with your routine, normal with your meals, 468 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: normal with your walkthrough, is normal with your film sessions. 469 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: Try to take it as normal. The second thing, which 470 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: was great advice, they're like, put a deadline on Tuesday, 471 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: your tickets are are in no more changing it because 472 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: of the distractions of people reaching out for gets. Some 473 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: people said the first time they went, it went all 474 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: the way to like Friday, and it can be so 475 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: just so we did it. I mean, by by eight 476 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: o'clock today, there's no changing their ticket list none, and 477 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: they're not going to deal with that. So it's just 478 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: interesting to see people say the distractions, you try to 479 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: limit them as much as you can to try to 480 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: get to stay normal. Is there a in preparing for Michigan? 481 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Everyone worries about their offense. This year's team is really 482 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: really good defensively. How do you balance the time in 483 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, coaches all want to get the 484 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: great scatter report to shut down John b Lion's offense. 485 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: On the other hand, their defense is really their calling card. 486 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: How do you prepare for that? You really have to 487 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: watch it because they they are so well coached and 488 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: on all of it. I mean, they they're big, they 489 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: hedge ball screens, they low lateral ball screens they got. 490 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: You know, their their guards are six four six six 491 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: six seven um you know Simpson, their point guard absolutely 492 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: gets after you at the point. And it is such 493 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: a good point though, because they you know you do 494 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: when you think a coach blon you think of how 495 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: much they execute and the efficiency on offense. But they're 496 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: at the top of their game defensively, and that's what 497 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: makes them so good. Was there was there a moment 498 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: in any of those first three games where you thought 499 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't going to happen. Not not not no, because 500 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: it was so close. You're not just sitting there it's 501 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. It wasn't like we were down ten 502 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: with a minute left and had to come back. They 503 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: were right there, you know, And so I really never 504 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: felt it wasn't gonna happen. Grateful as hell. Some of 505 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: the couple of shots went in. You know, we you know, 506 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: Dante Ingram hit a hit, a big time shot and 507 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: you know in there and we didn't call time out 508 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: in that Miami game, and you know, we we are 509 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: guys kind of practiced the attack and because so many 510 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: things can happen when you call it time out. If 511 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: in um um you know, looking back at all of it, 512 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: you'll start to, you know, think some you know, think 513 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: about how it was. But our guys have been in 514 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: the moment, Doug, they really been embraced it. Well would 515 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: it mean for you to be playing on Monday night? 516 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: It's it's it's your ultimate goal. I mean you, you 517 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: your dream is when you first get into this, you 518 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: dreams a kid to play in it. You dream as 519 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: a coach to get to that stage. And uh, trust me, 520 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: there's thankfulness is on my mind. Blessed to be at 521 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: this position and just don't want it to end. And 522 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: our guys don't want it to end. Well, listen, you 523 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: have most of the free world rooting for you, and 524 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things for people I think 525 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: even feel bad about rooting against the line. But Sister 526 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: Jean obviously makes that pill easier to swallow. Um. But 527 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: she's she's become a national symbol of hope. I'm just 528 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: really kind of remarkable. What's what's taking place? Wish wish 529 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: you nothing but success, Safe travels to San Antonio. Thanks 530 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: for joining us. You're gonna listen to my radio show 531 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: three to sixth Eastern n A three Pacific Monday through 532 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: Friday on Fox Sports Radio the I Heart Radio app 533 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: series x M Channel three. I had Kansas head coach 534 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: Bill cell phone to talk about their run to the 535 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: Final four. There's a picture of you, Bill, kind of 536 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: celebrating and yelling to the sky and the crowd going 537 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: crazy in the background. How big was it for you 538 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: emotionally to win that game? It was? It was big. 539 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: It was huge. It was a you know, you get 540 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: a chance to play Duke, uh, you know, on the 541 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: biggest stage. Uh, you know, in the most important game 542 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: of the season thus far, and and and certainly uh, 543 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, for the rights to go to the final four. 544 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we've we've been knocked out in the 545 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: lead date the last two years. So so yeah, it 546 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: was big. It was. It was big. It was somewhat emotional, 547 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: I guess for for everybody. And and uh, but I 548 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: thought we played great. I thought we we played at 549 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: a pretty high level. The entire game is. I thought 550 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: they did as well. And and but certainly our guys 551 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: made some unbelievable plays down the stretch. I thought maybe 552 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: and and this part hasn't been discussed enough, which is, um, 553 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: I thought your guys did a great job of executing 554 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: the scattered report at times defensively. Case in point, Grayson 555 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Allen gets the ball isolated last play of regulation, and yeah, 556 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: he nearly made a bank shot, but it's because you 557 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: took away his right hand. You played him to spend 558 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: back the left, exactly as the scatter report has written it. 559 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: It's one thing to write it down some other team, 560 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: to get the team to lock in and execute like that. Yeah, 561 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: I thought, I thought we did it, you know, Grace 562 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: and uh uh, you know it's as E's of the guard, 563 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: especially when you're in the bonus, because he put pressure 564 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: on you. He's such a great free throw shooter. But 565 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: Malik did a good job on him. I mean, he 566 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: he scored twelve, but he got three with you know, 567 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: with no time left at the end of the game. 568 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: And uh, and he got three on the switch early 569 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: in the game. So when when when Malik was locked 570 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: in on him, he did a great job and and 571 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: and uh and certainly I thought spe did a great 572 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: job on Badley, even though he still got some numbers, 573 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, he limited his good touches and certainly did 574 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: a pretty admirable job of keeping off the offensive class 575 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: you know you you mentioned the leak. There was a 576 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: time early in the year, I'll admit it, I was 577 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: ready to bail on the kid. You know, I just thought, alright, 578 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: a year off, after after an up and down fresh 579 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: and year in Mississippi State, maybe he's just not that good. 580 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: Did you? Did you ever think he just he just 581 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: ain't good enough? No? I never thought he wasn't good enough. Never, never, never. 582 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: I thought he was playing under his ability though, Uh, 583 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: I think I think if this is his ability, I 584 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: thought he performed under under that. Uh, you know the 585 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: vast majority of our season, uh, this year, and I 586 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: don't know why, just just trying to fit in or 587 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: or or deferring or not wanting to screw up. But 588 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: but in the last three weeks or so, I mean 589 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: he's become you know, arguably as good a guard as 590 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: there is in the country. I mean, he's been on 591 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: he's played at a really high level and be an 592 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: m v P of our conference tournament and probably as 593 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: good a players there was in Wichita, and and the 594 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: most outstanding player in Omaha. You know, he's been on 595 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: a great, great role and and and we've needed, you know, 596 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: because Davante he has played well, but he hadn't made 597 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: shots yet. So so uh, hopefully when we get those 598 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: two clicking and and uh with spe and la Gerald, uh, 599 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully making shots, you know, we'll be much 600 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: harder to guard. But but I think Malik has been terrific. 601 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: I think it's been just as a as a friend 602 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: and a fan. It's been a remarkable year. I mean 603 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: to go through what you went through with the roster 604 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: changes mid season to add Silvio, you know, mid season, 605 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: like who does that? Right? I mean, who does that? 606 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: And and yet you win the league, you win the tournament, 607 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: you win the league tournament, you win too in which 608 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: time and win too? Hard? Thought ones in in Nebraska, like, 609 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: this hasn't been an incredible incredible year. I know you 610 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: wanted in San Antonio last time. Is it fair to 611 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: say this might be a more remarkable year? Uh? You 612 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: know what the team in San Antonio and o A was. 613 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean that that was the year, you remember, Doug, 614 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: that all four number one seeds made it. I mean 615 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: there were there were real pros. I mean, uh, uh 616 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: you know playing you know when you got you know, 617 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: of course Rose and all that crew with Memphis and 618 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: you got uh you know, Kevin Love and all those guys, 619 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: uh Comblie Westbrook at you still a and and you 620 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: know Ty Lawson, Handsbro and Allington and Danny Green or whoever. 621 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there were some real guys in that plus 622 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: our guys. Uh so, but we but we were one 623 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: of the best four teams in the country all year 624 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: long that year. This year, we haven't been this this year. 625 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: We've been hit and miss and we had We've been 626 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: uh pretty soft at times, and certainly you know, the 627 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: things that we kind of take great pride in here, 628 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: we haven't been great at Our first shot defense was 629 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: the average, and we rebounded it poorly for the vast 630 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: majority of the season. But we kind of got it 631 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: turned a little bit and then you know how we 632 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: won the game the other day was basically, you know, 633 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: went in the bow of the boards by fifteen, and 634 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: so I was I was really pleased to see that. 635 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: And you know, the whole thing with me is in 636 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: with both coaches, I think, you know, you're not gonna 637 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: play well all time. You gotta make sure other teams 638 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: play bad, and and we haven't done that consistently. And 639 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying we did that against do because they 640 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: played well and had a good game. It was just 641 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: we were just getting better in those intangible areas. You know. 642 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting you're gonna match up with Villanova, very physical team, 643 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: obviously physical, I mean unbelievably physical, and somehow they don't 644 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: get called for fouls at thirty eighth and fouls in 645 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: college basketball. But you're gonna play them essentially playing four guards, 646 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: which something that many would say they popularized, like there's 647 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: an irony to your fore guard attack going against Villanova 648 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: to win, to play for national championship. Well, I think 649 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, Villanova can play five guards to uh you know, 650 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: when when whenever whenever, uh you know, Spellman comes out 651 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: of the game and they're playing Pascal at the five, 652 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a you know, even though 653 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's probably a three in nature. I mean, 654 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: there's a true position. But but that that that's hard, hard, 655 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: hard to guard. And and and then there're five man 656 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: as you know, maybe the best percenty three points shoot 657 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: right now. Uh so so that they're a hard team 658 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: to guard. Uh I read today there's seven threes away 659 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: from being the having the most three has made in 660 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: a season in the history college ball. So so, and 661 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: even though that one only goes back thirty years, that's 662 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: that's still a remarkable statu because you think it'd be 663 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: some running gun team that averaged a hundred a game 664 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: that would do that. So they're they're good and and 665 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: and they're they're average and eight six a game, but 666 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: they may even be better defensively than they are offensively, 667 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: and and certainly they're as well coached as anybody in 668 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: the country. So so we know we've got our hands full, 669 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: but but we're so looking forward to it. Are you 670 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: do you remember the last time? Are you are there 671 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,239 Speaker 1: any stare um? Are there any things that you're going 672 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: to emulate that you did last time? Uh? Last time 673 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: we played Villanova, last time that you're at the final 674 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: floor in San Antonio and you want it? Uh? Uh No, 675 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I mean, you know, 676 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: it's it's uh we may bring something up uh with 677 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: our guys, or you know, may call something out, but 678 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: but I don't think so. This is this is a 679 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: this is the first time obviously for this group going 680 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: and and very few of us were actually a part 681 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: of this. I guess myself and towns and and and 682 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: and the trainers you know, and the strength coach and 683 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: that's about it. So so this is gonna be totally new. 684 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: But but I don't know if we can draw from 685 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: anything from that to help us, just because it's in 686 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: the same city. But but certainly hopefully, uh, you know, 687 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: there will be a little bit of subconscious confidence level 688 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: going in knowing we've had some success down there before. 689 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: All right, man, well listen, we know, uh we know 690 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: Lilie's him out of bounds plays, the alley oops, especially 691 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: if they go to a zone that's like that's a staple, 692 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: and uh we we know we'll have you challenging your 693 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: team to not be soft in the sideline. Thanks Doug. 694 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: I would continue here on the All Ball Podcast UM 695 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: with a special guest. He has his own digital digital show, 696 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: and of course he's a college basketball guru. He's the 697 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: University of Detroits all time leading scori scored two thousand, 698 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: three d and nineteen points. That's why he calls his 699 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: show two three. He's Rashad Phillips. He joins us here 700 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: on All Ball Shot. What's up, man, Hey bug? How 701 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: you doing? I'm great? You texted me as soon as 702 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: loyal and one in the Elite eight, they're gonna beat Michigan. 703 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: Why this is a This is a team that have 704 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: been They've been winning all season long. Um, and if 705 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: you look at the the n c A Tournament, it's 706 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: about matchups. Michigan is a three point shooting team. Loyola 707 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: is a team that specializes off running teams off of 708 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: the three point line. So, uh, we've witnessed Loyola do 709 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: that to a lot of teams thus far. And Michigan 710 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: is just going to have a long night trying to 711 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: get those jump shots against the team like Loyola. I 712 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: guess that the problem is how do they match up 713 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: with Wagner? Right? I mean, Wagner is the guy who 714 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: can score inside but also can stretch you out. I'm 715 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: wondering what your thoughts are on the matchup with with 716 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: with Wagner specifically. Well, I think Bogner is the X 717 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: factor here in regards to his versatility is the ability 718 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: to stretch the defense, go inside, and he's just a 719 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: high cerebral type of player. But when you're when you're Loyola, 720 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: you have to give up something. And I believe that 721 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: that unit will not try to stop Wogner, but what 722 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 1: they will do is limit the rest of the guys 723 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: around him. Phillips joining us, Look, I'll give you full credit. 724 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: You saw this littal thing coming before anybody else. What 725 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: about that person what about the personnel did you see 726 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: before anybody else? Well, what I studied is a lot 727 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: of times when we look at college basketball, we try 728 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: to find a storyline to fit these mid major teams 729 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: instead of just being completely objective and cover the name 730 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: and just look at the stats and look at the kids. 731 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: I watched them on film early on, and what you're 732 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: looking at is seven kids that won state championships in 733 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: high school. So you're looking at a team full of winners. 734 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: This unit is used to winning games. They defend well home, 735 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: they don't make a lot of mistakes. They're starting five 736 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: all shoot above. So we're looking at a high efficient, 737 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: well old machine that's been doing this for six months. 738 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Kansas taking on Villanova. I 739 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: see this matchup, and look, I do think Kansas can 740 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: stretch him out, and I think Kands can make shots 741 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: on outside of you know, running a fever and hitt 742 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of threes. I love the matchup for Villanova. 743 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's say you, yeah, I actually like the matchup. I 744 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: think Villa Nova is just the more complete team from 745 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: from top to bottom. Again, high efficiency, and I believe 746 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: point guard play will come into play here. Jalen Brunt 747 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: Brunson is tremendous. DeVante Graham has kind of figured out 748 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: how to play that point guard position, but I believe 749 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: a guy like Brunson has been brilliant to play this 750 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: position on this type of stage. I think he wins 751 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: that battle. Rashan Phillips joining us okay, so um. One 752 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: of the other things you do is you like to 753 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: forecast NBA talent on your own digital show, which, of 754 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: course you can follow Rashad on Twitter as well. Let's 755 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: start with with Trey Young. Now, you've been saying Trey 756 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: Young do Orlando Magic since I think like the first 757 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: week of the season. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm high on 758 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: Trey Young the person. I love his I love some 759 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: of the things he does. I think he's I think 760 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: it's a really hard thing for him to be drafted 761 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: that high and then you turn the reins over to him, 762 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: and I think he'll get exposed before he's ready. I 763 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: take it you disagree well to to an extent, Doug, 764 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: let me let me explain why. When you're looking at 765 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: the way the NBA has trended over the years, Um, 766 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: the dominant skilled player is the point guard position. So, UM, 767 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: when you look at Trey Young, he possesses all the 768 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: ability that you will need to enhance your your franchise. Um, 769 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: the long distance shooting, the great ball howling, the pinpoint pass, 770 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: and the ability to read and think on the fly 771 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: from the ball screen. Those are all characteristics that you 772 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: need from the point guard position. So you can take 773 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: guys like a Chris Paul or what have you, and 774 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: look at Trey Yaga. He possessed some of those same 775 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: type of abilities. I just don't think he has the 776 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: burst to get by people. And I think he's little. 777 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: I think he struggles the finish. I don't think he 778 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: guards anybody. I do think he has the passing. I 779 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: do think he can make open shots. I just think 780 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to see him getting open shots, especially he 781 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: can't guard anybody at the other end. Well defensively. I 782 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: do see that he will be a bit challenged and 783 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: and a lot has to do with his age. I mean, 784 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about a nineteen year old kid that hasn't 785 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: really done a chin up yet dub so he hasn't 786 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: really touched a weight yet. But I think over time, 787 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: um that side of the ball he'll develop. And I 788 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: think reps he has to get the repetitions with training camp, 789 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: with summer league, with some weight training. I believe over 790 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: time the defensive part will come. I think during the 791 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: year he did a lot of resting on the defensive 792 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: side of the ball, so a lot of it was 793 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: effort to me. So some of those things can be 794 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: fixed over time, and I believe Trey Young will overcome 795 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: those characteristics that we don't think he has. That's interesting 796 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: DeAndre and reminds you of Ralph Sampson. Why when you 797 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: when you look when you go back to and you 798 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: look at the take, Ralph Stampson was one of those unicorns. 799 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: He was a guy that was seven three that was 800 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: able to run the floor. He was something that we 801 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: hadn't really seen before. Over time, and when you go 802 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: to the tape and look at Deandre's tape, you're looking 803 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: at a specimen outside of a basketball player. I think 804 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayden is a specimen. His ability to run the 805 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: floor faster than anybody else, even though being the biggest 806 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: guy on the court. Um, the way he scores around 807 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: the basket just has a lot of Ralph Sampson type 808 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: of qualities. And when I was able to look at 809 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: the statistics and dig deeper, it kind of it showed 810 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: me that it was it was almost dead on their 811 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: statistics from college. Um, okay, let's let's pose this question, though, 812 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: Bagley or you can only pick one top of the draft, 813 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: who do you take. I'm gonna take Aiden. I'm gonna 814 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: take Aiden for the fact that I believe that Aidan's 815 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: a better defender. Marvin Bagley is uh, highly skilled, but 816 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: I still think that there's some things to address on 817 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and he still hasn't 818 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: picked up how to read out of the post defense 819 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: yet when you post double Marvin Bagley, he struggles out 820 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: of the post. I think Aidan's a little bit better 821 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: offensively and recognizing situations and making guys a rhyme a 822 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: little better. I think Badley just because I think Bagley, 823 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, can handle the ball. Can He's a little 824 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: bit more. He's more versatile at both ends, even if 825 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: he's not as good at anyone at anything around the 826 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: basket is as adan is. But I think it's a 827 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: it's a fascinating h It's gonna be a fascinating draft. Okay, Um, 828 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: give me a sleeper. Now, you love guys, you find 829 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: guys that other people miss on. Give me one sleeper. 830 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: The world has not heard of that that that will 831 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: be drafted, that will make the NBA. Well, that's pretty 832 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 1: easy for me. If you look at Watford, Fletcher McGee. 833 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: I believe Fletcher mgeese from Watford is the best shooting 834 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: guard in the country that nobody's talking about. We're talking 835 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: about it kid that led the country and three point 836 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: made this season at a hundred and forty eight, he's 837 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: a better three point shooter than Jimmer for Debt and 838 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: and JJ Reddick coming out of college statistically proven and 839 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: those guys were lottery takes. And this kid, Fletcher McGhee 840 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: is not even showing up on draft boards right now. 841 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: But he's six four and a half. He's a little 842 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: bigger than JJ Reddick, he has a quicker release. Um, 843 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: he's stronger. And this kid has performed against Power five 844 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: conferences thirty six against California, seven against North Carolina on TV. 845 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: He's a free throw shooter. So I think this kid 846 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: epitomizes what the NBA shooting guard is. Fletcher McGee Watford University. 847 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: I know you called that before the start of the season, 848 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: and he lived up North Carolina, and you're doing some 849 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: padding on the back, and now you're gonna do some 850 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: padding on the back when he gets raft. Of course, 851 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: he declared for the NBA draft. Shall will do this again. 852 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: I'll be on your digital show whenever you want. Appreciate 853 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: you peering on the podcast that concludes the All Ball Podcast, 854 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: a great part of the HERD podcast network. I hope 855 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: you enjoyed port demosre Bill self and uh a Man 856 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: Rashot Phillips. We'll have more for you from San Antonio upcoming. 857 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: Tell your friends don't be afraid to retweet, send this 858 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: out and say, hey, it's a good listen. Thanks for 859 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: downloading the All Ball Podcast. I'm Doug got