WEBVTT - Capítulo 215: The Memeifcation of Evil 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.360 Lok at Our Radio is a radiophonic novela, which. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.360 Is just a very extra way of saying a podcast. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:12.280 I'm fiosa fem. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.920 And I am Ma la Munos. We're podcasting through another 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.840 Trump election year. We've been podcasting through election years, a 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.600 global pandemic, civic unrest, political controversies, the Me Too movement, 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.200 the rise of TikTok, and we are still here. We're 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:27.680 not done telling stories. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.280 We're still making podcasts. We're older, we're wiser, We're even 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.360 podcasting through a new decade of our lives. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.640 Since twenty sixteen, we've been making locat our Radio independently 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.239 until we joined iHeartMedia's Michael Dura Network in twenty twenty two. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.640 From our Lips to your Ears, fall in love with 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.159 Loka to a radio like you never have before. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.640 Welcome to Season nine. Love that first. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:01:01.040 Listen, Olao la Loka Motes. Welcome to Season nine of 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.160 lok at Dora Radio. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.360 I'm the Osa and I'm Mala. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.959 Lok at Dora Radio is a podcast dedicated to archiving 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.720 our present and shifting the culture forward. You're tuning in 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.960 to Capitroro cientos Kinze two fifteen. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.840 Last Time on LOCATORA Radio, we interviewed Linda Garcia, who 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.120 is running uncontested in the upcoming November election for the 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.120 office of Texas State rep for District one oh seven. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.920 Could see that I had been doing the work, and 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.160 so the work means that I had been taking steps 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.760 to work with our community and shift current circumstances in 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.560 our community. And so for a lot of people, that 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.160 is what a public servant does. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.560 That is what she is slated to be sworn in 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.480 January twenty twenty four. It is a really juicy, informative interview, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.920 so make sure you tune in, leave a comment, subscribe, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:51.919 and share with a friend. 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.680 So how are you doing, Mala, Oh, I'm doing really well. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.120 Why are you doing really well? 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.040 For a variety of reasons, life is just to go 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.840 my way right now. I'm really like my lucky Girl 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.080 syndrome is at its peak. I think in these moments, 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.480 school is going well. There are like some fun things 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.000 happening on the personal front that I will not divulge. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.640 You know what's going on. And you know, we have 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.600 our two weekly shows and now we're like very much 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.160 underway with Senora sex Ed, which is super exciting, especially 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.400 because it's been years in the making. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.800 Yeah, we have five episodes out so far, five episodes 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.880 of a thirty episode season, and we just have been 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.440 fully in production for a while now, and so it's 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.160 really fun to be putting out the episodes finally and 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.800 also to be booking the new guest as well. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.000 And we haven't launched a brand new original show that 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.040 we are co producing and co hosting since we launched 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.000 lok at Thought our radio, So this is our first 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.280 time putting out a whole new project as look at 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.800 Thought our productions in collectoration with my podcast network. But 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.080 it's been really fascinating to me to watch the show, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.560 Senora Sex said, go from an idea to even like recording, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.600 to then seeing it take on its own identity, its 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.240 own style, its own vibe, and sort of like letting 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.480 the show reveal itself to us and each guest really 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.240 kind of bringing a different lens, a different topic, a 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.120 different angle that I don't think we can always we can. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.320 We can't always predict, you know, like what a guest 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.880 is going to bring to the show, and we and 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.680 like letting that happen and then like following the lead 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.080 of the guest has been really fun. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.840 Yeah, I agree. I think that that's what makes Senora 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.120 sex said different from Loka Tora, where we're giving the 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.960 guests the space to really tell their own story and 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.640 it's not about a specific project that they're working on 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.240 or specific moment a current moment. Really, when we talk 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.360 about Loka Tora, we're archiving the present and so very 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.640 much we're talking talking about an artist, a creative and 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.680 activist and what they're doing right now in this present 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.040 moment where a Senora sex said, we're really giving the 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.160 guests the opportunity to reflect on their upbringing, their family, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.160 anything related to sex and sexuality. And I love when 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.080 they have these moments where they're sharing something for the 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.719 first time or in real time, you can see them like, oh, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.680 I actually never thought about it that way, but now 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.760 that I'm saying it out loud to you both, I 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.160 can really see it or I can think about it 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.760 in this way. And so I think that's what makes 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.720 the show really unique and different from Look at Thota Radio. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.840 I agree, it's extremely personal, and I think in more 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:44.240 recent seasons Locator has gotten less like personal and less 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.719 putting the private out for the public. But Senora Sexad 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.000 is that space where our guests can very much do that, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.400 and it's been cool to see how our guests, like 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:58.080 Aida Rodriguez talked about feeling really safe during the interview 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.640 to go there and talk about deep issues and difficult 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:07.280 memories and maybe traumas that she hasn't talked about out 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.240 loud necessarily outside of her book. So it's just been 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.280 really cool. And our most recent episode, while at the 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.600 time of this recording, features a mother daughter pair that 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.479 I am so excited to have on the show, Lily 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.960 and Lethisia Roldan. If you tune into Senora Sex Said, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.719 you're gonna notice we have a recurring segment. It's a 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.000 house call from doctor Roldan and she's giving us her 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.520 obgyn resident physician input on some of the topics that 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.000 our guests bring up, whether it's perimenopause or masturbation, what 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:44.599 have you, or a myth busting around the hymen. The hymen, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.680 I forgot the word. We talked about it so much 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.480 that I forgot the word. But now she has her 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.240 own episode with her mom where we talk about their 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.679 own journey on Senora Sex Said, and really her journey 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.400 to becoming a gynecologist. So it's a very fun episode, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.680 very full, so make sure you go and tune in. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.800 Yeah, I love all of the episodes so far, but 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:10.279 I especially feel really connected and really like tenderhearted about 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.200 the mother daughter conversations because again, you can see in 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:20.080 real time mother daughters processing their relationship, their understanding of 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.680 sex and sexuality, not only about themselves, but also of 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.160 their mothers or their counterparts, depending who it is, and 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.159 so that has also been really beautiful to see. And 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.320 you know, we're not necessarily defining Senora sext as an archive, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.240 but when I think about like oral tradition and a 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.400 mother daughter story, I'm like, we've just archived this for 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.240 them and they can listen to it for as long 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.560 as the feed exists. And to me, that's something so 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.640 special because as we know, like as our parents' age, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.400 there's all these stories you want to capture. And I 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.880 really feel like for the mother daughter episodes, it really 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.800 is that time capsule because it's not just present day 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.840 how we're processing, but it's looking back on their childhoods, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.400 looking into the future if they want to become mothers themselves, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.599 and having those dialogues with their mother. And so I 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.880 think that that's something really special about the show. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.880 It's super special. And when have we seen these types 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.640 of mother daughter conversations in one place. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:20.040 In a Latino Latina LATINX context. Yeah, talking about sex 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.960 and sexuality. And we'll have guests that are like, I 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.280 want to do it, but my mom isn't down. And 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.400 of course we're not going to force the sangnona. You know, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.800 we're not going to even our own moms. Like when 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.880 we were starting the show, like they had said yes 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.960 and they were down, and then as like it came 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.400 down to interviewing, there was a little more hesitancy, and 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.040 so we haven't actually booked them yet. I'm still hoping 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.040 that my mom will listen to one of the mother 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.840 daughter episodes and understand the vibe and the goal of 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.440 the show and not feel too shy about it. But yeah, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.840 we're not going to force anyone, but I do hope 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.360 that I can get her on eventually. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.640 Yeah, we the jury still out on our moms, but 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.840 we are grateful to our guests and their moms for 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.760 being so open and vulnerable. And we took it a 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.760 step further. We went with Victory House to the Santa 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.320 Fe Spring Swap Meat and Live and in person and 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.120 on camera. We just approached random women, mothers and daughters, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.960 and we asked them if we could give them like 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.160 a brief interview about how they learned about sex and sexuality. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.960 And we interviewed some really great women who were funny, 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.080 who were really they just wanted to talk about it. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.760 They were down, and you know, it's not every day 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.040 that someone approaches you at the swap meet to ask, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.559 you know, how did you learn about sex? But totally 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.200 and some were not down. Some were like absolutely not, no, 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.480 thank you. And some who were there with like boyfriends 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.800 or male partners. I think we're shy, which is fine, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.960 but go to our instagram and check out that clip 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.200 from the Santa Fe Springs swap meat. It was really fun. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.840 Yeah, and I think they're I don't know if this 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:03.320 is a generalization, but I think so far what we've seen, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.920 it's either your super down to talk about sex and 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.320 sexuality and sex ed or you're not. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:09.200 Yeah. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.839 I don't know if we've found that in between, because 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.560 I think to be in that in between, you're gonna 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.280 you're still gonna you're gonna go to one side or 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.400 the other. You're gonna go more towards no or more 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.040 towards yes. So it's it has been really fun to 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.160 talk to the women, the signos especially that are like yes, 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.000 I want to talk about this because no one's ever 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.320 talked to me about it before. It's fun subscribe leave 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.400 a review for that. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.240 Show as well. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.360 It's a brand new feed, so we're growing the audience. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.120 We have one review so far and it's a very 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.240 sweet review. So if you want to contribute, we would 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.199 love that so so much. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.839 On Apple podcasts and on Spotify. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.600 Yes, all streaming platforms, but especially the Apple pod and 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.440 the Spotify. If you can leave five stars, if you 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.960 can leave a review, that would be greatly appreciated. Don't 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.200 go anywhere, Lokamotives. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:10.040 We'll be right back and we're back with more of 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:10.880 our episode. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.360 So today, aside from our general check in and talking 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:19.920 about our new show, Total Mood Shift, it's election season. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.480 Yes, it is again again. It's always election season. It 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:24.040 feels like. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:28.640 Every well, every presidential election. Obviously we've covered it because 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.280 we've been in existence for eight years, nine seasons, but 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.640 local elections we cover two. But we're seeing like it's 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.880 not even Trump two point zero. It's like Trump three 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.920 point oh, because this is his third time running wild, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.120 which like, I'm an abolitionist until it comes to these 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:46.680 shitty men. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:51.520 Yeah under the jail, Yeah, I'm like please. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:56.400 Today we're talking about the presidential election, but more specifically 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.080 the recent live debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.480 that took place on September tenth. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.480 So if you guys tuned in, then you probably saw that, 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:12.080 among other things, donald Trump started talking about Haitian immigrants 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:18.240 in Springfield, quote eating dogs, eating cats, eating the pets 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.960 of the people that live there in Springfield. So, of course, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.679 when something like this happens, donald Trump gives us a inflamed, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:33.840 ridiculous racist SoundBite, the internet goes wild, right, it gets 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.400 picked up and it's spread like wildfire. And we see 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.600 a quote like that not only covered in the news 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.640 and not only dissected by commentators, but we see what 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.360 we're calling the memification of a statement like that, right, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.319 people making tiktoks. It's becoming a sound it's becoming its 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.400 own meme. We want to sort of talk about all 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.040 the implications of that and analyze that that process. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.920 Before we go into our own analysi of what it 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.319 means when someone like Trump becomes a meme. Also want 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.319 to just set the stage as to what has been 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.960 going on the past week. So during the during the debate, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.480 it was moderated by two journalists, Lindsay Davis and David Muir, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.400 and they were fact checking in real time, which I 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.640 really appreciated because a lot of people won't go back 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.920 and check and fact check afterwards. There are fact checking, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.520 there is fact checking that happens by certain outlets after 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.800 the fact, but I think it being live was super 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.600 important and really critical. And as they were fact checking 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.720 this claim that Trump made about quote Haitian immigrants eating pets, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.800 David Muir fact checked in real time and said, there 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.320 are actually no reports. The city commissioner has said there 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:56.160 are no reports of immigrants or anyone eating pets, eating cats, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.640 eating dogs, and really challenged that narrative that he was stating, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.880 and so essentially it was baseless, right, But of course 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.040 he ran with it, and the Republican Party ran with it, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.800 or members of the Republican Party ran with it, And 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:15.000 since then there have been real life implications as to 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.160 the statements that he made. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.360 And of course, you know, Donald Trump comes from a 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.840 reality TV background, I think a big part of his 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.840 staying power at this point has been his sort of 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:33.160 ability to capture a public media moment and give his 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.560 folks a SoundBite and something that can be clipped and 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.440 quoted and shared and memified, and in essence he launches 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.320 into this well, and we're talking about this episode as 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.520 the memification of evil, right, and where he takes something 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.280 super diabolical and the general public turns it into content 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.800 on the Internet that can be recreated and shared. We 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.439 don't always know the intent of that person, but we 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.640 can guaranty that there's a lot of them who want 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.840 to propagate that stereotypical racist statement, who want it to 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.800 spread and want it to be believed. So probably folks 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.400 will act on it, whether that's in the way that 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.880 they vote or in the way that they're interacting with 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.600 the community that's being targeted, which in this case is 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.200 the Haitian community. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.960 Yeah, and I think because we have been online for 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.880 so long, right, depending on your age, but also so 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.560 much of how we consume news now, so much of 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.320 how we consume anything is online, whether that be through 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.320 a digital publication or a legacy outlet. That everybody is 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.240 online at this point, and so I think that memes 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.560 have become or have felt, very innocent in some way, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.840 like it's a joke, it's not that serious. There's some 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.640 hilarious memes out there about tons of different things, right, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.680 And I think what we're more so thinking about is 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.640 how we sanitize what someone says, when we turn it 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.160 into a meme, how we make it less threatening when 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.720 it becomes a joke. And I think there's that fine 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.800 line of like, this is so ridiculous, How can anyone 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.200 believe this? This is so ridiculous? How is this not funny? 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.120 But there's real implications, as we've seen in the past 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.520 eight years of what it means when someone like Donald 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.200 Trump is platformed, even in a way where it's quote 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.040 a joke, it's supposed to be funny, or we're poking 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.480 fun at what he said, there's actual real life implications. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:34.040 Absolutely, there's real life implications. I mean, number one, it's 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:39.160 not just him alone making the statement anymore. At the 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.120 debate now it's like all these individuals with their own 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.960 feeds and their own audiences and their own platforms of 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.040 varying sizes, spreading and giving new life to the statements 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.440 and making sure they get out there, and so we're 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.800 going to talk about just kind of like different instances 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.400 where things like this have happened in the past, whether 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:04.280 we're talking about about cartoonists and racist propaganda against Jewish 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:09.280 people in Nazi Germany, right, Like, the arts can be 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:13.760 implicated in the spread of propaganda, you know, and things 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:18.880 like memes and cartoons and jokes and sketches and TV 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:23.080 shows can be used for things that are beyond like 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.560 a laugh or a he he haha. They can be 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.560 used to propagate evil. And so that's sort of what 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.240 we want to talk about today as we analyze this 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:32.479 most recent occurrence. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.240 I think what Trump one of the things that Trump 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.680 is really quote good at, is creating this like racist 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.480 dog whistling and picking a certain community to attack. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:42.800 Right. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.240 He did that back in twenty sixteen with Mexican immigrant communities. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.680 He's done that with Api folks, He's done that with Muslims. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.000 Now he's doing that with Haitians. And so it's really 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.880 easy for him to pick a group and just makeup 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.040 shit about them and people and his bass runs with it, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.040 and he knows that. And so I think there's a 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.320 part of us that maybe wants there's a part of 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.240 us that can discern like, this is not real, this 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.359 is baseless, this is a lie, this is wrong. But 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.320 then I think you might have said this Mala already, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.040 or maybe you just said it to me earlier. But 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.880 it's like, don't he doesn't really need to spread anything 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.680 beyond that one statement, because it's not just his party 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:33.520 running with it. It's even us like liberals, progressives, Democrats, 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.760 however you may identify turning it into a joke itself, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.720 like we're doing the legwork for him, and it's staying 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.560 in the ether. It's staying in the zeitgeist because it's 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.560 still two weeks later practically, and people are still talking 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.600 about it, and it's and it's still a quote joke. Right. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.360 There are TikTok. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.080 Dances, there are songs created. My mom was showing me 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.600 a TikTok video of a creator that made this song 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.920 using the SoundBite from Trump, and for all of the 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.480 money he made from streams or views, he was donating 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.919 it to like an animal organization. So I'm like, okay, 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:16.000 a little bit of like some altruism, but the cats 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.640 and dogs aren't actually being affected. Who's being affected? Are 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:23.119 the Haitian immigrants and the Haitian community in Springfield, Ohio. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:29.440 Yeah, it's was that creator, like a white creator doing 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.600 like an ironic, like indie pop cover of the hate 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.000 speech something like that, Yes, and that sort of And 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.440 it's like the intention behind the creator is one thing, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.080 and the irony that you sort of gloss on top 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.639 of the hate speech is sort of like, Uh, I 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.240 don't think it's enough. It's not enough to separate what 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.919 you've made from the original statement, from the original moment 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.679 of hate speech and the intention behind why those words 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.639 were shared during the debate, you know. And I think, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:09.840 like with with a situation like that, it's so you're right, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.560 for whose benefit? Why did you make this? Like who's 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:14.439 benefiting from this? 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:15.000 Right? 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.840 Who's benefiting from this? It's the dogs and the cats, 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:23.720 right like, and that creator probably because that song probably 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:28.840 got that person like lots of views and traction and engagement. Yeah, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.000 And so ultimately it's like this community is being put 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.560 at the center of this nasty firestorm, but at least 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.120 you got to make like a little ironic indie pop 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.640 song about it and get a million views or whatever. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.600 It's Eh, it's like the ethics of the creator economy 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.720 in that way where like not everything needs to be 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.240 content and not everything should be content, and it's not 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.280 to target that specific person, it's just in general, right, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.919 like some things shouldn't be turned into content. And I 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.720 think what we haven't learned earned thus far and we 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.720 as a culture, is that bad people need to be ignored, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.679 like when they say outrageous things, like we have to 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.560 ignore them instead of platforming them. And because someone like 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.760 Trump is so quote good for business, like he's going 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.119 to be all over the news outlets and that's what 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.080 he wants, and he the memes are going to be 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.560 made and that's what he wants. And so someone like that, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.560 Like if we could go back in time and we 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.040 ignored this person as opposed to giving them the platform 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.800 that they needed. Of course it's not that simple, but 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.200 what would it have looked like if the major news 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.120 outlets back in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, we're not giving 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.760 him this news time or the screen time that he got. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.800 And what if we were actually talking about like, oh, 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.480 this person is not qualified and they're a bad person 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.600 and they're saying bad things, so we're going to ignore 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.719 them instead. Because I think what we did was we 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.960 made it like something to look at. It was a 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.840 spectacle because it was so outrageous, and at that time, 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.200 post Obama, like nobody was speaking that way publicly anymore. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.280 And so it became like, oh, Trump is making it 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.760 okay to talk like that again. So we're gonna bring 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.480 it back. Stick around for more. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:24.800 We'll be right back. We're back with more. We hope 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.480 you didn't go anywhere. I think his voter base and 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:33.399 his supporters are already primed to accept statements like this 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.639 as fact. It's not like these are folks who have 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:43.760 never bought into this type of propaganda before. From NPR, 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.760 there's this article about the stereotype of immigrants eating dogs 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.120 and cats as being a storied one. I remember being 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.119 young in California and seeing like weird stories on the 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.160 news about Chinese restaurants and like dogs and cats, you know, 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.879 being served Chinese restaurants. And so it's this ongoing racist 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:09.720 stereotype that immigrant groups in particular eat pets and eat 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.639 dogs and cats, and it's this sort of way to 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:16.879 a make immigrant communities look scary, look threatening. They're going 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:22.440 to come after your beloved pets, your animals. And also 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.359 this way of making immigrant communities look non human and 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.560 like bottom feeders. Right, yeah, and so what's happening here 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.880 is this is a group of people who probably believed 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:38.000 the Chinese people eating animals stuff when that came out. 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.720 So we're just switching out one immigrant group for another. 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.359 But that general idea is sort of already embedded in 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:49.399 the minds of like a racist American audience. Absolutely, you know, 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:51.840 it's just like plug and play. And I think that 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.760 he knows that, or his team knows that, or maybe 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:58.119 I'm giving him too much credit. But it's just so 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.320 easy to ignite that, you know. It just takes the 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.160 one statement and they're running with it. 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:07.240 This NPR article that you mentioned, but written by Jasmine Garst, 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:12.560